7:26 "Is it an explode on impact type of thing?" Gee, I wonder if bombs that heavily resemble landmines fired from a weapon called the Mine Layer would act like landmines?
yeah I really, REALLY don't understand people that do/use things without reading how to use them first, like, if you have a short manual on how to use a machine why would you try and operate it and learn how to use it with trial and error??
@@maestrofeli4259 Lmao I remember getting so angry at people who wouldn't know how to play a game on Roblox even though the controld were in the description
Not only do the weapons seemingly exclusively use stolen models from the TF2 Gamebanana, the "balancing" they have is that "if every weapon is overpowered, nothing is."
Randomizer is THE best in this game because EVERYTHING has animations on every class. shotgun on demo? Proper reloading and hold animations. Flamethrower on heavy? Yep, animations. It is SOOOO sexy. The extra modes are where this game shines. Also there are some custom weapons servers out there too that are pretty cool
Not to mention in TF2c Randomizer, it also randomizes player aspects, with up to 7 total randomizations (including weapon changes) as far as I'm aware. I think possible changes are Primary Weapon Secondary Weapon Tertiary (melee) Weapon Health Speed Health Regeneration Weapon Ammo Weapon Damage (Rare, as far as I know) Fired projectiles (Bullets / hitscan, Rockets, RPGs, etc) Projectile Speed Projectile Gravity and a couple more things I didn't list Only exclusions I'm aware of, as far as I know, are Spy's Disguise Kit and Watch, though I'm pretty sure the Invis Watch also has special attribute randomization possibilites, such as cloak speed and cloak time.
It also is amazing how well the regular TF2 game in this version runs when all the insane hats and cosmetics are just gone. It feels like older, 2010-ish TF2 when the game didn't have insane levels of hats and other items so the game ran really well even on lower end hardware. I also noticed sentries don't build in a weird FPS it's smooth as butter. This should be a feature introduced into TF2 proper, a no hat mode or whatever, something so that lower end hardware isn't strained as much.
It'd make the hat obsessors seethe because nobody can see their cosmetics, also they're running butter smooth so they get high fps, no input lag, and are able to hit the shots, because there's no paid for effects which chug older rigs
Tbh.....I don't think all of the cosmetics are bad, but I do think the paints and some really out of place cosmetics are bad for the game. Spy for example, stuff like the Fancy Fedora, Backbiter's Billycock, Camera Beard, Frenchman's Beret, Detective Noir, Rogue's Col Roule, Intangible Ascot, Cut Throat Concierge, Blood Banker (I could go on but I think you get the idea) all of these things don't look too far out of place for the art style of TF2. If they just rolled with that for every class I think it would have been fine. A little customization isn't a bad thing.
Valve would never officially introduce a no-hat mode since that would basically undermine the entire reason why people would want to buy their hats and impact their sales.
Here’s to hoping that valve realizes that this is a simple community made game that gets no money out of making it and is made by people that genuinely love the base game, but are sick of the state it’s in and want to make a version that they have control over.
Well considering it’s valve I’d be shocked if they didn’t. They let people sell a remake of their most important game. Because valve asked them to. They’re generally a reverse Nintendo.
From a video I watched about when it was originally taken down it made it seem like Valve had to enforce their copyright or it would become void. I imagine the people who actually program at valve don't really care to much about this.
I love VIP mode in TF2Classic. It honestly helps flesh out classes like Spy and Pyro in their roles, as spy is good for VIP picks and Pyro is good for defending the VIP. Also love how they made flame particles not obscure the whole screen.
The Hunting Revolver if anything seems like a version of Ambassador that is as unfair and overpowered as people thought the old ambassador was. You do more damage on a headshot, get a semi-zoom to make headshots easier, do 40 body-shot damage at any range, and can do consecutive headshots faster without the spread recovery that the ambassador has. Just seems kinda broken.
One difference, you are not the spy. Sniper has a hard time getting out of dodge when caught, Spy meanwhile not only has medic walking speed, but also can go invisible/dead ringer out of a bad spot with added damage resistance. This rifle looks balanced in that you now play more mid range, but give up going for 50-450 damage to only 40 or 120 damage.
@@Spiffyo Spy back then had the same movement speed as sniper. That buff came after they nerfed the Ambassador. And sure, you have stealth or the DR, but good luck actually getting out with stealth, and the DR means youre gonna be useless for quite some time as it recharges.
I reccomend also checking out a project called Open Fortress, which was in the exact same situation as TF2 Classic. Essentially, Open Fortress is what you would get if you took TF2 and returned it to it's roots as a Quake mod, replacing the Team-based FPS formula with an Arena FPS formula instead. Hell, the game even has music constantly playing during matches that are remixes of songs from TF2, Quake, Doom, and Doom 2!
The hunting revolver is even more op than the stok sniper rifle... Dps wise it surpasses the smg in the close combat department... AND 120 headshots? Wtf?
You'd think it's OP in concept but in practice it's equipped less than the Huntsman iirc, the fact it can't oneshot is the reason some people don't use it despite a technically higher DPS
Seeing tf2c back is one of the things I most wanted for tf2's future. I still don't expect valve to update there game so I've been waiting for the community versions to return as they have active developers.
The beauty of tf2 classic is it can still be updated with new content. New maps and gamemodes is all it need to mix things up. Hell even new weapons wouldn’t infringe on the spirit of tf2 classic. It’s tf2 without all the artistic clutter. Maybe VSH can become an official game mode.
@@metalandmagic1424 Mid. No it’s cool but it doesn’t feel old school. Not like tf2 classic would have handled it. The Saxton Hale voice lines are too soft. The older ones are tougher, more intimating. The mercs lines are great, a lot of people don’t like them but I love them. The mechanics are also cool.
If this was how the real tf2 looked and played I would never have stopped playing because I could literally go spectator and look at a patch of grass and have a better time than right now in 2022 tf2
Being able to change teams is something i miss the most, i could help out the weaker team, in retail TF2 its just impossible even custom servers block it...
I wish the Hunting Rifle was the default weapon for the sniper. It's fun to use and it encourages the sniper to get close to the action. Perhaps the Hunting Rifle could have crit fall off like the Ambassador to help it from being to much.
@@brightht2324 yeah, just make it the ambassador for the sniper honestly, they wanted to encourage sniper to be an active role in the battle. but nothing really force him to be on the battlefield
I think what COULD be something, albeit incredibly difficult to actually organize and execute, would be a widespread mass protest via… stopping buying and selling items. It’s how valve makes their money off the game, so it IS something. However, the problem would be getting enough players on board to make it work. However the amount of actual difficulty on the end of the individual to just not buy/sell isn’t hard, and there has been a ton of support for SaveTF2, simply making sure you get enough people on-board and “hold the line” makes the idea a real long shot…
@@Unknown_Genius in terms of the menu, TF2C is based on the 2008 source code leak and I can assure you that the game's menu did not look like that in 2008. in terms of the game modes and weapons, doesn't matter whether or not they existed previously, effort was still spent coding them in. yes, the majority of the code is still created by Valve. yes, it's copyright infringement. but you're making it sound like absolutely zero effort was put in by the TF2C team.
@@soggybreadman4035 At least it shakes up the meta. Honestly, I preferred the 2012-2013 era of TF2 which was full of imbalanced loadouts and weapons. TF2 was much better before the competetive scene pushed Valve to make a bunch of balance changes which ultimately took out a lot of the fun.
Agree with you on the pessimism side for #saveTF2, i do not think valve simply saying they are gonna do something is a victory, because theyve *said* theyll do something before, and then nothing came of it
The other thing I love about TF2 classic attention to detail is the burning death-animations. They are VERY dramatic as they should be if someone dies by fire.
The fire particles in TF2c are the old TF2 fire particles (because TF2c uses an old version of TF2). Pyro's flamethrower is also as broken in TF2c as it used to be before TF2's Jungle Inferno. It's okay tho, the devs can only do so much.
It got affected by hackers making fake servers :( (basically, it’ll show “lewd” images for your weapon slots and say your files on your computer are encrypted, but they’re not encrypted so don’t worry. Check the the subreddit for official/trusted servers that don’t download files that brick the game or affect your experience)
I always wanted to make a vid on this mod, but then Valve shut them down. So excited to see it's back and now I have a chance to play it! Thanks for making a vid to get out the word it's back!
it was always up on an unofficial mirror which is most likely what kept the game alive during this ordeal open fortress had a mirror too but it was way more obscure and so the game is dead now :(
i would rather valve never work on another game or project ever again, but TELL us that. radio silence is just them going: "we've got a good reputation, let's not ruin it by telling our fans the truth"
that sniper rifle still has issues but is definitely more balanced. Sure at low level its stronger but you cant one shot any class from across the map and the two hits for light classes is far slower than the time for a sniper main to quick scope
The Sticky bomb launcher was throwing out land mines that detonate if someone gets close. Trying to detonate them just deletes them because its just a way of being able to place them on new spots.
tbh I think the only way for SaveTF2 to work is instead of making a hashtag every player that was already a part of SaveTF2 just doesn't spend ANY money on the game until Valve makes a statement. I don't mean stop playing, just don't buy stuff, if you play that means that the servers have to be upkept and if you don't spend anything then they're being kept up for nothing, the only way to make a company fall to its knees is to punch its wallet, not its PR
something i really love is the FOV slider that lets you make the fov up to 130,as someone used to 120-150,105 gets old fast when playing the game vanilla.
i'm curious. How is the hunting rifle more "fair" than the ambassador? First. damage. The amby has a fairly low damage as a revolver, with the exception for headshot damage. And even then only does 102. While the hunting rifle does 120, has a zoom in, and has no timer where some shots will not go in a straight line. Utility. The hunting rifle can headshot, just whenever, and dealing more damage overall than the amby. The amby has a waiting period where your shot, even if dead on the head, will go sideways like a cartoon bullet. So i'm confused. Edit: if we are calling the amby not fair, then the hunting rifle is fuckin BUSTED
To give you an idea of my intelligence level, I just spent almost an hour trying to install this after hearing that TF2 Classic is back. The entire time, I was trying to install and run Open Fortress.
They don't care enough to put something into their actual game and support it more, but they care enough about someone making a good little mod of it... very interesting.
hunting revolver s actually existed imagine a musket but it shoots as fast a revolver. one problem with it was that it could chain fire so it chain fired it shred your hand straight into dust
I commented on some tweets that if the mission of Save TF2 was to have a reaction from Valve: Mission success. if the mission was to get Valve to use their fuck off money to fix and improve Team Fortress 2 (the bot situation, something like putting Arena in Alternative game modes and making the Graveyard Dispenser ghosts be Dispenser Drones would help the game mode out, Territory Control going from 10 second capture rate to 45 seconds capture rate would improve it immensely and grant people enough time to react to attempted capture instead of blitzing it, something with Robot destruction would also be great) and some weapons getting tweaked would be a good start, not immediately asking for something like the Frontline, Galaxy Frontier or the Heavy update, that should come later quality of life updates are a priority. basically, ask for little Quality of life updates instead of some MEGA Content updates.
I personally think a lot of the dead modes like Arena and Robot Destruction wouldn't be very good even with some changes. I do really want quality of life updates, I think some big things would be to improve default settings, finish the darn tutorials, and add more HUD options without needing to install custom HUDS. New maps and modes are okay but what I really want is balance updates and new weapons.
@@iminumst7827 Agreed about the quality of life stuff, better default settings with even more choice for FOV sliders, HUD options choice(Default Mann Co, Merc Class specific, Retro/Quake, Classic/Half Life, Invasion/Sci fi, Frontline/WW1&2 Army themed and even make HUD options a new workshop category to vote on.) For me, Weapon TWEAKS as well as game mode and map tweaks(what I suggested for Arena with the drones and to be part of the alternate game modes and Territory control capture rate tweaks) are in MY opinion only thing possible with current Valve relationship towards Team Fortress 2 aka barely any, so taking it slow and easy with the updates is needed. something like updates that add new maps, game modes and weapons additions need a Heavy update or Blue Moon tier update, while we can only get some tweaks to the already existing game modes and cheating security updates from current Valve.
Good luck with the bot situation, look at many F2P games that are popular... they have these issues. Cheaters infinitely can make and test new cheats, botters can make and test new bots just the same.
The only way to make an effective call to valve to rescue the game would be through an actual protest: have people not play the game for a while, or better yet, stop buying/selling cosmetic on the market and stop buying keys for crates for a while, en masse. You have to hurt the executives pockets, even just a bit, for the executives to care. Which is unlikely to ever actually be done.
The “I’m doing X if you don’t like it say something” email tactic is something you will use a lot. I work with clients/employees and I have deadlines to meet and I can’t wait around for your email. So yes it does hold.
One of the major flaw in tf2c is that it's core gamemode (I believe) is custom weapons game which the dev add-in and A LOT of them a severely broken, literally OP. The amount of explosive weapons given to every class is just disgusting and don't even get me started on the pyro's flame particle
Now they just need to do the quality of life things, like gun mettle switch speed, add the array of weapons we have and make them usable *cough pomson vita saw bison most of the fucking weapon arsenal*
the teleporters do have the animation! at the entraces you turn into your team color sparks in the outline of your class and then all the particles fall
We did get the tf2 account to announce an update, its been about a week sense. I'd give it another week for them to implement some kind of update and if not we go back to protesting and this time not stopping until something actually happens.
Really glad to see that more people are able to play TF2C now as somebody who was playing since the downloads went down.I really love some of the improvements and fixes in TF2C and I really wish we could have at least this stuff in normal TF2. It's a shame that Valve still hasn't responded to the arrangement with TF2C and Open Fortress. BTW, TF2C has it's own modded servers, with the custom weapons servers getting a lot of attention recently.For the normie, there are two different "Custom Weapons" servers, each with their assortment of weapons (One has a lot of weapons and the other has less weapons which feel more unique IMO. You'll know which one you're in). The official VaultF4 servers also have it's on sort of randomizer mode and "2008 Flashback" wich revers some stats to 2008 TF2 instead of modern stats, such as 125 metal teleporters
Some insight into valve. I've read a lot of interviews, it's a developer decision. Valve developers are basically told to do whatever they want, which is why you get things like steam insights and small random updates for their games. Developers could fix the game and actually make it fun again, but they just don't want to
Holy fuck, the medic beams, pyro flames and soldier rockets look absolutely beautiful. Why can't we have like a 'fancy' graphics setting that enables all these and a 'fast' graphics setting that keeps them as they are now.
if you write those commands in the console: r_rootlod 0 ,r_lod 0 , mat_picmip -10 , cl_use_new_impact_effects 1, cl_buriniggibs 1 ,mp_usehwmmodels 1,mp_usehwmvcds 1 characters are using better SFM models for hands and heavy has a better ammo on his chest ,also the game will be using ultra high textures
6:32 THE NORMAL GAME DOES HAVE THIS although it's a really cheap 2d visual that will act like it's landing just after falling a certain distance and can stop in midair so it's pretty shoddy in normal tf2
Holy shit, I have to play Tf2 Classic asap. I just saw three Touhou-themed players in the first game, and that's enough for me. edit: Make that FOUR players
The fact that the classic developers managed to untangle the source spaghetti code is actually a god-like feat, with how poorly optimized and moderated normal tf2 is this is genuinely the only way I can play the game and at this point in time it's probably the definitive way to play the game, even if it is a mod.
What would have been great with TF2 classic is if they actually bothered to animate some reload, firing, weapon animations. Sure they did do that on some weapons but there's just weapons out there that reuse the reloading and firing animation from other weapons. I know it's not a big deal and it's a minor detail. But it makes the weapon feel more alive, rather than being viewd as " It's a reskin but better."
![The Dumbest Force-A-Nature Strategy Ever [TF2]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/W9SrsBMh-r0/mqdefault.jpg)
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Shoutout to the Pyro that just ran straight towards the Level 3 Sentry.
He died a hero.
@@bladewolf7109 he had nothing to lose,it was destroy it or die trying
Oh my god he just ran at it
Legends sarcifice
What a brave Soldier
7:26 "Is it an explode on impact type of thing?"
Gee, I wonder if bombs that heavily resemble landmines fired from a weapon called the Mine Layer would act like landmines?
Its quite fun to use its much nicer for territorial control than stock.
yeah I really, REALLY don't understand people that do/use things without reading how to use them first, like, if you have a short manual on how to use a machine why would you try and operate it and learn how to use it with trial and error??
@@maestrofeli4259 Lmao I remember getting so angry at people who wouldn't know how to play a game on Roblox even though the controld were in the description
@@Kacpa2I hate it because it's a contorted version of my favorite weapon, the Scottish Resistance.
Guaranteed you have asked just as stupid questions millions of times in your life.
The best thing in the game is custom weapon’s and 4 teams on 4-bine. If you play as scout with the Boomstick and the “knife” equipped, it is OP.
what weapons in those custom weapons servers aren't op
@@Dr_Dan_ The ones you don't make the most points off. Which depends on the opposed team.
@@liamthebox the weapons are either cluncky and op to use, or unfun and op, op easy and op to use
Not only do the weapons seemingly exclusively use stolen models from the TF2 Gamebanana, the "balancing" they have is that "if every weapon is overpowered, nothing is."
@@6A5T08WDIa The gamebanana thing is a non-issue tbh
Randomizer is THE best in this game because EVERYTHING has animations on every class. shotgun on demo? Proper reloading and hold animations. Flamethrower on heavy? Yep, animations. It is SOOOO sexy. The extra modes are where this game shines. Also there are some custom weapons servers out there too that are pretty cool
That's honestly so cool. Imagine if actual TF2 got even half of the love a mod did
Not to mention in TF2c Randomizer, it also randomizes player aspects, with up to 7 total randomizations (including weapon changes) as far as I'm aware.
I think possible changes are
Primary Weapon
Secondary Weapon
Tertiary (melee) Weapon
Health
Speed
Health Regeneration
Weapon Ammo
Weapon Damage (Rare, as far as I know)
Fired projectiles (Bullets / hitscan, Rockets, RPGs, etc)
Projectile Speed
Projectile Gravity
and a couple more things I didn't list
Only exclusions I'm aware of, as far as I know, are Spy's Disguise Kit and Watch, though I'm pretty sure the Invis Watch also has special attribute randomization possibilites, such as cloak speed and cloak time.
Some servers have maps with custom weapons.
@@alexrva433 sapper too
It also is amazing how well the regular TF2 game in this version runs when all the insane hats and cosmetics are just gone. It feels like older, 2010-ish TF2 when the game didn't have insane levels of hats and other items so the game ran really well even on lower end hardware. I also noticed sentries don't build in a weird FPS it's smooth as butter. This should be a feature introduced into TF2 proper, a no hat mode or whatever, something so that lower end hardware isn't strained as much.
It'd make the hat obsessors seethe because nobody can see their cosmetics, also they're running butter smooth so they get high fps, no input lag, and are able to hit the shots, because there's no paid for effects which chug older rigs
Tbh.....I don't think all of the cosmetics are bad, but I do think the paints and some really out of place cosmetics are bad for the game.
Spy for example, stuff like the Fancy Fedora, Backbiter's Billycock, Camera Beard, Frenchman's Beret, Detective Noir, Rogue's Col Roule, Intangible Ascot, Cut Throat Concierge, Blood Banker (I could go on but I think you get the idea) all of these things don't look too far out of place for the art style of TF2.
If they just rolled with that for every class I think it would have been fine. A little customization isn't a bad thing.
Ild like maby old cosmetics that actually fits the style as rare drops or acvement stuff
Valve would never officially introduce a no-hat mode since that would basically undermine the entire reason why people would want to buy their hats and impact their sales.
@@ricedanan If EA can make a no cosmetic mode in PVZ garden warfare, Valve can make a no hat mode.
Here’s to hoping that valve realizes that this is a simple community made game that gets no money out of making it and is made by people that genuinely love the base game, but are sick of the state it’s in and want to make a version that they have control over.
Well considering it’s valve I’d be shocked if they didn’t. They let people sell a remake of their most important game. Because valve asked them to. They’re generally a reverse Nintendo.
@@Neogears1312 because that game wasn't made from leaked code
Valve's biggest game is the successor to a Half Life mod
Not only the team behind tf2c isn't making money but probably it's losing money because servers don't just exist to be used.
From a video I watched about when it was originally taken down it made it seem like Valve had to enforce their copyright or it would become void.
I imagine the people who actually program at valve don't really care to much about this.
Alltalk servers, sprays, having more than two rounds before map changes; this is the tf2 I fell in love with
The same. Tho custom weapons servers with bhopping are quite horrible sometimes
I love VIP mode in TF2Classic. It honestly helps flesh out classes like Spy and Pyro in their roles, as spy is good for VIP picks and Pyro is good for defending the VIP.
Also love how they made flame particles not obscure the whole screen.
" is like the ambassador but it's like actually fair" -great blue
intelligent but dumb
What a bad take honestly
@@Artician what a ultra bad take by him honestly.
@@greenoftreeblackofblue6625 What a mega ultra bad take by him truly.
Hes a sniper main so please forgive his brain
The Hunting Revolver if anything seems like a version of Ambassador that is as unfair and overpowered as people thought the old ambassador was. You do more damage on a headshot, get a semi-zoom to make headshots easier, do 40 body-shot damage at any range, and can do consecutive headshots faster without the spread recovery that the ambassador has. Just seems kinda broken.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought this.
The hunting revolver was actually kinda broken when tf2c first launched, but fire rate nerfs actually make it fairly hard to use now.
No one really thought the old ambassador was OP until it actually got nerfed. Then everyone retroactively decided it was OP.
One difference, you are not the spy. Sniper has a hard time getting out of dodge when caught, Spy meanwhile not only has medic walking speed, but also can go invisible/dead ringer out of a bad spot with added damage resistance. This rifle looks balanced in that you now play more mid range, but give up going for 50-450 damage to only 40 or 120 damage.
@@Spiffyo Spy back then had the same movement speed as sniper. That buff came after they nerfed the Ambassador. And sure, you have stealth or the DR, but good luck actually getting out with stealth, and the DR means youre gonna be useless for quite some time as it recharges.
I reccomend also checking out a project called Open Fortress, which was in the exact same situation as TF2 Classic. Essentially, Open Fortress is what you would get if you took TF2 and returned it to it's roots as a Quake mod, replacing the Team-based FPS formula with an Arena FPS formula instead. Hell, the game even has music constantly playing during matches that are remixes of songs from TF2, Quake, Doom, and Doom 2!
I love open fortress so much
It’s not quite as well optimized as tf2c but it’s so much fun
Open fortress is made by the same guys that did tf2c
@Fill Kaggots F it’s actually a lot easier now
open fortress was actually part of tf2 classic way back
Bruh he mentioned it in the vid
The hunting revolver is even more op than the stok sniper rifle... Dps wise it surpasses the smg in the close combat department... AND 120 headshots? Wtf?
You'd think it's OP in concept but in practice it's equipped less than the Huntsman iirc, the fact it can't oneshot is the reason some people don't use it despite a technically higher DPS
Reminds me heavily of Dead Man's Tale from Destiny 2
@@budaluv4698 oh no
@@budaluv4698 God remember when DMT had 150 RPM when hipfiring
@@tangerinepaint3643 I do. It felt so good. I miss it.
The explosion effects, medigun beam, and all the other graphics look so damn good
the only thing i will complain about is a lack of a bright jet plume for rockets. it really throws off my reflect game
Seeing tf2c back is one of the things I most wanted for tf2's future. I still don't expect valve to update there game so I've been waiting for the community versions to return as they have active developers.
The custom grenade launcher animation that makes the grenade launcher actually reload properly makes this mod amazing by itself.
The beauty of tf2 classic is it can still be updated with new content. New maps and gamemodes is all it need to mix things up. Hell even new weapons wouldn’t infringe on the spirit of tf2 classic. It’s tf2 without all the artistic clutter.
Maybe VSH can become an official game mode.
A year later, thoughts on VSH becoming official?
@@metalandmagic1424 Mid.
No it’s cool but it doesn’t feel old school. Not like tf2 classic would have handled it. The Saxton Hale voice lines are too soft. The older ones are tougher, more intimating.
The mercs lines are great, a lot of people don’t like them but I love them.
The mechanics are also cool.
I almost choked on my food when I heard this. Finally TF2c is back.
“They’re the laziest company known to man”
Mobile game developers:am I a joke to you?
If this was how the real tf2 looked and played I would never have stopped playing because I could literally go spectator and look at a patch of grass and have a better time than right now in 2022 tf2
Being able to change teams is something i miss the most, i could help out the weaker team, in retail TF2 its just impossible even custom servers block it...
I wish the Hunting Rifle was the default weapon for the sniper. It's fun to use and it encourages the sniper to get close to the action. Perhaps the Hunting Rifle could have crit fall off like the Ambassador to help it from being to much.
if the sniper is semi competent he would sit from far away just like ambassador spys before the nerf (saying from experience)
That's the main reason why I suggested the crit fall off.
@@brightht2324 yeah, just make it the ambassador for the sniper honestly, they wanted to encourage sniper to be an active role in the battle. but nothing really force him to be on the battlefield
@*aaci and?
@*aaci nah
I think what COULD be something, albeit incredibly difficult to actually organize and execute, would be a widespread mass protest via… stopping buying and selling items. It’s how valve makes their money off the game, so it IS something. However, the problem would be getting enough players on board to make it work. However the amount of actual difficulty on the end of the individual to just not buy/sell isn’t hard, and there has been a ton of support for SaveTF2, simply making sure you get enough people on-board and “hold the line” makes the idea a real long shot…
Valve should honestly absorb the TF2C Developers into the new TF2 dev team
what tf2 dev team
@@tg-sj2nu valve should make a tf2 team*
^
Valve has developers?
@@ghoulbuster1 shit he figured it out
I mean, why doesn't Vale hire the TFC team for TF2 since they're very clearly a development team that cares about the game
Costs money. Tf2 currently doesn't cost them much besides hosting the servers.
@@Unknown_Genius "minimal changes"? They literally added new weapons, new menu UI, an entire new game mode, etc
@@Unknown_Genius in terms of the menu, TF2C is based on the 2008 source code leak and I can assure you that the game's menu did not look like that in 2008.
in terms of the game modes and weapons, doesn't matter whether or not they existed previously, effort was still spent coding them in.
yes, the majority of the code is still created by Valve. yes, it's copyright infringement. but you're making it sound like absolutely zero effort was put in by the TF2C team.
i think everything except the weapons are good
@@soggybreadman4035
At least it shakes up the meta. Honestly, I preferred the 2012-2013 era of TF2 which was full of imbalanced loadouts and weapons. TF2 was much better before the competetive scene pushed Valve to make a bunch of balance changes which ultimately took out a lot of the fun.
@@soggybreadman4035 you forgot the "What if EVERY SINGLE CLASS was Soldier?"
Agree with you on the pessimism side for #saveTF2, i do not think valve simply saying they are gonna do something is a victory, because theyve *said* theyll do something before, and then nothing came of it
here is an update for Dota
I want them to keep going with the movement, keep protesting, I don't care if we never get the heavy update, I just want the game to be playable again
Here is some new crates
The custom weapon servers are so fun
Hunt Down the Freeman: *Is sold on Steam for actual money*
Valve:.....
TF2 Classic: *Exists*
Valve: LISTEN HERE YOU LITTLE SHIT!
The other thing I love about TF2 classic attention to detail is the burning death-animations. They are VERY dramatic as they should be if someone dies by fire.
Damn the fire looks so beautiful in this version of the game
The fire particles in TF2c are the old TF2 fire particles (because TF2c uses an old version of TF2). Pyro's flamethrower is also as broken in TF2c as it used to be before TF2's Jungle Inferno. It's okay tho, the devs can only do so much.
7:00 Tf2c does indeed have the teleporter particles from the beta
It got affected by hackers making fake servers :( (basically, it’ll show “lewd” images for your weapon slots and say your files on your computer are encrypted, but they’re not encrypted so don’t worry. Check the the subreddit for official/trusted servers that don’t download files that brick the game or affect your experience)
Upward with the civilian is one of the most fun game modes I ever played and it's not even official!!!
3:37 did he hit an edgebug?
Holy shit great can’t read the demo weapon he was using is called THE MINE LAYER. You wait for people to step on them lol.
I always wanted to make a vid on this mod, but then Valve shut them down. So excited to see it's back and now I have a chance to play it! Thanks for making a vid to get out the word it's back!
it was always up on an unofficial mirror which is most likely what kept the game alive during this ordeal
open fortress had a mirror too but it was way more obscure and so the game is dead now :(
@@drawter3592 Oh man, I didn't realize that! Thanks for the heads up.
Breaking: Famous TF2 UA-camr Great Blue doesn't know how landmines work.
"is it a uh 'explode on impact' type of thing? like an automatic detonation dealio?" My brother in Christ it's a landmine lol
IKR?!!? OMFG how did he NOT figure that out BY THE NAME AND DESCRIPTION...??? 🤦
Great Blue doesn't know how a land mine works confirmed
i would rather valve never work on another game or project ever again, but TELL us that. radio silence is just them going: "we've got a good reputation, let's not ruin it by telling our fans the truth"
…they do know that not telling us this does even worse for their reputation than just telling us the truth, right?
Well see it was always here, there was a community made website with the latest version of TF2:C before it had gotten taken down.
7:37 "These suck" That's how you know it's balanced LMAO
that sniper rifle still has issues but is definitely more balanced. Sure at low level its stronger but you cant one shot any class from across the map and the two hits for light classes is far slower than the time for a sniper main to quick scope
The Sticky bomb launcher was throwing out land mines that detonate if someone gets close. Trying to detonate them just deletes them because its just a way of being able to place them on new spots.
tbh I think the only way for SaveTF2 to work is instead of making a hashtag every player that was already a part of SaveTF2 just doesn't spend ANY money on the game until Valve makes a statement.
I don't mean stop playing, just don't buy stuff, if you play that means that the servers have to be upkept and if you don't spend anything then they're being kept up for nothing, the only way to make a company fall to its knees is to punch its wallet, not its PR
4:10
Reisen Udongein Inaba
Utsuho Reiuji
Junko
Raymoo Hacuray from 2hu
this is epic
never before have I seen a man confused by what a landmine does
12:20 Killer Rescue Ranger shot there, mate!
TF2 Classic artstyle looks so clean.
Weapon name: Mine layer
Great Blue: So what does this do?
12:20 that instinctual rescue ranger lmao
something i really love is the FOV slider that lets you make the fov up to 130,as someone used to 120-150,105 gets old fast when playing the game vanilla.
i'm curious. How is the hunting rifle more "fair" than the ambassador?
First. damage. The amby has a fairly low damage as a revolver, with the exception for headshot damage. And even then only does 102. While the hunting rifle does 120, has a zoom in, and has no timer where some shots will not go in a straight line.
Utility. The hunting rifle can headshot, just whenever, and dealing more damage overall than the amby. The amby has a waiting period where your shot, even if dead on the head, will go sideways like a cartoon bullet.
So i'm confused.
Edit: if we are calling the amby not fair, then the hunting rifle is fuckin BUSTED
ambasador is not fair because it's so bad
@@emcys now. i'm curious on what you mean by that. The amby is not a bad weapon, it's just worse than it used to be.
@@clothandleather2838 it's stock downgrade now its absolutely terrible weapon that rewards skill with less damage
comes down to personal preference
The balance changes made to the ambassador in regular tf2 were well thought out actually. The spy shouldn't be sniping people from across the map.
To give you an idea of my intelligence level, I just spent almost an hour trying to install this after hearing that TF2 Classic is back.
The entire time, I was trying to install and run Open Fortress.
They don't care enough to put something into their actual game and support it more, but they care enough about someone making a good little mod of it... very interesting.
hunting revolver s actually existed
imagine a musket but it shoots as fast a revolver.
one problem with it was that it could chain fire
so it chain fired it shred your hand straight into dust
Definitely the most polished tf2 experience anyone can have ATM. I'm glad there are so many players!
3:53 This is just Valve's way of celebrating pride month
11:46 “The lack of custom weapons”
*feel good inc laugh*
I commented on some tweets that if the mission of Save TF2 was to have a reaction from Valve: Mission success.
if the mission was to get Valve to use their fuck off money to fix and improve Team Fortress 2 (the bot situation, something like putting Arena in Alternative game modes and making the Graveyard Dispenser ghosts be Dispenser Drones would help the game mode out, Territory Control going from 10 second capture rate to 45 seconds capture rate would improve it immensely and grant people enough time to react to attempted capture instead of blitzing it, something with Robot destruction would also be great) and some weapons getting tweaked would be a good start, not immediately asking for something like the Frontline, Galaxy Frontier or the Heavy update, that should come later quality of life updates are a priority.
basically, ask for little Quality of life updates instead of some MEGA Content updates.
I personally think a lot of the dead modes like Arena and Robot Destruction wouldn't be very good even with some changes. I do really want quality of life updates, I think some big things would be to improve default settings, finish the darn tutorials, and add more HUD options without needing to install custom HUDS. New maps and modes are okay but what I really want is balance updates and new weapons.
@@iminumst7827 Agreed about the quality of life stuff, better default settings with even more choice for FOV sliders, HUD options choice(Default Mann Co, Merc Class specific, Retro/Quake, Classic/Half Life, Invasion/Sci fi, Frontline/WW1&2 Army themed and even make HUD options a new workshop category to vote on.)
For me, Weapon TWEAKS as well as game mode and map tweaks(what I suggested for Arena with the drones and to be part of the alternate game modes and Territory control capture rate tweaks) are in MY opinion only thing possible with current Valve relationship towards Team Fortress 2 aka barely any, so taking it slow and easy with the updates is needed. something like updates that add new maps, game modes and weapons additions need a Heavy update or Blue Moon tier update, while we can only get some tweaks to the already existing game modes and cheating security updates from current Valve.
Good luck with the bot situation, look at many F2P games that are popular... they have these issues.
Cheaters infinitely can make and test new cheats, botters can make and test new bots just the same.
Oh my god dude all your videos are so good please these are amazing
"its like the ambassador but actually fair"
smartest words ever said
The only way to make an effective call to valve to rescue the game would be through an actual protest: have people not play the game for a while, or better yet, stop buying/selling cosmetic on the market and stop buying keys for crates for a while, en masse. You have to hurt the executives pockets, even just a bit, for the executives to care.
Which is unlikely to ever actually be done.
Well if ya don’t think it’s enough?
Then what more can the community do?
In your opinion, of course
The “I’m doing X if you don’t like it say something” email tactic is something you will use a lot. I work with clients/employees and I have deadlines to meet and I can’t wait around for your email. So yes it does hold.
I do not know how you did not realize that demo weapon was a landmine launcher
The nailgun for the scout is great. Also, why not show 4 teams mode? It's on of the biggest highlights.
7:28
OH! It’s a Mine Launcher! It’s meant to be a trap weapon that blows up upon enemies crossing it.
So basically The Orange Box without needing to go on console *just* to play TF2.
Never heard of TF2 Classic before, downloading it as we speak. :) Thanks for letting us know!
One of the major flaw in tf2c is that it's core gamemode (I believe) is custom weapons game which the dev add-in and A LOT of them a severely broken, literally OP. The amount of explosive weapons given to every class is just disgusting and don't even get me started on the pyro's flame particle
Nah it is custom made weapons are managed by server owner
Now they just need to do the quality of life things, like gun mettle switch speed, add the array of weapons we have and make them usable *cough pomson vita saw bison most of the fucking weapon arsenal*
Why? Wouldnt that make it LESS classic
you should totally play open fortress too, it's so underrated
Agreed
I'll look it up, seems fun
*Company on twitter acknowledges a hashtag *
The Company: well, I've done all I can do.
It's 2022 and Great Blue still doesn't know how to look at weapon descriptions. lol.
the teleporters do have the animation! at the entraces you turn into your team color sparks in the outline of your class and then all the particles fall
Um blue? That really bad stickbomb launcher shot LANDMINES that's why they fizzled and only exploded when someone got close
Lmao Valve forgot these guys even exist but yeah them sending a cheeky email is huge power moves lol
7:09 PSA: READ
WHAT IS BACK YOUR TELLING ME THAT WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED WITH THIS
There is also a custom weapons game mode that released like 2 months back with every class geting at least 4 new weapons
what the fuck thats so cool!!!! i was literally wanting to download it yesterday, cant believe the timing lol.
Man, the fact that the hunting revolver doesn't have a bullet cycling animation makes it an absolute menace for sniper duels.
its feels so good coming back to so many full servers
Honey, a new banger Great Blue video just dropped
We did get the tf2 account to announce an update, its been about a week sense. I'd give it another week for them to implement some kind of update and if not we go back to protesting and this time not stopping until something actually happens.
I think tf2c is one of the results to the tweet
@Jesse Mathis the goal was to get valve say something
@Jesse Mathis the goal was to get a word from valve, even shork said that, you can rest now
Really glad to see that more people are able to play TF2C now as somebody who was playing since the downloads went down.I really love some of the improvements and fixes in TF2C and I really wish we could have at least this stuff in normal TF2. It's a shame that Valve still hasn't responded to the arrangement with TF2C and Open Fortress.
BTW, TF2C has it's own modded servers, with the custom weapons servers getting a lot of attention recently.For the normie, there are two different "Custom Weapons" servers, each with their assortment of weapons (One has a lot of weapons and the other has less weapons which feel more unique IMO. You'll know which one you're in). The official VaultF4 servers also have it's on sort of randomizer mode and "2008 Flashback" wich revers some stats to 2008 TF2 instead of modern stats, such as 125 metal teleporters
Some insight into valve. I've read a lot of interviews, it's a developer decision. Valve developers are basically told to do whatever they want, which is why you get things like steam insights and small random updates for their games. Developers could fix the game and actually make it fun again, but they just don't want to
In recent years that seems to have changed. They also pulled quite a few devs to work on :Alex.
Holy fuck, the medic beams, pyro flames and soldier rockets look absolutely beautiful. Why can't we have like a 'fancy' graphics setting that enables all these and a 'fast' graphics setting that keeps them as they are now.
if you write those commands in the console: r_rootlod 0 ,r_lod 0 , mat_picmip -10 , cl_use_new_impact_effects 1, cl_buriniggibs 1 ,mp_usehwmmodels 1,mp_usehwmvcds 1 characters are using better SFM models for hands and heavy has a better ammo on his chest ,also the game will be using ultra high textures
I play Orange Box TF2, and this looks very different. The explosion and fire particles in Orange Box TF2 look the same as proper pc TF2
6:32 THE NORMAL GAME DOES HAVE THIS
although it's a really cheap 2d visual that will act like it's landing just after falling a certain distance and can stop in midair so it's pretty shoddy in normal tf2
also the lack of cosmetics (especially unusuals) really helps FPS I've found
Great must of thought he was using the rescue ranger when he shot his own level 3 sentry with a shotgun lol. 12:20
The replacement for the stickybombs are landmines
Holy shit, I have to play Tf2 Classic asap. I just saw three Touhou-themed players in the first game, and that's enough for me.
edit: Make that FOUR players
The fact that the classic developers managed to untangle the source spaghetti code is actually a god-like feat, with how poorly optimized and moderated normal tf2 is this is genuinely the only way I can play the game and at this point in time it's probably the definitive way to play the game, even if it is a mod.
What would have been great with TF2 classic is if they actually bothered to animate some reload, firing, weapon animations.
Sure they did do that on some weapons but there's just weapons out there that reuse the reloading and firing animation from other weapons.
I know it's not a big deal and it's a minor detail. But it makes the weapon feel more alive, rather than being viewd as " It's a reskin but better."
You ought to play the new update! It's really good
I secound that.
Classic playground move? Never heard that one before
11 months later... wow! he doesn't know that the medic actor is helping! heheheeheheheheheheheheehheehheheheheheheheheheheheheheh