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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Every now and then a little gaming miracle happens; lost video games are found and preserved for all to enjoy. Today we take a look at several cases of lost games, why they were cancelled, and how they were found, including Star Fox 2 for the SNES, Atari's Akka Arrh, Conquest, as well as Drac's Night Out for Nintendo's NES.
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Special Thanks: Ethan Johnson, Chris Kohler, Frank Cifaldi, Mark Lesser, Rex Bradford, Gideon Zhi, and Jeremy Smith.
Research/Writing by Dylan Mansfield
Video Editing by TheCartoonGamer
Voice Over by Rezrospect @Rezrospect
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McFarren, Damien. “Feature: The Full Story Behind Star Fox 2, Nintendo's Most Famous Cancellation.” Nintendo Life, 21 May 2015, www.nintendoli....
Gasking, Frank. The Games That Weren’t. Bitmap Books (U.K.), 2019. pp. 76-84, 388-391.
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"PreNews: CES Arrest". GamePro. No. 69. April 1995. p. 146.
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Sao, Akinori. “Interview: Star Fox & Star Fox 2.” Nintendo, Sept. 2017, web.archive.or....
Dring, Christopher. “Dylan Cuthbert: “Star Fox 2 release is a big awesome surprise.” Games Industry.biz, 27 Jun. 2017, www.gamesindus....
Drury, Paul. "In The Chair With… Mike Hally" Retro Gamer, Dec. 2015, pp. 92-97.
“TDE EP05 - Mike Hally of Atari on Lucasfilm, Star Wars, lost classic Akka Arrh and Gravitar.” The Ted Dabney Experience, 23 Jun. 2020, www.teddabneye...
Salwitz, John. Classic Game Postmortem: Paperboy, Mar. 2019 at Moscone Center, GDC, 1 May 2019.
Evans, Scott. “Akka Arrh.” SafeStuff, 11 Apr. 2003, web.archive.or....
Orland, Kyle. “Did a vigilante ROM leaker go too far to “preserve” a lost Atari ROM?” ArsTechnica, 26 Apr. 2019, arstechnica.co....
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The fact that Dylan Cuthbert was pleased to find out Star Fox 2 finally got released tickles me. The game's fun, at least in my opinion, but it can be a little stressful.
Star Fox 2 has a learning curve but once you start figuring out how to manage the onslaught of enemies the game is insanely fun. As dated as it is I find it more fun than anything that followed after Star Fox 64. Sorry not sorry.
While I understand the series of events under which Akka Arrh eventually made it's way to the public, at the same time it would've been an absolute travesty to have lost this game to time. It really is a very good and challenging game, so I'm glad the story has a happy ending there, and Minter's reimagining is absolutely stellar.
Pretty surreal seeing you guys using my 13 year old footage of SF2. I was still a teenager and got really exited discovering that stage and seeing no info about it online at the time. I almost never miss a video and been a fan of your channel for almost 10 years. Keep up the good work!
What's the source of your profile pic, you man of impeccable taste?
I’m always fascinated by how lost games suddenly pop up years later.
Akka Ahhr makes me wonder... could it be what inspired Polybius? The gameplay looks like every Polybius remake I've ever seen. The tempest like gameplay, plus the unique (and I imagine migraine inducing) zoom mechanic, plus the rapidly changing colors...
Hell, being a market test makes sense as to the whole "vanished as soon as it appeared" part if the story. The only thing missing is the popularity angle.
I'm guessing that Akka Ahhr started rumors in the arcade community that, over time, morphed and contorted wildly before becoming the bassis for the Polybius story, which would then go on to achieve even higher levels of fame.
wait, so AVGN has a rare version or a reproduction cartridge of Drac's!?
Wow what one learns these days
He says its a repro in the episode
Like these games, I too was lost seemingly forever. But then my mom remembered she left me at the store and returned.
Mine is still out getting milk
Bruh.
My mom talked to me for 20 minutes before she noticed and returned😂
@@LegendStormcrow lmao mine would have twigged to my absence immediately. "they're being quiet for once; whats up??"
@@TOBAPNW_ Mine should have, but is too self absorbed.
Gotta pay a bit of respect to the thief, Ming. They tricked the genius collector man with the oldest trick in the book. The Fake Repairman lol
Hot take: while I definitely don’t encourage people to impersonate someone to break into a house to steal something, I can’t find myself mad at the guy. The “collector” didn’t have one but TWO cabinets of the game? He had it for years and knew people wanted it dumped so they could play. The only reason I can see he did that was for the power trip of having cabinets ye would graciously let people play at events from time to time.
The fact he had an OG cabinet is cool and novel as hell already. There really wasn’t any other reason to keep the game to himself like that.
Normally I'd be opposed to theft, but is there really anything wrong with what he did? From a material standpoint, nothing was stolen. The ROM itself is still on the machine.
From a value standpoint, perhaps you could argue that he stole the value that having the game undumped brought. Though this is another ethical debate in and of itself.
And it certainly wasn't his obligation to dump the ROM. However, I do think that as a rule anyone who finds a piece of game history should dump it and upload it if possible. Keeping it to yourself is a disservice to the gaming community, since who knows when your cabinet will die? If that cabinet dies, there's a good chance that the last copy of the game dies along with it. So I'd say what the thief did was for the greater good.
That woman in the SF2 data isn't African American, her palette data gives her light skin and reddish hair.
She looks like she could be a quarter-black. The real issue is that "African AMERICAN" is a silly term for a part-black character in the Star Fox universe.
I don't know if the character was african considering her colored sprite was so light. She looks more like Pauline.
I'm surprised Humans exist in the Star fox Universe though, since I was under the impression it was a zootopia world where Humans didn't exist.
Considering that character was scrapped, I think it's safe to assume humans do not exist in the current Star Fox universe.
@@mds_main one would think that, but after Krystal's appearance and dinosaurs existing, who's to say. Obviously fur/animal mascot characters will have more appeal than people. Still, regular humans were added into Zelda so. anything is possible.
11:03 that screenshot of the Beavis & Butt-Head arcade game feels like such a tease...
Regarding the Star Fox 2 characters: Not all black people are "African American", my friends.
0:15 man I loved playing that game with my dad. 16 possible weapons to choose from before each level. No internet or guide to tell you which one, you simply had to play to try each one
Somewhere in an alternate universe, AVGN is played a game called penetration
"AKA-R went up against a little game, maybe you've heard of it- Robotron!"
You know, for the first time I've heard that phrase used for something that I actually haven't heard of.
Whoa, I’ll be damned. Sweet vid DYKG. Thank you.
Please keep us informed on the progress of preserving Drac’s Night Out. 😊
Wake me up whenever someone uploads EXTREMELY obscure saga "Johnny Megatone" from DirecTV Games. I played that thing with a tv remote control man, A REMOTE CONTROL.
Seriously those games were awesome (and infuriating). Man went to the jungle, atlantis, the future/space I think? It was wild.
Pretty weird calling the woman in Star Fox 2 an “African American woman”, when it’s a Japanese game with British programmers. Why would she be American?
Literally no sympathy for that Scott guy. Hoarding lost or endangered media is next level shitty.
I'm still waiting for Kirby's Air Ride on the N64.
It is fun to hear about games made by companies other than nintendo
Awesome work as always
3:31 How do we know they were African American?
Las Vegas police said “I can’t let you do that”
Lol there were "african american" women. As opposed to just African. I guess in star fox america is a thing, also red hair isn't exactly african.
Has anyone hear heard of an arcade game named one? The joystick was twistable you shoot in 8 directions, it was a shooter obviously. I played it in the late 80’s early 90’s . I have searched but can’t find any info about it, maybe I got the name wrong but I doubt it.
... but didn't the AVGN do a video on Dracs night out like 13 years ago??
In that video he days its a rare reproduction cart. He doesn't show the whole game.
Can't help but notice that the audio (narration) is a bit... odd...? Like it's been slightly slowed down or sped up, or maybe AI generated?
That SF2 human character does not look African American, unless she's mixed or just has REALLY light skin.
Lol it's a much higher probability that the woman in SF2 was Japanese. Look at her icon at 3:43. The misinterpretation comes from a sprite that wasn't displaying the colours properly.
heard of Drac's Night Out from AVGN, never did see the second level till now lol
Is nobody going to talk how the videogame history foundation founder is lighting his cig with the No1 sups?
No? Ok
I found my copy of pokemon ruby the other day. Was behind my bed
Pokemon 2 was beta gold,silver and crystal before 2 was used for Unova 2 in Pokemon Black 2 and white 2.
Dracs night out is modeled after the munsters dracula from the 1960s tv show
5:26 Someone should try to find this man
2:55 The new female pilots from Star Fox 2 are mentioned twice? How was this not caught in editing?
Questionable morals of the Akka Arrh ROM dumper aside. Why didn't the collector dump the ROM in the first place besides selfish reasons?
I have much sympathy towards collectors that want to purposely gatekeep rare pieces of media. A digital copy can be easily multiplied and passed onto generations, the original hardware/physical media will eventually degrade and disappear with time.
As a collector the ROM existing in the public doesn't even make what they have less valuable. They still have the authentic original hardware which is special in its own right.
This is going to sound very out of pocket but does anyone know what music is playing in the background of the AKKA ARRH section of the video? (7:46 - 10:00) I really like how it sounds lol
*Parker Brothers*
Ah yes, Starfox 2 would have had many animals. Rabbits... pigs.... lemurs.... uhhhh. African-American women....
Great video 👍
@Nintendo just resell the NES & SNES classic mini consoles already! Also make a new mini console for the N64.
I don't get it, how is it alright when people buy arcade cabinets and keep them locked up in their homes, compared to when people buy cd's or cartridges and lock them in a drawer or cabinet? one makes people angry and demand the game get's released the other makes people go "oh that's nice, great purchase."
incredibly based to disguise yourself as a repairman just to rip the ROM of a game a "collector" refuses to release
Yeah, I doubt that collector has any intention of sharing like that.
Well fucking said. I feel like the owner snitched on himself by telling this story, what a dweeb haha.
I need an Oceans Eleven movie but it's about secretly leaking arcade roms
Like seriously…..you have to be a real piece of shit and entitled to think that you can own someone else’s creation or work of art just because you paid for the original copy…
Just because you own the Mona Lisa doesn’t mean I’m not allowed to know what it looks like.
"Collector" was a dbag for not hoarding it to get some sick satisfaction out of keeping something good away from others
Oddly enough, Akka Arrh's gameplay seems to be in fitting with some of the ways Polybius's gameplay has been described in accounts, and the game's extremely limited early testing might have made an imprint on the very few kids who spent their quarters on it... probably coincidence, though.
I don't think it's that big of a coincidence, it makes a lot of sense and its headaching graphics can be part of the "brainwashing" side of Polybius
There's multiple games that tie in a little bit to the possibility of the Polybius myth. Cube Quest is another possible source - that game is super trippy, and it broke down a lot.
The rayman team was incredibly talented for putting the rayman 2 prototype in the official rayman 2 game
and only on the ps1 port... probably because it was the only version of the game that was far along in developement to actually be usable
I love Rayman 2 so much, partly because there's so many different versions of it
The Rayman 2 prototype goes by the name of Tonic Trouble.
@@xJC4Rx im pretty sure thats a different game
While it shares the engine for rayman 2, its a completely different game
the ps1 version of rayman 2 has the actual prototype of rayman 2 which is a 2d platformer like Rayman1
@@frumpysnorfls5088 Half joke, half truth.
Though I don't know what prototype you guys speak, I've not heard of it before.
From what I recall, TT was a tech demo for them to get their feet wet and see what was possible for Rayman in 3D. A relatively safe approach and preserving their IP to make sure they don't make a sub par game.
Hearing about collectors that would rarther have exclusivity then preservation always pisses me off
It's morally correct to steal a greedy collector's collection
The funny thing is that the first time I ever heard of Drac’s Night Out was from the AVGN’s Halloween review of the Dracula games. XD He even was wearing the Reebok Pumps in that episode. XD
I was wondering why it seemed familiar
I literally watched that episode before watching this video because I noticed something similar between the two thumbnails, that something was Drac's Night Out. I remember now that James had talked about it, playing a repro cart and mentioning that it was unreleased. Now I know the full story.
the coolest thing about the final build of Star Fox 2 is that you can play it on an actual SNES hardware as a repro cart. keeping this amazing game console alive far longer past it's expiration date.
My SNES has GPU rot, so I'll stick the the SNES mini one :'(
@@Arcona that's unfortunate. thankfully I still have my refurbished Grade A SNES that works perfectly fine. so, I say to those who have a working SNES, it's still worth owning it as a repro cart. to me, repro carts are a great way to keep the system alive.
Makes sense, because it is a ROM.
@@Arcona However, if you have a Switch, you can actually play this game on the Super NES NSO service.
@@jeremyriley1238 Rather play it on the snes mini
I’ve been into lost media for years now but it’s still always interesting some of my favorite stuff to get into
Little disappointed that Marble Madness 2 wasn't mentioned even though one of the background tracks in the video was a track from the original Marble Madness.
13:36 "Despite its controversial ROM release..."
lol That release was a direct cause of the happy ending it got.
Data hoarders who hold one of a kind software hostage until the mediums rot are the scum of the earth and should be chastised at every opportunity.
Games are meant to be enjoyed, not hidden away by greedy trolls.
I agree, I always find it so annoying when I find out that some collector has this super obscure thing and refuses to share it.
they could still sell "the original experience" or something while still sharing the game (kinda what the nes and snes classic were imo)
Dude deserved the game to be stolen cause he clearly wasnt gonna share it
@@jamesherman3750 wasn't even stolen. If I take pictures of a book you own I didn't take your book away.
This is the most 1st world shit I’ve ever read. Pathetic
@@legomeaker101potato software piracy is so based
man when i saw Akka Arrh on the Atari 50 collection i was like "no fucking way". I wish more game compilations could be like that tbh, esp wish sega would be cool like that instead of rehashing genesis comps every gen
Yes, I've felt that way for years. I'd especially like to see a complete and translated version of Shining Force III get released.
You know, it might be a controversial move, but until Atari had their official release of Akka Arrh, I can appreciate the efforts of the man that snuck in and copied the files behind the owner's back. He just wanted to give others the chance to play this game, seems like the owner only cared for the fame behind out otherwise he would have done it himself ages ago. There's also a chance this guy who went through all this trouble also motivated Atari's decision to officially release it.
I think Atari just used that ROM he uploaded. I think Atari had no copy of it
Not controversial. The guy with the cab was a hoarding douchebag.
Yeah the ethics are a bit messy. On the one hand the collectors holding onto unreleased games just so they can increase their worth and prestige is definitely selfish but that still doesn't give someone the right to just steal it. Oh well, what's done is done.
I 100% support the person who uploaded the rom. That collector was literally just hoarding *two* cabinets of the game, and preventing others from playing. History deserves to be observed by all, not just a select few.
Yeah the only objection the collector would have to releasing it is he wants to make more money off his collection.
In which case he's not a collector, he's an investor.
I hope some day we'll get to see what happened to Star Fox 3 through Star Fox 63.
there never was a 3rd title
@@mattalan6618 Don't ruin the bit.
I’m still waiting for super Mario 65
3:35
Not all black people are African American😂😂
Wouldn't one of the earlier examples of black representation in a Nintendo game be Doc Louis and Mike Tyson from Mike Tyson's Punch-out?
Yep. I smell virtue signaling.
The ironic thing is that the colored portrait is anything but black while the narrator says that.
I like how in the process of virtue signalling by ignoring characters like Doc Louis, DYKG not only insinuated that black people are animals, but they also assumed a character who clearly has no black skin is black based on weird white person instinct. Yeah, this is why you should just avoid virtual signalling all together, DYKG.
Alright
I know you didnt mean it
but "All sorts of creatures... including African American women"
I get the joke
and it is weird
but maybe not the best wording
Could Akka Arrh be the origins of the Polybius urban legend? The dates only a year off, the game play sounds like it could match, the flashing lights could cause a lot of the symptoms playing Polybius was said to cause. The men in black could be people coming to check on how popular the game was. The supposed long lines for the game could be people misremember and attributing lines for Robotron to Akka Arrh. I could be way off here it just seems like a lot fits.
Literally the moment they showed it on screen I said aloud "That's fuckin Polybius."
That could be a contributor to the legend, yeah. It's a logical explanation for some aspects of the story. Pretty cool.
It’s certainly possible. If an event isn’t considered important enough to record for posterity, it only lives on through word of mouth. And at that point, it becomes a game of telephone. The question to ask is, if your theory is correct, then where did the name Polybius come from.
That... is actually a very intriguing theory. That might possibly be an avenue worth investigating.
@@lalehiandeity1649 I do know that Polybius was a greek historian born in Arcadia. With this in mined if I had to guess, and this is a big guess, I would say that someone heard disruptions of the game and since no one seemed to be able to remember the name of the game Polybius was used as some sort of joke. To back this up a bit I believe the supposed company name for the game as come to be know as Sinnesloschen which means something along the lines of "deletion of sense". Could be interpreted as a reference to the supposed side affects of the game and a cheeky jab at people loosing there sense over this game nobody can confirm even existed.
Wait, where was the black woman?
The one you showed looked Caucasian or Mediterranean.
How do you know the black characters are American? Does America even exist in the star fox world?
"African American Women"
> shows a completed sprite which isn't
lol
Marble Madness 2 being dumped online out of nowhere is also an honorable mention. Due to the unknown source of the dump it seems that it was stolen from a private collector as well
I mean private collectors are considered jerks to many people for not preserving the media digitally since they will just rot there.
Can't "steal" what you copy.
@@Mrshoujo *Copyright Lawyer* would like a word...
@@kanedaku it’s probably more complicated than that. Arcade prototype owners usually don’t own the rights to the code.
@@vidjenko8349 *_*sigh*_* Not only was that comment in jest; the actual fact is copying things held under copyright *is* illegal. The arcade would be fair game as no-one would be rushing to enforce the copyright on something archived for posterity, but do you think copying a Nintendo Switch game from a _game store_ would mean Nintendo couldn't defend their copyright?
How do we know that the black woman is American ??
Is it just assembled that the female human character is black? Seems like an odd assumption, especially given her skin color being pretty far from black.
It’s also odd to me that people talking about dumping old carts (EPROMs) as though it requires expertise. For around $25 anyone could dump those tiny EPROMs. Reassembling the PRG and CHR ROMs is literally as easy as copying and pasting them into a single hex file and saving it. The only thing you would need to know is which Rom goes first. But, seeing as there are only 2 possible configurations, anyone can do it.
How tf was that woman African American lol. She was light af
Well she has curly hair so, that clearly makes her "African American" at least according to this guy.
I have to say, I literally could not give a damn about an arcade collector hoarding an unreleased game. Those kind of people can go straight to hell
"All sorts of creatures...gazelles, bison, sheep, lemurs, pigs, dogs...and African American women".
Bruh
Why do you assume the black character is "African American"? She could be from England, Australia, another planet, anywhere.
12:35 This is not the worst way. Remember that the whole reason that some rare arcades don't get their rom online is just so collectors can make more money out of their cabinets due to "rarity". So I would say it's the only way to bypass greedy.
3:32
How do you know she’s _African American,_ exactly..?
She's not even black. You can tell that very clearly in the actual sprites.
yeesh the guy who was letting the akka arrh arcade just collect dust sounds like a real tool, kudos to the madlad who leaked the game online 👍
So it's a black woman created by Japanese developers and you still refer to her as 'African American'. She's black, there is nothing wrong with saying that.
"All sorts of creatures... like African American women."
Bruh, what.
Shoutouts to Gideon Zhi and crew for cleaning up and releasing a "production" build of SF2
How is it known the black Star Fox woman is American? 🧐
It's a shitty attempt at virtue-signaling especially since the two non-Japanese devs are Brits.
I don't even think she's known to be black. There's a few sprites in the data to suggest she's a shapeshifter.
The guy that "stole" that ROM should've taken a dump on the guy's carpet before leaving.
Considering the game was made in Japan, the woman wouldn't have been "African American".. heck she's not black in the first place, or even tan
Yeah, we're back on this again.
Did you know? They spent a lot of money bidding on ebay for these and got scammed 80% of the time
I hope DYKG would do a feature of Sky Skipper one day. This Nintendo title was so obscure it makes StarFox 2 look like StarFox 64.
that's no black lady
They see curly hair, they see black lol
‘When video game preservation is done right, it can tell a good story’
The only time it seems to go right is when the original owner ‘doesn’t know the worth’ of what they have. Otherwise they just hoard it. Basically ensuring no one gets it.
copying unpreserved games from hoarders is objectively correct and morally good
Keep telling yourself that, you entitled brat...
Assuming both the AKA Rom theft and the accusation post(s) are true, I applaud the story. Because butt-hurt private collectors are always funny, when they lose what they value most.
Not actually owning the super rare thing, but reminding you THEY won the super rare thing.
0:00 Starfox 2
7:45 Akka Arrh
13:40 Conquest
19:30 Drac's Night Out
bro let people watch the video
Thank you for putting in the time stamps.
at 3:30 you say the beta sprites have what appears to be an "African-American" woman? ...Do either Africa or America even exist in the Lylat system??? why would you say it like that lol
Ypu should include Nightdive studio's Shadow Man remaster in one of these videos. The remaster restored a TON of cut content. Og devs had notes and early beta footage of several levels and NightDive built the levels from scratch, going so far to include the location of a single early screenshot which showed the cut Junkyard map.
This is so cool!!!! You guys are doing the game community wonders!!!!
3:32 - African American... really bruh?
Ikr? She must be from Space America. 😊
That “repair man” did the right thing by copying the files and posting them
More lost videogame videos please!😊
the Akka Arrh bandit is a hero. the "private collector" should've just dumped the damn game themselves for the sake of preservation of a rare game.
Agreed. The "collector" was just hoarding video game history for selfish profit.
@@That_Lady_Charlie You don't sound entitled at all.
@@That_Lady_Charlie what profit? I'd say it costs money just to share the game at conventions given how heavy the whole game cabinet is.
@Frostiikin They spent their money on it. They would give people a chance to play it at conventions. They aren't obligated to share it with the community. You sound like an entitled child. By the logic, if your house was broken into and anything stolen could be sold to feed the hungry, and they can claim they're doing it for the preservation of mankind. Oh...but that's right, it's affecting you personally. So it's not allowed.
@@LoliconSamalik Not to mention gas, booth fees and tickets. They're just a bunch of entitled brats.
03:31 - how do you know she is American?
3:30 Did the Star Fox developers say she’s African American or are you just reaching to put crappy virtual signaling politics into a video about previously unreleased games!?
Man, I have to say it again and again but not releasing StarFox2 was such a stupid move on Nintendos part.
Not only was it already finished, both the spriteart and 3d-polygons/3d-effects look more than decent enough to make up for any discrepancy in regards to the 3d-power of the next console-generations.