The Most Unexpected Guitar Scam (Hardluck Kings)

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  • @sixstringtv1
    @sixstringtv1  3 місяці тому +24

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  • @OrbitalDeathRay
    @OrbitalDeathRay 3 місяці тому +102

    Music Is Win catching strays

    • @sixstringtv1
      @sixstringtv1  3 місяці тому +42

      Always

    • @phylumofdoom
      @phylumofdoom 3 місяці тому +9

      Did I miss a video about music is win? I've heard it referenced a few times lately and feel I missed something.

    • @phylumofdoom
      @phylumofdoom 3 місяці тому +6

      @OrbitalDeathRay: Yeah, I heard it in this video. I just didn't know if there was a whole video where he had explained his dislike in more detail.

    • @travisspaulding2222
      @travisspaulding2222 3 місяці тому +21

      @@phylumofdoom I'm not a fan of the channel, and I think the guy is kind of douchie, but he gives a lot of gear to people, so I don't go in on his channel myself. In the end, I feel like he is a net good for the guitar community, even if I can't make it through any of his videos, lol.

    • @GENXJOPLIN
      @GENXJOPLIN 3 місяці тому +2

      I don't mind him. His opinions are well thought out and he's a great player. Some of his videos are pretty awesome

  • @tomfoolery342
    @tomfoolery342 3 місяці тому +53

    Seems that the company has fallen on some....wait for it.......wait.... for it........"HARD LUCK"! 🤣🤣

    • @ElvesvsShinyRocks
      @ElvesvsShinyRocks 3 місяці тому +4

      Insert CSI Miami meme here.

    • @Vortigan07
      @Vortigan07 3 місяці тому +2

      ba-dum-tum...tshh!

    • @totalbullion5882
      @totalbullion5882 3 місяці тому

      More like the customers did and by the name alone they knew what they were in for 🤣

    • @ChrisTopherBunnell
      @ChrisTopherBunnell 21 день тому

      It seems this guy is the "King" of "Hard Luck".

  • @alexgrunde6682
    @alexgrunde6682 3 місяці тому +33

    See, if I had a company called hard luck kings and I wanted to give my customers a title, I’d just call them Kings, it’s right there!

    • @Darkseidx
      @Darkseidx 3 місяці тому +8

      Hell at least Princes.

    • @sixstringtv1
      @sixstringtv1  3 місяці тому +10

      Somehow seems better than what they actually went with, yeah

    • @sauce_aux
      @sauce_aux 3 місяці тому +5

      That would be way too “woke” for that entire demographic 😂

    • @sangpenikam7
      @sangpenikam7 3 місяці тому

      I somehow imagined that it’s supposed to be called “Rad Bastard” but some old dude got it mixed up and it officially became “Rat Bastard” instead 😂

  • @jasonjkruger
    @jasonjkruger 3 місяці тому +30

    HLK is the Affliction of guitar brands

    • @brianaiken1196
      @brianaiken1196 3 місяці тому

      What about spear guitars? Remember them?

    • @sole__doubt
      @sole__doubt 3 місяці тому +1

      I saw someone with a skin tight Affliction shirt at the grocery the other day. I bet you can picture the guy without having seen him. Typical Affliction fan, lol.

    • @brandonharris9160
      @brandonharris9160 25 днів тому

      I heard someone say that about Schecter lol

  • @MatthewBaron
    @MatthewBaron 3 місяці тому +31

    Don't worry...
    The Blues Lawyer is looking into this. Stay tuned.

  • @JacubWhite38
    @JacubWhite38 3 місяці тому +20

    Within the last week 60 Cycle Hum talked about why they don't like Hard Luck Kings and now I'm seeing this. Sounds like a real winner brand

    • @luke8026
      @luke8026 3 місяці тому +2

      And i sent them the ad ;)

    • @warhoofd74
      @warhoofd74 3 місяці тому

      Maybe s bit coincidental

  • @MuscleCarLover
    @MuscleCarLover 3 місяці тому +7

    Ah yes, 2010. When the guitar choices for a beginner were either Squier or firewood

  • @totalbullion5882
    @totalbullion5882 3 місяці тому +7

    Who would buy from a company called "Hard luck" ? That's like buying from a company called "Tough S#it" 😂

  • @WREDog
    @WREDog 3 місяці тому +14

    I used to see their ads all the time back when I had a Facebook account. Thought about getting a bass out of curiosity until I saw they were charging about $50 to make it playable. Not surprised to see they were shady.

  • @daniellowry660
    @daniellowry660 2 місяці тому +3

    I remember carrying those guitars in the shop I worked at. They sent us a prototype bass with a custom color specifically for my boss. The finish felt like the kind of paint you paint your house with. Needless to say we didn't sell very many and stopped carrying them fairly shortly after

  • @Mr.Goldbar
    @Mr.Goldbar 3 місяці тому +16

    As a fellow Goldstein, I must say we're not all like that XD

  • @sole__doubt
    @sole__doubt 3 місяці тому +4

    Ive been playing since the late 80s and I and none of the people I jam with have ever heard of Hardluck Guitars.

    • @forrestvass6690
      @forrestvass6690 29 днів тому

      I see one at a friend's house while back was explorer copy seemed decent, the guy though t was usa I had point out just Saif designed

  • @MrPhins
    @MrPhins 3 місяці тому +3

    Wait, so these people thought their $250 HLK was actually made in the USA and not just a drop shipped pos from China rebranded for Harley riders with chain drive wallets? Oh, that's gotta hurt 🤣
    At least they got a cool tshirt to model at the Ed Hardy conventions.

  • @buttermybuns9529
    @buttermybuns9529 3 місяці тому +5

    The fact that you’re wearing an Obscura shirt and you look exactly like Rafael Trujillo is hilarious.

  • @flapjack413
    @flapjack413 14 днів тому

    That company had the energy of a 1980's thirteen year old edge lord from day one.

  • @Mike-rw2nh
    @Mike-rw2nh 3 місяці тому +15

    As a paying customer, Mr. Beato has interesting channels, but his perma-peddled products are dog shit.

    • @fusionfan6883
      @fusionfan6883 3 місяці тому +1

      @@murphyman104What on earth are you talking about???

  • @fistinair1979
    @fistinair1979 14 днів тому

    Remember when they claimed that they would do fret work and setups on each guitar before shipping them out? Hilarious. The amount people try to resell them for us also pretty comical.

  • @RudyAyoub
    @RudyAyoub 2 місяці тому +1

    This is actually wild

  • @thedavidshreds
    @thedavidshreds 3 місяці тому +2

    This video is you at your best, man.

  • @Snowsound93
    @Snowsound93 3 місяці тому +21

    Watching this while drinking a beer and wearing my pantera shirt. I would say walk on home but your already there.

  • @jaretselwyn4509
    @jaretselwyn4509 20 днів тому +1

    I bought an HLK Spider as a mod project. I gutted the electronics and put in aftermarket pickups. Sounds and plays decently. But at ~12lbs., the thing is heavy AF.

    • @gamingwithmrgvil3511
      @gamingwithmrgvil3511 9 днів тому

      I've got one of those. Plays fantastic but by far the heaviest guitar I've ever owned.

  • @MichaelThomasOflaherty
    @MichaelThomasOflaherty 3 місяці тому +1

    sounds like a wealthy guitar scammer seeing as Mark is in real estate

  • @flapjack413
    @flapjack413 14 днів тому

    I wonder when that photo of Kirk Windstein was from. He's been a Solar signature artist for at least a couple years now.

  • @SamanthaMiller-hr2pf
    @SamanthaMiller-hr2pf 24 дні тому

    i got one of these guitars second-hand for like 50 bucks, idk if it was the previous owners fault or it came fucked up but the pickup selector doesn't really work; i have to press down and hold on it for the bridge pickup to work

  • @wagonet
    @wagonet 2 місяці тому +1

    You got great content. Great video. Never heard of this company.

  • @xenon23601
    @xenon23601 3 місяці тому +1

    I knew Darrell or Dimebag back to when he was maybe 18 or so. Hearing Pantera mentioned still gets me. He was always a great guy and really believed he would make it but I did not see it coming back then. Now I will be a bit sad.

  • @allyourbasearebelongtous2191
    @allyourbasearebelongtous2191 3 місяці тому +3

    Weird Pantera hate aside...
    Good video man.

    • @sethgross3904
      @sethgross3904 3 місяці тому +4

      It’s not his fault, the boarder-line neck-beard is inhibiting clear thought.

    • @johnnysully2689
      @johnnysully2689 2 місяці тому

      It's probably just mild Virtue Signalling, tbh.

    • @preston2636
      @preston2636 20 днів тому +1

      ​@@johnnysully2689na he legit hates pantera. He's never had pussy

  • @patrickmartin2575
    @patrickmartin2575 3 місяці тому +1

    Wow...I have had a couple of those (still have the Lady Luck (Explorer clone).

  • @JayceAllanGuitar
    @JayceAllanGuitar 3 місяці тому

    Always was curious about these guitars but never bought one because didn’t care for the looks and the price was a bit high for what you were getting. Stayed with brands like Harley Benton and Firefly. I’m sure there’s more to this story. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

  • @ZentriX115
    @ZentriX115 3 місяці тому

    Love the shirt ❤ and your videos. Always a good day when you post a new video.

  • @kellybrincks
    @kellybrincks 3 місяці тому +1

    I’ve never heard of this company

  • @tomislavplaysguitar
    @tomislavplaysguitar 3 місяці тому +1

    That obscura shirt is fire btw! I have two of their shirts. Really love Steffens band

  • @justsomedude5727
    @justsomedude5727 3 місяці тому +12

    Hardluck kings is the most cringe brand name ever, it sounds like FFDP's in-house brand.

    • @infinidominion
      @infinidominion 3 місяці тому +1

      Brass knuckle crown ✊👑

    • @TheCadegoodspeed45
      @TheCadegoodspeed45 3 місяці тому +2

      Lol ever heard of BC Rich? Haha

    • @justsomedude5727
      @justsomedude5727 3 місяці тому +1

      @@TheCadegoodspeed45 That's a guys name at least.

    • @countzero5150
      @countzero5150 3 місяці тому +2

      ​@TheCadegoodspeed45 it's just short for the founders name, Bernardo Chavez Rico, and was actually a great brand that made high quality guitars... once upon a time.

    • @infinidominion
      @infinidominion 3 місяці тому +3

      @@TheCadegoodspeed45 you aint lumping BC Rich in here

  • @chrisadams628
    @chrisadams628 3 місяці тому

    Hold up, they started in 2010? I thought they were an early 2000's company.

  • @shallmann
    @shallmann Місяць тому

    The HLK guitars I've bought over the years all played fine. One had some sharp fret ends, a bit of filing fixed that. The single coils in their tele and strat style guitars didn't sound bad; just rather unremarkable. I replaced them all. The humbuckers in the LP, Firebird & Explorer style guitars actually sounded pretty good to me. I did replace several of them, just for the sake of variety. I wouldn't describe them as mediocre at all, at least the ones I have. They compare favorably to Epiphones and Squiers IMHO. The finishes were what set them apart, flame and quilt tops, others with neon green or orange.
    All that being said, yeah, pretty dirty way to go out. Screwing honest people trying to buy your products.

  • @markdeloria20
    @markdeloria20 2 місяці тому

    I purchased one of their "Outlaw" (Flying V) guitars about 8 years ago... I'm not in their "cult" mentality, but for what I paid (about $280usd including shipping), it's a decent guitar. Maybe I got lucky with it. Too bad for the customers (and OEM factory) that got scammed.

  • @TheMoneyMakingMentor
    @TheMoneyMakingMentor 3 місяці тому +1

    How do I know you are not scamming me? lol.

  • @ColtsfaninVegas
    @ColtsfaninVegas 22 дні тому

    I have a Hardluck Kings Bossman Les Paul Copy. I bought it new at Sam Ash. I assume the company is falling on hard times because the most major vendor (Sam Ash) they have is going out of business. I am happy with the guitar, plays like a demon. The only complaint I have on the guitar is the fretboard wood. It doesn't take treatment very well.

  • @JaFoste_Studio
    @JaFoste_Studio 3 місяці тому

    Wow, I had been considering trying one of their guitars for a few years, now. So glad I didn't.

  • @uncle_komrade
    @uncle_komrade 3 місяці тому

    I was JUST thinking of HLK this morning, and to catch this video is so strangely welcome. I saw HLK advertising many many years ago, and almost saved up enough to buy one, but never pulled the trigger after my dad assured me my strat was enough. He was right, and to see how F'd I would have been makes current me laugh at 13 year old me and how damn naive I was.

  • @lordlemmun5216
    @lordlemmun5216 3 місяці тому

    dude i am literally playing my hardluck kings tele as we speak. my dad bought a telecaster as well from them so we could mod it right when everything started to go down. the scam wasn't initiated yet, and thats why we bought from them. i feel so ashamed to love this guitar now even though it is a brilliant instrument. sucks that he won''t get his tele though.

  • @daemonspudguy
    @daemonspudguy 3 місяці тому +23

    "Would you like some scams with your scam?" - this channel.

  • @MrCarsandguitars
    @MrCarsandguitars 3 місяці тому

    I bought one of their tele clones in like 2015 or so wjen they wrre having a 99 dollar flash sale. Bought it as a mod project. Its exactly what you would expect for the price lol. Kinda wish i had bought a squier instead.

  • @MickyFig
    @MickyFig 14 днів тому

    I contested my "purchase" and had to provide everything I could get a hold of and I FINALLY got a refund back to my card. Took a while and I was starting to wonder, but FINALLY! Never heard squat back from that, well I'll be nice, that asshole!

  • @SticksAandstonesBozo
    @SticksAandstonesBozo 15 днів тому

    You can get amazing fender and les Paul copies for such little money it boggles my mind anyone on earth buys any of there garbage brands or supposed boutique brands

  • @wisterialosenge2546
    @wisterialosenge2546 3 місяці тому +1

    kinda of sounds like the guy might have died or gone to prison or something. kind of hard to refund peoples money or otherwise wrap up loose ends in those situations.

  • @blue.5058
    @blue.5058 28 днів тому

    Sounds like the deal with TTM guitars, which is even sketchier. You just HAVE to do a video on them.

  • @funksaves
    @funksaves 24 дні тому

    similar story with the brand "bolt guitars"

  • @travisspaulding2222
    @travisspaulding2222 3 місяці тому +4

    Does Germany have milk stores? I'm kind of intrigued, lol.

    • @jimihendrix991
      @jimihendrix991 3 місяці тому +1

      nope

    • @marvintimke3978
      @marvintimke3978 3 місяці тому

      Why would anyone need an entire store, only for milk?

    • @travisspaulding2222
      @travisspaulding2222 3 місяці тому

      @@marvintimke3978 I don't know. He was the one who said something about milk stores, lol. I'd never heard of one, lol.

  • @lhmmhl1
    @lhmmhl1 3 місяці тому +2

    Goldstein..?

  • @googaboogaloo
    @googaboogaloo 3 місяці тому

    I always thought they were a cringe brand.

  • @alanmartinez1025
    @alanmartinez1025 3 місяці тому

    I have a Lady HLK Guitar lol I got it like 10+ years ago. Very cheap feeling guitar but played pretty good.

  • @jasonjkruger
    @jasonjkruger 3 місяці тому

    Bro, calling Andrew Wang "friend" in the message killed me

  • @ViviSectia
    @ViviSectia 3 місяці тому

    I don't think they even designed them. I'm sure that I've been seeing those same designs and finishes for years on Aliexpress.

  • @sauce_aux
    @sauce_aux 3 місяці тому

    Don’t buy guitars from California real estate brokers

  • @stonkpuppets6393
    @stonkpuppets6393 Місяць тому

    Those shirts will be $300 on eBay in a year from now

  • @CCHPOUNDER420
    @CCHPOUNDER420 3 місяці тому

    I only ever considered ordering something from them once and it was just a hardcase for 50 bucks. I decided against it because i didnt want a case with the hardluck king branding lol

  • @ricdale7813
    @ricdale7813 3 місяці тому

    I have friends that bought HLK guitars. Every one of them was Junk. Loose and broken hardware, Horrid Electronics, Iffy at best hide glue and finish work, sharp af fret work,etc.... You get what you paid for......Junk.

  • @PikkaBird
    @PikkaBird 3 місяці тому

    This seems like a Walmart knockoff of the BRJ Black Friday debacle from years back.

  • @games_are_good
    @games_are_good 3 місяці тому

    Walmart guitar in 2010: $100, Epiphone Les Paul LP in 2019: $150

  • @voodooviolinist
    @voodooviolinist 3 місяці тому

    I bought one for my brother as a gift. What a piece of crap. It’s absolute junk.

  • @chrissgardiner
    @chrissgardiner 3 місяці тому

    I had never heard of these guitars until I started seeing them PLASTERED all over my local Facebook Marketplace.

  • @tonepilot
    @tonepilot 3 місяці тому

    What are the fanbois saying now?

  • @EpictheEpicest
    @EpictheEpicest 3 місяці тому

    HLK seemed to have interesting offerings, like a 5-string Flying V or explorer bass and unusual finish colors, but the construction and materials always looked so poorly designed, their claims of being "designed in the US" always seemed sketch to me.

  • @Andrew-Richardson
    @Andrew-Richardson 8 днів тому

    I’m a 3x purchaser of their guitars. Haven’t bought one in a few years now. The Flying V was garbage. The Strat and tele were decent and okay quality. If you adjusted it to your liking. You can find better through legitimate guitar makers. I talked to Mark before about an order the guys a liar and a douche.

  • @heavenly4058
    @heavenly4058 3 місяці тому +1

    I almost ordered form them to

  • @everlastingred3088
    @everlastingred3088 3 місяці тому

    Suprised Ratt hasn't used that one for their fans

  • @fladification
    @fladification 3 місяці тому +1

    I mustache you a question: did you look in the mirror before shooting this video?

    • @sixstringtv1
      @sixstringtv1  3 місяці тому

      I sneezed halfway through shooting and it did that 😩

  • @tedmich
    @tedmich 3 місяці тому

    Having avoided the FB cesspool, I have never heard of these guys. I own several Carvins/Kiesels/Warmoth and I'm very happy.

  • @narrowonflow
    @narrowonflow 3 місяці тому

    bro u dont know that.. my dad is coming back for sure... its only been like 15 yrs

  • @BallisticKnifeJesus
    @BallisticKnifeJesus 3 місяці тому

    I will truly miss the HOSS ads

  • @GregMerritt-ws8tq
    @GregMerritt-ws8tq 3 місяці тому +1

    I swear it looked like they were trying to imply that Kirk Windstein is a proud rat bastard.

    • @sixstringtv1
      @sixstringtv1  3 місяці тому

      They absolutely were, they pushed that shit really hard

  • @Seven7Pain1
    @Seven7Pain1 3 місяці тому

    its on i got your back on this one he should fill orders then shut down not filling already paid orders is stealing and all you got to do send his name and the info you found to the fBI internet scam site he will be investigated and force to pay it all back plus jail time

  • @pigxstix
    @pigxstix 3 місяці тому

    Doesn't sound like a scam, sounds like someone hit a significant problem in their personal or professional lives and found themselves in a position to not be able to fulfill their commitments and is handling it poorly. Scams are different, they are designed to deceive, like you said 14 years isn't evidence of that. But something happened. People should just do the chargebacks and get their funds and this brand will likely just disappear forever.

  • @DrMurdercock
    @DrMurdercock 3 місяці тому

    he will not like when guitar YT comes.
    He will move to Iceland when guitar 4 chan comes....

  • @effectosis742
    @effectosis742 13 днів тому

    Wow that was a great video...

  • @richardvirginia3037
    @richardvirginia3037 3 місяці тому +1

    Much like TTM guitars

  • @zaltuguitar
    @zaltuguitar 3 місяці тому

    I bought one of their "showroom" guitars. Looked like it was one that didn't get sold. The build of The guitar was complete genetic garbage. Everything about it was sub par. Only paid 150 us so I didn't feel too.ripped. Their ig page used to show clips of the guitars getting set up. Looked like it was done out of a storage unit, really just screamed unprofessional

  • @mysteryguitarteen1
    @mysteryguitarteen1 Місяць тому

    They've gone under actually, good riddance

  • @dddd717
    @dddd717 3 місяці тому

    The milk store????

  • @izzy9ji
    @izzy9ji 3 місяці тому

    Always been a hard pass!

  • @ChrisHopkinsBass
    @ChrisHopkinsBass 3 місяці тому

    They should change their name to EdgeLord Fail Queens

  • @youropionmattersnot
    @youropionmattersnot 3 місяці тому

    I like and buy used Fender guitars. Nothing else matters.

  • @auntjenifer7774
    @auntjenifer7774 3 місяці тому

    😂 @ 8:08 .
    I love Yoshi's island !

  • @stonkpuppets6393
    @stonkpuppets6393 Місяць тому

    I have a HLK Jazzcaster

  • @heavynov
    @heavynov 3 місяці тому

    How the hell did they get Kirk Windstein to pose with that? Is this even real? I've been following Crowbar and Kirk for ages and never saw this...

    • @sixstringtv1
      @sixstringtv1  3 місяці тому

      Probably money lmao

    • @heavynov
      @heavynov 3 місяці тому

      @@sixstringtv1 Oddly enough when I did some googling none of the photos of Kirk with the yellow guitar showed the headstock. And that photo with the shirt doesn't show his face either...

  • @guitarhoarder5426
    @guitarhoarder5426 3 місяці тому

    Thank god they're gone! Those guitars were GARBAGE...

  • @lordvampyr
    @lordvampyr 3 місяці тому

    Fuck yea obscura!

  • @Darkseidx
    @Darkseidx 3 місяці тому

    Shitzinpants limited edition.

  • @lillian5724
    @lillian5724 3 місяці тому

    ❤❤❤

  • @paulhendershott667
    @paulhendershott667 3 місяці тому

    Hey! I'm middle aged! 😄

  • @TonisGuitarHangout
    @TonisGuitarHangout 3 місяці тому

    It is a little offensive to throw in Mark Wahlberg in this exposion tbh. He has nothing to do with the topic and his legacy in music shall not be sullied with your words about another Mark. Please remember Marky Mark brought us hits like: music for the people, you gotta believe or good vibrations. How dare you bringing in his name and soil it with this filth! 🤢🤢😝

  • @KevinA325
    @KevinA325 2 місяці тому

    Why did you need to bash pantera listeners.

  • @TheAtariCreep
    @TheAtariCreep 3 місяці тому

    I have never owned one of these guitars mainly because I know better. I also heard that the dude behind all of it was a bit of a prick, especially when grievances were made regarding one of their guitars. But starting your video making fun of an age group is a bad look, bro. Sure, the die hards in this need to face reality, but outright being a d bag when talking about anyone who enjoy something you don't is LAZY and classless. 🤷‍♂️ YT journalism at its best. And I know it's not just you, bro. Mentioned it as a blanket statement.

  • @RowdyAF
    @RowdyAF 2 місяці тому

    Metal guitar player that hates on pantera, yeah I'll pass on your content lol

  • @0Artilary0
    @0Artilary0 3 місяці тому +10

    >Goldstein
    Oy Vey...

  • @mark6302
    @mark6302 3 місяці тому +1

    I hate seeing another Mark do something stupid. This makes us all look bad.

  • @DragDealer
    @DragDealer 3 місяці тому +3

    Came for the newS, left coz of the news kid 😂😅

  • @Wufffles
    @Wufffles 3 місяці тому +20

    American politics suck, I hate the culture war, I just want to be gay and happy

    • @mwoodlarks3121
      @mwoodlarks3121 3 місяці тому +18

      America needs to get off the right-wing reactionary train before it's too late.

    • @Wufffles
      @Wufffles 3 місяці тому +11

      @@mwoodlarks3121 facts, it's getting scary tbh. I'm in canada and it's DEFINITLY leaking over here

    • @JacubWhite38
      @JacubWhite38 3 місяці тому

      @@mwoodlarks3121 For real. The right is currently pushing for a candidate that shits themselves in court and they're proud of the fact that he's in diapers. It's terrifying

    • @pitmezzari2873
      @pitmezzari2873 3 місяці тому

      Be gay and miserable like everyone else.

    • @daemonspudguy
      @daemonspudguy 2 місяці тому

      ​@@mwoodlarks3121I'm becoming more and more scared for my safety where I live as a non-binary in Southeastern Ohio, so I cannot agree more.