What If The United States Of Austria Worked? | Alternate History
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- What if the Austro-Hungarian Empire had managed to successfully reform before, during, or after the Great War, and established a representative federation akin to Austrian Archduke Franz Ferdinand's proposed United States of Greater Austria, and saved the Dual-Monarchy from total collapse?
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Here's a question:
What if Gran Colombia didn't fall / still exist today?
Monsieur Z your website sucks I’m just saying because it always crashes on my IPad
@@unclesam5230
*AY!* That's an insult! You might as well use a pc or something.
Z J I I don’t have a PC.
Here's a Question:
What if the Pahlavi Dynasty never fell?
USA: Who are you?
USA: *Ich bin du, aber Österreicher.*
@Spicyleaves Ya, das ist gut?
Brazil: “Hey, você posso look at me for once?”
@Spicyleaves United States Of America - USA, United States Of Austria - USA
Ist would be the VSÖ = Vereinigte Staaten Österreich ...
@@harleyrk1472 Its still just a joke, btw countries have a name for them in every language and they a little different and sometimes use other letters and stuff, but still this comment was just a joke tho
(and we are talking in english so thats why someone just made a silly joke about Usa thats it)
The Austro Hungarian Empire is like a college dorm except everyone has a hangover and their neighbor is the valedictorian
So a regular college dorm?
The Austrian Hungarian Empire is like a college dorm except the door is on fire and everybody is on fire and everything is on fire
what if austria hungary conquered and annexed thailand?
@@herdaconfleclord6597 ...because the college dorm is hell
@Tim Loo2 ?
My country tis of thee, Austria-Hungary, obey your king...
I obey, your majesty.
(Also you flag is amazing!)
Wait, the arch Duke is dead?!
Excellent....
Anyone seen my hotpocket
@@kaiserwilhelmii674
Ay! Is the Kaiser!
Ferdinand of Austria looks like the human embodiment of the big-brain meme.
IDK how crazy he is he has the answer to if water’s wet
Ironically, he probably was more competent than all current heads of state of all successor states.
In Austria, Ferdinand was similarly nicknamed "Ferdinand der Gütige" (Ferdinand the Benign), but also ridiculed as "Gütinand der Fertige" (Goodinand the Finished).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_I_of_Austria
Alter er hatte einen wasserkopf und hat nur gelitten der arme Mann
I love the story of Ferdinand. Originally slated to be just a landless forgotten brother of Charles V, he was granted Austria as a compromise and a show of friendship by his brother. He uniquely wasn't Emperor for most of his reign, and had to support the Burgundian-Spanish part of the Habsburg Empire regularly while also being constantly invaded by the Ottomans. And yet... he managed to improve the economy of Austria proper, claim Hungary with some legitimacy, balance the Lutheran and Catholic German princes while maintaining good relations with the papacy among many other things. The stresses and budgeting of being on the brink reveal excellence.
As a Croat I never knew I could nut and cry at the same time.
Croat sinko ko te učia engleski
@@velesmudri4533 missclick, ispričavam se na grešci i hvala na ispravku.
@@noobasticman9336 hahaha lol nmv
@Josip jep
@Josip ali austro ugarska je probala poboljsat prava hrvata
So we'd technically have 2 countries named USA :D
USGA
United States of greater Austria
Or, you could have Federated States of Austria.
would rather have the danubian federation as a name
Maybe with there not being a second world war, english might not be quite so dominant, allowing more countries to use abbreviations based on their own languages.
So USÖ or VSÖ.
After all Austria is Austria only in English. In German it's Österreich.
Hmm... I wonder if that would lead to a different basic letter standard and keyboard layouts. ASCII does have the Umlaute in it, but the more simplified systems sometimes don't.
France: Bad news! The USA has joined the side of the Central Powers!
Britain: Oh bloody hell! Now I’m going to have to divert resources to Canada!
France: No, not that USA! 🤦♂️
Britain: what I'm going to have to divert all my resources to rhodesia
France: not that USA either the other one
Britain: Well, There's 2 USAs! America, and Austria! Oh. Well I can divert all my resources to Czechoslovakia, wait, That's a part of it.
@@AmazingJ69420 no there would be 3 in the early 20th century the United States of America, the United States of Austria and the Union of South Africa
@@chrisinnes2128 Thank you, I will edit.
Edit: I mean United States
What if in this universe America really joined it would be like
Britain: the USA joined the central powers
France: that's why this war started
Britain: no not that usa
France: Impossible
Everyone’s playing Hoi4 while United States Of Austria is over here playing Stellaris
And running it Xenophobic, to boot.
ayy bokoen reference
shit doesnt make sense when hoi4 is a better game
@@tibwr8879 I don’t think you got the reference but that’s alright
@@primal_guy1526 ah i just got it lmåø
Me: Time travels
Also Me: Franz don't go for car ride
When I come back:
god i wish
Until Mary-Ann comes with two idiots that gave her wish (Fairly odd parents reference)
This is now my favorite Chanel I’ve literally been trying to find a good video on this topic for months
Dude me too, I love this alternate history stuff
He's the best.
Years
@@Squaretable22 Decades
Mee too brother xd
The USA that we wanted but didn't deserved.
I lost 2 brain cells trying to read that
@@blakepearce8370 😐
@@angrymanwithsillymoustasche 😐
@@angrymanwithsillymoustasche you're just pissed cuz you failed art school
@@blakepearce8370 ☹️
What if the Russian Empire industrialized properly before the outbreak of WW1?
@Epixit certainly needed during the fighting too
This is such a cliche. Russia was the 4th largest economy in 1914 nearing the position of 3rd by 1917. They were industrialised. It was the autocracy and incompetent military that forced Russia nor industrialization.
@@sarthakbikrampanta8342 really? Thanks for letting me know
@@zionmolina3039 no problem.
WW1 actually happened because Russia WAS industrializing, scaring Germany
3:43 *Foreheadinand the First*
Bruh!👍🏻😁😂😆🤣😅✌
Yeah this is big brain time
Blessed Kaiser Karl makes a blessed Danubian Federation
If Austria Empire didn't collapse after ww1 i think ww2 would never heppend. First Hitler would never gain power, but even If he did Austria Empire would be very strong opposition to Germany and ww2 on that scale would never happened.
I have to disagree about the Roman Empire since they last over 800 years befor breaking in two and even the East Rome last almost thousand. No nation has lasted as long except maybe China.
Rome had barely left it's native Italy for the first 400 of those 800 years, so doesn't really count as a multicultural/ethnic empire. The Eastern Empire also spent ~800 of those 1000 years almost entirely Greek. Again, doesn't really count as multicultural.
Laughs in Holy Roman Empire
@@theStormWeaver The Italian peninsula prior to the roman conquest was a region comprised of many different people groups ranging from Etruscans, Oscans, Italian Greeks, Umbrians, Messapians and even Celts. Isn't that considered multicultural?;-) Furthermore, 400 years of rulling places such as Egypt, Syria and Africa is not something that should be undermined.
@@celestialweaver8460 But they were, mostly (excepting the Celts who were mostly genocided and the Etruscans), Italic peoples. Even back then they were recognized as such. AND even then there was a lot of internal strife that was not managed well by Rome. Hence, the Social War.
But the point was that, no matter how hard they tried, they couldn't hold it together. Civil War was almost a constant. Even in the "Pax Romana" we have 68-69 CE, the Year of Four Emperors, a period of extreme internal strife and violence.
I'd also argue that the East benefited from heavy Hellenization by the Diadochi in prior centuries. They did the best they could, but large culturally diverse nations don't tend to last long. I wouldn't be surprised if India evaporated at some point in the next century or two.
I'd argue China didn't last as long as Rome did since the different Dynasties are basically different countries
Noone really remembers but Poles fought on both sides during the Great War, but reason why they fought on the side of Central Powers was because of Austria-Hungary.
There were few conceptions. One was Polish Kingdom with Polish Habsburg on throne; different one was peaceful annexation, more of unification of Polish lands within the Austro-Hungary, and giving Poland or West Slavs' land in general (again different variants) role of the Third Kingdom or Fourth if the South Slavs had get their own earlier.
It's quite interesting topic tbh. Czechs and Poles were often allies within the Austro-Hungary. Some more radical sympathisers were proposing united Czecho-Polish nation, arguing that they would be stronger together, but it never came into fruition
if an multi ethnic empire would have worked out so much would have got better. Not even alot of wars would have been avoided but also the hole area would be richer even austria as it would have also profitet from the economic boom within the empire
As a Croat, if a Slavic state was created inside A-H, I would be happy if the center was in Czechia or Poland, not in Croatia like proposed in this video. Catholic Slavs are more numerous up north, and would be a far greater mass of land and people than what Croatia can expand to (the rest of the peninsula are orthodox or Muslim Slavs and that means either pro-Russian or Ottoman).
Czech and Polish are not mutually intelligible. It would be like making a Franco-Italy.
This would be good because as a Slovak i would have a higher incentive to play as Austria, Bohemia, Galicia, etc in all strategy games because they would essentially all be one country lmao. I know very important
You probably smell bad
Here's a question:
What if Gran Colombia didn't fall / still exist today?
I think he already did this
@@stamatiamichelaki5008 Yeah, he did
What if the Central American Republic still existed?
it would be one of the most powerful countries
@@Darium147 Eh... Latin American culture would have to fundamentally change.
can you make an alternate history scenario on if my parents never divorced? i would be interested in seeing how it would majorly affect global politics.
Alternate timeline where Theodore's Tomfooleries' parents never divorced: *insert picture of futuristic utopian city here
Monsieur Z: What if the United States of Austria worked?
Kaiserreich in the background: psssssssssst...pssssssssssst
Fun fact: If the United States of Greater Austria (or Danubian Federation as I like to call it) would have formed and didn't collapse, it would be Europe's second largest country after Russia.
Love all the countries of the former empire from Hungary :D
Danubean Federations sounds awesome! Like Napoleons Federation of the Rhine.
Love to all the former countries of the empire from Austria!
Its only me that think it should be called United States of Greater Austria and Hungary?
I’m Polish and out of the 3 countries which partitioned us Austria is the one I sort of like, I wouldn’t mind living in a United States of Austria
Sad Hungary noises
We Austrians also like our Catholic Polish brethren.
Long live John Sobieski
germany treating the occupied poles the best be like
@@gamerdrache6076 Austria treated us the best but only because they had no money to police us so we were left alone
@@IhaveBigFeet bro germany made industry austria lfet you didn´t build shit and rusisa took youre stuff
It’s an interesting concept that had the Austro Hungarian empire remained we could have avoided World War II. But with its influence in the Middle East buy a turkey the politics of that region as well as its history Would be vastly different as well. This empire would have control from central Europe across the Black sea in parts of the Mediterranean. These water roots are so important that Russia today is still trying to gain access. Oil reserves that it would command in addition to its hegemony would make it a world power today.
That being said, Soviet Russia would not have allowed that to stand without a fight. Water access and petroleum sales to Europe would have been hotly contested for decades which is why we are seeing their influence in Ukraine, Georgia and now Syria. It’s hard to say that establishment of this empire would have created lasting peace in preventing World War II, or would have created new friction with both Russia and the Allied powers of our timeline in the west. In either case, one man, Francis Ferdinand, just by living, could have changed the modern world.
Not if the German Empire also survives in this timeline, which would be basically a Central Powers victory scenario. But even with the German and Ottoman Empires still collapsing the USGA would remain the guarantor of stability in Central Europe. The main threat would come from the Soviets but the USGA could ally with neighboring countries like Poland and Bulgaria to deter Soviet expansion westward
He should not be attempted to pull the crazy is Serbia into the federation, he was dead, and the postwar history has proved the serbs not Yugoslavia, they just want big Serbia, in fact within the empire ethnic separatist never be a problem, the integration between the various nationalities have long history, I think is too importance to Hungary, Austria Hungary's brutal ethnic policies strengthened the centrifugal force of other ethnic groups, and Austria have no these problems under the governance of territory, ethnic diversity, instead let them more agree with the empire, but after the first world war the collapse of the empire has become a reality, unable to restore the Austria under the governance of territory, because and collapse in Russia, Ukraine, Poles have better choice, Croatia, Slovenia for Serbia with fantasy, and independent of Czechoslovakia makes the possibility of the reconstruction completely wiped out, if can early some influence within the territory of Hungary, Slovakia, Austria Romania national, put them together and Austria may not collapse, Or if Austria had not invaded Bosnia and Herzegovina, he could have divided the other Yugoslav peoples through religion, which would have consolidated the empire, but it fell apart
That's impossible, just today I made a special Austro-Hungary day that I've spent on learning more about Austria-Hungary, listening to AH songs, etc... I even watched your video about "What if AH had colonies"
Damn, I'm lucky
what if austria hungary conquered and annexed thailand?
what if austria hungary conquered and annexed thailand?
@@IndustrialParrot2816 what if Austria Hungary became an actual colonial Empire
@@ladahieno2382 your right
How about 'What if Manchukuo survived?' or 'what if Manchukuo was internationally recognized?'
Big implications for China's future if they don't have an industrial base.
I thought Guangxi was the industrial base of inter-war and post-war China?
@@theStormWeaver didn't the Japanese fully industrialize manchuria and it had lots of resources right?
Kaiser Wilhelm II No, 90% of Manchuria’s industry was stripped by the Soviets when they handed it over to the communists.
@@aii_penguin9096 my mistake then, I never heard about that. Just the Japanese Industrializing the region and it being given to the communists after. There still must have been plenty of resources tho.
There would be a 3 Chinas argument, as Manchuria would probably try and claim to be the true successor of the Qing Empire.
Honestly as a Croat replacing the name with "Danube" and de-germanize/de-madgyarize the federation I would be all for it.
EDIT: All languages would be made equal but Latin should be the lingua de franca of the empire like e.g. in the military.
As a Swiss, just use latin.
Has worked for 700 years and about 17 Civil wars.
Well that and decentralise propperly.
T h i c c danube.
@@nietname2468 Latin isn't going to be readily available for everyone especially at the beginning but it should suffice for e.g. parliament to discuss and then journalists to translate it.
Now modern times I don't think it will be a problem, I know 3 languages and so do many people around the world.
@@overlord165 not as a language in use, just use it for the official Name, as common neutral ground, in Parlament let all speak their languages, no point in forcing someone that not speaks well german or hungarian or etc. to speak one specific language in a Setting that requires skill and rethoric.
Also schools teach first local local language, then local subdivision dominant language then german /hungarian.
This Way you allow people to A Form strongest local ties , B protect local traditions which is important, C integrate them due to multilingualism better market access for workers allowing for a stronger economy.
Not to mention such a School System that would probably be quite extensively funded.
@@nietname2468 What part of "de-germanize and de-madgyarize" don't you understand? Of course all languages should be allowed especially in the parliament but an Italian might not understand a Croat and vice versa if they are holding a discussion. But regardless a language, that is not German nor Madgyar, should be available and would multiply the effects on your list especially in the military.
It's funny, I did a paper revolving around this concept for my History class in college. The concept was "If you were transported back to 1900, what would you do?"
It was highly unrealistic, but I made my professor laugh so much beacuse of all the jokes I hid in it that he said she shared it with her fellow professors and they all loved it.
This Federation looks absolutely gorgeous
- Me, fellow Austrian native
*Edit: What hell did I start with this comment?!*
O h n o
I think the same all territory of Austro-Hungarian is in EU today,so we were Europe, before EU.
Reunite the empire? (Hungarian here)
@РИМСКО-ПРАВОСЛАВНАЯ fine by me tbh. Uniting Hungary and Austria would be enough for me.
The destruction of the Austro Hungarian empire was made on purpose by the allies, Austria-hungary was the most progressive, diverse and jewish-friendly state of Europe, its role was to protect its smaller nations within it from the other European powers who wanted to destroy it to turn eastern europe into their playground, and they did it.
The nationalistic movements in both hungary and the other states are simply sad, i remember a quote said by the ruler of the czech republic after Germany annexed Austria:
"Better Hitler than a Habsburg".
What if all of the British colonies in North America joined the revolution?
Yes
Canada would be American. This would make the US slightly more powerful. But I don't think it would change the world THAT much. The US being the worlds largest country area wise, surpassing even Russia could be a nice little prestige boost perhaps. But other than that I personally think world history would pan out similarly. The only major impact outside of north America I can see is that the British empire would be sightly weaker. Maybe that could have some unexpected consequences. I also think it's very possible that the french language in Quebec would be a lot less prevalent. In Canada it could remain an important and major language. But in a much larger US it would with time become pretty irrelevant. A lot more english speakers could also move to Quebec from the rest of this larger US with ease.
@@Neatling *Imagine the oil and natural gas production tho*
@Neatling I think the War of 1812 might have gone differently though, who knows what knock-on effects that could have.
Adam Chevalier I don’t think their would even be a war of 1812
What if Hungary's jagileon dynasty ruller didn't die without a hier
Ottomans wouldn't have risen and Austria would have been a silly Archduchy, Prussia wouldn't have been given to Brandenburg and the PLC would have probably blobbed uncontrollably into Russia and possibly even defended the HRE from France
@@4fallschirmjager Nah, the OP was already a great power, that ascendancy was inevitable with it's controll over trade, I'm not sure if it wouldn1t be even stornger, since the Jagello Juggernaught would not be as teasing a target as the often battered austrians. In fact , the occupation of Hungary was a net loss for the turks, it cost more to maintain than it gave back, it rebelled every other week and swallowed giant armies one after another. It might have been more advantegous for them to concentrate on defense and throw their massive strength at persia or expand southwards into Africa and then India.
@@4fallschirmjager Austria would have concentratet on italy and on the HRE and they would have probably united it
Jagellos on the hungarian throne were weak and the kingdom was a whole big mess by that point with too powerful nobles. Me as a hungarian I prefer the Habsburgs they may be cruel sometimes but they knew how to rule.
Now this is the United States of *Greater* Austria
The fact that FranzJoseph lived for so long especially for his time is beyond comprehension, he lived through ruling 2 empires, the rapid industrialisation of Europe and most of the Great War
You know what really grinds my gears. Z using world maps when some small things change in the Balkans.
Beautiful... I wish this happened, I as a Croat would be so happy about it.
Stockholm syndrome.
@@sranmirkov4458 chill :)
San ti se ostvario. U EU živiš 😮🙂🤭
@@QuantumRockAndRoll bas i ne, izbjegli bi zadnjih 100 godina... to mi je preljepo.(sorry notifikacija kasni)
@@AirWolf2301 Sve je to proces u životu, bila država ili čovjek. Da li bi nam bilo bolje da je bilo drugačije i nije bilo Jugoslavija npr., je teško za reći. Bitno da su se izvukle pouke! A kad dođe ljeto u Hrvatskoj, pogotovo na Jadranu, dođu ljudi iz svih dijelova EU. Gledajući tu raznolikost i zadovoljstvo na licima ljudi ja osobno ipak imam dojam da se nešto naučilo iz "trnovite" povijesti da, ako ništa barem na par mjeseci Hrvatska živi prosperitet.
so austria could have single handedly stopped ww2 from happening .... how ironic
How do you keep making such detailed, interesting topics that I want to learn more about every single week? I dont know but keep up the good work man 👍
Passion, research, and hard-work. Thanks for the support, man.
It don't understand how you didn't mention Romanians in Transylvania, or Transylvania for that matter, at all. They were quite a large ethnic group, with no related ethnic group inside the empire, well except other Romanians in Bucovina in the Austrian part of the Empire, and the small number of Italians on the other side of the Empire, but with a separate state on the border of the Empire. Especially considering the proposal you are talking about was proposed by a Transylvanian Romanian politician, Aurel Popovici, and as far as I know was quite popular amongst Transylvanian intellectuals prior to the Great War as unification with Romania seemed impossible at that time. I might be biased being Romanian and from Transylvania myself, but still, I think we're relevant enough to the subject to have been mentioned :D
@magicblanket just saying, we later fought for Bukovina and Transylvania, it isn't like only because we rejoined the last day we got that land
Italian and Dalmatian are related to Romanian. And tho Romanians formed a large ethnic group in Transylvania and Bukovina, their numbers were still nothing compared to Slavs, Germans and Hungarians.
it was a very rich and beautiful empire. the Anglo-Saxons turned the peoples of the empire against each other. that's how the HAPPY TIMES OF PEACE passed
What if Castille united with Portugal instead of Aragon?
I'd think that's pretty much impossible to happen, and if it did, they'd revolt just like Iberian Union, and split off.
Bad idea, there would not exist Brasil today...
@@the-mj8rk let's just assumed the factors that cause those revolt didn't exist.
@pootis That would make it a very angry and heretical Castille
The first thing I got in my mind is that spain sailed west because the african coast was already controlled by portugal and the eastern mediterranean by the muslims. Having the two kingdoms joining means that spain would not be the first in discover america. But it would be interesting seeing an empire mixing the two og conquistadores without competition between them.
At first glance, I actually thought the title read, "What If The United States Of *America* Worked." That may well be a topic for a future video! lol But, seriously, cool video! It was interesting!
If we actually kept federalism as a force, we may well have worked.
It kinda is. Alot actually
I love it! And here are the lists that I want to see the future video.
1. What if Korean Empire never fails.
2. What if Korea becomes the colony of France?
3. What if Japan becomes the colony of the USA?
4. What if Xinhai Revolution failed?
5. What if Two Sicilian Empire had a colony or refuse to united with Italian Empire?
6. What if Ethiopia was the superpower in the African continent?
7. What if Park Chunghee survives in the 10/26?
8. What if General MacArthur drop nukes in Manchuria(or China?)
9. Fascist Korea
10. What if Civil cause the World War?
11. What if Japan invade Australia?
Agree i find the lack of korean content disturbing
emelgiefro Well that because I’m a Korean lol. :)
Who wants some Korean content?
Z J I Yeah, sometimes.
@@user-kt8yp5ho2y i noticed i can see the korean symbols/alphabet
Korea is a really cool place to learn about. Korea is more than just the commie and capitalist divide and ww2 war crimes commited there on the civilian population
If koreans want to learn about our countries we can at least show respect and learn about your country and maybe create new friendships between our countries
What if Austria-Hungary was made of chocolate?
If this idea worked, I would be living in Europe still.
What if the Holy Roman Empire unified into one large state rather than many smaller ones.
The beauty of the Germans was their Greekness. Many city-states self-sufficient and loosely tied. Their attempt to be Roman is what ruined them. The HRE was a beautiful place full of quirky people and once Germany unified all of that ended.
@@4fallschirmjager i think the reason why Germany was so powerful when unified is because every little kingdom developed and strengthend itself and not all resources were put in just one main city.
@@4fallschirmjager I disagree. Germany reached it's full potential in Second Empire.
@@maedhrosthetallsonoffeanor8753 second Reich?
@@htoodoh5770 yea
the first being the holy roman empire
the second being the german empire
the third being the nazi's
Very fascinating possibilities in this video. I like it very much, especially in that the Empire is essentially transformed into a federal constitutional republican monarchy. Well done! Please keep the outstanding videos coming and God bless you and your team, my friend!
This has now made me want a "What if Britain formed an Imperial Federation" video, great job!
(a sequel to what if the Americas were never colonised would be great too)
If the U.S, of Austria had existed, it will be a Constitutional Monarchy and a Federation. The title of Emperor would be abandon and replace with King. Due to it being located mostly in Central Europe, the USA will be a powerful country. German will be one of the national legal languages. Overtime, USA will become a country like Switzerland.
The fact that this USA would really have invented burgers due to its german population
What does being located mostly in Europe have to do with Emperor? The Habsburgs would most definitly keep the title of Emperor.
@@panzerbanz7296
Empires have an expansionist stance. Turning Austria-Hungary into a Constitutional-Monarchical Federation would mean they would stop advancement into other territories. Also Empires usually centralize power, which is exactly the opposite of what a federation is supposed to be.
So Der Kaiser would be replaced with Der König (The King).
What if the Austro-Prussian war never happened? Or what if Austria won the Austro-Prussian war?
Croatian-Slovakian-Bohemian-Austria-Hungarian-Yugoslavian-Romanian Empire
-Polish-Ukrainian-Moravian--Bosnian*
It would've stayed together if it was made of chocolate
I don’t think the USA or practically any other European power would be happy if Germany started wars for colonial holdings or even gained them peacefully. I only really see it happening as a possible “temporary” solution in China and that’s almost equally unlikely. Without Finland and the Baltic states being easy targets the USSR might turn its attention towards the Middle East and China. This could bring the USSR even more to bear and possible either a proxy war would start or the USSR would outright get involved with the communists in China. I could also see the USSR focusing more on Iran and Afghanistan and possibly trying to pressure Turkey, the problem with Iran and Afghanistan is the UK, specifically in Iran’s case. This could lead to a Second World War against the USSR and with possibly Germany and Italy taking advantage of the situation. This could lead the Austrian eastern states to stay neutral for a while until it became no longer a option as well Germany would still want Danzig and to unit “all Germans” and Italy would likely want the Croatian coast. This would bring the war to them and honestly I’m unsure who would win. I think the Allies and the Austrian powers would as they would be able to clear the Soviets possibly quite quickly out of colonial holdings and with the Axis on a two front war (bear in mind the Austrians would be to) could lead to Italy and then Germany falling. I feel like the Soviet’s would get off lightly at first with minor concessions near Murmansk and Leningrad as well as a independent Ukraine and full withdrawing from China. The Italians would likely have to give up Libya and East Africa to the British and, Rhodes to the Greeks and Trentino-Alto Adige to the Austrians. Germany would probably be occupied as per our to line but it might even be split up. Without many threats in Europe and Austria practically taking its place there would be no need for a whole strong Germany. Bavaria would likely be a Austrian supervised state, the saar going to France and the Rhineland being it’s supervised state and Hanover being the British supervised state while the Americans (if they ever join) would probably create a independent Prussian republic. Poland would also take Koenigsberg and rename it to Królewiec. I have no idea what Japan would be up to in this timeline. However I assume their focus in China would clash a lot with the soviets and this brining them against the USSR as well and possibly even taking Vladivostok, however unlikely. More likely is Japan would have border skirmishes with them in Mongolia and needing the Allies to win but not necessarily wanting to help them would probably stay neutral.
Interesting ideas. I've been interested in Austria-Hungary since I first stumbled across it in history class decades ago. It's an intriguing puzzle, for which there doesn't seem to be a workable solution. By WW1, the Empire was such a multi national mess that it was unsustainable. The turmoil within the Empire and the Balkans was a direct cause, or at least a significant factor in setting off WW1. If there had been some way to solve the Austria-Hungary problems, perhaps WW1, as well as subsequent WW2, could have been prevented.
So if I had been in charge, what would I have done?
In essence, I'd have had a yard sale of various territories.
I'd give the majority Italian areas to Italy, with a joint treaty that Italy would forever recognize the new border, and Austrian control or access to Trieste so Austria would have a port on the Mediterranean. These areas are relatively small, and would not be much of a loss, especially if I can secure Austria's southern border.
I'd let Croatia become it's own independent country, with Bosnia thrown in. This would extract Austria from the Croatian/ Serbian conflict. Let Croatia war with it's southern Slav cousins, while Austria gets to stay out, maybe only offering occasional military supplies as support to Croatia.
It would be best to cut loose the Ukrainians of East Galicia, the Poles of West Galicia, and the Slovakians to form their own separate nation states, or in the case of the Poles and Ukrainians to join with ethnically similar neighboring territories. The Hungarians and Romanians would have to come to some sort of mutually agreed upon division of their intermingled lands, but again, Austria could remain out of the conflict.
This would leave the German/Austrian areas, the Czech lands of Bohemia and Moravia, and Slovenia. Both the Czechs and Slovenians are the most westernized of the Slavic people, and easiest to accommodate or assimilate. In addition, I would promote a vast resettlement of the scattered German people throughout the Eastern lands, encouraging them to move to the the remaining core of smaller, but more compact Austria.
The new Austria would consist of the combined area of modern Austria, Tyrol, Czech Republic, and Slovenia.
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So you would almost completely dissolve the empire? Also the remaining ethnicities would probably rebel after seeing that they are the only ones that didn't get freedom.
I have been trying to Find a video about this for so long thank you monsieur Z
My pleasure, pal.
What if Russian Empire won the Crimean War? You know, the cold weather cause Russia won just like the Napoleon.
ROK Ball But.. Crimea has an average winter temperature of 4 degrees Celsius which is like 40 or something in Fahrenheit and It’s mountainous which is very different from the flat plains of Moscow and Central Europe and asia
dude why y'all still believe this crap? We russians ain't no supermen, we can freeze over just like other people (look up poor bastards from the Winter war).
Uneducated.
@@jamsbar7 Crimea can get very cold also despite it's average temperature, but the upper commenter don't know how warfare work.
What if The Warsaw Uprising succeeded?
Laughs in new polish-soviet war/battle
@ElectroPea15 but what if they had nukes
@ElectroPea15 what of they against the Soviet instead of the Germany
What if the Meji restoration never happened
So the pro-shougunate forces won? Basically Emperor stays a figurehead, shogun is super powerful, Japan would probably still modernize anyways, though with some differences.
The Emperor of Austria: "Diversity is our strength!"
What if the mongol empire discovered Alaska?
You killed me by making Jagiełło a “Jyggalian” :D
Eh I'm just gonna say the Jaggy dynasty
The only true USA
I have to say multiethic Empires in Europe workout out for quite some time. The Habsburg-Empire existed for hundreds of years and only at the end if was called Austria-Hungary to give credits to two of the many Nationalities, but neglecting the rest. The problem was, that NATIONALISM seemed like a new, modern thing back then. Nationalism was the problem killing the multiethic, multireligious, multilinguistic countries. It was a fever in the 19th and 20th century. But now in a globalized world we understand that small nations are having a hard time only by themselves.
Do a remake of What if europe became a super state
So if the U.S. of Austria would've, we would get an Austrian-centric version of the Intermarium.
it would probably be called the Danubian Federation
romanians and slovenians : " guess i wont exist
Romanians are three similar ethnic groups that got tired of being ruled by other countries so they banded together and the Slovenes are just Italo-Austro-Slavs.
@Jack 793 Chips Yes, that's why I call them Slavs.
@Jack 793 Chips
They were happy in neither.
Na you’d be fine. Just not a Romanian either Wallachian, Moldavian or Transylvanian. But Transylvania might be just Hungary. Whatever way you’ll be fine 😅
@@KheptlaxaXonu What the fuck is an "Austro" then but a mix of Slavic, Celtic and Germanic?
What if Cao Cao won at Red Cliffs?
Technically speaking, this is really “What if the United States of Austria even got to form?” because having a never-formed country succeed implies that it got to form and didn’t fail “immediately”. However I wouldn’t go so far as to a successful United States of Austria would preempt a second Great War entirely with Russia still going Communist in the same timeline; maybe the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth attempts to return as a Fascist state with Italian help, Germany being spared from Fascism by a strong German-led nation emerging from the war.
But idea is interesting: what if... considering that, at that time, Russia was in huge mess, and only opposing threat can be considered from Germany. But, for the sake of argument, lets assume AH survived and expanded (countries that were under AH dominance + countries that would perhaps joined /as mentioned in video), creating big state through Central Europe. Germany probably wouldn't consider attack that big state, especially due to historical ties with Austria, and wouldn't see AH as a threat. Russia, at that time, wouldn't consider attacking Poland (considering Poland as part of AH empire), since Germans didn't start the war (in this scenario). If Russia had interest, than it was south parts (Black sea area), weather because of richness of natural resources or/and big crops flatlands. But should not be forgotten that Russia didn't have modern army at that time (their army was vast in numbers, but not modernized; shouldn't be forgotten fact that todays USA gave huge logistic and equipment help to Russia during WW2, in so called "loan and lease agreement" - in this scenario that doesn't happen), so it is reasonable to assume that Russia wouldn't risk by attacking anyone, thinking through that timeline, and it would be easily assumed that WW2 wouldn't happen, at least not nearly in this extent as it was...
A federation would solve the ethnic conflicts, but the Empire would decline in power through this decentralization and become unstable again and the states would break away.
I see the Trialist idea of an Austria-Hungary-Croatia as the better option because all the other different peoples would probably get autonomous regions within the Empire, but only Austria, Hungary and Croatia serving as actual entities.
The best version of Trialism is the suggestion made by Dr Nikola Bjelovučić, who suggested following territories for each entity:
Austria / Lands of the Imperial Crown:
- German Austria
- Bohemia and Moravia
- Galicia
Hungary / Lands of the Crown of Saint Stephen:
- Hungary
- Transylvania
- Slovakia and Zakarpatia
- Bachka, Baranja and Banat
Croatia / Lands of the Crown of Zvonimir:
- Croatia-Slavonia
- Dalmatia
- Bosnia and Herzegovina
- Istria and Rijeka
- Slovenia
- Trieste
Territories like Trieste, Vojvodina, Podrinje etc. would enjoy certain autonomy within the three entities.
Anyways, nice video
To bi čak i funkcioniralo, mada bi bilo bolje da je Austrougarska anektirala Srbiju i onda napraviti Srpsko-Hrvatski entitet unutar nje. To bi tada funkcioniralo.
You refering it as better option only because you Croat. Stick your nationalism to your ashole and go away
Just a question
What would happen to srem? You say bachka, banat and baranja would be hungary and Vojvodina autonomous but srem was part of croatia if I remember correctly
So basically just give autonomy to Croatia and not change anything? Yeah that's a very bad idea.
Why isn't bohemia represented in the thumbnail flag?
Good question
The rather obscure idea that the United States of Greater Austria was sort of a blueprint - among many blueprints - for the EU.
I believe you meant to say,
_Jagiellonian_ regarding Poland, not Jagiellian.
Also, mentioning the threat of armed Hungarian nationalism in the AH Empire without even mentioning _any_ of the three wars of Italian independence the House of Savoy, the later Kingdom of Italy, _actually_ fought against the AH Empire is surprising.
What if Austria-Hungary intervened in the Franco Prussian war
Person:Hey where do you live?
Other Person:The USA
Person:Oh so you’re American?
Other Person:No I’m from the United States of Austria
An alternative to simply Wilson's hand, I'd say the allies could've had a vested interest in keeping the Austrian Empire united to contain communism.
Through that, it's likely that they'd be able to offer proper support to the whites in the Russian civil war, avoiding the rising of the USSR altogether.
What if after ww2,germany became a monarchy
@Alex 1324 whillhelm the 2nd
@@Czar_hunter6058 Wilhelm the 3rd
@@thorpeaaron1110 yes
@@thorpeaaron1110 no princess victoria? :(
@@thorpeaaron1110 Louise Ferdinand would be the heir after Wilheim III
Blessed Timeline
So basically austria would do the same thing that we see in Kaiserreich
they would be bigger as all eastern european states would have allied them to get help against sovietunion and germany + austria would be a good friend of USA,France and England even thought they had a big war and Germany would be biggest rival as austria had backstapped them with seperate peace and caused the defeat of the german empire
@@christian9125abd And forget, you would've had some Austrians Wanting to join the the German Enpire.
BOHEMIA NEVER FALLS.
In this timeline, would Hitler pursue an art career or would he still get into politics?
art.
What if the habsburg candidate won the Polish lithuanian royal elections and integrated them to their realms
austro-hungario-polish-lithuanian commonwealth?
It would have the biggest upperhouse to ever exist.
SO many nobles
1000th comment 🥳
Great video btw
It wasn't a given that AH would disintegrate, which only happened because it lost WW1. The UK at the same time consisted of four countries, and while most of Ireland left shortly afterwards, 100 years later, the UK still consists of three and a quarter countries.
it ended bcs it sucked, they werent trying to modernize, they kept absolutism and wanted it to continue and oprress minorities with minimum autonomy. It offered some level of autonomy last months of war. If Karl offered it in 1916 many of the czechs, slovaks croats, poles .... would be satisfied and stopped fighting against it, but it tried to control it completly but ended up with loosing it completly.
The Habsburgs were good, devout catholic leaders. Looking back, a united states concept with us Croatians and Austrians would have been good. Our royal bloodline married into the Habsburgs, the heir is alive and well, racing in f3, he was baptised in Zagreb, Ferdinand Zvonimir Habsburg. One can dream 🤣
mate I'm american and I'm dreaming of it.
there wasn`t any "croatian royal boodline"
Great video Mr. Z. I would propose and alternative name to the state though. The Danubian Confederation or Federation of the Danube.
This was an idea entertained by some Hungarian nobles and politicians in the past.
I think România might join this federation if transilvania ka doing well as a state within the empire
Did he make "what happened if Austria-Hungary was made of chocolate"?
Wouldn't this proposal of a United States of Greater Austria during the war piss off Italy, Serbia, and Romania since they had claims on their lands or would they just accept it since the alternative would be the animosity of the entire Entente, including the US?
Oh it'd 100% piss off those 3, but then again IRL they already angered italy by only giving them Zara, Istria, and South Tyrol, Romania I'd say would have little say in it given they got destroyed and only joined the day before the armistice, and as for Serbia... well it wouldn't be the first time the entente reneged on a promise.
What if Hamlin became president after Lincoln instead of Johnson?
What if Naples got its own local monarchy and United Italy?
Me in HoI4: Let’s do it
*AGAIN*
What if Czechoslovakia never surrendered the Sudetenland to the Germans?
The thumbnail flag is weird because its represents Austria,Hungary,Croatia(maybe south slav),Slovakia,And Greece???????????What about the Ukrainians,Italians,Poles,And Czechs
greece? No the last is serbian flag. But I understand you, this flag has no sense, why serbs (historical enemy of austrian empire) should be represent and romanian and czech not?
@@ivanhus3852 yup
@@ivanhus3852 and the design look's ugly it would be so long and thin
We need another autonomous region for the Romanians in Transylvania and that country would be perfect.
"Jagiellonian"
Monsieur Z: Yeah, Jageelian
I would relly like to see that time line
would the Waimar still Fall?
Would Germany join the Austrians?
Would Germany became a Constituional Monarchy?
Would there even be a second great war or would ther only be a German/Autrian Russian war?
What if Paraguay won the Paraguayan War
Perhaps, United States of central Europe. Not Austrian. Even now, Austria is far away from former lands of empire, always did. Even visegrad group is without Austria.
Hungaria din't have croatia as it's own land both were indepedent kingdoms sharing same ruler