Kerry King's Solos DON'T Suck
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- Опубліковано 17 бер 2023
- I've received a few comments asking me to make a video à la "Why Kerry King sucks", so this week I've decided to do the exact opposite. I hope you enjoy it.
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I love Kerrys solos for slayer it fits great, BUT I think Trey Azagthoth really perfected that soloing style
Definitely
Yeah, except that Trey can play some amazing melodies eventually, also, Hoffmann brothers.
@@Pazuzu- also Trey is way way better musician than Kerry. His solos have brilliant ideas, plenty of melody hidden in the apparent noise etc. Kerry has no feeling
@@ineffige Agree. Also really like Erik Rutan playing solos.
@@Pazuzu- i love that short one he wrote in Nothing but Fear
His solos are perfect for the music of Slayer. The "beauty" of Slayer's solo-sections is also based on the call and response solos of King and Hanneman, so for me it's hard to look at Kerry King alone as a soloist, it's the package Hanneman/King, which made them unique.
Sums it up perfectly
Kerry King’s solos is one of the reasons I picked up a guitar 😅
Ditto 🤘
same
“If this monkey can play solos, so can I!”
And his Esp kkv.
King definitely made we want to get a guitar with a tremolo.
I love how genuine and calm you are, a lot more mature than some grown adults. Keep it up bro, looking forward to the Kevin interview.
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Is he not an adult though?
Well I'm 18, so technically yeah. But lots of middle aged men would disagree lmao
The thing with K. King's guitar work in general is the fact that he's so "wild" in his craft, that you can't help but feel that everything he does is chaotic... I'd say that I get the same vibe from Iron Maiden's Dave Murray when it comes to soloing, but all those things aside, whatever they write has a certain degree of charm that you can't deny.
kerry king died to me when he said hed play circles around dave mustaine. when hes said dave is way better before
The world needs more Tom Scott's, great video and love you putting your opinions out there!
Much appreciated!
Kerry's solo in Crionics off of their first album is still one of my favorite solos.
Not nearly as cacophonous as his later stuff.
Every solo on that album is such a unique sound
Kerry is one hell of a rhythm player but the fact that he plays solos the way he does helps him as a lead player. It’s all about the vibe, those solos sound like I’m listening to a man being tortured in the most grisly way possible.
Edit: just remembered what I think of the second I hear slayer solos. Cartel face off.
I love Kerry's solos on the Seasons in the Abyss album, he openly admitted on that album it was the first time he sat down and thought about the solos, not only that he had a few lessons and learnt more about scales.
As we know from the comedic parodies of Slayer, you only need to take out the distortion and only slightly change the drum beats and the loudness and it´s basically Jazz: On that context he basically is grabbing phrygian minors with lots of chromatic runs and you're mostly there. I know he's not a studied guy and they do stick to pretty much one definitive sound and don't explore as much as Jazz players but you know who else does kind of the same? Blues players. He's just a Jazz-Blues shred player and as chaotic as it sounds, he actually does hit mostly the same scales and takes care of pulling off the same dive bombs and other such ends to his runs.
It's just unfortunate that's kind of easy to meme as a 'bad player' specially because he came up in the exact same era as Heavy metal, glam and Neoclassical shredders all of which were highly structured and using fairly established techniques but definitively glad people give him dues from time to time so kudos on that.
Kerry King really also helped dimebag develop his more heavier style of writing!!!
10000% agree. Kerry also wrote the majority of the guitar leads on Show No Mercy and usually did the first half. Die by the sword’s lead is awesome. I kinda think it’s mostly non players or non serious players that shit on him tbh. Just to sound like they’re on Marty Friedman’s level themselves He does what he does well. As Shred says, “it’s not a dick measuring contest.”
I was never the biggest fan of Kerry's solos, but I totally understand how they fit the vibe of Slayer. Coming from that point, I am really big fan of other "chaotic" guitar players like Erik Rutan or Trey Azagthoth because they do incorporate levels of technicality and even melody that add so much more to the chaos. I guess I'm just a fan of their vibe and tone more than Kerry's.
I feel the same way about Jim Durkin and Erik Meyer of Dark Angel. Absolute riff machines that can nail that "screams of a dude trapped in a phone booth with a bear on meth" guitar solo.
@@Kylora2112 Trey>>Rutan>>>>...>>>> Kerry
Dimebag was extremely chaotic sometimes. He talked about it. He was probably one of the least theory driven metal virtuosos ever. The guy didn't give a crap, and that's why we love his stuff.
Kerry King is why I started playing guitar 33yrs ago. Dude gets shit on all the time from so called music experts. Dudes rhythm playing is insane. Also he has lots of leads that aren’t just whammy dive bombs. Seasons, Divine Intervention, a bunch of the songs on Show No Mercy. Dude is all over the place with his skills. Also, he can play Hanneman written songs better than anyone else out there.
Kerry is a sick rhythm guitarist!
Sup devil
@@andybarker5687 Sup Devil
"Also, he can play Hanneman written songs better than anyone else out there." Kerry actually played most, if not all the rhythm guitars on the later albums. I think Jeff said in an interview he only came in to do his leads.
@@Henry0870 I read that. It said something about how Kerry was faster at tracking the rhythm parts. That he also tracked the bass as well. They made sure to stress that he wasn’t a faster guitar player than Jeff. Just faster at the recording process
Kerry's and Jeff's solos are what they need to be, simple as that
King is probably my favorite guitar player. He inspired me to play. First song I ever learned to play was Seasons. It isn't about being the best technical player. It's about selling the listener and provoking emotions. Dudes a beast
The thing is these solos ARE kinda technically amazing. They spill over with malicious intent, King & Hanneman both. The argument could be made that they are spawned from intention that cannot be contained the way that Ornette Coleman sax solos could not.
Technicality and spontaneity in music has a blurry line when played with such guts and fury.
The difference is that Ornette Coleman knows what he's doing...falling down stairs and hitting every note you can isn't like Harmolodic Jazz or even the idea behind it. It takes skill, ability, knowledge and structure to play "out"...neither Hanneman or King have, or ever had (especially in Hanneman's case) the SKILL to do that...If you just want to start a E, bend F# to G and then hit any and every note available as fast as you can, I guess you can call what they do talent. I will give up that King has taken everything he learned from Judas Priest and Mustaine and turned it into his own sound, and that he IS a skill and capable rhythm player in the style he plays...
Spirit in black was Jeff good example of of a great Kerry solo Divine intervention I believe the first solo in the song is Kerry
Kerry King is the man and his solos are perfect. And aside from that, don't hear anyone talking about his riffs. We're coming up on 40 years worth of death metal bands that have unsuccessfully tried to outdo Kerry's riffs. Still the most violent, raging and slammin riffs to ever rip out of human hands. Suck it, haters.
So many times I've said this and just heard crickets...Glad to finally hear this sentiment from anyone other than myself lol.
Slayer are expressing that chaos that's built up by every aspect of their production, from lighting to cover art. It illustrates the suffering and disarray much akin to that portrayed by Picasso's Guernica, which doesn't necessarily employ his greatest technical ability so much as good artistic sensibilities to clearly evoke what he's conveying.
And Slayer does the same from the album cover of Reign in Blood to everything about the way the whole band delivers one both record and stage alike.
Tbh they're probably my favorite of the Big 4, all of which i dig (although I'd swap Anthrax out for Testament). Slayer is arguably the thrash band that most directly influenced the birth of both death and groove metal. It's the balance of groove and mayhem, of which Kerry was an essential element.
This intensity was the core of what Slayer is. Someone who doesn't get what any member's contribution was about, just doesn't get what Slayer is about.
Tom had to reach into dark corners if himself to a weight that wasn't his to carry on a regular basis, which is why it ultimately wouldn't be part of enjoying is golden years in peace with his family. He probably listens to anything from yacht rock to Abba, and more power to him.
But Kerry and Jeff had this in their bones, Kerry will probably be cranking the gain till his eardrums turn to dust, and then he'll die fulfilled. He has served the metal world as vitally as Halford, Malmsteen, or Burton.
I've been playing guitar for about a decade and a half now. Slayer songs have always been a part of my warm up routine. I keep in songs where I take Kerry's solos because I find them incredibly inspiring as a player who does a lot of improvising. This is despite my style usually being about as sweet as cheap frosting. You can definitely learn those solos more or less verbatim, but I sorta take them as suggestion. You're supposed to have a plan when you improvise something musically. Kerry's solos always give you the same foundation to plan with: violent chaos. It connects me immediately back to being the kid that first fell in love with that music, who had no idea how any of it worked but thought it was the most amazing thing I'd ever heard. I think a lot of modern Metal guitar players especially seem to get a bit lost in the weed of technical proficiency and sorta lose sight of the more magical quality music has. Great video!
Marty Friedman actually did an improvised solo on raining blood
I'd agree with you on the topic of solos necessitating a matching style with the song they're in, but that doesn't mean his solos don't suck
My thoughts exactly. One can create chaotic, dissonant solos and still managed to sound like they actually know what they're doing.
Kerry's and Jeff's solos fit the music perfectly as you said. I couldn't imagine some shred prodigy playing over those riffs. It just changes the whole vibe. They're not meant to be totally technically proficient, and that's the point.
Kerry King is just a jazz icon people just don't understand
Very based video, thanks. I know Slayer's music has 0 things to do with Jazz, but in Jazz, it's always about the intention and the personnal expression. Like I've heard sax players purpusefully bombard the audience with "wrong" / out notes, just to create a sense of tension, unresolvedness. It's not always to everyone's taste, but it's a valid statement for sure.
im starting to look forward to your videos
Got a lot to look forward to 👀👀
I would bet 95% of people that actually hate on Kerry would struggle to keep up with him in a live setting. He’s a better rhythm player than anyone gives him credit for and whilst his leads are an acquired taste, he pulls them off live.
Kerry King is the Kerriest King to ever Kerry a King.
Kerry is such a strange guitarist. His signature guitars and his solo sound cater to the hxc0r3 14 year olds out there yet he's a lead guitarist in one of the most influential extreme metal bands out there. Every other lead guitarist in the big thrash bands can run rings around him, and if he was in another band he'd get chewed out in the auditions. Yet, he's absolutely perfect for Slayer.
Great video. I've been a huge Slayer fan for something like 25 years. One of the first albums I ever bought with my own money was Diabolus In Musica (I love it, many don't). Kerry is a beast of a player. Seeing him ripping evil-sounding solos with chains wrapped around his arms and then rolling right into brutal grinding rhythm parts is one of the things that made me want to play guitar. I wish I had been able to see them more often but I guess I'm lucky I got to see them at all.
Excellent points all around. Slayer were one of the reasons I wanted to play guitar in the first place as a teen in the 80s.
you know it's a spectrum on one hand you listen to yngwie and go "wow" then you listen to slayer and go "AaUYhuGCYTuyghjgvUKGYTkugiyu"
Kerry kings solos sound the way they are supposed to.
You are right, they don't suck they BLOW!!!
Your content is one of the best on guitar UA-cam!
I'm honored 😎🙏
@@sixstringtv1 Just the truth!
Kerry king basically does what every teenage guitarist does when they get a whammy lol but saying their solo sucks is just ignoring the tone of their music
You know why every teenage guitarist does that? Because they just listened to Slayer.
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 exactly
@@rotary-fd I'd give you another thumbs up for the Initial D pfp.
I've disagreed with you in the past, but every word of this is true. His solos fit Slayer's music perfectly and are just loads of fun to play and listen to. I stood feet from him at a gig a few years back and I don't think my ears will ever recover... but it was worth it!
God I wish I'd been able to see Slayer live. Born a few years too late for that sadly. I did get to fist bump Gary Holt at an Exodus show a while back 🤣
I've seen them 5 times, 3 of those back around the time of Seasons and Divine Intervention, the other couple more recently. I guess there are some advantages to being an old fart!
@@sixstringtv1so let me tell you King was very consistent in soloing live and I loved that about him, when he played his solos they really sounded like those on Slayer studio albums, as he always cared to replay them as faithfully as he could. For me, he was always Mr.Slayer, the guy who cared the most about this band, who carried it on his shoulders musically and business-wise, I imagine while in the studio recording, Tom and Jeff would tend to fuck around at times, while he remained focused not only on his job, but also made sure all guitars (including Hanneman's rhythm parts and Araya's bass lines) were tracked well and in a timely manner, which in fact was the case since the early nineties, that's why he took over all rhythm guitar parts as well as bass guitar duties and recorded them himself while Hannemann and Araya would be drunk or stoned or both, unable to deliver.
I absolutely hate to see how much hate King gets these days, it became some sort of a sick fashion to throw shit at him online and belittle him as a guitarist at every opportunity. For fucks sake, the guy is a living legend, he founded Slayer and wrote and co-wrote an awful lot of Slayer classics and I just love his solos just as I do Hanneman's, those guys were a perfect match, a thrash metal duo from straight from hell. I still remember listening to SNM or Hell Awaits for the first time and I absolutely adored the way they interchanged their sick and twisted solos not only in 1-2 pattern but often in 1-2-1-2.
Hell, they created this dissonance, sick, twisted way of playing solos that legions of thrash/death metal guitarists picked up from them and further developed.
King is a legend (just as Hanneman is) and nobody will take that away from him.
He plays chromatic scale, just like in Jazz, any combination of tones paints a picture, and picture don't need to be to everyone's liking , so there are no "wrong" notes just wrong timing, but in Kerry's case timing is perfect
I would say that the King/Hanneman solos off Divine Intervention, Diabolus in Musica, Seasons in the Abyss, south of Heaven, and God Hates us All - are just absolute masterpiece lead playing. I cant believe how good they are.
It was in the Christ illusion album and after is when the slayer solos were no longer good anymore and started to go to the can.
As for the rookie albums until South of Heaven, it was just like Deicide finding their sound. There was some good solos on reign in blood.
Sadly the solos on world painted blood are a disaster and need to be redone because thew album is actually a good album with great riffs and vibes. I do not understand why they didn't care much for writing any proper solos for that one.
EVH made me fall in love with using a Floyd Rose, but Kerry taught me how to brutalize with it! 🤘🎸
Spoiler, Kerry uses Kahlers..... That’s the main reason I used them, prefer them over Floyds. Or as Kerry has said, if you learn on the one system....
You make a compelling argument. I'm convinced. As someone who both badmouths Kerry's skills and adores slayer, I must concede your point. Well played sir. Been getting a little shreddy with my PRS in my old age, and I do love your channel.
Great video! You just sitting in all black on a bench reminds me of that scene from Deathgasm lol. If you haven't seen that movie go watch it!
I’ve been going to sleep with metal since I was 14. I’m 49 now. I guess I still have that edge! Awesome video!
At night when I can't sleep I'm more of a podcast or smooth jazz guy 🤣
@@sixstringtv1 I can respect that. When I can’t sleep I put on ancient aliens on Hulu. It’s so boring I pass out!
Slayer are the reason I play, Kerry King is my idol. Long live KFK
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this has actually changed my mind on the subject, imagine that
I've always asked fuckwit "virtuoso" guitarists who make fun of Kerry King or just Slayer solos in general to play a single Slayer solo accurately and with the same vibe that Jeff and Kerry can. Not once has any of them been able to bring the heat.
Tom Scott’s best video on slayer
The Solo he does on “Gemini” is one of the most evil solos I’ve ever heard, and a good example of what your talking about.
My guitar teacher said slayer solos sound like demons coming out of a hell pit. That’s what they’re supposed to be.
So they are supposed to sound like shit?
Slayer wouldn't be Slayer without his solos, it's what makes band unique and recognizable, I remember first time I've heard Slayer it was 1984 Live Undead album, sound quality was disaster, and only thing that cut clearly through the mix was a solo guitar, everything else sounded like total mush, but I freaking loved that album anyways
Slayer wouldn't sound like slayer without him. When I was 1st getting into metal and started listening to as many bands as I could, slayer was the one that stood out. Always the quintessential thrash example to me. This band was faster and that band was technical, but slayer was louder. Lots of thrash is good but not that distinctive, but I know slayer when I hear it.
One of the reasons I grew to appreciate death more and more was each band sounded pretty damn distinctive even when the vast majority of the vocals are not.
My favorite lead player is Terrance Hobbs. I feel like most of what you said about Kerry can apply to him as well. His stuff always sounds dissonant and off key, but it’s exactly what belongs in a Suffocation song.
I like his solos. They fit the music. ‘Nuff said
Slayer guitar solos aren't just random notes mashed together. They're the screams of souls being tortured in the inferno.
Well put, this is exactly how what came to my mind while listening to their solos on Hell Awaits on my headphones late in the night, with lights off.
Thanks for all your hard work! Awesome Channel!
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I kinda like Kerry solos, they're raw and unrefined but have a lot of charm
Kerry king's solos undeniably bring out the chaotic vibe in slayer songs
Kerry gets my vote-for guitar expresser. Reason why I bought his amp and one of his B.C. Riches. Try them when the neighbors are asleep.
Hey, I have his amp too! Both, in fact 🤣
I agree with this
Good point
I agree on this one.hes not the most amazing player but the way he plays has made a tone of money and it fits the type of music it's ment for.good shit
Thanks for this video! Thanks for not comparing Kerry to Jeff! One more thing... i'm not thirteen but at 52 i must be real edgy or just plain old because i still go to bed with headphones on and listen to Slayer, Venom, Sodom, Kreator, Nuclear Assault, Death, Danzig, etc.... and always fall asleep, don't last longer than two songs! LOL
I totally agree. One of my heros.
Kerry King is a bad ass and his style fits the whole Slayer vibe perfectly! I don’t understand the hate he gets cause he’s awesome! My solos are very aggressive and khaotic and Slayer was a huge inspiration for me! People just like to be haters. Cool video dude! 🤘🏽🤘🏽
Yea I get this, Im the same with with Dimebag, love the style, love his solos, and I love that vibe all his stuff gives off.
Kerry King has some really well thought out and more melodic solos on Show No Mercy especially on songs like Crionics and the antichrist, definitely spent a lot of time writing them out compared to the more insanity driven solos of Hell awaits and beyond
My thoughts on it would be as follow:
a) People often can´t difference wich solo is whom in slayer, with people immediatly assuming Kerry plays all the dissonant solos , in reallity Jeff Hannemann was as caothic as Kerry, but when they both solo in a song often Kerry did a Melodic solo and Jeff would take the crazy one, Like on War enssemble, where, of all things Kerry plays in Prhygian mode. Kerry playing more composed and structured solos can easily be found in the albums show no mercy, south of heaven and seasaons in the abyss.
b) Maybe linked to the last one, but Kerry was also a far more tight Rhytm Player than Jeff, even if Jeff wrotte more riffs it was often Kerry the one to record them in the studio, nothing to do with soloing but is worth mentioning.
c) It comes as hypocritical from extreme metal fans to shit on him when that crazy style of soloing is the foundation of a lot of Black and Death Metal solos. If you are just into more technichal players, fine you do you, but for more extreme fans is just poor class.
You're spot on!
I love theese type of videos when you sit around in nature!
You underestimate what I would and can bring up in a casual real world conversation.
That being said. I almost never learn Slayer solos. I only learn their riffs. It usually just doesn’t reflect what I personally want to play in a solo. But man those solos fit the songs and sound killer.
And some solos I do learn (war ensemble for example) cause I feel I might have use for that in my own playing.
Good vid.
I actually love his solos.
oh sweet new tom scott video
Kerry King’s guitar is to Slayer as Lars Ulrich’s drums are to Metallica. While not technically “amazing”, it’s perfect for their material.
The members of Metallica are all about equally good at their instruments
I came here to say this. I mean, i did and later read this comment. I was sure that I couldn’t be the only one that thought this.
Great looking spring, convincing! Agreed regarding all solos in Slayer though, they sound good in the context. Hence they're good solos for the song. Chad level math right there.
All true my man!!
Slayers my favorite band so I’m biased without a doubt but I never got that crap that Kerry King gets
Also I have genuinely fallen asleep to Atmospheric Black Metal
BRAVO !
You're absolutely right, Slayer is chaos, so are his solos, it's great.
Kerry was very melodic on Show no Mercy, my 2nd favorite Slayer, but whats funny is he looks back on those solos as being the weird ones.
Both Jeff and Kerry have on thing that most guitarist don't is their own style!
Love your videos
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This is one of the videos that I completely agree with!! I've been defending Kerry and Slayer solos for 20 years.
They're chaotic for a reason!! So are the Cannibal Corpse solos and riffs. 🤘🤘
I actually listed some of the Slayer songs that I liked the most, and went to see who wrote music for them. In 85% came out it was Jeff Hannman. Kudos to Kerry too - we couldn't stop talking about, back in the 80's , that they were the greatest guitar duos out there :D
I remember having a concert video phase in my teens and I was into bands like Metallica and I bought a Slayer VHS but never really got into the music since the singing is pretty much as melodic as a lawnmower falling down a flight of stairs. The saving grace was the solos but I felt that Jeff was the one that was the stronger player. Kings solos had some kind of vibe and I can almost liken it to bebop or something, just a barrage of notes and stuff that really didn't fit the song anymore than that the energy was right. Power to him, just not my cup of blood.
It's so easy to say that, but imagining any other voice but Tom Araya's singing those lyrics seems unthinkable...
SLAYER!!
Kerry King is like the Tyson Fury of MMA, fat, bald and only specialises in getting one thing right. But he manages to deliver every time.
Hey, I used to blast King Diamond to go to sleep. I also used to drink heavily and live on a 28 hour day.
Yeah I love kings solos. His work in the song Season in the Abyss is a pretty good example. I didn't even realize that people were saying all this nasty stuff about him. Maybe I'm just out of touch with pop gossip or something haha.
Lovely analysis bro. FUCKING SLAYER BRO! Thanks!
Absolutely
The most important thing is, what he plays fits the music, great video
you start playing after discovering music on spotify?
I feel so old
I actually did fall asleep listening to a few of my favourite metal bands several times. Mostly during a time where I used to have to travel long distances to get to work. It wasn't on purpose though :P
Edit: typo
Im more of a fast rythym player, but all my solos ive ever wrote are "kerry king" style, not nearly as good at all, its basically a blitzkrieg attack. Controled Chaos. If anything, id say being able to recreate that chaos every show is quite the feat.
Jimmy was great at getting you to feel things, in that aspect he was one the very best, but on a technical level, humanity blew past that long ago.
Its worth mentioning that i think srv was the greatest yet cause he was excellent in every aspect and could tell you a story with a guitar alone.
I love music talks like this
Ok second time I’ve argued this in one of ur vids but I 100% agree with this point and think that a similar approach should be taken to six feet under
He does though, sometimes, sneak in (probably unknowingle/accidentally) major scale passages that really mess with the vibe of the underlying riffs.
Kerry King's solos are fun.
Jimi and Eddy were innovators. Not the greatest by any stretch. They just did things no one else dared to do.
You get it. Thank you sir. Its all about context
I think people miss the whole point; they’re supposed to be completely chaotic.