If you are a super casual player yeah, but if you wanna do anything even remotely higher than that then absolutely no. Even for relatively mid tier content people are gonna want the meta classes in their group and that's a fact. I've been there so many times. Playing the class you enjoy sounds fun but once you start wasting literally hours on queue hoping to get into a group you will understand how painful it is.
If I had done this video, I would have not mentioned Demon Hunter at all until the very end of the video and then went "Oh wait, we forgot Demon Hunter. Well that's ok, so did Blizzard. No harm done."
I suffer from Demon Hunter tankitis. I haven't touched another class since DH came out in Legion because the style of Vengeance tanking was absolutely AMAZING with the sigils, actually being able to CC multiple groups and time your sigils to prevent spells all while ripping souls out and spewing flames from your face.
@@Cabelius I've been playing for the last few days and Demon Hunter seems to be middle of the pack. If you know how to do your rotation you should be fine. I'm leveling a Mage, DK and DH right now and so far my DK is destroying in single boss fights right now without gear. The mage is ridiculous and I think they are going to top all charts. Ice and Arcane are INSANE. You won't be breaking any records but you will be constantly above average but not in the top DPS slots. I think the only they suffer from is lack of raid utility, they get a couple skills but I think DK's will still be the top choice for having the rez, anti magic zone and their DPS is just astounding. I saw a different video and they mentioned if you play a class that you are good with and understand well, you are going to do better than a "meta" class that you are unfamiliar with. I wouldn't worry about trying something new unless you want to. I know I plan on getting a Shaman and hunter up as well. A lot of the hunters I saw were melting bosses. Maybe it was the scaling giving them weird stats but it was crazy.
Same with havoc, which got roughly a third of the rework that the rogues did in DF and unironically fewer design changes than them in this beta (not trying to make it a contest i feel bad for rogues too, just wanted to give context). Also as for the hero trees, saying that aldrachi is a "fun minigame" is a WILDLY unpopular take. That tree is an abomination, and fel-scarred is a glorified aura buff. I wish blizz actually hired more developers so we could all be mages and death knights
Leaning towards Shaman due to how impactful and fresh the hero talents make it feel, particularly Farseer. Priest is a close second solely due to the flavor of Voidreaver. Can’t wait for your “choosing a main” video.
I've been an enhance shaman main since BC and had ups and downs. So might stick to it, especially since the spec shaped up pretty good, although the button bloat is real, wish they would turn a bunch of those into passives like they did with Arcane Mages.
As of this moment I'd probably go Arcane Mage > Augment Evoker > Resto Druid > Enhance Shammy /Survival Hunter. If tanking becomes an option (unlikely as main) would go Brewmaster Monk or Blood DK. Can you see how really really convinced and decided I am? Yea, it's a problem.
Hunter and Warrior have always been my mains, probably just gonna keep playing them, not really feeling any of the other classes. A bit disappointed that neither of them really got many new things or changes tho.
But hey hopefully these changes will help them out performance wise overall . Very few changes stays average to above average for raid and m+ most of the time . But they will be fun absolutely no doubt
I’ll give you a crazy answer, but that’s what I actually do. I have 35 characters detailed in four documents with all the backgrounds, interactions, family trees, age and even if they are alive or not. I choose two group comps, one from the horde and one for the alliance, considering what I think will make more sense with the incoming content. Then I elect which character will drive their and the expansion narrative better and that’s how i choose the one that I’ll start.
@@viisovari4544 This really came out of left field and genuinely surprised me, but my starting character will be my dracthyr. He is the only one in the current comp that has motivation to go, but not stay in all of the regions (the dwarfs will stay at the surface and in riging deeps at the start, the paladin will stay in hallowfall for the most part and the trolls (one is the previous wielder of Xala'tath) will mostly stay in Azj-kahet to fight off the nerubians. But the dracthyr as a researcher of the void and entrusted to recover the darkheart have a narrative reason to navigate through all the zones at the start. After the leveling storyline, considering what happens (I don't have any idea of the story for the zones) I'll reorganize considering how each one of them will react to the incoming content.
As a long term rogue player I feel incredibly disappointed with what Blizz has done to my class. I genuinely have no idea what they are thinking. I play Outlaw, and I had a Shadow Dance based build going, but that's gone now. What am I supposed to build around now? Echoing Reprimand? I have to ask, is there anyone who actually LIKES Echoing Reprimand? I hated it from the second it was introduced in SL. It's a deeply un-fun ability. And it works terribly with Outlaw since I often get more than one combo points from my attacks. Making pinpointing a specific amount of combo points an incredibly finicky task. I will celebrate the day when they finally remove that ability from the game. But instead they remove abilities people like and actually use, like when they removed Marked for Death for no apparent reason. Even our hero talent trees feel lame and poorly thought out. What the hell is "Fatebound"? Was a pirate based hero talent tree really too much to ask for? When they changed Combat to Outlaw in Legion they made a big deal about how this is now the pirate spec and gave us a bunch of pirate based theming. And then they promptly removed basically all of that in BfA, the expansion where we spent a lot of time fighting pirates. Like what was the point in removing Saber Slash and replacing it with Sinister Strike which is just the same ability, minus the pirate theming? And now we have hero talent trees, a system built around "engaging class fantasy", a perfect moment to give us the pirate theming back. And what do we get? "Fatebound". The only fate rogues are bound to right now is the destruction of our class. Rogue is in desperate need of a mid expansion rework. Because as it stands the class has gotten progressively less fun since legion.
@@intenzityd3181 you say that. But, as I said, what do we have now that it's gone? This isn't about less DPS. This is about rotations not being any fun.
@@ElitenOfficial Bro, all three specs are a joke. Blizzard is a joke in regards to rogue. This expansion looks so great but getting forced out of a class because of bad design is just sad. I do not care about dps. Rogues will probably once again rock the boards. But THREE passive hero talent trees is just a joke. Yes they are all passive. Coup de grace is not visually attractive. It is really sad to see them spitting on one of the most thematic classes of WoW. They could have been much more creative.
Maybe try paying the other 2/3 of your class. You know, Protection and Holy. That way if Ret gets nerfed into the ground you don’t feel like quitting the game and saying the entire game sucks
I’ve mained rogue since TBC, so sadly ill be playing that but thanks to warbands I’ll also be able to play my ele sham, frost dk, and either bm hunter or fury warrior.
Resto shaman is my pick. Hearing great things about it all-round, e.g. is extremely effective and satisfying to play, even in challenging content. Also hearing good things about elemental, which means I'll have a very nice dps spec to fall back on when needed.
Timestamps please love the channel watch all you war within general update videos i agree with the majority of your takes i dont want to have to watch another youtuber for class updates because i have to sit through a bunch of info on classes i dont care about
I am so excited about this expansion. Finally, FINALLY the Frost DK has been improved to where it can be viable in raids and Mythic+. I fell in love with it during LK but finding a group in MoP and other expansions was crazy difficult.
Nice. I literally was planning on playing either DK, Mage or Pally this next xpac, as they have been my favorite go-to specs ever since the days of wotlk (not the classic re-release). Now to figure out which one to actually focus as my main...
I jsut came back for TWW but last played heavily all through legion and BFA. The DK is just the most fun I have had with a class, Both DPS specs are great fun and feel very different, They are both performing well in most content. 100% the best nailed theming and asthetics of any class right now. I might be biased as DK has been my favorite to play since it was introduced but this time it doesn't just seem like just me.
I'm an Evoker main since it came out as I love dragons and DPS, Support & Healer which Evokers actually do very great at these three. So I keep playing them as main for years to come. I have alts anyway for other classes like Druids, Warlocks, Hunter, Priest, Shaman for professions and different kind of playstyle.
I've been a ret pally since TBC, but i also always love DKs. So my main two are in a good spot. Though im leaning towards Evoker and Monk for my gathering alts, for zoomy chill palate cleansers.
My Warband def gonna be Hunter/Evoker/Shaman/Druid. Its what i usually play anyway and nothing got enough of a shake up to make me consider otherwise. From a PvP standpoint im hearing a lot of differing opinions from Bellular's as well. Boomkin is apparently in a really good PvP spot and with Solo Q RBGs/Arenas and M+ being likely my focus, its looking like a solid option.
Probably going Ret Pally myself, is pretty much the go-to class for any fantasy game i play. Not overly fond of Rider of the Apocalypse; if the horsemen were just random undead/DK's rather than 'named' characters, i'd be fine with it - didnt know Scalecommander got temp minions though; was already looking at that hero class as a secondary 'toon to play. Also have to say, seeing everyone Skyriding on their fave mounts is really cool, very nice to see a mix of flying mounts instead of the same dragons of DF.
Same though I have not played quite as long I started in shadow lands lol have mained a pally ever since. (Edit shadow lands also almost discouraged me from playing the class when I started learning about it more) thankfully I stuck with it
Except for SoD I haven't played a Warriro as anything except for Prot since TBC. Finishing all the quests in every zone and I'm mostly done w/Hallowfaust but hit 80 before I left Rising Deps. Still haven't died from a fight yet including some delves. Really enjoying the Mountain Thane talents. All passive, just make me into Thor kinda. :)
Looong time feral main here, experimentally the new feral changes don't really feel like that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. It's a little chunkier now, but not that big of a deal. However what actually is a bit wonky is the class tree overhaul, with the loss of Astral Influence (RIP the fun was detected) and with it alot of the passive choices don't feel good or too specialized to take which leads to taking more even more active abilities to trying and find keybinds in my already jam-packed bars.
3/4 of my passed mains being strong candidates for War Within feels great. Balance, Unholy, Elemental, and Beastmaster. I played BM for both SL and DF. So I think I'll put my undead Elvirah on the shelf for a while. I'm strongly considering my unholy belf, especially if I keep him for Midnight. Rocking up to Quel'thalas with Wellish would feel great. I've only logged back onto him to do the Heritage Quest, so I think he's actually still at Silvermoon.
It feels like a pipe dream but I really hope they bake the DF tier set into the Demon Hunter talents. It feels so weird manually throwing glaives when I could be spending fury.
The list is actually absolutely spot on. No criticisms actually. I am going to main Shaman because every spec feels great and I think tank shaman is coming soon.
Eh, calling aldrachi a fine tree with a fun minigame is a pretty wild and unpopular take. To each their own tbf, but if that is his personal opinion then he should probably mention it's very different from the opinion of almost everyone else who has played it.
Excited to see your work on the "how to choose a main" content you mentioned, but I am going with mage. All three specs just look like good ol' fashioned fun
I've been maining Fury Warrior for nearly 19 years and will continue to do so. I tested out SMF with the Slayer talents on the beta and was very intrigued.
Destro Lock (Human) Main since TBC/Wrath (2.4 Fire spec basically and especially once Chaos Bolt happened). Probably will go Hellcaller, but I setup a second new Destro (Void Elf) with a different build for Diabolist.
Personally, I haven't had a hard time choosing a main: I will always be a demonology warlock main - especially now! My biggest struggle is limiting myself on alts: I've earlier had both Enhancement Shaman, and Frost DK as alts to my warlock, but now I'm also looking at both Arcane Mage and Shadow Priest, and even an Outlaw Rogue on top of the Shaman and DK. They're all just fun to play!
Mage class frost fire has a massive problem. It literally doesn't proc fire spells if you're ice. If you're fire frost never activates. It's a known issue and the devs said they plan to fix it which is still not fixed. Compared to all other classes, the pay out on mage is just lacking for the high level of perfection needed to play the class.
I think I am sticking with my BM hunter. As it is the easiest for me the do good DPS on while as a GM dealing with the drama that can come with raiding. :) Worked for me in DF, will stick with it in TWW. Possibly try out MM.
I'm torn between maining BM hunter because I like how easy it is to play solo a lot of the time and get myself into trouble fighting stuff I probably shouldn't, or playing shadow priest since it sounds fitting for the new story.
Main will be what it's been since MoP really. Windwalker monk. Not really changed from that at all. Whether or not I do Brewmaster again is not sure as I only did that as well back in MoP also. Not done Hunter since WOLK And not done Druid since TBC and again in Cataclysm. Thankfully the warband thing will just let me do more stuff on the monk and help to gear up and all the alts when I get around to levelling those up slowly during the expansion.
Definitely feeling Protection Warrior, and probably Mountain Thane for that. Not only is is thematic for my Dark Iron, but Prot warr is quite tanky at the cost of self sustain which has been nerfed on other tanks anyways. Couple this with the +12 key changes, and I think tanky tanks are going to be effective.
Unfortunately for Ele you mentioned the fire build a lot but they nerfed it to the ground to the point where we are doing lightning builds for both raid and M+ and its not worth pressing lava burst outside of after primordial wave for the haste buff because it got gutted so hard.
I'm so glad someone actually sees the state of the druid class as a whole especially the feral druids. Some in the feral community thinks ferals are "OP". I think they are confused that topping in their personal DPS meters against newer players is the only proof they need to determine ferals are Gods. LoL.
Ferals, as always, will be overlooked in endgame PvE because other DPS specs will exist- and so does rDruids and Bears, making feral deadweight. Meanwhile in PvP they're a wreaking ball. WDYM?
I have either been playing a pally or a monk healing for my groups. I will probably main the monk because they look super fun and have most of the rest enjoy delves
My main has been my Priest since TBC and will remain so in TWW. Just wished Professions' learnt recipes become account wide so I can change it without worrying about really rare to no longer obtainable recipes disappearing...
Probably betting on classes with both, healer and dps specs. I find it more fun. I'm one of the druid fans, I can always help friend with whatever they need. I'll also lvl a priest
i will be picking the worst class to level up 1st that's how i have always play WoW and you are a smart ass that make us have to watch this all the way to the end ( not taking it back)
Disappointed in the removal of tranq being able to be combined with (what I call) the circle jerk for resto druid but from the timelines that I have been playing, resto druids haven't really seen a lot of favoritism anyway.
I like to play a try a new class as main every expansion, so it's either Warlock or Shaman for War Within I think. It does kinda pain me that DK and Paladin both look so good but I've already mained them before (in Legion and MoP/WoD), but one of them might be my main alt.
Fatebound assassination specifically feels very good to me, as a former rogue main coming back to it. My old main subtlety is still doodoo though, which is sad. They should just bring back legion era sub, it was perfect back then.
DH feels like it was forgotten about. The class has a lot of issues, especially with Havoc. As a DH main I feel like I’ll either have to find a raid spot as a Tank or find a new class to main. Warrior looks good.
I’ve heard guardian is quite a strong tank, while warrior dps is middling at best from a competitive M+, perhaps raid rewards those specs differently, but I think it’s worth mentioning the difference between fun to play and effective to play
Going Pally and Hunter as always. But will likely change druid to monk . And have Mage Priest as the last main played characters. Hard to realy decide. So i let the tier sets decide for me 😅
Ah yes, I sure am looking forward to playing Destro Lock where I'm either *checks notes* playing scuffed Demo or scuffed Affliction. Very cool, Microsoft!
As a demon hunter player, I don't mind the 'stagnation', I think demon hunters are in a fine place and don't need additional tuning. They're strong, but not invincible, They feel like they fill their role well, the class fantasy is intact. Blizzard, just focus on the other classes plz.
@@kain1638 Nothing to recover from. We got demoted from godlike to demigod. Completely justified nerfs, and we're still very strong at max level on beta, even after the nerf.
Frost is going to be the only one to be gutted. i dont understand why frost has been stuck in breath build for this long while unholy is the one to get the buffs lmao
@@SlayerdudetoI absolutely hate the breath build and made me quit playing my DK in S2. Just couldn’t keep up with any other class unless you were sweating your ass off keeping that runic power up.
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1:50 DK
4:04 Mage
6:10 Paladin
8:07 Monk
10:38 Rogue
12:30 Druid
16:28 Warrior
18:00 Hunter
20:00 Warlock
21:38 Shaman
23:36 Priest
25:30 Evoker
Thank you🌟 My faith in humanity is restored.
God’s work done here 👌
Thanks for this list
24:32 Demon Hunters
Use chapters next time please.
Wats chapters precious!?
I think they take a little time to show, similar to the buffering of an initial upload.
For the love of god it’s insane they don’t.
No chapters = more video view % per viewer.
You can decide for yourself if you (as a viewer) like this approach.
THIS! Especially for this type of a video.
Just here to make sure you say what I want to hear about the class I already decided to play and wont change under any circumstance.
Rogue?
Rogue for life.
I wish i was like you. But I want numbers 😢
@@3prasg57then bellular isnt who you should be watching to find the best classes
Same i couldn’t care less about meta. To casual
And always remember, the class you're having fun playing with is always S-Tier.
unless you have different priorities like getting a raid spot 99% of the time, which some classes dont have
Unless it sucks at the moment then no you won’t have fun
Fire mage inbound
If you are a super casual player yeah, but if you wanna do anything even remotely higher than that then absolutely no. Even for relatively mid tier content people are gonna want the meta classes in their group and that's a fact. I've been there so many times. Playing the class you enjoy sounds fun but once you start wasting literally hours on queue hoping to get into a group you will understand how painful it is.
As long as you play completely solo, and dont plan on trying to get invited to any groups.
Quick tip for when chapters don't exist, you can use the transcript
How?
I dont understand.
"Our Final Verdict"
Ret main: 👀
ive been maining a ret pally since BC im so happy there still shinning each expansion.
If I had done this video, I would have not mentioned Demon Hunter at all until the very end of the video and then went "Oh wait, we forgot Demon Hunter. Well that's ok, so did Blizzard. No harm done."
But rogues and boomkins want that place to cry too.
@@KippoKupothat’s actual cap lmao play style is aight but its dps is dog water atm
@@KippoKupovengeance is sometimes, havoc rarely
@ThisisDD yeah, Havoc is always doing way too much damage
@@kenjeguides3675 huh???
I am BM Hunter all the way no matter what. I just love the class fantasy of BM Hunter.
I suffer from Demon Hunter tankitis. I haven't touched another class since DH came out in Legion because the style of Vengeance tanking was absolutely AMAZING with the sigils, actually being able to CC multiple groups and time your sigils to prevent spells all while ripping souls out and spewing flames from your face.
So demon hunter will be good in The War Within? Or should i play another class?
@@Cabelius I've been playing for the last few days and Demon Hunter seems to be middle of the pack. If you know how to do your rotation you should be fine. I'm leveling a Mage, DK and DH right now and so far my DK is destroying in single boss fights right now without gear. The mage is ridiculous and I think they are going to top all charts. Ice and Arcane are INSANE.
You won't be breaking any records but you will be constantly above average but not in the top DPS slots. I think the only they suffer from is lack of raid utility, they get a couple skills but I think DK's will still be the top choice for having the rez, anti magic zone and their DPS is just astounding.
I saw a different video and they mentioned if you play a class that you are good with and understand well, you are going to do better than a "meta" class that you are unfamiliar with. I wouldn't worry about trying something new unless you want to.
I know I plan on getting a Shaman and hunter up as well. A lot of the hunters I saw were melting bosses. Maybe it was the scaling giving them weird stats but it was crazy.
Blizzard really just reworked rogue only to shit on it the very next patch. What a waste of time.
Hero talents are very very uninspiring but assassination is looking to be in the prio for melee spot.
the hero talents are the biggest dogs*it.. both from fantasy and gameplay view... sadge rogue noise*
Same with havoc, which got roughly a third of the rework that the rogues did in DF and unironically fewer design changes than them in this beta (not trying to make it a contest i feel bad for rogues too, just wanted to give context). Also as for the hero trees, saying that aldrachi is a "fun minigame" is a WILDLY unpopular take. That tree is an abomination, and fel-scarred is a glorified aura buff. I wish blizz actually hired more developers so we could all be mages and death knights
@@TheDoodoomilk when did they rework rogue? I must be late to the game
Lol Assa is pretty insane atm
Leaning towards Shaman due to how impactful and fresh the hero talents make it feel, particularly Farseer. Priest is a close second solely due to the flavor of Voidreaver. Can’t wait for your “choosing a main” video.
I've been an enhance shaman main since BC and had ups and downs. So might stick to it, especially since the spec shaped up pretty good, although the button bloat is real, wish they would turn a bunch of those into passives like they did with Arcane Mages.
That steed was possibly the one thing that could have pulled me back to my old main the DK.
As of this moment I'd probably go Arcane Mage > Augment Evoker > Resto Druid > Enhance Shammy /Survival Hunter. If tanking becomes an option (unlikely as main) would go Brewmaster Monk or Blood DK. Can you see how really really convinced and decided I am? Yea, it's a problem.
I'll be sticking to my two mains that I've had for the last few expansions: Ret/Prot Paladin and Frost/Fire mage!
I have always played Warlock and that is not changing. I just enjoy the class fantasy of being a master of the dark arts.
Hunter and Warrior have always been my mains, probably just gonna keep playing them, not really feeling any of the other classes. A bit disappointed that neither of them really got many new things or changes tho.
But hey hopefully these changes will help them out performance wise overall . Very few changes stays average to above average for raid and m+ most of the time . But they will be fun absolutely no doubt
Hunter got something, broken aoe damage
I’ll give you a crazy answer, but that’s what I actually do. I have 35 characters detailed in four documents with all the backgrounds, interactions, family trees, age and even if they are alive or not. I choose two group comps, one from the horde and one for the alliance, considering what I think will make more sense with the incoming content. Then I elect which character will drive their and the expansion narrative better and that’s how i choose the one that I’ll start.
And what’s now the final answer ???????
@@viisovari4544furry bm hunter
@@viisovari4544 This really came out of left field and genuinely surprised me, but my starting character will be my dracthyr. He is the only one in the current comp that has motivation to go, but not stay in all of the regions (the dwarfs will stay at the surface and in riging deeps at the start, the paladin will stay in hallowfall for the most part and the trolls (one is the previous wielder of Xala'tath) will mostly stay in Azj-kahet to fight off the nerubians. But the dracthyr as a researcher of the void and entrusted to recover the darkheart have a narrative reason to navigate through all the zones at the start. After the leveling storyline, considering what happens (I don't have any idea of the story for the zones) I'll reorganize considering how each one of them will react to the incoming content.
I have played the same one character for 19 years
As a long term rogue player I feel incredibly disappointed with what Blizz has done to my class. I genuinely have no idea what they are thinking. I play Outlaw, and I had a Shadow Dance based build going, but that's gone now. What am I supposed to build around now? Echoing Reprimand? I have to ask, is there anyone who actually LIKES Echoing Reprimand? I hated it from the second it was introduced in SL. It's a deeply un-fun ability. And it works terribly with Outlaw since I often get more than one combo points from my attacks. Making pinpointing a specific amount of combo points an incredibly finicky task. I will celebrate the day when they finally remove that ability from the game. But instead they remove abilities people like and actually use, like when they removed Marked for Death for no apparent reason.
Even our hero talent trees feel lame and poorly thought out. What the hell is "Fatebound"? Was a pirate based hero talent tree really too much to ask for? When they changed Combat to Outlaw in Legion they made a big deal about how this is now the pirate spec and gave us a bunch of pirate based theming. And then they promptly removed basically all of that in BfA, the expansion where we spent a lot of time fighting pirates. Like what was the point in removing Saber Slash and replacing it with Sinister Strike which is just the same ability, minus the pirate theming? And now we have hero talent trees, a system built around "engaging class fantasy", a perfect moment to give us the pirate theming back. And what do we get? "Fatebound". The only fate rogues are bound to right now is the destruction of our class.
Rogue is in desperate need of a mid expansion rework. Because as it stands the class has gotten progressively less fun since legion.
I fucking hate Echoing Reprimand.
Dance being in the class tree was a stupid decision that they left in for too long and they should have never balanced outlaw around it.
@@intenzityd3181 you say that. But, as I said, what do we have now that it's gone? This isn't about less DPS. This is about rotations not being any fun.
Play ASSA.
@@ElitenOfficial Bro, all three specs are a joke. Blizzard is a joke in regards to rogue. This expansion looks so great but getting forced out of a class because of bad design is just sad. I do not care about dps. Rogues will probably once again rock the boards. But THREE passive hero talent trees is just a joke. Yes they are all passive. Coup de grace is not visually attractive. It is really sad to see them spitting on one of the most thematic classes of WoW. They could have been much more creative.
I have been a Ret Pali since the beginning. No reason to change now.
Amen. I’m torn between ret, dk and monk for melee. But ret burst is beautiful
I'm Prot/sometimes Holy or Ret
Prot paladin is not fun to tank. But being able to switch to healer is tremendous fun. Also bubble.
oof. The struggle back in the 2000's
Maybe try paying the other 2/3 of your class. You know, Protection and Holy.
That way if Ret gets nerfed into the ground you don’t feel like quitting the game and saying the entire game sucks
@@James-kv3ll Prot is apparently not in a great place right now.
A better argument for playing Holy is that DPS are overrepresented already.
I’ve mained rogue since TBC, so sadly ill be playing that but thanks to warbands I’ll also be able to play my ele sham, frost dk, and either bm hunter or fury warrior.
Resto shaman is my pick. Hearing great things about it all-round, e.g. is extremely effective and satisfying to play, even in challenging content. Also hearing good things about elemental, which means I'll have a very nice dps spec to fall back on when needed.
I listened to you while I play wow/ hots I swear I have to repeat this video for my wow character like 10000 times
Im doing Pally and Priest, for both the theme and gameplay. I really enjoy Shadow, and Ret has been my main for a while
Timestamps please love the channel watch all you war within general update videos i agree with the majority of your takes i dont want to have to watch another youtuber for class updates because i have to sit through a bunch of info on classes i dont care about
I am so excited about this expansion. Finally, FINALLY the Frost DK has been improved to where it can be viable in raids and Mythic+. I fell in love with it during LK but finding a group in MoP and other expansions was crazy difficult.
Druid Main... Have been, Always will be... Will be playing Mage, Lock, And maybe adding Shammy in there but we will see.
Thank you for the info.
Outlaw feels so bad in pre patch it’s actually kinda crazy
Pre patch means nothing , so u need to try it when live come
play Assa.
Will you be playing early and what content can we expect in the days between normal launch? Excited now!
Always played Frost Death Knight and Affliction Warlock, sticking to em :)
Nice. I literally was planning on playing either DK, Mage or Pally this next xpac, as they have been my favorite go-to specs ever since the days of wotlk (not the classic re-release). Now to figure out which one to actually focus as my main...
GOD DAMN thanks for the video and the nice and easy layout of the skill which many do not do
I jsut came back for TWW but last played heavily all through legion and BFA. The DK is just the most fun I have had with a class, Both DPS specs are great fun and feel very different, They are both performing well in most content. 100% the best nailed theming and asthetics of any class right now. I might be biased as DK has been my favorite to play since it was introduced but this time it doesn't just seem like just me.
Like always I am playing Assa/Outlaw Rogue and Affli/Destru WL. Doesn't matter if Rogue is in the beginning of the addon a lil bit weak.
I'm an Evoker main since it came out as I love dragons and DPS, Support & Healer which Evokers actually do very great at these three. So I keep playing them as main for years to come. I have alts anyway for other classes like Druids, Warlocks, Hunter, Priest, Shaman for professions and different kind of playstyle.
Survival is gonna be big this expansion. Mark my words
I would love to see a visual update to all spells and abilities. DK and shaman especially have some really old looking spell effects.
I've been a ret pally since TBC, but i also always love DKs. So my main two are in a good spot. Though im leaning towards Evoker and Monk for my gathering alts, for zoomy chill palate cleansers.
My Warband def gonna be Hunter/Evoker/Shaman/Druid. Its what i usually play anyway and nothing got enough of a shake up to make me consider otherwise. From a PvP standpoint im hearing a lot of differing opinions from Bellular's as well. Boomkin is apparently in a really good PvP spot and with Solo Q RBGs/Arenas and M+ being likely my focus, its looking like a solid option.
Probably going Ret Pally myself, is pretty much the go-to class for any fantasy game i play. Not overly fond of Rider of the Apocalypse; if the horsemen were just random undead/DK's rather than 'named' characters, i'd be fine with it - didnt know Scalecommander got temp minions though; was already looking at that hero class as a secondary 'toon to play.
Also have to say, seeing everyone Skyriding on their fave mounts is really cool, very nice to see a mix of flying mounts instead of the same dragons of DF.
I'll main a paladin. I've always mained a paladin, and I will continue to main a paladin. Ret/Holy
Same here, since Bach to wrath
@@mikeharding9396 Once a paladin, always a paladin!
@@NikolaKrotevFor The Light!
Same though I have not played quite as long I started in shadow lands lol have mained a pally ever since. (Edit shadow lands also almost discouraged me from playing the class when I started learning about it more) thankfully I stuck with it
Except for SoD I haven't played a Warriro as anything except for Prot since TBC. Finishing all the quests in every zone and I'm mostly done w/Hallowfaust but hit 80 before I left Rising Deps. Still haven't died from a fight yet including some delves. Really enjoying the Mountain Thane talents. All passive, just make me into Thor kinda. :)
Looong time feral main here, experimentally the new feral changes don't really feel like that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. It's a little chunkier now, but not that big of a deal.
However what actually is a bit wonky is the class tree overhaul, with the loss of Astral Influence (RIP the fun was detected) and with it alot of the passive choices don't feel good or too specialized to take which leads to taking more even more active abilities to trying and find keybinds in my already jam-packed bars.
3/4 of my passed mains being strong candidates for War Within feels great. Balance, Unholy, Elemental, and Beastmaster. I played BM for both SL and DF. So I think I'll put my undead Elvirah on the shelf for a while. I'm strongly considering my unholy belf, especially if I keep him for Midnight. Rocking up to Quel'thalas with Wellish would feel great. I've only logged back onto him to do the Heritage Quest, so I think he's actually still at Silvermoon.
Heavily considering as main: Unholy DK, Frost Mage
Potential main/primary alt: Affliction Wlock, Outlaw Rogue
Alts: Arms Warrior, TBD Shaman
Rogue treatment alpha/beta/tww launch has been borderline criminal...
Wonder how the class lead got away with it? Basically phoned it in.
But they are op tho…
Rogues forgot to turn off stealth. Easily done!
Well I don't think outlaw rogues have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to complaining about "borderline criminal"!
@@Junebug89 Nor arm, since they were the most affected by the melee range nerf
It feels like a pipe dream but I really hope they bake the DF tier set into the Demon Hunter talents. It feels so weird manually throwing glaives when I could be spending fury.
The list is actually absolutely spot on. No criticisms actually.
I am going to main Shaman because every spec feels great and I think tank shaman is coming soon.
Eh, calling aldrachi a fine tree with a fun minigame is a pretty wild and unpopular take. To each their own tbf, but if that is his personal opinion then he should probably mention it's very different from the opinion of almost everyone else who has played it.
Excited to see your work on the "how to choose a main" content you mentioned, but I am going with mage. All three specs just look like good ol' fashioned fun
I've been maining Fury Warrior for nearly 19 years and will continue to do so. I tested out SMF with the Slayer talents on the beta and was very intrigued.
ive been maining fury for some years, took a break since last patch. Does it do big damage? how you feeling
Destro Lock (Human) Main since TBC/Wrath (2.4 Fire spec basically and especially once Chaos Bolt happened). Probably will go Hellcaller, but I setup a second new Destro (Void Elf) with a different build for Diabolist.
Personally, I haven't had a hard time choosing a main: I will always be a demonology warlock main - especially now! My biggest struggle is limiting myself on alts: I've earlier had both Enhancement Shaman, and Frost DK as alts to my warlock, but now I'm also looking at both Arcane Mage and Shadow Priest, and even an Outlaw Rogue on top of the Shaman and DK. They're all just fun to play!
I've actually been enjoying dark ranger. It's allowed me to effectively use aimed shot quickly, rapidly throwing out heavy smacking abilities.
2:11 CLOTTING UP THE TALENT TREE I SEE YOU
Mage class frost fire has a massive problem. It literally doesn't proc fire spells if you're ice. If you're fire frost never activates. It's a known issue and the devs said they plan to fix it which is still not fixed.
Compared to all other classes, the pay out on mage is just lacking for the high level of perfection needed to play the class.
Long time watcher here, just wanted to say I appreciate all of the effort you guys put into these videos!
I think I am sticking with my BM hunter.
As it is the easiest for me the do good DPS on while as a GM dealing with the drama that can come with raiding. :) Worked for me in DF, will stick with it in TWW. Possibly try out MM.
Shadow being untouched is def not a good thing and what a huuuuuuuge shame it is that Archon is anywhere near relevant.
I'm torn between maining BM hunter because I like how easy it is to play solo a lot of the time and get myself into trouble fighting stuff I probably shouldn't, or playing shadow priest since it sounds fitting for the new story.
Main will be what it's been since MoP really. Windwalker monk. Not really changed from that at all.
Whether or not I do Brewmaster again is not sure as I only did that as well back in MoP also.
Not done Hunter since WOLK
And not done Druid since TBC and again in Cataclysm.
Thankfully the warband thing will just let me do more stuff on the monk and help to gear up and all the alts when I get around to levelling those up slowly during the expansion.
Definitely feeling Protection Warrior, and probably Mountain Thane for that. Not only is is thematic for my Dark Iron, but Prot warr is quite tanky at the cost of self sustain which has been nerfed on other tanks anyways. Couple this with the +12 key changes, and I think tanky tanks are going to be effective.
Unfortunately for Ele you mentioned the fire build a lot but they nerfed it to the ground to the point where we are doing lightning builds for both raid and M+ and its not worth pressing lava burst outside of after primordial wave for the haste buff because it got gutted so hard.
Going with Warrior for my main, Haven't full decided who to go next
I'm so glad someone actually sees the state of the druid class as a whole especially the feral druids. Some in the feral community thinks ferals are "OP". I think they are confused that topping in their personal DPS meters against newer players is the only proof they need to determine ferals are Gods. LoL.
Ferals, as always, will be overlooked in endgame PvE because other DPS specs will exist- and so does rDruids and Bears, making feral deadweight. Meanwhile in PvP they're a wreaking ball. WDYM?
Hello Bell and gang! Thanks again for the content. I think I am going Prot Pally as a main. As far as alts: shadow priest and ret pally.
I might keep playing my Prot Paladin, but I've made one of everything just in case!
I have either been playing a pally or a monk healing for my groups. I will probably main the monk because they look super fun and have most of the rest enjoy delves
Frost DK, Dev. Evoker, and Mage (any spec). They are all insanely fun to play.
Nice combover, Baldular.
My main has been my Priest since TBC and will remain so in TWW.
Just wished Professions' learnt recipes become account wide so I can change it without worrying about really rare to no longer obtainable recipes disappearing...
Having played the rogue on the ptr. People sleeping on outlaw rogue. That spec is fire
Probably betting on classes with both, healer and dps specs. I find it more fun. I'm one of the druid fans, I can always help friend with whatever they need. I'll also lvl a priest
My main will still be Havoc Demon Hunter.
My three alt favorites, will be Shadow Priestess, Elemental Shaman and Protection Paladin.
My choice is a little easier now... I will play Warrio (1st Tank and Fury), 2nd will be Mage (Frost) and 3rd will be Rogue (Outlaw).
This sure is a video Bellular has ever made!
pretty happy with that 'clotting' line huh? I was too, Belluar.
i will be picking the worst class to level up 1st that's how i have always play WoW and you are a smart ass that make us have to watch this all the way to the end ( not taking it back)
I can't decide. I need a healer to main with a strong/fun DPS spec. Could be monk, paladin, priest or shaman. Been maining holy priest since Legion.
im probably gonna rock with either mage or paly! might go ahead with my dh tho, ive REALLY been enjoying dh
The suggestion that there might be "an evergreen class" in WoW is hilarious.
There is his name is herbvendor
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It's monk.
Yes, Mages.
Disappointed in the removal of tranq being able to be combined with (what I call) the circle jerk for resto druid but from the timelines that I have been playing, resto druids haven't really seen a lot of favoritism anyway.
I like to play a try a new class as main every expansion, so it's either Warlock or Shaman for War Within I think. It does kinda pain me that DK and Paladin both look so good but I've already mained them before (in Legion and MoP/WoD), but one of them might be my main alt.
I mained Evoker is DF and loved it, the fantasy was superb. Now I am torn between my old DK and trying something new in Shaman...
Resto Shammy main with an Unholy dk dps Alt. Can’t wait to summon pudge to devour my enemies.
Fatebound assassination specifically feels very good to me, as a former rogue main coming back to it. My old main subtlety is still doodoo though, which is sad. They should just bring back legion era sub, it was perfect back then.
cant believe they still haven't fixed kill-me spree after all these years
Balance is amazing because it is so simple now. Was a frost mage player but it got too complex for me since dragonflight
as a rogue main.. this hurts. i'll be going monk to start this go around.
I don’t think this is accurate.. my rogue feels very strong.. we’ll see in mythic +, but my assassin rogue feels very fluid
My assassin rogue is kicking ass. Caring my dungeon groups in terms of damage in aoe and single target.
@@achillyzgaming3707 same! The rotation is smooth and cleave is a lot easier and fluid. Single target is just smaaaaaash.
DH feels like it was forgotten about. The class has a lot of issues, especially with Havoc.
As a DH main I feel like I’ll either have to find a raid spot as a Tank or find a new class to main. Warrior looks good.
I’ve heard guardian is quite a strong tank, while warrior dps is middling at best from a competitive M+, perhaps raid rewards those specs differently, but I think it’s worth mentioning the difference between fun to play and effective to play
As a sub rogue main since cata. I'm pissed with how my favorite class is super underperformed/unrewarding and plain stupid how it's played
Going Pally and Hunter as always. But will likely change druid to monk . And have Mage Priest as the last main played characters. Hard to realy decide. So i let the tier sets decide for me 😅
Ah yes, I sure am looking forward to playing Destro Lock where I'm either *checks notes* playing scuffed Demo or scuffed Affliction. Very cool, Microsoft!
Mage is there for you :P
@@JoshSweetvale I actually am looking forward to trying mage this expansion. I've loved arcane in the past and it sounds like it's pretty fun
@@Coaltergeist Tie Blink to middle mouse button
As a demon hunter player, I don't mind the 'stagnation', I think demon hunters are in a fine place and don't need additional tuning. They're strong, but not invincible, They feel like they fill their role well, the class fantasy is intact. Blizzard, just focus on the other classes plz.
im so happy that the only spec I enjoy playing (outlaw) got horrible changes and lost a lot of things :D
I’ve been a rogue since vanilla…it just seems wrong to change now. Trying to ignore the noise
Rogue feels amazing.. I don’t think it’s as bad as you lay it out to be.
We’ll see it on mythic +.
DK Strong start of every season and proceeds to be gutted to unplayable by the end
already got hit in prepatch, will not recover
@@kain1638? It's still in the top. All specs
@@kain1638 Nothing to recover from. We got demoted from godlike to demigod. Completely justified nerfs, and we're still very strong at max level on beta, even after the nerf.
Frost is going to be the only one to be gutted. i dont understand why frost has been stuck in breath build for this long while unholy is the one to get the buffs lmao
@@SlayerdudetoI absolutely hate the breath build and made me quit playing my DK in S2. Just couldn’t keep up with any other class unless you were sweating your ass off keeping that runic power up.