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Evil d&d character done beautifully. Charming, funny, inspiring, loyal, and ruthless. The fact that she can show sympathy, regret, vulnerability, and openly aknowledge her flaws, while still unapologetically suggesting to enslave the world is such a fantasticly accurate depiction of drow. I saw another comment somewhere say that it was interesting how laurian made the most evil character the most romantically loyal. When she does let someone in, you get all of her and she brings you along for the ride.
Emma Gregory did such a fantastic job in this role. I hope she wins some awards, because it's a shame 2/3rds of players will never experience the full breadth of her performance.
One of the things I hate is if you want her in your party you have to give up on a lot of content. Evil route is lacking content compared to the good route.
@@cilith1 Would be interesting to see an option where you can capture her. A way to convivence maybe to not force you to kill her if you don't want to. I know you can steal some kind of artifact from the druids and let the goblins slaughter the grove an everyone in it but that's still pretty evil for most people. I thought about recruiting her on a Dark Urge playthrough but there are apparently risks with that as well.
She even asks you as much, she had no control of her actions and she fails either way, so if you beat her up and leave her unconscious, she should show up at Moonrise being tortured, and yet she just vanishes completely. I know because I tried, some goblins miraculously survive the massacre but she's just gone. And you lose the larva if you do that. It's like they didn't want you to be able to recruit her unless you become the most comical villain you can possibly be, and yet she seems so much deeper a character than that. So basically, they set you up with a main character that is a caricature and loses lots of content, and a sidekick that will steal the show for as long as her story lasts.
people get really FOMO about losing karlach wyll and halsin. But I'm loving my dark urge/minthara playthrough. It's crazy how many differently evil things you can do as dark urge.
@@Redrik666 i mean Drow can live to be 400 years old, not sure how old Minthara is but living through drow culture surely makes you way older than just living as a random dude to adulthood lol imo the voice fits perfectly
@@Kill0rGurke we mean she sounds a bit like an granny, she might be 180 years old but she looks young we all know that elves have an big longevity but 180 years old like it would be something like an mid 20's humanlike. Nathyrra in Neverwinter nights 1 died of age in something like 450 years
Minthara made me change my playstyle. Minthara forced me to go Anakin on the Druids. Minthara made me replay whole segments of my first playthrough. I'm on my 4th and final playthrough, which was all for Minthara.
I like that you can say you attacked the druids/tieflings just to impress her. That's the exact type of weirdo thing Anakin would say lol "From my point of view these refugees are evil."
I know it wouldn't make sense, but I wish there was a proper way to get Minthara without sacking the Druid cove. Especially since her redemption arc better suits a more morally good run. You almost need to commit the sins and redeem yourself along with her, but in a much shorter time which makes less sense for your PC.
You can walk away from the conflict and leave the tieflings to die, while keeping Wyll and Karlach on your team and getting Minthara, but it removes so much content down the line. I prefer to just mod her into my good run. Worst part of all is that she never even wanted to kill the tieflings and asks you why you took her side at 4:30 ish in the video.
A high dialogue check combined with a cutscene showing the artifact interfering with her connection to the absolute could open it up in a more organic way. That or add an option to use the non-lethal knock-out on her and wipe out the rest of the goblins. From what I've seen right now non-lethal takedowns still count as "kills" from the story perspective.
@@Pablud3S That would be great. If I´m not wrong Khaga asks you to escort them out anyway so it would make sense for an option to just escort their asses out of the grove kill some goblins and be happy.
@@asliceofloaf1984 Eh, more that she didn't have a choice about it rather than she never wanted to. Considering her lust for power, if she had thought they were in her way or that she could have had the artefact's power herself through them, she totally would have killed them
4:40 she even admits the slaughter was something she would not pointlessly participate in. We deserve to have a non lethal option to keep her around or a fleshed out Gobbo questline to match the tieflings
This is a such common misconception about Minthara. She is not judging, she’s just curious. She compares them to rats the very next line and says, “It is as good reason as any”. She doesn’t hate that she had to kill the refugees. She hates that she had no choice. But now she has it. And make no mistake - she would follow us and kill as many more as we want. And this is just one of the reasons why she’s such a great character.
@@MrTarakanishershe repeatedly states she takes no pleasure in pointlessly harming others. She even kind of judges you for partaking in the massacre whilst seemingly still beeing of sound mind
I think an alternate story should be possible. One where you capture her for information and in interrogation break her bond to the absolute. Then she joins you for revenge it’s kinda weird the game forcing you to massacre the grove or the goblins. It’s more of a you’re going to kill a bunch of people which are you more comfortable with. An alternate route would make sense as well.
she can't join you even if you do that, because the main reason she does is that Ketheric and the Absolute judge her and then try to erase her mind. That's when her devotion gives a crack, you only have to push it a bit with removing the absolute's mind grip.
@@boanoah6362 yea im saving her for my third playthrough, finished my second earlier today and was good durge resisting the urge. Might do a durge run that i still resist, but am lawful evil instead
Minthara, of all companions perhaps except laezel, is an utter realist. She sees opportunity and takes it, sees people as she is aware. It’s not glorious, but it is honest
she is lustful for power and have delusions of grandeur. I genuinely fail to see any quality in her besides for those who want a 100% evil playthrough.
@@IRedpunkShe's a Menzoberranzonian (seems like that should be the proper term for "one born/raised in Menzoberranzan,") of House Baenre. That's as cutthroat as it gets. I don't think she's inherently any worse than Jarlaxle, & he's one of the most popular characters in the Forgotten Realms.
she's definitely self-aware, but still power-hungry and ruthless. There is something likable in how she carries herself as a drow aristocracy and she does have some flashes of vulnerability if you try to pursue romance... but somehow that's not enough to make her a truly likable character. Maybe if they had given her more development in Act 3, it would have been different, but alas
That's not honesty, just a self-fulfilling prophecy of using people and treating everyone the way she's used to. Why do people try to equate complete cynicism with "realism" somehow?
When she said Lae'zel's rebellion is childish, I'm ded. I love the part of her that just sees the situation as is. It's surface level comment, but it's a damn good one, a funnier one at that
Just make it so she appears at moonrise if you knock her out in the goblin camp. Easy fix for a complex problem. Would make sense as well for her to be the one standing trial.
you should be able to keep her alive even if you detroy the goblin camp, by act 2 she has the same goals as you theres no reason to kill her. there should be a scene you use the artifact to give her free will back or something idk
Minthara is best companion. Logic > emotion. A calculated mind is something every team needs. Waiting till the patch to fix her voice lines and then ima murder the Grove and move onto act 2. Playing my alt until that time.
Minthara is best girl, but it does seem like her story concludes after the battle at Moonrise Towers. It just becomes a "help me kill a list of people" storyline. The evil storyline in general seems like an afterthought.
I think it would be nice if, when she is asking for the location of the druid's grove if you successfully deceive her that she would go to investigate, leaving you to wipe out Ragzlin and Gut and the Tieflings are able to escape, which lets her join later.
4:30 - this is why I play with a mod that brings Minthara to act 2 even if killed. This is one bad choice on Larian side - the only way to discover she's not a fantasy Hitler murdering for no real reason is to murder tieflings and druids for no valid reason (since character-wise with no prior knowledge either can cure you, siding with "good" guys minimizes risk of being betrayed in the future and if news leaks out we'd be shunned in civilised societies) essentially being stupid evil.
You know most of what I've seen of baldur's gate left me surprisingly disinterested, but I think Minthara might lure me into finally giving it a shot. Hard to say no to a powermad drow mistress with dreams of ruling eternally alongside her scaly serial killer bf.
4:18 there is a unique dialogue when you didn’t kill the tieflings and still managed to recruit minthara. She instead asks why you came to moonrise towers. Its insane that the developers thought about a backup line, when you can only recruit minthara and save the tieflings with glitches/mods.
@@StargamerXD No that’s true, they do not survive act 1 if you do not finish the goblin camp, I think (either Kagha or the goblins kill them). I meant to say that it’s possible to see the dialogue you mentioned without glitches. Recruiting Minthara AND saving the tieflings is a glitch, yes.
Mint has the best redemption story arc in the game. Check, in all of the past decade of games. And her story is not even fully available/ in the game (cut content). If you respond to her question that you enjoy killing, etc., she finds you to be repulsive. She’s not the typical “evil murderer”, far from it, she has a code. That’s why she’s “Mint.”
Is she really redeemed though. Definitely love her story and the scene of rescuing her is probably my favorite in game. But she's got the mindset of an evil dictator throughout the story, lawful evil in that shed do anything for power.
there's anything but true redemption in her story. It's clearly undercooked with what currently is there in Act 3. She still pursues power and is an evil-aligned character
She's literally just an evil genocidal murderer, (and rapist) stop simping just because she has boobs. Yes sure you can play the game any way you wish, but trying to justify how Minthara who's 100% pure evil from beginning to the end is somehow morally grey is pathetic. She's not. And that's fine.
i love her so much, she has so much depth to her character, i really do wish you could just leave her alive after killing the other goblin leaders. I tried to kill them all but her and free her at the tower but the tieflings didnt make it, even with having the shadow druids step down and allowing the tieflings to stay. Shes had a rough life and i think the player character leading her towards redemption is nice idea
I wish you could get her without siding with the goblins. I dont mind killing the Tieflings but if you do it then ACT2 is kinda barren and you miss out on fantastic items. You just lose too much and she is still bugged.
@@TheDani3losYou can't fix the shadow lands, get halsin obviously, can't get any items the tieflings will give you (the robe from alfira is GG), can't fix karlach, unfulfilled quest archs in act 2. It even follows you into act 3. This is just some of what you lose killing the grove. I absolutely hate this choice they give you....
@@VengefulMaverick Tbh you don't really get any consequence for "fixing the shadow lands" aside from a small inconsequential buff in the end of the end game. Also Karlach leaves you if you side with Minthara anyway so that's a non-issue.
@@invictus7736 Fixing the shadow lands is a good thing. Plus there have been hints and signs it's spreading. As for karlach, there is dialogue between her and minthara. So they either cut another way to get her, or it's bugged. Idk. I find it kinda stupid so much content was cut.
@@VengefulMaverick It's "a good thing" only for your headcanon, because it has no effect on the game aside from the aforementioned small buff. It's basically just a tiny cutscene and that's it. Not exactly catastrophic to miss out on.
the real tragedy is that this performance will be missed by those who neither mod nor tolerate doing what is required to bring her over. Her character is just too good and well performed in contrast to the rest that it is a shame that some people wills imply miss out on it.
I noticed a bit of a mistake in the writing. When you talk to Minthara at Moonrise she says Orin laughed as a Mindflayer stuck a tadpole in her eye, then here at camp she says Orin administered the tadpole herself.
Toxic? That’s not a toxic personality she has, not in the slightest. I’ve experienced all her dialog options and, even without having gone over her cut content at the time, she actually does have a moral code of honor. Look harder, read deeper, and understand her culture my dude
the word iblith is used in conjuction of High Drow and meaning filth or ungood. In Arabic its the name of the Satan and in Islamic Mythology the leader of all Devils and Jinns.
In Arabic it's Iblis. Iblith is probably a borrowing from something closer to hebrew, because in Forgotten Realms there are other similar names for creatures from the Abyss, e.g. bebilith.
Such a great character that cannot be experienced unless you go out of your way to kill a bunch of people who can help you for really no good character reason, or walk away from it all like a coward (and miss the game's best animated sex scene)
Not really, they did put in a patch that allows you to recruit her on a good run of the game. It involves provoking her by stealing or assaulting someone in her presence. But not her herself. This will put her in a temporary hostile state. Using non-lethal attacks, a toggle found in passives you can use melee to knock her out. Her state will read as Knocked out Temporary. This means she will awaken after a long rest. So do not do so until after you have killed the other two and finished the kill the goblin leadership quest you get from either Halsin or Zevlor. They will celebrate at your camp. This will resolve the quest then it's safe to long rest. She should then appear at Moonrise in the same scene as if you sided with her and killed the grove. She has to be either the first or second leader you deal with. The priestess can be dealt with easily by casting silence on her this prevents her from calling for help and beating the ever-loving crap out of her. With the goblin chief being last as he will on death agro every person in the camp including her if she hasn't been dealt with. With her being full hostile knocking her out the game will consider her dead regardless of what you do in that case. Good to make a hard save before attempting it so you do not have to restart the entire game to get back to that point.
I'd fine with it being a choice between her and Halsin, considering when you can get her, you can still lift the Shadow Curse before losing Halsin as a Companion. No need to butcher druids or tieflings, even if its as simple as sparing her and coming up into Act 2 with her before Thorm, and sparing her from that point onward to force the choice of one or the other.
Best ideas I can think of: -Option to spare some goblins, and Minthara in taking the Goblin Camp. -Option to capture her, interrogate her, and either release her, or maybe she escapes off-screen. In both above options, when you first meet Thorm, it plays the whole scene where he sentences Minthara, and you can rescue her from the dungeons (I believe that's what happens? I saw it in another video). Since Halsin joins you around this time in Act 2, you can still try and lift the Shadow Curse if you do it first, then invite Minthara and lose Halsin (though knowing Halsin? I think it'd be more likely to use the other druid companion first, lol).
At first I was sad to see Minthara doesn't have a personnal quest like Shadowheart, Astarion and Leazel. But... I realised it wasn't necessary if you play Dark Urge. Actuzlly her motivations about vengeance toward Ketheric and Orin makes her a very trustable companion because she wants exactly the same thing than you : get free from the absolute which manipulated her. I felt more implicated in my mission because of her actually because she wants to succeed with you. Like a second reason for us to succeed : Minthara needs her revenge to get free from her demons... which are the same than yours.
Hi guys I am starting my second playthrough soon and was wondering how to get her as a companion. I killed her without even knowing who she was lol I was wondering why this enemy npc had underwear and camp supplies pouch :D Do I need to be evil all the time to get her as companion or romance?
MY first play through I killed Minthy with the other two and continued on with Karlach romance...Second playthrough as a Diurge....and I saved Minthy and have not been disappointed...So far Minthara has been my fav Companion. they should have a DLC where you can start BG3 as her and get the events of her becoming a cultists as a prequel...and you get to see the events through act 1 and part of act 2 from her eyes.
They need to fix her recruitment path, losing three npcs and being responsible for the deaths of all the small thieflings are not worth it. No character costs you even remotely as much in recruiting them so this feels like an oversight.
@@saint8257nah, Karlach magically just KNOWS you killed them. Minthara is just not worth that many lost quests, vendors, NPCs, experience, and 3 full companions (Halsin, Wyll, and Karlach)
@@dualwieldroxas358Hey, I agree to disagree. On act 3 on my first playthrough, and will gladly display Karlach's head while Minthara and I have a dinner date.
What Minthara is supposed to say: Minthara to Fiona Du'Varia: "Orin held me down in a cacoon of flesh, while a mind flayer forced a parasite into my brian. And she laughed at my fear. She took from me my feelings for you by force and warped them, twisted them to be about herself. To make me obediant. To make me her slave. I will find her. I will murder her. And then I will smile once more." Words of advice, never fuck with a yandere drow.
I’m so tired of everybody saying you should be able to get her on a good play through. I don’t think you should be able to do all of the cool things on a single Playthru of a game this big. It would make all of your choices feel even more meaningless than they already are. Just deal with the fact you cannot get the evil companion you without doing the evil thing.
there is some awkwardness in the disconnect between how she's only recruitable by tavs who wanted to be evil, and the fact that she thinks you've got no excuse for helping her, but she is still a ruthless Drow noblewoman who is lawful evil at the end of the day, so if you're playing Durge, you get a dialogue option to blame the voices in your head for making you help raid the camp when she questions you, which i really like because all the other excuses are awful. "I wanted to impress you" makes your Tav look like a moron simp. Also, when you speak with Zevlor as you inform him you led the Goblin warhost to attack, he asks why, and you can say "I'm sorry, I didn't want to but I can't control it." So the best way to roleplay recruiting Minthara as someone who wouldn't be repugnant to her is a Durge who was initially going along with their dark urges, but then 180ing and resisting it after act 2 starts.
I agree in principle but the problem is that they wrote a whole redemption arc for her in the game specifically for good Tavs but on release the only way to get her as a good character was through a literal bug. Minthara was just sloppily implemented, from her character arcs even to her backstory as a Baenre, which is literally impossible if you've actually read the Forgotten Realms novels. She also says things about her own people which are inaccurate and clearly the result of Larian not knowing enough about the Forgotten Realms to write a story that connects to so many other very well established aspects of the setting. The Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 references were especially painful. I feel like this game should not have even had a connection to the first two.
She seems like such a fun character, it's just a shame you have to be a total psychopath to recruit her. I don't necessarily care much about the Druids in the Cove, but you just have to sacrifice so much to get her in your camp; short of an evil mindflayer run, it's too hard to rationalize joining her.
I don't get why people keep trolling that shitte how they wanna Minthara without commiting attrocities. They are tied to her. That's how she acts. How she thinks. Take it away and it is not Minthara anymore. People just live in delusion they can "fix" everyone.
It should be noted she literally has a line where she stares that the grove was due to the parasite/absolute brainwashing. Shes evil, in the same way that astarion and laezelle are evil, she's ruthless and power hungry and has a skewed view of right and wrong relative to normal people. Its hardly some compulsive need to do massacres, nor does she join you BECAUSE you did a massacre as much as because of your character/because you save her.
@@ktkr5273 is Lae really evil though? Isn't it more about being Gith? She is as her people shaped her to be. Militaristic and at first quite narrow minded in her ways. She changes significantly if given enough attention. Of course I may be wrong, but I wouldn't consider her truly evil.
Should be fixed soon hopefully. I finished act 1 all except for the Grove and upon looking online I realized if I continue now I may miss something Minthara related. So I saved and switch over to my alt playthrough where ima save the grove.
@@rafaljarmuszkiewicz514 ye they also said they will fix it like a bit later and depending on player reception they might even add more content for her.
Apparently only if you ignore the Druids/Tieflings grove quest and just let it play out by itself. This way Wyll and Karlach won't blame you as you didn't participate directly. It's a valid choice to not engaging with that storyline, as it's not mandatory for the overall story.
You can find a document in Kethoric's room that details the plan to lure a house matron to moonrise to capture and force an alliance between Moonrise and Mezobaranzan. It turns out that matron was Minthara. The story she tells about how she was converted is her side and how she ended up falling for Kethoric's ruse.
I feel sorry for her VA, all the others getting massive kudos. And minthara is forgotten because the game design around recruiting her is fucking stupid.
After hotfix #5, larian confirmed She never be recruit by a good guys, sadge. Now waiting for modders to find a loophole themselves for the good guys :
Why ? Do you know her story exactly? that you say so? She has a bigger heart and is more empathetic and smarter than all your companions combined. You realize that? or are you just repeating what others say, judging her superficially, in fact, you are making yourself paranoid, not her.
I don't know why people think she's the best companion...after Act 2 she is basically mute and not nearly as involved in the story as any of the others.
there are some bits and pieces in Act 3 but that's it, probably due to the infamous bug everybody is talking about. There is a video here on youtube where a modder got one of her dialogues triggered through scripting and it appears there is something of a romance in Act 3, she even confesses her "love" to MC. So we should wait for it to be fixed, and then see
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"I will never tire of sitting on dead mens' thrones."
Whoah, what a fucking awesome line holy shit
The instant I saw her on that throne I knew I had made the right choice.
Total WTF moment for me too when I saw her just randomly sitting on the throne 😅
While wearing his armor, no less. Minthara is the best.
Evil d&d character done beautifully. Charming, funny, inspiring, loyal, and ruthless. The fact that she can show sympathy, regret, vulnerability, and openly aknowledge her flaws, while still unapologetically suggesting to enslave the world is such a fantasticly accurate depiction of drow.
I saw another comment somewhere say that it was interesting how laurian made the most evil character the most romantically loyal. When she does let someone in, you get all of her and she brings you along for the ride.
Yeah she's basically Viconia from Baldur's Gate 2.
that's "the villain will sacrifice the world for you" typa thing
Emma Gregory did such a fantastic job in this role. I hope she wins some awards, because it's a shame 2/3rds of players will never experience the full breadth of her performance.
One of the things I hate is if you want her in your party you have to give up on a lot of content. Evil route is lacking content compared to the good route.
@@cilith1 Would be interesting to see an option where you can capture her. A way to convivence maybe to not force you to kill her if you don't want to. I know you can steal some kind of artifact from the druids and let the goblins slaughter the grove an everyone in it but that's still pretty evil for most people. I thought about recruiting her on a Dark Urge playthrough but there are apparently risks with that as well.
She even asks you as much, she had no control of her actions and she fails either way, so if you beat her up and leave her unconscious, she should show up at Moonrise being tortured, and yet she just vanishes completely. I know because I tried, some goblins miraculously survive the massacre but she's just gone. And you lose the larva if you do that.
It's like they didn't want you to be able to recruit her unless you become the most comical villain you can possibly be, and yet she seems so much deeper a character than that.
So basically, they set you up with a main character that is a caricature and loses lots of content, and a sidekick that will steal the show for as long as her story lasts.
people get really FOMO about losing karlach wyll and halsin. But I'm loving my dark urge/minthara playthrough. It's crazy how many differently evil things you can do as dark urge.
Damn, her voice actress did tremendous work here! She sounds amazing.
I liked her play, but it feels like she somewhat old, older than she looks at least
@@MrDeathBoss Yeah the voice actress is great but she sounds a bit too old for the model used.
@@Redrik666 i mean Drow can live to be 400 years old, not sure how old Minthara is but living through drow culture surely makes you way older than just living as a random dude to adulthood lol
imo the voice fits perfectly
She is a drow. She is old by human standards.
@@Kill0rGurke we mean she sounds a bit like an granny, she might be 180 years old but she looks young we all know that elves have an big longevity but 180 years old like it would be something like an mid 20's humanlike. Nathyrra in Neverwinter nights 1 died of age in something like 450 years
She is the best. "The child ignores you. Would you like me to dispose of her?" hahahaha
My male drow monk called them potential food and she was like "uh.. no, for work actually"
They're in Lolth couples therapy, probably.
Minthara made me change my playstyle. Minthara forced me to go Anakin on the Druids. Minthara made me replay whole segments of my first playthrough.
I'm on my 4th and final playthrough, which was all for Minthara.
Only a true soul deals in Absolutes.
@@GrandMarshalGarithos Absolutely.
Final? Are you so sure?
To be fair. Mol and her mini cronies are super annoying.
I like that you can say you attacked the druids/tieflings just to impress her. That's the exact type of weirdo thing Anakin would say lol
"From my point of view these refugees are evil."
I know it wouldn't make sense, but I wish there was a proper way to get Minthara without sacking the Druid cove. Especially since her redemption arc better suits a more morally good run. You almost need to commit the sins and redeem yourself along with her, but in a much shorter time which makes less sense for your PC.
You can walk away from the conflict and leave the tieflings to die, while keeping Wyll and Karlach on your team and getting Minthara, but it removes so much content down the line. I prefer to just mod her into my good run.
Worst part of all is that she never even wanted to kill the tieflings and asks you why you took her side at 4:30 ish in the video.
Larian could implement a momentous escort quest to save the tieflings without touching anything to do with druids or the absolute.
A high dialogue check combined with a cutscene showing the artifact interfering with her connection to the absolute could open it up in a more organic way.
That or add an option to use the non-lethal knock-out on her and wipe out the rest of the goblins. From what I've seen right now non-lethal takedowns still count as "kills" from the story perspective.
@@Pablud3S That would be great. If I´m not wrong Khaga asks you to escort them out anyway so it would make sense for an option to just escort their asses out of the grove kill some goblins and be happy.
@@asliceofloaf1984 Eh, more that she didn't have a choice about it rather than she never wanted to. Considering her lust for power, if she had thought they were in her way or that she could have had the artefact's power herself through them, she totally would have killed them
4:40 she even admits the slaughter was something she would not pointlessly participate in. We deserve to have a non lethal option to keep her around or a fleshed out Gobbo questline to match the tieflings
This is a such common misconception about Minthara. She is not judging, she’s just curious. She compares them to rats the very next line and says, “It is as good reason as any”. She doesn’t hate that she had to kill the refugees. She hates that she had no choice. But now she has it. And make no mistake - she would follow us and kill as many more as we want. And this is just one of the reasons why she’s such a great character.
@@MrTarakanishershe repeatedly states she takes no pleasure in pointlessly harming others. She even kind of judges you for partaking in the massacre whilst seemingly still beeing of sound mind
Patch 5.
They gave Minthara such a nice character and voice acting. I love her opinions on other companions.
I think an alternate story should be possible. One where you capture her for information and in interrogation break her bond to the absolute. Then she joins you for revenge it’s kinda weird the game forcing you to massacre the grove or the goblins. It’s more of a you’re going to kill a bunch of people which are you more comfortable with. An alternate route would make sense as well.
You don't have to do any of that, you can just ignore the grove and the goblins. If you do that you will still be able to recruit her.
@@Hekk. oh I didn’t know what what happens to halsin then.
You can go back for hin once you went to the creche and mit will be gone but halsin still in the goblin Camp just 2 Leaders to go instead of three xD
@@adijokel3280 weird I’ve heard that’s really buggy to have both could be interesting to mess with tho
she can't join you even if you do that, because the main reason she does is that Ketheric and the Absolute judge her and then try to erase her mind. That's when her devotion gives a crack, you only have to push it a bit with removing the absolute's mind grip.
I wish I didn’t have to hurt so many people just to hang out with her. I love her so much
Theres a few mods out there that allow you to save tieflings and still recruit her in Act II. :)
@@OathDubs Sadly, as cool as Minthara is her romance tree is still borked to fuck and back so until Larian fixes her it's probably not worth it.
@@boanoah6362 yea im saving her for my third playthrough, finished my second earlier today and was good durge resisting the urge. Might do a durge run that i still resist, but am lawful evil instead
I wish we had more evil companions. Sadly, we only get like three, including Minthara.
Don't take best girl away from us evildoers!
@@denises753 Who else? Only other is astarion. Lae'zel is pretty reasonable for a githyanki, and shadowheart is only evil if you let her be.
Minthara, of all companions perhaps except laezel, is an utter realist. She sees opportunity and takes it, sees people as she is aware. It’s not glorious, but it is honest
Hardly.
she is lustful for power and have delusions of grandeur. I genuinely fail to see any quality in her besides for those who want a 100% evil playthrough.
@@IRedpunkShe's a Menzoberranzonian (seems like that should be the proper term for "one born/raised in Menzoberranzan,") of House Baenre. That's as cutthroat as it gets. I don't think she's inherently any worse than Jarlaxle, & he's one of the most popular characters in the Forgotten Realms.
she's definitely self-aware, but still power-hungry and ruthless. There is something likable in how she carries herself as a drow aristocracy and she does have some flashes of vulnerability if you try to pursue romance... but somehow that's not enough to make her a truly likable character. Maybe if they had given her more development in Act 3, it would have been different, but alas
That's not honesty, just a self-fulfilling prophecy of using people and treating everyone the way she's used to.
Why do people try to equate complete cynicism with "realism" somehow?
I did my first playthrough with Minthara. She is great, i wish there was more.
She is uncomplete as a companion right now. I’d do another run after they update her and her interactions.
she is incomplete, she is bugged + she is missing about 1500 lines of Dialog atm stated by larien X., will be fixed soon tho
@@Impoignessi am holding my dark urge campaign until mintharan is fixed
same
@@doubled99218motherfucker that was fixed a day or two ago
When she said Lae'zel's rebellion is childish, I'm ded. I love the part of her that just sees the situation as is. It's surface level comment, but it's a damn good one, a funnier one at that
Just make it so she appears at moonrise if you knock her out in the goblin camp. Easy fix for a complex problem. Would make sense as well for her to be the one standing trial.
Man's literally predicted the future...
Divination Wizard LvL20 be damned!
Minthara very much reminds me of carmilla from the castlevania anime. Especially with that line on the throne
you should be able to keep her alive even if you detroy the goblin camp, by act 2 she has the same goals as you theres no reason to kill her. there should be a scene you use the artifact to give her free will back or something idk
in her room at teh camp, u can cut out the bridge and leave her alive while u fight everyone else at the goblin camp
She's got a great sense of humor as well, did she ever tell you about the man that married a Drider? Best girl.
She is the best part of the evil playthrough!
Minthara is best companion. Logic > emotion. A calculated mind is something every team needs. Waiting till the patch to fix her voice lines and then ima murder the Grove and move onto act 2. Playing my alt until that time.
God I LOVE her voice. Kudos to her voice actor! She sounds so similar to Eartha Kitt.
Her evil route is so good with Astarion. People need to go murderhobo with her!
Minthara is best girl, but it does seem like her story concludes after the battle at Moonrise Towers. It just becomes a "help me kill a list of people" storyline. The evil storyline in general seems like an afterthought.
I think it would be nice if, when she is asking for the location of the druid's grove if you successfully deceive her that she would go to investigate, leaving you to wipe out Ragzlin and Gut and the Tieflings are able to escape, which lets her join later.
4:30 - this is why I play with a mod that brings Minthara to act 2 even if killed.
This is one bad choice on Larian side - the only way to discover she's not a fantasy Hitler murdering for no real reason is to murder tieflings and druids for no valid reason (since character-wise with no prior knowledge either can cure you, siding with "good" guys minimizes risk of being betrayed in the future and if news leaks out we'd be shunned in civilised societies) essentially being stupid evil.
1 Drow > a bunch of druids and tieflings 😂
You know most of what I've seen of baldur's gate left me surprisingly disinterested, but I think Minthara might lure me into finally giving it a shot. Hard to say no to a powermad drow mistress with dreams of ruling eternally alongside her scaly serial killer bf.
Emma Gregory is fucking killing it
I’ve seen pretty much all of her dialogue but I never put it together that it was Orin who dragged her into this. Holy shit the connections.
Man, Emma Gregory (her VA) is really killing it.
Didn't get a chance to romance her. I failed a check when I got into the Goblin camp & after that, everybody had to die.😂
4:18 there is a unique dialogue when you didn’t kill the tieflings and still managed to recruit minthara. She instead asks why you came to moonrise towers. Its insane that the developers thought about a backup line, when you can only recruit minthara and save the tieflings with glitches/mods.
You can do it without glitches, you just need to ignore the Halsin questline and the goblin camp.
@@poakcastle is it up for random then if the tieflings survive? Saving them later on in moonrise gets you a lot of quest rewards.
@@StargamerXD No that’s true, they do not survive act 1 if you do not finish the goblin camp, I think (either Kagha or the goblins kill them). I meant to say that it’s possible to see the dialogue you mentioned without glitches.
Recruiting Minthara AND saving the tieflings is a glitch, yes.
@@poakcastle ah okay got it
Mint has the best redemption story arc in the game. Check, in all of the past decade of games. And her story is not even fully available/ in the game (cut content). If you respond to her question that you enjoy killing, etc., she finds you to be repulsive. She’s not the typical “evil murderer”, far from it, she has a code. That’s why she’s “Mint.”
Is she really redeemed though. Definitely love her story and the scene of rescuing her is probably my favorite in game. But she's got the mindset of an evil dictator throughout the story, lawful evil in that shed do anything for power.
yeah she also abandons that resentment and turns it into outrought admiration if you go full evil dark urge and embrace the slayer form@@johnjacob8445
there's anything but true redemption in her story. It's clearly undercooked with what currently is there in Act 3. She still pursues power and is an evil-aligned character
She's literally just an evil genocidal murderer, (and rapist) stop simping just because she has boobs. Yes sure you can play the game any way you wish, but trying to justify how Minthara who's 100% pure evil from beginning to the end is somehow morally grey is pathetic. She's not. And that's fine.
She is a paladin. That implies purpose and a code of behavior. It's not surprising that she would find random killing distasteful
i love her so much, she has so much depth to her character, i really do wish you could just leave her alive after killing the other goblin leaders. I tried to kill them all but her and free her at the tower but the tieflings didnt make it, even with having the shadow druids step down and allowing the tieflings to stay. Shes had a rough life and i think the player character leading her towards redemption is nice idea
I knocked her out in the first chapter, and then I saved her.
@@solaris4019 I thought you couldn’t do that! Aaaaaaaa I know what I’m doing on my next play through
so on this play through, i attempted that and it did not work, she did not show up in act 2 after knocking her out :c@@solaris4019
Got dang it! All I can hear is Jenit Sulla from the Ciaphas Cain books xD
Ci Ci Ciaphas Cain! Hero of the imperium!
I wish you could get her without siding with the goblins. I dont mind killing the Tieflings but if you do it then ACT2 is kinda barren and you miss out on fantastic items. You just lose too much and she is still bugged.
Can you add more details of act 2 consequences?
@@TheDani3losYou can't fix the shadow lands, get halsin obviously, can't get any items the tieflings will give you (the robe from alfira is GG), can't fix karlach, unfulfilled quest archs in act 2. It even follows you into act 3.
This is just some of what you lose killing the grove. I absolutely hate this choice they give you....
@@VengefulMaverick Tbh you don't really get any consequence for "fixing the shadow lands" aside from a small inconsequential buff in the end of the end game. Also Karlach leaves you if you side with Minthara anyway so that's a non-issue.
@@invictus7736
Fixing the shadow lands is a good thing. Plus there have been hints and signs it's spreading.
As for karlach, there is dialogue between her and minthara. So they either cut another way to get her, or it's bugged. Idk. I find it kinda stupid so much content was cut.
@@VengefulMaverick It's "a good thing" only for your headcanon, because it has no effect on the game aside from the aforementioned small buff. It's basically just a tiny cutscene and that's it. Not exactly catastrophic to miss out on.
you wait 30 seconds after she stops speaking to pick a response. my brain hurts
nah, it's relatable
Damn kinda felt bad I had my monk yeet her ass into a pit.
She doesn't question why you killed the tieflings if they died prior to her attack.
the real tragedy is that this performance will be missed by those who neither mod nor tolerate doing what is required to bring her over. Her character is just too good and well performed in contrast to the rest that it is a shame that some people wills imply miss out on it.
Just knock her out in the Grove (use non-lethal damage).
I noticed a bit of a mistake in the writing. When you talk to Minthara at Moonrise she says Orin laughed as a Mindflayer stuck a tadpole in her eye, then here at camp she says Orin administered the tadpole herself.
she really seems like the toxic kind of girl i can make some mistakes with
Toxic? That’s not a toxic personality she has, not in the slightest. I’ve experienced all her dialog options and, even without having gone over her cut content at the time, she actually does have a moral code of honor. Look harder, read deeper, and understand her culture my dude
@@dozerroman4325"Moral code of honor" she's not honerable or moral 😂
I can fix her
@@dozerroman4325 (The moral code of honor: "you better become my slave or i'll rape you" 5 seconds after you win her war for her)
the word iblith is used in conjuction of High Drow and meaning filth or ungood.
In Arabic its the name of the Satan and in Islamic Mythology the leader of all Devils and Jinns.
Cool, thanks for sharing
I know that from Sonic 06
In Arabic it's Iblis. Iblith is probably a borrowing from something closer to hebrew, because in Forgotten Realms there are other similar names for creatures from the Abyss, e.g. bebilith.
4:20 if you get her the new way(which is to knock her out at the goblin camp with non lethal attacks) she will instead ask why you saved her
dragon born bodies look like Barbeque
Emma Gregory is a badass
She is also great in the Ciaphas Cain books. (The VA)
Such a great character that cannot be experienced unless you go out of your way to kill a bunch of people who can help you for really no good character reason, or walk away from it all like a coward (and miss the game's best animated sex scene)
Not really, they did put in a patch that allows you to recruit her on a good run of the game. It involves provoking her by stealing or assaulting someone in her presence. But not her herself. This will put her in a temporary hostile state. Using non-lethal attacks, a toggle found in passives you can use melee to knock her out. Her state will read as Knocked out Temporary. This means she will awaken after a long rest. So do not do so until after you have killed the other two and finished the kill the goblin leadership quest you get from either Halsin or Zevlor. They will celebrate at your camp. This will resolve the quest then it's safe to long rest. She should then appear at Moonrise in the same scene as if you sided with her and killed the grove. She has to be either the first or second leader you deal with. The priestess can be dealt with easily by casting silence on her this prevents her from calling for help and beating the ever-loving crap out of her. With the goblin chief being last as he will on death agro every person in the camp including her if she hasn't been dealt with. With her being full hostile knocking her out the game will consider her dead regardless of what you do in that case. Good to make a hard save before attempting it so you do not have to restart the entire game to get back to that point.
I'd fine with it being a choice between her and Halsin, considering when you can get her, you can still lift the Shadow Curse before losing Halsin as a Companion. No need to butcher druids or tieflings, even if its as simple as sparing her and coming up into Act 2 with her before Thorm, and sparing her from that point onward to force the choice of one or the other.
Best ideas I can think of:
-Option to spare some goblins, and Minthara in taking the Goblin Camp.
-Option to capture her, interrogate her, and either release her, or maybe she escapes off-screen.
In both above options, when you first meet Thorm, it plays the whole scene where he sentences Minthara, and you can rescue her from the dungeons (I believe that's what happens? I saw it in another video). Since Halsin joins you around this time in Act 2, you can still try and lift the Shadow Curse if you do it first, then invite Minthara and lose Halsin (though knowing Halsin? I think it'd be more likely to use the other druid companion first, lol).
That doesn't work anymore.
What skin colour option does your Dark Urge have? Is he green or brass?
I only wish you didn't have to be evil for her to be by your side. I really wanted to romance her.
You don’t have to you just need to go to act two without messing with the goblins
@@user-mu8ok5xf8d does that mean you just have to skip the whole goblin quest and head to moonrise towers?
There are some mods where you are able to knock her out, and she appears at moonrise towers in Act 2.
@@maning04 yeah, if u skip druid grove storyline u can recruit her, but... all tiefling will be dead and grove closed
Don't think you can romance her yet. Supposedly bugged. Atleast I couldn't with my play through outside the one night stand.
they should really do something about tails and capes...
It would have been interesting if the TAV Minthara pregnancy made it to the game
@TheRealDT69 there are voice lines and responses left in the game files for a pregnancy arc
what the fuck
Future dlc!!!!!
- To impress you.
- Euhuehue-
At first I was sad to see Minthara doesn't have a personnal quest like Shadowheart, Astarion and Leazel.
But... I realised it wasn't necessary if you play Dark Urge. Actuzlly her motivations about vengeance toward Ketheric and Orin makes her a very trustable companion because she wants exactly the same thing than you : get free from the absolute which manipulated her.
I felt more implicated in my mission because of her actually because she wants to succeed with you. Like a second reason for us to succeed : Minthara needs her revenge to get free from her demons... which are the same than yours.
Hers is pretty straight forward revenge on Orin.
Her Name is Minthara "Bae"nre
Minthara is her.
Hi guys I am starting my second playthrough soon and was wondering how to get her as a companion. I killed her without even knowing who she was lol I was wondering why this enemy npc had underwear and camp supplies pouch :D Do I need to be evil all the time to get her as companion or romance?
MY first play through I killed Minthy with the other two and continued on with Karlach romance...Second playthrough as a Diurge....and I saved Minthy and have not been disappointed...So far Minthara has been my fav Companion. they should have a DLC where you can start BG3 as her and get the events of her becoming a cultists as a prequel...and you get to see the events through act 1 and part of act 2 from her eyes.
They need to fix her recruitment path, losing three npcs and being responsible for the deaths of all the small thieflings are not worth it. No character costs you even remotely as much in recruiting them so this feels like an oversight.
Shes clearly here for an evil playthrough.
You don't need to lose Karlach if you massacre the tieflings first THEN find Karlach, probably.
No.@@saint8257
@@saint8257nah, Karlach magically just KNOWS you killed them.
Minthara is just not worth that many lost quests, vendors, NPCs, experience, and 3 full companions (Halsin, Wyll, and Karlach)
@@dualwieldroxas358Hey, I agree to disagree. On act 3 on my first playthrough, and will gladly display Karlach's head while Minthara and I have a dinner date.
Well, now I need to get her in my camp next playthrough.
I knocked her out when I raided the goblin camp. Shoulda known she was playable!
She reminds me of sylvanas windrunner both look and story wise.
that must be some really old memories.... Burn it! ;)
Wait, is this what happens if you don't blow her up with a bunch of smokepowder barrels after executing every single goblin in the camp?
No, that's what happens if you help her kill all the tieflings and druids. But I guess you already know it
@@zeratulrus142 Nah, tbh i had no clue she was even a major character. I never even spoke with her, just walked in and blew her up.
@@jojomaster7675 based
And again, *Larian proves great writing.* This particular writing (Mintharas story), I will never enjoy in game, though!
Oh man now I’m excited to do my evil wizard run
What Minthara is supposed to say:
Minthara to Fiona Du'Varia: "Orin held me down in a cacoon of flesh, while a mind flayer forced a parasite into my brian. And she laughed at my fear. She took from me my feelings for you by force and warped them, twisted them to be about herself. To make me obediant. To make me her slave. I will find her. I will murder her. And then I will smile once more."
Words of advice, never fuck with a yandere drow.
I’m so tired of everybody saying you should be able to get her on a good play through. I don’t think you should be able to do all of the cool things on a single Playthru of a game this big. It would make all of your choices feel even more meaningless than they already are. Just deal with the fact you cannot get the evil companion you without doing the evil thing.
there is some awkwardness in the disconnect between how she's only recruitable by tavs who wanted to be evil, and the fact that she thinks you've got no excuse for helping her, but she is still a ruthless Drow noblewoman who is lawful evil at the end of the day, so if you're playing Durge, you get a dialogue option to blame the voices in your head for making you help raid the camp when she questions you, which i really like because all the other excuses are awful. "I wanted to impress you" makes your Tav look like a moron simp. Also, when you speak with Zevlor as you inform him you led the Goblin warhost to attack, he asks why, and you can say "I'm sorry, I didn't want to but I can't control it." So the best way to roleplay recruiting Minthara as someone who wouldn't be repugnant to her is a Durge who was initially going along with their dark urges, but then 180ing and resisting it after act 2 starts.
The problem with it is is you don't gain enough to replace what you lose by recruiting her, which just discourages doing evil runs, at least for me
I agree in principle but the problem is that they wrote a whole redemption arc for her in the game specifically for good Tavs but on release the only way to get her as a good character was through a literal bug.
Minthara was just sloppily implemented, from her character arcs even to her backstory as a Baenre, which is literally impossible if you've actually read the Forgotten Realms novels. She also says things about her own people which are inaccurate and clearly the result of Larian not knowing enough about the Forgotten Realms to write a story that connects to so many other very well established aspects of the setting. The Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 references were especially painful. I feel like this game should not have even had a connection to the first two.
I can fix her.
She seems like such a fun character, it's just a shame you have to be a total psychopath to recruit her.
I don't necessarily care much about the Druids in the Cove, but you just have to sacrifice so much to get her in your camp; short of an evil mindflayer run, it's too hard to rationalize joining her.
No, just knock her out in the first chapter and she will appear later in the towers.
I don't get why people keep trolling that shitte how they wanna Minthara without commiting attrocities.
They are tied to her. That's how she acts. How she thinks. Take it away and it is not Minthara anymore. People just live in delusion they can "fix" everyone.
"Honestly, the fact I have to be bad to have the bad person in my party is such a lazy writing"
@@MatthewThoth haha is it :)
@@MatthewThothShe's less evil than Astarion and La'zel at the beginning and they are in your party lol
It should be noted she literally has a line where she stares that the grove was due to the parasite/absolute brainwashing.
Shes evil, in the same way that astarion and laezelle are evil, she's ruthless and power hungry and has a skewed view of right and wrong relative to normal people. Its hardly some compulsive need to do massacres, nor does she join you BECAUSE you did a massacre as much as because of your character/because you save her.
@@ktkr5273 is Lae really evil though? Isn't it more about being Gith? She is as her people shaped her to be. Militaristic and at first quite narrow minded in her ways. She changes significantly if given enough attention. Of course I may be wrong, but I wouldn't consider her truly evil.
A companion I will never get.
If only she wasn't bugged...
how is she bugged? can you explain please?
@@rafaljarmuszkiewicz514 Larian posted that a bug is causing her to omit about 1000 or 1500 lines of dialogue (cut content aside)
Should be fixed soon hopefully. I finished act 1 all except for the Grove and upon looking online I realized if I continue now I may miss something Minthara related. So I saved and switch over to my alt playthrough where ima save the grove.
@@t0uchme343 that sucks, I was planning to recruit her in my 2nd playthrough
@@rafaljarmuszkiewicz514 ye they also said they will fix it like a bit later and depending on player reception they might even add more content for her.
Only if you choose the evil route.
its karlach and actually its not even close.
Minthara polyamory arc would go crazy
The best girl is Bae’zel, it’s literally in her name. But you are entitled to your opinion. :p
NO.
I agree. Minthara is close, though.
Bae'zel for the win. Her romance arc is incredible.
anyone here know if theres a way to recruit her while simultaneously being able to still have Wyll and Karlach remain in your party?
Apparently only if you ignore the Druids/Tieflings grove quest and just let it play out by itself. This way Wyll and Karlach won't blame you as you didn't participate directly. It's a valid choice to not engaging with that storyline, as it's not mandatory for the overall story.
How in the fuck i passed act 2 without encountering Minthara
Our enemies are everywhere!
The game feels like they should've waited a bit more before releasing it... A bunch of stuff seems to be incomplete
Ah it’s Celestine.
wish you could her without wiping out the grove.
Damn, shouldn't have snapped her neck
I like her shrewdness, and her honesty, she says what's on her mind regardless of what might come of her speaking it, a woman after my own heart.
She is driven and ambitious, but also honest to a fault.
You can find a document in Kethoric's room that details the plan to lure a house matron to moonrise to capture and force an alliance between Moonrise and Mezobaranzan. It turns out that matron was Minthara. The story she tells about how she was converted is her side and how she ended up falling for Kethoric's ruse.
this scene i get only if i kill the druids and the other ones or ?
"This is why Minthara is the best Girl"
Sorry, that's a weird way of saying "Karlach"
Minthara is the BEST girl.
Best milf :)
why is it always a dragonborn
I feel sorry for her VA, all the others getting massive kudos. And minthara is forgotten because the game design around recruiting her is fucking stupid.
@3:00 yep
that's me wife
I can fix her
After hotfix #5, larian confirmed She never be recruit by a good guys, sadge. Now waiting for modders to find a loophole themselves for the good guys :
That mod has been out since ages ago. It's called minthara daughter of lolth good recruitment
@@walabixha1746 But you can't romance her. sadge. The author of that mod stated that her romance route is Broken(kinda).
You have a strange definition of “best”
Why ?
Do you know her story exactly? that you say so?
She has a bigger heart and is more empathetic and smarter than all your companions combined.
You realize that?
or are you just repeating what others say, judging her superficially, in fact, you are making yourself paranoid, not her.
I don't know why people think she's the best companion...after Act 2 she is basically mute and not nearly as involved in the story as any of the others.
She is best girl, too bad Larian doesn't love her enough cause she still broken
So is it possible to romance her other than in act 1?
there are some bits and pieces in Act 3 but that's it, probably due to the infamous bug everybody is talking about. There is a video here on youtube where a modder got one of her dialogues triggered through scripting and it appears there is something of a romance in Act 3, she even confesses her "love" to MC. So we should wait for it to be fixed, and then see
@@michaelmichaelson8861it was fixed 2 days ago.