Same exact thing happened at the start of DF with enh. Blizz has something against enh it seems. When was the last time they were top tier?? I can't even remember.
@@PsyloJliterally right now there are enhance shaman at 3100 in 3s. Highest frost mage is like 2800? I’m trying to figure out why enhance is so much worse in tww than now since stormbringer seems solid.
na but foreal bro its insane they cant give us like even normal dmg in pvp we are so nerf our wolfs is nerf ascendance windstrike windfury forceful winds blabla like its crazy
@@LuisLima-p5w imean not really if we talk foreal Shadowland was good , dragonflight s1 s2 before the windfury nerf was good then since then we were fucked
Snupy what about how easy it is to take the most out of a classe, i mean, to someone new at the game trying to decide between Frost and Feral, which one would you say it's easier?
I main Feral but PVE, I rarely do PVP. BUT I want to try it this upcoming tier because I want the Hippo mount. Hope it's S tier because I want the road of least resistance haha Hippo mount is so cool!
I think switch affliction with sp and it would be closer after haunt got buffed 150% and some other things i forget, but its damage is nuts, I don't even know what im doing and did double the damage of the next highest dps in the solo shuffle match i played on the beta - but if im being honest shadow is at the bottom of A tier at the best, or maybe top of B tier - SP is not approaching S tier in my opinion; they are still getting clapped when they go to fight other people in the beta unless its some crazy high xp player
Feral damage get any better at 80? Cuz right now in pvp, I just cant compete with other dps damage at all. Have to pop all cds and have enough energy to do a perfect FB for like 100k while dk or shammy just instantly smacks me for 400k lol
Armor is bugged in pvp right now, no physical dps is anywhere near magic damage. I've had the most success going back to the bleed build with moonfire and adaptive swarm because bleeds ignore armor. Its still a stuggle to kill anyone though because bleeds alone aren't strong enough and 100k bites do nothing.
Enhancement needed a full rework from the ground up and you got nothing. Good tier list though pretty accurate but with so many changes yet to come todays S tier can be tomorrows C tier.
Enhance is so broken in pve that i feel like they dont even know what to do in pvp when the only thing they have to do is to revert all the nerf from before on enhance the wolf nerf the forceful winds nerf stormstrike windstrike ascendance and im pretty sure enhance would be in a decent spot .
Enhance in pve is a pretty well thought out spec. Both storm and elementalist are fine-good so idk what your talking about. Stormbringer is strong for enhance and totemic is kida unplayable but it is what it is just does no damage
@@darkshados9441well, he's clearly talking about PvP. He says that in PvE is fine, but we're carrying many nerfs from previous seasons and expansions and that makes us lackluster. Also, other specs don't really struggle to keep their ofensive and defensive gameplay and have way less button bloat. It works for PvE, but it lacks in PvP.
@Chakafuyo21 you clearly can't read the comment i was replying to because psylo made clear distinctions about pve and it being broken making pvp broken
no way mage frost is above the hunter and ele shaman when they oneshot you in 0.5 seconds they can dispell altertime and instant rang cc even can hit you during cc if u don't have trinket just die in 1 sec
Crazy that shaman players never have all 3 specs viable in PvP but Druid consistently does. That tells me Druid has too much while shaman has too little in its tool kit.
Shadow's last A or mid-low B. Nowhere near S-Tier. Everyone has instants, we do not, our damage is dog shit. We only have very, very small windows of opportunity to cast and with the haste nerf we can barely cast anything during those windows fyi i'm a glad sp and am kicked only a couple times per game, and have precog constantly, even against r1 players. Even if haste is brought back, we need a complete class rework to be brought in line both damage and instant cast wise, with every other class.
I was thinking "is this before the changes or after?"... then I see frost mage in S tier and clearly know that's 100% before the changes. MW Monk is also at least A tier, it's very strong and good, most people simply don't play it because it's too "simple" and therefore less fun for most people. You only see people playing MW Monk when it's "beyond broken" (at least compared to other healers), like BfA S4. With the recent changes MW Monk might be B tier tho because incap got nerfed. But definitely not C tier.
Snupy bro, if you think SP is S tier we got a problem. Every other caster can do the same if not way more damage without even casting. While SP is hard casting every single amount of real damage they do. It’s awful. SP is B tier AT BEST
I was about the message the same. I’ve been SP main most of DF but going to play destro lock in the TWW. SP just way to frustrating to play and fed up of just being locked out constantly
Spriest in S tier lol not sure about that one. Spriest is alright for solo rbgs cuz they can cast more freely but they are dogwater in arenas and 1v1s atm on the beta. They have to hardcast all of their damage because the only ability that does any dmg is mind flay insanity and interrupting any of those casts is devastating for them. Also I know you're a feral player but feral in S is also copium af let's be honest bro this tier list ain't accurate at all you just did it for views. People come to these videos wanting accurate advice on what to play and you're just blatantly misleading them smh
Unsubbed as frost mage, I don’t care what anyone says, spamming ice lance and cleaving polymorphs is not the way of the mage. Ice lance spam is bad enough, how are we dropping meteors, living bombs, FFB explodes and frostbomb as frost? Ick! 100% Downgrade from DF. Not fun!
Feral copium bro. While not beginner friendly or brain-dead stupid-simple like DH, ret, or devoker, you're the strongest melee in the game by far. While you need simplifying, your damage needs a nerf to be balanced, as feral is not "good" or "strong" it's imbalanced. Most ferals being dogwater because of the high barrier of both entry and mastery, for those like you who put in the work it is not strong, good, or great, but overpowered.
xvic youtube streamer says feral druid is B Tier at best when the pvp is battleground blitz. is he right or wrong? he laughed at feral being s tiers in bgb
Wrong, all druids specs are incredible in blitz. They can solo cap any base, stealth - stun - [user trinker] - cyclone - cap flag and defend. Also they're tied with DH for best flag carriers. If all you intend to do in blitz is pad damage in team fights, I would suggest a different class for ease of use as balance & feral take more effort to be effective in that category.
Why is blizzard not able to give enhancement a decent spot?
Cause only comp it runs is just holding w with another melee that shreds and its just not fun.
we need doomwinds spam back looooooooool
Can’t wait to see Venruki put all mage specs in B Tier, and put the Ele Shaman in S Tier, since it’s the only counter to his main…
hunters counter mages hard af
Your constancy have no equal, Snupy. Subscribed.
Enha used to be good on the beta but then they absolutely gutttttted our dmg
Same exact thing happened at the start of DF with enh. Blizz has something against enh it seems. When was the last time they were top tier?? I can't even remember.
@@PsyloJduring Df?!?! They were cracked a few times in df
@@PsyloJliterally right now there are enhance shaman at 3100 in 3s. Highest frost mage is like 2800? I’m trying to figure out why enhance is so much worse in tww than now since stormbringer seems solid.
Cries in enhance 😂😂
na but foreal bro its insane they cant give us like even normal dmg in pvp we are so nerf our wolfs is nerf ascendance windstrike windfury forceful winds blabla like its crazy
@@Psyko94yea it's actually fucked how shitty they continue to let enhance be
Favorite class in the game has been cucd for so many expansions /:
@@LuisLima-p5w imean not really if we talk foreal Shadowland was good , dragonflight s1 s2 before the windfury nerf was good then since then we were fucked
The melee shaman needs to be its own class. Enhance suffers so much from having to share a class tree with two casters
PoG Vid broski keep it up! :D
Is Unholy really S tier after all the nerfs?
I've done my job by beta testing other melee instead. Time for cat action in 2 weeks 😸
Ret is not A Afte4 the damage nerf. Its high B in avg hands. The self heal brings us jn line with best self full dps classes
paladins are scum
What 3's comp will be best at the start of TWW for feral? Debating on playing either my AFF lock or DK with a feral. Which one would be best?
im planning to come back to pvp in TWW, so you better keep the feral guides coming! you will see me again on your stream soon !
Would it change a lot between 2v2 and 3v3 ?
Lf answer
@@Cedpsn no one plays 2's outside of farming conquest, it's irrelevant
everybody says rdruid is broken in pvp in TWW, so i am confused. Whats the best healer for 2v2 arenas?
Rdruid… rdruid hunter is better then any duo in 2s
@@Eityhdz marksman or survival?
Unless you count Warrior Resto Magnusz
@@meattwinkie6208 i rather run warrior hpal
@@BeowulfGaming survival is pretty good right now but it can be mm.
AYO im in the video - mom get the camera lmao
Praying for Enh buffs 🙏🙏
Since bleeds are back, are we stacking haste now? Energy levels are lower too
Curious to see if SP will get invites.
Finally my main fury war the best melee dps
seems like everyone has different opinions on what's the best spec based on the class that they main
I'm playing Frost mage in TWW and I approve this list
Snupy what about how easy it is to take the most out of a classe, i mean, to someone new at the game trying to decide between Frost and Feral, which one would you say it's easier?
Frost by far my dude, simple rotation and good base survivability with heavy armor & deathstrikes
Feral is one of the hardest specs to play at a decent level in the game. If you want something easy play Fury or Frost or DH
I main Feral but PVE, I rarely do PVP. BUT I want to try it this upcoming tier because I want the Hippo mount. Hope it's S tier because I want the road of least resistance haha Hippo mount is so cool!
Much love from Fiji my good sir!
Everything seems preetty balanced
shadow is soooo whack right now wtf. doing 0 dmg in shuffle. ask stahp or anyone that rly plays the specc :O
They don't die...so over time time they win.
I think switch affliction with sp and it would be closer after haunt got buffed 150% and some other things i forget, but its damage is nuts, I don't even know what im doing and did double the damage of the next highest dps in the solo shuffle match i played on the beta - but if im being honest shadow is at the bottom of A tier at the best, or maybe top of B tier - SP is not approaching S tier in my opinion; they are still getting clapped when they go to fight other people in the beta unless its some crazy high xp player
Feral damage get any better at 80? Cuz right now in pvp, I just cant compete with other dps damage at all. Have to pop all cds and have enough energy to do a perfect FB for like 100k while dk or shammy just instantly smacks me for 400k lol
Armor is bugged in pvp right now, no physical dps is anywhere near magic damage.
I've had the most success going back to the bleed build with moonfire and adaptive swarm because bleeds ignore armor.
Its still a stuggle to kill anyone though because bleeds alone aren't strong enough and 100k bites do nothing.
As a 2700 solo shuffle SP, I can tell you SP is no where near S tier right now. Low B at best.
2700 solo shuffle is like 1800 2s
@@Dzeaz lmao no, 2's is a joke and hasnt been relevant since Cata. 2700 solo is 2200ish in 3's.
Is this for now or when war within comes out?
I would play whatever cause this list could change in the next couple days.
Enhancement needed a full rework from the ground up and you got nothing. Good tier list though pretty accurate but with so many changes yet to come todays S tier can be tomorrows C tier.
The changes are pretty much done until season 1 starts
Enhance is so broken in pve that i feel like they dont even know what to do in pvp when the only thing they have to do is to revert all the nerf from before on enhance the wolf nerf the forceful winds nerf stormstrike windstrike ascendance and im pretty sure enhance would be in a decent spot .
Enhance in pve is a pretty well thought out spec. Both storm and elementalist are fine-good so idk what your talking about. Stormbringer is strong for enhance and totemic is kida unplayable but it is what it is just does no damage
Just nerf the no skill burst
@@darkshados9441well, he's clearly talking about PvP. He says that in PvE is fine, but we're carrying many nerfs from previous seasons and expansions and that makes us lackluster. Also, other specs don't really struggle to keep their ofensive and defensive gameplay and have way less button bloat. It works for PvE, but it lacks in PvP.
@Chakafuyo21 you clearly can't read the comment i was replying to because psylo made clear distinctions about pve and it being broken making pvp broken
@@darkshados9441 we're reading different coments then, because it's not close to what you just said.
Aint noway SP is S-tier
it is
@@Luntrus100 It's really not. It might be decent cuz of the instant cc on diff dr's.. but the damage isn't great atm.
you saw these buffs 13 august? feral will be buffed through the sky. Havoc Eye Beam 100% dmg buff
The average rank for druid is wild!
This is for arena and I agree on that. In blitz its different tho.
disc in A and holy in C? idk about that
no way mage frost is above the hunter and ele shaman when they oneshot you in 0.5 seconds they can dispell altertime and instant rang cc even can hit you during cc if u don't have trinket just die in 1 sec
I agree with you about the DK's. Feral seems to suck imho though. : (
Crazy that shaman players never have all 3 specs viable in PvP but Druid consistently does. That tells me Druid has too much while shaman has too little in its tool kit.
We have a lot in our toolkit, but it's a slighly worse version of other specs utility and way more button bloat (that mostly applies to enhance).
sadge, I am enhance and dk frost main since legion allthough I didnt play those classes couse they are unplayable...
Shadow's last A or mid-low B.
Nowhere near S-Tier.
Everyone has instants, we do not, our damage is dog shit.
We only have very, very small windows of opportunity to cast and
with the haste nerf we can barely cast anything during those windows
fyi i'm a glad sp and am kicked only a couple times per game, and have precog constantly, even against r1 players.
Even if haste is brought back, we need a complete class rework to be brought in line both damage and instant cast wise, with every other class.
I was thinking "is this before the changes or after?"... then I see frost mage in S tier and clearly know that's 100% before the changes.
MW Monk is also at least A tier, it's very strong and good, most people simply don't play it because it's too "simple" and therefore less fun for most people. You only see people playing MW Monk when it's "beyond broken" (at least compared to other healers), like BfA S4. With the recent changes MW Monk might be B tier tho because incap got nerfed. But definitely not C tier.
Lol the top S was my 4 specs to main in tww 2 range and 2 meele I was right I guess 😜
My entire warband is junk. All physical dmg except my Frost DK. I give up lol. Everyone face tanks my warriors and hunter etc..
A lot of people is talking about that shadow priest is S tier. This people have never played (Not just a try) with a shadow priest...
Yeah I doubt it’s s tier. They’re ez to avoid even on my f tier enhance
Snupy bro, if you think SP is S tier we got a problem. Every other caster can do the same if not way more damage without even casting. While SP is hard casting every single amount of real damage they do. It’s awful. SP is B tier AT BEST
I was about the message the same. I’ve been SP main most of DF but going to play destro lock in the TWW. SP just way to frustrating to play and fed up of just being locked out constantly
@@Chiz558dude learn to do fake csst lol
@@dabiun7443nah I wanna just press insta cast and trollololol people in BGs
@@dabiun7443 ok, thanks for the advice. Never thought of that 🤦🏻♂️
@@Chiz558 You welcome , this is what 1400 rated shadowpreist look like i guess
pog vid!
Feral copium.
Lol, monk in A tier is blind and deaf 😂
Spriest in S tier lol not sure about that one. Spriest is alright for solo rbgs cuz they can cast more freely but they are dogwater in arenas and 1v1s atm on the beta. They have to hardcast all of their damage because the only ability that does any dmg is mind flay insanity and interrupting any of those casts is devastating for them. Also I know you're a feral player but feral in S is also copium af let's be honest bro this tier list ain't accurate at all you just did it for views. People come to these videos wanting accurate advice on what to play and you're just blatantly misleading them smh
feral is by far the strongest melee.
Sp? Err
Not a based tierlist. - Seems outdated.
Dh tier B, we dont play at the same game lol
Unsubbed as frost mage, I don’t care what anyone says, spamming ice lance and cleaving polymorphs is not the way of the mage. Ice lance spam is bad enough, how are we dropping meteors, living bombs, FFB explodes and frostbomb as frost? Ick! 100% Downgrade from DF. Not fun!
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Feral copium bro.
While not beginner friendly or brain-dead stupid-simple like DH, ret, or devoker,
you're the strongest melee in the game by far.
While you need simplifying, your damage needs a nerf to be balanced, as
feral is not "good" or "strong" it's imbalanced.
Most ferals being dogwater because of the high barrier of both entry and mastery,
for those like you who put in the work it is not strong, good, or great, but overpowered.
Lol enhan 😂
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meta seem shit af lol when feral and sp and frost is s tier IS GONA BE SO BORING LOL
xvic youtube streamer says feral druid is B Tier at best when the pvp is battleground blitz. is he right or wrong? he laughed at feral being s tiers in bgb
Wrong, all druids specs are incredible in blitz.
They can solo cap any base, stealth - stun - [user trinker] - cyclone - cap flag and defend.
Also they're tied with DH for best flag carriers.
If all you intend to do in blitz is pad damage in team fights, I would suggest a different class for ease of use as balance & feral take more effort to be effective in that category.
Feral is the strongest melee by far, OP is unable to see reality as his main is feral.
Buff DH its F tier
Pally is strongest right now.
1:20 high skill cap*. “Good spec, high skill cap”
Ehhh uuugggh ahhh
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SP people criying because being tanky af already and have 4 cc chain isnt enough 😂😂😂
lol.........oh this is PVP...NO CARES ABOUT PVP TIER LIST.