Well... that's embarrassing! We put in one of those classic goofs to make sure people were paying attention and if you find it... we're very sorry about that *facepalm*. ~Darryl/Lauren
A cool little reference I've noticed in the remake is that cloud says "you're out of luck" before he does cross slash. A reference to how cross slash is the kanji for misfortune/bad luck
@@ShimizuLynn03 It does, but Chinese characters usually have multiple meaning, though different, the meanings usually revolve around a similar idea, 凶 means fierce, horrible, bad things, bad luck etc. It could also meant death, or haunted depending on the usage.
Haven't even watched but making a comment to let you know how excited I am! Edit: Yo that whole Kalm thing blew my absolute mind. I played FF7 original recently and I noted how everyone in Kalm sounded weird despite being nothing to do with Midgar...especially since the surrounding land is drained and disgusting. It makes sense now...20 years later and it's been revealed lol
I always assumed the people were like that due to the fact that they either didn't know or care about Mako's problems as a power source. That plot twist is interesting though.
@@赤ゲキ I heard that Lucrecia is also an ancient, so they probably distant relatives. They have a similar bangs, perhaps that hairstyle is popular among ancients
I borrowed this game from a friend when I was younger, and we were both obsessed with finding Vincent because he was in the game booklet. I don’t think either of us even realized Yuffie was optional as we both found her completely by accident and felt like it was part of the story when it happened. We were 12 years old when we first played it, and I’ve gotten a couple replays in over the years
I'm glad they didn't go through with that ending idea, it sounded needlessly brutal and mean-spirited. The more ambiguous ending with Red XIII they went with fulfilled the same purpose, capping off the game's focus on life and death by pulling back to when all human life on the planet may or may not be gone.
@@sdbzfan1 The hate for Nomura has always been irrational, because I guess the community needs a scapegoat for when they don't like something. I remember the days when people said he ruined the franchise with FF X and XIII, the games where all he did was character design.
i really hate when those people always come knocking on my front door in their robes, only to ramble on about "reunions" and then fall to the ground and die on my front lawn.
A friend and I confronted some JW's on the street while he was wearing his Jenova's Witness shirt. We looked through the pamphlet, and he's screaming: "Nothing about Sephiroth, the One Winged Angel sent by mother to bring about the calamity? What is this BLASPHEMY?!" We barely made it around the corner before we collapsed laughing
With the channels like did you know gaming, FF Union, and other FF fan channels it's hard to come across new information we don't already know now about these games but this was a really great list! Especially for finding out about the mechanics hidden in the game.
Doesnt matter how low that Anxious Heart background music is, I get lost in it every time I hear it and then it’s hard to pay attention to the video commentary lol Edit: I never knew that bit about Kalm! FFVII is just the gift that keeps on giving.
Another fun fact about Kazushige Nojima. He previously worked on the Glory of Herakles serie, specifically the 3rd game, where crossdressing plays a rather important role. It's one of the major way our Hero solves most of the game's obstacles (the other being jumping from really high place. It's a pretty crazy game). (GoH III and IV are pretty good games, actually)
This was honestly one of the best "obscure" facts videos so far. I am far from an aficionado in terms of the history of this and other FF games, but I consider myself well-read at the very least. I can honestly say I probably only knew tiny tidbits about what was in this video, and the rest of it was a surprise! Good work on digging all of this up!
I hope that the remake will have more story development for Yuffie and Vincent as it would be interesting to see what the original ideas were for these 2 before getting cut down.
@@kirara2516 All these are no longer canon or at least does not have to be or should be in the Remake timeline. Both sequels and prequels no longer make sense.
You know I clicked on this super fast since 7 is my favorite, haha These were all REALLY neat bits of information. I knew the Turtle Paradise posters had been repurposed but not what their original purpose was, so that was cool! And I love all the little references and such, that kind of "easter egg" is so satisfying to find! Thank you once again for so much hard work and great content!
I didn't know any of these facts, and with FF7 not only being my first and absolute favorite in the series by far, that says a lot. I'm very impressed to still learn more from this masterpiece after so many years. Only makes my love, attachment and appreciation of this game grow even stronger. Thank you mightily for taking the time to put this together ✊🏿🙏🏿
The OG was way more brutal. People actually died and the sector 7 catastrophe was way worse than in the remake where they are basically rebuilding it the day after, even finding a broken wooden sign that should be beneath an ocean of concrete, metal and dead bodies. The remake is very much light-hearted and chickens out on many things, most notably the trail of blood in the Shinra building. They say it was to get a lower CERO rating but it also undercut the theme and tension of the OG. While I understand the decision I would have been perfectly fine with seeing the fleeing people in sector 7 get crushed and seeing dead scientists in the Shinra building and wanted more destruction than in the original (more claw marks on the walls etc). As it is going now the Midgard Zolom is not going to be impaled (or at least no blood) and no people are going to die in Gold saucer and Aerith is not gonna...
Yeah, Vincent in particular ended up being a breakout character. So much so he got his own spin-off game (for better or for worse lol). Would have really been a shame if they had passed up on him. I do think his hidden ties to everything going on in the story, certainly make him one of the most interesting characters. He perhaps has the most reason to be invested in the overall plot than any character other than Cloud.
You guys went pretty deep in this one compared to the last. The Yuffie and Ads for employees were pretty obscure indeed. Congratulations on the sponsor, too!
all of these fun easter eggs really pique more of my curiosity about how they plan to approach the next parts of the remake. i could totally see them having yuffie enter as she was originally planned to be.
Nintendo: "Our hardware can't handle that." Square: "Sony looks like our only option." Nintendo: "WHAT AN INSULT, YOU'LL RUE THE DAY! RELEASE THE ATTACK GOOMBAS."
Damn they new it was gonna be one of the greatest games before it even came out. That’s some balls right there to just constantly tell people your game is a masterpiece.
I remember those ads in I believe Gamepro, Electronic Gaming Monthly (EGM) and Gameplayers (Which laughingly became UltraGamePlayers before being abandoned) good times.
True fact Barrett's hand is in fact a machine gun that shoots real bullets! Lol how bout Red 13 is in fact a moomba or rather Moomba race in FF8 is based on Nanaki.
@mark burke No it means Moomba's are reminiscent to Red13 whether based off of Red13 or Red13 being a moomba himself it all coincides its not farfetched either Ronso race from FFX are playable classes and inhabinants of the univers of FF14 the mmo Shadow bringer dlc was there debut and the classes is Final Fantasy tactics advanced were in many ways in Final Fantasy 12 , FF8 is just notorious for being a forgotten title never got FF7 treatment or the FF4 treatment with remasteers and sequels in the sense of devolopment for FF9 was in the works before FF8 and FF8's original database was lost in translation due to recklessness thats why FF8 took so long to get a Remaster so its obvious Square let the moomba race fall into the shadows as they have not been a playable class in any future installment.
I wish SE gave FF9 as much attention and love as they do FF7. FF9 is the final fantasy I replayed the most, FF4 a close second. The most time I've played was FF11❤ though
1,2,5,6,8 and 9 should get as much love as 3, 4 and 7 did. the ff8 remaster is a joke, a PSP spin off got more love then most of the mainline games did.
3 & 4 got remakes on the DS. I was really hopeing they would give one to 6, Hands down my favorite. Edit: So 4 got a psp port/remake, it even has the after years.
@@toastbread7192 I think this was a case of them needing remakes the most at the time. Well, certainly in 3s case anyway. Too many of the original gameplay systems in it were too antiquated and cumbersome. Though classic 4 aged a bit better than classic 3.
@@KotCR Fair enough, SNES 4 isnt the best and (If Im right) DS 3 is the first time it got localized. I havent played og 3 but I have heard it not really holding up. (tbh, 3 is not my favorite, I have a hard time getting though it on DS) And SNES 6 still holds up really well, it was more just my personal favorite so personally I really wanted to see in 3d on the DS.
Cloud, Yuffie and Red tend to be my core team. If I could have Aerith, I'd go with Cloud, Yuffie and Aerith. While not "optimal" or whatever, I use characters I like instead of ones that are powerful.
Cloud Tifa and Barret since they are more important in the story. Its a RPG, and story matters alot more than beating the game only with characters that have broken limit breaks.
Great job with the video! I've tried my best to find you guys when you're streaming live on twitch, but i'm always on too late. Your vidoes are always very thourough, and i really appreciate all your hard work that shines new light on my favorite games and characters.
Yuffie as an ex-soldier turned bounty hunter, and having the tenacity to actually go after Cloud and Sephiroth as her targets? That would've been WORLDS better than what we got. Always thought it was weird to have Yuffie as a date option anyway during Gold Saucer considering the girl's SIXTEEN, messing with a TWENTY-ONE year old man.
The game is Japanese. In Japan 13 is age of consent Edit: thought it was 15 that they become adults, but apparently it's 20 now (thanks google!) 13 is... well they're odd about some things.
Killing those that you chose not to take would have been brutal but also an incredible move to increase our attachment to the characters! Wow!! I am a huge fan of that idea!
My favorite is the Yuffie one. Imagine how many storylines they could have created with the bounty-hunter concept. While Yuffie is probably the funniest character, her storyline is the worst where she basically gets 10 lines and abandons you before you're back together
Barret, Yuffie and Cid is my dream party. Cloud/Barret= main damage dealer, hp/mp absorb summoner. Yuffie=Item stealer, source harvester, support magic user Cid=defender, item user, final attack Phoenix operator
Awesome vid i admire your hardwork, I am currently playing the original FF7 game and it was perfect timing you release this video. After 23 years this is STILL my favorite game :)
Wow, a list of things that, outside of the damage types, I actually did not know! Usually see these videos on youtube and it's "heeeey, did you know Master Chief refers to a military rank?"
As absolutely METAL as it would have been to have everyone in the cast just DIE except your final 3, I do think it would have upset more people than impress, since it doesn't seem telegraphed and out of your control. Through no fault of your own, your characters die, no battle for their life, no qte, no dialogue options to change who lives or dies. Just arbitrarily "fuck you"
This was awesome! Thanks for all the great facts! I'm always fascinated by damage types, and I'm a big fan of FFVI so I completely missed the mt.kolts reference. Do you know if it still exists in FF7R?
Honestly, there is still alot of hints and alludes to this in the dialogue. I remember when we played the original back in the day, both me and my brother thought that that was were the story was going, or at least that Sephiroth too was an ancient. Obviously, what they actually went with in the end is alot more complicated hehe.
It's true that they were meant to be related. They were specifically designed to have the same bangs and same eye color as the physical tells that they were siblings. But did you know that when that idea was scrapped, then they had the thought to make Sephiroth Aerith's ex-boyfriend? However in the end after playing around with that idea they decided that Sephiroth and Aerith would only be enemies and then Zack was added to the roster-both him and Tifa being the final characters added to the game. :)
It sounds nice but I actually prefer them not to be related. It makes sephiroth killing aerith have a different feel. Brother killing powerfull special sister would have been just another cliche.imo
Final Fantasy Union: Common facts are "FFVII was originally developed as a ps2 game", "Nobuo Uematsu used the Puzzle Method to write OWA", "Aerith and Sephiroth were supposed to be siblings." Me: "Wtf. How's ffvii developed for the ps2? It came out early in the ps1 lifespan. Did they want to save the game until after ix?" Also me: "I'm a composer and I never heard of "the puzzle piece method". I could only trace this terminology back to an interview with Nobuo Uematsu, where he described writing short segments of the song before piecing them together like a puzzle. Not as an official music composing method." Also also me: "I must've completely misunderstood this, but I thought Sephiroth said he was a Cetra. Since Ifalna is the last Cetra, she must be his biological mother and Lucrecia is just his carrier mother. That would mean Aerith and Sephiroth share the same mother and are half siblings. I guess I was wrong all those years."
Aerith and Sephiroth aren't siblings. Sephiroths parents are Professor Hojo, and Lucrecia. Aeriths parents are Professor Ghast, and Ilfana. Sephiroth thought he was a Cetra because Shinra did research on Jenova and thought she was a Cetra. Shinra was wrong about Jenova being a Cetra though. The truth is that Jenova was an alien, the great calamity that fell from the sky that created the Northern Crater.
@@randalthor2859 There are so many people that get this wrong, especially since the release of FF VII remake. Many people think that when Sephiroth says he is a Cetra he was correct despite the game was most likely showing this to make us see the mad part about him. I do not know how many people that never realized that Sephiroth was drawing the wrong conclusion (about Jenova and basically himself) in the base game but I thought it was kinda obvious even back then.
Interesting points about Yuffie..... I hate Yuffie and am now unable have a happy day cause I'm remembering the days I was stuck in Wutai (playing as Cid) cause Yuffie had stolen my materia and I couldn't move on. It was literal days before I finally saw that gong move and I could continue the story. FUCK YOU YUFFIE, I''LL NEVER FORGIVE YOU FOR THE HELL YOU PUT ME THROUGH NEARLY 20 YEARS AGO!
Ah. So this Turtle's Paradise, I assume, is what Remake calls "The Happy Turtle." Collecting posters was basically what the associated sidequest had you do in Intergrade as well.
Yeah, I didn't know any of them, including the one about Aerith and Sephiroth! I think the original plan Yuffie sounds a lot better than the one that actually went ahead.
I read somewhere that ff7 was going to be a Nintendo 64 game but the cartridge couldn't handle the capacity of memory it would require. Also parasite eve and Chrono cross were actually scraped ideas from ff7.
Final fantasy 7 1/2 life are my two favorite games of all time it’s funny that don’t go on and on and on many games come out but these two still reigns supreme
I like how people made this games back in 90ere all that works in the game, people still find things in the games, their creative thinking about the game it was so beautiful
As someone with a username referencing one of the most obscure things in FFVII, I appreciated this video a lot. In terms of trivia FFVII is loaded to the brim with them. And it's not possibly the greatest game of all time, it is the greatest game of all time... At least in my opinion :p
@@vincentgraymore Eau contraire, I LOVE the remake. Not 100% sure on how the final chapter plays out mind, but everything else I loved. Though obtaining the Gotterhammerdung was the biggest pain in the ass there is!!!
@@JL-nb1yc The reference for my name is... to the vehicle the group uses to escape Midgar in the original game XD It is a very obscure fact, if you watch the video of the vehicles in the Shinra showroom it displays the name, which is taken from the prototype suspension found in said vehicle! It's almost as obscure as the trivia "YA-79"
@@sswishbone >_< then to each their own. Much to love in FF VII Remake but also much to hate. In the end, this will be the biggest "I told you so" for whatever camp is right.
The ending fact is actually quite interesting. For example they could kill the two characters who were not pocked in any of the two teams made for the second face. Especially now with the remake.
"Biggs!! Wedge!!! Jessie!! Damnit...DAMN IT ALL TO HELL!!!" not gonna lie, changing history in the remake left me in tears... Bear-Bear really deserved that win this time around...
It was nice to see a video do what it actually claimed. I would venture a guess that it would be a small portion of the fan base that knew all of this. As someone that is hardcore about the FF7 franchise (it is my favorite game of all time), I am truly glad that information like this is being put out there. Usually when I run across these videos it is some lame video about stuff people have known about for years.
Did anyone notice that Bugenhagen says "Eventually... All humans die." This is almost a direct quote that Aerith in the remake uses when looking at the Lifestream energy from everyone who died in the plate fall. She says "Everyone dies eventually."
For once, these were things I actually didn't know. Good on you for doing the research and not just reusing the same high-level info everyone else uses for clicks.
I flipped my shit to learn Yuffie was originally gonna be ex soldier.. Holy fuck... Wow... I need the reality stone so I can go and experience the game where this happens (among other things). Everything else is pretty cool too.. The idea of Sephiroth and Aerith being brother and sister is interesting.. Yeah, I really need the reality stone. Oh since I brought up the stones... Tifa has her own infinity gauntlet. I am not the first to do or say this and I shall not be the last but I had to make my obligatory fangirl comment.
Interesting comment about the huge amount of elemental magic. They cut a lot out in the remake - Leviathan is now a non elemental summon! I don't know why they put in two Chocobo summons and yet not Ramuh!
So Yuffie was originally designed to be a much more in-depth Amarant (FF9) bounty hunter chasing after the main characters. Not gonna lie, I wish there was another former SOLDIER character in the game that fit that position, as that's kinda cool. Kalm was ALSO a Nibelheim...from 5 years earlier. The ATB has a global timer, but also a speed modifier for each character based on their speed stat but ALSO two other timers, and different status effects actually use different timers to determine their total length. Compared to most FF games having 5-10 elements, FF7 had 16, and of those, only 9 (a little more than half) were clearly displayed to the player. There were advertisements at the time, some of which were were a little nuts. There were a few references to FF6. There was some thought on killing off all but three characters (the player would pick 3 when parachuting into Midgaar, and the ones not picked would be killed off before the end of the game), but this was vetoed. ....and there were a lot of other little micro-facts thrown in. Regardless, some of these I knew, but some i did not. Cool stuff. :D
Well... that's embarrassing! We put in one of those classic goofs to make sure people were paying attention and if you find it... we're very sorry about that *facepalm*. ~Darryl/Lauren
I'm glad you brought this up, it itched my brain lol. Ps2 game indeed.
i was like "...that's not right at all"
Don't do that sort of thing... My heart and brain can't take it
Thundara? im guessing its that.
Cigar
A cool little reference I've noticed in the remake is that cloud says "you're out of luck" before he does cross slash. A reference to how cross slash is the kanji for misfortune/bad luck
I thought the kanji meant fierce
Memento Mori I thought it was cut.
Interesting
I didn't know that. 🤔
@@ShimizuLynn03 It does, but Chinese characters usually have multiple meaning, though different, the meanings usually revolve around a similar idea, 凶 means fierce, horrible, bad things, bad luck etc. It could also meant death, or haunted depending on the usage.
It's still hard for me to believe that Vincent is an optional character considering how important his backstory is to the creation of Sephiroth.
important optional is still optional....he prob won't be optional when he finally arrives in the remake tho
@@aesuradracaheorte3585 no way. He and Yuffie will have much bigger roles.
@@kevinstreetgaming Hi cid
Good point.
Yuffie gave additional information about Shinra, and Vincent gave additional information about Sephiroth.
Haven't even watched but making a comment to let you know how excited I am!
Edit: Yo that whole Kalm thing blew my absolute mind. I played FF7 original recently and I noted how everyone in Kalm sounded weird despite being nothing to do with Midgar...especially since the surrounding land is drained and disgusting.
It makes sense now...20 years later and it's been revealed lol
I always assumed the people were like that due to the fact that they either didn't know or care about Mako's problems as a power source. That plot twist is interesting though.
Damnit, Sephiroth as Aerith's brother sounds interesting.
Sephiroth’s mother is Lucrecia and father is Hojo.
Aerith’s father is Professor Gast and mother is Ifalna.
So I say: Jossed.
@@赤ゲキ I heard that Lucrecia is also an ancient, so they probably distant relatives. They have a similar bangs, perhaps that hairstyle is popular among ancients
@@tomjordan4123 all the ancients go to the same barber.
When I first played this game I thought that’s where it was going seeing as they were the only two ancients left.
I litteraly tought they were brothers after finish ff vii, I was wrong but at least they were meant to be
I borrowed this game from a friend when I was younger, and we were both obsessed with finding Vincent because he was in the game booklet. I don’t think either of us even realized Yuffie was optional as we both found her completely by accident and felt like it was part of the story when it happened. We were 12 years old when we first played it, and I’ve gotten a couple replays in over the years
9:12 I thought he was gonna say that the global timer was affected by the window color and I got super excited
Today I learned Sephiroth was originally intended to be Aerith's brother... I'm shocked I hadn't heard of this before!
And disappointed in myself.
That's nothing Sephiroth was actually supposed to be a woman.
@@black_nerdy That would've been pretty cool!
brother, then lover. or it might have been the other way around, i forget the order there.
@@locke103 Whaaaa!? I'm gonna have to do some research after work. OG FF7 sounds bonkers.
If they’d killed the people left behind I might have been shattered for life.
Time stamps
3:15 - Yuffie
6:45 - Kalm
8:35 - ATB
10:30 - Elemental
12:55 - Advertising
15:15 - Kefka
16:40 - Aeris
Thank you. Wanted to just skip to the actual facts. 2m+ of intro and that was even before the sponsor. -_-
14:39
I read that in like a pirate voice.
"You want a piece of me program, boy?"
And now I read that in the same voice from a Marine in the original Starcraft.... godamnit.
I appreciate that I did not know these facts in advance! It's rare to find fact videos about a hobby that are actually new. Thanks so much!
You're most welcome foxbear! Glad you found the video insightful :) ~Darryl
I'm glad they didn't go through with that ending idea, it sounded needlessly brutal and mean-spirited. The more ambiguous ending with Red XIII they went with fulfilled the same purpose, capping off the game's focus on life and death by pulling back to when all human life on the planet may or may not be gone.
I just assumed that was a specific reference to the end of Midgar, not all humans.
Agreed. They already killed off Aerith. No need to kill off anyone else.
@@SCRaetz That too, Aerith's death would've been far less impactful and meaningful if most of your party wound up dead.
@@JoelBurger so can everyone stop hating on Nomura for the remake now, not calling out you specifically
@@sdbzfan1 The hate for Nomura has always been irrational, because I guess the community needs a scapegoat for when they don't like something. I remember the days when people said he ruined the franchise with FF X and XIII, the games where all he did was character design.
Fun Fact#8: Jenova's Witnesses are real. They walk from house to house and want you to believe in the Planet's savior, their Mother.
i really hate when those people always come knocking on my front door in their robes, only to ramble on about "reunions" and then fall to the ground and die on my front lawn.
A friend and I confronted some JW's on the street while he was wearing his Jenova's Witness shirt. We looked through the pamphlet, and he's screaming:
"Nothing about Sephiroth, the One Winged Angel sent by mother to bring about the calamity? What is this BLASPHEMY?!"
We barely made it around the corner before we collapsed laughing
they're as popular as a fart in an elevator...
XD legend
@@mr.vidjagamez9896 I hope they also faded out of existence on their own so you'd still have a nice-looking lawn.
Video starts at 3:17
*Yuffie as a bounty hunter, hunting Sephiroth*
Seph: So you have chosen death.
Lol "Seph"
Makes you wonder how many bounty hunters Sephiroth killed and how much that bounty was
With the channels like did you know gaming, FF Union, and other FF fan channels it's hard to come across new information we don't already know now about these games but this was a really great list! Especially for finding out about the mechanics hidden in the game.
Doesnt matter how low that Anxious Heart background music is, I get lost in it every time I hear it and then it’s hard to pay attention to the video commentary lol
Edit: I never knew that bit about Kalm! FFVII is just the gift that keeps on giving.
Another fun fact about Kazushige Nojima.
He previously worked on the Glory of Herakles serie, specifically the 3rd game, where crossdressing plays a rather important role. It's one of the major way our Hero solves most of the game's obstacles (the other being jumping from really high place. It's a pretty crazy game).
(GoH III and IV are pretty good games, actually)
Fact: Cloud's hair is spiky
Nah bro, it's round
I am pretty sure it is blonde.
No,it's spikier.😏
Cloud has no hair. The imagining of his hair has been a shared mako-infused delusion.
Prove it
This was honestly one of the best "obscure" facts videos so far. I am far from an aficionado in terms of the history of this and other FF games, but I consider myself well-read at the very least. I can honestly say I probably only knew tiny tidbits about what was in this video, and the rest of it was a surprise! Good work on digging all of this up!
I hope that the remake will have more story development for Yuffie and Vincent as it would be interesting to see what the original ideas were for these 2 before getting cut down.
I think they will :)
with what we saw in the remake, they will be
More backstory? Vincent has his own game and Yuffie has a good size part in it, plus we see her backstory in Crisis Core.
@@kirara2516 All these are no longer canon or at least does not have to be or should be in the Remake timeline. Both sequels and prequels no longer make sense.
I hope not Vincent can be spared but not yuffie she steals and is uncaring and evil
"You want a piece of me, Program Boy?"
I love how, even before the game was completed, Squaresoft themselves already knew that Tifa was best girl. lol
15:00
That "Give it to Tifa" was priceless. Holy shit, high five to the editor on that one
You know I clicked on this super fast since 7 is my favorite, haha
These were all REALLY neat bits of information. I knew the Turtle Paradise posters had been repurposed but not what their original purpose was, so that was cool! And I love all the little references and such, that kind of "easter egg" is so satisfying to find!
Thank you once again for so much hard work and great content!
You're most welcome Sonja! Thank you so much for the kind comment :) ~Darryl
I didn't know any of these facts, and with FF7 not only being my first and absolute favorite in the series by far, that says a lot. I'm very impressed to still learn more from this masterpiece after so many years. Only makes my love, attachment and appreciation of this game grow even stronger. Thank you mightily for taking the time to put this together ✊🏿🙏🏿
Playing 7 first made 4 brutal with the amount of deaths and sacrifices. :c
The OG was way more brutal. People actually died and the sector 7 catastrophe was way worse than in the remake where they are basically rebuilding it the day after, even finding a broken wooden sign that should be beneath an ocean of concrete, metal and dead bodies. The remake is very much light-hearted and chickens out on many things, most notably the trail of blood in the Shinra building. They say it was to get a lower CERO rating but it also undercut the theme and tension of the OG. While I understand the decision I would have been perfectly fine with seeing the fleeing people in sector 7 get crushed and seeing dead scientists in the Shinra building and wanted more destruction than in the original (more claw marks on the walls etc). As it is going now the Midgard Zolom is not going to be impaled (or at least no blood) and no people are going to die in Gold saucer and Aerith is not gonna...
That Yuffie backstory is actually really cool.
So happy they didn't cut Vincent and Yuffie. Also happy that Nomura scrapped that ending idea because that... would have been so brutal...
Yeah, Vincent in particular ended up being a breakout character. So much so he got his own spin-off game (for better or for worse lol). Would have really been a shame if they had passed up on him. I do think his hidden ties to everything going on in the story, certainly make him one of the most interesting characters. He perhaps has the most reason to be invested in the overall plot than any character other than Cloud.
You guys went pretty deep in this one compared to the last. The Yuffie and Ads for employees were pretty obscure indeed. Congratulations on the sponsor, too!
I was most surprised to find out Yuffie's original concept. Had no idea. That would have been really interesting.
all of these fun easter eggs really pique more of my curiosity about how they plan to approach the next parts of the remake. i could totally see them having yuffie enter as she was originally planned to be.
Nintendo: "Our hardware can't handle that."
Square: "Sony looks like our only option."
Nintendo: "WHAT AN INSULT, YOU'LL RUE THE DAY! RELEASE THE ATTACK GOOMBAS."
*Square and Sony laugh in FFVII money**
Ironically, you can now get FF7 on Switch...
@@zoruasnivy Even has a physical release on cart bundled with FFVIII.
@@CommanderShepard-wq3wo which is Kefka's laugh
Killing all the characters but three is indeed an absurd idea. For once, Nomura was the voice of reason.
Damn they new it was gonna be one of the greatest games before it even came out. That’s some balls right there to just constantly tell people your game is a masterpiece.
That was a crazy time in game advertising. Just look up the Daikatana ads, or watch the ZP about Daikatana.
@@gregorysteimel5165 Come to think about it, it's a good job Square didn't go as far as Ion Storm did with those adverts.
I think sometimes you just know what you have.
This game was a gift to my 7th birthday, since then i was in love with that game.
Anyone else learnt about the cut, shout, hidden, etc elementals from New Threat mod?
I remember those ads in I believe Gamepro, Electronic Gaming Monthly (EGM) and Gameplayers (Which laughingly became UltraGamePlayers before being abandoned) good times.
I'd love to see some of these ideas applied to the remake maybe as secret endings or maybe a perfect ending where everyone lives including Aerith
True fact Barrett's hand is in fact a machine gun that shoots real bullets! Lol how bout Red 13 is in fact a moomba or rather Moomba race in FF8 is based on Nanaki.
THANK YOU for pointing out the moombas in FFVIII!! I thought I was the only one who noticed that!
Now it makes sense!
@mark burke No it means Moomba's are reminiscent to Red13 whether based off of Red13 or Red13 being a moomba himself it all coincides its not farfetched either Ronso race from FFX are playable classes and inhabinants of the univers of FF14 the mmo Shadow bringer dlc was there debut and the classes is Final Fantasy tactics advanced were in many ways in Final Fantasy 12 , FF8 is just notorious for being a forgotten title never got FF7 treatment or the FF4 treatment with remasteers and sequels
in the sense of devolopment for FF9 was in the works before FF8 and FF8's original database was lost in translation due to recklessness thats why FF8 took so long to get a Remaster so its obvious Square let the moomba race fall into the shadows as they have not been a playable class in any future installment.
Would love to hear you guys opinions on the top 10 best dungeon design in the final fantasy series
Definitely that one cave in the original FF that had the section where EVERY.SINGLE.TILE. was a random encounter. 10/10 for sure.
I wish SE gave FF9 as much attention and love as they do FF7.
FF9 is the final fantasy I replayed the most, FF4 a close second. The most time I've played was FF11❤ though
1,2,5,6,8 and 9 should get as much love as 3, 4 and 7 did. the ff8 remaster is a joke, a PSP spin off got more love then most of the mainline games did.
@@Rezuvious ... 3 gets attention? I only ever hear about it when Onion Knight stuff pops up.
3 & 4 got remakes on the DS. I was really hopeing they would give one to 6, Hands down my favorite.
Edit: So 4 got a psp port/remake, it even has the after years.
@@toastbread7192 I think this was a case of them needing remakes the most at the time. Well, certainly in 3s case anyway. Too many of the original gameplay systems in it were too antiquated and cumbersome. Though classic 4 aged a bit better than classic 3.
@@KotCR Fair enough, SNES 4 isnt the best and (If Im right) DS 3 is the first time it got localized. I havent played og 3 but I have heard it not really holding up. (tbh, 3 is not my favorite, I have a hard time getting though it on DS) And SNES 6 still holds up really well, it was more just my personal favorite so personally I really wanted to see in 3d on the DS.
9:55 Why is Barret casting Thundara? Thought it was Bolt 2 or am I remembering this game wrong?
You're right, it was named bolt instead of thundara
Same thing... literally the same thing
Prolly PC mods that rename spells to more current interations
pc mod probably
Which 3 would you pick if they stay with the sacrifice ending? I would choose Cloud, Cid and Vincent if Aerith is already dead
Cloud, Yuffie and Red tend to be my core team. If I could have Aerith, I'd go with Cloud, Yuffie and Aerith. While not "optimal" or whatever, I use characters I like instead of ones that are powerful.
Cloud, Red and Vincent.
Cloud Tifa and Barret since they are more important in the story.
Its a RPG, and story matters alot more than beating the game only with characters that have broken limit breaks.
@@thomaswalsh5848 That is what is important, that your team consist of your favorite characters.
I liked to have aerith as my main spellcaster/summonner.
yuffie as a bounty hunter would've been more enjoyable, and choosing who lives and dies? dang, so much potential! i need to replay this
Potential? If more characters died based on my choice I would have quit the game and refused to play farther. Aerith and Zack dying is bad enough.
kirara2516 yeah I’m not sure my heart would of taken that well
How about Yuffie is a Bounty Hunter was an ex-solider who is a Materia Hunter on the side. Keeping everything basically. Mawahaha
Great job with the video! I've tried my best to find you guys when you're streaming live on twitch, but i'm always on too late. Your vidoes are always very thourough, and i really appreciate all your hard work that shines new light on my favorite games and characters.
Yuffie as an ex-soldier turned bounty hunter, and having the tenacity to actually go after Cloud and Sephiroth as her targets? That would've been WORLDS better than what we got. Always thought it was weird to have Yuffie as a date option anyway during Gold Saucer considering the girl's SIXTEEN, messing with a TWENTY-ONE year old man.
The game is Japanese. In Japan 13 is age of consent
Edit: thought it was 15 that they become adults, but apparently it's 20 now (thanks google!) 13 is... well they're odd about some things.
Killing those that you chose not to take would have been brutal but also an incredible move to increase our attachment to the characters! Wow!! I am a huge fan of that idea!
A few weeks ago, I learned Cait Sith is pronounced Ket Shee from Scottish Gaelic meaning fairy cat.
Makes me wonder how they'll pronounce it in the Remake when we encounter the little mechanical feline.
I was literally just checking for a new video and BAM there it is. Made my day!
Same, since this is about FF7 I obviously clicked on it faster than anything
That's funny, when I look for an awesome video I just check your channel!!
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My favorite is the Yuffie one. Imagine how many storylines they could have created with the bounty-hunter concept. While Yuffie is probably the funniest character, her storyline is the worst where she basically gets 10 lines and abandons you before you're back together
wow, killing off 3 more characters at the end would have been so staggering. It was already such a crazy moment in Aerith's death.
Barret, Yuffie and Cid is my dream party.
Cloud/Barret= main damage dealer, hp/mp absorb summoner.
Yuffie=Item stealer, source harvester, support magic user
Cid=defender, item user, final attack Phoenix operator
Then yuffie should had died by the hand corner and her goons
Awesome vid i admire your hardwork, I am currently playing the original FF7 game and it was perfect timing you release this video. After 23 years this is STILL my favorite game :)
The poster for the bar called "Mt. Koltz" is Sector 8
Wow, a list of things that, outside of the damage types, I actually did not know! Usually see these videos on youtube and it's "heeeey, did you know Master Chief refers to a military rank?"
I love this music, this voice, and commentary about this game.
I didn’t know about Kalm, new feelings now when I play in that area.
I'm glad that not only the Three at the End are alive -
As absolutely METAL as it would have been to have everyone in the cast just DIE except your final 3, I do think it would have upset more people than impress, since it doesn't seem telegraphed and out of your control.
Through no fault of your own, your characters die, no battle for their life, no qte, no dialogue options to change who lives or dies. Just arbitrarily "fuck you"
This was awesome! Thanks for all the great facts! I'm always fascinated by damage types, and I'm a big fan of FFVI so I completely missed the mt.kolts reference. Do you know if it still exists in FF7R?
14:11 lol now you can find a PSYCHICAL copy today for FF7 and 8 for the switch
Sephiroth and Aerith were originally meant to be related!!?? Aw dude! THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AWESOME!
Honestly, there is still alot of hints and alludes to this in the dialogue. I remember when we played the original back in the day, both me and my brother thought that that was were the story was going, or at least that Sephiroth too was an ancient. Obviously, what they actually went with in the end is alot more complicated hehe.
Aerith does have a somewhat similar hairstyle to Sephiroth if you compare both of them from a front view.
It's true that they were meant to be related. They were specifically designed to have the same bangs and same eye color as the physical tells that they were siblings. But did you know that when that idea was scrapped, then they had the thought to make Sephiroth Aerith's ex-boyfriend? However in the end after playing around with that idea they decided that Sephiroth and Aerith would only be enemies and then Zack was added to the roster-both him and Tifa being the final characters added to the game. :)
It sounds nice but I actually prefer them not to be related. It makes sephiroth killing aerith have a different feel.
Brother killing powerfull special sister would have been just another cliche.imo
Final Fantasy Union: Common facts are "FFVII was originally developed as a ps2 game", "Nobuo Uematsu used the Puzzle Method to write OWA", "Aerith and Sephiroth were supposed to be siblings."
Me: "Wtf. How's ffvii developed for the ps2? It came out early in the ps1 lifespan. Did they want to save the game until after ix?"
Also me: "I'm a composer and I never heard of "the puzzle piece method". I could only trace this terminology back to an interview with Nobuo Uematsu, where he described writing short segments of the song before piecing them together like a puzzle. Not as an official music composing method."
Also also me: "I must've completely misunderstood this, but I thought Sephiroth said he was a Cetra. Since Ifalna is the last Cetra, she must be his biological mother and Lucrecia is just his carrier mother. That would mean Aerith and Sephiroth share the same mother and are half siblings. I guess I was wrong all those years."
Aerith and Sephiroth aren't siblings.
Sephiroths parents are Professor Hojo, and Lucrecia.
Aeriths parents are Professor Ghast, and Ilfana.
Sephiroth thought he was a Cetra because Shinra did research on Jenova and thought she was a Cetra. Shinra was wrong about Jenova being a Cetra though. The truth is that Jenova was an alien, the great calamity that fell from the sky that created the Northern Crater.
@@randalthor2859 There are so many people that get this wrong, especially since the release of FF VII remake. Many people think that when Sephiroth says he is a Cetra he was correct despite the game was most likely showing this to make us see the mad part about him. I do not know how many people that never realized that Sephiroth was drawing the wrong conclusion (about Jenova and basically himself) in the base game but I thought it was kinda obvious even back then.
I actually used your discount code to buy headphones. Used your code because the content was great. Keep up the good work.
That original idea for the ending is fascinating. Love seeing all the details about what was planned.
Interesting points about Yuffie..... I hate Yuffie and am now unable have a happy day cause I'm remembering the days I was stuck in Wutai (playing as Cid) cause Yuffie had stolen my materia and I couldn't move on. It was literal days before I finally saw that gong move and I could continue the story.
FUCK YOU YUFFIE, I''LL NEVER FORGIVE YOU FOR THE HELL YOU PUT ME THROUGH NEARLY 20 YEARS AGO!
This channel has so good content. It keeps getting better. Love it.
Wow, thank you so much for you very kind comment! ~Darryl
Yuffie ... a 25yr old Bounty Hunter going after Cloud and Sephiroth?
I am blown away...
Ah. So this Turtle's Paradise, I assume, is what Remake calls "The Happy Turtle." Collecting posters was basically what the associated sidequest had you do in Intergrade as well.
Watching this after the remake makes me appreciate it more.
At 1:45, Id like to pre-emptively ask before continuing the video what the ff7 starting out as a ps2 game thing was about?
Well Yuffie is my most favourite FF character of all and seeing two Yuffies on the thumbnail...I'm gonna click
I prefer tifa and aeris over yuffie, they can kick her stinky but-tocks
Yeah, I didn't know any of them, including the one about Aerith and Sephiroth! I think the original plan Yuffie sounds a lot better than the one that actually went ahead.
1:49 How could Final Fantasy 7 start out as a Playstation 2 game O.o Do you guys mean SNES?
Yes... yes we did, because what we said in the video would be impossible :D
Yeah I'm pretty sure this was just a mistake.
@@FinalFantasyUnion I just thought y'all had some real secret info and were telling us that Square had a time machine!
@@nfpgamingchannel Now THAT would be amazing. Does that mean VIII was based on real events that just haven't happened yet?
I read somewhere that ff7 was going to be a Nintendo 64 game but the cartridge couldn't handle the capacity of memory it would require. Also parasite eve and Chrono cross were actually scraped ideas from ff7.
Final fantasy 7 1/2 life are my two favorite games of all time it’s funny that don’t go on and on and on many games come out but these two still reigns supreme
I like how people made this games back in 90ere all that works in the game, people still find things in the games, their creative thinking about the game it was so beautiful
As someone with a username referencing one of the most obscure things in FFVII, I appreciated this video a lot. In terms of trivia FFVII is loaded to the brim with them. And it's not possibly the greatest game of all time, it is the greatest game of all time... At least in my opinion :p
Then what about F VII remake? Are you, one of those that think it is a disgrace, a wrong turn (like me), or is hopelessly bedazzled by new content?
What's the reference!
BTW, I loved FF7R!
@@vincentgraymore Eau contraire, I LOVE the remake. Not 100% sure on how the final chapter plays out mind, but everything else I loved. Though obtaining the Gotterhammerdung was the biggest pain in the ass there is!!!
@@JL-nb1yc The reference for my name is... to the vehicle the group uses to escape Midgar in the original game XD It is a very obscure fact, if you watch the video of the vehicles in the Shinra showroom it displays the name, which is taken from the prototype suspension found in said vehicle! It's almost as obscure as the trivia "YA-79"
@@sswishbone >_< then to each their own. Much to love in FF VII Remake but also much to hate. In the end, this will be the biggest "I told you so" for whatever camp is right.
The ending fact is actually quite interesting. For example they could kill the two characters who were not pocked in any of the two teams made for the second face. Especially now with the remake.
Those head phones better not disappoint! Been following you and your awesome content for a long time.
"Biggs!! Wedge!!! Jessie!! Damnit...DAMN IT ALL TO HELL!!!"
not gonna lie, changing history in the remake left me in tears... Bear-Bear really deserved that win this time around...
I'm in love with this game
Didn’t think I would learn anything new here but I actually did. Thanks for the obscure info
I love the amount of work put into these facts, some of which I did not know, keep up the great work! ♡♡
I always look forward to your videos! I always learn something new about this great series!
And now I own it on cartridge on a Nintendo system. It's a funny and ironic world we live in
It was nice to see a video do what it actually claimed. I would venture a guess that it would be a small portion of the fan base that knew all of this. As someone that is hardcore about the FF7 franchise (it is my favorite game of all time), I am truly glad that information like this is being put out there. Usually when I run across these videos it is some lame video about stuff people have known about for years.
I found a fact you may not know, Nibelheim was once Mist of Final Fantasy 4 where Rydia comes from, it is talked about in world of Final Fantasy
@Final Fantasy Union what game/remake does the Kalm incident footage come from (around 7.17)?
Did anyone notice that Bugenhagen says "Eventually... All humans die." This is almost a direct quote that Aerith in the remake uses when looking at the Lifestream energy from everyone who died in the plate fall. She says "Everyone dies eventually."
i dont know why i never questioned the Kalm and Nibelheim likeness. altho i know i have thought about it in some level :D
I thoroughly enjoyed these facts, especially the Kefka related ones. Thanks for the video.
Maybe that fact about the endgame where the player chooses three characters to finish the game with, will feature in the remake?
Thank you for this video!! Love all your content as well as your podcast episodes. I’m a big fan!!
I have a complicated history with Final Fantasy 7. It was the very first PS1 game I ever owned and the very first Final Fantasy game I ever beat.
For once, these were things I actually didn't know. Good on you for doing the research and not just reusing the same high-level info everyone else uses for clicks.
I flipped my shit to learn Yuffie was originally gonna be ex soldier.. Holy fuck... Wow... I need the reality stone so I can go and experience the game where this happens (among other things). Everything else is pretty cool too.. The idea of Sephiroth and Aerith being brother and sister is interesting.. Yeah, I really need the reality stone. Oh since I brought up the stones... Tifa has her own infinity gauntlet. I am not the first to do or say this and I shall not be the last but I had to make my obligatory fangirl comment.
Its really cool! Her being an ex Soldier gives her poloneck top some signifigance. If it was more red, she would have been SOLDIER 2nd class.
Interesting comment about the huge amount of elemental magic. They cut a lot out in the remake - Leviathan is now a non elemental summon!
I don't know why they put in two Chocobo summons and yet not Ramuh!
Thank you for making more final fantasy 7 content! Love it!
So Yuffie was originally designed to be a much more in-depth Amarant (FF9) bounty hunter chasing after the main characters. Not gonna lie, I wish there was another former SOLDIER character in the game that fit that position, as that's kinda cool.
Kalm was ALSO a Nibelheim...from 5 years earlier.
The ATB has a global timer, but also a speed modifier for each character based on their speed stat but ALSO two other timers, and different status effects actually use different timers to determine their total length.
Compared to most FF games having 5-10 elements, FF7 had 16, and of those, only 9 (a little more than half) were clearly displayed to the player.
There were advertisements at the time, some of which were were a little nuts.
There were a few references to FF6.
There was some thought on killing off all but three characters (the player would pick 3 when parachuting into Midgaar, and the ones not picked would be killed off before the end of the game), but this was vetoed.
....and there were a lot of other little micro-facts thrown in.
Regardless, some of these I knew, but some i did not. Cool stuff. :D