Also love how she despises Bhaal and Bhaalists and especially bhaalspawns for "only killing mindlessly" but hates if you reject your mindless killing urge🙃
@@Parrotcat Except you arent. It is you who still gets to decide whether the Brain lives or dies. Bhaal can turn you batshit insane, maybe briefly use you as his Avatar but thats where his meddling with mortal affairs ends
Jesus Christ... it seems Minthara gets buggier with each update they release. Larian should start giving her proper attention and release a patch focused on fixing her bugs properly.
I feel like we need a Wyll and Minthara specific update where it just gives us more to their characters, more dialogue and bug fixes and character building, + more dialogue for Halsin, Jaheira, and Minsc because they feel incredibly lackluster during fight scenes
She sadly ruined a playthrough for me. Everyone began targeting her for the crime of "wrong place" if I had to guess it was carried over from Moonrise towers whete she couldn't roam alone.
It isnt a bug. She does say that if you refuse bhaal is to refuse godhood, and you will loose her. Now she just follows on this warning. If its out of character its another matter
Hotfix 21 fixed the emperor bug for me. Then she starts talking about how Elminster telling Gale to blow himself up is insane. Not as insane as the fact that Gale is still stuck inside a rock in act 1 without a hand and we haven't met Elminster.
Minthara is soo buggy, it's kind of hilarious and sad at the same time; she's one of the most compelling companions to me but she only ever talks about the emperor.
She also does this about recruiting Minsc. :/ She says to you that she hates to admit it, but Minsc would be a strong ally and we should recruit him, but then when you actually do it, she disapproves.
@@MegaRockinT It's hard to get Minthara's approval because she doesn't even know what she wants. Another example: she disapproves if you send her to the circus stage, but approves when she tells her drider joke. In her defense, it was a good pun. Oh, and boo at the clown, but applaud at his scarecrow joke. She hates clowns and loves puns, apparently.
"the angry stare of someone who broke up with you" 😂 I can't. We just have to accept that Minthara is a very complex character and can't make up her mind...
Okay so she’s just REALLY bugged 🙃 Look, I love Larian but they really need to stop releasing things like this in parts. They need to start releasing the WHOLE sequence all together at the same time cause this whole thing is, well, a mess. It’s good to know that my rejecting Bhaal Minthara romance run isn’t completely botched. Thanks for all the hard work! 🫡
"that's my discord not yours" - i was eating and looked up from my food like "who the hell is messaging me" 😆 also the end where you shove her had me choking 🤣
the two other ideas i had for the ending were: the romance scene neck snap or a compilation of all the instances where she's absolutely pitiful when you ask her torturers at moonrise to erase her while having romanced her in act 1 lol
I was wondering about this very thing thanks for the upload! It seems Minthara has a bit of hypocrisy in her. On one hand she wants someone who won't stab her in the back literally and emontially. On the other hand she's willing to stab the Durge in the back emotionally. Because if you think about it the Durges story is a redemption arc where they try to free themselves from the control of Bhaal. Then here comes Minthara in the Durges moment of triumph being free and she tells you to F yourself. Thus backstabbing durge emotionally. This makes a very good character imo, very much like real people. Be that uncertainty of decisions, changing their mind, saying something in the heat of the moment, etc.
I 100% agree with you, they could have integrated it in multiples ways that would have made sense, the emotional outburst is 100% in character in my opinion, and a breakup wouldn't even have had bothered me that much if you could call her out on her hypocrisy or if other arguments were used instead (cause someone breaking up with you because you dared to get your autonomy back but only being able to beg them to stay with you doesn't sit right with me, even more considering autonomy and freedom are something important to minthara). And a follow up conversation to sort the situation out/explain the outburst would add so much to her character, like, there's so much potential here, but sadly, the trend with minthara is buggy and/or missing content, so stuff like that is the likelier outcome.
For now, I'm just going to skip the cutscene and act like it didn't happen. Because, ultimately, she never breaks up with you, so if I skip it, it never existed.
Yes this is out of character and doesn't seem like it should happen. Bhaalist kill without a justifiable reason other than a narcotic addiction to murder. She may be a type of evil, but she doesn't like senseless slaughter. That being killings without something to gain from it. But they did remove the bug that she blurts out a spoiler for act 3 in act 2. But now she keeps talking about Gale blowing himself up to destroy the elderbrain and that he shouldn't until they learn more about it. But I have confidence that at some point they will solve the bugs with her. They seem to be pretty good at keeping up with the bugs so far. I have had a little more game crashes since the hotfix but they did another patch today that is probably for that.
when i first recruited minthara she mentioned something abt gale and elminster... despite him never being in my playthrough because I unintentionally amputated him...
Maybe it’s a bug or maybe there is another bug that is messing with a camp dialogue where you can just talk to her about your decision, there is definitely something not working as it should be
That's it unless I'm playing an evil character there's no point in recruiting minthara It'll take larian some more patches before they figure out how they can integrate her into a good playthrough.
Yeah... unfortunately that's true. It's taking more time than I expected for Larian to fix her bugs on good playthroughs, but I think that's because they don't give her proper attention. They make the patches without giving 2 shits if it's gonna break her or not. So, until they fix her for good I'm keeping lethal damage activated.
@@Heathen6671 Couldn't agree more I like playing as characters with well established roles in the story so I've been playing as durge since my second run.
at the end of the day, Minthara is smart and strong, but she is still evil and blinded by power. either that or it doesnt really make much sense for her to be pissed considering that she didnt want to be enslaved by a god, but then gets mad when you dont want to be. perhaps she cares only for herself truly and nobody else. as an evil character, it makes sense. but also she isnt mad when you dont enslave the brain so it kinda makes no sense in my opinion even if she is evil.
She is so inconsistence that become anoying, she love to talk shit about being a slave to others but every time she goes the other way around, i will never understand what was larian idea with her, but is not the first drow they shit on (rip viconia).
The thing with drowkinds of characters is that they hate being in a submissive position, not actual slavery. This is why I couldn't stand her from day 1. She has that vibe and Larian seems willing to play into it.
good point, but it'd be nice if 1. it felt actually deliberate and 2. was implemented fully/without bugs. i wouldn't even mind if they committed to the break up if it actually ended with a break up and i could tell her clearly "i did that to have agency over my own person, if you don't care, well the break up is mutual" instead of having the impression of being scolded like a kid only to be able to answer "but i'm not good i swear, it's just that i love you and i don't want to kill you 🥺" . Even before it actually got in the game, I've seen people saying they'd be okay with it on the condition they can argue with her instead of just be passive and desperate about it
First, I killed women and children who could barely help themselves. Then, I took gift from blood god, whom I rejected most of the game. Then, I had to kill an old woman who saved world 2 times and became my friend. Minthara is too…demanding XD
I am glad they removed this scene TBH as it made zero sense. If this was Bane we are talking, then it would bea different story. But Bhaal is all about control and destruction. Destruction of everything. Mindless bloodshed. Even when she discussed Orin, she said that the difference between her and Orin is that Orin wanted bloodshed and no power. But that is what Bhaal is about: pure bloodshed. That does not fit Minthara's theme, which is why it made ZERO sense for her to break up with you if you got rid of Bhaal.
it's half the point of the video, some people seemed skeptical when others told them she wasn't actually breaking up because you could still kiss her/were recognized as a couple by the drow twins, so i recorded the whole ass process to show you could still get your romanced epilogue. the other half is to show, let's say, the absurdity of the situation. why add a situation that pretty much looks and sounds like a break up, if you can continue the romance 20 seconds later as if nothing ever happened?
They should rework Minty, Halsin, Jaheira and Minsc... They don't have the same vibes as the origin characters, they feel so half-baked and take too long to join the party (except Minthara, early act 2 is fine imo). No reason to not let Halsin join act 1 after you save the grove, just make clear he wants to restore the shadowland and will leave the party if you don't. Jaheira should be able to join early act 2 along with Minthara.
I was very interested in Mintara in the evil playthrough, as it was the only viable option for my decisions. The character immediately seemed unfinished, with very little content. Then they fixed something for her, and she started talking all the time about the illithid - as you noticed. Now I see that the character has become completely useless. It is not holistic, but contradictory. It’s as if these replicas were taken from the beta version trash can. It’s better to add a romance with my beloved Orin than to further break Mintara, which seems to be beyond repair
Looks like she just offended. Seems extremely truefully to hear it from Minthara, who on love trial said, that finally she broke up with Loth and Absolute, and now she is finally free, able to make her own decisions, but you, dear durge, be brainless pawn of Baal...
Im pretty sure its just bugged af, there is no way for you to end the minthara relationship as it stands for example. You can even romance shadowheart and minthara wont say a word. Buuut then again, if you romance minthara in act 2 (by increasing approval high enough) after you are in a shdowheart romance you started in act 1, shadowheart will break up with you as she doesnt want to share. But after you get nightsong and exit shars gauntlet dungeon she will tell you she loves you and wants to be in a relationship anyway and so end up with both minthara and shadowheart romance. Im quite certain this is supposed to break up with her but that is literally impossible atm
And they were roommates :)
oh my god....
and they were roommates….
Gonna love how she doesn't wanna be a slave to a god but then gets angry because you don't wanna be a slave to a god
Also love how she despises Bhaal and Bhaalists and especially bhaalspawns for "only killing mindlessly" but hates if you reject your mindless killing urge🙃
@@Parrotcat Her swooning for you even harder once you discover youre a Bhaalspawn wouldnt make sense either then
@@elseggs6504 and it doesnt. She should HATE you now being fully controlled by a god, especially Bhaal.
@@ParrotcatSome horrible writings from Larian I guess
@@Parrotcat Except you arent. It is you who still gets to decide whether the Brain lives or dies.
Bhaal can turn you batshit insane, maybe briefly use you as his Avatar but thats where his meddling with mortal affairs ends
Jesus Christ... it seems Minthara gets buggier with each update they release.
Larian should start giving her proper attention and release a patch focused on fixing her bugs properly.
fully agree, hotfix 22 should all be minthara
I feel like we need a Wyll and Minthara specific update where it just gives us more to their characters, more dialogue and bug fixes and character building, + more dialogue for Halsin, Jaheira, and Minsc because they feel incredibly lackluster during fight scenes
She sadly ruined a playthrough for me. Everyone began targeting her for the crime of "wrong place" if I had to guess it was carried over from Moonrise towers whete she couldn't roam alone.
It isnt a bug. She does say that if you refuse bhaal is to refuse godhood, and you will loose her. Now she just follows on this warning.
If its out of character its another matter
@@pativi6643 it is a bug, because she says that but the relationship continues.
It's probably some cut dialogue that was triggered somehow.
Hotfix 21 fixed the emperor bug for me. Then she starts talking about how Elminster telling Gale to blow himself up is insane. Not as insane as the fact that Gale is still stuck inside a rock in act 1 without a hand and we haven't met Elminster.
😂😂😂😂 just a bit buggy
Yeah, Gale ditched me after I destroyed the grove for her. I didn't see that line coming.
Minthara is soo buggy, it's kind of hilarious and sad at the same time; she's one of the most compelling companions to me but she only ever talks about the emperor.
She's voiced by Emma Gregory who does Warhammer 40k audiobooks, that's why she can't stop talking about the Emperor 😂
@@pajamawolfieoh this is brilliant 😂
@@pajamawolfieThe Sister of Battle is leaking through. XP
This is like how she says "I don't think it's wise to hand over the Nightsong" while "Minthara Approves" pops up in the corner
Or she'll approve of giving Scratch back to his owner, then say she misses him and that we should mount a rescue mission.
She also does this about recruiting Minsc. :/ She says to you that she hates to admit it, but Minsc would be a strong ally and we should recruit him, but then when you actually do it, she disapproves.
@@MegaRockinT It's hard to get Minthara's approval because she doesn't even know what she wants. Another example: she disapproves if you send her to the circus stage, but approves when she tells her drider joke. In her defense, it was a good pun.
Oh, and boo at the clown, but applaud at his scarecrow joke. She hates clowns and loves puns, apparently.
I wish they gave us more options to argue back at companions instead of just being passive or desperate. We need more mean options Larian
"the angry stare of someone who broke up with you" 😂 I can't. We just have to accept that Minthara is a very complex character and can't make up her mind...
Okay so she’s just REALLY bugged 🙃 Look, I love Larian but they really need to stop releasing things like this in parts. They need to start releasing the WHOLE sequence all together at the same time cause this whole thing is, well, a mess. It’s good to know that my rejecting Bhaal Minthara romance run isn’t completely botched. Thanks for all the hard work! 🫡
"that's my discord not yours" - i was eating and looked up from my food like "who the hell is messaging me" 😆
also the end where you shove her had me choking 🤣
the two other ideas i had for the ending were: the romance scene neck snap or a compilation of all the instances where she's absolutely pitiful when you ask her torturers at moonrise to erase her while having romanced her in act 1 lol
If it was astarion they’d fix it within the next business day lol
Hotfix 22 just dropped and she can't pretend to break up with you anymore, meaning this video is BG3 history
I'm sorry but Jaheira's side eye at 3:23 is so funny😭 Meemaw did not sign up for this
i knoooow, she really looks like she's about to say something homophobic or something 😂
haha yeah. I just had to laugh about that one... shes like "wtf... please..."
awww the evil princess just got bugged a little
the editing on this video is KILLING ME
thank you 😌
I was wondering about this very thing thanks for the upload! It seems Minthara has a bit of hypocrisy in her. On one hand she wants someone who won't stab her in the back literally and emontially. On the other hand she's willing to stab the Durge in the back emotionally.
Because if you think about it the Durges story is a redemption arc where they try to free themselves from the control of Bhaal. Then here comes Minthara in the Durges moment of triumph being free and she tells you to F yourself. Thus backstabbing durge emotionally. This makes a very good character imo, very much like real people. Be that uncertainty of decisions, changing their mind, saying something in the heat of the moment, etc.
I 100% agree with you, they could have integrated it in multiples ways that would have made sense, the emotional outburst is 100% in character in my opinion, and a breakup wouldn't even have had bothered me that much if you could call her out on her hypocrisy or if other arguments were used instead (cause someone breaking up with you because you dared to get your autonomy back but only being able to beg them to stay with you doesn't sit right with me, even more considering autonomy and freedom are something important to minthara).
And a follow up conversation to sort the situation out/explain the outburst would add so much to her character, like, there's so much potential here, but sadly, the trend with minthara is buggy and/or missing content, so stuff like that is the likelier outcome.
Well I guess that dashes my plans for a Minthara Redeemed Durge romance because that's gonna annoy me
Yep, time to reactivate lethal damage I guess...
For now, I'm just going to skip the cutscene and act like it didn't happen. Because, ultimately, she never breaks up with you, so if I skip it, it never existed.
10:59 -- her sitting with her feet propped on the table cracked me up
LMAO Jaheria's face when they were kissing. 😂
no their totally broken up still thats a plutonic kiss if ive ever seen one.
Can't wait for patch 172 when Minthara is finally fixed. Maybe then I'll finish my run where I romance her.
Yes this is out of character and doesn't seem like it should happen. Bhaalist kill without a justifiable reason other than a narcotic addiction to murder. She may be a type of evil, but she doesn't like senseless slaughter. That being killings without something to gain from it. But they did remove the bug that she blurts out a spoiler for act 3 in act 2. But now she keeps talking about Gale blowing himself up to destroy the elderbrain and that he shouldn't until they learn more about it. But I have confidence that at some point they will solve the bugs with her. They seem to be pretty good at keeping up with the bugs so far. I have had a little more game crashes since the hotfix but they did another patch today that is probably for that.
lol Thank you so much for doing all this deep diving!, I don't know if you remember but I had asked about this in one of your previous vids
Shes a little confused but she's trying her best
So this scene is just a Drow/Minthara thing? She's "just" offended?
seems like it for now! some datamined stuff points both to some kind follow up, and validates the fact she doesn't breakup as off right now
@@Kohubohu Did she break up with you in camp?
@@finrodfelagund1052 nope, no breakup outside of the bhaal temple dialogue.
@@Kohubohu Strange 🤔
@@Kohubohuthe breakup maybe real but because Larian still can't fix her probably, that's why there is no real breakup. That's my guess.
when i first recruited minthara she mentioned something abt gale and elminster... despite him never being in my playthrough because I unintentionally amputated him...
One does not simply understand Minthara 😂
Maybe it’s a bug or maybe there is another bug that is messing with a camp dialogue where you can just talk to her about your decision, there is definitely something not working as it should be
Uh if you destroy the brain. She will not end the relationship? Was she just offended? Thanks for the video!
That's it unless I'm playing an evil character there's no point in recruiting minthara It'll take larian some more patches before they figure out how they can integrate her into a good playthrough.
Yeah... unfortunately that's true.
It's taking more time than I expected for Larian to fix her bugs on good playthroughs, but I think that's because they don't give her proper attention.
They make the patches without giving 2 shits if it's gonna break her or not.
So, until they fix her for good I'm keeping lethal damage activated.
It's just Durge, you can still be evil Tav and this will never come up.
@@caseyhastings9219 but resist durge is the best experience in this game.
@@caseyhastings9219 She was fine in the last version before patch 6 all her dialogue triggers were working fine now she's broken again.
@@Heathen6671 Couldn't agree more I like playing as characters with well established roles in the story so I've been playing as durge since my second run.
I think she will break up with you in this new addon. But because Larian still can't fix her probably so you can still ask for kisses and stuff.
They'll probably reverse this.
Too much negative feedback.
All she does is yell at me about needing to stop a murdered Gale
Same happened in my run. I think thats another dumb bug. Or she had a fleeting tantrum after Orin's death 😂
It's definitely a bug...
This was accidentally reenabled draft content that thankfully got patched out in the latest hotfix.
at the end of the day, Minthara is smart and strong, but she is still evil and blinded by power. either that or it doesnt really make much sense for her to be pissed considering that she didnt want to be enslaved by a god, but then gets mad when you dont want to be. perhaps she cares only for herself truly and nobody else. as an evil character, it makes sense. but also she isnt mad when you dont enslave the brain so it kinda makes no sense in my opinion even if she is evil.
She is so inconsistence that become anoying, she love to talk shit about being a slave to others but every time she goes the other way around, i will never understand what was larian idea with her, but is not the first drow they shit on (rip viconia).
The thing with drowkinds of characters is that they hate being in a submissive position, not actual slavery. This is why I couldn't stand her from day 1. She has that vibe and Larian seems willing to play into it.
*drow matriarch kinds of characters, not sure what happened here
Actually it doesn't make sense that she hates you 😂
My god she is so beatiful 😢❤
I feel like sometimes we forget that a character being hypocritical isn’t always bad writing; sometimes it’s an intended character flaw
good point, but it'd be nice if 1. it felt actually deliberate and 2. was implemented fully/without bugs. i wouldn't even mind if they committed to the break up if it actually ended with a break up and i could tell her clearly "i did that to have agency over my own person, if you don't care, well the break up is mutual" instead of having the impression of being scolded like a kid only to be able to answer "but i'm not good i swear, it's just that i love you and i don't want to kill you 🥺" . Even before it actually got in the game, I've seen people saying they'd be okay with it on the condition they can argue with her instead of just be passive and desperate about it
@@KohubohuYeah, I agree
So is she bugged because she's being recruited by boinking her on the head in the goblin camp or if she bugged regardless?
I haven't tested it myself, but I've heard that she's bugged even if you recruit her with the Grove massacre
Yup I raided the grove in that run.
First, I killed women and children who could barely help themselves. Then, I took gift from blood god, whom I rejected most of the game. Then, I had to kill an old woman who saved world 2 times and became my friend. Minthara is too…demanding XD
W8 does jaheira tries to kill you due to low approval?
Meanwhile me who thought she would love my decision cz she hates gods ...
Sorry for asking, but what is the song at 3:30?
The world revolving by Toby Fox!
not me checking my discord after you got a message
I’m so sorry lol
I am glad they removed this scene TBH as it made zero sense. If this was Bane we are talking, then it would bea different story. But Bhaal is all about control and destruction. Destruction of everything. Mindless bloodshed. Even when she discussed Orin, she said that the difference between her and Orin is that Orin wanted bloodshed and no power. But that is what Bhaal is about: pure bloodshed. That does not fit Minthara's theme, which is why it made ZERO sense for her to break up with you if you got rid of Bhaal.
It must be a bug
So Minthara is now official dead
That doesn't seem like breaking up to me. If she would break up, some dialogues and scenes may be not doable^^
it's half the point of the video, some people seemed skeptical when others told them she wasn't actually breaking up because you could still kiss her/were recognized as a couple by the drow twins, so i recorded the whole ass process to show you could still get your romanced epilogue. the other half is to show, let's say, the absurdity of the situation. why add a situation that pretty much looks and sounds like a break up, if you can continue the romance 20 seconds later as if nothing ever happened?
@@Kohubohu I would guess the break up is a bug ^^
They should rework Minty, Halsin, Jaheira and Minsc... They don't have the same vibes as the origin characters, they feel so half-baked and take too long to join the party (except Minthara, early act 2 is fine imo). No reason to not let Halsin join act 1 after you save the grove, just make clear he wants to restore the shadowland and will leave the party if you don't. Jaheira should be able to join early act 2 along with Minthara.
If you killed the entire grove I'm pretty sure you got put on her evil path.
I can assure you 100% it doesn’t change anything.
As someone with 600 hrs+ that doesn’t change anything
I was very interested in Mintara in the evil playthrough, as it was the only viable option for my decisions. The character immediately seemed unfinished, with very little content. Then they fixed something for her, and she started talking all the time about the illithid - as you noticed. Now I see that the character has become completely useless. It is not holistic, but contradictory. It’s as if these replicas were taken from the beta version trash can.
It’s better to add a romance with my beloved Orin than to further break Mintara, which seems to be beyond repair
I'm all up for an Orin romance!
That would be a dream come true, she's one of my favorite characters together with Mizora.
Is she really ending the relationship now? Or is she just offended? Doing Drow Power things?
Looks like she just offended. Seems extremely truefully to hear it from Minthara, who on love trial said, that finally she broke up with Loth and Absolute, and now she is finally free, able to make her own decisions, but you, dear durge, be brainless pawn of Baal...
Im pretty sure its just bugged af, there is no way for you to end the minthara relationship as it stands for example. You can even romance shadowheart and minthara wont say a word.
Buuut then again, if you romance minthara in act 2 (by increasing approval high enough) after you are in a shdowheart romance you started in act 1, shadowheart will break up with you as she doesnt want to share.
But after you get nightsong and exit shars gauntlet dungeon she will tell you she loves you and wants to be in a relationship anyway and so end up with both minthara and shadowheart romance.
Im quite certain this is supposed to break up with her but that is literally impossible atm
Bruh I can't even kiss her.
You need to have 49+ approval to get the option, otherwise it’s probably a bug lol