Yeswelder Firstess MP200 Part 2: Stick, Dual Shield and Lies
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- Опубліковано 27 лют 2022
- This is part two of my in-depth look at the Yeswelder Firstess MP200. I test dual shield flux core wire and stick welding. I also find that despite the claims to be fixing issues and the vast marketing campaigns attempting to paint Yeswelder as a major player in the welding industry and a massive Kickstarter campaign that raised millions of dollars, they are still releasing the same, falsely advertised products they always did. Get better, Yeswelder! I'm fresh out of "benefit of the doubt."
Accurate specs, accurate advertising and accurate data tags don't cost any more and should be the bare minimum expectation. We wouldn't accept this from any other industry. If we found that Canon cameras all had 25% less resolution than claimed and the included batteries were half the capacity and voltage shown on the label, it would be a major scandal full of angry customers. If it was discovered that cans of Pepsi were only 10 oz. and had twice as much sugar and twice the calories as what the nutrition label claimed, it would be a major scandal. If it was discovered that Ford's latest V8 engine had two fake cylinders on the end and was actually a V6, there would be major backlash.
What if a company takes in millions of dollars for a Kickstarter campaign and delivers a product that can't do what is says? What if that product's specs and claimed capabilities are inaccurate? Should we care? What if this company has an entire product line littered with products that can't meet the rated specs? Should we care? Or should we just accept it because "it's cheap?"
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I have no problem with someone liking Yeswelder machines, being satisfied with the performance and value of Yeswelder machines, or even singing their praises if that's how they feel.
But this isn't exactly a budget machine. Yeswelder took in millions of dollars in funding for the MP200. It is currently $1,000 on their website. That isn't a super cheap machine. $1,000 is a LOT of money.
Yeswelder is pushing their brand all over the place. the hashtag "why we weld" is all over the internet and even in my e-mail box. This company, in their words, is passionate about welding with a love for the industry and is making high-quality, state-of-the-art, high performance, safe equipment. But at the same time, they are releasing welders that haven't been submitted to any safety or regulatory agency for any kind of testing or certification. Though that doesn't stop them from printing the actual certification code those agencies use on their completely inaccurate data tags. It doesn't stop them from including manuals (for the welders that actually include manuals) full of inaccuracies and misinformation. It doesn't stop them from selling machines that are often not fully capable of what they claim and are programmed so the display will make it LOOK like they are.
One thing I didn't mention in this video is warranty coverage. In my phone conversation with them, I brought up the fact that they have no official warranty policy. They emphatically stated that they would take care of issues. From what I've heard, they generally do take care of issues, at least very early on. But I explained to them that without something in writing, customers are left guessing what is covered, what the actual policy is and whether it might change on a whim without any recourse. Yeswelder assured me they were presently having lawyers write up a warranty policy. Here we are, nearly a year later after the release of two more machines, and there is still no mention of an actual, official warranty policy. The product page for the MP200 doesn't make a single mention of any warranty. Is there one? Maybe. What is it, how long is the coverage and what does it cover? Who knows.
I think if Yeswelder is going to advertise that they care about their customers, care about quality, care about the industry and are committed to becoming part of the welding community, then they should be held accountable for their disregard for honest advertising and for their misrepresentation of specs and performance.
Can you message me I have a neat project idea
I'll send you an email on the address listed on your channel.
I got a question is if it's possible if I can send you a welder that I've been using for a while so you could put it through its paces and see what you think and if it meets the specs that it says that it is because I've been pretty damn happy with it and I do believe it's putting out the 200 amps that it is and it is a scratch start machine too but it works better than the yes welder it has manual settings and manual adjustments and everything or if you can actually find one it is called a plasmargon mig 255 very inexpensive you can find them on eBay for about $320 and they seem to work damn good and I even changed out the liner on my mig gun and I push aluminum through the mig gun and weld aluminum with it too with 5356 spools in it.
@@danielsplayhouse3804 punctuation, man! Who would respond to this jumble of words!?!
@@danielsplayhouse3804dude, please stop using the word and. Just forget that it even exists. It’s even less typing if you just hit this symbol . on your keyboard or screen. It’s called a period and let’s people know you have a little bit of sense when they read stuff you type. See what I did there; I used the word and the proper way. But that may be too advanced for you to try right off the bat; just stick with the period for now!
Thank GOD for this review!!! I damn near purchased this overhyped piece of equipment…. I think you are the only welding equipment reviewer that has accurately established wtf the situation is with this welder.
So did I my friend!!
Thanks for holding their feet to the fire & I enjoy your thoroughness & attention to detail. Constructive criticism is an opportunity for change
This is why I like your videos. No drama, just good info. 👍
As a mechanical engineer, just wanted to say I sincerely appreciate your review! It’s the first review of ever seen of a welder where someone actually checked the amp flow with an amp meter….awesome!! I was
Skeptical about this machine/company. Keep up the good work!
This is what we need more reviewers like you.
Thanks for bringing this to light, I've been looking at their latest release and it's seems nice. but, I will stop wasting my time with dreaming of their machines.
Thank you for this video. I appreciate your honesty and research.
Thanks for this. I got one of the Kickstarter welders and have been satisfied as a hobbyist, but I basically don’t know what I’m doing. I appreciate you explaining the importance of the specs.
Happy to help. If you have it and it works for you, that's what matters. I just like to give people additional information so they can make the best decisions as to what's best for them. After any review, good or bad, I have no issue with anyone buying or not buying a product. As long as they are satisfied, that's what is important.
Thank you for this video I have the same machine that I have yet to try out. Thank you for your honesty.
Damn, thanks for this review, I am really not going to buy this yeswelder now, I was really hoping this welder to look and perform better than fronius and miller but since I cannot buy those because I am cheap & I am a hobbyist I really thought this welder would fill up my needs and perform the best the world has ever seen.
I am really thankful that you opened my eyes that a cheap welder will have cheap stuff inside and will not perform adequately, seriously who would have thought that one coming...
Thanks for the review i was looking at getting 1. Now looking around
A note about self-shielded FC - 0.030 is only good for for up to 150ish amps depending on induction. It starts running like crap when you run too thin a wire at too much amps. My theory is the wire has no preheat time, even with a longer stick-out at out-of-rating amperages so more of the flux vaporizes before it has a chance to shield the puddle. So solution . . .bigger diametre wire. Love self shielded wire. Great vid, thanks.
What a bummer! I'm really glad you made these videos, saved me from a world of problems lol. The specs were pretty insane for a 1k MP welder, should've known it was too good to be true.
So far it all works. It just has pretty much the same performance and specs (including the inaccuracies) as a $400 Yeswelder machine, with the exception of having a plasma cutter. I'm working on part three where I test the plasma cutter and give some final thoughts on value.
@@bigtb1717 The lack of performance has me considering the eastwood MP250i instead because it does what its advertised to do, and runs extremely well from what I've seen. It's only a few hundred dollars more, and comes with a concrete 3 year warranty, and all the cables are 12' minimum.
I look forward to part 3 none the less, I can appreciate the time and effort that goes into reviews like this.
I initially pre-ordered a YesWelder MP200 back in November 2021 expecting a January delivery. After delivery was pushed back to 'possibly' March, I canceled the order and instead went with the YesWelder MIG 205DS. Gotta say I'm pleasantly surprised by it and so far, so good...its met my expectations. If I had to make my living as a welder, I'd probably have gone with a Miller or Lincoln, but since I only need something for home/hobby projects this is more than adequate. Anytime I've called them with a question, I always managed to reach a human, and emails have always been answered fairly quickly.
Is their office, in the states?
@@aloud9738 Yes...in Boulder, Colorado.
As information, I also order mine in November of 2021. I just got my UPS tracking number today. It is supposed to be here Monday…
@@PeeksPeakHobbyHomestead Cool...good luck with it. I was able to get the 205DS and a Warfox pilot arc plasma cutter for less than what the MP200 would have cost me, and without the wait. So far, both are working flawlessly.
You sir are golden, I was so close to order one.
Damn nice honest reviews, Thanks!👍👍👍👍👍
I had this backed on kickstarter super early 50% off and cancelled it because I wanted more people to test it out, all I really want is a decent stick/tig machine instead of a jack of all trades machine. Your videos make me think I did the right thing and will just wait to pick up a second hand Lincoln or something.
You can TIG with a stick welder, it's probably the cheapest way to go.
That's the plan, doing night classes for stick just now will see how that goes.
Yup, I got rid of the first yes welder 205DS I had, actually 3 I sent 2 units back and gave up on the last. They all had several very odd issues. I went and bought a harbor titanium mig welder and didn't have to even think about quality issues it welded that well. So good I went out and got a HFT Tig welder too and same results welded very good too.
I reviewed a Vulcan welder from HF years ago. I ended up selling that welder to my cousin for use around his farm. He was just telling me the other day that he still uses the heck out of it and loves it. Never a problem.
Not to mention man, any problems, literally any and harbour fright will stand behind their product and you, their valuable customer and help you. Unlike this full of shit Chinese company preying on newbies who jumped on the train. Heck even Hitbox is a much better more honest and reliable company, they are actually really good. Herocut is a good Chinese company when it comes to plasma cutters, that’s all they do and they make the finest nicest cut50s and up, even CNC plasma table worthy plasma cutters up to like 80 True amps off three phase power.
I ended up buying an old Thunderbolt AC 225. It's a rebadged version for a regional hardware store that's now gone.
Kinda funny, it's red like a Lincoln.. Still have to install a breaker and all the wiring but happy to own it, doubt I'd feel the same with one of these.
I bought one of the Kickstarter machines. The first one came non functional on the MIG setting. I took the machine apart and found the connector for the MIG torch was completely wired wrong. I only knew it was wrong because of the video a guy posted adding a spool gun. They did finally send a replacement and the MIG function does work, but after watching your video it bums me out that the specs aren’t correct and completely false. Luckily I’m just a hobbyist but as you said it isn’t cheap. Plus all the cash I spent on other needed essentials to use it.
Try not to get down about it. You got yours working, so that's good. Fix something or build something cool and have fun! I'm not looking to make people disappointed with what they have. I just want companies to improve and be honest. And I want to help people to know what to expect when they are considering spending their money. Cheers!
Thank you. Don't think I will give them my money . Hard to find honesty know days.
what a great review. thanks man for covering this. i agree companies should be honest end of story.
I wonder what the actual specs would be on their 250 pro
Well done
Watching your video has me really inspired cuz I almost bought a yes welder a 250 pro AC/DC machine I almost bought one instead I bought primeweld Tig 225x and now I have it with the water cooler and a CK flex lock 2:30 torch. If possible would like you to see if you could get your hands on a primewald TIG 225x and run it through the paces to see if it holds water with all the praises on it. I think it's a great TIG welder and works real good but would like to hear your opinion on this machine. And I can definitely say the customer service at primeweld is definitely spot on anytime I had a question or a problem gean at primewell always got back to me to answer the question and take care of the problem.
Prime weld is solid, tons of other reviews you can watch they are one of the good Chinese companies actually doing the work to make a reputable brand in the industry. AHP is good too, for cheaper machines check out Hitbox Welders and Herocut Plasma cutters , both are good company’s that don’t lie and stick to their word, as well as make some killer shit for the price. For ex, herocut only makes plasmacutters, that’s their main focus I think they made one multiprocess machine and that’s it, maybe they have more out now but they focus on plasma and make awesome solid units that output honest amps and duty cycle, as well as use good components and accessories like the torch etc. Hitbox, same thing but they make welders mostly. If I was to buy a welder and do it all over again , I would start with these two and work my way into a Canaweld, Esab, Fronious or CEA, Or Kemppi . Kemppi and fronious , Esab and CEA are my top , Canaweld as well but the best part about them is their quality and pricing, made in Canada and utmost best quality, service etc. I am waiting on a Mig Stick 202 which has a crazy 170 amp 100% duty cycle at 40 degree Celsius, 190 amp 60% at 40 degrees Celsius and 200 amps at 35% , as well as a AC DC pulse TIG . The mig stick was 1800 CAD after tax , including INSURED shipping, and the Tig was $2300 . Awesome local brand that everyone here values and adores, they are canadain treasure
@@smokefentanyl I definitely been having my eyes on the can of welds I watch Dusty at Pacific arc welding and I kind of like that 201 I think he has but it's a TIG machine I already got my chineseium susemse mig-255 for my multiprocess and I got a primeweld tig 225x with the maxcool 3000 water cooler and a CK flexloc 230 I put six to eight hard hours on the machine every day and it works like a charm takes a beating and keeps on ticking.
Go for it. I am in a pissing contest with them over the Cut 55DS. I received it new in box Saturday. It has an obviously faulty air solenoid. After much back and forth they offer refund if I pay shipping! I bought it based on many favorable reviews now realizing most were sponsored by YesWelder. Pretty sad.
I got mine at half off in the Kickstarter. It's my first welder. I use almost solely flux core at the moment. I've definitely found that the selected thicknesses are WAY off. For two pieces of 1/8in butted at a 90 degree angle, I have to set it to 1/4 inch to get any weld penetration at all. I'd think I'd be looking at burn-through at that point, but nope, just barely welds.
One question I've been completely unable to find an answer to is: what is the cheapest air compressor that will get me cutting 1/4in mild steel with the plasma cutter on this thing? Their official specs list a pressure and CFM that seem absolutely outlandish for any shop compressor under $1400. Is that right, or is it just another case of their docs being incorrect?
In the end, I'm glad I have the machine, and it welds what I need it to, but I'd be very upset if I had bought it at full price with the issues it has.
I haven't looked at their recommended air compressor specs in a while, but my compressor isn't anything big or special, and it worked. It's not a super cheap compressor, but it's just a portable compressor. It's a Makita, 4.2 gallon compressor rated at 4.2 CFM at 90PSI. It will not cut continuously. I set the output pressure at whatever I want for cut pressure and the tank fills to around 120 PSI. The pump doesn't quite keep up, so as soon as I start cutting, that 120 PSI in the tank starts to drop. Eventually, the actual output pressure starts to drop and before long I'll have to stop cutting and let the tank refill.
My compressor is fine for relatively short cuts. For bigger projects I have to wait for the pressure to build back up every so often, but that's not a big deal for me. So you can definitely get away with a small-ish compressor.
At this time in my welding life, I don’t need a fancy big welder from a big box company, blue/red boys. But I was thinking about this welder. But the fact I can get a MiG 205ds and get the same performance, why would I buy this? Awesome review, thank you
What machines do you think weld dual shield better? I have a Lincoln power mig 180c.. you have been the best reviewer I have seen yet!!!! And it’s great to see somebody who actually knows what they are talking about. So many reviewers are clueless. They do videos and they have never even ever stick welder lmao!!! Keep up the great videos!! I’m actually looking at getting a multi process machine but I’d like to be able to do aluminum tig and mig. I’ve been a fitter for about 35 years now and I’m use too using 575v machines but I’m retiring early and plan on doing stuff in my small shop just to keep busy and earn some tax free cash lol.
Thanks for the kind words. Funny you should ask about dual shield. I have been comparing this Yeswelder and two other multi-process welders. I haven't run dual shield wire in any of them yet, but I plan to test flux core and dual shield on all of them in an upcoming video.
@@bigtb1717 I’m actually just online trying to find a 10lb spool of dual but everything keeps coming up inner shield gas less and that’s not what I want lol. I just want to see if it burns hotter and bites better than hard wire. I use dw50 at work for mild and dw308 and dw316 for stainless. And I’m trying too figure out what my home machine can burn better for penetration.
If you are looking for a single machine that will do MIG and AC TIG there aren't a ton of options. ESAB and Miller both have machines. I don't have experience with either one.
I really like the way Lincoln Outershield (dual shield) runs. it is a bit difficult to find in 10lb. spools and it's a bit pricy. My local welding shop can order it in within a few days. I think I paid something like $75 for a 10 pound spool recently so I could test it in the multi-process machines. ED026804 is the part number for 0.035" and ED020836 is the part number for a 10 pound spool of 0.045".
@@bigtb1717 thanks for the info. Next time the welding supplier comes in I will ask him about it. Take care and cheers from Canada!!!
Hi, I’m looking for a multi process welder, almost pulled the trigger on this one, I wander if should I reconsider the Omni pro 220 for it is in the same price range. BTW thanks for the video
I've never tested the Omni Pro, but I was pretty unimpressed by pretty much all aspects of the MP200.
I have tested the MIGMAX 215 and welds far nicer than the Yeswelder. I eventually sold it to my cousin who has been using it around his farm for years and it still works well.
Thank you!
I was about to back their current 7 in one welder with 100% duty cycle. But now I know they are kind of ripping people off.
But I really want a good multiprocess welder. What would you recommend?
What is your budget?
@@bigtb1717 budget is less important. I usually try to buy where my dollar goes the furthest in getting good quality.
I typically find it in the middle. Not the cheapest, but not the top of line name brand either.
Eg: good costs 1k, super good cost 2k, and a little better than super good costs 3k.
I would go for the middle 2k super good unit.
Every time I look into welders with the mindset of what I'd most want in a particular category, I almost always end up liking the Miller or Fronius. Fronius are pretty expensive but these days Miller ranges from really expensive to just crazy. Their Multimatic 235 was fairly reasonable when it first released at $2,000, but it has since crept up to almost $2,800 and that doesn't include any TIG accessories. In that range, the Fronius Transteel 2200 is a bit more full-featured for the price (well particularly in regards to being dual voltage, which the MM235 is not). But the Fronius is a bit annoying with the proprietary TIG and MIG connections.
What processes do you need and which are the most important? Many multi-process welders focus on one or another. It's a shame the Lincoln Power MIG 210MP has gone up quite a bit recently as well. It used to be a pretty reasonably priced multi-process option that had a decent reputation for performance and reliability from what I've read.
As for lower priced options, there is a Hobart multi-process machine for around $1,300, but I don't now about its performance or reliability. There are a few Everlast options. They have wildly mixed opinions online. Some rave about the performance and value, others have anecdotal horror stories about failures and customer service issues.
I had Amazon delete one of my reviews when I bought one of the "too cheap to be real" angle grinders and it caught fire on me lol. I guess they disputed it after I sent it back. Should have got a video of it, was wild, didn't even know it was possible.
Yeah, a power tool catching fire in your hand isn't what you want, lol.
What other options do you recommend
I've long wondered about the consistency and reliability of power output and performance of these multifunction machines, especially when one of the functions is a plasma cutter. I am still green at welding and fabrication, but would still much rather keep my welding separate from my cutting if it's not oxy.
Thank you for this! Was gonna get the 205DS and saw the MP200, and thought based on their marketing, that it would be a superior machine. I’ll still get the 205DS as for the prices they are now, I’m ok with a throwaway multiprocess unit. But I’d rather throw away a couple hundred bucks over a thousand! Super thankful for this review!
I have purchased the MP200 and since I am a new welder I'm not familiar with all the specs. What I do know is it has weld everything I needed it to. Mig or Tig worked just fine for me. I never used a plasma cutter so when I used it I was impressed with what it could do. No where else have I found a unit that could do it all in one machine. Being new I was not a sure of the settings I needed to use. This sets it for you with the ability to change the settings and store the settings for future use.
Overall welding capabilities outweigh specs in a manual.
Good video
I weld for a living and I run miller xmt 304 and lincoln 350 pro invertec and 180 pro mig but I have a AHP alpha tiger 205 ds and would be curious about a review on one of those I occasionally use it in the shop for. Tacking and so on its portable I wouldn't say light but says 120 amps on 110 power and never trips the 20 amp breaker except when stick welding
Say what would you say is the best value for a beginner Flux core user? I'd like to stay under 300. I bought the HF flux 135 (for $170) didn't open it yet and thinking of returning it. I think it would be beneficial to buy one that will give me an option to use gas in the future. 110V is a must option. (even though i can connect to a 220)
The Titanium Flux 125 from Harbor Freight is a good value. 120V only and no option to use gas, but for a beginner flux core machine, it's pretty decent.
Does this apply to all their machines? Was looking into their plasma cutter, 65DS
I've tested a handful of their machines and most of them have had discrepancies between the specs and the actual output. However, I haven't tested any of their plasma cutters and it's also possible that they've gotten better. It's possible that some of their newer machines are better. I haven't tested any of their machines since the YWA 160.
Another thing to consider: I think it is clear that the duty cycle ratings are not based on anything real or any actual testing. They are completely fabricated. Consider that they have a duty cycle percentage listed for stick welding at 200 amps. The machine cannot physically do that. So what are the rest of the percentages based on? My guess: Nothing.
Can you put the duty cycle to test, check max amps, show where you tested the voltage. Thanks.
@@morenothing4u I tested the voltage at the terminals above the drive system. That is where I connected my test leads.
As for max amps, are you talking about max amp draw or max output amps? I have tested max amp draw on 120V in my videos so far, but I haven't tested it yet on 240V. I can do that if you'd like.
As for output amps, in this video I tested max amp output when stick welding. In my last video I tested max amp output while MIG welding.
In part three I'll test plasma cutting and TIG welding and I'll be testing the max amperage output in both of those modes as well.
Has Yes Welder done anything to make this welder put out what it claims, sense this review? If not, Thanks a 1000 for the video, becuase that's how much money you saved me. Was about to buy one but now I'm reluctant.
Unfortunately, my reviews are often a sample size of one. So I can't definitively say, one way or the other. However, I doubt they have made any design changes since release. I have tested several of their welders and failing to meet the claimed specs is the norm, rather than the exception. I'll soon be testing a couple of their newer welders and hopefully this trend changes, but we'll see.
Thanks for your review. I think Yeswelder, at the end of the day, is stuck competing at a price point where they need to match the crazy claimed output figures of the other Chinese welders on Amazon. When you get a tiny $70 welder from some no-name company advertising 200 Amps, most people who aren't knowledgeable will reflexively buy those rather than a welder that costs several times as much and advertises true specs. Think LED flashlights, 18650 batteries, etc etc. It's all very sad.
I agree. The online marketplaces (and even some physical stores) are being flooded with cheap products, in every sense of the word. I've got nothing against someone spending less if they don't need something fancy or industrial quality. Quite frankly, Miller, Lincoln, ESAB, etc. are getting stupid expensive. But we're getting a flood of products (as you say, not just welders but everything from kitchen products, outdoor products, cameras, furniture...) where the seller seems only concerned with being able to advertise the cheapest price in order to get the sale, and to heck with quality, reliability, durability, honest claims, having the actual features claimed, or in some cases, even working at all. Sometimes it's frustrating trying to even find something that ISN'T a cheap piece of junk. There are times when a situation calls for a product that won't give a bunch of problems and will hold up well. In that case I'm willing to pay more to get quality, but it's sometimes nearly impossible to find an option that isn't cheap junk.
Fully agree. People on Amazon are mostly concerned about price, which is not a problem in and of itself. It does, however, attract a buyer that is not in the market for a professional machine. When you have to market to that segment, you almost have to fudge the numbers to make a sale. Maybe Yeswelder is currently in a situation where their machines are better than some of the bottom-of-the-barrel stuff (they are at least trying to innovate), but they can't charge enough to set themselves completely apart from the other cheap stuff.
Let's not forget that Yeswelder is a Chinese company. Unfortunately, Chinese culture only values success and honesty is not a consideration. I wouldn't doubt if the people here in the US care about your opinion but their hands are tied by corporate.
As for me: I'm in the market for a cheap stick welder and it still sounds like the YWA160 is a good machine to go with for the very limited use it'll see from me (I'm an electrical engineer). At least the current adjustment is accurate. I wish someone reviewed cheap plasma cutters the way you review these welding machines. I completely neglected to thank you for your data-driven analysis of these machines, which is all that really matters to someone like me!
It's going to be very interesting to see the response from Yeswelder to the this video. Please let us know if they respond. By the way where is Yeswelder, this Kickstarter group, located?
Yeswelder is based in China, as far as I can tell. They have a US mailing address, but it's just a rented mailing address at a company that offers that service to other companies.
This is the brave new world we live in. All the "budget" welding machines on the market have the same issues. They built around the cheapest Chinese OEM half-bridge toroidal transformer topology with not so sophisticated feedback loop. Basically, none of them match the amperage advertised on it. Furthermore, they don't lay a good weld thanks to the crappy tuned feedback.
P.S. Incorrect data tags on the factory. LOL )))))
I'm getting sick of Yeswelder pushing so hard to make themselves seem like a mainstream, big name welding company while still straight-up lying about the output their welders can achieve.
How many units have you tested? Being in quality control, I've found that one sample is never enough.
I understand that most of my reviews are based on a sample size of one. I do try to get a second machine wherever possible if I find an issue that seems to clearly be a defect, or I at least point out that it could just be a defect or sample variation. However, at this point I've tested the Yeswelder MP200, two MIG 205DS units, one ARC 205DS and their ARC 400Q. All but the ARC 400Q say they are capable of 200 or 205 amps when stick welding but top out at 160. The ARC 400Q puts out half what the display shows when running on 240V, single phase and tops out at 200 amps, not 400. I do not have access to three phase power to see if it would actually provide the claimed 400 amps from three phase power.
Four Yeswelder models, five separate machines and not one of them meets the claimed specs. Not to mention that The MP200, ARC 205DS and MIG205DS all put out the same 160 amps of stick welding current, while claiming 200. At this point if I found a Yeswelder that could do what it claimed, THAT would seem like quality control variation, lol. And as I've said before, 160 amps of stick output may be enough for most people and may still be okay for the money. All the more reason they should just rate the machines accurately.
Keep in mind, this failure to meet the claimed output and drastic variation from what is shown on the display is extremely common with cheap, generic welders. I've tested a lot of generic welders at this point and this is a common enough problem that I don't believe it's a mere QA issue.
One good sample doesn't prove there are no issues, but a single bad sample means there was at least one bad sample. It's just a matter of whether it's one bad unit slipping through, or whether it's an endemic problem. At this point, I'm confident it's not a one-off.
@@bigtb1717 I have 3-phase power at my home and use several 3-phase welders via a 30HP RPC. If you want me to test out the Arc400Q I could, but as you can likely imagine, it won't put out what they advertise. Let me know. Great videos by the way.
@@zod-engineering-welding Thanks for the offer! If I still had it, I'd be sending it your way for sure. Unfortunately, I actually just got rid of it a week or two ago. It was pretty big and I don't have a lot of space in my garage. I actually looked into a couple different ways to get 3 phase, but it just comes up so infrequently that I would have use for it, so I decided it wasn't worth it.
Also, I suspect it's more about voltage than three phase with the 400Q. The way the rectifier is set up, the controls of the welder couldn't differentiate between single and three phase input. So if it does ever switch to a higher output, I bet it's somewhere above 300V input, rather than three phase. Still, could have been an interesting test.
@@bigtb1717 I don't doubt you one bit with regards to the rectifier. In any event, I have 3-phase 240V, 400V, 480V, and 600V (up to ~30HP worth) at my home shop in case you ever wanna send any welder testing my way I'd be happy to take on that part. Pretty crazy, eh? :)
I understand the frustration with false advertising, cheap stingers, cheap ground clamps etc. etc. but you must remember these are hobby machines marked to "hobby welders" and "DIY guys" building weekend projects in their garage. As a hobby welder I ask myself these two questions when considering purchasing one of these "budget" machines. Can I afford the machine? Will it do what I need it to do? If the answer to those two questions is "yes" then I'm a happy customer because it has met my needs. If not, then I either don't purchase the machine or I return it and try something else. Discrepancies with the specs, performance and documentation is just par for the course and expected at this price point. (unfortunately) Just like the saying goes "you get what you pay for". Purchasing a hobby welding machine is a perfectly good example of why that phrase exists. If I'm not ok with the downsides of a budget welding machine then I need to be prepared to pay 4 to 5 times the price to get a machine that I can be happy with. For a lot of hobby folks (myself included) purchasing a reputable brand name welding machine for hobby welding and weekend projects is not an option. I'm just happy these affordable machines exist even with all the discrepancies and downfalls because without them, I wouldn't be able to afford this great hobby.
Please don't think I'm trying to discredit your video or your findings. I really like what you do in these videos and it's "eye opening" information that I think is good to know. My comment is only my personal opinion from my personal viewpoint on this subject. We all have different opinions and viewpoints based on our own personal needs.
Keep doing what you do and I'll keep trying to learn how to glue metal together with electricity! LOL Have a great week!
I understand where you are coming from. And I agree that less than stellar build quality, a lack of high-end features, cheap accessories and lower output and duty cycle are to be expected with a cheaper, "budget" machine. And I have no problem at all with someone being satisfied with any product. If the welder meets someone's needs and they are happy with it, that's great.
But I respectfully disagree that we should expect or allow inaccurate specs and inaccurate info on data tags to become par for the course with a company like Yeswelder, who is trying to position themselves as a big name in welding. I understand that if I buy a generic welder off Amazon or eBay and it has incorrect specs, that shouldn't be surprising. Many of these "companies" don't care and don't have any accountability, so that kind of thing is going to happen. I still don't like it, but it is what it is. But Yeswelder is really pushing hard to present themselves as something else, something better, something more legitimate.
I see two possibilities. The first option is that people would buy the machine anyway if Yeswelder was just honest about the fact that stick output was 160 amps max and they would appreciate the display more closely matching output. In that case, just be honest! You have nothing to lose. The other option is that people wouldn't be willing to purchase the machine based on the value it represented if they were honest about the output, in which case they are actively, deliberately defrauding customers and are misrepresenting their machine and its capabilities to any agency they happen to be using to verify safety and regulatory compliance (which I doubt they are doing anyway). Either way, I don't think we should allow a company to grow and become massively successful off the back of false advertising that they absolutely do not seem willing to fix.
@@bigtb1717 Fair enough and you make some good points. I don't know anything about the way Chinese businesses work or what rules they have to follow. My gut tells me they do things completely different than any US based business so I just accept that for what it is and move on.
That's totally fine. I have no problem with someone liking Yeswelder machines, being satisfied with the performance and value of Yeswelder machines, or even singing their praises if that's how they feel.
There are plenty of Chinese companies that sell products in the US and who would be called out for blatantly false advertising, inaccurate specs and intentionally deceptive programming of a device to mask these inaccuracies. DJI, Z-Cam, Lenovo, ZTE, Hisense, Oppo, Xiaomi, sE Electronics, etc. Are any of those companies perfect? Surely not. Any company can make mistakes, do shady things, make a poor product, etc. But regardless of the country of operation, I don't believe they should be given a pass to clearly, knowingly, repeatedly and continuously misrepresent, mislabel and deceptively program their products.
Yeswelder took in millions of dollars in funding for the MP200. The MP200 is currently $1,000 on their website. This is not some super cheap machine. $1,000 is a LOT of money.
Yeswelder is pushing their brand all over the place. the hashtag "why we weld" thing is all over the internet and even in my email box. This is a company who, in their words, is a passionate about welding with a love for the industry and is making high-quality, state-of-the art, safe, high-performance equipment. But at the same time, they are releasing welders that haven't been submitted to any safety or regulatory agency for any kind of testing or certification. Yet they print those agency certification codes on every one of their completely inaccurate data tags. With the welders that actually include manuals, those manuals are full if inaccuracies and misinformation. The machines themselves are very often not capable of what they claim and are often programmed so the display makes it LOOK like they are.
I just think that if they are going to advertise that they actually care about their customers, care about quality, care about the industry and are committed to improving and becoming part of the welding community, then they should absolutely be held accountable for their blatant disregard for honest advertising and blatant misrepresentation of specs and performance.
I pretty much feel the same way, very well expressed.
Great review filled with legit information, sure wish more were like this.
Glad I didn't buy one,I appreciate your un biased reviews sir.
I reached out to YesWelder to provide me with some alignment detail & firmware upgrades (if that was possible) to correct for these issues but was told basically no.. Why would they design something without adjustments built into the software? Why wouldn't they be open with they're design, schematics etc. Not like anyone is going to bother copying this machine.. Frustrates me...
i'd tell you no too.
go pound sand.
I'm not sure why you feel this way@@gerardjones7881? Do you not think Its frustrating not having the option to "user service" if you have the skills?. Assuming you have a MP200 or any other device, what will you do when it goes wrong?
Yea I got mine off kickstarteer. I'm not super impressed. Wish I had waited
Time stamp says this is 2 years old.... wondering if anything has changed?
Do you mean with this machine in particular, or with Yeswelder overall? I haven't tried another of this particular machine, so I can't say if they updated it in any way. Yeswelder does at least claim a warranty on their site now, though I don't know if they have any details in writing anywhere. Their CT2050 machine came out after this one and had some issues as well.
They seem willing to correct some issues, though they went years without correcting known issues with some machines. Known meaning, they knew about it because I told them and they even called me and chatted about it. But to be fair, I haven't tried any of their machines for a little while. It's possible they have continued to try to improve. Maybe it's about time I check out another. We'll see.
The channel "Project Farm" actually tested a YesWelder among others approximately 9 months ago and he showed that it was outputting only ~70% of stated amps, compared to Lincoln electric which was outputting 99% of stated current. After watching that and your channel it seems to be the manufactures are using the same components to regulate the output. They probably haven't changed those components in the last 9 months.
It is interesting to see this yeswelder reviewed tho because everyone who seems to try it is surprised at its duty cycle and performance. Your complaint is the only legitimate down side I can find with the machine.
Wow I have an older millermatic 250 and was looking for a small portable mig/plasma cutter. This won't be the one. Great price but just listening to it run gives me chills. Do you have any idea for a machine in this price range?
There really aren't a lot of options for MIG and plasma cutter combined machines. You might be better off getting two separate machines. Are you looking for a 120V machine, or dual voltage?
Need to have ac/dc tig with pedal and spool gun then it would be the ultimate diy machine.
You can buy a miller 215 that does everything but plasma for $1800/2k
If you leave out the plasma cutter you can get FAR better machines for $1500-$2500.
And with all that said who would you recommend as a budget welder
I suppose that will depend on your budget and your priorities for what you want from the welder. Unless you really need multi-process, I would recommend you decide which process you will likely use the most and get a decent welder for just that process.
What process most interests you? What is your budget? What would you like to do with the welder?
@@bigtb1717 I need something that can be versatile in the field on 110 that I can throw in my service body.
For that use case, a stick welder or flux core welder would be good. No need for shielding gas (hauling around a gas bottle/tank), wind isn't an issue, etc. On a budget, something like the Titanium Flux 125 from Harbor Freight is a decent option. An ESAB Rogue 130 has power factor correction so it can run well on 120V even with an extension cord or off a generator. It's definitely more expensive though. I haven't tested one yet (it's in my list on Amazon, so maybe some day), but the Weldcote Stryker 140 is $350 on Amazon and supposedly has power factor correction. I can't vouch for the quality, but it could be a good, portable option.
@@bigtb1717 definitely don't need that type of set up. Any particular brand and model? Thx
My comment above has a few suggestions. Is there a particular price you want to stay within?
Update.. after 2 weeks and an email a day the only help I got was a picture of a finger pointing at a connector to check... When I asked them what to check with a meter or am I just verifying it was plugged in they replied "we have reviewed the video you sent us again and it's broken and can't be repaired, sorry.". Basically they just want to string you along until you get tired and give up. So now I have a paperweight.
Sorry to hear that. They won't offer to replace it or anything?
@@bigtb1717 No, I'm outside the warranty... But only like 30 min use in 1.5 yrs... Should last longer than that. I hoped for some help getting it up and running, like any help at all! I think their business model is to buy em cheap from China or wherever, slap logo on and charge double what their cost is... That way they can make their one year warranty work as they seem to only replace not repair.... On the surface that sounds great but I've heard others say it's difficult to get them to actually fulfill their warranty obligations without a lot of follow up! Also they won't post my review up on their website so I know that they screen what reviews they put on their website to create the illusion of only satisfied customers.
I had two reviews on their website that weren't even terrible, just honest. Both gone. Most of their machines don't even have a warranty listed. Their advertising talks a really big game, but they don't seem to back it up.
@@bigtb1717 Yeah.. they have good marketing and I love a value purchase... I just want to get the word out so people know what they are getting into. Some people don't have money to throw away.. It seems like they just hide or drown out the real reviews with marketing tactics like pretty welds and likely paid reviews.
@@jonrnas If you bought it with a credit card, you might be able to get a refund using the credit cards benefits which extend manufacturer's warranty.
You will not see the MP200 "hot start" on a clamp meter as it executes over approx 100mS..
Right
6010 rod runs best on AC welder you have a Inverter welder DCEN welder that does not run 6010 rod super goid but does 6013 good.
I actually ran DCEP. Most 6010 rods are rated to run on DCEP and I have some inverters that run 6010 well on DCEP. I've never tried running 6010 rods on AC. Could be fun to test and compare DCEP vs. AC with 6010 rods.
If you ever do a in depth review on the Synergic Hitbox Pro and or the Amico Manual Mig 200 I would greatly appreciate it! Something portable 120v and also 220v for thicker materials. I am disappointed with both my MP200 :( I need something reliable and not so expensive like those 2 welders listed. Its difficult to trust this Chinese manufacturers with the overblown specs and duty cycles! Basically more lies and lies.
In case you didn't see it, I just uploaded a video comparing this welder to a Hitbox Synergic MIG Pro 200, as well as a Fronius Transsteel. I do plan to make more videos with all three and will probably do a full review of the Hitbox at some point.
@@bigtb1717 YOUR AWESOME!! !!!!!!! Please don't forget the Amico 200 Multi mig manual if you can..
@@bigtb1717 Awesome reviews! Please do more. Much better in depth than others! No skipping steps! 5 Stars!
70xx 240v 1/8 7014 EP
Accuracy of clamp meter claim to be +- 2.5%+5
Display. Measured
110 96
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I think it was an ok deal at the early kickstarter price 584 in 2021. It's 2024 there are more options.
It looks like those are results from your own testing that you are sharing, right? Thanks for sharing. It's always nice to have more data points. Once in a while, I will test a second of the same machines, but the majority of the time, I'm only looking at a "sample size" of one unit.
Yeah, it was certainly an easier machine to justify at the $500-ish price than $1,000. For me, the main issue is the fact that they publish false specs, program the machine to display incorrect readings, and refuse to fix it. It's like the $100 (or even sub-$100) welders that advertise 250 amps and only put out 130-ish. A 130 amp stick welder is pretty capable, especially for $100 or less. Why lie?
I guess I'm just at a point where, after seeing it in so many products (not just welders), I'm no longer willing to find it "acceptable" for companies to lie, simply because their products are "cheap." Maybe Yeswelder isn't even intentionally lying. Maybe the manufacturer who is building these things for them is shafting them. But if that's the case, Yeswelder should be just as upset (if not more so), than their customers.
@bigtb1717 If you ever been to the back streets of Kowloon in Hong Kong where they pedal off brand electronics to people you would understand. My experience is from the late 90s early 2000s. Doubt it has changed much. I highly doubt Yeswelder is making their own machines. They are probably using an oem subcontracter's design and rebadging. It be interesting if someone tested their 2024 model of the mp200.
Literally have this in my cart right now but definitely not gonna buy it , I'll try an everlast this time I think .
All the buyers should Form Class action lawsuit against them. If they don't want to correct the problem then there name will get tarnished..
I am no pro. But None of my other welders run like crap on .035 solid core wire @ 220v welding 14 gauge steel. I feel very disappointed with this welder with all the hype. Other users say I am crazy being too picky. When I weld not only i rely on the gauge reading settings you kinda can have a feel to the sound of the weld as it arcs to know you have the right settings. I cant explain it. My gut feeling this welder is underpowered weld like crap and u have to mess alot with the settings. Like i said its a gut feeling when i weld it only happens with this model. If this welder was fully and accurately measured and tested I believe it will fail sadly .
,If You can Aluminum Weld , MIG OR TIG With this Machine I Will ORDER ONE !! THX BEN V.
TIG is DC only, scratch start and no foot pedal or other remote amperage control. It's not designed for aluminum TIG and is basically worst-case scenario for aluminum TIG.
As for MIG, it doesn't support a spool gun out of the box. You might be able to get aluminum wire to feed through the gun or get an aluminum capable MIG gun, but it's really not designed for aluminum MIG either.
BEWARE: YesWelder will not service or support anything not purchased through their official YesWelder stores. If you need a part and don't have an approved purchase invoice, they will not support it. No parts are available on their website. THESE ARE DISPOSABLE UNITS.
Rebranded junk! Lookup Keygree welders. Can be had for 150-200 all day online. This one is a rebranded Keygree 250 as far as I can see. I have a error 1 code on display. Units only been used for 30 min since ai bought it...They said out of warranty nothing they can do.. which I get.. however they also would not allow me to talk to support direct, only a call center. They also blocked my email when I tried to ask them about what part needs replacing or what error code meant... Buyer beware. Hope my incident was a fluke. Really liked the welder when it worked but feeling a bit hung out to dry.
Didn't the data tag say you needed to give it 45 amps at 120v to fully get that 160 amp. I was able to get displayed 110 amps, 100 amps measured on a 7014 1/8 rod with a dedicated 15 amp outlet, one foot from the breaker. If I long arc it it would trip. There is hot start it was measured 135 amps. Haven't tried any more measurements, not till I get my weld fume exhaust setup. I used a $30 amazon clamp on DC amp meter, take that for what it's worth.
I would think they are in it for the money, somebody else is putting them up to this.. I will stick with my Esab/Fronius/HTP/ welders, they do what they say and then some, yes they cost a lot more ,but they are so much better. I have seen other UA-camrs go at great lengths as to how good yeswelders are , you can tell that they have sold out to inferior equipment.
I saw one guy do as you did and call them out on how bad his MS205 was, he was not impressed, at least he was a not corporate sell out.Yeswelder is banking on advertising hype to sell, just like all the other charlatans out there. Remember there is a sucker born every minute, don't be one.
On Yeswelder's UA-cam channel they now have a couple instructional videos. They didn't produce the videos, they are made by other UA-cam creators. In the setup video the guy went on about how the machine is smart and will choose the amperage and voltage for you automatically if you pick the thickness you are welding, but I could clearly see on the screen that he had the voltage adjusted down 1.4V from the auto setting. He didn't mention that, lol.
And you know what, if someone is "in it for the money" that's fine. It's not like an actor General Motors hires to be in one of their commercials is going to point out things they DON'T like about the car. In the same way, I wouldn't expect that guy, on Yeswelder's channel, to say anything negative about the welder.
But if General Motors' latest V8 engine was found to actually be a 6 cylinder with two completely fake cylinders, I would call them out. Especially since they didn't just advertise is wrong, they went through the trouble of adding fake cylinders to further the lie.
In the same way, Yeswelder didn't just say this would be a "200 amp" machine and that it would run 6010. They specifically programmed the display to go to 200 amps and printed data tags that show duty cycles at 200 amps. And they put a 6010 mode in the settings. They can no longer claim they are at the mercy of whatever the factory gives them. Yeswelder are knowingly lying at this point. Maybe the stick output is a small thing. Maybe people think I'm making too big of a deal about this. But thousands of people have spent millions of dollars on a kickstarter campaign for this machine. It's not just a matter of "sorry folks, turns out it's only 160 amps when stick welding. We had to pack a lot in here and we still think it's going to do everything you need." Nope, none of that. It's just lies and deceptive programming to make you think it can do something it cannot.
If someone likes this welder or talks it up, fine. That's their prerogative. Yeswelder, in my opinion, are the ones who need to be held to account.
@@bigtb1717 I agree with you totally
False advertising will make them lose all their customers
Hey TB, check out this new video where Lund tests out a $300 Vevo Chinese welder that supposedly puts out 270 amps with miniature DK35 50 amp connectors!!! 😂😆😂😆 I wonder why he is giving it away.. 😆 jump to 20 minutes in to see the results. He uses his YesWelder 250 amp pro Mig gun that he doubts can hold all that power. ua-cam.com/video/USuWbM-Y1WI/v-deo.html
It's a chinese made welder what else would you expect for a product that comes out of China
their mistake was paying you any attention.
they should ignore you.
Don't worry, it sure seems like they have. ;)
Ansi Certified? AWS Certified? ASME? Iscet Certified? Are you? Mpi send me a machine and ill give you a expert opinion.
The simple answer is no, I am not a certified welder.
ISCET: I hold no certificates from the International Society of Certified Electronics Technicians. Their training courses sound interesting though. I may look into it.
ASME (American Society of Mechanical Engineers): They do not certify welders, they certify products. A company could get a welded product, i.e. a welded pressure vessel that they sell, certified by ASME.
ANSI: In what way could an individual become certified by ANSI? I don't know of a way, but I'm no expert in all things ANSI. Do you know a way? My understanding is that they come up with safety and operational standards for various products and processes. A company could certify that a product, process or even a facility meets a particular, published ANSI standard. But again, I'm not an expert in all things ANSI.
AWS: No, I do not have any AWS certifications.
I'm not sure if your last sentence was a statement or a question. Are you asking me to send you a welder? Someone else? Or just stating that if someone DID send you a welder, you could give it an expert evaluation and opinion? Do you believe I got something wrong in my video? I'm happy to correct anything I got wrong.
Just don't buy one save little buy somthing better
THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH!!! I THINK YOU MIGHT'VE JUST ENABLED ME TO DODGE A BULLET