KSP: I changed my mind about ion engines...
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- Опубліковано 17 кві 2020
- One of the hardest things about Laythe SSTO missions is that they always require gravity assists, unless mining or refuelling is used. Or is it.....? [vsauce music plays]
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Craft file:
mega.nz/file/ZNdnDCZL#MqgOQRR... - Ігри
You can’t just spam electrical charge for an ion ship!
Matt: hmm yes batterie
A Man With No Hat battery go zzz
But seriously, why the hell did he use 17? He couldn’t just make it a round 20?
@@cranjusmcbasketball2052 there are three more inside the front fairing tho :)
@@MattLowne can you do your next video with a flying runway and mid air refueling?
@@Shadow_king-rf3xd oui, this is a meme comment not a request comment, send it away,
(I'm just joking btw)
"I'never use ions, are terrible"
Matt 2019
Alessandro Bianchi *Russian Matt
Update we are in 2020: /
Adri 615 he said that last year bonehead
@@Mayonnaise006что
@@Idk-du1tt gotta give you a brain transplant
Dude are you ok? This seems like a clear hostage situation.
but was he taken hostage by Jack Daniels or by the Ion Engine radicals from Kerbin?
@@CRJCrombo possibly both
Well, yes... his missions do take 70 years each..
Probably not a hostage situation, he didn't leave any debris in space.
Wat
“Children over the age of 13....you know....adults.” XD
for the adult whose children are over 13
nononono no! youtube isn't for adults so that's gonna be demonitized and blocked.
But dont you dare post content for children, that's gonna be demonitized and heavily limited
ps. Teenage content is far too edgey and dont make any jokes that could mean anything slightly risky, that's gonna get you demonitized
@@ValentineC137 so everything is DEMONITIZED
he said children over the age of 30 not 13
@@NerdyCatCoffeeee You need an ear transplant.
I think the quarantine is getting to his head cuz he's using ion engines
ion reckon there's a problem anymore
@@rhino4503 death
Getting stuck inside for extended periods can get some people to go on creative streaks. For instance:
Me: doing the Jool-5 in an SSTO (Album - imgur.com/a/luIEBS9 )
My girlfriend: drawing comics of her favorite classic rock bands in quarantine situations
Matt: Flying to Laythe in an SSTO with ion engines
I'm not actually quarantined because I work for the NHS 😷
@@MattLowne And we thank you for the work you do!
When I start drinking whiskey, I will remember this series
Yeah, and when you become an alcoholic, you can blame it on Matt 😉
(joke)
@Tildin Han
69 never stays cause it's blasphemous... DEUS VULT!
King Aragorn II booooooooo
Me too
*apple juice*
10:30 In real life, some moons are hotter because of tidal forces from orbiting such a large planet
If i had to guess laythe's oceans are not frozen because of thermal vents
tater anus i think it's a combination of tidal heating, thermal vents, the atmosphere and salt in the water.
But the giant magnetospheres of Gas Giants (Jupiter for example) will kill them anyways
@@charkie2388 salt is out of the question, at that far out water would still freeze even if it was almost pure salt. If i had to guess it is from geothermal vents and possibly natural nuclear fission, we know that nuclear materials exist in the ksp solar system, because of the rtg and its description in the editor, yes it is called blutonium 239 but lets face it it is supposed to be plutonium 239;
@@tateranus4365 but salt _does_ have a role in it, right?
ion engines are my favorite for some reason. The idea that you could just have a bunch of solar panels and piles of xeon tanks and never have to stop is cool to me.
OMG HE USED IONS
Ikr...
@Yeetus Yeetus Kermit self deletus I like trains rapier engine
@Yeetus Yeetus Kermit self deletus I like trains rapier engines, are better. Change my mind
@Yeetus Yeetus Kermit self deletus I like trains dude, type rapier engine in yt search
We shoud rename the idiom “when pigs fly” to “when Matt use ions”.
KSP2 will be out by the next time he uses ion engines
Ksp 8*
Ksp 69*
KSP 420.
KSP 421?
Ksp 69420*
Lowne Aerospace: _"You'll probably be fine!"_
...needs to be a T-Shirt
Me: ooo new vid!
Also me: sees thumbnail, *ION ENGINES*
MATT HAS QUARANTINE GAVE YOU WAY TOO MUCH TIME AND DRIVEN YOU INSANE?
Matrick13 you know he’s a Doctor right
he works for the NHS
ioooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn?
@@jaydenli2125
⬅️Joke
🙋You
ICE_Kubson I totally get the joke lol, just saying
The gravity of Jool heats up Laythe keeping it warm enough for liquid water
Seriously tidal forces.
The gravity of jool and extremely salty oceans
@@luizfernando4497 Disliked due to Excessive Salt.
LOL JK
If it were any closer it would be ripped up
@@Infinite_Maelstrom nerd lol
Whenever I use ions, about 90% of the rocket is batteries
1% rocket
5% liquid fuel
4% solar panels
Any PB-NUKs though?
Haha toasty. Only youtuber I know using that is thunderf00t. Admit it, you're watching him sometimes.
I have taken the opposite approach and done 90% solar panels (by volume / surface air, not mass) and a modest battery. But once you get out to Jool it doesn’t work well.
Same
@@depth386 At that point might as well throw in some RTGs.
Or rather lots of RTGs. Have a giant payload bay that is just full of struts and radiation.
Hate to be that guy, but just wanna say that technically Jack Daniels isn't bourbon, it's Tennessee whiskey. The only difference is that Tennessee whiskey is filtered through charcoal.
Tennessee and Kentucky have always had a rivalry, and so the distillers of Tennessee didn't want to call their whiskey bourbon and be associated with Kentucky, the birthplace of bourbon.
I'm from Tennessee and I didn't know that... I am ashamed.
Man I always drink Kentucky bourbon it restores my deadeye.
As a whiskey distiller, this is incorrect information. Nearly every single whiskey around the world is filtered through charcoal (either pre- or post-barreling), including Kentucky whiskies. The requirements to be called "bourbon" is that the mash bill is at least 51% corn, made anywhere in the United States, aged in new charred oak barrels, and some proof requirements.
If some distiller doesn't want their bourbon to be called bourbon so as not to be associated with Kentucky, then they can call it something else (much to the disagreement of 1933 federal government). But that doesn't change the fact that it is legally a bourbon. So, since Jack Daniels fits all the aspects of bourbon, technically Jack Daniels IS a bourbon. They are simply not required to label it so.
But Matt! The parachute can just be shifted to a new stage for redeployment!
Exactly! Or right-click on it to deploy manually.
Oh but it can...
Ikr
But you need an engineer, and the SSTO has only once seat
@@solangerivera4846 Engineers can "re-pack" parachutes. Any crew or probe core can deploy them. At 12:40 however, he uses Jeb to re-pack the parachute.. and he is a pilot. I'm running an older version of KSP so I guess things have changed!
Can’t wait for KSP2 on this channel
Matt when KSP2 comes out: Im gonna need more Whiskey.
It just got delayed again
Also who is that in your pfp
Static Charge star theory was destroyed by take-two, you probably saw but ima say it anyways. Rip ima pirate it when it comes out, never buying take-twos games with their scummy tactics.
@@arthurmorgan4041 yes officer, this post right here! lol
@@arthurmorgan4041 it looked like star theory tried to change the deal and it back fired, tbh it looks to me like it's star theory's fault.
When I was starting out with Ksp I wanted to put a base on Duna but I thought it would be really difficult so I used ion engines so that I could have an absurdly high deltaV. It took about 3hrs in real time to get there and it was hell. I’ve never used ion engines since.
Magimo oof did u use physic time warp
@@paintyourface2989 No I was really new to the game and I hadn't really tried out mods yet. I used only standard time warp :p
I cant get physical time warp to work while burning? It just says "cannot time warp while under acceleration"
tater anus alt+ either . Or ,
@@tateranus4365 you prob figured it out by now but incase not you press Alt and .
Here I am struggling to get deliberate gravity assists and you're getting accidental, pesky ones
They aren't really *burns,* are they? They're more like...
...zaps! There we go!
This is underrated 🤣
I mean, yeah, technically you're just zapping the fuel.
@@randomguy0047 no. They are LITTERALY zapping the fuel. It uses electricity on xenon gas to ionize it and they shoot the ions out of the engine.
Next challenge: install a telecommunications network throughout the solar system and visit each planet to install measuring instruments
Valentin Ponsonnet, using ion engines
So, a grand tour?
KerbalKast Interplanetary Cable Television
Last time I was this early, the Space Shuttle was still in action...
Thats not that long ago lol
@@schlompster5136 did you get the joke?
Beautiful name
Nice meme
Wow you were early I'm so impressed! how can I be as cool as you?
" I won't go back to Laythe until it gets a texture revamps"
.
SVT, Spectra, KSPRC:" am I a joke to you?"
Installed spectra last night and my jaw dropped. It's amazing
Pretty certain he means a texture revamp as part of an update to the game, not by a mod. So yeah.
@@calebheinis965 well I dunno if KSP will be getting any more major updates before 2 comes out. I wouldn't count on it.
@@6233791 We don't know if any more will come, but it's what Matt is waiting for.
@@6233791 how, my Jool doesn't has visible bands, how did you install
When Laythe gets it's revamp it's going to be a little bit laythe to make life on Laythe
-_-
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0/10 used Kerbin, Laythe, Jool, and Sun gravity assists.
I was going to say that too!
@@halfofabucket1346 me three dude me three.
What a liar.
Unsubbed.
like do you have to get butthurt about that
@@parthjha145 it was just a joke dude
"you could not live with you're own mistakes. And where did that bring you? Back to me" -ion engine
I don’t think you understand the gravity of the situation
Do you need assistance?
A gravity assist
T0NZZ0N -_-
No just no
Matt: "You must use gravity assists to get to X"
Me: *Launches 6 massive fuel tanks and strings them together with a 7th launch for a dedicated nuclear drive system* "This is completely sane and affordable i assure you. This is the way!"
Yes but you strap so many boosters you can do on one rocket
The whiskey reviews are great, keep them going please, I love this way of dodging coppa compliance bs and making it so that we can add this video to our playlists and do other basic functions... why TF does most of that stuff somehow hurt children anyways? What's the rationale for not letting videos play in the mini player and stuff?
Because UA-cam is run by a boomer who has lost touch with the world.
Wasn't UA-cam's decision. Federal Regulators had all the power once they found out that UA-cam was tracking kids.
Also i think the mini player BS is intended to cut down on watch time ig
@@Dark0neone it's because UA-cam got sued
Laythe's upper atmosphere is compromised of mostly very power full green house gasses, there for it is incredibly warm, while being so much further from the sun than kerbin.
Venus style. but will less CO2 and more oxygen and SO2
8:05
"I'll try spinning, that's a good trick!"
"RTGs overheat, don't know why"
What even is conduction right?
Radio *Thermal* Generator
Kyle Forrest I know
@@Jognt yeah I'm just pointing out another reason why they might over heat
Kyle Forrest oh right. Honestly that was also what I was hinting at (generated heat being conducted to the surface). But looking back I didn’t really specify that bit :p so thanks for the clarification!
Matt: "You'll probably be fine!"
Me: *attempting the 2000th time to land on the Mun and fails*
you need a wide landing base, preferably having your lander wider than it is tall
Just keep at it.
It may seem impossible for now, but you can get to the Mun.
@@DS-tv2fi honestly, I've landed
Never had enough fuel to get back, can't leave mun orbit.
@@Somiaz Ah.
Have you tried a rescue craft?
@@DS-tv2fi Then the rescue craft runs out of fuel, and you have to rescue the rescue craft.
Ksp annoucing a laythe revamp;
Everyone;
*everybody stay calm it’s happening*
I remember you saying you never use ions
*well look where we are*
12:40 you can actually add another stage and move the (repacked) parachutes to that new stage and activate it/them with spacebar/staging
No one:
Literally no one:
Not a single soul:
Matt: I heard you didn't like complex maneuvers and gravity assists, so we will instead make an SSTO that can barely reach LKO and needs 6 periapsis kicks over an hour just to get to a solar orbit, then do 3 other deep space maneuvers. That seems a lot more reasonable.
I'll just move laythe closer to kerb-
*laythe slams into kerbin*
Errr...umm...quickload quickload!
lol
To be fair, that's all of my missions. Ion thrusters aee nice in the way that you mustn't worry about fuel
Anyone else have a feeling that Matt keeps doing these whiskey reviews just to make the purchse of those whiskeys tax-deductible?
Do they even do that kind of thing in the UK?
John Carr does the UK have taxes..?
@@dylanfellhoelter4296 American colonists would like to know your location
I want that on a T shirt. 'Matt Lowne Aerospace: "You'll Probably be Fine"'
Why i am subscribed:
50% ksp content
50% whiskey reviews
everybody gangsta till Matt gives a 10/10 on his whisky review.
What about an underwater base on Kerbin at the furthest point from any land Matt?
Debapratim Dutta seconded
I want this to
Point Kemo
@@michaelfixedsys7463 Kerbals have Nhemotherapy
With over 4000 hours in KSP now, I am finding my crafts are as crazy and complicated as some of matt's crafts and i always said i wish i was as good as him and i am getting close i think. Im doing gravity assists double orbit encounters Aerobraking etc. it is pretty rewarding not gonna lie I Love this Game :D
If you can do a grand tour you are up there. single stage interplanetary is also a good yardstick. I am currently stuck on the part where you go to Eve, and then still have the ability to go interplanetary.
11:49 - Wow, That Joolrise looked amazing :)
5:51 is freeze a magical word or something? right when he said it my computer crashed and gave me the blue screen of death ffs...
"You'll probably be fine."
Best motto ever.
There was this mod called persistent thrust that allowed you to burn while in time warp. It even allowed things like solar sails. It doesn't look updated sadly. But better timewarp looks nice as well.
The reason Laythe has an atmosphere and liquid water may indeed have something to do with Jool. Jool's magnetic field extends across the entire Joolian system, and its gravitational field likely does as well. In this way, it may be heating Laythe's core by continually causing friction between the side of Laythe that faces Jool and the side that doesn't, as the joolian side would be affected more and the dark side would be affected less. If this friction heating is strong enough, then Laythe's core may still be liquid and its magnetic field still be active. If the friction is large enough, then the planet's core may be hot enough to melt the icecaps and cause liquid water to exist on its surface. The air is strange, though.
With the project name “Icarus” I think you should have done 1 gravity assist using the sun
But the closest possible gravity assist.
Just enough to not explode, but close enough to melt some wings.
Jeb was in space, listening to the whirring of his terribly inefficient ion engines and eating freeze-dried food for 13 years. Mad respect
Such a cool design and way to fly it! I have my submarines & floating base built, waiting for the texture update as well.
13:15 you can change the staging mid-flight so you can reuse the parachute(plus you can click on it and it brings up a menu where you can deploy it)
You could do a cinematic "Life on Layhte"-series.
Ah yes life on layhte.
There is a real life ion engine that lifts its power supply against earth's gravity. No kidding, it is possible! Please see the Self Contained Ion Powered Aircraft.
@M C You did not look up the series of patented crafts that I am referring to! If you click on my channel icon to the left you will see 33 flight footage videos, 2 US patents, and many links with website etc. Many officials are shown that certify that it lifts its power supply with ions and there is video with them present.
Would be interesting to see the effects of dumping the fuel in a hybrid craft like this now that you have the tools to do it- maybe even using the fuel valves as low thrust engines to deorbit, since you can use the fuel separate from the oxidizer.
Yo two years ago how are you
Very interesting video, stay safe Mr Lowne and keep up the good work!
Last time I was this early, duna still had an atmosphere.
I am having a crisis why isn’t HE USING SOLAR PANELSSS MMMM (.-.)
LeBro same
And why are you almost the only one talking about it?
I pretty much enjoy my ion, 20 000 m/s deltaV rocket..
They’re basically dead weight at Jool
I imagine someone else said this, but you can also deploy parachutes (or do any option on parts in general) by right clicking on them mid flight and selecting the option (deploy chute).
It can be kinda awkward, but it's certainly still an option.
From the look of it, there were plenty of situations where the TWR of the ions was not the limiting factor, but rather the power generation of the RTGs that forced you to throttle down or split the burn further. Perhaps a single 1x6 shielded solar panel would have been a worthwhile addition. It wouldn't have helped that much at Jool, but certainly at Kerbin - both at departure and at return. Being able to burn more efficiently would likely have balanced out the dV penalty of carrying its mass.
When you watch this channel and you still cant get to the mun
...why?
You suck.
I can get there, landing in one piece on the other hand...
matt: apologises for click baiting and using gravity assists
me not knowing what the heck gravity assists are
GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND: solarsystem.nasa.gov/basics/primer/
Basically, you can trade momentum between a craft and a planet (or moon). You gain velocity and the planet loses velocity (this can work the other way too). Since the planet is way more massive than the craft, the change for the planet is negligible, and the change for the craft is substantial. Of course, the underlying math is much more complicated, and there are several factors that determine the actual change in angle and speed, but that is the gist of it.
Didn't he do aerobreaking and not use gravity assist?
Really glad you mentioned Jack Daniel's single barrel bourbon Matt ! It's definitely one of my favorites. In fact I'm looking at it's empty bottle right now because I couldn't get myself to throw away such a nice bottle so I just keep it there in the corner. Though it's really shame with the heavy taxing in my country I can't afford much of it but rarity adds to the taste I believe.
Also I think I wouldn't be wrong to say that, us, your viewers would really love a Top 10 whiskey review video even if you might think it wouldn't be a good video I'm certain it will and I will fight you for it !
Hats off to you sir, such a wonderful "longnose" craft.
Hello everybody reading 👋
Hope ya’ll staying saving... love ya’ll ❤️
Our wish is to find the light In our hearts in this current situation ✨
my wish is to be a big vehicle UA-camr..... wish me luck..... I’m struggling 🤗😊
CptEliteGamingz, stay safe too!
Keep going with UA-cam, I subbed😁
13:00 so your parachute is still IN the staging list. You can simply add yet another stage mid-flight and drag the parachute there (unless I've been dreaming that was possible. Was quite a while ago last time I played).
Fun fact, you can put a normal engine behind the ion engine, it will act as if it is it's exhaust pipe.
So yeah, you can put something like a rocket bell or aerospike engine directly against the exhaust part of those ion engines.
Even in basic Kerbal.
Remember that vertical take off prototype the US Airforce/Nasa, was experimenting with back then?
Take the biggest rocket fuel tank as middle structure, then use those big shuttle wings, maximum amount, put those solid fuel side boosters on them, let everything use that kerbaldine K1(?) engine for maximum thrust, it works, though basic Kerbal can give fun visuals, especially if you go multi-stage.
Those wings then act as RCS fuel, if done right.
This was a really creative use of Ion engines, i only really use them for unmanned satellites. Well done.
Matt fyi you can just click the little + by the stages to make a new one and drag the parashoot back up to the next stage.
An alternative to the fairing would be a structural tube, they are underrated but quite useful in situations like this plane’s thermal RTG issue
About the parachute thingy, you can stage it if you repack it, just put it on a different stage and voilà
Thank you not for the mission but for fixing the crashes I get near jool
This is gonna be a long journey how much space does a kerbal need?
Matt: No
Bro when i saw that white rock getting closer my heart stopped but then you just glitched trough it lmao.
12:51 You can right-click on the chute and deploy it manually at any point. Staging and action groups are a convenience, not a necessity.
3:50 there’s also a mod called Persistent Thrust that allows you to burn engines during time warp.
mr. lowne you channel is a real marvel! I enjoy every upload i see from you.
Hey Matt I started playing ksp 1 because of your videos keep up the good content
For me, Ion engines are good for very small craft like escape pods, and for low-G landers for Minmus, Gilly, Bop and Pol.
Hey, very nice.... PLEASE, how do you do animations? (when your rocket lift, or you plane is going to lift or start the fly)
A new Matt Lowne video, hell yeah!
17 years...
"This maneuver will cost us 11 years"
That thing looks and flies like a dart. I love it!
Matt, I don't know how available it is in the UK, given that it's almost impossible to get stateside, but have you had a chance to try Buffalo Trace Bourbon yet? Also, while JD is a very good Whiskey, it's technically Not a Bourbon. This is because they charcoal filter their water. As such, they legally cannot call it Bourbon, even though it would otherwise meet all the requirements of being a Bourbon.
You know I have missed "Storytime with Matt". As far as this? I haven't even concerned it. But Matt you could have used the MkII inline cockpit. Solar panels would have helped in the inter-solar orbits. Six of them I think with the RTG may keep the power levels up longer.
I have a challenge that you will probably never see:
Try and get to any planet/moon of your choice WITHOUT using any orbit tools or fancy equipment
I’m amazed at your gravity assist skills.
We brits be like “I’m sorry” lol :)
Interesting, I wonder what improvement solar panels can do.
Also the 400 unit pack can be attached on the cylinder 400/1000. You could probably get 30k ish units
I have used ion engines twice. Once for a probe to Jool that ran out of electric charge and got hurled into Oblivion. The only ion engine currently in service with my space agency is the "motorcycle" I built for kerbals to scoot around in LKO from station to station
Reminds me on Children of a Dead Earth: problems with ion engines that have so much delta v to overcome fuel problems, but has barely any acceleration to make tangible orbital insertion.
The tidal forces of Jool act upon Laythe creating enough friction to allow heat and water to exist, just like in real life.
Hope you feel better matt!
Hypothesis for why Laythe is able to support Kerbal life.
Huge water oceans and no life to process it, so maybe the atmosphere is super-saturated with water, and water vapor is a greenhouse gas. The greenhouse gas effect keeps the surface far warmer than it would regularly be.
When I see a new Matt Lowne KSP video my day is made.
Right!? He's the reason i started playing the game
Nice Video 👌. No idea how you are able to do this hard of a mission.
I may be wrong but I think that for moons around a gas giant would get around the same habitable temperature depending on how close they are. This would allow them to have liquid water and atmosphere. I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure I saw this in a news article or video. Anyways keep up the great videos Matt!!
my first thing to ever get into muns orbit was actually a sattelite with ion engines... and of course big solar panels. but you need some batterys in this case... it was always annoying when i couldn't burn because i'm in a shadow :D
I think that the reason Laythe is warm is because of tidal forces from Jool.
A joke
I will have you know good sir that your whisky reviews are so great that it is a core reason for why I watch these videos
Ions are the only engine you can stack on top of each other and not blow up. I put nacelles with stacks of 8 on each side of my SSTO, and add the large solar panels, this helps with both the TtW and the power drain problem. Even with just one and a little xenon you can save your self from getting stuck if you miscalculate your dV without needing a rescue mission.