@@Dabo2321993 Exactly the same, both for a nat 1 and a -1. I heavily encumbered my Durge to get disadvantage. With a base Str of 8 and -2 from the Mirror of Loss and -1 from the Hags Potion I've got a total of 5 Str, which results in a total modifier of -3. With a nat 2, this is a -1.
I only ever see DUrge as a happy murder funtime thing, some of those moments where you reject Bhaal and fight against it are absolutely brutal. That one about being normal until you get the Urge is heartbreaking. "Foster parents ... how many loved ones died? Maybe that child was already a murderer."
I cannot believe this game. They really did think of everything. It's even better because you may never use this spell depending on how you personally play through the game, and so even people who've played it for hundreds of hours may never notice this. God damn, I am too impressed with the work Larian has done.
BG3 is one of dissapearingly few games where 200+h of gameplay is due to amount of content, not because you have to grind or repeat virtually the same stuff time after time. No "random encounter" respawning monsters, no virtually same dungeons you have to raid 20+ times throughout the game - just a ton of content you can't fit in a single play through.
"The Lord of murder shall perish, but in his doom he shall spawn a score of mortal progeny, chaos will be sown by their passing. So sayeth the wise Alaundo." I was in Candlekeep looking for Gorion the first time I heard these words.
"Play. Friends. Fun. A time before Bhaal." "Freedom. Friends. Life. A time after Bhaal." Come on, man, you can't tell me DUrge isn't the main character of BG3
He cannot be played as a companion, he is the only one who is fully customizable, and he has deeper interactions with the storyline than any of the others who all frankly are like side quests. He is indeed the main character.
Damn, the narration and the animations of Dark Urge's face are just on point... You can even tell the tiny changes in the creases around the eyes showing the emotions. And I even say that as someone that literally struggles with reading body language in real life...
Fair to say, there was a moment in the Durge's lifetime that she/he wasn't a callous murderer. For a very brisk moment, they were alive and able to play. But even then Bhaal would claim his due.
@@GamingBirch you gotta try some bro, there's so many 5e spells, there's level 20, there's subclasses galore, there's new items, brand new spells, dice skins and more
I want to use mods but for some reason the mod required to make the others work causes my game to crash to desktop whenever I try and lockpick or disarm
@@bdamasterdark I also can't seem to get mods working, but I think it might be because I pirated it. I wish there was a mod for Pathfinder style crits. Hate seeing a 30 roll on a DC 15 check and not getting anything for it.
@@AspelShuyin what are you even talking about, like first go buy the game you broke fuckin snake, and second what are you aven talking about if you roll a 30, you succeed thats how it works? what even are you bitchin about.
Well, not exactly. You recover a different memory when eating noblestalk. Also Heal doesn't work on Shadowheart. (At least as a companion. I haven't tried it when she's the main character.)
The check is probably a one line of code bug that is just using default values. I'm willing to bet there aren't pass or fail conditions, and it was an accidental copy-paste error
I'm glad I did my first playthrough as Tav, because after the extra depth to the story and character playing Durge adds I don't think I can go back. At least not till I finally mod the game to play a kobold to do a "silly options" run.
I'm sorry but Durge is one of but not thee most The other baldur's gate games you also played as a bhaul spawn, Any dark souls character, Fear and hunger
@@GamingBirch Let me get this straight... xd... but... you used contagion on yourself... a vile disease, a disease that can afflicts many others... then were surprised you didn't get disadvantage after using Heal on yourself... which btw... heals all diseases? xD HEX is a curse so it would work tho.
You probably just healed him by different means. After all, expending a level 5 slot is pretty expensive. And now that I think of it, I don't even know if this can trigger during combat.
No, it doesn't. Just the Durge. Though I can only try Shadowheart as a companion. Maybe if she is the main character? But what I just realized, this is the state where Durge has already eaten Noblestalk. It's a different memory they recover.
Of note aside from what was already mentioned at least in old Dnd Heal could even go so far as to heal mental damage BUT ... not magical induced effects. From what I remember Shadowhearts situation is magical induced so it's out.
Durge's memory loss is, as mentioned by others here, due to a physical wound to the brain. Heal can mend that to some degree, but it's been a long time since he received it. Thus, it can only do so much. Shadowheart's memory loss is due to the magic of a Goddess. she stared into a Mirror of Loss during her induction into the order and willingly sacrificed her memories for Shar. there are ways to regain it, obviously, but such methods are far beyond what Heal is capable of doing so.
You could force it by having something that temporarily drained your strength stat, and having a -1 on it. I'm not sure if there is anything like it, but hey... If there's any like it... If you're good at programming, you could also check the code of the game, to see if there is any hidden choice, or if it's a leftover code.
It would be possible to get a negative number on that strength roll. (If anything would come of it, that's another story.) But if you make a character with an 8 (-1) strength score at character creation, That will get you to 0 on a critical fail roll of 1. To get even more in the negative have somebody else in the party wear an item that causes the Reverberation debuff, and give it to durge before the roll, and durge should be able to roll a -3 (1-1-2). Again, probably wont do anything beyond maybe crashing the game, but still...
But did you know it's a different memory? ;) Actually it's possible to restore two memories with Noblestalk, depending if you already met your ever-adoring butler or not.
There are two helmets. The one in the end is indeed from Sarevok. The other one (seen in majority of the video) is Horns of the Berserker, which is sold in Wyrm's Crossing.
Horns of the berserker sold by the dwarf housing the Harper’s in wyrms crossing, he’s one of the best merchants in the game since terms of gear although this helmet is mainly for monks
Actual wording of the spell from D&D 5e: Heal 6th level Evocation Casting Time: 1 action Range: 60 feet Target: A creature that you can see within range Components: V S Duration: Instantaneous Classes: Cleric, Druid Choose a creature that you can see within range. A surge of positive energy washes through the creature, causing it to regain 70 hit points. This spell also ends blindness, deafness, and any diseases affecting the target. This spell has no effect on constructs or undead. At Higher Levels: When you cast this spell using a spell slot of 7th level or higher, the amount of Healing increases by 10 for each slot level above 6th.
Having 8 strength is still not gonna help, because even with -1 modifier, you need to roll a 1. Mirror of Loss would do the trick, but with the state of my save games, I thought I would definitely roll a 1 faster, than it would take me to clear House of Grief.
I used this spell in the middle of a random fight we were losing, and then got this cutscene in the middle of it 😂😂 I was like wtf lol. You can also do this by eating the noblestalk
I was wondering what happens if you do it during fight :D Noblestalk restores a different memory though. Actually two memories, depending if you met the buttler or not.
I tried Contagion to give myself a disadvantage (for some reason it didn't work) There is the -2 from Mirror of Loss. I don't know about anything else.
Maybe you could re-spec your character briefly, drop your strength to an 8 and have a strength hex put on you so you'd have a negative modifier. You might then end up with a negative result with enough re-rolls.
@@GamingBirchI've never had a crit fail that also beat the DC. D&D default rules only have crit fails on attack rolls, so I'm not sure how the game handles them.
@@kingcyclops4079 My point is that not giving as much new content to the "accept Bhaal" path as the "reject Bhaal" path is a disincentive to us evil players.
@@kingofsting19there’s almost nothing that an evil player can get in the game except Minthara, and they end up LOSING a ton in the process. They tried, but it feels like Larian punishing people for daring to actually not be heroic.
I played Durge as the first character. That was a mistake. Now I can't even imagine playing anything else because I know I will miss the small extra details, and the butler.
I feel bad for dark urge bc before the urges started happening they had a nice life with family and friends then want down hill when they started having urges.
i like how it just says [STRENGTH] and the check is a 0
I wonder what would happen if you roll a critical fail on that.... :D
Durge forgor 😢
baby durge's first FAILED killing spree@@saladgaming4339
@@Dabo2321993 Exactly the same, both for a nat 1 and a -1. I heavily encumbered my Durge to get disadvantage. With a base Str of 8 and -2 from the Mirror of Loss and -1 from the Hags Potion I've got a total of 5 Str, which results in a total modifier of -3. With a nat 2, this is a -1.
@@saladgaming4339 weak muscle memory
I only ever see DUrge as a happy murder funtime thing, some of those moments where you reject Bhaal and fight against it are absolutely brutal. That one about being normal until you get the Urge is heartbreaking. "Foster parents ... how many loved ones died? Maybe that child was already a murderer."
There's another line somewhere that tore my heart out, where DUrge wonders to themself "Were you sweet, once?"
happy murder funtime? professor genki flashbacks…
I cannot believe this game. They really did think of everything. It's even better because you may never use this spell depending on how you personally play through the game, and so even people who've played it for hundreds of hours may never notice this. God damn, I am too impressed with the work Larian has done.
There's so many little scenarios like this that are crafted with love and care yet many players may never see.
BG3 is one of dissapearingly few games where 200+h of gameplay is due to amount of content, not because you have to grind or repeat virtually the same stuff time after time. No "random encounter" respawning monsters, no virtually same dungeons you have to raid 20+ times throughout the game - just a ton of content you can't fit in a single play through.
1.000 hours with 4 finished durge runs and I've never once triggered this 👀
I'm 600+ hours in and I've never encountered this 😢
"The Lord of murder shall perish, but in his doom he shall spawn a score of mortal progeny, chaos will be sown by their passing. So sayeth the wise Alaundo." I was in Candlekeep looking for Gorion the first time I heard these words.
Calm down Sarevok
"Play. Friends. Fun. A time before Bhaal."
"Freedom. Friends. Life. A time after Bhaal."
Come on, man, you can't tell me DUrge isn't the main character of BG3
He definitely is. Everybody else is just a distraction.
Pretty sure the devs consider him the Canon choice
Certainly wouldn't be the first baldurs gate game with a Bhaal Spawn protagonist
He cannot be played as a companion, he is the only one who is fully customizable, and he has deeper interactions with the storyline than any of the others who all frankly are like side quests.
He is indeed the main character.
I was always really confused when people said act 3 was the weakest part but I also had my first and only playthroufh as durge lol
@@HorizonStronghold Even that one-shot campaign with the voice cast treated "Tav" as a Bhaal Spawn if I understood correctly.
Damn, the narration and the animations of Dark Urge's face are just on point...
You can even tell the tiny changes in the creases around the eyes showing the emotions.
And I even say that as someone that literally struggles with reading body language in real life...
Fair to say, there was a moment in the Durge's lifetime that she/he wasn't a callous murderer. For a very brisk moment, they were alive and able to play. But even then Bhaal would claim his due.
I love the dark urge character so much. I wish it came with more content but im very happy with what we have.
Larian is working on some more evil endings. Perhaps something will be Durge specific.
2:14 Nooooo!! He WAS sweet once! 💔
There was a mod somwhere to force always rolling 1 :D
Ooooooh, thanks. I need to try that.
I didn't do mods in this game yet, so I didn't even thing of that.
@@GamingBirch you gotta try some bro, there's so many 5e spells, there's level 20, there's subclasses galore, there's new items, brand new spells, dice skins and more
I want to use mods but for some reason the mod required to make the others work causes my game to crash to desktop whenever I try and lockpick or disarm
@@bdamasterdark I also can't seem to get mods working, but I think it might be because I pirated it.
I wish there was a mod for Pathfinder style crits. Hate seeing a 30 roll on a DC 15 check and not getting anything for it.
@@AspelShuyin what are you even talking about, like first go buy the game you broke fuckin snake, and second what are you aven talking about if you roll a 30, you succeed thats how it works? what even are you bitchin about.
This also works with consuming the Noblestalk!
I think you can also give it to Shadowheart for her memories.
Well, not exactly. You recover a different memory when eating noblestalk. Also Heal doesn't work on Shadowheart. (At least as a companion. I haven't tried it when she's the main character.)
Doing that with Shadowheart causes her to dislike you though
@@GamingBirchhe wasn't saying heal caused Shadowheart to regain her memories, he was saying you can feed her the stalk to get those memories
@@SifGreyfang The "not exactly" is saying that Durge eating Noblestalk gives you a different memory than you get by casting Heal
Also if you give the trader the noblestalk and meet her again in act 3 she sells 2 noblestalks. Haven’t tested them with d urge
15 playthroughs and ive never used HEAL on durge jfc... welp... at least they know now. "was i ever sweet once?" yes, you were.
The check is probably a one line of code bug that is just using default values. I'm willing to bet there aren't pass or fail conditions, and it was an accidental copy-paste error
I actually discovered this completely on accident. It was a really cool little surprise.
THE EMBARRASSINGLY ENDLESS PLAYTHROUGHS IVE HAD… AND I NEVER KNEW THIS????
i spent 10000 hrs playing bg3 and i feel like im still missing the dialogs and scenes. This game is everything
I'm glad I did my first playthrough as Tav, because after the extra depth to the story and character playing Durge adds I don't think I can go back. At least not till I finally mod the game to play a kobold to do a "silly options" run.
Same
First game was Tav yet I wanna play Durge evil and instandly start a good Durge run afterwards where I try to protect all Tieflings ^^
Durge has had a terrible life, probably the darkest protagonist in any game ever.
Try any character in Fear & Hunger
I'm sorry but Durge is one of but not thee most
The other baldur's gate games you also played as a bhaul spawn, Any dark souls character, Fear and hunger
@@TheSOGchronicleswhich protagonists are also mass murderers, cannibals and necrophiles, planning to destroy the world?
@@bengunn9670 the skyrim dragonborn based on the lore for elder scrolls games making every choice you make cannon
@@TheSOGchronicles and what kind of pre-story can you give your dragonborn?
You can also dupe the noble cap mushroom in act1 and eat it for full heal to restore memories too.
Yup, but it restores different memories.
So, do you get 2 memories in the same play through for noblestalk and full heal
My reformation Durge: 'Was I sweet once?'
Me: Apparently, yes. And you will be again by the time I'm done with you.
Karlach: *"I knew we could fix you!"* :D
:P
My theory as to what happens if you fail the check is that it failsafes into advancing the next dialogue anyway
When I play dark urge I remember my time in the dark brother in oblivion.
3:30
Hex yourself for strength so you can do double throws for a 1?
I tried "Contagion", which should do the same, but for some reason the effect didn't work.
@@GamingBirch Let me get this straight... xd... but... you used contagion on yourself... a vile disease, a disease that can afflicts many others... then were surprised you didn't get disadvantage after using Heal on yourself... which btw... heals all diseases? xD
HEX is a curse so it would work tho.
Imagine getting this in the final fight like "That's sad and all but I think there's something more urgent to worry about?"
If you cast it during combat, you will get the cutscene after the combat ends. I have no idea if you still get it if it's the final fight.
No way am I almost done my first full dark urdge campaign and not know this. How the hell have I never healed him?
You probably just healed him by different means. After all, expending a level 5 slot is pretty expensive.
And now that I think of it, I don't even know if this can trigger during combat.
I had a moment when a needed to roll 0 and rolled critical fail. it just magicaly turned into 20
So would heal work on other people missing memories? Shadowheart? Baelen?
No, it doesn't. Just the Durge.
Though I can only try Shadowheart as a companion. Maybe if she is the main character?
But what I just realized, this is the state where Durge has already eaten Noblestalk. It's a different memory they recover.
Durge is a unique situation where your missing memories are caused by a literal wound, I think.
@@somdudewillson this, yes, Oring tells you she stabbed you in the brain
Of note aside from what was already mentioned at least in old Dnd Heal could even go so far as to heal mental damage BUT ... not magical induced effects. From what I remember Shadowhearts situation is magical induced so it's out.
Durge's memory loss is, as mentioned by others here, due to a physical wound to the brain. Heal can mend that to some degree, but it's been a long time since he received it. Thus, it can only do so much. Shadowheart's memory loss is due to the magic of a Goddess. she stared into a Mirror of Loss during her induction into the order and willingly sacrificed her memories for Shar. there are ways to regain it, obviously, but such methods are far beyond what Heal is capable of doing so.
You could force it by having something that temporarily drained your strength stat, and having a -1 on it.
I'm not sure if there is anything like it, but hey... If there's any like it...
If you're good at programming, you could also check the code of the game, to see if there is any hidden choice, or if it's a leftover code.
Oh my goodness why do I wanna cry rn
I don't think I have ever once cast Heal. I've got potions and rests galore to cover me.
Fun Fact: You can’t fail a difficulty 0 roll because even if you get a 1 it automatically turns to a 20… I had this happen once to me
That explains a lot
A strength check with no dialogue and a DC 0? So durge remembers their first murders and just... violently flex?
It would be possible to get a negative number on that strength roll. (If anything would come of it, that's another story.) But if you make a character with an 8 (-1) strength score at character creation, That will get you to 0 on a critical fail roll of 1. To get even more in the negative have somebody else in the party wear an item that causes the Reverberation debuff, and give it to durge before the roll, and durge should be able to roll a -3 (1-1-2).
Again, probably wont do anything beyond maybe crashing the game, but still...
i would cut off a leg for rolls like that near the end
You can also restore memories by having Urge eat the Noblestalk.
But did you know it's a different memory? ;) Actually it's possible to restore two memories with Noblestalk, depending if you already met your ever-adoring butler or not.
What's that helmet looks cool
You get it from Sarevok.
There are two helmets. The one in the end is indeed from Sarevok. The other one (seen in majority of the video) is Horns of the Berserker, which is sold in Wyrm's Crossing.
Horns of the berserker sold by the dwarf housing the Harper’s in wyrms crossing, he’s one of the best merchants in the game since terms of gear although this helmet is mainly for monks
It’s honestly kinda hilarious the helmet that has berserker in its name is best used on a monk lol.
Actual wording of the spell from D&D 5e:
Heal
6th level Evocation
Casting Time: 1 action
Range: 60 feet
Target: A creature that you can see within range
Components: V S
Duration: Instantaneous
Classes: Cleric, Druid
Choose a creature that you can see within range. A surge of positive energy washes through the creature, causing it to regain 70 hit points. This spell also ends blindness, deafness, and any diseases affecting the target. This spell has no effect on constructs or undead.
At Higher Levels: When you cast this spell using a spell slot of 7th level or higher, the amount of Healing increases by 10 for each slot level above 6th.
how can you fail a 0 check if even a critical failure is a 1?
if you have a negative str mod it should be doable
Having 8 strength is still not gonna help, because even with -1 modifier, you need to roll a 1. Mirror of Loss would do the trick, but with the state of my save games, I thought I would definitely roll a 1 faster, than it would take me to clear House of Grief.
its posable with a bunch if negative stats on you ive gotten a negative 2 before :D
and promptly died after as it was a saving throw
If you gave the dwarf lady noble stalk, you can get more in the city, would it also have a different memory after Orin?
Oh... I never gave Noblestalk to the lady, but according to the Wiki, Noblestalk depends on meeting or not meeting the butler.
I used this spell in the middle of a random fight we were losing, and then got this cutscene in the middle of it 😂😂 I was like wtf lol. You can also do this by eating the noblestalk
I was wondering what happens if you do it during fight :D
Noblestalk restores a different memory though. Actually two memories, depending if you met the buttler or not.
Your just the Dice God, DONT LIE TO US!
I believe I can disprove those accusations by this clip :D
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@@GamingBirch well, maybe your godly power rested for 2 rolles 😂
How do you unlock “Heal”? Do you have to be a specific class? I don’t remember the option for it in any of my playthroughs
It's a Druid/Cleric spell, but it's level 6 spell, so you have to have 11 levels in the respective class
is there a spell you can cast on yourself that gives you a negative to strength checks? Some kind of enfeeblement?
I tried Contagion to give myself a disadvantage (for some reason it didn't work)
There is the -2 from Mirror of Loss. I don't know about anything else.
I've never had this happen to me
Holy shit I need to try this
Maybe you could re-spec your character briefly, drop your strength to an 8 and have a strength hex put on you so you'd have a negative modifier. You might then end up with a negative result with enough re-rolls.
Does this work on Shadowheart and Baelan too?
Not Balen. I haven't tried main character shadowheart, but it doesn't work if she's a companion.
You can't fail the check with a positive strength modifier. Maybe a low Str build or bane could make it fail.
I was trying to roll a 1 for critical fail.
@@GamingBirchI've never had a crit fail that also beat the DC. D&D default rules only have crit fails on attack rolls, so I'm not sure how the game handles them.
@@Myzelfa oh. In this game, a Nat 1 is an automatic fail, no matter what. You can have a +50 bonus on a DC 2 roll, but a 1 will still be a fail.
damn being a bhaalspawn sucks
So redo of the healer was right?!
It sucks you don't get anything new for accepting Bhaal. Let me be evil, damnit.
To be fair, you have to already be evil to accept Bhaal.
@@kingcyclops4079 My point is that not giving as much new content to the "accept Bhaal" path as the "reject Bhaal" path is a disincentive to us evil players.
@@kingofsting19there’s almost nothing that an evil player can get in the game except Minthara, and they end up LOSING a ton in the process. They tried, but it feels like Larian punishing people for daring to actually not be heroic.
@@GZilla311 My thoughts exactly. They did better than most in this department, but not as good as the last Pathfinder game IMO.
Excuse me? You literally get the Slayer form for being evil, and lose it if you don't accept bhaal.
I love Durge 💕😢
I played Durge as the first character. That was a mistake. Now I can't even imagine playing anything else because I know I will miss the small extra details, and the butler.
@@GamingBirchtrue the butler is too cute
I feel bad for dark urge bc before the urges started happening they had a nice life with family and friends then want down hill when they started having urges.