If he had a deep imposing voice he would appear to be a serious and threatening guy, but with his actual voice he looks like the chill old man that everyone liked. Amazing how a change in voice can change how you perceive a character and their design
I like to think Sinmara's heart is the reason for that. Her cold heart calmed his fiery rage, and his burning heart brought a warmth to her that even the icy winds of Niflheim could not pierce.
indeed, the delivery on "it's pretty good." is golden, laden with emotion and understanding, like those same words would have a much lesser impact were they spoken by another whom was not so experienced.
Grecians enjoyed finer civilization by their standards. Kratos and the Spartans were very suited for the Norse Realms, instead. Where they say less and punch more.
@@fuckel98 I love how he says “It’s pretty good”. It’s like he’s saying I can’t believe I have to tell this to you, like of course I’m not going to help you and it’s ridiculous you even asked. All wrapped up in 3 simple words
Yup, agreed. Man understood inmediately what he was asking of Surtr, and it shows how much he's grown and developed that he realized he couldn't possibly subject another being to that kind of pain.
I also loved the fact that despite being an ancient being, he speaks in the common tongue, instead of an ancient unknown language. He also speaks in a frank, familiar way, instead of in riddles or in a vague/poetic way.
You can tell how much Kratos and Surtur understand one another. Two very old and weary men, who can't be bothered with long conversation anymore, and that will do anything to protect the ones they love; everyone else be damned.
@@MMerajHossain that, and the fact that Odin didn't do anything to stop them from the beginning either. Odin probably was so sure Surtur wasn't willing to sacrifice his wife and they'd never get Ragnarok so he didn't care until the ritual was done.
The Blades being the substitute of the Weapon surtur was destined to make. The Blades that killed the last pantheon saved this one The Destroyer of Olympus became the Champion of the Giants
Except for one hiccup - Kratos used Blades of Chaos only in GOW1. In GOW2 these were Blades of Athena and in GOW3 he had Blades of Exile. And weirdly all three of them looked and acted exactly the same way. But for some reason BoC were the ones constantly returning to Kratos after the GOW3. Why didn't they return to him in the same way after cheating death in GOW2 or falling into Styx in GOW3?
@@BadassHater1Blade of Exile was modified Blade of Athena after the latter lost its light twice, first time, due to Zeus taking away Kratos' Divinity, the second time, the straying souls in Stynx river ate away its remaining power. Wasn't the Blade of Exile broken in the last battle against Zeus or something. Or maybe Blade of Athena was modified Blade of Chaos. After all, Blade of Athena was just the holy version of Blade of Chaos.
@@BadassHater1 Athena brought the original blades, the ones that killed his family, back, and cursed Kratos to be forever bound to them. Picking the Blades of Chaos is just extra curse points.
Hephaestus had some serious skill in that he forged those blades not only in depths of Tartarus itself but with primordial fire to such peerless craftsmanship they survived two apocalypses entirely unscathed. It's kind of Kratos's greatest blessing and curse in that they'll never fail him but they'll always be there to remind him of his past.
@@nartinjo The novel confirmed that Hephaestus forged them. This is the exact statement: "His signature weapons, the Blades of Chaos, had been forged by the smith god Hephaestus in the furnaces of Hades itself."
@@vksasdgaming9472 The blades of Athena were made by Athena, the blades of Chaos were commissioned by Athena but made by Hephaestus in the forge of Hades.
@@GhostOfSnuffles Blades of Chaos were given to Kratos by Ares. He also took them away. Then he got Blades of Athena that were remade as Blades of The Exile and those are what Kratos now wields.
I'm pretty sure Kratos is an ant to Surtr who blasted them away with barely a wrist flick. He probably has 0 fear of conflict because he's milleniums-years-old with unfathomable primordial strength. If he didn't want Kratos to touch him, Kratos absolutely could not touch him.
@@giornikitop5373 none of the previous pantheon were literally so old they remember the big bang. Even Zues was like 3rd-generation born-into-the-already-functioning-world God after the primordials and Kronos.
@@dogfellow3848 No doubt they're very old but the whole theming with Surtr is different. He's theoretically older than the primordial beings you see Zeus battling with in the cutscene at the beginning of GOW Ascension. His character is meant to represent timeless power that's so depressed from love and conflict and resigned to eternally preparing for ragnarok that he's no threat by his own melancholy choice. If it came to conflict that Surtr actually cared about or at least hadne't seen 100,000 times already, he'd likely just....reach out, grab Kratos, and crush him, like you would dispassionately kill a moth. The point is, we're waaaaaay past that and Surtr's mind is a numb, blank slate of emotion.
@@keandregreen5628 wouldn't be enough but yes, it would be the same as fighting Nyx more or less. Kratos would have lost, he might put a resistance but the end result would be all the same
I like this expansion on the lore of the Blades. They were forged from something so ancient and primal that they keep their power no matter where they go. Freya said that magik comes from the land, and it makes sense that as the Greek deities died all of Kratos' Greek magiks went with them, but these Blades kept their power even after all that. I really hope they keep this series going. I get the feeling we haven't begun to see everything The Blades of Chaos are capable of.
I fully headcannon that thanks to the whole "kratos was post to be one of the three Wisemen" and that Jesus is real, that God made the primordial stuff and let's it do it's thing out of pure Boredom or strategic planning, now that's an idea have God be like kratos, old, tired, but also has,is, and will seen/seeing everything, even more then any another, just have God seem like a friendly but tired old man for like most of the game, and have lets say atreus be in grave danger and God just shrugging and erasing the threat and go back to what ever he was doing
The interesting detail on another Weapon is the Blade of Olympus "Forged by the Heavens and The Earth" (No mythological underworld, no mythological Elysium) I genuinely am surprised about this detail
@@naotanandaba2368 I could say a million things and I doubt you'll listen, so I'll just say this, hatred is easy to spread, care is hard, commenting anything is something, but what you said is dumb, and this makes no sense, don't reply Cause I won't after this, have a nice day
Surtr's design is really fascinating. While his skin looks like hardened lava, his skeleton seems to be made of bronze in the style of nordic knotwork, almost like he is a construct
Ah, but of course. Order and chaos go hand in hand with one another! Just... Depends on wether you make a good or bad choice to dictate which you'll get. Ah but sheogorath would be so proud
Surtr is an amazing char Also love how Kratos doesnt arugue and understands totally. young Kratos wouldve forced them to fuse, old Kratos understands things far better now. Mimir may be the smartest man in the world, but Kratos is the wisest. The sad thing is they probally didnt need Surtur...
@@willardkestila6465 but younger Kratos would have believed the first option of fusing them to be easiest and forced them together, like how he forced a dude to open the bridge to the oracle and slam his face into a boom if he resisted
@@willardkestila6465 Did it though? Did the realm itself have to actually be destroyed or would have taken down odin have made the same point? Throughout the entire final Battle Ragnarok is actually nothing but an inconvenience and a problem to deal with.
"I got her heart. She's got mine. It's not much. But it's enough." SO MANY wise and cynical characters out there and Surtr achieved to surprise me with how simple he was.
Huh... parallel I just noticed. Surtr and Haephestus. Both smiths that assist Kratos, then use their respective element on him, only to then be killed by him. The difference is that Surtr did it with consent and warning, as a precondition to his help; while Haephestus offered his aid first, only to later reveal it was a betrayal and attempt to kill Kratos. Similarities and differences.
Hermes and Heimdall, both annoying little pricks, Hermes ran from Kratos and Heimdall went Head on with Kratos. But still both are little shits and arrogant as they come and specially filled with just enough ego to get killed by Kratos
Didnt Heph only want to kill Kratos because he knew that Kratos would not think twice about killing Pandora(his daughter) when the time came in order to acquire the power to kill Zeus.
@@rustycookiepekka6875I feel like killing Heph was kratos’s first ever step on actually seeing his consequence as a revenger. Look how he was understanding of Heph’s reaction when he rescues pandora and he finally realized what a father would do to save his child. He even tried to prevent pandora from killing herself for the box cause deep down, you know that fatherly instinct kicked in and that’s when you knew Heph got to him. Even when you first meet him when he says “you were once a father too.”
@@pigeonrat5522 Hearing “I’m not gonna sacrifice her, any more than you’re willing to [sacrifice] him.” Basically he said “Would you sacrifice your kid for this? No? Yeah, I’m not sacrificing my wife for the same reason.” Kratos knew at that point that he might as well leave, because he knows that’s an unshakable “No.”
you can really hear the joy in his voice when he knows its working and he has saved the one he loves from dying, no longer caring about the pain of being stabbed at all
so Surtr doesn't want to combine with Sinmara, because it would kill her, but by being stabbed with Blades of Chaos is like a cheat for combining so that Sinmara wouldn't have to die?
Yh sinmaras heart is made of primordial ice and kratos’ blades were forged in the by Tartarus fire the Greek primordial god of inferno so combine the primordial sinmara ice with the primordial tartarus fire and surtr at the catalyst you get ragnarok, essentially they swapped surtrs fire for tartarus’ fire
@@balocke2063 Exactly as he said. As it should be, kratos being present during all this is really fucking up the flow of events and allows for several different alternatives.
@@balocke2063 They didn't swap Surtur's fire for Tartarus fire, Surtur's fire specifically was used. He checked the blades to confirm that they held primordial fire within them but the origin of that fire didn't matter because that fire wasn't going to be used. The important thing was the blades were CAPABLE of containing primordial fire at all, which meant that they could contain HIS OWN primordial fire. He then imbued the blades with HIS OWN primordial fire at timepoint 3:09 and confirms that's what he did at timepoint 8:06 when he says, "Your dad's now got MY fire in those blades."
@@TheRealRightPrice that just opens up the totally different question of, (lore-wise) does that mean the blades are now capable of reaching maximum power again/a new variation of their max? Or was all the fire surtr put in them, depleted when used? 🤷♂️ would be cool if it stacked and gave them another new form since excluding the change to a Norse aesthetic, they remained the standard old school blades. Hopefully the next game touches on that
@@kodychesireI was literally just talking about Opie with my female co-workers at work the other day and it should surprise no one to learn that he was by consensus the office favourite.
@@ishmaelpierson7681 yes true, but further below Tartarus in the darkest pits is chaos the shapeless void similar to Ginnungagap being in the darkest pits of Musphelheim
@@kjelljohanbraten7408 In the Greek mythos you can interpret Chaos as whatever you like since it is the first of everything its form doesn't matter, the void or the very first primordial god it doesn't matter, heck Chaos might even be both.
After an eternity of forging a sword strong enough to channel his primordial fire, a Greek God did it like it was an average Tuesday. Well, at least Surtr has a wife that actually loves him. Aphrodite literally slept with half of Greece. And I’m low balling that.
My theory is that he wasnt just looking for a sword that could hold his fire, but a sword that could hold his fire without Sinmara naturally tempering it with her cold. He was looking for a way to do Ragnarok without involving her.
The Blades of Chaos were forged by gods with access to basically everything in the entire Greek mythos, including stuff in Tartarus and, presumably, bits of Chaos itself. Also, Surtr wasn't a god of smithing, but a being of primordial fire. He literally had just metal, heat, and rocks to work with, and no one to teach him.
@@sapnilmostafiz760 It was Hephestaus, on Ares request. Then the blades were taken back by Ares, only for "new" exactly the same, blades to be given by another god. Almost like they were the exact same ones, but renamed.
It's rather unsettling that the blades didn't melt. The story implications in this scene seem to suggest that the craftsman who made the blades of chaos used primordial fire to forge them. Which may also explain why the blades can be upgraded, but not destroyed, by the various pantheons... It pre-dates all their magic and forging techniques. It's entirely possible that the blades themselves may be revealed, in a later story, to have been a completely different weapon at some point. Possibly broken into smaller pieces and scattered across the pantheonic realms. With the final tale of God of War being about the blades first owner looking to reforge the first iteration from it's broken pieces.
@@cjvipinosa3328you’re right, and wrong at the same time. In the novelized version of God of War, the blades were forged by Hephaestus, but in the game they were forged by Ares. Pretty weird ngl.
@@Y4ng_Oso well yeah Hephaestus did forge it but i think the guy was talking about how Surtr felt the primordial fires within the blade since it was Ares himself who forged iy
The way Surtr delivers "Have you ever been in love? Its pretty good." is so pure. You can sense that he is saying it not with longing or melancholy, but with what he feels in that moment. Having her heart really is enough to make him happy right down to the core. Thats fantastic VA right there
i liked that Surtr and Kratons understood eachother. Both weary. Hurt. Lost. But wouldn't inflict suffering on what they have left. The voicework in this game was phenominal.
This is my favorite part of the game, mainly because it’s right after kratos and Atreus find the spark to fight again after broks death, while also learning to accept eachother as equals. They have the best chemistry when they’re working together, listening to eachothers plans and both taking the lead when needed. It’s the dynamic both games have been leading to seen for the first time, and I love it.
The next game with arteus is most likely going to go into this deeper and him learning that his goal and giant visions might not always be the right thing todo. Arteus plans to find other giants… what if they are content in their new lands? Most likely it’ll play a pivotal role in his character development.
When Surtr talk about the fire the blades are made of and kratos said there not form these lands it proved something I always thought that what the same source of magic, power or whatever you call it is the same all over the god it just each land has a different name for it and use it in different ways
I love the conversation so much, Surtr looks tired, didn’t waste his stamina to explain the lores or the story, just straight to the point. You do this, it will create that which becomes the consequence of those, come, let’s get this shit over with.
I think the reason surtur was laughing after kratos stabbed him was because it work, he new he was going to become ragnarok so sinmara would survive, I think he was happy that they didn’t have to sacrifice her
I don't know, I think Sinmara would be willing to fuse with Surtr had she been asked. It'd actually be kind of romantic: the last thing they'll ever do is finally be together. With this plan, though, Sinmara is left all alone, and grief combined with survivor's guilt is one hell of a brutal combination.
That's the hard part of loving. 7:16 It's like he said here, killing himself is easy for him, but seeing any harm come to her is something that's simply impossibly painful to him. Love is selfish because of that, since he'd rather see her alive in grief, than dead.
More or less the theory of this situation. Surtr told them to kick rocks because he felt all they were interested in was combining him and Sinmara. But, it appears Surtr already had the idea that if he could put the primordial flame in a sword he could create Ragnarok stabbing himself. Which is why he was forging blades and just throwing them away. Surtr seeing that the blades of chaos could withstand that is why he changed is mind.
Actually Aries wanted use Kratos to kill many more powerfuk beints at first, not only barbarian. Kratos was Aries slave. As he said "i wanted make you powerful warrior" or something more.
Kratos really has grown a lot--completely understanding Surtr's refusal to merge with Sinmara because he won't sacrifice someone he loves; then, when Surtr realizes there may be a third option, Kratos is fully cooperative but still hesitant to follow his instructions to stab Surtr's heart because he doesn't like killing and is trying to square the circle of killing someone who WANTS to be killed by him (with the Blades of Chaos, no less).
I think it’s the line “I will become your monster” that resonates with Kratos. I think he said something along those lines to Athena’s specter in the previous game.
3:45 I love Surtur's little smirk there. It's easy to miss, but after he says "What have I got to live for?" he gives Atreus a smile. Dude isn't even mad that Atreus was right about him having nothing to live for here
It funny, everyone talked about how you could not change fate, how it is always meant to be, Surtr refused that path, he spent thousands if not a million years, trying to escape it grasp, making blade after blade, failing time and time again, trying save the love of his life, depression taking hold, knowing he most likely never will be able to. Then out of nowhere, a strange man, with pale skin, offers him that chance, the chance to break fate, to save love of his life. You can see the moment he was truly happy, 10:11 , after all this pain, after all this suffering, he did what no one could, he defied fate and won. The pain meant nothing, he beat the path and was rewarded with it.
Notice how Surtr's just yellow metal and fire the further you get from Sinmara's heart. I think his real form looks a *LOT* stronger when he has his fire heart.
Nah. Orkos, son of Ares and Alectos of the Furies, asked Kratos to stab and murder him as he was the oathkeeper of Kratos’s eternal servitude to Ares. By killing him, it severed his oath to the god of war
"But the prophecy says you TWO have to combine." Well, guess who is going to either sacrifice herself or be killed and absorbed into the blade by the next series? RIP Sinmara
@@DavidGonzalez-zl3dz You think brevity is the same as lack of depth in vocabulary. That's the type of fans they want: those who can't see their limitations.
what a true masterpiece of a game, its magically perfect, a shame not everyone sees how perfect this game is, even the last one, definitely deserved game of the year! this deserved more, everything is so well put togeter, it feels almost too real to be a game, the characters are historically, and emotionally realistic, its like you gave a godly thing a information of the story how it went , and they perfectly constructed every single moment, its too well made that not everyone understands what im saying
i love the subtle touch of ice aroun Suturs shoulders, the heart causing that to form, and it is noticable even before he reveals Sinmara's heart. The Devs thought of everything
5:40 I think the joke here is that universe after the "Big bang" was super hot, and since Surtr is the titan of everything that's very hot he thought it was "loud".
> be sutr > crafting weapons like you are grinding a stat in runescape > sick looking dude shows up > it be mutha fucking kratos > he got the blades of chaos > know whats up > willingly let yourself (or that heart) get stabbed > take the pain like an actual chad > fall into the void
A nature of a weapon is defined not by its uses but how its used. Blades of chaos once a symbol of kratos's pain and vengeance upon the greek pantheon, now a weapon that became instrumental in saving the entire norse pantheon and a step towards his redemption I wish one day kratos will have an emotional scene with his blades of chaos or some form of closure with it in future on a peaceful note
With a flick of a wrist, Surtr showed how effortlessly he could own them both if he needed to and with a piercing comparison, was able to convince Kratos that what he is asking is an impossible deal.
so basically if I'm right.. then hephaestus is one hell of a smith!? Primordial flames are clearly type of flames that could burn anything just like the eternal flame of greeks... meaning hephaestus was able to make 2 object that could withstand these kinds of flame?! first was the box of pandora and the next is blade of chaos? enlighten me if I'm wrong I'm really curious on what could actually destroy these blade of chaos aside from Zeus's full power..
The blades of Chaos were forged in the darkest depths of the underworld. Hephaestus did not create them, though he did craft the Nemesis whip for Kratos
@@haustyl12 yea and I've read that it was Hephaestus who forged it.. who else could.. it is said that ares commissioned him to make the blade of chaos..
Where did it say that? Because the only context the games stated that they were forged in the deepest depths of the underworld. Not to mention when you meet Hephaestus, he never once mentions being the creator of the blades.
@@haustyl12 Hephaestus did forge them, that much is said in the GoW 1 Novel. It draws power from Chaos itself and wields Tartarus fire. It can be surely assumed that Ares also added his touch tho, as the God of War. Like Athena did with the Blades of Exile.
“I didn’t know he was chill like that” - Everyone’s reaction to Surtr
Right. He looks like a demon, but his voice isn't gutteral and his personality isn't threatening. Can't judge a book by its cover, as the saying goes.
If he had a deep imposing voice he would appear to be a serious and threatening guy, but with his actual voice he looks like the chill old man that everyone liked. Amazing how a change in voice can change how you perceive a character and their design
I like to think Sinmara's heart is the reason for that. Her cold heart calmed his fiery rage, and his burning heart brought a warmth to her that even the icy winds of Niflheim could not pierce.
@@MichaelTheReadFuck that’s poetic.
@@MichaelTheRead what are you? Shakespeare? Now i think about it, what the fuck is a Shakespeare?
“Have you ever been in love? It’s pretty good”
Man what a simple but effective response.
“Fewer words, bigger impact” seems most everyone in the 9 realms know that’s true lmao
indeed, the delivery on "it's pretty good." is golden, laden with emotion and understanding, like those same words would have a much lesser impact were they spoken by another whom was not so experienced.
Grecians enjoyed finer civilization by their standards. Kratos and the Spartans were very suited for the Norse Realms, instead. Where they say less and punch more.
Surtr is a simp lol
@@fuckel98 I love how he says “It’s pretty good”. It’s like he’s saying I can’t believe I have to tell this to you, like of course I’m not going to help you and it’s ridiculous you even asked. All wrapped up in 3 simple words
"But I won't sacrifice her any more than you would him" I like how Kratos didn't utter another word and was actually ready to leave
Yup, agreed. Man understood inmediately what he was asking of Surtr, and it shows how much he's grown and developed that he realized he couldn't possibly subject another being to that kind of pain.
@@estebanpineros9409
Probably reminded him of Hephestus protecting Pandora.
I like that quick “sorry” from Surtr. He could tell he ticked off Kratos just by the very idea of sacrificing Atreus.
@@charleshammer7984 yea, he wasn't trying to be mean, just trying to get his point across.
"Understandable. Have a good day."
I like how surtr is this jaded old man who's too tired to give anymore than 10% in a conversation
totally
When you lived since the moment of the universe was created you would be very bored and don't care as much
I also loved the fact that despite being an ancient being, he speaks in the common tongue, instead of an ancient unknown language. He also speaks in a frank, familiar way, instead of in riddles or in a vague/poetic way.
Relatable
@@benprint7615I'm sure he did all of those at one point too but yeah I'm guessing he gave up on all of that
You can tell how much Kratos and Surtur understand one another. Two very old and weary men, who can't be bothered with long conversation anymore, and that will do anything to protect the ones they love; everyone else be damned.
That’s honestly an interesting parallel I never really noticed until now.
lol except kratos is a kid compared to surtr
@@g.6582it’s about mental age, not physically age
There both of the same mindset “ let’s dispense with the bulshit brother, time to do what must be done for our loved ones”
@@g.6582both are thousands of years old so ig it's all the same
The most painful part for Surtr wasn't getting stabbed in the heart. It was stabbing Sinmara's heart, the last piece he has of her.
Tearful words, man😭😭😭😭😭😭
Fun fact: Sinmara is described as being the consort of Surtr but the wife of Mimir.
@@Gargoyle364 and loki got pregnant, I doubt something like that would happen
@@dzaesonp8599 got pregnant by a horse*
@@nemesisprime9888wait, Loki was the original Mr Hands?
Surtr being a totally reasonable dude. Not looking for a fight, or trying to force anyone to do anything... that's a surprise, and brilliantly done.
one might say that he is calm and reasonable
@@EirPlenis he a calm a reasonable person?
@@joelnascimento9866If the moment calls for, calm.
Thats why Kratos was surprised why this was too easy?
@@MMerajHossain that, and the fact that Odin didn't do anything to stop them from the beginning either. Odin probably was so sure Surtur wasn't willing to sacrifice his wife and they'd never get Ragnarok so he didn't care until the ritual was done.
The Blades being the substitute of the Weapon surtur was destined to make. The Blades that killed the last pantheon saved this one
The Destroyer of Olympus became the Champion of the Giants
the monster that destroyed greece became the hero the nine (eight) realms deserved.
Except for one hiccup - Kratos used Blades of Chaos only in GOW1. In GOW2 these were Blades of Athena and in GOW3 he had Blades of Exile. And weirdly all three of them looked and acted exactly the same way.
But for some reason BoC were the ones constantly returning to Kratos after the GOW3. Why didn't they return to him in the same way after cheating death in GOW2 or falling into Styx in GOW3?
@@BadassHater1Blade of Exile was modified Blade of Athena after the latter lost its light twice, first time, due to Zeus taking away Kratos' Divinity, the second time, the straying souls in Stynx river ate away its remaining power. Wasn't the Blade of Exile broken in the last battle against Zeus or something. Or maybe Blade of Athena was modified Blade of Chaos. After all, Blade of Athena was just the holy version of Blade of Chaos.
The weapons that took Kratos's wife from him, allowed Surtr to save his own.
@@BadassHater1 Athena brought the original blades, the ones that killed his family, back, and cursed Kratos to be forever bound to them. Picking the Blades of Chaos is just extra curse points.
Hephaestus had some serious skill in that he forged those blades not only in depths of Tartarus itself but with primordial fire to such peerless craftsmanship they survived two apocalypses entirely unscathed. It's kind of Kratos's greatest blessing and curse in that they'll never fail him but they'll always be there to remind him of his past.
The blades were forged by Ares not Hephaestus
@@nartinjo The novel confirmed that Hephaestus forged them. This is the exact statement:
"His signature weapons, the Blades of Chaos, had been forged by the smith god Hephaestus in the furnaces of Hades itself."
Those blades were made by Athena. At least their power was.
@@vksasdgaming9472 The blades of Athena were made by Athena, the blades of Chaos were commissioned by Athena but made by Hephaestus in the forge of Hades.
@@GhostOfSnuffles Blades of Chaos were given to Kratos by Ares. He also took them away. Then he got Blades of Athena that were remade as Blades of The Exile and those are what Kratos now wields.
Love how he says "Put those in here" but waits until Kratos tries to say "Not here". He was this close to just getting shanked needlessly.
I'm pretty sure Kratos is an ant to Surtr who blasted them away with barely a wrist flick. He probably has 0 fear of conflict because he's milleniums-years-old with unfathomable primordial strength. If he didn't want Kratos to touch him, Kratos absolutely could not touch him.
@@oklafornia3643 the whole previous pantheon said pretty much the same and look where that got them...
@@giornikitop5373 none of the previous pantheon were literally so old they remember the big bang. Even Zues was like 3rd-generation born-into-the-already-functioning-world God after the primordials and Kronos.
@@oklafornia3643"None of them were old" Kronos and Atlas seem pretty old to me dude
@@dogfellow3848 No doubt they're very old but the whole theming with Surtr is different. He's theoretically older than the primordial beings you see Zeus battling with in the cutscene at the beginning of GOW Ascension. His character is meant to represent timeless power that's so depressed from love and conflict and resigned to eternally preparing for ragnarok that he's no threat by his own melancholy choice.
If it came to conflict that Surtr actually cared about or at least hadne't seen 100,000 times already, he'd likely just....reach out, grab Kratos, and crush him, like you would dispassionately kill a moth. The point is, we're waaaaaay past that and Surtr's mind is a numb, blank slate of emotion.
Past Kratos would have had a boss fight with him the moment he said no
And he would’ve lost surtr was the strongest being in the game it would’ve took Thor and Odin combined to come close to beating him
@@keandregreen5628 wouldn't be enough but yes, it would be the same as fighting Nyx more or less. Kratos would have lost, he might put a resistance but the end result would be all the same
@@keandregreen5628 they both will die blowing up planet in process
surtr is a primordial
Past Kratos was a bit of a dickhole, remember. This one understands Surtr and his choice.
1:54 Surtr's line delivery, so subtle but so good.
It's pretty good
It’s pretty good
"Youre pretty good"
It's pretty good.
0:29 I recognize that movement lol. Heard a Raven and immediately went, “Where the hell is that slippery little bastard?”
I never found the bastard, so I said they'll all get their's.
I like this expansion on the lore of the Blades. They were forged from something so ancient and primal that they keep their power no matter where they go. Freya said that magik comes from the land, and it makes sense that as the Greek deities died all of Kratos' Greek magiks went with them, but these Blades kept their power even after all that.
I really hope they keep this series going. I get the feeling we haven't begun to see everything The Blades of Chaos are capable of.
I fully headcannon that thanks to the whole "kratos was post to be one of the three Wisemen" and that Jesus is real, that God made the primordial stuff and let's it do it's thing out of pure Boredom or strategic planning, now that's an idea have God be like kratos, old, tired, but also has,is, and will seen/seeing everything, even more then any another, just have God seem like a friendly but tired old man for like most of the game, and have lets say atreus be in grave danger and God just shrugging and erasing the threat and go back to what ever he was doing
The interesting detail on another Weapon is the Blade of Olympus "Forged by the Heavens and The Earth" (No mythological underworld, no mythological Elysium) I genuinely am surprised about this detail
I think it doesn't matter what realm it is - all contain the essential, primordial elements - and the blades were forged in the pure, primal fire.
@@theenderdestruction2362 Your headcannon is garbage, lol.
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Surtr's design is really fascinating. While his skin looks like hardened lava, his skeleton seems to be made of bronze in the style of nordic knotwork, almost like he is a construct
Right, it’s like he’s an avatar
That voice actor's choice was insanely good. Of course he'd be chill after being there since the beginning.
To Defy Fate and overcome the "Order of things," The Blades of Chaos were needed.
Defying order is the very definition of Chaos
Ah, but of course. Order and chaos go hand in hand with one another! Just... Depends on wether you make a good or bad choice to dictate which you'll get.
Ah but sheogorath would be so proud
Surtr is an amazing char
Also love how Kratos doesnt arugue and understands totally. young Kratos wouldve forced them to fuse, old Kratos understands things far better now. Mimir may be the smartest man in the world, but Kratos is the wisest. The sad thing is they probally didnt need Surtur...
Young kratos would brutally dragged them kicking and screaming into each other.
They didn't necessarily need surtr, but Ragnarok needed to be made in order to destroy Asgard.
@@willardkestila6465 but younger Kratos would have believed the first option of fusing them to be easiest and forced them together, like how he forced a dude to open the bridge to the oracle and slam his face into a boom if he resisted
@@thelegosmithy161 yeah, younger kratos would, but this *isn't* younger kratos, this is older kratos
@@willardkestila6465 Did it though? Did the realm itself have to actually be destroyed or would have taken down odin have made the same point? Throughout the entire final Battle Ragnarok is actually nothing but an inconvenience and a problem to deal with.
"I got her heart. She's got mine. It's not much. But it's enough."
SO MANY wise and cynical characters out there and Surtr achieved to surprise me with how simple he was.
Huh... parallel I just noticed. Surtr and Haephestus. Both smiths that assist Kratos, then use their respective element on him, only to then be killed by him. The difference is that Surtr did it with consent and warning, as a precondition to his help; while Haephestus offered his aid first, only to later reveal it was a betrayal and attempt to kill Kratos.
Similarities and differences.
Constants and variables.
heads or tails
Hermes and Heimdall, both annoying little pricks, Hermes ran from Kratos and Heimdall went Head on with Kratos. But still both are little shits and arrogant as they come and specially filled with just enough ego to get killed by Kratos
Didnt Heph only want to kill Kratos because he knew that Kratos would not think twice about killing Pandora(his daughter) when the time came in order to acquire the power to kill Zeus.
@@rustycookiepekka6875I feel like killing Heph was kratos’s first ever step on actually seeing his consequence as a revenger. Look how he was understanding of Heph’s reaction when he rescues pandora and he finally realized what a father would do to save his child. He even tried to prevent pandora from killing herself for the box cause deep down, you know that fatherly instinct kicked in and that’s when you knew Heph got to him. Even when you first meet him when he says “you were once a father too.”
I'm not gonna sacrifice her any more than your willing to do him kratos felt that he had to walk away
You're
what
@@pigeonrat5522 Hearing “I’m not gonna sacrifice her, any more than you’re willing to [sacrifice] him.”
Basically he said “Would you sacrifice your kid for this? No? Yeah, I’m not sacrificing my wife for the same reason.”
Kratos knew at that point that he might as well leave, because he knows that’s an unshakable “No.”
Yeah he wanted to go cry in the corner because of his fabulous character development
Right
you can really hear the joy in his voice when he knows its working and he has saved the one he loves from dying, no longer caring about the pain of being stabbed at all
so Surtr doesn't want to combine with Sinmara, because it would kill her, but by being stabbed with Blades of Chaos is like a cheat for combining so that Sinmara wouldn't have to die?
yup. I mean he's got her heart, so in a way they're already combined, just needed the spark
Yh sinmaras heart is made of primordial ice and kratos’ blades were forged in the by Tartarus fire the Greek primordial god of inferno so combine the primordial sinmara ice with the primordial tartarus fire and surtr at the catalyst you get ragnarok, essentially they swapped surtrs fire for tartarus’ fire
@@balocke2063 Exactly as he said. As it should be, kratos being present during all this is really fucking up the flow of events and allows for several different alternatives.
@@balocke2063 They didn't swap Surtur's fire for Tartarus fire, Surtur's fire specifically was used. He checked the blades to confirm that they held primordial fire within them but the origin of that fire didn't matter because that fire wasn't going to be used. The important thing was the blades were CAPABLE of containing primordial fire at all, which meant that they could contain HIS OWN primordial fire. He then imbued the blades with HIS OWN primordial fire at timepoint 3:09 and confirms that's what he did at timepoint 8:06 when he says, "Your dad's now got MY fire in those blades."
@@TheRealRightPrice that just opens up the totally different question of, (lore-wise) does that mean the blades are now capable of reaching maximum power again/a new variation of their max? Or was all the fire surtr put in them, depleted when used? 🤷♂️ would be cool if it stacked and gave them another new form since excluding the change to a Norse aesthetic, they remained the standard old school blades. Hopefully the next game touches on that
I love this interpretation of a primordial being not overly dramatic but just tired and to the point
Surtr was a cool dude who should have been in the game longer, not his lore just his entire acting was perfect.
Still can't believe Surtr is voiced by same guy who played Go Go on Sons of Anarchy. Dude has range
Isn’t Thor’s VA also from sons of Anarchy?
@@CollinMcLean yeup he played Opie and was fucking great in the role
@@kodychesireThey're both fantastic.
@@kodychesireI was literally just talking about Opie with my female co-workers at work the other day and it should surprise no one to learn that he was by consensus the office favourite.
The blades of chaos were most likely made from the power of its namesake chaos the first Greek primordial being
Pretty sure the first game stated aries forge the blades himself in the pits of Tartarus
That's why the fire is primordial. The Greek and Norse realms (save Greece and Midgard) each came from the same astral void.
@@ishmaelpierson7681 yes true, but further below Tartarus in the darkest pits is chaos the shapeless void similar to Ginnungagap being in the darkest pits of Musphelheim
Raw chaos is the source of the primordial gods, NOT a being! The primordial gods CAME from chaos, they are NOT it...
@@kjelljohanbraten7408 In the Greek mythos you can interpret Chaos as whatever you like since it is the first of everything its form doesn't matter, the void or the very first primordial god it doesn't matter, heck Chaos might even be both.
After an eternity of forging a sword strong enough to channel his primordial fire, a Greek God did it like it was an average Tuesday. Well, at least Surtr has a wife that actually loves him. Aphrodite literally slept with half of Greece. And I’m low balling that.
My theory is that he wasnt just looking for a sword that could hold his fire, but a sword that could hold his fire without Sinmara naturally tempering it with her cold. He was looking for a way to do Ragnarok without involving her.
Wasn't it Ares who forged the Blades of Chaos?
The Blades of Chaos were forged by gods with access to basically everything in the entire Greek mythos, including stuff in Tartarus and, presumably, bits of Chaos itself. Also, Surtr wasn't a god of smithing, but a being of primordial fire. He literally had just metal, heat, and rocks to work with, and no one to teach him.
@@sapnilmostafiz760The game mentions that Ares forged them, but the novelization says that Hephaestus forged them. The latter makes more sense.
@@sapnilmostafiz760 It was Hephestaus, on Ares request. Then the blades were taken back by Ares, only for "new" exactly the same, blades to be given by another god. Almost like they were the exact same ones, but renamed.
It's rather unsettling that the blades didn't melt. The story implications in this scene seem to suggest that the craftsman who made the blades of chaos used primordial fire to forge them. Which may also explain why the blades can be upgraded, but not destroyed, by the various pantheons... It pre-dates all their magic and forging techniques.
It's entirely possible that the blades themselves may be revealed, in a later story, to have been a completely different weapon at some point. Possibly broken into smaller pieces and scattered across the pantheonic realms. With the final tale of God of War being about the blades first owner looking to reforge the first iteration from it's broken pieces.
Blades of Chaos is literally forged by Ares himself
@@cjvipinosa3328you’re right, and wrong at the same time. In the novelized version of God of War, the blades were forged by Hephaestus, but in the game they were forged by Ares. Pretty weird ngl.
@@Y4ng_Oso well yeah Hephaestus did forge it but i think the guy was talking about how Surtr felt the primordial fires within the blade since it was Ares himself who forged iy
Or the blades weren’t made by any Olympian god, maybe Hephaestus just found them somewhere any lied about making it.
Or simply reshaped a piece of strangely primordialy potent metal.
The way Surtr delivers "Have you ever been in love? Its pretty good." is so pure.
You can sense that he is saying it not with longing or melancholy, but with what he feels in that moment. Having her heart really is enough to make him happy right down to the core. Thats fantastic VA right there
I love how after he says monster Kratos looks at atreus like "Oh no"
i liked that Surtr and Kratons understood eachother. Both weary. Hurt. Lost. But wouldn't inflict suffering on what they have left.
The voicework in this game was phenominal.
This is my favorite part of the game, mainly because it’s right after kratos and Atreus find the spark to fight again after broks death, while also learning to accept eachother as equals. They have the best chemistry when they’re working together, listening to eachothers plans and both taking the lead when needed. It’s the dynamic both games have been leading to seen for the first time, and I love it.
I agree, this dynamic is a big part of why I like modern God of War so much.
Bro this game is a masterpiece. Here I am nearly 3 years later, randomly watching clips on a whim and still getting goosebumps every single time.
They made him such a sweetheart. I wasn't expecting to be moved by surtr of all beings.
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He’s becoming more like Loki everyday using everyone to get what he wants not thinking of anyone but himself and his own goals
yep i'd tell them both to get lost lol
The next game with arteus is most likely going to go into this deeper and him learning that his goal and giant visions might not always be the right thing todo. Arteus plans to find other giants… what if they are content in their new lands? Most likely it’ll play a pivotal role in his character development.
@@tjyoyo3 I am pretty sure the next God of War game will move to a different land with different mythology.
@@Wasserkaktus Egypt here we come.
@@kaelkirkby9191 nah I wanna see Kratos fuck up Wukong
for a fire guys he sure is chill.
His heart was as cold as ice.
I like how Surtr is just chill as fuck for a Fire Giant. Hes not even angry when Atreus said all that mad shit.
When Surtr talk about the fire the blades are made of and kratos said there not form these lands it proved something I always thought that what the same source of magic, power or whatever you call it is the same all over the god it just each land has a different name for it and use it in different ways
Like a "Source of All Things" kinda thing? Can be that way
I’m sure there’s slight differences since it was said no flame could be in Helheim and blades worked due to not being of those lands
I get Nicholas Cage/Keanu Reeves vibes when i hear Surtr talk.
Oh my God same. He has Nicholas Cage’s voice but Keanu Reeves’ personality
@@kryptonianotaku4975 lol for real
I was thinking Jeff Bridges.
Respectfully no
@@patrickradcliffe3837 i hear that too actually
I love how this thousands of years old creature just goes "It's pretty good"
Kratos: winds up
Surtr: not here. Follow me.
Kratos almost started it right on the spot XD
well, he has years of experience shanking beings with those...
8:32 that is the smoothest transition into a cutscene I've ever seen, even for god of war
God of War presents the game all in one take, with no cuts at all. The devs intended the transitions to be as seamless as possible.
I love the conversation so much, Surtr looks tired, didn’t waste his stamina to explain the lores or the story, just straight to the point. You do this, it will create that which becomes the consequence of those, come, let’s get this shit over with.
surtr seems like a calm and reasonable person
I think the reason surtur was laughing after kratos stabbed him was because it work, he new he was going to become ragnarok so sinmara would survive, I think he was happy that they didn’t have to sacrifice her
I don't know, I think Sinmara would be willing to fuse with Surtr had she been asked. It'd actually be kind of romantic: the last thing they'll ever do is finally be together.
With this plan, though, Sinmara is left all alone, and grief combined with survivor's guilt is one hell of a brutal combination.
The only thing left of Surtr she has is his heart.
I think surtr just wanted her to keep on living, sucks it has to be without him but at least he knew that she is safe and has a piece of him
That's the hard part of loving.
7:16 It's like he said here, killing himself is easy for him, but seeing any harm come to her is something that's simply impossibly painful to him. Love is selfish because of that, since he'd rather see her alive in grief, than dead.
Okay Kratos being like elaborate and surtr just throwing the sword over his shoulder had my snickering
More or less the theory of this situation.
Surtr told them to kick rocks because he felt all they were interested in was combining him and Sinmara. But, it appears Surtr already had the idea that if he could put the primordial flame in a sword he could create Ragnarok stabbing himself. Which is why he was forging blades and just throwing them away. Surtr seeing that the blades of chaos could withstand that is why he changed is mind.
Blades of Chaos:"fuck, not again hate these"
Leviathan axe:"like this one"
Drauphnir spear:"YAES"
The character design in those games is something else.
Surtr seems like a cool dude.
Albeit definitely not literally.
would smoke with him
well he's got a cold heart of course he'll be chill xD
Chris Browning did a SUPERB job voice acting this character. PROPS!
Aries really gave Kratos ridiculously op primordial weapons to kill a simple barbarian when they first struck a deal.
For real
Actually Aries wanted use Kratos to kill many more powerfuk beints at first, not only barbarian. Kratos was Aries slave. As he said "i wanted make you powerful warrior" or something more.
Kratos really has grown a lot--completely understanding Surtr's refusal to merge with Sinmara because he won't sacrifice someone he loves; then, when Surtr realizes there may be a third option, Kratos is fully cooperative but still hesitant to follow his instructions to stab Surtr's heart because he doesn't like killing and is trying to square the circle of killing someone who WANTS to be killed by him (with the Blades of Chaos, no less).
Its not technically killing Sultr. It's turning him into Ragnarok. Being Ragnarok is what kills him really
I think it’s the line “I will become your monster” that resonates with Kratos. I think he said something along those lines to Athena’s specter in the previous game.
you havent mastered the art of being chill/zen till Kratos tells you to elaborate
3:45
I love Surtur's little smirk there. It's easy to miss, but after he says "What have I got to live for?" he gives Atreus a smile. Dude isn't even mad that Atreus was right about him having nothing to live for here
The hardest part about this is hearing Sinmara crying desperately in her realm afterwards
and they say romance is dead. Bro gave her his heart and hers for him.
Have you saw how Sinmara heart beats faster as Surtr sees the Blades?
1:43 Compare this.
2:57 With this.
3:25 And this.
Primordial koolaid be hitting Surtr hard
9:16 I don't know why I never noticed this, but Surtr wasn't reacting to the burning, he was reacting to the freezing cold from Sinmara's heart.
I seen this exact comment on another video😭if you want likes just say that you weird ahh buster
@@vincentgonzales3312and it could've been a different person, weirdo.
It funny, everyone talked about how you could not change fate, how it is always meant to be, Surtr refused that path, he spent thousands if not a million years, trying to escape it grasp, making blade after blade, failing time and time again, trying save the love of his life, depression taking hold, knowing he most likely never will be able to. Then out of nowhere, a strange man, with pale skin, offers him that chance, the chance to break fate, to save love of his life.
You can see the moment he was truly happy, 10:11 , after all this pain, after all this suffering, he did what no one could, he defied fate and won. The pain meant nothing, he beat the path and was rewarded with it.
Well he didn't and also this is game bear that in mind
Yeah I just realized in that moment that fate was broken
Notice how Surtr's just yellow metal and fire the further you get from Sinmara's heart. I think his real form looks a *LOT* stronger when he has his fire heart.
God, I love Surtr's whole demeanor and voice actor.
Kratos now :
Surtr :"i dont want to help you"
Kratos : "ok"
Kratos then
Surtr: "i wont help"
Kratos :"you wont deny my vengeance.!"
I read that with his younger, angsty voice 😂
one of the best moment of GOW ragnarok i love surtur character so much he is so powerful but so chill
i think this actually might be the first time someone has ASKED Kratos to stab them
Nah. Orkos, son of Ares and Alectos of the Furies, asked Kratos to stab and murder him as he was the oathkeeper of Kratos’s eternal servitude to Ares. By killing him, it severed his oath to the god of war
Do I have to?....Aphrodite....
Mimir too
@@haustyl12 To be fair, it's not like many people has seen Ascension
@@LordCantalo
Kratos gave her His Thrusting Power. She loved every second of it. 😂😂😂
"But the prophecy says you TWO have to combine."
Well, guess who is going to either sacrifice herself or be killed and absorbed into the blade by the next series?
RIP Sinmara
"Have you ever been in love? It's pretty good." Why does his voice and his tone make that sound a thousand times better?
“Have you ever been in love? It’s pretty good”
Top writing right there. An old as time being talking like a 21st century teenager.
Being able to make your point in as few words as possible is a very rare gift
I mean, he’s not wrong. Being in love can be the most complex thing to describe, but sometimes the simple answer is the best one
Brevity is a gift very few are born with. Sad you can't appreciate a statement without it being full of purple prose
@@DavidGonzalez-zl3dz You think brevity is the same as lack of depth in vocabulary.
That's the type of fans they want: those who can't see their limitations.
@@halfadeaty Think what you want. You're obviously /so/ right
Seeing Kratos not outright demanding and threatening when told not to but instead walking away shows how far he's improved and matured
If you look at the arms of Kratos, spartan rage enters to hold on here, Surtr shows how strong he is even in his own state
Those blades have bathed in the blood of many foes and god alike. Soaking in battle and death
4:11 kratos like “the fuck you say to me”
Judging from where he lives he is a chill dude
Kratos being confused about someone requesting to be stabbed is great.
what a true masterpiece of a game,
its magically perfect,
a shame not everyone sees how perfect this game is,
even the last one,
definitely deserved game of the year!
this deserved more,
everything is so well put togeter,
it feels almost too real to be a game,
the characters are historically, and emotionally realistic,
its like you gave a godly thing a information of the story how it went ,
and they perfectly constructed every single moment,
its too well made that not everyone understands what im saying
Kratos looks so blue balled when told to not stab just yet.
i love the subtle touch of ice aroun Suturs shoulders, the heart causing that to form, and it is noticable even before he reveals Sinmara's heart. The Devs thought of everything
5:40 I think the joke here is that universe after the "Big bang" was super hot, and since Surtr is the titan of everything that's very hot he thought it was "loud".
Kratos to the Blades: I fucking hate them
The Norse Gods to the Blades: That's the coolest fucking shit I've ever seen
Absolutely love how laid back surtr is
"You were here at the beginning of everything, how was it" - "Sorry bro, no spoils".
> be sutr
> crafting weapons like you are grinding a stat in runescape
> sick looking dude shows up
> it be mutha fucking kratos
> he got the blades of chaos
> know whats up
> willingly let yourself (or that heart) get stabbed
> take the pain like an actual chad
> fall into the void
Kratos being hit with his own trademark Laconicism from someone else to the point where even he has to say “Elaborate” will never not be funny
A nature of a weapon is defined not by its uses but how its used. Blades of chaos once a symbol of kratos's pain and vengeance upon the greek pantheon, now a weapon that became instrumental in saving the entire norse pantheon and a step towards his redemption
I wish one day kratos will have an emotional scene with his blades of chaos or some form of closure with it in future on a peaceful note
I love how the way he walks and talks and everything is just, normal. Not eccentric or quirky
"Have you ever been in love? It's pretty good."
Until it isn't.
Truth to that.
1:55
*"have you... ever been in love? IT'S PRETTY GOOD!"*
~SURTR
That guys so dead inside its impressive. He is actually what you would expect of somebody whos that old
With a flick of a wrist, Surtr showed how effortlessly he could own them both if he needed to and with a piercing comparison, was able to convince Kratos that what he is asking is an impossible deal.
Man I thought when he touched those blades it was going to give you some cool power up or something. It didn’t give you Jack shizz
Didn't they get a buff when he walked up, or some kind of unlocked upgrade? That Chaos Flame thing?
@@logicplague I believe u get a chaos flame, but only after you beat those Valkyries.
Surtur really love Sinmara so much, and sacrifice himself to protect her
Dang kratos had to stab orkos... chop of mimirs head.. and stab this dude ... and none of those dude are his enemies!
To be fair they all asked for it, literally
@@samwilsoncaptainamerica233 hey that is one hell of a good point. Kratos cannot catch a break lol
2:35 😳 noticing the BLADES OF CHAOS!
*wait, those blades...*
You turned around to look for one of odins crows 😂 that damn crow was hard to find too
For a fire Giant He's surprisingly chill
"Have you been in love?"
Loki: No, but I'll fu*k a horse if that counts.
According to mythology, it was actually the other way around.
so basically if I'm right.. then hephaestus is one hell of a smith!? Primordial flames are clearly type of flames that could burn anything just like the eternal flame of greeks... meaning hephaestus was able to make 2 object that could withstand these kinds of flame?! first was the box of pandora and the next is blade of chaos? enlighten me if I'm wrong I'm really curious on what could actually destroy these blade of chaos aside from Zeus's full power..
The blades of Chaos were forged in the darkest depths of the underworld. Hephaestus did not create them, though he did craft the Nemesis whip for Kratos
@@haustyl12 yea and I've read that it was Hephaestus who forged it.. who else could.. it is said that ares commissioned him to make the blade of chaos..
Where did it say that? Because the only context the games stated that they were forged in the deepest depths of the underworld. Not to mention when you meet Hephaestus, he never once mentions being the creator of the blades.
I say Blades of Chaos is powerful than Blades of Olympus.
@@haustyl12 Hephaestus did forge them, that much is said in the GoW 1 Novel.
It draws power from Chaos itself and wields Tartarus fire. It can be surely assumed that Ares also added his touch tho, as the God of War. Like Athena did with the Blades of Exile.