Succession is Actually Hell
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- So, Succession is over and here's why I think they're all trapped in hell.
I mean, I know they're not. It's not canon. But it could be. Probably not. Maybe, though.
Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
05:48 - The Hell of Kendall Roy
09:10 - The Hell of Siobhan Roy (and Tom Wambsgams)
13:45 - The Hell of Roman Roy
18:15 - Okay, so what's with the gimmick?
22:31 - The Hell of Logan Roy
24:19 - Hell is Other Roys
30:34 - Outro
In Camera, BBC's film adaptation of No Exit: • Jean-Paul Sartre’s "No...
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This is what I think people never get. Succession was always an unwinnable game where the kids would be given hope before they lost it all. And felt miserable throughout. It’s hell. It’s Sisyphus and his rock all over again. They make each other miserable. When dad isn’t in the picture, Shiv teases Roman about his weird sex stuff without malice. But when dad is around, she makes him out to be a criminal. When dad isn’t around, in the beach villa thing at the wedding, Kendall is offered support for the guy he killed by both siblings. But when they were in the light, they both felt okay publishing shit about Kendall’s terrible addiction. It’s just hell where they are always stuck torturing each other.
A lot of people got that it was unwinnable and that winning wouldn't help anyone.
Unfortunately Game of Thrones ruined watching shows with people who have competing interest and access to power. Now the story itself isn't interesting. There has to be teams and theories of secret agendas and identities. I even saw someone theorize that Matsom was Logan's long lost son, and everyone will find out at the reading of the will. Or that Greg will be the successor CEO of one of the world's biggest media companies like a modern Bran Stark. They fell so in love with the contest that the missed everything the show was saying about the concentration of wealth in small, into incompetent hands.
Its a modern remake of King Lear by William Shakespeare down to the tee.
Lol the saddest part is that we thought like how Lachlan ended up CEO we thought the same for kendall
The fact that kendall calls himself the eldest son without acknowledging Connor is so ironic. They’re all just a bunch of narcissists
He’s got a different mother which might be why he’s kinda separated from those 3 siblings
They are like the Bluth family from Arrested Development but not as funny.
Fantastic analysis. The callback to Sartre's play and the never ending nature of the torture they endure at each other's hands is truly genius. Thank you so much for your videos on this series.
Thank you very much!
The parallel to No Exit was so unexpected. I’ve never heard of it but after watching this video, I can confidently say that this is one of the most important and insightful deep dives I’ve seen on Succession. You just earned a sub!
Thank you very much for your sub, I shall deeply cherish it.
@@GeekOuter you’re very welcome! Keep making amazing content!
Shiv is so ridiculous that she inadvertently recommended Tom to Marsom for the job. She made me laugh a lot.
And became subservient to the guy she outranked and abused the hell out of.
One of the best videos about Succession I've seen.
The one thing I disagree with is that I think they do love each other. "I really love you but I cannot f**cking stomach you" is an accurate representation of all their familial relationships. Their love for their father and theirs for them and their love for each other is all wrapped up in hate and jealousy and expresses itself in hurting each other, because that's what they were taught and the only thing they know, just like it was the only way Logan knew to relate to people who were important to him.
it isn't really love, just trauma bonding that they falsely glorify as "love". Narcissists of that degree don't and can't love. They are missing the alturistic "putting the needs of the loved one first" part because everything is transactional and power related with them.
@@memento81 "Love is never any better than the lover. Wicked people love wickedly, violent people love violently, weak people love weakly, stupid people love stupidly,..." - Toni Morrison
The company was an outdated and doomed business. Who wants to take over Grandpa's newspaper company? It is mostly obsolete, but maybe you can make a sale if you convince enough people to make newspaper hats. It seems Logan did his heirs a favor by selling the company. All the siblings failed to realize they could win by losing.
Fantastic analysis! Kendall will undoubtedly stay in hell for the rest of his life. I forget where I read it, but I saw a comment saying that he will look back at these years as the most exciting and explosive years of his life. The period when he was so close to winning. How could he ever move on from losing the crown? He will stay haunted by his father's shadow no matter what he does until the day he dies.
Jesse Armstrong was actually saying this! That’s how he sees Kendall living out the rest of his life, doing dinky little startups, never forgetting what he could have had.
@@autumnmatthew3185 yes it was Jesse thank you for reminding me!! Also we have the same name 🍂 :)
He'll probably end up relapsing. Try (and fail) to use drugs to fill that hole.
@@autumnmatthew3185hard to imagine he still have the energy to start anything new😢
Just found this. Beautiful. Huis Clos is the perfect comparison to Succession. And, yeah, I was shocked about the Kendall infertility reveal. Wow. It explains so much.
Kendall is a whole another level. Dude sold out his own child. And for what? Not a damn thing.
Its weird how thrilling your subtitles were in that finale scene, now I want them for the whole show.
27:27 The way Shiv says Rome. She's like "Don't do this. Not now."
Yup, rewatching that scene you realize how so full of nuance their acting was.
It's interesting hearing other people's thoughts on a show this open to interpretation, because even when we disagree, it can give us insight.
In a way I kinda saw the finale as a very happy ending and Shiv's decision as a lot more noble. I think she saw that Ken was on his way to become as toxic and abusive as Logan and that's why she pulled the plug. Tom got what he deserved as a suckup yes-man, now in the service of someone even more unstable than Logan and with a wife with every intention of usurping him. His only friend being Greg who has turned a lot more selfish and opportunistic recently.
Roman is finally free other people. Finally free of seeking validation amd someone to abuse him, but also without anyone to carry that abuse onto. I think it's telling that he just leaves Waystar as fast as he can without looking back or throwing out a classic disgusting zinger. He has realized that this change is needed.
Ken may look depressed, as he now lacks any purpose in life, but at the same time, I think the beautiful sunset signifies the beginning of something new to him as he is free to do anything he wants. You even hear that in the score, as the classic Succession theme is given a new ending.
Also, there's dialogue hinting that Mencken will only get in the White House after years of legal batttles, if that even works.
I was blown away by your use of subtitles to show the subtext of what they were saying. I’ve never seen that
I'm a big Sartre fan, and I reread "No Exit" while watching S4. The similarities truly are striking, and I'm surprised I haven't seen others compare the two before. Great video!
Sophie, Iverson and Shiv's kid are gonna need a lot of therapy.
Finally someone but me understands that what kept them fighting was the need for self-actualization! And you made a brilliant parallel to No Exit!
Nowhere have I seen the writers clarify if Iverson is Kendall's biological son or not. It's clear that Sophie is adopted, but according to all information I can find, Iverson is Kendall's biological son.
I think Logan didn't see Iverson as the true bloodline because he saw him as weak. And I think Roman uttered those sentences out of clear spite. But Iverson being "half-Rava, half- filing cabinet guy" might as well be a completely false allegation.
I don't know why so many people assume that what Roman is saying is true. The characters on this show lie all the time.
Other than that, great video. 👍
I think Kendalls reaction reinforced it a little bit - not full confirmation, because you'd be angry even if it was a blatant lie, but he doesn't dismiss it either.
Logan had implied Kendall is infertile, "filing cabinet guy" is a reference to a sperm donor. Shiv obviously believes it as well and then there is the reaction to the implication.
I mean sure, maybe all of Kendalls family are wrong and we should believe the kids are biologically Kendals when he doesn't even say it ....
Dude this was absolute poetry - thank you for creating this. So well done. I have watched so many succession recaps - best I've seen and its not close. Hope you blow up and looking forward to other analysis
It's definitely not a major theme of the show, but you are absolutely right. There's an underlying element of hell going on here and I think the writers were aware of it. The Kendall Sisyphus connection alone is too much to be ignored
I hope more people get recommended this video.
I'm glad it got recommended to me.
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This is a great essay and I hope the algorithm does its thing man, you’ve gained a sub. I love the substance to what you have to say. It’s so easy to fall into the retrospective trap where one makes surface-level commentary for three hours, so this dense and thoughtful analysis is very very welcome.
Loved how you saved Logan for last. Also, that Sartre play seems worth checking out. Great video 😮
When kendall didnt drink all of the spit smoothie i knew something was going to go wrong and also that he didnt deserve the crown.
love the work and the tie in with philosophic works. I think one of the best things about Succession was how well crafted it was. The story was solid, the characters well developed and engaging, and it was smart without ever being too smart. it didn't spell things out perfectly, but it also didn't require huge amounts of homework and pre-requisite lectures :). If you'd covered the materials before, it was a lovely, well-told, and referential, but it didn't require you to do a lot of heavy lifting to just enjoy. Afterwards, if you chose, there is plenty to study, plenty to talk about and ponder, and it's a story that will likely stay with you for years to come, and it's quite a lot of fun to see the the views and thoughts of others. Thank you for this content!
The most depressing & Tragically poetic finale ever right next to The Sopranos
This video is incredible. No Exit is something I would never have thought to apply to Succession but it fits so well. So many people were mad at Succession’s ending for Shiv voting against Kendall taking over and Kendall not overseeing his company as he was destined but I feel this video makes it clear why that would’ve been the wrong choice. Not to mention Shiv has a point: Kendall would be unfit to run shop. But the larger point here is that it has always been so close to each sibling’s grasp but they will never achieve it despite how much they want it.
Awesome video, excellent editing with brilliant content!
Its pretty obvious that Logan underlined Kendall not crossed out since who would start underneath the word of your crossing out someone's name? My question is why did Logan write Greg on the paper.
Fantastic analysis, both in this video as in the previous one about Succession! Great job 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
No Exit is absolutely brilliant. Top 10 plays for sure. I guess I need to finally bite the bullet and watch Succession.
Very original and well reasoned analysis. Glad I stumbled onto this video
I think it’s interesting you think shiv saying that she loved Kendall was her actually saying the opposite. In my opinion, I do think she loves him, and cares for him as a sister, but you can love someone and not LIKE them. Also, she got bullied for her race, not her being an immigrant. Mencken is a RACIST.
I like this. Good work. Ill go back and watch your other stuff. Good luck on your channel
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Great video, reminds me of a conversation some friends and i had while playing Red Dead 3 about why none of the gang simply go get a job. We never really came to a conclusion but the idea they couldn't really grow as people enough to change makes a lot of sense.
Holy shit I didn’t even realize what Roman said about Ken’s kids. Just thought Ken randomly snapped when he started attacking him. Woooow
This show made me feel like I wasted my time but not in bad way. I enjoyed my watch of the show a lot but By the end it didn’t really feel like I had witnessed a show just a moment in these peoples lives like if I was some random Royco employee in the background witnessing all happen.
Really great analysis, please make some more videos about Succession.
This is the best analysis of this show I've seen so far!
Great video. You need more subs.
You'll probably blow up regardless
Thank you! I can only hope you're right 😁
Great analysis Brother! Boys trapped with an aloof mother, and a sadist, Machiavellian, psychopathic and narcissistic father. Looks like hell to me!
I was actually asking myself that, why the hell do they keep contact with each other when its soo clearly toxic. Do what Ewan does, just swimming in money but never interacts with Logan. But then again its family, its really complicated, especially towards your parents. I cant even deny my mom money whenever she asks for it, so imagine being in the situation the siblings are. You're dad whos not only very abusive, but also a literal King that he even calls the presidents interns lmao.
Thank u for such a nice video))
Great reference to the play “No Exit”. I happen to have been reading it while watching the final season!
Great stuff, great insight
Great video!
I really really like your interpretation of the series
This is a brilliant take.
The finale was one of the most tragic things I have ever experienced
This is one of the best summarizations of the series I’ve seen so far with a fresh great take on what their lives were. Bravo.
This is an excellent synopsis of the show.
don't imagine they're anywhere other than here.
This show is likable because it’s just awful and like is awful but also it’s really not awful it’s just perception and human beings making a mess of the simplest things. Like you mentioned they were fine from the beginning and will be fine after, at least financially speaking. It’s our emotions and psychological fuckery that really creates all the drama.
Excellent video. There is only one thing I disagree with you on. Tom and Shiv is not a loveless relationship. When Shiv was riding high and thought that she had a deal with Mattson to become CEO she called Tom and tried to reconcile. She did not need him at that point….she wanted him.
Successions characters do present a lot of opportunity for interpretation. I for one think Shiv and Tom just aren't people actually capable of trully loving one another, but they can become emotionally codependent.
@Geek0ut I'm with you on that one. The final shot of them in the SUV together at the end, to me, didn't exactly shout, "let's try this again, honey." It's totally a relationship of covenience and the idea of either of them being a parent scares me.
@@DoomRulz What is it about Tom being a parent that scares you? Shiv okay I get it but why is Tom a bad parent? As far as him questioning Shiv when she told him about the pregnancy she has lied, kept secrets and plotted to the point where I can’t really attack him for not believing her. So far as it being a marriage of convenience when Mattson offered him the CEO job he was under the impression Tom and Shiv were done so he doesn’t need her to keep the job and on Shiv’s side if she really was as cold blooded as everyone thinks she could have just gotten rid of the pregnancy, Mattson was clearly interested in her, she could have made a play for him.
@@fightsports66 The way he treats Greg does not bode well for his parenting skills. Tom only knows punching down and getting punched down on.
@@GeekOuterTom became more attractive to Shiv from the moment he betrayed her.
She couldn't stand his servility.
He "finally made her feel something".
They kept their wedding rings all the season 4. Except Tom who doesn't have it at the start of e1 but has it at the
end of it. They still kept à connection and flirted throughout the season.
It's Shiv, "the girl inside"
Waystar who established the Kill list on which there is no "Tom of Siobban".
In their last phone call Tom is Okay for an amicable divorce (Czecoslovakia->Velvet divorce). Shiv never followed up. And offers him a "real relationship" at a time she doesn't know that Tom wil be CEO.
Your concept of co-dependent relationship is just denial and shows your lack of empathy.
In Shiv's vote, there's surely resentment at not being able to be CEO herself, as well as the fear to be removed from power again by her misogynistic brother, but also her private situation which is at stake.
In the end, Tom won their marital competition and everything he wanted from the start (Shiv + CEO + Money + Child).
That's why she gives him "Congratulations" and Tom responds with fake modesty "Oh no no'.
End of SCRIPT BOOK for Shiv and Tom in the car :
An accomodation, an equilibrium, that could last with a certain stabilty, proxy wars and detentes for many years to come...nothing needy from either side.
A queen and a prince.
Two bombs transported with great care.
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kendall's last word probably is Yo
Amazing analysis. Subscribed. Can’t wait to see some more content. Maybe something about Attack on Titan? 😉😂
banger video
Good video
Fun fact Connor Roy was interested in politics at a very young age
A+
I never made the connection about the kids … damn
Thought it was pretty clear kens daughter was being bullied bc of her skin color from the start
Bruh I get it... trauma is the most visible take on this tv show overall, but guys
Try thinking about TECH AND TECH IMPLICATIONS after an interaction that feels like nothing:
"We Hear/Here for You"
Try building a full analysis off this whole series, based on this episode
"Argestes" ..Go
It's hard seeing Andy (weeds) as a Nazi
Great vid. Roman wasn't COO, he was co-CEO with Kendall.
Whoops, I stand corrected. Just rewatched the closing scenes of episode 4 and indeed, what they actually say is that Roman steps up from COO, implying he's the co-CEO with Kendal. The fact they never explicity say "co-CEO" and just keep saying COO when refering to Roman threw me for a loop.
@@GeekOuter I don't think that they keep referring to him as COO :) when introducing Kendall for his Living+ talk, they introduce Kendall as co-CEO.
@@GeekOuter this might seem trivial, but there's a difference between Roman finally getting the CEO spot and having to share and fight to keep it, and trying to become CEO. It's also important for Shiv's motivations, and her two brothers have the position already, and she doesn't.
@@GeekOuter I also wouldn't take the show too literally. I don't think that the media "decide" the election like they do in Succession :)
@@fionnmcglacken35 I meant in episode 4 itself. Roman keeps saying "I'm the COO, so it makes sense" when they are discussing who's gonna take charge, and then the characters go "it's decided, Kendal and Roman from COO", stuff like that.
This is the bad place
Pretty much lol
The entire series is S1 of the good place with only Connor realising it's the bad place lol
Amazing video if you uploaded more you’d blow up for sure
But you are from Brazil?
I'M THE OLDEST BOY 🤬
dude..trying working construction during summer in 100 degree weather to see what hell is.
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are rich people really drink that much all the time?
I really wonder how and why people make these kinds of videos?
What do you mean?
@@raymondsims7042
These videos are great to watch.
But, have you considered the time and effort it takes to research, edit, and analyse to create such videos?
And for what 550 subs?
Man, these video essays are really a labour of love.
@@raymeester7883 oh ok I definitely agree with you there lad. These videos take incredibly long to make, and you have to keep rewatching and doing your research to even make a good video. I respect everyone who analyzes shows like this
your writing and narration is pretty solid....ill be honest though for some reason i cant stand your cartoon avatar you use and its irrationally off putting.
good luck on your journey bro
Welp, i just discovered a new UA-camr to follow. Amazing analysis!