Can Destiny 2 Survive After Final Shape? ft. Byf
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Destiny 2: Final Shape News, 6th element, witness raid, future content & Bungie updates
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In this episode we’ll be talking about all things with the final shape expansion and what destiny content will look like after the final shape. We break down the new seasonal model called episodes compared to destiny 1 expansions, bungies desires for the future of the franchise, future raids and raid reprises, removing old content into the vault or sunsetting, the difficulty of the witness in the final shape raid, the pale heart nostalgia, the 6th subclass element and 3rd darkness subclass, lack of new enemy types and factions, lack of bungie resources for modes like crucible, bungies community management, new leveling system, fireteam finder, keith david voicing zavala, raid difficulty, season of the witch and even more! #Destiny #Destiny2 #TheFinalShape
0:00 Destiny 2 after Final Shape
26:14 Sunsetting old content
38:45 Final Shape witness raid
45:30 The pale heart reskins
51:45 6th subclass & new enemies
01:03:25 Bungie backlash & toxicity
01:28:30 New leveling system overhaul
01:38:34 New Zavala voice actor
01:45:20 Raid difficulty
01:52:20 Season of the Witch
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Can you convince byf to do Spotify talks like you. Thank you. Appreciated.
i'd agree its one thing to increase the class level it's something else entirely to increase power level cap, why not fuse power levels w player level instead of separating the 2 ✌️.
Yeah I'm just done with seasons, now being an actual adult I'd just rather have a big drop I can play through, then drop the game for a few months
I get the deluxe version sometimes but it's been awhile....so yea just big drops rn. This has been by far one of the biggest impacts on my life because it's been here for almost 10 years...no o get parasocial l but we "kinda" grew up with these characters
Agreed, seasonal model is terrible. Its focus is towards an every day grind and micro transactions. Similar to fortnite but feels worse lol and more expensive lol. Bungie should just go back to non season or episodes. But they know they would make less money. So unfortunately this will be the Destiny business model moving forward, at least until Sony gets their ROI. Scam of hypefall was the eyeopener for me. (I started playing on season of plunder)
Exactly. The drip feed is what killed my friends and our small clan. People don't want to wait for weeks and weeks on end.
The reason I'm done with seasons is because it's low quality crap.
I mean hell a stupid free to play game ,Naraka, had a better cutscene for a 1 month event, than bungie has had for actual story content in 2 years. It's ridiculous.
An actual adult 😂😂😂
I love destiny but it still baffles me that the disc we all bought at launch isnt the game that we have at the present, really opens your eyes to media ownership and the push towards digital only consoles and media. I know pc is different but it still makes me worry about the future of this industry.
What's crazy is... it's not like they can't develop evergreen content. Look at how 343 did halo infinite.... or modern warfare.... or literally any other game. They have single player campaigns. But also online only content. And season passes. Destiny's issue is that they slowly tried turning it into a server dependant alwayss online game where you perpetually have access to social interactions... but with none of the content, or servers to support said drive to more social interactivity. Let alone wanting to be MMO style game without having even basic chat features for more than half the games life cycle.
Granted they haven't sunset the entire game... again ... yet. How long do we think that the sunken cost is worth it? Are my guns really worth the trade off of the game being stable, having more variety in content, more robust in social interactivity, and being able to support PvP?
People who play PvP can play a stale game for a while. As long as content isn't taken away. Look at Super Smash Bros. Melee. But if there isn't constant improvement on the story or PvE side people constantly complain. So yeah the seasons sell. But if the baseline of the game is not strong why are we continuing to contribute to it financially and time wise as a player and/or developer.
I was thinking just this recently when I opened up my Destiny 2 vanilla game guide book. 😅
game discs are less and less requirement in today's times sure game discs are still viable but not mandatory anymore.
I’m glad all the vanilla D2 shit is gone that stuff was ass. I hope it never comes back.
If Bungie wants to enable 2/3rds of the playerbase to ignore light level entirely then player light levels should just be removed. Have activities scaled with the player or above the player and just remove the pretty golden number altogether.
I think the problem is, they were given concise feedback for years, both on pvp and content failures/wants and the brushed it off to the point where those players were frustrated. I felt that from your lightfall review. Seemed more like you were frustrated that they failed so massively in their story telling when we knew from before they can do better.
Destiny players have been paying for development of marathon
Players pay for the next game of game studio
Thx Captain Obvious
Money sink is what marathon is.
Facts. They are better off just making destiny more playable for the average gamer. Small things like having the choice of getting rid of health bars of enemies in the dettinhs and stuff like that. I know many people who hate that about the game. @@donut3946
No way D2 is still going past the Acts post FS. D3 is definitely being built. No way d2 can keep going/ growing (in terms of file size) without another sunset of content.
world of warcraft manages it somehow. 20 years of expansions and still the game is less size than destiny
@Proverb. alot of that is due to the games style. WOW is less graphic intensive than D2. That one reason. Art style played alot into it.
@@starvinmarvin351 I have no idea what the reason is just sayin its possible, they also mentioned warframe doing a file compression. So really its up to bungie to figure it out, but it can be done without removing content, thats the point
@@starvinmarvin351idk if you can d2 graphic intensive . It leans more to borderlands than actual halo 2 anniversary
@@Kyubii01Warframe is far more graphic intensive.
I can only speak for myself when I say this, but: I genuinely prefer anthologies, episodic, and disjointed stories which all share a universe. I'm frequently exhausted and easily burnt out on a singular, linear story that takes a risk on whether or not I like the story's subject, or the decisions we as players get therein. Quite honestly, Destiny has a fantastic universe to explore, but I feel we almost exclusively what we get shown is overwhelmingly mid. An anthology style of storytelling could give Bungie the freedom to tell more varied and interesting stories that would otherwise never make them into the game for fear they would feel out of place.
I always love these discussions.
I hate that only this season did I start watching this channel. It's so good and the chemistry between you and Byf is natural and neat
I mean final shape my not be the ACTUAL last expansion in the same way endgame wasn’t the last marvel movie, but unless they can come up with something amazing really fast, destiny will probably lose player base very fast
I think the episodes being three drops each like three micro expansions is a good idea because I can’t just play the game every week. I got stuff going on!
15:33 Well this is the last expansion FOR ME. 10 years is plenty of time on the hamster wheel.
i like to think the years of bungie reskinning content was practice for the final shape lol
Best podcast on youtube. Big fan of you and byf, great to see you back.
Byf is so intriguing. Love his mindset.
The problem with the three darkness subclass is... how do you incorporate that into the story?
We didnt even have access to Stasis without the Witness literally handing it to us on a silver platter.
We didn't have Strand until we met the literal manifestation of darkness energy itself as the Veil.
Where do we get the "third darkness subclass" from? We are going to a place filled with bountiful light, it doesn't make sense to incorporate a new darkness power at the time being. If you want to make the argument that we could find yet another undiscovered source of power like Strand, sure that is a possibility, but how exactly do you fit mastery over the unknown into the story again? Do you want another shitty story revolving around failing to master a power all over again like Lightfall and Beyond Light, or would you rather have a concluding story and leave the third darkness power for another date when it actually has time to be cultivated?
I 100% agree with you.
I think it would make more sense for us to get a 3rd Darkness subclass during one of the 3 Episodes stories.
We could learn about it after the raid against the Witness.
Lets turn the witness into a subclass. We turned everyone else into guns. 😂
Light is given and Darkness takes. Killing the witness and taking its power would be classic sword logic.
The Vex using Siva would be A cool expansion
Lightfall gets some wrongly given hate. The narrative had some mishaps sure but we all knew it was coming. Gameplay and core system wise it added alot and gave alot of great moments. Season of the Deep was great and i agree with Datto here, content was good Salvage was meh but its your seasonal activity, Deep Dives were great and higher tiers gave it some difficulty, exotic mission was great, new areas and an amazing dungeon. Content was plentyful. The community just dont know how to take breaks they keep playing even when they are burnt out and blame it on the game. Yes the seasonal model has run its course over the last 5years and episodes are going to feel fresh but its clear people complaining about seasons never played D1. Byf says it perfectly in this video, its alot better now than it was back then. 200 levels across 18 weeks isnt alot, most casuals will hit 50 in the first few weeks, its week 5 of season of the witch and im at 160 alot of people in lfgs i do sherpas for are around 70 to 80 atm 5 weeks in. 7 missions is fine man most campaigns have around that look at Halo CE or Halo 3. Witch Queen had 8 and Lightfall 8 and Final Shape will be no different with the 8th unlocking after the raid to give us a big conclusion.
I've got a couple questions but I'll stick to one i know byf plans to cover Marathon. I'm curious about both of your plans post final shape??
You guys mentioned the 200 levels for the upcoming episode model. And as someone who plays a couple hours a day (i have a full time job) I easily get up to 160 seasonal rank or higher before the next season and that's with the seasonal model time frame we have now. If we have an extra month or so before a new episode I think active players will have no problem getting to rank 200 in my opinion.
Not sure why I'm subscribed but i enjoyed this.
I'm so into Destiny because of the reason that they keep going, it's not like call of duty or games that lasts a year or two and they start from 0 again with no carryover of items, guns, cosmetics. All they do is add a different name but it's the same game engine.
Oh boy can't wait for you both to talk about the ddos and crazy gun crafting stuff lol.
if anyone is familiar with call of duty zombies easter eggs, i really wish our raids were more structured like them like puzzles and hunts rather than just encounters. it might be a lil thing but a day one race "hunt" would be so much cooler to me. back in 2015 with call of duty black ops 3 the finale DLC map, revelations, came out. it took the entire community like a week just hunting for the next part or the next step and it was an amazing experience to be apart of and having this type of "hunt" rather than just an encounter that is so "hard" but in reality the enemies just one shot you and are complete tanks and people are stuck on a boss due to lack of damage. now these things are ok especially for things like day 1 raids but imagine a raid that is "hard" because the hunt is difficult, parts and things are hard to find, puzzles are hard to crack all while enemies are a lil hard. idk maybe im in the minority but more actual puzzle solving and less shooting at the red bars bc they have so much health.
I’m not sure if I’d continue buying the next DLCs after FS. The old raids should be coming back. From Levi-scourge should come back. They were good raids that just weren’t given the love they should have been given
I am sick and tired of bringing back. WE NEED TO MOVE ON.
@@celuiquipeut6527 Okay let's vault half of D2 again and move on and not bring anything back like Raids. That's what you're implying, no?
@@TechArchAngel No. Thats what you understood. Hou hurt much?
What i mean is, stop bringing back old stuff from D1. Write an original story and create new stuff.
All they do, mainly, is bring back old raids or old boss. Recycling.
And we sont need sun setting. Just keep moving foward. Write new stories.
This game is supposed to be an MMO looter shooter. A hame in which we live in a world, explore planet, loot gun, different classes, tank,healer, dps.
They took thar...and now what?
All the fucking class can do everything. Everything is homogenous, and notbing new is created. Meanwhile we have amazingly good story telling....
But we have to fucking read it in book. A virtual fucking book.
How about we see and play those things instead?
Nha, they send us into arena like zones, to fucking rince and repeat ad nauseam the same activities...to do what? Get the guns we had before so we can fight the boss we fought before.
Thats what i ment.
I'm hurt too.
My favorite podcast is back!
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I agree really interesting podcast 😊
Curious how youll follow this up considering the recent drama
Even if they DON’T give us another Darkness Subclass, they should at least add on to the Darkness subclasses we already have. Like we do for light subclasses. Instead of having just Silence and Squall, for hunter Stasis , add some other super to use. Like how in Solar subclass there is golden gun gun and blade barrage, have them do the same thing with stasis and strand
Byf fr looks like an ai drawing of Peter griffin
spin off stories are perfectly fine, IMO. Look at all of the great shows we've seen rise up, which are departures from the original. Mandalorian, Ahsoka, Wanda Vision, Loki, etc. You don't need to follow the original theme ad infinitum, in order to engage players. You can have contained stories that are rewarding and interesting in of themselves. I think episodes will be just fine.
The 3 Darkness subclasses in a row idea disappeared the second Luke Smith was ousted/promoted. It was clearly not something the team could keep up development wise, and they were leaving the light subclasses behind in the process. Smith wanted to move forward too often and too fast.
I think many just want new races just for freshness sake. I can't blame them. i know I would be interested both for story and combat related reasons. I both hate and love fighting the Scorn for the reasons you mentioned here. I think we get a new race eventually, but I don't think it happens until the next expansion after Final Shape whenever that happens.
D1 PvP was impenetrable for many. Early D2 PvP was disliked tremendously and the only reason people played in the Forsaken era was pinnacles and exotic quests that forced people to play PvP. Its never been in a truly good/healthy state in reality...at least for everyone. Its quality is ever changing depending on if you are casual, PvP focused, or somewhere in between like me. i suspect there has never been a strong consensus on quality, good or bad, among those groups at any time.
I really appreciate Byf's comment about backlash, Blackburn, etc. There are many times I can see communities' argument against developers, but I also think much of he time they are way too aggressive about it. Legit criticism gets lost when things get to vitriolic.
Edit: As a non raid player the evil part of me totally wants to see Final Shape take 24+ hours to complete. it only feels right given it being the end of the Witness.
Luke was already gone when strand was in development, so no.
@@Yumais I'm not entirely sure what you mean.
THE FIRST ECHO RED SUBCLASS! It’s the only one slightly hidden and fuzzy to see what the background is!!! Also the other colors of the preview for the other echos is literally RED BLUE GREEN.
Wdym?
@@captainrelykprobably referring to the colors of darkness subclasses: stasis=blue, strand=green, ???=red
Wait what? The wreckage of the Morning star visible on the Europa map?
What shape will it be in after this DDOS
Well you're right about one thing. Destiny isn't going to end after the final shape. But that does not mean that Bungie isn't going to pull a bungie and pawn it off on some other smaller Studio that is also owned by Sony so that they can focus all of their attention on marathon.
They spent 4 years with no sellers, and they can do it again.
It should not surprise anyone that now that the game is heading into a “wind down” phase they are just now actually putting some actual talent on the problem. I’m sure they look at PVP to carry the game past ending.
Can we get bigger vaults? Or is it to costly? All these new guns and I cant keep everything
I don’t see destiny making it past final shape unless they make a new game. Create a new villain born from the witnesses death or make a prequel that has us along side the iron lords or even back when factions were being created and had purpose.
I know one thing i havent seen anyone talk about is when (and this is an if) will bungie drop last gen consoles and focus on current gen?
I don't know if I'll come back after final shape. It's the end of the saga I started. I don't know if I have another saga in me. If anything brings me back it will be the nine...
I loved destiny 2 when it came out but im mostly a solo player so there were a lot of content i couldn't play or beat ... alone or no one was match making in that content i was trying to play or beat. Sad i love the game.
bro its not hard to go and find players unless you just enjoy playing solo and dont like playing with other thr are a bunch of discords websites and even an app where u can matchmake all endgame content like raids dungeons grand masters exotic missions anything you cant and can matchmake for already. If not bro down to play i grind dungeons ans raids mostly
@@GKelpyThe widely shared experience between people like him and I, are pretty dismal. It took ages to find groups to learn raids. Almost impossible for some things. Good luck getting malfeasance now lol. Trying to find an entire 6 man group, that is actually cohesive, is tantamount to winning the lottery. Accessing content, shouldn't be more RNG than the rewards for doing said content.
Byf I don't think you were disrespectful at all during your critique video. We don't need to always sugar coat our negative feedback. As long as you are not being insulting or threatening in any manner you don't owe anyone spared feels when presenting negative feedback
Summary: Creators Wishful Thinking. There are plenty other games on the market and what attracts or pushes away players at least IMO is quality of the game. There are fun bugs like 12-man raid and then there things like current state of the game, where stuff gets disabled all the time, errors cancel streamer plans and other people who game also have to change their plans. Same happened for Anthem. Great idea, but bugs and quality choked the life out of it.
Bugs are in all games, and 90% of those games aren't live service where a fix must be done while the game is online to reduce downtime required. The money required to upkeep this (not even including costs for damage done by DDos attacks or court visits to deal with cheating companies) would be staggering and is doubtful the game sales alone don't even cover half that. People forget MONEY IS REQUIRED TO KEEP A GAME AND COMPANY GOING.
@@keithpierce5686 I am a developer myself (not a game dev though, at least not yet), I understand money argument. What I don't understand how 12 man raid bug is fine to have in-game for weeks, but when weapon is doing more damage than intended, then argument for disabling kicks in. I am not mad about bugs, I am disappointed at how things are handled. Also Sony owns Destiny now and they have more than plenty 💵 to make decent testing before rolling things out.
I live for these podcasts there the only reason I still play the game . I only wish we got them more often. But considering the drip feed of content. I understand that would be hard. Anyway keep up the good work. Brilliant takes
The bi-monthly boys podcast!
I think D3 should start when start Shadowkeep or when 11 season ended.
Imagine a reaction video to this… would be 5 hours🤣
The biggest problem with gambit is immune phases on boses it makes it pointless
Lbh if you play often you hit lvl 100 like 5-7 weeks in minimum
I don’t think it will be drops every 6 weeks. I think acts will drop more like every 2 or 3 week to keep engagement high during the episode period, and then there will be whatever ‘events’ they choose to keep dropping within the off-season.
they already said 6 weeks i beilive which is still pretty short comapred to like the 2 1/2 3 months we wait now
It's every 6 weeks but the real question is what do we actually get because it could be 6 weeks between story beats that are all a part of that episode which is even worse than the weekly story we have rn for 6-8 weeks. Now it just sounds like they are making us wait longer for the same stuff but it'll 'feel' like more it's all a physiological game for bungie and it has been for a while, they literally came out and told their community that they indoctrinated us to expect fast content but not amazing content...bungie does not care to over deliver, we will 100% get the same amount if not less and pay more, sad thing is a large amount of people will buy into bungies nonsense still
Wait so are we gonna still get annual expansions or are they done with those?
We probably are
I lfg raids almost exclusively, the most common feel is that once d2 is done being supported a lot of people are finished with the franchise
The only problem I see with a new faction is at this point we would have to have a completely new race of aliens. Scorn are cool, but they are intrinsically Zombie Fallen. Taken are modified versions of other races (and after the fall of the Witness, should heavily diminish in relevance IMO). I don’t think we will appreciate another “new enemy” that is based upon another.
We would need another race either coming to Sol for some reason (the end of the saga being a sort of beacon similar to the end of the Red War) or us hitching a ride on a Cabal/Eliksni ship and jumping to another system, finding another hostile race or group of races.
Given the lore we have about the Witness and the Hive and the Cabal, I have to question how many new races are left in the Universe? The Hive have been wiping out entire civilizations for billions of years, the Witness has been doing that even longer and the Cabal have destroyed entire worlds for refusing to join them for who knows how long.
Until proven otherwise, I'd assume the races of aliens we all know are all that's left in the universe.
this is hard to pull off, as multiple little lore tidbits state that all life in the Universe except for the races we have met, have been culled, hence "there is no where left to go" for the traveler.
@@keithfilibeck2390 Really? I may be right then… the end of the saga may result in new races being birthed and new enemies to fight.
@@keithfilibeck2390please take that line with a grain of salt, the witness said that to their underling eramis and is known for be lying to others. Hence why every disciple has a different understanding of what the final shape actually is and the creation of the hive
@@unknownavenger3397 The Witness doesn't have a reason to lie, its spent billions of years chasing the Traveler.
We're in the endgame now 😅
4:49 I'm on the fence with D2. The fact is every last single "expansion" is a new hord mode to get the thing, the shove the thing in the thing and wait for the rest of the week to do the same thing
I honestly think that they didnt advertise the 3rd dark subclass with final shape because they want to sell it with the "chapters" that will continue afterwards in order to keep players interest (and money) beyond the expansion.
The darkness subclasses are definitely hidden in the Final Shape. Wouldn't make sense to end the Darkness Saga and add the Darkness subclass after. That would mean the saga won't end with the Final Shape. They want to end things with a BANG and without the Darkness subclasses they would only leave room for things to fail even if the story is good and the conclusion is well played, none of it would feel fulfilling. Bungie isn't playing around this time, they literally put a super in a weapon lol, they got heat on the way and us discovering the final subclass will be more epic than it being used to market an expansion that's the end of the saga. This isn't for super new players and we vets are already invested into this saga that they don't need to sell us anything but ornaments lol.
Ngl after seeing those previews for the new light supers, it's cemented my theory were getting the darkness subclass either after the raid gets beaten or in echoes
Highly doubt
haha, they aren't going to over deliver just because everyone is pissed, if you think there's going to be a surprise subclass you are way too optimistic.
@keithfilibeck2390 where did I say they would add it bc we are mad? I'm saying the supers look rushed, as if they needed something for advertising. We know a third subclass is coming the question is when, and tbh I have a good feeling on my theory. Only time will tell if I'm right or wrong
Destiny 3 is already in development, change my mind.
Yeah a Destiny 3 is just FREE money. They would be idiots not to make it at some point.
I feel like the Pale Heart will be an experiment in returning some of the sunset content, a test of whether or not they can reduce the size of the install file and still keep 'parts' of the sunset content.
The Warmind DLC type model is not just a “in the wild” idea. And just because Warmind didn’t work doesn’t mean it’s a bad idea. Warmind just wasn’t good. The seasonal model for narrative is watered down. They have to make stories fit into this “activity” BS. And now the seasonal activities are more complex. Complexity doesn’t mean good. I can’t stand the season pass thing in modern games. I don’t have time to play every game I want to play within 2 or 3 months to max a pass out. But it doesn’t matter because people still pay the $10 for the pass. It doesn’t matter if you keep playing. Plus the store have all the best stuff. So when you do finally get time to play you see the cool stuff in the store and then drop $20 to by some cool stuff. Then you play and realize you’re not making much progress on the pass because you don’t know the strat to use to work through the activities and then pinnacles so you just get bored and stop playing again cuz the 1 or 2 hours you can play in a week just isn’t enough to move the need on the pass. So yeah, I like the DLC model where I can play when I want and not have to divide my time between activities that don’t fit together to help you advance.
BYF : When they say 'right? ' they are implying to the listener that what they are saying is not only obviously correct but that the listener already understands and is already in agreement with them
Gimme a one off dlc where a random alien enemy enters our system and has absolutely no idea what they light is or who guardians are. They try to take over earth and take the light once they find out. Make them competent but overall guardians are just annoyed by them because saving the earth and light is just another tuesday
When i say i want to go back to the CoO and warmind days, its not because the content was good. It was just a better content release flow that respected player time. I preferred when destiny was really hot for a month or two and then cooled off for a few months to let me go play other games. With the constant content flow it feels like a full time job.
I still think the next Destiny will be called "Destiny Universe".
What do y’all think the raid exotic is going to be??
they leaked it it’s a linear fusion rifle named BOFA DZ the exotic perk crazy
@@joedubWtf💀
@@joedubWhahaha very funny. There are no such leaks
An exotic glaive is my guess.
Letttts gooo was waiting for this one 👀🍿
I love Destiny but it frustrates me how during the lean low player base periods, they didn’t add simple things to the game. They have so many great ornaments hidden within eververse, so many cool emblems no longer obtainable etc. these could have been put into lost sectors, public events etc. I stopped playing for a while because it felt so repetitive and boring, now I’m back and loving it but I feel like they could ease up on eververse now the games near its end. Stick all the cool ornaments into the loot pools. I doubt many people are buying them this late in the lifecycle
Best D2 podcast hands down. Could listen to you guys talk about anything!!
Well I could go to the farm back in the day I can't now, re-buying old content
just say the reason there isnt as many devs working on destiny 2 it its because of Marathon
D2 is around 110GB on Xbox
Lots of people I know including myself aren't even buying Final Shape
The problem that i have with Destiny is that after I've completed the Battlepass and the new DLC there isnt anything that i wanna do.
Exactly, aside from raids the actual core activities of the game are painfully stale and have little to no replayability value.
Destiny needs an “endless” mode or a huge facelift to the core activities to stay relevant for much longer.
@@Fire4ward 100%
When they took the grind away I lost the drive to play the game. Maybe for the best.
Will Destiny 2 Survive After Final Shape? ft. Byf
Too late, that ship has left
Im expecting more like the seasonal model to basically transfer to these episodes but just in much less frequency. I honestly think this lasts maybe the 1st year then it goes away and the game dies.
I wish we could play in the dark age
My question is: if the Witness has been there for so long, what's keeping it from enacting the Final Shape? I guess we'll have to wait for those answers.
During the collapse Savathun hid the Veil on Neptune. The Witness couldn’t find the Veil and needed it to enact the Final Shape. With the Traveler asleep, seemingly dead, it couldn’t access its memories as a means of locating the Veil. This whole time the Witness has been on a fruitless search for it and even tried unsuccessful attempts at creating its own.
Or do you mean what’s keeping the Witness from just enacting the Final Shape in the Traveler? If that’s the question there are various sources and story beats over the course of this 10 year saga that describe the process of making the final shape involving the “drinking” of the light. Presumably this is what the Witness is doing.
@@Shapes_Quality_Control The latter. I suppose the only instance I know of that directly references the witness' drinking the light was on the prophecy wall in VotD. Aside from Hive "consuming" the light in the books of sorrow.
The Witness will have been drinking for about a year by the time TFS rolls around... unless it's a very "involved" process, they need to have a better explanation than that lol
I hate that I'm even considering buying this expansion. I'm tempted to wait and just watch cutscenes on youtube.
not bought lightfall yet, now it’s £17 could be time to grab it
I'm invested in the story so final shape will be my final purchase not buying the pass or seasons or whatever they are calling it
Like we have the time of the world...
Yes a new enemy faction is needed but hear me out . A new class !
As someone who's been playing ever since alpha, no it wont survive.
Bungie will kill it off in favor of Marathon.
Marathon-pvp game
D2 pve game with pvp in it. Different concepts. I doubt they'll kill of a big portion of player's + money.
Niobe Labs the raid lol
Did Byf gain weight? or am I goin crazy?
Not unless they make massive changes to content drops. The drip fed seasons are bullshit.
Short answer: NO
200 levels in 18 weeks is about 12 levels a week, thats not much for most folks
*not much for most folks... who are unemployed and have no life outside of Destiny
Sorry but Keith David's most notable voice acting is Goliath from Gargoyles.
CCQ: will you take a break from destiny/CC post final shape like datto is? If so would you come back to just destiny stuff or do other things as well?
Depends how good it is? Probably gonna suck ever since they sold out with Sony
As for me I skip past the story ,it's the gameplay that matters and as long as they keep it fun and an interesting I think the game will do just fine
Hay you know more then me . That said I don't at all think Bungie is going to continue to keep masking destiny. With all the lay offs and the leaks about how Bungie burns through money. I think they are gonna do a very Bungie thing. And drop the 3 episodes and maybe 3 more. But I bet you anything this is the last Dlc we get. Or big DLC , if you can even call the final shape big
The community would praise Bungie if they indeed delivered the last darkness subclass as a secret. I can already see all the hype videos when people discover this new power. It would go to show that Bungie can still surprise us.
I think the community and Bungie should engage in a mature and thoughtful manner about reskinned content. There is WAY too much reskinned content, seriously about 95% of all new guns that come to the game are either sunsetted guns coming back with new perks or they're just the same old gun models that have been used on about 8-10 other guns already. I get that it's easy to reskin a room from a strike and use that as the weekly story mission in the seasonal content but that happens way too much too. So much of the game no longer feels inventive or even like we're breaking new ground at all, it all just feels like rinse and repeat content over and over again. Bungie said this season was going to be different and I don't see it, the cards are just the grid from every other season except they don't look like a grid (but it serves the same exact function as the grid); the buffs that come with major cards are just the buffs that come with progressing in any other season. The most unique thing we've gotten was fishing and that was not a slam dunk at all, probably more akin to an airball. I truthfully and genuinely don't think all these price hikes from Bungie are justified in the slightest with all the reskinned content we've been getting in all facets of the game, but they got their FOMO hooks into the community deep enough that it's just become an ATM for Bungie at this point i.e. make reskinned thing watch the money rain from the heavens. I don't know if it's Sony forcing them to make compromises or if it's just their own greed or laziness, maybe a lack of passion being this long into the game but something really has got to change if they want me to stick around after The Final Shape. I've been less and less interested and less and less invested; I feel like I'm about 50% out of the door already when I should be hyped to the moon since The Final Shape is right around the corner.
This was happening b4 sony acquired them so can't blame sony
Most people wanted these guns I personally most hyped for them the exotics and destination has been explained on why so I don’t care that it’s reskinned
Regarding Voice Acting:
Might be a bit tone deaf but #NotmyAna
Everyone been gone from Destiny's for year's .
The seasonal model is bad because its all just low quality hamsterwheel content. I would rather higher quality content with a longer wait time system than this low quality seasonal model.
I had much more fun in the warmind expansion, than i have had in any of these low quality seasons that we've had in the past 3 years
If we went back to post-forsaken i would be okay with that.
This is just a speculative theory but i think after the final shape and we get the 3rd darkness subclass they could start combining light and dark to create 3+ new abilities from light/dark combinations