Like you I think the best option is both… the S5iiX is a killer hybrid camera for photography and it shoots really nice video. The black magic just kicks ass when it comes to video, the image is beautiful and I don’t care if it’s not a box it works for me. The fact that you can take the black magic out of the box put a lens on, a battery in it and go shoot for 2500 bucks to me is an amazing deal.
Great video! I have both the BMCC6K and S5ll and I use them both. They complimet each other nicely. I don't have to choose between them, instead I would recommend to get them both if you can. Take care.
Blackmagic was and is all about maximum image quality for the pricepoint, at the cost of everything else. Back when they released the 4k, the hybrid market was still doing 8-bit, and there was blackmagic throwing 12-bit raw at us. The body was a bit clunky, it didn't have a lot of the bells and whistles that hybrid cameras had, but the image was so good I was happy to compromise. Now though... hybrid cameras have gotten so good. The blackmagic image is still better... but only just, and its getting very difficult to convince myself to compromise on the other stuff for the sake of that. Honestly, what they need to do is just do their take on the FX3. I would buy that with no reservations.
That’s what the sample footage right before it was supposed to showcase. It was nearly impossible to showcase that kind of claim as it involves scientific tests that I wasn’t planning on doing. In practice though, that’s what I’ve noticed
I agree with your comments, they're both great cameras for different scenarios. I have an S5 and these are my two contenders for my next upgrade, thanks for the comparison!
Just the comparison I’ve been looking for. It definitely seems like the overall image quality is preeeettttty close between the too. That BM definitely looks a little better right out of the gate though. Vibrant and punchy without being too digital. Love it!
Internal RAW, a locking multi-voltage DC power connector, proper metadata timecode, simultaneous proxies, (soon) automatic integration with a cloud workflow, internal balanced audio with phantom power, not to mention the built-in live production resources in case you need to stream. The BMCC (FF) 6k provides tremendous value for productions that need to move beyond solo operator.
I will say all of these thing can be had with the s5iix. The proxies and cloud workflow big as much but tbh that will be necessary for a very specific group of people. The FF is great! To say the s5iix is a slouch for anybody that’s not just a solo operator is a pretty big stretch though!
@@AnthonyRodriguezz I owned an S5IIx, and it can’t do the things I outlined. The Lumix doesn’t record internal RAW. It doesn’t have an independent power port-you have to tie up the USB-C. It doesn’t embed timecode properly-though you can record timecode as an audio track and embed it later, that’s an extra step. It doesn’t record simultaneous proxies. It requires an external hot shoe adapter to have XLR and phantom power. You can’t plug it into an ATEM switcher and control it remotely, nor can you control a zoom rocker and focus demand. The Lumix has other features not found in the BM, though in my use case, I have other ways to tackle both autofocus and stabilization. For me (though certainly not for everyone) the BM is a much better value.
@ Not even close. I’ve tested an S5IIx and it’s okay but the low light performance isn’t there, and the rolling shutter performance is not great. Plus you have to dangle an SSD to get all the internal frame rates and some of those aren’t 10-bit. Plus the Sony has dual slot recording which to me is a must. Plus the FX3 is smaller when I want to run it on a gimbal. And if I need stills, I have a Z9. The Lumix is a nice camera for what it can do, but it can’t beat and FX3/6 in video and I’ll take 45 megapixels (and internal RAW if I need to swap into video mode) all day long.
the cinema 6k has some shortcomings in terms of video specs but it's good enough. what really sells it for me is the ease of use, everything just works, and you can actually frame shots with the nice built in monitor, without any clunky external monitors or rigging etc.
I don't even use Auto focus on my S5iix the IBIS, V-log, image quality and the amount of codecs makes it the best all around camera today. You should have talked more about the IBIS because it got upgraded and it has different options so it depends how you use it. It doesn't have a wobble if you are using it properly. Although I agree the new 6k blackmagic has one of the best image and color science today, as well as S5iix but just better.
Beauty of this video is, that you are showing us the S5IIx and the Cinema 6K and still you have an other S5II or S5IIx to record the video.. :D Fuck if I had this luxury to have 2 S5IIs.
With the focus peaking the 6K is a dream to pull focus with. I am constantly amazed at how scared folk are of putting their hand on the lens. And it is a ton of fun to make pictures this way. The biggest point I think that is missed is that a hybrid camera while being technically capable of doing as good a job just has too much stuff in the way. It’s a design problem. The BM is designed so every control is at hand and predictable so it flows with your shoot. It makes a huge difference in usable footage.
It’s this refined workflow that has me wanting the 6k. I hate fiddling around with cameras with small touchscreen controls or buried features. Seems the 6k has most things just one click away
Very! they both need to be used on their strengths. we can keep dreaming on the perfect camera (6k or 8k, 16stops, 16bit, amazing internal IBIS and ND, Phase detect autofocus, High quality 6k120p Slow motion, raw and h.265 support, global shutter, triple native ISO 400, 4000, 25600)
I had the 6k Pro and the image was beautiful but outside of jobs I hated using it. I sold it and and got and S5 ii and I could never go back to blackmagic as my only camera. That being said I will probably end up getting a cc 6k as a camera for gigs.
Anthony what I like about your content is it clears up what exactly I need versus what I want. I do not have a need for BRAW but need AF for Events at times. I may get a BlackMagic if I get more into applications other than Events.
@@AnthonyRodriguezz definitely, your passion for Film would make me travel to get involved 😅 I shot Destination Weddings a lot but you out here trying to taking Prime and Netflix 😂 Stay at it Bro… love ya drive for this.
IMHO it's simple, if you ever run and gun, it's the S5iix, if your after a studio only camera it's the blackmagic. Also, the proresHQ to ssd is a game changer for those who use it as well as the in camera proxies. And the cost of a ssd is waaayyy less than the cfast2.0 cards that the blackmagic requires.
The s5iix is definitely a better run n gun camera overall imo. The blackmagic wins for other run n gun situations as well though… its more complicated than you’d think 😢
@@50450720 but I do?? I record straight to my ssd, I have lidar autofocus and I’m on rods with a vmount. It’s been very stable and in conjunction with my port keys lh5p and top handle I’ve never had a problem getting great footage out of it.
Compared to your RED the 6kFF is too digitalish, I have an old Scarlet X and I am thinking to move to 6KFF, let me know your comments about the organic or not organic look the blackmagic, thank you
The color matching happens mostly from the phantom LUTS, but regarding my color grading methods, I’ve been sitting on that video idea for a while now. I’m not sure when I’ll be making it, but I will soon-ish!
@@AnthonyRodriguezz I get great color and latitude from my s5ii by ETTR, but I was just wondering if there was a different method to getting a better highlight rolloff or maybe shadow detail. Would love to hear your thoughts because I know you grade on a bunch of different cameras, so you probably have more experience
Ambas são fantásticas! Tive a Bmpcc6k e com muita dor no coração vendi pra comprar a S5iix pois faço casamentos e a bmpcc6k para casamentos era muito peso, devido ao monitor, baterias e a falta de autofocus. Porém com a nova Blackmagic FF eu acho que irei comprar em breve para coisas como produções sem serem casamentos e uma se complemente a outra, acredito que a S5iix com ajustes na edição, principalmente usando o Dehancer da para chegar bem perto da BMCC6k. Obrigado pelo video
This is a no-brainer. The BMCC has so much character and doesn't look like generic digital footage that we see on UA-cam or instagram 5 millions times a day. For anyone staring out, I'd suggest the S5IIIX while you hone your film making skills and until your film-making becomes professionally serious. As an upgrade, the BMCC would be perfect for taking things to the next level. Great thing is you won't need to get new lenses when you upgrade. VIVA L MOUNT ALLIANCE
I have both. They have different use cases. S5: smaller, great I.S. and focus tracking. Fantastic image. Pro audio controller with the modual. CC6K: Nice screen, way better menu system, beautiful image, ND filters, no auto-focus is a limiting factor. A big one. Love both cameras.
I have the blackmagic original. So hard to make shoot in focus but the image quality is so amazing. But I m a solo shooter and think to composition, focus, light it makes me crazy. So for my propuse af is necessary. I still have doubts between a7iv and S5ii. Is the af of lumix still bad?
Guys can i have a suggestion? what if i can buy the s5 for 1100 eu? is it a better deal over all with a BM monitor 12g? where i'm at the BM FF 6k is nearly 3k without a lens and the markiix is 2500 eu; so much more than an s5
So difficult to discern any noticeable difference in the image, just ever slight color and contrast differences .. I wonder if it’s just because of UA-cam’s compression
Image quality (sans autofocus) vs the Swiss army knife..... Soooo, what about if you used an Aivascope on the S5ii.... would that not get enough cinematic looks/cred to edge out the BMPCC AND have the best of autofocus world when you needed it and used a regular lens?
Kindof… that’s like saying “what if you put gold flakes on a dominos pizza?” Wouldn’t that make it better than an authentic Italian pizza pie. Kinda sorta like that! While the aivascope would add a lot of character, it’s an anamorphic solution, which is not for everybody, and costs more than the Lumix s5iix body itself 😂 It just depends on your preferences and needs
I didn’t have E-stablization in the video examples. The wobbling comes from any strong IBIS that’s used with a really wide angle lens. It’s not specific to Panasonic, it’s just IBIS in general
Hey, I just watched a lot of your videos about the Lumix, incredible work! You said you mostly use it for talking heads and b-roll. My question is: *what codec are you shooting those in?* I have a hard time deciding whether or not to go RAW or even ProRes RAW due to the file sizes. But I love the soft look and and the highlight roll-off you achieve. Thanks in advance!
Thanks man! I use it for everything now! I shoot in h.265 long GOP 98% of the time 😂 There’s no magic with prores raw and BRAW is useful, just not worth it unless it’s for a big job that you want a failsafe and the best image possible. H.265 long GOP is perfectly fine for almost any situation and looks great! People hype the other codecs wayyyy too much.
Thanks for the rapid reply! I just shot H.265 for the first time the other day and was impressed how flexible it was to edit. Really think it deserves more of the hype for delivering so much flexibility at a small file size. And modern computers can handle it too 🙏
In low light, the BM 6k full-frame suffers just as much as the 6kpro, if not worse. Despite being a full frame, it didn't make any difference in low light. I expected some improvement in low light.
I’ve seen some tests but in my own personal usage I haven’t found that to be the case. It can’t go to higher ISO’s but the image itself is much cleaner at its usable ISO’s than the pocket
I'm wondering if the S1H II will be a total revamp body wise- something more between a C70 or fx 3. I know ergonomics affect internal performance - but itd be cool if lumix ditched the photo body and made a fully focused cinema camera.
I highly doubt there would be a redesign as that is part of their hybrid lineup. They’d save the redesign for their cinema line. The fx3 is pretty close to a mirrorless body as well. An FX6 or Komodo body would be wild. Basically just refresh the EVA-1!
I am a hybrid shooter so the BMPCC doesn’t make sense for me, as I need a good stills camera as well. I also use the EVF quite extensively and in my opinion it is always a better option outdoors than an relatively big monitor with reflections, etc. As much as I like the Blackmagic system and the image quality, I can’t afford having two systems.
Hey so I've been looking into this - want to confirm before I pull the trigger... on the site for phantom it says the panasonic ones are for Panasonic V-Log+V-Gamut... you used them on braw with both cams and it matched? I'm trying to understand the workflow before I pay. I really appreciate your help! @@AnthonyRodriguezz
Great video, thanks for comparing them! My other comment seems to have been removed or something, but keep in mind everyone that the blackmagic video assist does have software updates, and may require them to perform optimally. I ran into this issue when shooting with my s5iix, when I updated it it was no longer finicky. Thanks Anthony for the great video, hope this comment goes through!
The record button was finnicky. I set it to shutter triggers record and it wasn’t work and the whole thing was just big when adding batteries. Also, it freaks me out that I’m recording through a cable that isn’t locked
looks nearly identical 😄 How did u grade lumix h.265 footage to fit to bmpc? did u transform to bmpc and use bmpc lut? or just a phantom and they look pretty similar
I simply used a CST for the tests l! If you pause on it you’ll notice the skin tones of the h.265 for the s5iix is pretty magenta and the greens read a bit more blueish
Thank you so much for the comparison. I did get my hands on these two cameras. And this combo is fire. I love it. And by the way, I realized you are in the FTF family, nice seeing you there too.
Great video, love the change in editing. Really clean. Between my hands on experience with the S5ii and the older Pocket models, I d VCD a tell how difficult the comparisons are considering the niche targets they go for sometimes. Great footage and comparison, just praying I can get both in futures time lol
Hey Anthony! If u wave your hands when shooting as much as u do when acting in front of the camera, I want to know which cam handled the gyro-motion best? Was there a winner? Might make me seasick to be on a sailboat with you making a documentary about sailing if u have so much hands motion up and down, sideways and backways. 😎😎
bm is more the camera that we want, amazing image, but we can do all of our shoots with fx3 or s5II, the image with good base lut will be the better choice
I don't understand why you compare using a codec like BRaw, which is natively from BlackMNagic. instead of doing it with Raw on a Ninja (if you want to compare RAWs) or Prores 422...or even one of the All Intra formats on the S5IIx. The truth is that in these codecs the dynamic range of the S5IIx is even higher than the BMPCC 6K Pro 🤷♂ The rest of your comparison seems fair enough.
Quick question. Not to be brash but why would I compre a completely different raw format that can be used on many different cameras… as opposed to trying to keep it apples to apples as that’s what this comparison is for. Thats the point of getting the s5iix in the first place. Forget the fact that I think prores raw is almost useless and ridiculously large compared to BRAW. Also, the dynamic range is actually a bit higher in BRAW in the s5iix than in any of the other codecs that you mentioned
Hello! First of all, thank you for taking the time and for your honest response. My comment came because the video says which is better, the BMPCC 6K Pro or the Lumix S5IIx, right? So that includes each one being compared on their strengths, not on the strength of one of them, against the other's version of that same strength. Therefore, in this case, it is apples and pears 😇 I have been an editor and videographer for about 15 years. Although I don't have the courage to make videos for UA-cam, like you. So my respects. And I'm surprised that someone says that Prores is useless. In editing it is a delight. It is true that BRAW has its advantages, but it depends on the style, the workflow and ultimately the taste of each person. I agree that if I just want a spectacular image, and I'm not interested in anything else, I'll go for the BMPCC without a doubt. In fact, it would be my choice in many cases...but I can't say that it is "better" than the S5IIx. It's better if you need BRAW. Oftenly. In fact, I am exploring that I will "cook" most of my content with a lut within the same camera, because it is a huge advantage in the end, if I already know from the beginning what I want to have as a result, especially if you do (like I do) cross-platform commercial content. And that is what the S5IIx does. And actually tasted both cameras before buy. So the title of the video (in my opinion, that could be wrong) should have been which one records BRAW better, not which one is the better camera. That's my point. Because that would be me saying that the Lumix is better at taking photos and therefore is a better camera than the BM. I love your videos by the way. Please don´t kick me 😅 @@AnthonyRodriguezz
Appreciate the response! Before I respond, the title doesn’t actually say “Which Is Better?” And in the video I don’t specify that one is better than the other 🤦🏽♂️ With that being said, I highly disagree with a lot of things here’s, especially baking a LUT into your footage in camera BUT! We can just agree to disagree since this could get pretty time consuming 😉
Indeed, even S5 mk I with ninja V is dope. Prores RAW with all RAW sliders in use. It can hold +6 stops overexposure and bring it back. The DR is better than a7s III.
2 things 1 the lumix battery lasts two hours Black magic lasts about an 1hr 15 That's like a 50% better better life for lumix that's huge! 2. Imma be real with you, I can't see a difference to be honest. Like if I have to zoom in and pixel peep that means the image quality just isn't that much better. In a blind test I guarantee you no one could say which was which Also I don't understand why Raw is so important when all you're doing is doing the exact same thing you'd do on a 10bit camera. You're just slapping a rec 709 transform on both. If raw is great for pushing the image the image isn't being pushed. Lastly, good video.
Thanks man! It’s about 35% better which is good but not too crazy. The h.265 is for sure pretty different than the BMCC6k BRaw. Last thing, raw is incredibly useful. Being able to not worry about WB as much while shooting is priceless. Also, I heavily grade a good bit of my footage! For most it doesn’t matter AS much, still beneficial
Hey man. I’m in Orlando also if you are interested. Would love to put my sigmaFP and Z Cam S6 against it. Not the hottest new cameras but a good competitor for the bmcc6k is the FP.
The BMD camera is not a hybrid. You need kit it out, just like other Cinema cameras. Power, ELV or Monitor, Focus and Zoom drivers. It's not a stills camera. It's a cinema camera.
While I do agree it’s not a stills camera, to say you NEED all those things is simply not true. Can be used stripped down and functions really well that way! Besides the battery life, which isn’t the worst in the world
I think the future is interesting, but after trying one in real life my conclusion was the potential is amazing, but not $3500 worth of amazing. Also it’s fine for someone single or who spends a lot of time alone, but what good is an amazing environment or a movie on a giant screen if I can’t experience it with my friends and family? I’m open to where it may go it’s just definitely not there yet despite the great tech.
@@AnthonyRodriguezz Lol, this was totally a comment I thought I left for the Apple Vision Pro review by Jon Prosser 😋 not sure how it got posted here! Does that context help understand what I wrote? 😁
even if the BMCC6k has more pleasing image its terrible in low light , so for most commercial gigs the s5iix will be better especially if you are solo shooter and don't have a whole crew for filming ..
It can easily get a usable image at 3200! Also, if you’re shooting a “commercial” gig, you aren’t shooting in the dark… that’s for sure! I understand what you mean though!
@@AnthonyRodriguezz yeah, after much consideration, I just got myself a second S5, less than 900 bucks almost brand new, obviously I can use all of my lenses, including my anamorphic lenses, so I decided to go this way because the image quality is amazing, and it fits into my workflow, and it’s what I already have, so matching is easy, and so onward with my work, and no more deciding which b cam to buy. I’m good. :-) (I also found an S1H for less than 1200 bucks, but I was like, do I really want to carry this around all the time? Just for the low pass filter? Nope. The S5 does me fine. I’ve seen maré (is that the right spelling?) maybe once over the past year, and I was able to figure out how to get around it, so yeah, I’m good. And thanks for the great reviews, much appreciated.)
@@AnthonyRodriguezz I like the IQ of this camera….but that’s about it….. I do like and use Resolve a lot….just wish BM did not use it as a marketing tool for the rest of there hardware etc. Cheers !
@Sneaky-Sneaky the IQ is almost everything! But yeah prores would be nice. I personally don’t think I’d ever use it though. Maybe an h.265 codec would be more useful
In 80% of cases, you missed the focus on both cameras. I went through each scene carefully. I usually don't comment on this kind of nonsense on UA-cam, but this is really distasteful. You claim some things, but you drew all the conclusions from a missed focus. People like you should be held accountable for misinformation.
This is simply not true whatsoever 😂 I missed focus slightly on the walking shot with the BMCC, only slightly! And then the shot where he’s literally running at me, which is understandable. This is not even close to a professional setting where I would do multiple takes or better yet, hire an AC. Chill out Glad you chose to comment on this video though…. Even though the comment was just false 🤦🏽♂️ My claim was that it is much more difficult pulling focus manually on a tiny LCD screen when shooting in anamorphic, which it is. Nothing to be held accountable to there 👍🏼
For example, at 09:42, anyone can see that you have completely lost focus. The focus falls on the edge of the concrete wall (right). And it's almost a static shot, without much movement. Then right after 09:48, the shot where you are standing, the focus also falls to the right on the concrete structure. And not to list further. Everyone can look. Maybe you simply have problems with your field of vision, and that could be one reason. My point is that in order to do a review of a camera, it must be approached seriously. And not to say that one camera is worse than another and you screwed things up.
So you picked the two shots that I was using the s5ii, which more so proves my point that it is more difficult to nail focus when shooting open gate on the s5ii due to its small LCD… unfortunately, your point is null. You said 80% and pulled two shots that ended up provingthe point I made in the video 😂
If you need autofocus, buy a Sony. If you need BRAW, buy a blackmagic. That's what I bought, and I sold my Panasonic s5, my Ninja V recorder etc. Panasonic is great, but it seems a compromise in both: in raw, and in autofocus. But if I just buy one camera, Panasonic might be the best compromise.
![Blackmagic Cinema Camera 6K vs Panasonic Lumix S5ii [Including BRAW]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/iuzKtL8p5M8/mqdefault.jpg)
Like you I think the best option is both… the S5iiX is a killer hybrid camera for photography and it shoots really nice video. The black magic just kicks ass when it comes to video, the image is beautiful and I don’t care if it’s not a box it works for me. The fact that you can take the black magic out of the box put a lens on, a battery in it and go shoot for 2500 bucks to me is an amazing deal.
It’s such a good value!
@@AnthonyRodriguezz I’m also loving the L mount; I have three other cameras that use the same system and now all my lenses are interchangeable.
Great video! I have both the BMCC6K and S5ll and I use them both. They complimet each other nicely. I don't have to choose between them, instead I would recommend to get them both if you can. Take care.
Having them both is my recommendation for sure!
Hi, does the S5IIX match easily with the BM6k’s? I’m considering picking one up to compliment my 6ks.
Blackmagic was and is all about maximum image quality for the pricepoint, at the cost of everything else. Back when they released the 4k, the hybrid market was still doing 8-bit, and there was blackmagic throwing 12-bit raw at us. The body was a bit clunky, it didn't have a lot of the bells and whistles that hybrid cameras had, but the image was so good I was happy to compromise. Now though... hybrid cameras have gotten so good. The blackmagic image is still better... but only just, and its getting very difficult to convince myself to compromise on the other stuff for the sake of that.
Honestly, what they need to do is just do their take on the FX3. I would buy that with no reservations.
If they made a camera with all the comforts of a mirrorless camera that would be unreal…
9:03 Why didn’t we get a side-by-side comparison during the Image Quality portion to affirm what you’re saying?? 😩
That’s what the sample footage right before it was supposed to showcase. It was nearly impossible to showcase that kind of claim as it involves scientific tests that I wasn’t planning on doing. In practice though, that’s what I’ve noticed
I agree with your comments, they're both great cameras for different scenarios. I have an S5 and these are my two contenders for my next upgrade, thanks for the comparison!
Glad it was helpful for ya!
Just the comparison I’ve been looking for. It definitely seems like the overall image quality is preeeettttty close between the too. That BM definitely looks a little better right out of the gate though. Vibrant and punchy without being too digital. Love it!
My guy! Glad you enjoyed it 🙌🏼
Internal RAW, a locking multi-voltage DC power connector, proper metadata timecode, simultaneous proxies, (soon) automatic integration with a cloud workflow, internal balanced audio with phantom power, not to mention the built-in live production resources in case you need to stream. The BMCC (FF) 6k provides tremendous value for productions that need to move beyond solo operator.
I will say all of these thing can be had with the s5iix. The proxies and cloud workflow big as much but tbh that will be necessary for a very specific group of people.
The FF is great! To say the s5iix is a slouch for anybody that’s not just a solo operator is a pretty big stretch though!
@@AnthonyRodriguezz I owned an S5IIx, and it can’t do the things I outlined. The Lumix doesn’t record internal RAW. It doesn’t have an independent power port-you have to tie up the USB-C. It doesn’t embed timecode properly-though you can record timecode as an audio track and embed it later, that’s an extra step. It doesn’t record simultaneous proxies. It requires an external hot shoe adapter to have XLR and phantom power. You can’t plug it into an ATEM switcher and control it remotely, nor can you control a zoom rocker and focus demand. The Lumix has other features not found in the BM, though in my use case, I have other ways to tackle both autofocus and stabilization. For me (though certainly not for everyone) the BM is a much better value.
@@wavelandif your a solo operator then the lumix , its really that simple.
@ Not even close. I’ve tested an S5IIx and it’s okay but the low light performance isn’t there, and the rolling shutter performance is not great. Plus you have to dangle an SSD to get all the internal frame rates and some of those aren’t 10-bit. Plus the Sony has dual slot recording which to me is a must. Plus the FX3 is smaller when I want to run it on a gimbal. And if I need stills, I have a Z9. The Lumix is a nice camera for what it can do, but it can’t beat and FX3/6 in video and I’ll take 45 megapixels (and internal RAW if I need to swap into video mode) all day long.
What do you need 45mp/internal raw as a solo operator?
the cinema 6k has some shortcomings in terms of video specs but it's good enough. what really sells it for me is the ease of use, everything just works, and you can actually frame shots with the nice built in monitor, without any clunky external monitors or rigging etc.
Agreed!
I don't even use Auto focus on my S5iix the IBIS, V-log, image quality and the amount of codecs makes it the best all around camera today. You should have talked more about the IBIS because it got upgraded and it has different options so it depends how you use it. It doesn't have a wobble if you are using it properly. Although I agree the new 6k blackmagic has one of the best image and color science today, as well as S5iix but just better.
This video was made before that update
Beauty of this video is, that you are showing us the S5IIx and the Cinema 6K and still you have an other S5II or S5IIx to record the video.. :D Fuck if I had this luxury to have 2 S5IIs.
Hahaha! Yeah… it’s my job 😉
With the focus peaking the 6K is a dream to pull focus with. I am constantly amazed at how scared folk are of putting their hand on the lens. And it is a ton of fun to make pictures this way.
The biggest point I think that is missed is that a hybrid camera while being technically capable of doing as good a job just has too much stuff in the way. It’s a design problem. The BM is designed so every control is at hand and predictable so it flows with your shoot. It makes a huge difference in usable footage.
It’s this refined workflow that has me wanting the 6k. I hate fiddling around with cameras with small touchscreen controls or buried features. Seems the 6k has most things just one click away
@@robertcrystals Very much so. The big screen allows you to see the world as a stage, and then the user interface has space to be elegant as well.
I had been leaning more towards the 6k as I already have the OG S5. But dang I also want that autofocus for gimbal work haha
It’s a hard choice, right?!
Very! they both need to be used on their strengths. we can keep dreaming on the perfect camera (6k or 8k, 16stops, 16bit, amazing internal IBIS and ND, Phase detect autofocus, High quality 6k120p Slow motion, raw and h.265 support, global shutter, triple native ISO 400, 4000, 25600)
Yeah I'm in the same boat. I have the OG S5 and I don't know if I should go for better image quality or better autofocus haha
I had the 6k Pro and the image was beautiful but outside of jobs I hated using it. I sold it and and got and S5 ii and I could never go back to blackmagic as my only camera. That being said I will probably end up getting a cc 6k as a camera for gigs.
I definitely recommend having both options
What did you hate about using it?
Anthony what I like about your content is it clears up what exactly I need versus what I want.
I do not have a need for BRAW but need AF for Events at times. I may get a BlackMagic if I get more into applications other than Events.
I appreciate that man! Glad it’s helpful for ya!
@@AnthonyRodriguezz definitely, your passion for Film would make me travel to get involved 😅 I shot Destination Weddings a lot but you out here trying to taking Prime and Netflix 😂
Stay at it Bro… love ya drive for this.
AYYY...ONE THING i have noticed when I throw a canon fd on my camera like my s1 it has a much more BM type image..I call it blackmagic mode lol
Hahaha that’s awesome! Yeah vintage lenses help alot
IMHO it's simple, if you ever run and gun, it's the S5iix, if your after a studio only camera it's the blackmagic.
Also, the proresHQ to ssd is a game changer for those who use it as well as the in camera proxies.
And the cost of a ssd is waaayyy less than the cfast2.0 cards that the blackmagic requires.
The s5iix is definitely a better run n gun camera overall imo.
The blackmagic wins for other run n gun situations as well though… its more complicated than you’d think 😢
Hmm…what’s so game changing if the bm can do it as well?
@@therealvontetv3117 just try recording prores hq hand held with the BM. Good luck with that.
@@50450720 but I do?? I record straight to my ssd, I have lidar autofocus and I’m on rods with a vmount. It’s been very stable and in conjunction with my port keys lh5p and top handle I’ve never had a problem getting great footage out of it.
Compared to your RED the 6kFF is too digitalish, I have an old Scarlet X and I am thinking to move to 6KFF, let me know your comments about the organic or not organic look the blackmagic, thank you
It looks great!
Haven’t found it to be “too digital”
you LOVED the bmpcc6k in this one. funny to see you sell it
Yeah… still do!
My client work shifted more towards one man band so a second S5ii at $1200 was more beneficial.
Not married to any camera
@@AnthonyRodriguezz i can Totally get behind that
I would love to see a color breakdown on how you got more information out of the lumix s5iiX. Or a color match between the s5iiX and the cinema 6k
The color matching happens mostly from the phantom LUTS, but regarding my color grading methods, I’ve been sitting on that video idea for a while now.
I’m not sure when I’ll be making it, but I will soon-ish!
@@AnthonyRodriguezz I get great color and latitude from my s5ii by ETTR, but I was just wondering if there was a different method to getting a better highlight rolloff or maybe shadow detail. Would love to hear your thoughts because I know you grade on a bunch of different cameras, so you probably have more experience
Ambas são fantásticas! Tive a Bmpcc6k e com muita dor no coração vendi pra comprar a S5iix pois faço casamentos e a bmpcc6k para casamentos era muito peso, devido ao monitor, baterias e a falta de autofocus. Porém com a nova Blackmagic FF eu acho que irei comprar em breve para coisas como produções sem serem casamentos e uma se complemente a outra, acredito que a S5iix com ajustes na edição, principalmente usando o Dehancer da para chegar bem perto da BMCC6k. Obrigado pelo video
This is a no-brainer. The BMCC has so much character and doesn't look like generic digital footage that we see on UA-cam or instagram 5 millions times a day. For anyone staring out, I'd suggest the S5IIIX while you hone your film making skills and until your film-making becomes professionally serious. As an upgrade, the BMCC would be perfect for taking things to the next level. Great thing is you won't need to get new lenses when you upgrade. VIVA L MOUNT ALLIANCE
quick question, does the lumix need to meet the requirements for storage like on the bmpcc 6k etc? or is it just good to go out the box?
Not sure I understand
I have both. They have different use cases. S5: smaller, great I.S. and focus tracking. Fantastic image. Pro audio controller with the modual. CC6K: Nice screen, way better menu system, beautiful image, ND filters, no auto-focus is a limiting factor. A big one. Love both cameras.
ND Filters? It doesn't have ND built in, you're either confusing this full frame model for the 6k pro or you just dont actually own it lol
Yeah it’s a pick and choose kind of battle here with these cameras
I have the Pro@@philrodfilms
I have the blackmagic original. So hard to make shoot in focus but the image quality is so amazing.
But I m a solo shooter and think to composition, focus, light it makes me crazy. So for my propuse af is necessary.
I still have doubts between a7iv and S5ii.
Is the af of lumix still bad?
Hey man!!
It was never “bad” just had quirks
But here the million dollar question is, how do you get perfect focus on the BlackMagic, what do you use?
Practice!
Guys can i have a suggestion? what if i can buy the s5 for 1100 eu? is it a better deal over all with a BM monitor 12g? where i'm at the BM FF 6k is nearly 3k without a lens and the markiix is 2500 eu; so much more than an s5
If you don’t need AF it might be a better deal, yes. Tbh depending on the work, you probably don’t need the video assist at all
@@AnthonyRodriguezz thank you!!
So difficult to discern any noticeable difference in the image, just ever slight color and contrast differences .. I wonder if it’s just because of UA-cam’s compression
If you pause on it you’ll notice the skin tones of the h.265 for the s5iix is pretty purple and the green read more a bit more blueish
Image quality (sans autofocus) vs the Swiss army knife..... Soooo, what about if you used an Aivascope on the S5ii.... would that not get enough cinematic looks/cred to edge out the BMPCC AND have the best of autofocus world when you needed it and used a regular lens?
Kindof… that’s like saying “what if you put gold flakes on a dominos pizza?” Wouldn’t that make it better than an authentic Italian pizza pie. Kinda sorta like that!
While the aivascope would add a lot of character, it’s an anamorphic solution, which is not for everybody, and costs more than the Lumix s5iix body itself 😂
It just depends on your preferences and needs
@@AnthonyRodriguezz lol........looks like dinner is gonna be expensive.... gold pizza everyone :)
You have no wabbleing if you disable the e-stabilisation in the menu😉
I didn’t have E-stablization in the video examples.
The wobbling comes from any strong IBIS that’s used with a really wide angle lens. It’s not specific to Panasonic, it’s just IBIS in general
Love using 6KFF for video and A7iii for photos
Solid!
Hey, I just watched a lot of your videos about the Lumix, incredible work! You said you mostly use it for talking heads and b-roll.
My question is: *what codec are you shooting those in?*
I have a hard time deciding whether or not to go RAW or even ProRes RAW due to the file sizes. But I love the soft look and and the highlight roll-off you achieve. Thanks in advance!
Thanks man!
I use it for everything now!
I shoot in h.265 long GOP 98% of the time 😂 There’s no magic with prores raw and BRAW is useful, just not worth it unless it’s for a big job that you want a failsafe and the best image possible. H.265 long GOP is perfectly fine for almost any situation and looks great! People hype the other codecs wayyyy too much.
Thanks for the rapid reply! I just shot H.265 for the first time the other day and was impressed how flexible it was to edit. Really think it deserves more of the hype for delivering so much flexibility at a small file size. And modern computers can handle it too 🙏
Did open gate a Braw option change with the new update?
It was never in there!
@@AnthonyRodriguezz I may have worded my question poorly. Do you know with the new firmware updates with the s5iix if it will do braw open gate?
In low light, the BM 6k full-frame suffers just as much as the 6kpro, if not worse. Despite being a full frame, it didn't make any difference in low light. I expected some improvement in low light.
I’ve seen some tests but in my own personal usage I haven’t found that to be the case. It can’t go to higher ISO’s but the image itself is much cleaner at its usable ISO’s than the pocket
What was wrong with the monitor? Had had no issues so far
Which monitor?
Nothing is wrong with either monitor
You mentioned you didn’t like recording braw on the video assist. What issues were you having?
Oooo the connection, it was flat out not working a couple of times, it’s heavy on top. I’d rather just not have it than have it
Im ok with that without autofocus it good to have muscle memory for scaling to focus
For certain work, I 100% need it
I'm wondering if the S1H II will be a total revamp body wise- something more between a C70 or fx 3. I know ergonomics affect internal performance - but itd be cool if lumix ditched the photo body and made a fully focused cinema camera.
I highly doubt there would be a redesign as that is part of their hybrid lineup. They’d save the redesign for their cinema line.
The fx3 is pretty close to a mirrorless body as well. An FX6 or Komodo body would be wild. Basically just refresh the EVA-1!
For the gimbal part ... if you got a Lidar ... then BMCC6k is also good option ... if not better.
Yeah… that’s yet another thing I need to rig up and have potentially fail! I’d rather be pulling focus at that point!
But it is a viable option!
I am a hybrid shooter so the BMPCC doesn’t make sense for me, as I need a good stills camera as well. I also use the EVF quite extensively and in my opinion it is always a better option outdoors than an relatively big monitor with reflections, etc. As much as I like the Blackmagic system and the image quality, I can’t afford having two systems.
Makes sense!
Hey so I have both but thinking sometimes will be using as a b cams. Do you have a color matching workflow for them?
I just use each sensors phantom lut and it matches pretty perfectly
Hey so I've been looking into this - want to confirm before I pull the trigger... on the site for phantom it says the panasonic ones are for Panasonic V-Log+V-Gamut... you used them on braw with both cams and it matched? I'm trying to understand the workflow before I pay. I really appreciate your help! @@AnthonyRodriguezz
I wish BMCC6k got electronic VND. I would definitely buy it. Without a filter I would probably stay with my S5IIX although thinking about FX6 :D.
Same bro… that would be incredible. I’d easily pay 3k
Great video, thanks for comparing them! My other comment seems to have been removed or something, but keep in mind everyone that the blackmagic video assist does have software updates, and may require them to perform optimally. I ran into this issue when shooting with my s5iix, when I updated it it was no longer finicky. Thanks Anthony for the great video, hope this comment goes through!
It was updated! But yeah the setup is great! It’s just another potential point of failure.
Glad this comment went through💪🏼
what issues were you running into during the shoot? @@AnthonyRodriguezz
The record button was finnicky. I set it to shutter triggers record and it wasn’t work and the whole thing was just big when adding batteries.
Also, it freaks me out that I’m recording through a cable that isn’t locked
Great comparison ! You live in Orlando ?
Thanks!
Yes I do!
looks nearly identical 😄 How did u grade lumix h.265 footage to fit to bmpc? did u transform to bmpc and use bmpc lut? or just a phantom and they look pretty similar
I simply used a CST for the tests l!
If you pause on it you’ll notice the skin tones of the h.265 for the s5iix is pretty magenta and the greens read a bit more blueish
@@AnthonyRodriguezz Thanks! cool test, both cameras looks pretty similar then :))
what about low light situation, i can shot 16000 iso with s1
Haven’t tested that!
Amazing content as always... I hope to only be shooting internally on S5ii ... would that hold up image wise ?
Yeah! Perfectly fine
Hi sir Which camera you have used to shoot on the studio because this looks grate
S5ii I believe
when I go to orlando im bringing the panasonics and the vintage lenses to create blackmagic mode and we will have another shootout haha
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Hey man, thank you for sharing your thoughts. Can I ask what type of SSD you use for the Blackmagic video assist 12G? Thank you
I’m using a v60 SD card, not an ssd
THE video I needed ! thanks
That’s so good to hear!
does lumix s5IIx image near to BMPCC 6k image
Kinda sorta. The s5iix comes relatively close
Thank you so much for the comparison. I did get my hands on these two cameras. And this combo is fire. I love it. And by the way, I realized you are in the FTF family, nice seeing you there too.
Such a good combo! FTF 😎💪🏼
Hey bro ❤ how much is lumix s5ii image quality superior from fx30?
It’s Kindof subjective but I’d say far superior
Great video, love the change in editing. Really clean. Between my hands on experience with the S5ii and the older Pocket models, I d VCD a tell how difficult the comparisons are considering the niche targets they go for sometimes. Great footage and comparison, just praying I can get both in futures time lol
Thanks bro! They’re both great
Would using a black pro mist filter give the x a closer look to the black?
I see the thought process but that’s not necessarily what is the main difference here BUT they both look great!
Hey Anthony! If u wave your hands when shooting as much as u do when acting in front of the camera, I want to know which cam handled the gyro-motion best? Was there a winner? Might make me seasick to be on a sailboat with you making a documentary about sailing if u have so much hands motion up and down, sideways and backways. 😎😎
Not sure I understand this comment 🤷🏽♂️
Are you just saying I move my hands a lot when I talk?
bm is more the camera that we want, amazing image, but we can do all of our shoots with fx3 or s5II, the image with good base lut will be the better choice
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if you compare braw to braw the blackmagic is better or its the same cinematic image?@@AnthonyRodriguezz
Blackmagc wins! Better dynamic range for sure. Great video!
Thanks bro! 🙌🏼
I don't understand why you compare using a codec like BRaw, which is natively from BlackMNagic. instead of doing it with Raw on a Ninja (if you want to compare RAWs) or Prores 422...or even one of the All Intra formats on the S5IIx. The truth is that in these codecs the dynamic range of the S5IIx is even higher than the BMPCC 6K Pro 🤷♂ The rest of your comparison seems fair enough.
Quick question. Not to be brash but why would I compre a completely different raw format that can be used on many different cameras… as opposed to trying to keep it apples to apples as that’s what this comparison is for. Thats the point of getting the s5iix in the first place.
Forget the fact that I think prores raw is almost useless and ridiculously large compared to BRAW.
Also, the dynamic range is actually a bit higher in BRAW in the s5iix than in any of the other codecs that you mentioned
Hello! First of all, thank you for taking the time and for your honest response.
My comment came because the video says which is better, the BMPCC 6K Pro or the Lumix S5IIx, right?
So that includes each one being compared on their strengths, not on the strength of one of them, against the other's version of that same strength.
Therefore, in this case, it is apples and pears 😇
I have been an editor and videographer for about 15 years. Although I don't have the courage to make videos for UA-cam, like you. So my respects.
And I'm surprised that someone says that Prores is useless. In editing it is a delight. It is true that BRAW has its advantages, but it depends on the style, the workflow and ultimately the taste of each person.
I agree that if I just want a spectacular image, and I'm not interested in anything else, I'll go for the BMPCC without a doubt. In fact, it would be my choice in many cases...but I can't say that it is "better" than the S5IIx. It's better if you need BRAW. Oftenly. In fact, I am exploring that I will "cook" most of my content with a lut within the same camera, because it is a huge advantage in the end, if I already know from the beginning what I want to have as a result, especially if you do (like I do) cross-platform commercial content.
And that is what the S5IIx does. And actually tasted both cameras before buy.
So the title of the video (in my opinion, that could be wrong) should have been which one records BRAW better, not which one is the better camera. That's my point.
Because that would be me saying that the Lumix is better at taking photos and therefore is a better camera than the BM.
I love your videos by the way. Please don´t kick me 😅 @@AnthonyRodriguezz
Appreciate the response!
Before I respond, the title doesn’t actually say “Which Is Better?” And in the video I don’t specify that one is better than the other 🤦🏽♂️
With that being said, I highly disagree with a lot of things here’s, especially baking a LUT into your footage in camera BUT!
We can just agree to disagree since this could get pretty time consuming 😉
👊😀@@AnthonyRodriguezz
Indeed, even S5 mk I with ninja V is dope. Prores RAW with all RAW sliders in use. It can hold +6 stops overexposure and bring it back. The DR is better than a7s III.
dope video, I love my S5ii but the blackmagic has some great quality. Can't go wrong depending on what you do.
You really can’t go wrong! I have to agree with you though that blackmagic image is 🤌🏼
Your buddy luis is a baddie 🔥😂 great work fam!
He’s taken!! Don’t get any ideas 🙄
2 things
1 the lumix battery lasts two hours
Black magic lasts about an 1hr 15
That's like a 50% better better life for lumix that's huge!
2. Imma be real with you, I can't see a difference to be honest. Like if I have to zoom in and pixel peep that means the image quality just isn't that much better. In a blind test I guarantee you no one could say which was which
Also I don't understand why Raw is so important when all you're doing is doing the exact same thing you'd do on a 10bit camera. You're just slapping a rec 709 transform on both. If raw is great for pushing the image the image isn't being pushed.
Lastly, good video.
Thanks man!
It’s about 35% better which is good but not too crazy.
The h.265 is for sure pretty different than the BMCC6k BRaw.
Last thing, raw is incredibly useful. Being able to not worry about WB as much while shooting is priceless. Also, I heavily grade a good bit of my footage! For most it doesn’t matter AS much, still beneficial
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
Hope it was helpful! 🙏🏼
@@AnthonyRodriguezz it was great!
Hey man. I’m in Orlando also if you are interested. Would love to put my sigmaFP and Z Cam S6 against it. Not the hottest new cameras but a good competitor for the bmcc6k is the FP.
Hey man! Comparisons aren’t my favorite videos to make, but maybe 😂
The BMD camera is not a hybrid. You need kit it out, just like other Cinema cameras. Power, ELV or Monitor, Focus and Zoom drivers. It's not a stills camera. It's a cinema camera.
While I do agree it’s not a stills camera, to say you NEED all those things is simply not true.
Can be used stripped down and functions really well that way! Besides the battery life, which isn’t the worst in the world
I think the future is interesting, but after trying one in real life my conclusion was the potential is amazing, but not $3500 worth of amazing. Also it’s fine for someone single or who spends a lot of time alone, but what good is an amazing environment or a movie on a giant screen if I can’t experience it with my friends and family? I’m open to where it may go it’s just definitely not there yet despite the great tech.
Not sure I’m understanding here
@@AnthonyRodriguezz Lol, this was totally a comment I thought I left for the Apple Vision Pro review by Jon Prosser 😋 not sure how it got posted here! Does that context help understand what I wrote? 😁
LUMIX S5iiX Touch Screen ????
What’s the question here?
@@AnthonyRodriguezz i am Asking S5IIX Screen Touch Or No??
@@myraproduction2023Yes, it has a touch screen.
even if the BMCC6k has more pleasing image its terrible in low light , so for most commercial gigs the s5iix will be better especially if you are solo shooter and don't have a whole crew for filming ..
It can easily get a usable image at 3200!
Also, if you’re shooting a “commercial” gig, you aren’t shooting in the dark… that’s for sure! I understand what you mean though!
Here from dave morefields vlog 🤘🏼
Woo! Welcome 🙌🏼
Great review. ;)
Thank you! 🙏🏼
@@AnthonyRodriguezz yeah, after much consideration, I just got myself a second S5, less than 900 bucks almost brand new, obviously I can use all of my lenses, including my anamorphic lenses, so I decided to go this way because the image quality is amazing, and it fits into my workflow, and it’s what I already have, so matching is easy, and so onward with my work, and no more deciding which b cam to buy. I’m good. :-) (I also found an S1H for less than 1200 bucks, but I was like, do I really want to carry this around all the time? Just for the low pass filter? Nope. The S5 does me fine. I’ve seen maré (is that the right spelling?) maybe once over the past year, and I was able to figure out how to get around it, so yeah, I’m good. And thanks for the great reviews, much appreciated.)
@RockWILK I could sold you an s5!
@@AnthonyRodriguezz oh well. 😉👀💪🏼
Missed focus? The s5iix has focus peaking bruh.
Sunny day, extremely small screen bruh
that drone footage😎
You like? 😏
The low cost version of these two would be the BMPCC 4K and the LUMIX g9 ll.
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And it is $900 off of retail right now.
rolling shutter is bad bad bad when u use wideangle lens on both cam the image just jutter everywhere😂
I think you might have rolling shutter confused with ibis shakes!
Rolling shutter doesn’t affect the jittering in an image
"Dont waste your money", just buy both of them :)
Hahaha that’s an option too!
DJI Focus Pro + BMCC6k = ok
Just ok 😉
PRORES VS PRORES?😅
😂 I don’t like prores whatsoever 🫣
Sigh .... just when I think I know which camera to get....
😂
Lumix S5IIX
Love the s5iix
Is the BTS camera a Canon? The wobbles are horrible 😂
Lumix s5iix 👀
To be fair it was at 16mm any camera would wobble at that focal length
Not bad LUMIX not bad.
Right?!
As a Pro res shooter….😂!
😂😂 oooo prores 🙄
@@AnthonyRodriguezz
I like the IQ of this camera….but that’s about it…..
I do like and use Resolve a lot….just wish BM did not use it as a marketing tool for the rest of there hardware etc.
Cheers !
@Sneaky-Sneaky the IQ is almost everything!
But yeah prores would be nice. I personally don’t think I’d ever use it though. Maybe an h.265 codec would be more useful
first?
First what?
U confused us even more
Who’s us?
If you have to save money, stay away from photography/videography.
Huh?
Another toy video.
Why waste your time on a “toy” video?
In 80% of cases, you missed the focus on both cameras. I went through each scene carefully. I usually don't comment on this kind of nonsense on UA-cam, but this is really distasteful. You claim some things, but you drew all the conclusions from a missed focus. People like you should be held accountable for misinformation.
This is simply not true whatsoever 😂
I missed focus slightly on the walking shot with the BMCC, only slightly! And then the shot where he’s literally running at me, which is understandable. This is not even close to a professional setting where I would do multiple takes or better yet, hire an AC. Chill out
Glad you chose to comment on this video though…. Even though the comment was just false 🤦🏽♂️
My claim was that it is much more difficult pulling focus manually on a tiny LCD screen when shooting in anamorphic, which it is. Nothing to be held accountable to there 👍🏼
@@AnthonyRodriguezz
For example, at 09:42, anyone can see that you have completely lost focus. The focus falls on the edge of the concrete wall (right). And it's almost a static shot, without much movement. Then right after 09:48, the shot where you are standing, the focus also falls to the right on the concrete structure. And not to list further. Everyone can look. Maybe you simply have problems with your field of vision, and that could be one reason. My point is that in order to do a review of a camera, it must be approached seriously. And not to say that one camera is worse than another and you screwed things up.
So you picked the two shots that I was using the s5ii, which more so proves my point that it is more difficult to nail focus when shooting open gate on the s5ii due to its small LCD… unfortunately, your point is null.
You said 80% and pulled two shots that ended up provingthe point I made in the video 😂
@@AnthonyRodriguezz Whatever you say. If only you were as good at making videos as you are at arguing… bye
If you need autofocus, buy a Sony. If you need BRAW, buy a blackmagic. That's what I bought, and I sold my Panasonic s5, my Ninja V recorder etc. Panasonic is great, but it seems a compromise in both: in raw, and in autofocus. But if I just buy one camera, Panasonic might be the best compromise.
Solid assessment
Aaaah, I love everything about the BMCC but am I one man band and will need autofocus and human recognition 🫠
S5ii it is!!
What about DJI focus pro? Since you don’t have to spend $$ on the monitor/recorder you can spend it on amazing autofocus setup!