Milwaukee 8 cam install (S&S 475c)
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- How to install a cam on your M8 Harley Davidson (genera walkthrough) because my last M8 cam install video did not turn out well, I decided to record the process again in another customers bike. Thanks for watching!
thank you for being thorough without blabbering and blaring metal into our ears.
I’ve watched quite a few install videos for this kit from S&S and I’ve installed one myself. Your video is great. Really appreciate the flow and details you included. Thank you.
Don't forget to use the .002 feeler gauge when installing the lifter cuffs feeler gauge between the lifter and the cuff then torque.
In an INSTRUCTIONAL video,
That SHOULD HAVE BEEN POINTED OUT.
I was just going back to see if i missed it???
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This guy don't know shit about working on a bike. Obviously works for a Harley dealer....or did 😏
I was going to say the same thing about the look and quality when I clicked on the video bro I thought it was a Baxter video at first your only improving more and more every time keep killin homie.
Hell yeah, homie. Thank you!
Video was awesome! Very informative, really showed the process step by step !!! Big fan ! Keep putting out content !!!!
Thanks for watching! Definitely more to come
Fantastic, makes me even more confident about switching the cams. Great Video.!
Thank you! It’s not that bad of a job at all
Installing my cams now. Thanks for the video. Great info. Wish you were still here in the HD.
Right on man! Make sure you get that thing tuned though.
And I left behind a lot of shit out there, but I don’t regret leaving at all lol
Just installed mine.Work8ng on a comparison video as we speak. I just came across your channel in my feed actually. I'm happy to support your efforts and those of other fellow moto content creators. I look forward to seeing and hearing more from you in the future ; keep up the great work and ride safe out there.
awesome! thanks for the support. I just hopped over to your channel and subscribed. ride safe, man!
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I put the S&S 475 cam in my 2019 Heritage 114 and it’s a real beast.
Sorry if this is a dumb question, with the fueling cam plate there's a need to specify whether your bike is oil cooled or water cooled. I've got a 2018 softail heritage, is there a need to differentiate with s&s, whether oil or water cooled? Thanks
Yes as I remember it. Buy your stuff from a reputable dealer, they will ask about your application. I prefer Fuel Moto myself, others may not.
I enjoyed the video, it really caught my eye because I'm also a Gilstrap. Not a common name.
🤘🏻 awesome man! Thanks for watching
Nicely done great video👍👍That seems to be the go to Cam...
It makes some good power! Thanks for watching
nice video brother but you need to turn out the push rod adjuster 3 turns + 2 flats that gives 0.100 thousands ,at 4 turns you are at 0.125 thousands the lifter has a maximum compression of 0.200 and you want to expand your push rod half so 0.100 is the sweet spot for the lifter to work as it was designed , if you call S & S they will confirm this to you.
confirm!! I also reached out to S&S because i was getting confused.
Thank you for this advice I did exactly that when I installed my cam
Woods lifters are 4 turns
awesome video...I will be doing the cams on my bike pretty soon as well. Thanks
Can actually see and follow the procedures; NICE!
Thanks for watching! Glad I could help
I can't wait to get my bike back from my homie! I'm getting a s&s 475 cam kit put in my 20 low rider s!
It’s gonna rip!
@@GilstrapGarage that's what everyone keeps telling me lol!
@@spoom937 I think this bike made somewhere around 105hp and 110ftlb. I don’t remember if I included numbers in the video or not lol
@@GilstrapGarage hell ya my buddy has same bike and exhaust as me he got 116hp and 127ft! I'm excited to say the least should have it back in a couple days!
Your work looks professional 👍
Thank you!
Needed to put a feeler gauge on those new S&S tappet guides
Nice work!!
Thanks!
As always I'm super impressed.
Thanks mom!
Great video and attention-to-detail
Thank you!
Good video. Hello from Russia.
Great job
The O ring on the back of the plate that you say you have no problem not using, are we sure about this? Trying to knock an install out when I realized that it is missing from the kit. Other videos say it is important or even critical. 18 ultra 107. Do I need it??
Nice.. you made it look simple
Thank you! It’s not so bad after you do a couple of them lol
Great video, buddy! Nice and detailed!
By the way, what S&S cam do you think would be better for my new 2023 Harley Davidson Fatboy 114? Thanks ahead of time! 🙏❤😊🚁
Surprised you didn’t mention cam bearing part numbers need to face outward!
I’ve got another version of this video where I mention it. But at the same time, I’d hope if someone had the confidence to do their own work they would know the fundamentals like that 🤷🏼♂️
Great job,,,,,, what would this cost parts and labour ?
Thank you for your videos.
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fuel economy difference?
Not sure about fuel economy. We were going for power gains 🤣
How many Miles did your bike have? Why did you choose the S&S 475 cam? Mine has 2800, Doing about the same except Se8-447 cam, I'm also replacing the lifters, and crank pinion gear too. It was a struggle to get the 1/4 20 bolts out, plumb full of high temp thread locker courteously of HarleyD, and did break off one of the lifter cuff bolts, even though I used a soldering iron to heat up the bolts.. I'm still trying different things to get it removed.. I'm not happy with HD for that and also for them using plastic for Cuffs.. had they used appropriate cuffs, I wouldnt needed to take the cuff bolts out to begin with. You are doing a nice video, I'm not a certified Mechnic, but I noticed a couple things you might have not checked.. When doing crank-runout measurement, you should also grab the end and try to lift or move around and any number you get on your dial indicator should be added to your .004 inches.. another is Cuffs, moving the rotation to check for drag, before and while tightening your Cuffs or at least after they are tight, check with a .001 inch clearance on the sides (the cuffs can move while you tighten).
Awesome video
Thank you 🙌🏻
I thought I was clicking on a Kruesi video for a second they use same font! But still fucks with you anyway and watched!
Ahhh shit! I love kruesi’s videos, definitely not trying to rip them off. That shit just looked super good when I turned it blue haha. I appreciate you watching man 👊🏻✊🏻 thank you
@@GilstrapGarage you got good content homie! I don't know if it's exactly the same but it looked similar lol. Keep it up man good information in these videos!
@@spoom937 thanks for that. It’s a learning process for sure. Always trying to improve 🤙🏻
Great footage
Thank you. It’s a struggle sometimes lol
Hey when trying to reinstall the pushrod covers you only need a shoe string loop it once on the pushrod and pull downward will never have any risk of damage to your pushrods this way
Thanks for the tip man! I’ll definitely try that next time 🤙🏻
Nice video like always
Thank you!!
Awesome video! Out of curiousitu what bars are on it? I dig em and they’d look good on mine too
honestly im not sure what he is running
Is there a break-in procedure? I only found one comment on a blog that says no. I have searched all over and on the S&S site. The only related break-in I can find is concerning new heads and gaskets.
My suggestion is always “break it in on the dyno” lol. But that’s not any positive info from the manufacturer, that’s just some advice I’ve been given by some old heads
Great video
Thank you 🙌🏻
That spacer at the end of the assemblies goes behind the top gear on the cam plate? What kind of spacer kit or part number do u ask harley for ?
Yes sir, it spaces the cam sprocket properly, it’s critical for the chain wear. They don’t sell them individually, they all come in a kit. But the m8 part number from Harley is 25928-06. Other companies offer them as well, just search “m8 cam spacer kit”
Thanks for the video 👍
Great video. Just had a question. Did you add any oil after you finished from the oil lost when opening timing cover? I measured about 500mL lost on mine
Yes I did. The oil was still fairly new, so I added oil, warmed it up, and topped it off respectively. But A lot of times that I install new pumps I change the oil and filter.
Great job, but only thing that bothers me is the shifting peg, why putting 475 if u shift up with heel
On all the bikes I’ve ever had/rode with the heel toe shifter, I’ve never used the heel shifter. I just shift like a normal bike
Brandon I love the video I have a 2018 street Glide I bought a bassani head pipe 2into 2 with the ss475 cam I have not got it installed yet but wanted to know what slip on exhaust do you recommend for best sound and passing power
Thanks for watching! That’s a tough question for me to answer, man. I don’t have a lot of experiences with slip ons to know what works well and what doesn’t. I can say though, the longer the collector on your header the more power you get
as far as the tappit cuffs it's possible they can break but it's unlikely gm has been using plastic tappit guides for decades now and I've never heard of an issue
Yeah, i agree. Its probably going to fail, but if I’m in there I’d rather make it better 🤷🏼♂️
Looks like my route is 475 cam as well I have a 21 m8 so I’ve heard the stock oil pump is fine to use
Yeah man, they got a lot of the sumping issues figured out pretty early on, you be alright to run the stock plate and pump
@@GilstrapGarage thanks. Yes the harley place i was going to take it told me he recommends the high pressure oil pump but I’ve been seeing alot of newer m8s not doing the pump and plate
What tool did you use to remove the tappet block cover bolts? You mentioned your ball allen was broken? Curious as those bolts at the rear are close to the cylinders.
i used a 1/4' drive alan bit and a wrench lol. it takes forever that way, but it'll work
How long does this take? A reasonable estimate in time. I'm 1200 miles from or I'd have you do mine. The dealership says this is an 8 hour job.
6-8 hours is pretty realistic
Bro I love that run out tool where did you get it..🤔
That one is from Milch Racing. It does evo, TC, and M8. I picked it up from eBay for like $80
How much is labor for a job like this?
About 8 hours
Does the tool you have in the video have a stopper in it so you don’t push the cam bearing in too far. This is the scariest part for me cause I’m sure you feel resistance the entire time while pushing it in
So how do you know when to stop. Where did you get that tool is it the best one ?
Yes this one has a lil to stop you when you’re set in all the way. This is a Jim’s tool. Pricey, but worth it. Especially for how many of these cams I have done.
Thank you for the vid
Thanks for watching!
What’s your thoughts on keeping stock oil pump on a 2023 road glide special? I’ve been told the newer ones don’t need to be changed and can handle the new cam.
I bought a 22 SG 1 year ago how do I know what is the right kit to buy from S&S bc it gives options for either chain or gear drive? N what are all the tools I need to buy to do install? I'm pretty mechanically inclined and confident that I can do it. I just don't know what all tools I need to buy.
You didn't have to heat up the tappet cuff bolts? I used a heat gun but it still wasn't good enough. Bolt snapped on me half way out. Now my bikes in the shop to remove the broken bolt from the engine case.
😧 nope, every one I’ve done had walked out easy
Same for me, but I broken only one of two.. I still have 1/4' length bolt stud to grab on too, but won't try it until I get an Inductive Heater to heat that sucker up.
@@GilstrapGarage Dang, I'm surprised
@@ut1004bp Damn, hope you're able to get that sucker out. Good luck.
@GilstrapGarage YOU SHOULD NOT be telling people to ditch the o ring on the back of pump!!!!!!
Are the Cam bearings part of the new cam kit or a separate purchase ?
They are purchased separately
Based on others' feedback, ss475 lost some HP below 2500-3000. Is that right?
Yeah it’s not the best below the range, but I never ride in that RPM anyway. I cruise at about 3200-3400 and shift between 38 and 40
@@GilstrapGarage That’s pretty aggressive, I'm a fan of low-rpm cruising guy. Those rumbling exhausts sound nice to me. By any chance, do you know how ss 465 performs at a lower rpm like 2000-2500, thanks, and ride safe!
May be a dumb question, but lets say I do this job myself in my garage. How do I go about tuning it? Is that also something I can do myself or does it have to go to the dealer? I’ve watched a ton of these install videos but no one walks through the tune to finish the job.
I refer all of my clients to a Dyno Tuner. For an extra fee I’ll even take it to then myself for the customer. All of the “diy” tuners are garbage lol. But if you can’t make it to a dyno tuner immediately, you can purchase a power commander or power vision, and Fuel Moto can make a base line map for you to get by for a bit
you might do it yourself if you use a tuner with wide band O2 sensors, but.....
... you really have to know something about tuning, it is not as random as stage one setup, you really have to know how tables are working and what are you aiming for what ratio at what RPM and TP, also you have to have knowledge about the spark advance. That is the first thing, second thing is to tune the bike on street can be dangerous, since you have to do those multiple runs even with wide open throttle, do you have balls for that?
In reality better search for reputable tuner in your area (even some tuning shops dont know what they do), and let the bike tune in controlled and safe environment of tuning center. It often is not more expensive to getting a tuner with wide band O2 sensors, since the shop usually has own stationary sensor unit and they often have discounts for "control boxes" so at the end of the day the price you pay is not much higher then if you DIY.
Are the spacers sold as kit, a bag or separately?
They are sold as a kit from Harley
Nice moves
Great vid. Seems easy 😛 -joking- you must think of a ton of details… DIY is having no guarantee but some could take the risk.
It comes with a lot of practice!
Did you reuse the o-ring from the stock pump for the pump/case mating surface? S&S instructions mentions nothing of the o-ring except in their video, which tells viewer to "refer to the instructions" SMH. I already put the whole thing together and now I'm wondering if I should tear it down again for that o-ring now...
I reused it for this one, it wasn’t a new one. The last one I did, I didn’t even install it. I didn’t have the clearance I needed for the pump surface. It’s really not critical when you’re installing these pumps
@@GilstrapGarage awesome, thank you so much. Great video by the way, it has saved me a lot of money!
@@444International that’s awesome man. Ride safe, enjoy. You plan on dyno tuning the bike?
@@GilstrapGarage most definitely will dyno. Until then, I paid Fuel Moto for a few "canned" tunes for my current setup. Hopefully they e-mail me them soon so I can load them into my Power Vision. Worst case scenario, I detonate a $34k bike! LMAO
@@444International send it! Lol. The base maps should hold you over for a while, but what the maps don’t offer is some big things like timing advancement. But it sounds like you’ve got a handle on it 💯
Question : why is it necessary to cut the push rods ? Not that it matters bc youre installing new , but just wondering if it's a time thing? Also, do I need push rod covers with s&s push rods if I do this on my 19 SG?
It’s a time thing. Removing the rear rocker boxes on the M8s are a nightmare. It saves you probably a couple hours of work. You will most likely need pushrod tubes if you are rubbing the quickee pushrods
@@GilstrapGarage Brandon I appreciate your reply. One more question, why do I need to check end play on the crank ? I've seen several vids where ppl do not including on J&P cycles. Not that I'm questioning your knowledge, I'm genuinely curious, I'd like to try this cam install and want to learn as much as possible. Thanks again man keep up the awesome vids!
@@tdv1985 excessive run out will cause the gears on the oil pump to tear up the billet aluminum cam plate. I’m not sure why, but the OEM plate is not as susceptible. If I remember correctly, the recommended limit it 5 thousandths. JP cycles probably leaves that out because they want to sell you parts 🤣
@@GilstrapGarage thanks so much for the information, very helpful. Is there a way to check the clearance without the orange plate u had on it ?
@@tdv1985 a few companies make runout tools. That’s one is made by Milch Racing, it’s the most affordable. But that’s the only way you’ll be able to check it. Unless you had a dial indicator you can mount to it from a magnetic base or something
its kinda funny to see he owner them knowing full well im cutting the stock push rods but they still cringe lol
How hot does your M8 get with the new cam install?
We don’t have any temp monitoring on this bike, but we were having some problems with the twin cooled system, and when I ran a few tests the heads were in the 250-275 range before the fans would come on and stabilize the temp
do you have to adjust the oil pressure valve on the oil pump or is it pre adjusted from S&S?
The factory settings from S&S are going to be great for the day to day user. No need to adjust them. But the option is there for the people really going in on a high performance build
@@GilstrapGarage Thanks Bro
Did this come with valve springs?
Nope. No need for valve springs with this cam
So the OEM oil pumps in the 21’s are no good? Do you recommend upgrading to the S&S oil pump when doing an cam change? Any info is appreciated!
They made some major changes to the oil pumps after introducing the m8 in 2017. They have solved the sumping issues from the factory. On a stock motor, or even just a cam, the OEM plate and pump will be good enough. But the after market options from S&S and Feuling are more efficient and can help your bike run cooler. I still have a stock oil pump and cam plate in my Twin Cam because my crankshaft runout is a bit excessive, and it will likely hurt the new parts if I installed them.
@@GilstrapGarage thanks for the comment bro! I have a 2017 RKS and plan to install a RS 468 cam. I’m sure the old oil pump from 2017 is in the bike, so I should be good with just upgrading to the newer OEM oil pump from Harley right?
@@Kingdlack save your money man. Shoot me a message on IG @ gilstrapgarage or an email to b.gilstrap@yahoo.com
If you wanna cover shipping I can send you the oil pump that came out of this bike, there’s like 6k miles on it. But it’ll have the groove cut for the o-ring in the back, you’ll have to pick one up from Harley.
Been there done that with the 475. Too much bottom end loss constant shifting at lower rpm. Changed up.
Changed up to what Earl?
If my run out is more than spec now what do I do? Return the kit?
You can spend the cash and have your crank trued and welded. It’s expensive, but a good investment for longevity
Great video bro! I have a 2020 CVO Tri Glide and plan on doing a Cam, oil pump, and head pipe! Any suggestions would be very appreciated!
My biggest recommendation when choosing a cam is be very honest with yourself about your riding style. What RPM range you ride in, when you shift, and what gear you ride in on the freeway. Based on that, read what the manufacturer lists their torque values at and make your selection based on that
Is the cam bearing included in the kit ?
Typically they are not
@@GilstrapGarage Thanks for your reply.
Any thoughts on the 485 cam ?
I haven’t installed one, man. I don’t have any experience with them
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Awesome! Thank you 🙏🏻
Missed opportunity for making cam gear drive and ditching the chain.
Nahh I wouldn’t install it unless the crank was welded and trued
Any idea why my Harley would be running hotter after the stage 2. I have my powervision with gauges and it's telling me my engine temp is 300 degrees
was the bike tuned on a Dyno after the upgrades?
@@GilstrapGarage just a map sent by fuel moto
my advice would be to take it to a respected dyno tuner that is capable of tuning to your preferred tuning system (power vision, power commander, etc. and if you have a Fuel pack, throw it in the trash lol) The dyno tuner has the ability to adjust your timing and help you with the correct air:fuel your bike needs. The base maps sent by places like FM are a great starting point, but definitely not for longevity
@@GilstrapGarage What's your opinion about autotune with powervision? I just got S&S cam chest kit installed on my 114 LRS, base tune for 475 and then refined it with autotune.
@@CN-ri9vf I always try to encourage people to get their bike dyno tuned by a reputable tuner that’s confident with the software you want to run, and then run the auto tune all you’d like. The auto tune feature is great for your air:fuel, but you don’t get to adjust anything like timing and the dozens of other things your tuner should look for
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Another way to install the pushrod clip have everything installed as you do. Take the clip start in place top part in, take your screwdriver in between the clip and spring cover lift screwdriver up. Don' t
uze the fins
What do you charge to do mine?
Where are you out of?
@@GilstrapGarage Huntsville, AL
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Are you a cat tech. ?
Nope. I did spend the first 4 years of my career maintaining cat and komatsu equipment, and I’ve been to a handful of Caterpillar day classes, but I never really specialized in caterpillar equipment. I believe at the time of this video, I was working for BNSF as a locomotive mechanic. I am a linkbelt crane technician now though.
I was a cat tech for 30 yrs, and worked at a Harley dealer that’s now closed in NW Indiana, than ran a Hyundai service department, than ran a car hauler shop for USAL. I noticed the hat and snap on tools , I had to ask. From one tech to another, great video.
Can't believe HD still uses inferior crap (bearings) in their motors. I'd never buy anything new from them.
Haha do mine too
Come on by! Let’s get it done. If you’re interested, I’ll have some questions for you on your riding style and expectations so we can pick the right cam, and I can give you an idea of the costs
Where you located?
@@MrTheDays1 Victorville Ca. Half way between Barstow and San Bernardino
@@GilstrapGarage sick, yea I’m out in oc
@@MrTheDays1 awesome! Right down the street. If you want shoot me a message @ GilstrapGarage on Instagram if you need anything, or you can grab my phone number from there too
How do you like the S&S 475 so far?
How does this cam compare to the Fueling 468
Does the S&S 475 void the warranty?
Absolutely lol. Some dealers will honor warranty if you have them install it.