Shiv Roy from Succession is a Terrible Person
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2023
- All hail Sarah Snook for the performance of a lifetime.
In this spoilery video essay about Succession, we talk about why Shiv is is just terrible. Maybe not as bad as her siblings or maybe the worst of them all? There's a lot of discourse around her character lately but if you look back over the four seasons of Succession, Shiv has been written consistently as a truly awful person. While I think there's a possible skew of hating on her because she's a woman, we need to point out that she's not a girl boss. She puts her needs in front of everyone else, betrays her siblings and her husband, and reacts harshly to any kind of disloyalty when she gives absolutely no loyalty. Though, in the end, she made the right choice.
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Why does the love child of Karolina and Billy Skarsgärd have a UA-cam channel?!
lol Billy, or Alexander?
*Skarsgård
Lol 😂
Who is Billy? Does Alexander have a brother?
@@cj3126 yup a few siblings who act and model lol look up the Skarsgard family on your free time if interested 👌
Shiv pretends to have a moral compass but is amoral. She’s smart but not emotionally intelligent. She’s aware of the situation but has no self awareness.
thissssssssssss
This is not an attack at you but she is not smart. What skill does she have? What outstanding analytical abilities? She’s marginally smarter than Connor. Even Connor knew he wouldn’t be president deep down but he just wanted to give it his best shot. This idiot legitimately thought she was going to be ceo and push some of her ideas on mattson even though she’s a nobody.
no self awareness whatsoever 😭😭😭😭 anytime she argued with Tom or tried to get snotty n gloaty about her current “chess move” id just be like “question mark?????” it was actually comical, it was like giving a lap dog a piece of a treat while none of the other dogs “have one” meanwhile they all received an WHOLE treat an hour ago lmfaooo
The fact she'd rather be under her "Dog" Tom than see her fkin family be in control is god level pettiness 😂
Agree
The interesting thing to me about the finale is it seems like Connor was the #1 boy all along?! He planned the funeral, he was at a dinner party performing silly songs and poems with his dad and the old guard just before he died. He got his dad's medals. He got his dad's apartment (he overpaid to Marcia but still.) I feel like in a way Connor came out on top by staying above the fray.
Yup he’s ultimately in a great place compared to others lmao
Nd remember he’s the eldest son
He wasn't fighting for his father's acceptance like the others because he always saw himself as the left over child, he didn't need it
Agreed
Candace,I agree. Nobody is speaking on this. But Connor at that dinner being w the warm Logan shocked the other siblings. Well maybe just Logan being warm. I do think Connor was smarter than they all gave him credit for.
After all, he was interested in politics at a very young age....
She might be the most insecure character I ever came across. Sarah plays that part of her so well, that there were moments at the beginning where I thought it might be the actor being insecure about their performance. No. She stays that way all the way through. Edit: Homelander slipped my mind
Like Tom said: "You are incapable of thinking about anybody other than yourself because your sense of who you are is that f***ing thin."
Homelander is god tier man made experiment. Now imagine shiv had all that baggage and power, she’d probably be far worse than Homelander.
It's insane anyone read the last scene between them as her having the best for her brothers, or the company on her mind, or having any sort of scheme, just look at her fumbling for an excuse to support her decision and Sarah's expression when Kendall's begging, she's gloating.
She wasn’t fumbling for an excuse. She very flatly explained “I don’t think you would be good at it.” She was giving up her own leverage to make that decision.
Couldn't have said it better. I felt pity for Kendell for trying so badly to be Logan, but too bratty and mostly a screw up. But Shiv just thought she was smarter than she was and throw Tom to the wolves if it would help her cause. Loved this show.
glad you made this, saw so many people calling her a savior when I would argue she's way worse than Kendall
Exactly she’s the worst
How she supposed to be worse than stitch hugging Kendall
She is no way shape or form worse than Kendall. He KILLED a person.
Yeah I wouldn’t call her worse that absent abusive Kendall
@@jayware4219 Willingly signing the hit piece that made Rava doubt Kendall about his sobriety, and made the later take drugs again does not make her a bad person...noooo
What bothers me most about Shiv is that her lack of experience in a company is constantly being brought to her face, and the one move she doesn't play is WORKING AT THE COMPANY. If Kendall had the company Shiv could officially hold a position and climb up later. She's locked herself out now.
I agree, but I also think Shiv thinks with Tom in charge she can still have a bit of power of him, meaning she'll have more power than Kendall
I think Kendall could have sold his siblings on him as CEO more easily if he told them it wouldn't be permanent. He would be CEO now, and they could have their shot in the future. I think they could have stomached that and been fully on board.
@@pji1979 nobody would believe that bullshit
She should’ve gone to the onboarding management training with Roman. Even if it was just a formality, it’s important for optics.
@@pji1979 there is no way any of them would have bought that. although if he really sucked the board would fire him anyway
She is literally the worst person. She always overestimates her position and bites off more than she can chew. She always uses everything, from her political position, to her pregnancy to her marriage with Tom to leverage people who are in weaker positions. She tries to have her cake and eat it too but then plays victim when things don't work out. Any worse of all in the final scene, her choice literally ripped the family apart. Kendall will never recover from this and will never forgive shiv. All because she hated the image of him winning over her that she chose a life that basically mirrors her mother (a mother that she absolutely hated)- a housewife, absent mother to her children and stuck in a loveless marriage to a CEO of a multi-billion dollar conglomerate. She literally became the thing she hated the most because she couldn't have the ego or bear the idea that kendall would win over her. Not to mention how Tom was basically a slave for her until the end of season 3. Once shiv saw Kendall's feet on logan's desk, she decided right then and there that she would rather drag everyone down than see Kendall win.
It's genuinely so so so sad. I think it's my fiduciary duty to sue the writers of Succession for emotional damage.
@@JenniferMcD I think for the actual plot of the story, the circularity of it all is great. Especially if you watch season 1 episode 1 right after, you realize that basically, the Roys stayed exactly where they were in the beginning but only now they are more apart and broken than ever. But yeah the writers owe me therapy money. I will never recover from the finale.
This show was emotionally devastating for the most part
I never thought i would hate a character that much,i fucking hate her.
The only reason I rooted for shiv this whole show is that she was the only woman in the family and that resonated with me, but after the show ended, I don’t know why I forgot the fact that she tried to silence a rape victim just for power. Shiv was truly a terrible person.
It’s easy for us to forget to all the characters are damaged abuse victims that don’t have it together. The writers made them relatable enough to make them liked by certain people and we momentarily forgot that in the finale. Women fighting against society rooted for shiv, type A personalities rooted for Kendall…
I bet you voted for Hillary just because she’s a woman lol.
That time in the park was hard core.
Tom knows the game and is good at it. Shiv has only watched the game. When she got invited to play, she understood the rules, but never had the practice playing said game. Tom has been playing a while now, and some how…Tom always wins.
She really is a terrible person. I get accused of internalized misogyny for preferring Kendall over her. But Kendall is just not nearly as much of a backstabber. I don’t like Roman either. But Shiv was so unbelievably cruel to Tom! I felt bad for her when Logan dangled the CEO position in front of her and yanked it back but she soon lost my sympathy. By contrast, I see Kendall is a tragic hero. He just wanted the CEO position so bad and just wanted his siblings by his side only to get stabbed in the back over and over. He was like Gatsby constantly reaching for the green light. I don’t for a second believe that she actually cared about the caterer dying. She just wanted a “gotcha” moment and she cruelly threw it in her brother’s face.
Yeah, if she gave a shit about the waiter she would've said something earlier, she just used him as ammunition
Was he a tragic hero when he killed that waiter or
@@BriarPatchNyrait was an accident, and the moronic waiter steered away from the deer and into the water.
The way how people are trying to martyr shiv in order to salvage something moral in this show is excruciating. She might’ve not gotten what she wanted but she could’ve walked away. Yet she chose to stay she she is definitely ‘okay’ with the outcome. She made that decision.
Shiv is a major critique on wyt feminism. The fact that so many wyt feminists - even some major channels here on YT - are missing the point and lauding her as some kind of hard-done-by heroine when she silenced a female SA victim, handwaved away workplace harassment of another woman, was ready to be a deadbeat mum, abandoned her political 'morals', and deceived everyone close to her is laughable. She used both her pregnancy and Kendall's manslaughter confession as 'gotcha' moments. She is trash, just like her brothers, with an added excuse.
Shiv won.
This is 100% correct. The fact white liberal women are the first ones to get pissed and in their feelings about any critiques of Shiv further proves the point. Jesse Armstrong thinks liberals are a complete joke from this show.
@Leston Thompson what did she win?
@bouncyshak 👍 A lot of the criticism went over peoples heads, was insane to see people champion her as the heart of the family.
you get it!!
Shiv is irredeemably horrible. The way she constantly emasculates, humiliates, and sabotages her own husband. The way she feels entitled to everything, despite being the only sibling to never put in the work. And at the end, when her jealousy of her brother led her to destroy her father's entire legacy and company. She is the worst person ever.
Nah, she is bad but she is far from the worst from them all
"Emasculates" nah that's some misogynistic bullshit
Shiv is the worst man! Anyone who sees her as a hero needs to be checked.
Really anyone who sees any of them as a hero
she's a snake character
Yup no wonder Tom gave her dat scorpion glass stuff it’s a paper weight ig ?
omg who would of thought a character on a show about terrible ppl would be a terrible person 🙄
i know! it's wild.
0:54 Tom won by not playing both sides, but by only tying himself to the winning side (much like Stewy)
I hate Shiv. She overestimates herself, underestimates everyone else, is noncommittal, so leaves everyone hanging, she's a complete hypocrit (ex: total liberal, but open to Mencken), betrays her own brothers for nobody and nothing...I could go on and on.
Shiv won though.
@Leston Thompson She's about to have a child with a man she doesn't love and doesn't love her, who's the temporary CEO of her father's company, she will get used sexually by Mattson just as he used her for his business ends, she severed her relationship with her brother, and she still has to live with herself on top of everything. Sounds great. Here's her trophy 🏆
@@lestonthompson8495 how’d she win she gets nothing she’s in a dead marriage with Tom I doubt she’ll be able to abuse him anymore so she can’t get his power and now she’s worse then her mother
@@Ace-0f-Spadez Shiv became a Queen instead of the sister of the King, she made a pile of money off the sale of Waystar Royco. By staying with Tom she is still privy to the company's private jets, Yachts, and other benefits. As far as the Dead end marriage she had already asked Tom a couple times if he wanted to make it work and that was before she knew he would be CEO, so maybe Shiv found love and didn't want to lose Tom.
@@lestonthompson8495 even if she didn’t want to lose Tom every Roy sibling is most likely loaded and set for life shiv it’s the power they want and she lost it completely Tom ain’t gonna give her any of it
Great analysis. The views from fans after the finale were just insane. They all convinced themselves she did this to free Kendall.
You covered everything but I have to mention the fact she mentioned the kids death in the last scene, it was the worst thing she did on the show. She brought up the one thing that drove him to suicide just a few months back while taking away his life long ambition.
It doesn't matter. Mattson is going to run Waystar/ATN into the ground. He might make a bundle before that happens, but his shenanigans will catch up with him.
inb4 Kendall swoops in 6 months later being like 'stewy I've got a plan.'
My vote for 'least terrible' person goes to Tom. Great insights, thanks for the video!
Greg is the only one who doesn't project his suffering onto someone else
Nah, he is lapdog and abuser too, he just didn't have the power to exercise it in others but Greg.
"Least terrible" would be Jess. I was thinking about Gerri or Karolina, but they were yes women to Logan, although not to the kids. It was implied that Jess may have done non-virtuous things to get where she's at, but, ultimately, she chose to leave. That's why she is "least terrible". As for the inner circle--the Roys (Tom and Greg included) and the old guard--they are all equally terrible for choosing the company over their humanity. Evil is evil.
Gerri is definitely the least terrible of the main group...
Tom literally helps cover up the company's years of numerous murders and sexual assaults scandal.
Omg you are my hero. I have said Shiv’s reaction had nothing to do with altruism it was petty and spiteful and she’s rather be under the shoe of Tom and Matsson than see her brother assume power. And though I don’t think Kendall would let her be Co CEO he’d definitely give her a division to hear but she’s that bitter that she’d rather allow a person who she told she hates and Matsson who screwed her over take over. Yet online ie Twitter if you criticize Shiv you’re suddenly misogynistic. I’m a female and it makes as much sense as saying one can’t criticize Lady MacBeth.
Thank YOU!! I understand the sentiment, a lot of people being quick to say misogyny when criticizing a woman, but people have short memories and forget all the terrible things she did. Cunt is as cunt does
Yeah it’s pretty wild
She is the WORST character of the show and I fucking love her 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
top tier editing. i feel like you when through the entire series to find these clips. love the set up omgggg.
No, you!
She lost me when she silenced a SA victim. I thought she had strong progressive values but it turns out it was all performative.
Kendal should have fought for one more vote to avoid being in the hands of Shiv. Kendal should have known he could not trust Shiv, especially, when her own husband was going to be appointed CEO. Kendal knowing she betrayed them and how cocky she was about it should have anticipated this situation out of revenge.
The way Jesse wrote Kendall in the last episode felt kinda forced to me. He showed many signs of growth during the season and they all got thrown out the window in the last 10 minutes of the show. Especially as you said him trusting Shiv and Roman
Kendall definitely fucked it. If he hadn't been so cocky in the boardroom and actually explained their plan... if he had kept his cool when Shiv left the room and tried to talk reasonably to her, and then he shouldn't have lied about the kid.
I don’t know, Kendall pretty much fucked it up by being too confident he was gonna win.
Watching shiv, especially in this last season when it clicked for me, was almost triggering how she reminded me of my mother.
Not in the power and wealth sense obviously but in the behavior. Thinking only of herself, wanting for everything to always win out for her, being absolutely sure she knows so much better than anyone else about anything, full of arrogance, fearing any sort of intimacy and hiding emotions to not be "weak", general childish behavior etc.
Together with whith Sarah snook's performance of all those emotions and her general appearance, it's almost scary for me.
And what you said about loyalty and self victimization is perfect.
In a weird way, shiv's character helps me to grow by learning more about this type of personality and behavior.
Siobhan Roy had the most circular and poetically tragic story.
She made herself into a monster in an attempt to overcome society's gendered glass ceilings, and her brothers.
Ironically, her maniacal drive only led her on a journey from being daughter of Boss, to wife of Boss.
All the characters on this show were terrible people. Being a terrible person makes Shiv fit in with all the other characters. She was named after a prison weapon. This show is a lot like HBO's Girls, Seinfeld, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Malcolm in the Middle, Married With Children, and Shameless that way.
that is a great comparison!! It's just so weird that people try to defend Shiv, and yet no one tries to defends the characters in the other shows you mentioned.
I knew that watching Kendall feeling to comfortable and cocky in his father's office upset her. Also she was always left out, so this was her chance to let everybody out.
By Tom's facial expression in the car I don't think their marriage will last long, when Tom feels he completely secure his position, he will divorce her for sure.
But he is a puppet CEO and Matsson can get rid of him whenever he wants while Shiv is a billionaire heiress and has more money than him. Tom is an opportunist..by being with Shiv he doesnt have to worry
@@chipmunkpark8826 He wanted to divorce her before he was name CEO, remember.
Matsson chosed Tom because he's a hard worker and good lapdog, I don't think he will get rid of Tom in a long time.
Tom is only staying with Shiv so Mattson can use her as he pleases. Keeping Shiv around was Tom's first duty as CEO.
@@pji1979 I don't think so. He stays with Shiv for appearences, a new CEO going through a divorce doesn't look good. I think Matsson told Tom he wanted to f... Shiv to see how much Tom was willingly to tolerate, how much of lapdog he is. When Tom didn't get angry, he offered the CEO position.
@@Emy-fv5ny Good point. I do think there's truth to it, too. And Tom would let him do it to be CEO.
She was terrible!!! Hated her deceiving her siblings and playing with Lukas who from the beginning used her...She deserves nothing!!!
Oof
To me, this was reminiscent of that Buddhist monk who lit himself on fire, but in slow motion.
Shiv literally lived up to her name throughout the show she’s horrid
Dang
I didn't get the ending I wanted (i guess many didn't) but don't get me wrong, it's one of the best shows ever! Personally i wanted all of them to have a terrible ending (well except for Connor) and many might think they did, but not really.. for Roman he actually got what he needed (maybe not what he wanted) and now he's free to do whatever he wants and he'll be happier now.. for Ken, yeah i mean he really really wanted the CEO chair but once he gets over this he can start any kinda company he wants cos they made Billions of dollars in that deal and for once he can actually do something his daughter can be proud of.. As for Shiv, I'm really satisfied with her ending.. many might think Shiv won but on contrary she's the one that got the worse cos of her jealousy, selfishness and stupidity. She's in a loveless marriage (which will end anytime), pregnant with a man she doesn't love and will most probably cheat with Mattson who will treat her like shit.. her relationship with her brother will never mend after that betrayal and she will end up exactly like her mother but just more bitter.
The characters and actors were that good. I think all are redeemable and can only hope for a spin off.
She destroyed Kendall out of pure spite, succession writers are based
What an amazing character! Sara is a talented actress and Shiv Roy, as all the siblings, are unforgettable characters
Shiv ultimately took the money (buyout) and has a link to power from Tom. Lady Macbeth.
Tom is toothless “pain sponge” who will be used as front man while mattson guts the company. Mattson probably gets rid of Tom in a year or 2.
Tom is probably done with Shiv anyway. He was ready for the divorce when he though he was out and she was Mattson’s choice. Now he doesn’t even need her. He was going to let her go into the vote and get embarrassed thinking she was the choice.
Shiv hurt herself just to hurt Kendall.
Being linked to Tom isn’t power though because he’s simply a puppet, Matsson will throw Tom away as soon as he feels like it then Shiv and her child will have nothing
@@uhuhuh1966 Shiv will make many millions from the Swede's deal. Plus she will run Tom with her usual combo of sex, bullying and vitriol. Backseat driving him, whatever the Swede does.....
@@uhuhuh1966 basically yeah
@@uhuhuh1966 She's still a billionaire. The sale made her richer. Whether she's with Tom or not. Tom is rich, but not as rich as she. For Shiv and her siblings it was never about the money, it was about the power, prestige and their father. That's why she's with him, to try for power, not money.
The only times Shiv respects Tom is when she is afraid he will leave her/cheat on her or when he physically hurts her. She only gets pregnant because her mother told her not to. I think she does love Tom because even if he did betray her, he is only man in her life that takes her seriously.
Welcome Back Jennifer McD ! 🙌, also wow as someone that still hasn't seen Succession this show does sound awesome I need to give it a watch especially now that's it's over
So, for Shiv to be selfish, hypocritical and not nice to her upstart and bootlicking husband is much worse than an adult, alcoholic and drugged father who "accidentaly" kills a kid , who does an hit-and-run, who tries to destroy all evidence of his involvement and who returns to the wedding party as if anything had happened ?!!!! 🙄🙄🙄🤣🤣🤣👎👎👎
it actually was an accident, though.
@@therealkendallroy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Amazing production quality on this video. I love the lighting especially
5:17 - oh my god, that was a perfectly brutal (and hilarious) cut.
Haven't even seen the show but I'm glad to see a new upload!
I don't like when they say that Shiv's behavior is because "being a woman" is the only strategy she had to get ahead, is reductionist and perpetuates some language about women in the corporate world that is unfair to successful female executives that are NOT disloyal, or back-stabbing or manipulative snakes like Shiv, but hard-working serious women that have earned their positions not by fast-tracking using bloodline but putting the hours in a desk.
Shiv's behavior is because her upbringing was completely empty emotionally so she never was taught to love unconditionally nor she had the nurturing environment to make her feel emotionally secure as a child so she doesn't trust or love anybody but herself. Is not because "she is a woman" competing against 3 brothers.
Of course, I am not saying that women don't have to be tough, smart, and sharp to get respected in certain industries dominated by men, but Shiv is not IT. Just remember the contempt of Shiv for having to learn the business and get experience as if she was born superior or knows it better than Gerri, says it all.
You're so right about the children tying winning to deserving their father's love.
I think believing Shiv is the hero or the least bad of her family completely undermines her entire character. You can be a fan of her but also understand/have it clear that she is a HORRIBLE person. If your interpretation of her is that skewd can you call yourself a fan at all? Embrace liking imoral characters or drop them 😂
this is sad that you have to state the obvious, but it makes a great video (and Sarah Snook is an amazing actress)
top tier performance omggg
For real!
Nice presentation with you in shades with a mic. Well explained and supported with clips and Armstrong quotation. Bravo!
Out of everyone describing Shiv and the Roy siblings, I think you've summed it up the best. Well done Jennifer. You got yourself a new subscriber. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Thank you so much!
@@JenniferMcD You bet. Best of luck with your UA-cam career!
What a great character. (All of them are). We can go from hating her to rooting for her to trying to excuse her to trying to understand her
truly incredible writing!
The finalie was excellent. Tom is my favourite. Shiv maybe my 2nd favourite. But yeah they are not good at all.
It was so infuriating but so good!
Perfect finale 👌
Yeah it was really good
In prison, a "shiv" is a makeshift knife that prisoners make from any metal they can retrieve and use on one another ! seems appropriate name for a back stabber.
I’m sure this is an unpopular opinion but I genuinely do think that Shiv cares for Tom, in her own fucked up way. Although at the dinner table at the end of season 2 she said that he’d be a good person to sacrifice, she later in that same episode talks to Logan and tells him “Just not Tom. For me, please.” and then Kendall is chosen as the sacrifice. Yes, she might’ve ignored his wants and needs at times, but she is also the reason he moved up from cruises to co-head of ATN. Plus the finale begins with her finally communicating her wishes to him, “Are you interested in a real relationship?” I don’t think her “love” for Tom really influenced her decision to vote yes, her vote was really just against Kendall, but it does inform her character. I think it also explains why she gets in the car with him, and why she puts her hand on his. But! the fact that it’s not a handhold is to show that this thing they have going on is precarious and Shiv really isn’t sure (the way she was at the beginning of the episode talking to him on the phone) that she’s doing the right thing being with him, and I guess neither is Tom. But really for the first time in their relationship, there’s a power-balance, maybe even tipped slightly to Tom.
I agree with you! --And that's what makes it so sad and painful. The kids have been so neglected and abused that they have trouble functioning in a healthy love relationship. Conor has to buy a woman; Kendall is clingy; Roman... 🙀; and Shiv, to me, purposely undermines the relationship with Tom --pushing and pushing until he finally cools toward her (becoming like her dad). Roman had told Tom to be more like Logan in order to tie it down with her.
There are definite glimpses of love there, but, I don’t think any of the siblings truly know how to love someone
Yeah, when she begs for Tom not to go to prison, it's right after the scene on the beach where he says "I think a lot of the time I'm unhappy, really." And she knee jerked to beg for his life. I think because she treats him like a doormat and he's subservient but the second she saw that slip when he's talking about maybe divorcing she begs to her dad to keep him like a toy she really likes. What's so painful is that Tom is wholly unaware that she ever did that. It's all so sad.
She ended up becoming her mother. Exactly who she didn’t want to be
I agree with you on that!
Hey just wanted to say it’s cool that you’re doing this channel. You’re gonna get everything you want out of it. You should rip shorts clips from your long form videos and see if that strengthens the channel as well.
i came to the same conclusion, if she couldn,t get the top job despite having no experience then neither will her siblings. she has always been spiteful, and self interest, . rather than keeping the firm in the family she would see it sold to hurt her brother who really wanted to keep the empire intact. even if she had doubts on kendall she should have given him a chance. blood is thicker than water but not in shiv,s case. family mean nothing, now i would like a series for kendall to grow and learn from his sisters betrayal , to become his father ,ruthless and brutal, to reclaim the business and take down his sister. the old guard that where sacked could come to kendall,s aid ,.don,t forget madsons indian figures didn,t add up , so could there be an opening for fraud . brilliant series
1-Sarah was absolutely phenomenal!!! 2- Shiv was absolutely deplorable through the end! I was glad when Tom made the move at turned of last season and this one! I’d expect Tom to flip the tables in the relationship now.
Finally, an accurate take on the characters in this show. All the other channels I've seen give shiv way too much credit or bring the patriarchy into the discussion. Completely ignoring the characteristics of the characters.
Great video Jenn, awesome seeing you again
Thank you!! 😊
By personal experience I can tell you that when comes to power and money relatives are the worst. You will need to be very mentally strong because if the relatives are you siblings will be more painful.
They all had major character flaws and were ultimately terrible people, but it was well written. Shiv was the worst of them. I hated the way she treated Tom.
They are all horrible people, but people seem to react to her the worst. She is treacherous in a way that really, really bugs people. I’m trying to figure out why she gets dumped on as just being the worst! I think people expect her to be less abysmal because she’s a woman, I think that her powerlessness in the boy’s club does make her more vicious and she RELISHES cutting Ken down, like she’s GLEEFUL about it. That’s really ugly. Don’t think any of them have been that happy about hurting each other. Gleeful.
Like Logan is the worst and some people would her above him even tho he’s the worst out of everyone in the show
Thank for this. As you said, everyone on the show is a shitty character. I hated everyone including poor ol Greg. But for me, the person that was the most despicable was no doubt Shiv, hands down. Again, they are all terrible but she.... she just gets under my skin.
Every character was just SO entertaining but oh my god, truly cringe.
Everyone was terrible and I LOVED them all
In what way?
@@yogijager me too
yes. she is. aptly named. truly awful.
There were no good people on this show. Shiv was no exception.
one analysis i haven't seen that i'd love to see you cover is Jesse Armstrong's claim that Tom & Shiv's relationship is emblematic of what the entire show is about. i wasn't sure about it at first but as this final season went on it seemed to become clearer and clearer to me. its not just that the ups and downs of their relationship match the ups and downs of who will take over the company, but also the power dynamics within the relationship and their ideas around money and success. idk, theres a lot of potential there, something to think about.
loved the video, very insightful while still keeping the running time down.
I appreciate you being here!! I will definitely look into it!
all the siblings are horrible people, they betrayed their father from the start, the stupidest of the siblings is Kendall, Roman has a sense of self-criticism and Shiv probably the smartest?, but i agree with you, she is the worst. A shallow creature, bitter at not gaining her father's approval and selfish. The final scene, Shiv and Tom in the car, I love it, because Tom has a powerful presence, just like Shiv, no longer the subordinate guy, from equals to equals, that's why I don't think Tom gets manipulated by Shiv, more than that, the same or worse fate awaits her than her mother's
I’m always confused by how a show filled with terrible people, the woman always gets singled out as if she’s the only one or even the main one.
It's almost like you didn't watch the video and see that everyone was called out for being a terrible person.
thank you, Shiv is a snake. i hate her with passion.
After the super- majority scene I knew for sure she would never run the company. Logan always knew she is a snake. I love Sarah Snook but despise Shiv, a jealous traitor and spiteful woman.
You should do one of these for each roy man, YOU GET IT
Now.... Watching all these parts together I can realize she's the worst character in the show....
But she did, surprisingly, ask Logan not to send Tom to prison, and I still don’t understand why.
I think she loves him but is an f'd up person bc the family was f'd up.
The stuff about hooking up with others, hitting him during sex, verbal abuse, etc.... Shiv was trying to push Tom away bc she didn't feel worthy of the supportive and loving relationship he was initially offering. So she did everything to test him and to undermine it. When Tom spoke up, during the island picnic, she became terrified of losing him and swayed her dad to pick someone else. Logan did it for Pinky, plus he was already admiring Tom for some reasons, including the recent chicken incident. Shiv in a way picked Tom over Kendall at that point, just as she did in the end of the show.
The kids are all damaged and seem to confuse abuse and love sometimes.
Honestly yeah, I think that's why Logan genuinely was like "she's not gonna be CEO" because she couldn't ultimately let go of the one dude who show her subservience. And it was the scene RIGHT after he said "I think a lot of the time I'm really unhappy" on the beach.
I agree . Shiv is horrible , but her brothers would’ve cut her out & she knew that
Perhaps they would which isn’t likely and she’d have at least a piece of the company but that’s not nearly as bad as siding with Tom who will DEFINITELY cut her out and divorce her as he doesn’t really need her. This isn’t a good enough reason to do what she did
Spot on analysis. I hope Sarah Snook will get to play many other interesting characters, but I fear Shiv will continue to shadow her for many years to come. The spoiled child attitude she literally beamed while telling the pleading Kendall “I just don’t want to (vote for you)” is one of the strongest moments of television drama I’ve ever seen. More than Kendall torturing Roman, it was her who provided the ultimate climax for the whole series, that hurtful, holier-than-thou, childish, petty, avoidant, entitled, vindictive, sadistic look in her face as she took pleasure in delivering the final blow to the brother she had cheerfully ‘anointed’ a few hours before. She was the crowning psychopathic jewel in that tiara of systemic abuse that was her family.
What you mean shadow her?
@@JoseHernandez-rb3gg I mean that a lot of people that became aware of her existence by watching her play Shiv will forever associate her with that character. I should have written Sarah will remain in Shiv’s shadow. Thanks for the question.
Hollywood will either try to typecast her into a little box or she’ll do exclusively Australian projects, where they’ll allow her to have a more diverse career. Either way, I think she’ll be ok. Oh and these characters are so indelible, all of the actors, including Strong and Kulkin, face similar typecasting problems.
@@kd8752 Absolutely. I’m sure they won’t be complaining any time soon... Cheers!
idk what you mean by "she isn't a girlboss", she's the biggest girlboss of them all, she girlfails all the time
lollll
Shiv is the show's Cersei Lannister. She resents that she is overlooked in favor of the men, so she overcompensates by being Machiavellian to a fault. She undermines her brothers constantly because she has a complex about always being cut out and not being taken seriously. Marries Tom because she feels like she can control him. Logan calls her out on this and he was completely right. It worked for a few seasons until she got too forward about it, and Tom began to stand up for himself. She treats people like Greg, who she views as beneath her, like complete shit. Unless you are someone who can further or protect her interest, she has no use for you. She's an awful person and deserves every bit of personal misery she gets.
Cersei was loyal to her bloodline , Shiv couldn’t even do that , she’s a fuckin narcissist.
She’s a worse villain than Jenny from Forrest Gump!
Lol how is Jenny a villain?
I’m sorry what?
Maybe its just my "internal misogyny" speaking, but wasn't it obvious from the beginning that Shiv was a terrible person and her pettiness as not being #1 made her the most untrustworthy of the siblings.
I have never ever liked Shiv. She's an extremely terrible person. Love Sarah Snook though!!
It’s funny, I think a lot of people confuse an incredible Performance with a good person! Sarah is Incredible! Shiv is terrible.
@@JenniferMcD exactly!! Sarah snook is amazing but don't know why people ever rooted for shiv!
Yeah they’re all terrible people and yet very interesting characters
@@JoseHernandez-rb3gg yes!! So fascinating
Excellent take
1:40 People seemed to have totally forgotten about this scene when they railed to protect Shiv after the finale...
YoU NeEd a sUpErmAjOriTy e*nimejevity...
Everybody is a terrible person in this corporate environment. Is the way to be if you work there. My experience is that the pettiness and miserable behaviors are the common currency in the corporate world. The higher you are the more disgusting person you have to be. Shiv is just a product of this toxic environment and being a woman makes it more difficult for her. She played well under this optics. And she is the most skilled one of the siblings.
She definitely sucks.
But the secret of this show is that none of these people are really all that terrible.
The covetous and conceited side of our nature makes us want to hate them.
But I’ve known people in trailer parks that have done exponentially viler things in life.
They way she destroyed Tom and ended up selling the company just too see her brother fail made her the worst even compared to the other (everyone lol) terrible people in the show!
Rewatched the whole series in prep for this video and picked up on so many new details. Tom was not great, sure. But Shiv just Shivved him.
How so?
It's very clear every single member of the Roy family are terrible, in fact pretty much everyone on the show is LOL
you say that, but so many people don't realize they're All terrible.
I was told to like the video and I liked the video.
"I'm doing my part!"
That was spot on🔥🔥🔥🔥
Good video. I love the actress. The hate she gets on reddit is insane.
she's amazing! and the fact that she gets hate proves how amazing she is. it's just sad that people have a hard time separating the character from the actor.
Connor has the best ending, kind of reminds me of Carmine Junior from The Sopranos. While he Carmine seemed mostly dumb and in his own world ; he was chasing his dreams and staying out of the mobs buisness . While still holding some power just by his namesake. similar to connor. Both are kinda laughing stocks and are looked at as jokes . But while this is all true they came out on top, con had the best moments with logan, he had peace in the end as well; with everything. Carmine Jr was laughed at but survived the events of Sopranos and by the end of it ; he doesn’t even have enough power to be someone to knock down. He was i. the perfect spot in but not really. In enough to know n be in the game but not get his hands actually dirty.
I agree, to an extent.. I still feel bad for Connor because I don't think Willa ever loved him. She just stayed with him because he gave her security and gave her the ability to follow her dreams, but ... I don't know if she's actually happy with him.
FWIW my own personal interpretation is that Shiv definitely betrays Kendall because "if I can't have it no one can" initially (the look of waspish triumph on her face when she remembers about the waiter says it all), but it then becomes very real when Kendall lies about the death of the waiter and she realises that he either is or has become the kind of sociopath who would either lie about not being involved in someone's death just to get a powerful job or the kind of sociopath who would lie about being involved in someone's death to manipulate his siblings' trust and feelings of sympathy. She seems genuinely horrified when Kendall keeps begging her for her vote after that.
i am deeply in love with shiv
ew
Being honest, Kendall jut could not win. It was a sham.
of all the children she's more like logan minus the intelligence and the precaution 😂
No way she was downgrading, being an underling to someone she hates more than tom lol ? She s petty as hell and miserable anyways, but would rather be miserable with him than Kendall. Weird girl .
she doesnt hate Tom....
Hmm?
Nice!