Orbiting Kerbin with only ion engines - KSP
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- Опубліковано 16 кві 2019
- The original ion plane: • The Odyssey by Bill, B...
Stratzenblitz's electric Duna mission: • KSP - Duna and Back us...
Ion drive: The first flight: • Ion drive: The first f...
Wow! I remember participating in the Ion Plane Research Challenge on the forums a while back, and I helped with getting ion planes to increasingly high altitudes, but I was convinced that ions to orbit was a feat on the edge of possibility, much less Duna! My hat is off to you, sir!
It was this challenge that was the inspiration to try this! Thanks for the motivation.
So that's what Brad meant all those months ago about an Ion Plane.
Bradley playes ksp three levels above everybody else. So Impressive
hey man i migh think i can do even lighter that what he did (more lighter means less engines batteries and tanks) by using decouplers(yet i dont know where to post it so you can see it
*Tips le'fedora* M'sirdy
Congratulations, on pushing the limits further.
@Bradley Whistance You know you're good at playing KSP when @Scott Manley himself comments on your video and congratulates you :D
Scott Manley i agree with you
THAT'S HIGH PRAISE!
Bruh your last names "Manley" that's a powerful name, at least just as good as "Breedlove"
ppl here litsen i am gonna try to make a ion plane with decouplers(3.75m decoupler gives me kick into a higher altitude meaning i might be able to make it lighter (less engines tanks and batteries))
Reverse clickbait: Says he goes to LKO but actually does even more by going to Duna instead
To be fair ion engines are best at interplanetary so it's far less notable than the first part, it's a high bar to try and reach though
I clicked this comment at 999 and watched it go to 1k... Never been more proud of myself in my entire life
"Mom can you give me Xenon for LKO?"
"To buy LKO?"
"Yeeees."
[Actually buys manned Duna return flight,, like a boss]
manned Duna return flight time
Yeah, it's a clap for your click.
Still clickbait :(
Next Time : How to Orbit using a Firecracker and a Bucket
Fart into Bucket us as Ballon and you got yourself a rocket.
@@szuegyigabriel3159 Firecracker to get you into orbit
Aren't SRBs technically just enormous firecrackers?
Work out, until you can at least lift your own weight. Get a Bucket big enough to sit in. Get in your Bucket, grab the Handle and place it over your head, now pull it up until you reach space. Use the Firecracker to bleed off speed on re entry.
Bucket full of liquid fuel
This little guy not only made a landing and takeoff on a foreign body, but also made scientific history in doing so - and absolutely nobody was there to welcome him home? He even had to open doors by himself.
This is because no one cares about bill, and therefore in the eyes of society, his accomplishments are no grander than a 3 yo's maceroni art. A picture might have been put up on the pilot lounges fridge, but it was quickly switched for a crayon drawing by valentina's daughter.
@@ikatekeda6267 oof
i like bill
@@ikatekeda6267bro don’t tell me that kerbals reproduce that is the worst thing ever
@@user-hf4pz3ij3m you wouldn’t get it it’s old. Well if you really need to know it’s the last couple words of his sentence
Somebody: "It's impossible to get into orbit using only ion engines"
Bradley: "I'm gonna do it anyways"
Also Bradley: "I'm gonna fly to duna, land there, take off again, come back to kerbin, reenter the atmosphere and land bill at the ksc while flying under 3 bridges in the process, all using the same craft."
"Going to Kerbin orbit"
-Ends up on Duna
You're just too modest Bradley
The opposite of clickbait: a clickrepellent
@@JarbasTardo
Nice
@@JarbasTardo how much thrust does it provide?
@@coobk373
-956 kN
He’s such a mad lad
There’s a tiny hole at the top of the VAB under the helipad, good luck, it’s very small
I second this suggestion
commented exactly this, then saw this comment, go for it
This hole? ua-cam.com/video/kt6bOCKLhIU/v-deo.html
Next video I will send bill through on the paraglide =)
@@BradleyWhistance what point in the video do you go through the hole?
@Toby Massoom ... if you follow the link, it goes directly to the spot in the video where it happens, lol
I swear, one day you'll find a way to build an ion SSTO
Maybe an electric only ssto with his 1000m/s prop plane, probably not possible idk
@@iain3713 Absolutely not possible, in order to get to orbit you need to have at least SOME thrust outside of the atmosphere, props will not do ANYTHING once he's in space, so he would be unable to do the final maneuver to LKO. that being said, an orbit using props is possible, it would simply not be an SSTO, once he's out of the atmosphere, he can wait until he hits his Apoapsis, rotate the craft in order to create centrifugal force, and decouple (Therefore making the craft not an SSTO) to slingshot the desired part of the craft into LKO, however, in order to return back to the surface, he would need to bring more then one thing to decouple, as each of these slingshots require a decouple. he would essentially need to bring another weighted object up with him for every maneuver he planned on making while outside the atmosphere. this is also assuming KSP's physics allows a prop to have enough power to reach a suborbital trajectory. i've made my fair share of props. and they don't put out much power once you exit the lower atmosphere, so it would probably be even harder to get one into a suborbital trajectory then getting this thing to Duna was. that being said, he's a genius, and could probably pull something crazy off and make it work. I would love to see if, and if he sees this comment, I would love to know what he thinks, or even see a video on it.
@@blemmyes Well, I'm not going to say he couldn't, but no matter how good you.are, I don't think it's possible to make a prop plane that can get that far out of the atmosphere without any other form of movement. I will admit I haven't crunched the numbers, nor would I be able too (mathz be hard) but it just doesn't seem very likely, then again neither did an orbit using only ion engines. That being said, if he managed to exit the atmosphere with enough speed, and traveling in the right direction, while the Mun was in the right spot... Hypotheticaly, yes, a gravity assist could be used to get into a stable orbit without any sort of burn after leaving the atmosphere. The biggest problem I see with this whole thing, is although props can be rather powerful, unlike most engines, they lose a LOT of power as the craft gains speed, and at high enough speeds they can often clip through your ship, or even summon the Kracken. **shudders**
If you don't know what a prop in KSP actually is, it's not an actual engine. To make a prop, you essentially build a ship that's trapped inside a Propeller housing on your main craft, and use reaction wheels to spin that ship really fast, so the propeller isn't actually connected to your main ship. That makes it prone to fail in many conditions. High speed, hard turns, and just general bad luck will easily wreck most props. Even if the math works out for a prop plane he makes, it would be a miracle if he managed to reach sub-orbital velocities without any clipping or issues.
SSTA ?
@@ioangauss SSTO: Single Stage To Orbit. It means a ship that can go from the ground, to orbit, and back, without needing to decouple or jettison anything. Usually they are also supposed to be reusable, but it's not strictly required to be an SSTO.
This is utterly incredible -- brilliant work!
You're late...
Why haven't you Uploaded in a while
@@coobk373 Still
Please come back.
I miss the good content
Next:Go to Moho with fire extinguisher
The Dark Zibba Rises Wall-E style
Irl fire extinguishers have more thrust than ion engines. Your bathroom faucet has more thrust than ion engines
I recommend Sepratrons...
obi_dank_kenobi hmmm
get to eve orbit with a unicycle and a fire hose
Found this with 420 likes. Not gonna touch it
*One can't achieve LKO using Ion Engines only*
Bradley: "Here's a little lesson in trickery~"
Bradley: Oh I forgot to add a parachute
also Bradley: Nevermind, I'm gonna land it anyway
“Irritatingly this is a true statement, but with a dash of trickery we can turn it into a false statement”
Have you ever considered a career in politics, Bradley?
He’s too intelligent to be participating in that forum of apes. It’s best that he keeps playing KSP whilst having the occasional speech.
Or law
@@donut5818 ik this is a year ago but i see you everywhere
@@enderman5423 great minds think alike and thusly have the same recommended videos
@@donut5818 lol
Next go to Tylo and back using only the EVA pack
Vladimir Lenin instant coment
Go to Pluto In RSS white the Eva pack
You can't land or get to orbit with an EVA pack, but depending on how many hours you want to spend on it, you can get from LKO to Tylo orbit (or anywhere, really) by pushing a command ahead of you. You can refill by entering thw pod, effectively giving you infinite range.
@@Jonassoe Way to state the obvious mate. 😉
You can do it if you have a command pod
ho- how d-
this video is the opposite of clickbait.
you told me you would orbit kerbin and then you landed on duna
Still clickbait
But it's good clickbait
Did you just copied another person comment
And added this "im retarded and need attention" unecesarry space?
@@gs-nq6mw added the: “are you seriously accusing that the person stole a comment, but they commented a year before you replied????”
The electric slingshot on large props is such an elegant, *beautiful* contraption!!
It looks like something straight out of a Studio Ghibli movie!
Suggestion:
While bored waiting for Bill to return from space, the KSC engineers decided to mount a giant flaming ring to the top of the VAB for Bill to fly through on his return
Brad: completes the incredible and normally impossibly feat of achieving level flight with only ion engines
Brad: one-ups himself and takes it to orbit
Brad: Pulls a sneaky on all of us and goes to Duna and back
I know you probs see this a lot but this level of problem solving, knowledge, and process oriented solutions could def land you a job somewhere.
Ps. This is the greatest thing I’ve seen all week, i don’t even know how you’re gonna beat this, but I have confidence you will sometime.
Next: bill pilots a toaster to the surface of the sun and back.
Then he proceeds to fly to the sun of another system and go back safely
A Sunbeam toaster?
Everyone: You can't get to LKO with only ion engines.
This mad lad: Goes to Duna and back with only ion engines.
Logic: Am I a joke to you
Bradley *showing stratzenblitz75 video*: this is one of my favourite ksp videos
Also Bradley: *uses only ion thrusters to get to duna then uses a bloody ion powered spacechair?? to get back to kerbin*
Also, for paragliding shenanigans, I recommened landing in that fake water outside the Administration Centre.
legend says bill is still pondering about the fake water
I actually used that as a landing area the other day
Next Video:
Returning from Eve sea level to Kerbin using 1 million ion engines
Atually i did some [crappy] math and now sure that it ia possible to build a ion SSTO (to Kerbin orbit). Theoretically, by enlarging the nuber of engines to a unhealthy margins you should be able to do a Kerbin-Eve-Wherever you want to - Kerbin SSTO, but it would take literally hundreds of thousands of parts.
let’s do it
Fire up the ion engines
Полор Єлеон the exhaust alone would increase Eve’s atmospheric pressure dramatically just in the form of xenon gas.
His PC is just gonna break...
imagine on reentry Astronauts jumping out of their Heatshield-chairs just to parachute right onto their office chairs
Thats some badassery
I thought to suggest a paraglider landing on to a rocket that just took off, but that would eventually just put us at square one again.
Is it possible to paraglide to the top of the KSC flagpole and make it give you the "[F] Grab/Climb" menu before you start falling down?
I dont know but i am gonna try now😉
Wait is this KSP or a Mario game?
Dabbing Kerbonaut should it be “Super Kerman Bros” or “Mario Space Program”
1UP
I've tried this, but haven't succeeded yet. I believe you have to cut the chute before grabbing... need more testing to be sure.
I really enjoyed not only the gameplay content but the way you narrated and edited this video. Thanks!
Destroy astronaut complex beforehand, and land Bill on toilet seat that sticks out from ruins!
Woa
EDIT: wat you just 1-upped stratzenblitz75
Amazing!
Kinda. I mean stratz was right you can't get to orbit with an Ion engine stock. I wish ksp would do something about the part count limits
Part clipping is stock right?
Saxie81 you can’t get to orbit with ion engines only from sea level
@@Saxie81 Well you can if you are satisfied with 1 fps. But yeah. I think parts that aren't exposed to the atmosphere shouldn't have drag applied.
Does FAR help with this? Doesn't it only calculate drag based on shape, so clipped parts won't generate drag?
This is an absolutely phenomenal video. Just astounding in every way.
so much work and planning put into this. So humble with the title too :P love this so much!
“Just over 2,000 ion engines and just over 16,000 batteries” **Oh my**
Great description on drag man! In the aviation pilot world we call that induced drag versus parasite drag (lift versus body). Keep it up! Literally!
Your videos are so incredible! Fantastic work!
Thank you, UA-cam algorithm, for bringing this to my feed.
What an amazing video, how in the hell you managed to pull this off is astounding; well done.
Well you’ve done whats considered previously impossible yet again. Amazing video.
For Landing:
Create a small platform that floats above the KSC
And Land on that
Higher than the VAB and Smaller,
Edit(Since i thought of another idea): Land on the ATC of Both the KSC and the Old runway
Great video! Love all the detailed technical explanation!.
Normally don't watch this type of stuff but your video was actually quite entertaining and informing! Great work!
I have a suggestion for you involving one of three of my planet pack mods. Now I know you don't usually play with planet packs, but hear me out:
1) Alternis Super-Tylo. In the Alternis Kerbol Rekerjiggered mod, the planet Tylo has some interesting and poorly explored aeronautical properties. 4 gees of gravity, 0.7 atmospheres of pressure, but all crushed down so low that the atmosphere is only usable in the lowlands (indicated on the biome map). Ever since NovaSilisko created the original AKR, the prospect of a super-tylo flags, footprints, and return mission has eluded all but the badass but not well-known Metaphor05--and that was back before re-entry heating. The first person to land on Tylo and Return with Re-entry heating will get three gold stars! You also start orbiting a warmer Jool where Tylo used to orbit, which is also interesting.
1b) There's also two comets in orbits completely unlike anything in stock KSP that you might be interested in.
1c) I've always wondered if you could do a jet-engine-only transfer from Kerbin to Laythe and vice versa with Alternis. At any rate, a Kerbin-Laythe Spaceplane would be interesting here.
forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/120246-17-alternis-kerbol-rekerjiggered-v240-april-10th-2019/
2) Whirligig World. Whirligig World is a mod that makes you start on the planet Mesbin, a rapidly rotating super-kerbin with a mass of 71 kerbins, and 13 gees of gravity at the poles. But with a 28 minute rotation period, equatorial gravity of this oblate object is reduced to 1.286 G. The result is that getting to orbit is fairly easy, landing is similar to Tylo landing, and escaping Mesbin without ISRU on one or many of its moons is very difficult. It's also a surprisingly fun career game. There's plenty of daring and interesting locations to visit in the system, but the complication of coming back home to Mesbin when you have to slow down with no atmosphere makes any standalone mission daring--even a simple Mun (Graymun) Mission. (There's also a more kerbinlike experience with the Kerbmun Homeworld patch, but I recommend WW specifically for the difficulties presented by the Mesbin homeworld.)
forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/166563-170-whirligig-world-planetary-system-an-absurd-homeworld-in-an-alien-solar-system-091-482019/&
3) Seven worlds of SLIPPIST-1. This is a fairly realistic, stock-scale analogue of the TRAPPIST-1 solar system. You can either start the game from Kerbin, in which case the system will be far away at 6.4e13 meters, or you can start the game from SLIPPIST-1e "Echo," the most Kerbinlike of the planets. It would be interesting to see you try to accomplish an interstellar mission with stock parts, as 6.4e13 m is not an entirely unreasonable distance for a kerbal starship to travel. But even without, the planets Bravo and Charlie are somewhat extremely daunting destinations to visit, and a grand tour of (most of) these seven worlds would be fascinating to watch. The planets are all in a resonance chain, which could result in some interesting gravity assists.
forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/157020-17-seven-worlds-around-slippist-1-v072-update-march-12th-2019/
If anyone can build an Earth ssto in rss with stock parts, it would be you.
Someone else has already done it. Apparently multiple people have. Did a search to find out the link and saw several.
2 RD-191 Engines with a 4 meter by 35 meter tank filled with about 250 tons of Kero/lox and a probe core and batteries has over 9,000 meters per second of delta V, witch should make it an SSTO. They are fairly easy to build if you select the correct engines, really any of the better Oxygyen rich staged combustion engines work well.
Dude, these videos are incredibly cool
Incredible. I have no words for how amazing this is. I love efficiency so much.
KSP will go down in history as one of the best games ever created. It's literally one of the only games I've played other than say 2 others which I have played over 1000 hours. And that's not even grinding or mindless shit like in WOW where I have like 1500 played. It's legit planning, building, flying, and just doing all the things that require your attention and brain power dedicated to the task.
cringe
Istg, You're the type of guy that would be able to do tylo on only ION Engines xD
keep up the great work❤
I'm not sure how one would orbit Tylo with ion engines. You would need to somehow survive orbital speeds while on the surface. Its just not flat enough!
@@BradleyWhistance That's a valid argument :p
@@BradleyWhistance But will that stop you from trying?
That was totally unexpected, but it is always good news, when you upload. Keep it up, man
It surprises me that this channel doesn't have at least 100k already. The videos that you upload are absolutely amazing and your videos always have a lot of work put into them. Every time you upload I actually get excited, this channel is one of very few whose uploads actually excite me. I really love your videos, keep them up.
Me: Struggling to get a rocket to Duna.
Bradley: Getting to Duna and back to Earth using only ion engines, and landing with stunts at the Kerbal Space Center.
Landing suggestion: have a guided missile try to hit bill.
Looks like some pretty dank ion age tech you got there
You are amazing bradley, i love you and your videos
I don't even play the game, but I can totally respect the amount of engineering behind this and love to hear you explain the decisions made.
11:10 900m/s HMMMMMM COULD IT BE AN EELOO LANDING?
900 not 9000
bill kerman Maybe. I forgot how much delta v is needed for Eeloo
Oh yes, I see now. I'm gonna get wooshed
@@billkerman7733 There is still about 450 m/s of delta in jetpack)
@@user-tz4ph9om1k 450m/s? sounds like jool grand tour for me
13:32 This is one of the greatest landings I have ever seen so far and it is a thing of beauty. The way he perfectly bleeds off and controls his speed to land the way he did should earn a medal, especially since he used his quick thinking after realizing he forgot a parachute. You, sir, are amazing.
Was looking for this comment!
Dude, you are so much better at KSP than I will ever be. That video was excellent!
I love how no one was outside to congratulate Bill for returning alive. They were all just like, oh he's back damn than mans invincible.
glide into the cockpit/lawn chair of the next mission (preferably after said mission took off)
You can’t get into a chair when moving, so you’d have to just hit the chair and then quickly enter.
@@alexsiemers7898 so what your telling me is... You need to.. Get into the chair... To get... Into the chair
This video is seriously one of the most impressive things after the gravitationale wave detection. U rock
Dude, what sorcery is this? Every time i though he reached the limit, he does something amazing... i didn't know the power of ion engines, going to look up with working with them now. A great video and even greater skill.
You could always make him land on a rocket in mid-flight to orbit
>orbits kerbin with only ion engines
>decides to go to duna also
excuse me...
*what?!?!*
When it was just him on that tiny ion chair with the milky way under him, it was so freaky. Just imagine actually having only that keeping you in tact and taking you home. It's like a motorcycle. Such little surface area!! Great video.
This is a really great video, loved every second of it. :D
When landing, try and circle each antenna on the tower :D
Could you pls provide the non-welded craft file so someone with NASA supercomputer can test it? Or you stacked already welded assemblys only?
Even if someone’s computer could handle 25,000+ parts (batteries, engines AND tanks), the kraken would very quickly take control anyway
This is just... woaw.
If this guy was in an anime, this dude would be the type where they can predict everything you'll do in the next 30 years, and execute anything that is deemed impossible to the utmost perfection.
loved the video you absolute madlad.. so happy for bill
*Brain.exe has stopped working*
Landing idea: fly through the opening at the top of the VAB and then land on the control tower
I randomly watched this video at 3am and well I understand bugger all, seems amazing
This is pure sorcery. Awesome job!
Congrats on effectively using a fart machine to orbit a planet. 👏
You mentioned in the previous video that you didn't want to do Moho with just the boring old techniques. How about landing inside the Mohole with the lightest craft possible - the hole caused by a glitch in the terrain generation at north pole of Moho?
You might get some inspiration from this reddit thread: www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/81yucq/weekly_challenge_week_158_mohole_adventures/
The safest way appears to be using some wheels to sort of hang from the sides as the very bottom is prone to kraken attacks.
Amazing work!
Very impressive, and great commentary too!
My ideas:
-get from minmus surface to minmus orbit with only decouplers
-crash an unguided missile into the VAB from orbit (or the flag pole, if thats too easy)
-Eve rescue mission: similar to what I had to pull off lately: landed rocket not enough dv, so I had to make suborbital (2km/s missing) crew transfer. Do a more advanced version of it: Crew transfer rescue mission in upper Eve atmosphere (with rockets, not planes or other lift providers)
Have you tried Wind Tunnel mod? It graphs performance of atmospheric vehicles, however i don't think it would handle such complex aircraft.
Thoroughly impressed good sir!
holy cow, congratulations, Bradley!
10:25
*explosion*
Bradley:
Detaching stages is quite safe at this point
Has Jebediah tested this? If Jeb enjoys it, nobody else will!
Great work!
Kudos! Very well done!
Fly through the hole below the Helipads on the VAB
2 hours 30 minutes to reach a mountain for a video. Amazing how you will do anything to prove a point
That title is a bit of a understatement, isnt it? Well done.
Man, as someone who does (the exact opposite of what you do in KSP) in KSP... You kick ass at this. Well played, dude.
Do a 4km/s reentry to a hover slam on top of the VAB.
lol
Me: can’t even get an ion rocket off the ground with 0.1 gravity
This guy: reaches orbit
WUT
Promises to Orbit Kerbin, and delivered. Decided he wants to do more, ended up in Duna. FORGOT TO BRING PARACHUTES, LANDS ON DUNA USING ION ENGINES... What a madlad
This was a sick video, subbing.
Try paragliding through the space between 2 landing pads on top of VAB
You mean this? ua-cam.com/video/kt6bOCKLhIU/v-deo.html
Next landing: double bridge and then land on top of SPH
When you're parachuting back down, have a plane come flying in from the runway, and pick Bill up midflight while parachuting.
i actually saw your old video, it was like one of the first ksp video i ever saw
Get to orbit using only RCS thursters...good luck and May God bless your computer...😁😁😁🤣
Jan Mlíčko what about the verner rcs?
@@Core-1948I totally forgot about these🙃🙃. Let's put it differently...Get to orbit using only engines that burn monoprop. The 'puff' is banned.
@@janmlicko7150 this has already been done if you search monoprop rocket
Jan Mlíčko pretty sure Scott Manley already did that
11:56 - Granted, Eve is significantly harder than Duna due to the considerable difference in inclination.
officially my favorite vid on UA-cam
Yet another awesome video :D