This is the Masterclass we have all been waiting for, thanks Zeek for this tutorial, the RAW footage and the link to film grain downloads, this is truly the ARRI film look everybody is trying to achieve and you have shown us how, love the EOSM and what it can achieve
Zeek! Is there a way to get super 16 look on eos m50 without ML? Without tweaking much in post? Perhaps with some lenses? Or say with any other cheap dslr/dslm camera with some lens combination? Someone who cant handle ML workflow?
The pink highlights are just halation, you'll get a much better look for that using something like Film Convert. Brady Besette made a great tutorial on that, which could elevate your work flow I think.
This is great! It’s a bit spendy, but you might want to try out Dehancer Pro if you’re in Resolve. I’ve been chasing film emulation for quite a long time now, and Dehancer is the closest I’ve found in comparison to the few times I’ve filmed real Super-8 and 16mm. Dehancer’s print film emulation, printer lites, and halation are amazing, and definitely a lot better than what’s included in Resolve. Even if you don’t use their tools, take a look at their videos, they really break down the various elements that make film unique from digital.
I bought dehancer last week, and although it was a hit to the bank account its absolutely Incredible. I have been able to pull some gorgeous looks without too much work. It also makes matching my bmpcc6k pro and my canon r6 a lot easier as I just apply the same look and change the input camera! A great investment for many filmmakers.
Hey Zeek. I'm pretty sure I'm about to buy an EOS M as a warm up to me seeing if I have what it takes a film maker. My issue so far is I'm yet to see anyone who is able to record video for longer than 30 mins which would really hinder and kind of podcasting and especially any shoot productivity i.e hiring 2 actors for a day to shoot scenes but only having 30 mins to work with. Have you found a work around for this issue and if not could you suggest a budget cam that meets the same/similar quality but will record for longer periods? Also, your fb and IG are dead links in case you were not aware. I intended to hit you up on there but this seems to be the only option. Thanks mate !
You can record way beyond 30 mins with Zeek's settings just by providing external battery via a dummy battery adaptor. Check Zeek's previous video on this.
Thanks Zeek, good to see you always supporting Magiclantern and the EOS M. I really hope, that one day we will see it on M50 and/or EOS R cameras. My data managment with the EOS M is the following: Keep the MLVs (20TB RAID & Longterm store them on affordable LTO-5 Tape). For the active project, I convert everything to CineDNG Uncompressed, because its the fastest conversion and easiest grade. Once project/grading is finished and exported: I delete the CineDNGs. Reason for this workflow: maybe in the future the Magiclantern guys will come up with even better ways to deal with the RAW Data of the MLVs, who knows. By keeping the MLVs I would be ready for any improovements:)
I'd like to see a video of what the footage looks like in 16:9 1080p 30fps with no tricks (other than using Magic Lantern to disable time limits and get that resolution)... no massive RAW files... just the mov or mp4 file straight from the camera SD card dropped into my video editor. No color grading because I never do that. Because that's how I'm going to be shooting and where the settings are going to stay forever once I get them right. Can you please make a video for people who will actually be using it as a YT camera? I don't care about an old skool film look, that's fine if you're making a film... but I'm not, I can't get my videos into a movie theatre at all ever. I mean who the freak can any more if ever. I'm making nothing but YT videos...
I love your content dude, that opening footage is absolutely amazing! Running an M50 and very new to video after years of photography and desperate to learn.. ever run a gimbal atall? You must have steady hands if only rigged!
Great to hear! All hand-held except for the bird shot grooming itself. I put the camera on top of a rock. The hand-held footage were mostly stabilised in FCPX.
Yep. In Davinci, if you shoot Slog 2/3, enable Color Space transformation. I shot the talking parts of this video with two of my Sony ZV-E10'S Slog 3. DaVinci is great for grading.
Dear Zeek Please explain = 2208 x 1080 resize to 4k 4096 x 2048 after in Davinchi = 3840 x 2160...???? I really don't understand all those Resizing! Please explain. If you want to get 2.2 k to 4k as I understood you need to make = 2208 x 1080 multiply by 2??? And will be just = 4416 x 2160???
till now I don't have clear understanding how to interpret video in Davinci correctly. I mean...we need to make correct setting during working with RAW video - 1) Color Space in project settings 2) Node - Color Space Transform 3) CAMERA RAW - chose correct space . Are there are not too much SPACE settings???? So...What is actually the step by step movement to only start working with RAW files in Davinchi resolve? All bloggers in you tube are making it by different way, what is correct? For Canon M Raw Video (Cinema DNG uncompressed or Apple ProRes 4444) = 1) In project settings in section Color Space - What should we put? 2) Should we use Node - Color Space Transform? If Yes - why? This is only for Log video as I understood and not for RAW? Or not? Because some people use it with RAW video. Why?? 3) Camera RAW - this is what we need to use all the time. But what is the best for Canon M Raw Video (Cinema DNG uncompressed or Apple ProRes 4444)??? I am verry sorry, really but this questions are not going out from my head and till now I don't understand the right process. Really than you very much if somebody can give me the light on this three things (
Thanks Zeek for another great video. This one of my favourite channels for film making, and has been the most helpful. I love that you help budget filmmakers get great results without spending a fortune. And as a new eos m user I don’t think I could have figured it all out with you. Can I please suggest a video that goes into the different Magic lantern shooting modes in more depth. I know you have already gone over the modes you use, but I’m interested seeing some examples of the other modes you avoid, and why you avoid them, and more explanation about resolution especially with the 5k anamorphic, how it converts to the true resolution when de squeezed. If that all makes sense. Your run through the menu and explications have been helpful, but I would like to see more visual examples of the concepts you explain about different modes. Another topic I would be interested in is an in depth look at the difference between 10 bit, 12 bit and 14 bit. Especially when grading. know there’s a lot there, but they’re just suggestions, if you like, if that gives you some more ideas when making new content. Cheers.
I'm not sure if you've seen this video, but this one is pretty in depth and goes through all the different modes: ua-cam.com/video/MiUaR0FfUXQ/v-deo.html&ab_channel=Zeek. As for 10/12/14 Bit, there is barely any difference apart from low light performance. 14 Bit has seemed slightly cleaner than the rest. But if you shoot with those three bit depths, then you will barely notice a difference.
Hi Zeek it was your videos about the EOS M that made be get one and instal ML on it, However, I tried to power it with a portable light Newer control unit, through dummy battery set up, there was an orange flashing for a moment then went dead, and now it won't power up. Does anyone know what do you think it might be? Cheers
Haven't checked everything and I am waiting for my camera to arrive, but do you set any color profile in the camera? Or is it always just one color profile in the camera? In another camera I could add a log profile in the camera that was very neutral
Thank you so much for your footage and awesome how to. I downloaded your files and tried both Alexa Log-C but found the S-log 3 gave me clearer and better results. I uploaded a video on my channel. Let me know your thoughts.
Glad you had a play with the footage! I've used S-Log 3 in the past before, they're both good. For skin tones, Alexa LOG C looks more natural to me, but for landscapes and nature, either should be fine! 😎👌🎥🔥
@@ZeekEOSZ I have been on fence to getting this camera, though. I found one here for just $70 and thinking of getting one with a PK-mount to EOSM dummy adapter. Because I have a lot of pentax mount lenses (28mm f2.5, 28mm f3.5, 50mm f1.4, 100mm f4 macro, 200mm f4) I mainly shoot with a FUJIFILM X-H1 in 4k, but I'm wondering what the difference is between 8 bit 4k vs 10 - 14 bit 1080p? Could you share some light on this topic? I care about sharpness, CA, noise and color artifacts. I haven't really had any problem with my X-H1 with those problems... Actually my only complain is that is too sharp! LOL
I have free .MLV RAW clips from the EOS M and 2.2K RAW in the description. CA will depend on the lens. The EOS M is from 2012, so expect some noise with bad exposure or night situations (can be cleaned in post). You will be able to push the colours better with EOS M RAW than Fujifilm. 14 bit has more colours than 8 bit. I shoot with the ZV-E10 and I can get a very good 8 bit out of it. It's actually what I used to shoot this video. EOS M RAW for me is organic. It won't be a workhorse camera, more like an 80's/90's film vibe hobbyist type of camera.
Hey Zeke I’m having issues trying to connect monitors or hdmi evf to the m. I’ve tried different cables/monitors etc. I’m getting the right side of the screen filled with limes and flickering. Any advice?
Nice colours, its impressive what this little camera can do with ML. One question, why did you go to Log and the delogged it? The DR is not increased since it wasnt recorded in Log, am I missing something?
It wasn't recorded in Log. It was recorded with .MLV RAW. In post you can transcode it to Slog3, Arri Log C, Rec 709 etc.. This video is about the ARRI workflow. I exported ARRI Log C as it has the Arri curve, hence the video title. But for maximum DR, I would export as DNG and grade in Davinci as also shown in the video.
@@ZeekEOSZ There is also a special version of MLV for the ARM M1 chip, I have tried definitely faster and of course ARM M1 on the Davinci is excellent, software have developed so quickly making for a much faster workflow overall and the EOSM a pleasure to use
New to the channel. Truly amazing content. I was looking at a Black Magic Pocket 4K or 6K Pro but after watching your content have ordered a used USED Canon EOS M + 18-55mm. I have a question about the Rollei HFT Zeiss Planar 1.8/50mm. It has a QBM mount. What adapter are you using?
I sadly sold my Pocket 6K, not that it’s bad, just from a lack of use. It’s a great cam! The adapter I used was QBM To EF and then attached to the EF To EOS M Speedbooster.
Hey Zeek. In a future video can you list all the c mount lenses that you know will work with the fotodiox c to Eos m adapter? I’m specifically looking for those lenses that render color the way the science existed at the time. The 16mm film lenses seem to have the widest flat angels for cheap. I’m also looking for a way to adapt them to my z-cam ef mount but I’m afraid the flange distance are just to great, can’t find a way to get them close to the sensor and I’m no engineer.
The Elgeet ones are quite something, also Kern Paillard. I've seen the most organic look from these lens names. As for EF Mount, it's troublesome. I too wish I could adapt them to my Pocket 6K EF.
Hey man thanks for the video! Is there a limit to how long you can shoot in raw on the EOS M? I heard some cameras can only shoot in raw for 10 seconds.
2.3K and under as a general rule of thumb is continuous raw, above is anywhere from 8 seconds 2.8k 2.35:1, or 2.5k 16:9 or more with 2.5k and 2.35:1/2.39:1
zeek, I love what you're able to do but I'm never able to replicate. The crop kills me. Especially in Manhattan where I don't have the luxury of space. ha! Can you do a video on your physical setup? How far are you away from your subjects when shooting? Would you ever do a scene with dialogue or only use the EOS-M for broll? Thanks!
Zeek do you know what bitrate ML is able to achieve on the EOS M ? I guess it probably depends on the mode and color depth selected, but I just wish I had a general idea of what the numbers are. And maybe also the color sampling (4.2.0. / 4.2.2.) ? Thanks.
With ML, it's RAW, there is no subsampling. RAW this peak. In post you can transcoded to ProRes 422 10 bit, or 4444 or h.264 8 bit etc... The bitrate is 58/60MB/s
Hi Zeek, so the workflow is converting from raw (that already look like rec709) to log-c, then in resolve convert back again to rec709? so whats the point? i still dont understand. can we just put the clip from the magic lantern straight to davinci? (more disk space) Also, when you open the mlv app, it already have the delivery rec709 look. When you open resolve from the log-c, its highlight also clipped, even tho in log-c. Please help me understand this
Thanks Zeek, I have a question, What's the point/interest of doing log when you have raw ? I mean with raw you have all latitude to do anything more than log no ? Would you mind make a tuto to have alexa film look from eos M/5d mark II raw ? Thanks for your works
It depends. My main workflow is grading DNG as shown later in the vid. But the reason to export as ProRes is smaller file size compared to DNG or using the Alexa LOG Curve as a preference for grading. The 5D2/3 should have the exact same process.
Just wondering, If I use M10, and adapter to EF lenses, like 50mm , or something similar, - does it compatible , and / or make any differences in results . Thank you for the knowledge of magic lantern
Hi Zeek! Could you please explain to me is this actually filmed on Canon EOS M camera which was released back in 2012 or 15??? If yes could you please tell me exact model name I'm having a hard time finding those
Zeek hasn't posted on UA-cam for many months. Yes, it is the EOS M that was released in 2012 (with the Magic Lantern software), and there are plenty of places to buy one online, such as Ebay, MPB, or Adorama, etc. 🙏🏾
Hi, since you have invested so mutch time with this camera and your work flow, lm wondering, dos the dynamic range of the sensor actually get better with ML in 10-12-14 bit raw then the standered codec. The reason lm asking is becomes the eos m sensor is nothing special to begin with. I just want to make a comparison, so take a old nokia phone for example and get raw out of it. Is the actual video resolt going to be worth all the effort? Becomes there are plenty of videos showcaseing this camera with the claims of amazing resolts. I'm just trying to understand if this camera is actually this great or are the owners of this camera and ML just extatic becomes it is very inexpensive, and that there has bin a major effort by ML to convert a plane camera in to a raw capable camera. Thank you for your passion.
Zeek hasn't posted here for many months. The footage speaks for itself, obviously. You might want to get your eyes checked. 😅These aren't just claims. *There are tons of EOS M videos that show that this camera can produce amazing footage with the Magic Lantern firmware and the creativity of the user.* You can get up to 13 stops of dynamic range when using dual ISO in the new Crop Mood build of Magic Lantern. No camera in itself is "great," however. *It is how the camera is used that is most important.*
This is a powerful video! Thanks man! Also has there been any major changes to the fireware? Maybe and updated insilation and overview video would be handy. ALSO, i noticed that what i pulled the footage off my card and cleared it, magic lantern on the camera kept telling me that is was all still there and i could even see the playbacks. Is this a known issue or was i pulling the footage off of my camera incorrectly. because it takes such a long time to manually go through each clip and delete it while using the camera.
Your footage looks so good, you are a really good photographer and colorist! ive been watching some other videos on youtube with the eos m and they often have a lot of noise but your video look so clean! Do you use the Davinchi resolve noise reduction? Or does noise on the eos m come from bad exposure or an old version of magic lantern?
Thanks Zeek for all the great resources you share on the EOS M raw. I’m just wondering why do you prefer to output cDNG (or ProRes) files from the MLV app than using MLVFS? Thanks!
@@ZeekEOSZ Yes that’s what you get with the MLVFS workflow, DNGs without exporting them. It’s like mounting the MLV files, no exporting time it takes seconds. That’s why I’m wondering why you prefer to export DNGs through the MLV app.
Depends how serious. I know people who have used it for weddings and client shoots. It depends on the demand of the client. If you haven't had much experience with the camera, I'd say no. There is aliasing in 1080 mode, and is reduced with the higher resolutions. Max resolutions like 2.5K/2.8K are continuous RAW unless you reduce the resolution to about 2.4/2.3K RAW.
I love the shots im not sure if its youtube compression but I am not fond of the sharpening I am seeing in the examples do you have the files that we can download and see without compression?
Just fantastic Zeek, You are truly amazing. If I work with Aces I always use three nodes, the input, grading node (middle) and the last one the output. In that way you have the benefits of Aces grading.Then when I use the offset wheel the exposure is graduated. Second when I work with Arri, I use the DNG in Davinci Resolve with CST. Then I feel I have more control over the still Raw footage. But I gonna give your method a try to see the results. Because your footage looks amazing. Any how, I do enjoy your tutorials and the great colors you create. Cheers Richard
Cheers Richard! 🙌 DNG is always the best to work with! ARRI log C just has a nice curve when grading it. I'll test the three nodes and see how they go! 😎👍🍻
@@ZeekEOSZ Here this method I use. At 9.14 min. he's explaining the setting. But his whole explanation you understand what I mean by graduated. ua-cam.com/video/GZ90OZlUTSg/v-deo.html cheers Zeek
@@NirnBootMod I remember Film Riot having pretty good 4K Film Grain in their LUT Packs. Honestly though, if your uploading to UA-cam, these film grains can become more compressed. If you're going to pay a good price, then I'd look at online video samples and see how they have turned out.
Thank you so much for your content Zeek, it is giving me the courage to think that is possible. I will do my first short movie this summer following your advices. I was searching for so long how to do a vintage picture and an unexpensive camera to start with. Again thank you for the knowledge. I just suscribed, have a nice day!
This is the Masterclass we have all been waiting for, thanks Zeek for this tutorial, the RAW footage and the link to film grain downloads, this is truly the ARRI film look everybody is trying to achieve and you have shown us how, love the EOSM and what it can achieve
Appreciate it! 😎🙌💯
After 2 years of watching color grading and cinematic videos, I finally found you, The Grand Master. Instant Subscribed!
Zeek! Is there a way to get super 16 look on eos m50 without ML? Without tweaking much in post? Perhaps with some lenses? Or say with any other cheap dslr/dslm camera with some lens combination? Someone who cant handle ML workflow?
The pink highlights are just halation, you'll get a much better look for that using something like Film Convert. Brady Besette made a great tutorial on that, which could elevate your work flow I think.
I like the DIY way of grading and not buying extra stuff :)
in seconds 00:47 to 00:50 you can notice a meteorite falling
This is great! It’s a bit spendy, but you might want to try out Dehancer Pro if you’re in Resolve. I’ve been chasing film emulation for quite a long time now, and Dehancer is the closest I’ve found in comparison to the few times I’ve filmed real Super-8 and 16mm. Dehancer’s print film emulation, printer lites, and halation are amazing, and definitely a lot better than what’s included in Resolve.
Even if you don’t use their tools, take a look at their videos, they really break down the various elements that make film unique from digital.
I've seen these, and you're right, they can produce a nice look! I'll have a deeper look and see what happens from there 😎👍🍻
I bought dehancer last week, and although it was a hit to the bank account its absolutely Incredible.
I have been able to pull some gorgeous looks without too much work. It also makes matching my bmpcc6k pro and my canon r6 a lot easier as I just apply the same look and change the input camera!
A great investment for many filmmakers.
@@josephsavage1540 cheers for sharing 😎👊🎥🔥
Hey Zeek. I'm pretty sure I'm about to buy an EOS M as a warm up to me seeing if I have what it takes a film maker. My issue so far is I'm yet to see anyone who is able to record video for longer than 30 mins which would really hinder and kind of podcasting and especially any shoot productivity i.e hiring 2 actors for a day to shoot scenes but only having 30 mins to work with. Have you found a work around for this issue and if not could you suggest a budget cam that meets the same/similar quality but will record for longer periods?
Also, your fb and IG are dead links in case you were not aware. I intended to hit you up on there but this seems to be the only option. Thanks mate !
You can record way beyond 30 mins with Zeek's settings just by providing external battery via a dummy battery adaptor. Check Zeek's previous video on this.
You are my sensei Zeek. Thank you! I am happy with my EOS M2 and Helios 44 ^_^
Awesome!
Hello, for the Best results what i choose? CinemaDNG or ProRes444 ? For color correction and grading
DNG 😎👍
Thanks Zeek, good to see you always supporting Magiclantern and the EOS M. I really hope, that one day we will see it on M50 and/or EOS R cameras. My data managment with the EOS M is the following: Keep the MLVs (20TB RAID & Longterm store them on affordable LTO-5 Tape). For the active project, I convert everything to CineDNG Uncompressed, because its the fastest conversion and easiest grade. Once project/grading is finished and exported: I delete the CineDNGs. Reason for this workflow: maybe in the future the Magiclantern guys will come up with even better ways to deal with the RAW Data of the MLVs, who knows. By keeping the MLVs I would be ready for any improovements:)
Cheers! It would be great to see ML on the M50 for sure. Hopefully we do get a breakthrough one day. DNG is the best workflow, I agree 😎👍
@@ZeekEOSZ how about sigma fp, this camera record dng file
It's pricey where I am - $1800 minimum. Close price to my pocket 6K. For the price, the EOS M is very good!
So no one's gonna talk about why there's an asteroid at 0:34?
Fascinating!!!
😆 it's a seamless edit I guess haha 👌🍻🔥
@@ZeekEOSZ Are you telling us this was not VFX?
I'd like to see a video of what the footage looks like in 16:9 1080p 30fps with no tricks (other than using Magic Lantern to disable time limits and get that resolution)... no massive RAW files... just the mov or mp4 file straight from the camera SD card dropped into my video editor. No color grading because I never do that. Because that's how I'm going to be shooting and where the settings are going to stay forever once I get them right.
Can you please make a video for people who will actually be using it as a YT camera? I don't care about an old skool film look, that's fine if you're making a film... but I'm not, I can't get my videos into a movie theatre at all ever. I mean who the freak can any more if ever. I'm making nothing but YT videos...
I love your content dude, that opening footage is absolutely amazing! Running an M50 and very new to video after years of photography and desperate to learn.. ever run a gimbal atall? You must have steady hands if only rigged!
Great to hear! All hand-held except for the bird shot grooming itself. I put the camera on top of a rock. The hand-held footage were mostly stabilised in FCPX.
Cool！
Woah. You understand color and how to use it, in a way that I can finally learn how to replicate what I like. Thank you man.
😎🙌
Can I apply the same things to my Sony a6400 as well?
Yep. In Davinci, if you shoot Slog 2/3, enable Color Space transformation. I shot the talking parts of this video with two of my Sony ZV-E10'S Slog 3. DaVinci is great for grading.
You didnt get ARRI look :D
lol ... I guess its amazing. But. Why not use 5dmk2 ... it has the same price now. 200 euros.
Dear Zeek Please explain =
2208 x 1080 resize to 4k 4096 x 2048 after in Davinchi = 3840 x 2160...????
I really don't understand all those Resizing! Please explain.
If you want to get 2.2 k to 4k as I understood you need to make = 2208 x 1080 multiply by 2??? And will be just = 4416 x 2160???
till now I don't have clear understanding how to interpret video in Davinci correctly. I mean...we need to make correct setting during working with RAW video -
1) Color Space in project settings
2) Node - Color Space Transform
3) CAMERA RAW - chose correct space . Are there are not too much SPACE settings???? So...What is actually the step by step movement to only start working with RAW files in Davinchi resolve? All bloggers in you tube are making it by different way, what is correct?
For Canon M Raw Video (Cinema DNG uncompressed or Apple ProRes 4444) =
1) In project settings in section Color Space - What should we put?
2) Should we use Node - Color Space Transform? If Yes - why? This is only for Log video as I understood and not for RAW? Or not? Because some people use it with RAW video. Why?? 3) Camera RAW - this is what we need to use all the time. But what is the best for Canon M Raw Video (Cinema DNG uncompressed or Apple ProRes 4444)??? I am verry sorry, really but this questions are not going out from my head and till now I don't understand the right process. Really than you very much if somebody can give me the light on this three things (
How Record video on Eos-M? The red record button does nothing. Anyone please help.
Anyone notice how the woman that always appears in his videos looks sort of like Lady Gaga??? (Stephanie Germanotta)
Anyways, wonderful tutorials!
Thanks Zeek for another great video. This one of my favourite channels for film making, and has been the most helpful. I love that you help budget filmmakers get great results without spending a fortune. And as a new eos m user I don’t think I could have figured it all out with you. Can I please suggest a video that goes into the different Magic lantern shooting modes in more depth. I know you have already gone over the modes you use, but I’m interested seeing some examples of the other modes you avoid, and why you avoid them, and more explanation about resolution especially with the 5k anamorphic, how it converts to the true resolution when de squeezed. If that all makes sense. Your run through the menu and explications have been helpful, but I would like to see more visual examples of the concepts you explain about different modes. Another topic I would be interested in is an in depth look at the difference between 10 bit, 12 bit and 14 bit. Especially when grading. know there’s a lot there, but they’re just suggestions, if you like, if that gives you some more ideas when making new content. Cheers.
I'm not sure if you've seen this video, but this one is pretty in depth and goes through all the different modes:
ua-cam.com/video/MiUaR0FfUXQ/v-deo.html&ab_channel=Zeek.
As for 10/12/14 Bit, there is barely any difference apart from low light performance. 14 Bit has seemed slightly cleaner than the rest. But if you shoot with those three bit depths, then you will barely notice a difference.
Hi Zeek it was your videos about the EOS M that made be get one and instal ML on it, However, I tried to power it with a portable light Newer control unit, through dummy battery set up, there was an orange flashing for a moment then went dead, and now it won't power up. Does anyone know what do you think it might be? Cheers
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Haven't checked everything and I am waiting for my camera to arrive, but do you set any color profile in the camera? Or is it always just one color profile in the camera? In another camera I could add a log profile in the camera that was very neutral
ML EOS-M I hit the red button and it is not recording… ???
Thank you so much! Amazing job
Thank you so much for your footage and awesome how to. I downloaded your files and tried both Alexa Log-C but found the S-log 3 gave me clearer and better results. I uploaded a video on my channel. Let me know your thoughts.
Glad you had a play with the footage! I've used S-Log 3 in the past before, they're both good. For skin tones, Alexa LOG C looks more natural to me, but for landscapes and nature, either should be fine! 😎👌🎥🔥
@@ZeekEOSZ I have been on fence to getting this camera, though. I found one here for just $70 and thinking of getting one with a PK-mount to EOSM dummy adapter. Because I have a lot of pentax mount lenses (28mm f2.5, 28mm f3.5, 50mm f1.4, 100mm f4 macro, 200mm f4)
I mainly shoot with a FUJIFILM X-H1 in 4k, but I'm wondering what the difference is between 8 bit 4k vs 10 - 14 bit 1080p?
Could you share some light on this topic?
I care about sharpness, CA, noise and color artifacts. I haven't really had any problem with my X-H1 with those problems... Actually my only complain is that is too sharp! LOL
I have free .MLV RAW clips from the EOS M and 2.2K RAW in the description.
CA will depend on the lens. The EOS M is from 2012, so expect some noise with bad exposure or night situations (can be cleaned in post). You will be able to push the colours better with EOS M RAW than Fujifilm. 14 bit has more colours than 8 bit. I shoot with the ZV-E10 and I can get a very good 8 bit out of it. It's actually what I used to shoot this video. EOS M RAW for me is organic. It won't be a workhorse camera, more like an 80's/90's film vibe hobbyist type of camera.
Another great one Zeek! Only that gradient in the sky you've achieved with it ALL 👏👏👏
Appreciate it! 😎🙌💯 The gradient push is from the Red curve in Davinci 🔧
hey man, love your stuff. i found my dads old nikkon, Lens is a AF 50mm 1.8. are there any adapters for the EOS M you know of?
If it's Nikon AF, you'd need Nikon G to EOS M adapter. If you already have an EF to EOS M Adapter, then Nikon G to EF Adapter. ;)
Hey Zeke I’m having issues trying to connect monitors or hdmi evf to the m. I’ve tried different cables/monitors etc. I’m getting the right side of the screen filled with limes and flickering. Any advice?
Use the 2.5K HDMI Mode. I go through this in my previous video about the Eos m RED Rig towards the end.
Nice colours, its impressive what this little camera can do with ML. One question, why did you go to Log and the delogged it? The DR is not increased since it wasnt recorded in Log, am I missing something?
It wasn't recorded in Log. It was recorded with .MLV RAW.
In post you can transcode it to Slog3, Arri Log C, Rec 709 etc.. This video is about the ARRI workflow. I exported ARRI Log C as it has the Arri curve, hence the video title. But for maximum DR, I would export as DNG and grade in Davinci as also shown in the video.
Will the MLV app run the new M1 chips?
You bet! 💯
@@ZeekEOSZ There is also a special version of MLV for the ARM M1 chip, I have tried definitely faster and of course ARM M1 on the Davinci is excellent, software have developed so quickly making for a much faster workflow overall and the EOSM a pleasure to use
I don't give out compliments normally, but you're a master.
😎🙌💯
hi what version davinci you using now?
Thank you for teaching us ..
New to the channel. Truly amazing content. I was looking at a Black Magic Pocket 4K or 6K Pro but after watching your content have ordered a used USED Canon EOS M + 18-55mm. I have a question about the Rollei HFT Zeiss Planar 1.8/50mm. It has a QBM mount. What adapter are you using?
I sadly sold my Pocket 6K, not that it’s bad, just from a lack of use. It’s a great cam! The adapter I used was QBM To EF and then attached to the EF To EOS M Speedbooster.
What's the name of the other lens you're using on the video?
A little peek behind the curtain of the eosMagician!
Hey Zeek. In a future video can you list all the c mount lenses that you know will work with the fotodiox c to Eos m adapter? I’m specifically looking for those lenses that render color the way the science existed at the time. The 16mm film lenses seem to have the widest flat angels for cheap. I’m also looking for a way to adapt them to my z-cam ef mount but I’m afraid the flange distance are just to great, can’t find a way to get them close to the sensor and I’m no engineer.
The Elgeet ones are quite something, also Kern Paillard. I've seen the most organic look from these lens names.
As for EF Mount, it's troublesome. I too wish I could adapt them to my Pocket 6K EF.
This is cool Zeek! What do you think about canon 15-85 zoom lens? It's cheap and wide angle, have you used one?
I haven't used it, but I've heard good things about it! Of it's cheap, then it could be a good buy as it is a bit pricey where I am.
thank you for sharing the footages
This is so cool. Can the same principles be applied to using a 5d mark II raw?
Yes
Indeed! 😎👌
Zeek is the Goat!!!
hi zeek,
I downloaded your footages.. I'll try it and post in ML forum, hope you'll like it, thanks.
No problem! :)
idk about video and i hate editing, can you record video at high iso's and use an nd filter to get noise in your footage to emulate film grain easy?
also, anyway to get good looking video without shooting raw? does this camera have decent color profiles built in? or black and white?
amazing work
Hey man thanks for the video! Is there a limit to how long you can shoot in raw on the EOS M? I heard some cameras can only shoot in raw for 10 seconds.
2.3K and under as a general rule of thumb is continuous raw, above is anywhere from 8 seconds 2.8k 2.35:1, or 2.5k 16:9 or more with 2.5k and 2.35:1/2.39:1
Fantastic video zeek
This is very informative
🔥❤️🥰🥳🎉
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zeek, I love what you're able to do but I'm never able to replicate. The crop kills me. Especially in Manhattan where I don't have the luxury of space. ha! Can you do a video on your physical setup? How far are you away from your subjects when shooting? Would you ever do a scene with dialogue or only use the EOS-M for broll? Thanks!
Bravo! Thanks for your good guides.
Not a problem! 👌
I like this video of yours, very detailed color grading process, I am learning.
Glad to hear! 😎🙌💯
This rules.
Zeek do you know what bitrate ML is able to achieve on the EOS M ? I guess it probably depends on the mode and color depth selected, but I just wish I had a general idea of what the numbers are. And maybe also the color sampling (4.2.0. / 4.2.2.) ? Thanks.
With ML, it's RAW, there is no subsampling. RAW this peak. In post you can transcoded to ProRes 422 10 bit, or 4444 or h.264 8 bit etc...
The bitrate is 58/60MB/s
@@ZeekEOSZ OK
I actually liked it. :-)
Cheers! :)
Hi Zeek, so the workflow is converting from raw (that already look like rec709) to log-c, then in resolve convert back again to rec709? so whats the point? i still dont understand.
can we just put the clip from the magic lantern straight to davinci? (more disk space)
Also, when you open the mlv app, it already have the delivery rec709 look. When you open resolve from the log-c, its highlight also clipped, even tho in log-c.
Please help me understand this
Thanks Zeek, I have a question,
What's the point/interest of doing log when you have raw ? I mean with raw you have all latitude to do anything more than log no ?
Would you mind make a tuto to have alexa film look from eos M/5d mark II raw ?
Thanks for your works
It depends. My main workflow is grading DNG as shown later in the vid. But the reason to export as ProRes is smaller file size compared to DNG or using the Alexa LOG Curve as a preference for grading. The 5D2/3 should have the exact same process.
@@ZeekEOSZ Thanks you, for the 2nd question , I was meaning, would you mind make a tuto about how to match eos raw with alexa raw (no log , only raw)
Just wondering, If I use M10, and adapter to EF lenses, like 50mm , or something similar,
- does it compatible , and / or make any differences in results .
Thank you for the knowledge of magic lantern
Youre a legend!
Been waiting for this
Hi Zeek! Could you please explain to me is this actually filmed on Canon EOS M camera which was released back in 2012 or 15??? If yes could you please tell me exact model name I'm having a hard time finding those
Zeek hasn't posted on UA-cam for many months. Yes, it is the EOS M that was released in 2012 (with the Magic Lantern software), and there are plenty of places to buy one online, such as Ebay, MPB, or Adorama, etc. 🙏🏾
@@FilmSpook Thank you kindly!
Zeek you make it look soo easy
Fantastic video tutorial mate👌
Haha, appreciate it! 😎🙌💯
@@ZeekEOSZ as always it’s a joy watching your videos
Hi, since you have invested so mutch time with this camera and your work flow, lm wondering, dos the dynamic range of the sensor actually get better with ML in 10-12-14 bit raw then the standered codec.
The reason lm asking is becomes the eos m sensor is nothing special to begin with.
I just want to make a comparison, so take a old nokia phone for example and get raw out of it.
Is the actual video resolt going to be worth all the effort?
Becomes there are plenty of videos showcaseing this camera with the claims of amazing resolts.
I'm just trying to understand if this camera is actually this great or are the owners of this camera and ML just extatic becomes it is very inexpensive, and that there has bin a major effort by ML to convert a plane camera in to a raw capable camera.
Thank you for your passion.
Zeek hasn't posted here for many months. The footage speaks for itself, obviously. You might want to get your eyes checked. 😅These aren't just claims. *There are tons of EOS M videos that show that this camera can produce amazing footage with the Magic Lantern firmware and the creativity of the user.* You can get up to 13 stops of dynamic range when using dual ISO in the new Crop Mood build of Magic Lantern. No camera in itself is "great," however. *It is how the camera is used that is most important.*
@@FilmSpook cool, l should try the dual iso 👍
Good stuff, straight from the bat
;)
*why do you give up youtube bro*
4k endless recording?
EOS M : surprise MF 😂😂😂
ZEEK you are the man
ZEEK!!
This is a powerful video! Thanks man!
Also has there been any major changes to the fireware? Maybe and updated insilation and overview video would be handy.
ALSO, i noticed that what i pulled the footage off my card and cleared it, magic lantern on the camera kept telling me that is was all still there and i could even see the playbacks.
Is this a known issue or was i pulling the footage off of my camera incorrectly. because it takes such a long time to manually go through each clip and delete it while using the camera.
A 70-200 would complete a decent focal length setup for me!
Try using it with 3.5x crop 😆👍🍻
@@ZeekEOSZ I can the flag on the moon😎👍😅
Your footage looks so good, you are a really good photographer and colorist! ive been watching some other videos on youtube with the eos m and they often have a lot of noise but your video look so clean! Do you use the Davinchi resolve noise reduction? Or does noise on the eos m come from bad exposure or an old version of magic lantern?
Finally a video that showcases footage with music that’s not from the showroom of a luxury boutique 😂 great music choice!
hi! Can you make a review with android sony xperia pro with built in micro hdmi as a compact monitor for eos m ?
Watching in 480p makes it even more vintage cinema like
The softer the better 😉👌🍻
Thanks Zeek for all the great resources you share on the EOS M raw. I’m just wondering why do you prefer to output cDNG (or ProRes) files from the MLV app than using MLVFS? Thanks!
I like DNG much better.
@@ZeekEOSZ Yes that’s what you get with the MLVFS workflow, DNGs without exporting them. It’s like mounting the MLV files, no exporting time it takes seconds. That’s why I’m wondering why you prefer to export DNGs through the MLV app.
@@julienbecker4913 I run on Mac, I'm just used to MLV App.
@@ZeekEOSZ I’m also on a mac, but fine. Cheers.
You make me excited to use the M
Best hobby RAW camera for the price!
Hi, please keep going! You videos are amazing !!!
I have it
I’ll use this tutorial. Thanks
Not a problem! :)
666 ikes
nice zeek you're the best
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hey Zeek i get a pink dot on my canon eos m ML videos is there a way i can remove it?
Install the latest MLV App, and when it prompts you to install focus pixel maps, click allow.
@@ZeekEOSZ thanks Zeek
most amazing video of the year for me, thx so much
00:40 is the sky supposed to be purply?
I added a curve to make it like that. Adds mood.
Very nice! Simple👍
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Is it reliable for serious work?
Depends how serious. I know people who have used it for weddings and client shoots. It depends on the demand of the client. If you haven't had much experience with the camera, I'd say no. There is aliasing in 1080 mode, and is reduced with the higher resolutions. Max resolutions like 2.5K/2.8K are continuous RAW unless you reduce the resolution to about 2.4/2.3K RAW.
I love the shots im not sure if its youtube compression but I am not fond of the sharpening I am seeing in the examples do you have the files that we can download and see without compression?
Yeah, should be in the description
Thank you buddy
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Whats with the 70-200mm in the picture?!
Mostly the bird shots, as they were quite far from me.
@@ZeekEOSZ I thought you gona show it too, btw good vid mate!
is it resolve or resolve studio ?
Resolve
This guy really gonna make me regret as I am getting a new camera😂😂
🤣 Honestly just get the tool that works for your needs haha 👌 Although I own the Pocket 6K, I still can't put this camera down! 🎥🔥
@@ZeekEOSZ Lol it's so awesome what u are doing with this camera bro
@@sueme6926 A pleasure :)
Just fantastic Zeek, You are truly amazing.
If I work with Aces I always use three nodes, the input, grading node (middle) and the last one the output.
In that way you have the benefits of Aces grading.Then when I use the offset wheel the exposure is graduated.
Second when I work with Arri, I use the DNG in Davinci Resolve with CST.
Then I feel I have more control over the still Raw footage.
But I gonna give your method a try to see the results. Because your footage looks amazing.
Any how, I do enjoy your tutorials and the great colors you create.
Cheers Richard
Cheers Richard! 🙌 DNG is always the best to work with! ARRI log C just has a nice curve when grading it. I'll test the three nodes and see how they go! 😎👍🍻
@@ZeekEOSZ Here this method I use. At 9.14 min. he's explaining the setting. But his whole explanation you understand what I mean by graduated.
ua-cam.com/video/GZ90OZlUTSg/v-deo.html
cheers Zeek
@@richardrem Appreciate it! 😎🙌💯
@RechardRem, Hi, Could you please make a video about that and share the link here so that we can learn.
Thank you both.
@@GetWisdomTV ua-cam.com/video/GZ90OZlUTSg/v-deo.html
hey zeek! can you do a video on the EOS 550d/rebel t2i and what settings you would use? I don't yet have the EOS M
I don't have that camera though? The best ML APSC DSLR's are 650D/700D.
@@ZeekEOSZ could you borrow a friend's camera for a video? plz I love your RAW EOS M content, but all I have is the 550d :(
can you make a video about the canon 5d iii raw video specs, and best rig on budget?
I don't have the 5D3
Fantastic stuff mate!
Appreciated! 😎🙌💯
Hi! can be applied in 7d or 60d ML?
Yes it can. 700D is better for Aps-c DSLR. 5D3 is best for ML RAW Full Frame.
@@ZeekEOSZ Ty bro ! 🙏🏻
How does that film grain compare to CineGrain (it costs money)?
This one is free, cinegrain I think is about $99.
@@ZeekEOSZ Yeah I am just curious which is better quality. I don't mind paying $100 if its better than free stuff.
@@NirnBootMod I remember Film Riot having pretty good 4K Film Grain in their LUT Packs. Honestly though, if your uploading to UA-cam, these film grains can become more compressed. If you're going to pay a good price, then I'd look at online video samples and see how they have turned out.
@@ZeekEOSZ UA-cam screws up alot of things especially something like TV static, it completely destroys it.
I know haha! Hence why I use free film grain ;)
Thank you so much for your content Zeek, it is giving me the courage to think that is possible. I will do my first short movie this summer following your advices. I was searching for so long how to do a vintage picture and an unexpensive camera to start with. Again thank you for the knowledge. I just suscribed, have a nice day!
Not a problem! 😎🙌💯