My father and my good friend neighbor both ride the ktm 990 and i own the tenere 700 world raid with the dual tanks. First: ive been riding motocross/enduro/adventure bikes for 20+ years and have never heard of anyone boiling petrol inside the tanks, even with the smoking hot engine of the 990. My dad rode 50.000km on his 990 across south america at really high tropical temperatures and never had such an issue. That being said i am sure i will never run into this issue with the raid since it runs pretty cool as it is. Second, the suspension difference on the raid is huge. Its not just the travel. The spring rates are much stiffer and shim-stacks are also much different. The compression and rebound damping range is much bigger compared to the stock bike and the ramp-up/bottom out resistence is simply uncomparable. The two suspension systems are in my experience completely uncomparable. Regarding the weight, let me put it this way: the tanks on the raid are so much lower that if you fill them up with the same 16L as the regular model, the bike feels considerably lighter. And i dont know what you mean with "filling up procedure"? When i fill up my bike i just open the lids one after another and just fill them up normally. Any weight difference between the left-right tanks the bike will compensate immediately, since it has a dedicated mini-fuel-pump to regulate the level on both sides. I feel like this video was very "theory based" and less experience based with the bike in question. Again, i own the raid and non of your concerns with this modell came true to me. Would love to hear you experiences with it if you ever get your hands on one. Cheers Pavlin❤
@@hrithikraj6862 in my opinion, yes. Been riding it now for quite a while and cannot imagine a better bike for me. The more i ride it, the more i like it. Let me put it this way: if someone stole my bike today and i got the full money back from insurance, i would be buying the world raid again with closed eyes no questions asked. And everyone in my little motorcycle community that rode my bike love it immediately
I m glad that Yamaha released an improved version of the Tenere, cause the fan boys will be upset and want to get it, so they will sell their early version to us who are broke at a decent price😁
Thank you Pavlin for the useful and interesting views you always have. Personally, I think that the World Raid edition makes sense if someone is almost two meters tall and weighs over a hundred kg and is still planning a travel two up on tenere😊
You always make a lot of sense, Pavlin - thank you for taking the time to produce these videoes for us. Regarding the original tyre, it probably was a production defect. As to the tube - natural rubber tubes tend to leak a little, especially light duty ones. On the upside, they normally just puncture with no further damage, whereas butyl inner tubes leak next to nothing when whole, but usually rupture if punctured. Could the stock tube be made from natural rubber? Otherwise, I fully agree that spending lots on technology usually do not bring lots of new functionality. I feel there often is a lot of hype, and when you read test reports about the newest and greatest, you are lead to believe last year's model is totally obsolete. Then you notice someone on a 30 year old machine leaving everyone on new material behind. Because he or she invested in developing their skills instead of buying new bikes every year.
Thanks again Pavlin. You're 100% correct. We love to obsess about our bikes but they really are secondary. It's the experiences and the people that count. I'm riding a very basic DR650 from NZ to UK as it's cheap and simple! Would love to catch up for a beer in the summer of 2025 when I'm in Bulgaria. Nazdrave! 😊
Interesting insight Pavlin, thanks for sharing. If I may say, regarding the dual tank: comparing the T7 solution with KTM 950/990 it's not appropriate in my opinion. The KTM 950/990 engine is famous for being as hot as a vulcan, and the problem is a bit less visible with the 1190 series (I own this). I am not surprised if your friend had the tank deformed. The advantage of having a double tank is that, in case of failure of one tank due to a falling, you should be able to proceed you journey with the other one. I have seen a couple of episodes during and off-road use. As you always say, it depends what you use your bike for. I agree with you about changing the muffler position, that modification would have been a real plus. Thanks again.
I have the Acerbis 23 litre tank for my T7 and your video has put my mind at ease. The bike will still be slim enough and I will have the range I want when I go on tour with my mates on their larger Adventure bikes.
@@motorcycleadventures Indeed, a small petrol can would do for most of it. But no, in these cases, the alternate route is an airplane. One road I've travelled has a 400 km stretch with nothing, a fuel station, then another 200 km to a small community with a fuel station. We have some truly remote places! The road in question is between Matagami and Radisson. It's on the way to the Trans-Taiga, the most remote road (by land) on the continent. Some adventure riders do the Trans-Taiga. Might be something you'd enjoy someday!
Okay, then for this place, which I guess you are not going to ride everyday petrol can for 10 dollars would be just fine. The rest, 1,990$ you can save to travel in areas with more petrol stations.
I recently bought a world raid. I fully agree with Pavlin in this video, a lot of it is a bit additional stuff and still a shame of the exhaust. I bought the world raid actually just for the additional bigger tank ( i really love the miles i can make now) and also another simple reason: got a good deal on it. And since it is my first new motorcycle i decided to spend a bit more extra money on the world raid with a bit beter suspension. I do have to say that the wider tank compared to my testride with the orginal tenere did make it feel more bulky. But i got used to it quite quickly.
I love the new bike. Will I ever need the extra 7 litres? Probably not, But the peace of mind I will have knowing I have zero chance of running out of fuel even if I get lost or miss a fuel stop will allow me to enjoy my trip better, which is what matters most! Cheers!
I think comparing KTM engineering to Yamaha engineering is little short sighted. KTM, like every other European manufacturer, are very short sighted when designing. They don't care if it'll work two years down the line because they plan on selling you a new bike by then. Yamaha is much more thoughtful in their approach and I'm sure they would have known of the common issues associated with the dual tank KTMs.
@@gbner9991 Are you really going to sit there and say KTMs are more reliable than Yamahas? The oversight on the exhaust hanger is baffling but the dual tanks is supposed to fix the high COG because they sit lower. They also addressed the suspension being too soft for some riders.
BigSingle654, I agreed with the first statement but to talk about reliability after 30,000km is just not serious. KTM is very well known for its reliability issues and I don't think that this will change any time soon. I hope that you will never learn it the hard way.
Great video Pavlin ! I'm totaly agree with you, on additional tips, the new World raid is higher than the "classic" and it should be tricky at low speed on to control the bike in case of trouble if you are less than 1m80
Thank you for a great summary of the model. Always good to hear what you have to say, you being a rider who really uses their bike in the way it was intended.
7 litres are 5kg more… if you put 16 litres in the petrol tank its only 9kg more than the standard version with more suspension travel, wind protection and a few things. 1 cm more higher from the ground.. i thinks this is also important. Smart move, in my opinion, this is so much better in every situation except going to do “enduro” on sunday. Better motorcycle for traveling, offroad adventures, and everything the customer should expect from an adventure motorcycle
The Raid is £600 more than the rally here in the UK. Ok its still not the unicorn that we all want but seems better value to me than the Rally. Higher screen, wider pegs, better suspenders. New TFT. 23 L tank that you dont have to fill up every refill if you want to keep the weight and COG down. Some built in crash protection.
I'm glad I stayed until the end of the video! Will definitely keep in mind for the first tire change of my T7. Thanks Pavlin, keep up the good work and traveling the world!
Nice video! I have the tenere 700 rally, 1 months now... i love it, 1.500km done! i think the same, nice new tenere, but i prefer mine! congrats from Madeira Island, Portugal.
I don' t like big petrol tanks and i don't need them. My Transalp 700 has 17.5 l petrol tank and i have traveled all over the Balkans (including Bulgaria). Enen to the 2 pass of Romania (Transalpina and Transfagarasan) i didn't have any problem with the range. Your videos are very interesting, Pavlin.
Salut Pavlin, Thanks for the wobbling tip. Today I changed original front tyre and tube with Continental TKC 70 tyre and Michelin 1.1mm tube. Before mounting new tyre I checked the rim balance, fortunately rim balance is perfect. Now can I confirm everything is perfect (no wobbling), I tested till 120km/h. Have a nice day, Costi
9:20 to about 9:30 Yes Pavlin!!! Thank you for this!! So many get caught up in the "latest greatest". I can tell you 100% when I do my travels it's the journey and not the bike I remember.
Finally. Someone who expressed the same thoughts i have. From my 1190 R i was looking to another bike. A bike that does not has some bad things the 1190 R has. And this is weight. I still need some power and i also want a bit comfort. So maybe a little bit less weight. But atleast a bike then with a bit lower center gravity. When the t7 came out i thought ok ? Lets see where this is going. But soon i became aware that it is topheavy. For me it is. When i heard from this world raid with double tanks that were placed lower i became happy. For a short time. I would be more happier if there was less gasoline but that the center gravity was a big bit lower. What Yamaha has done is purely for marketing purposes. And creating a large amount of new buyers. And now i am a bit sad actually cause Yamaha was so on the right path. I am getting older and picking the bike up after a crash is becoming more and more difficult. Expeccially when your own energy is degrading and when it is hot weather. And every time that you need to unload its luggage to loose weight that is on the top. This will drain me. All in all the concept is ok but in reality there is for me notting to gain. And this reality goes up for more people who wants to go away from the tarmac. I hope that Honda will do a 450 cc double cillinder adventure bike and keeping the weight below 160 kg. And with a low as possible center gravity. Even a 450 single cillinder like the crf 300 would be great. And then with the same interval as their 300 cc counterpart. But with a bit better suspension. I would buy such a bike immediatly. It is not the crashing that i am afraid of. Cause this will happen if you want it or not. But those heavy bikes will take all your energy. They burn you out offroad. Until now the 890 r is still the better choice for low gravity. But the maintanance interval is not so ok. And it has not the reliability for a world trip bike so to speak. So my hope is that there will be a lighter bike soon.
so happy to hear youtalking about you solved the wobbeling. i one had mine perfectly balanced, but not seated well within the rim. don´t know better how to describe it. anyhow, it´s such a relief to see and hear people finding the solution to having this calm ride again. :-) of course the rest of your video is of usual quality and i share your opinion also, "just" use your bike, don´t try to improve it as if it was a upgrade game, remember why you started: it´s all about the driving. but , that said, i _also_ totally understand how people can have this GAS (gear aquisition syndrome) , because i know it from the time i myself tried to get better at being a rock guitar man in a band. and quess what, it´s more than 80% percent in the fingers, as they say so nice and max 20% in the guitar itself. if like you play a song or two. to the listeners. but i must admit, if you play gigs after gigs and spend most of your awake-time on stage, you will notice less fatique on the expensive stuff, for sure. and even after a song. but here comes the same question that i asked myself, as the guitars i dreamed of tended to cost more and more: what will i use it for and are thousands of dollars worth the expense considering how much i play in the end and how much i will only look at it . so in the end neither do i play that many gigs to spend fortune on more and more guitars, nor do i professionally race to do the upgrade battle :-D this helps me a lot to focus on the right things (for me!) . it seems we all sometimes have tendencies to blame the swim suit first, if we can´t swim :-) Greetingz and .... speed safe :-) Mariusz
I like the idea of the larger tank. I hate carrying a spare fuel can, and I've been in a few places in the world where a long range really counts (as in parts of South America like Chile, where the gas stations are far apart, and Bolivia, where you can turn up in a town and every single petrol station is out of gas!) The increased weight is a wet weight, so you'd have to account for that. If you don't like the weight, and normally run with 16L, you could fill the tank only part way, and the center of gravity will be lowered. I also like the increased wind protection from the larger windscreen and side parts. So... On the whole, I'm looking forward to the new Tenere.
@@motorcycleadventures...up until the new Transalp and V-Strom 800 appeared, you can now buy an ex-demo Tenere WR with its first service done for under £10000, or £10.800 new! Plenty for sale, Yamaha overpriced them to start with!
Thanks for your thoughts and insight Pavlin! If I bought a new Tenere I would probably go for the World Raid, if I already had the slim one I would have spent the money on the existing bike instead. ...or as you say, focus on adventures with the money to spend 😁👌
Pavlin, thanks for the review, excellent review. At expensive helmets usually the value reflects the high price. When it comes to a functional helmet, then it is clear that the cheap price is a main thing. It is also more comfortable to walk around with a cheap helmet in terms of scratches and theft. Noise can be overcome with earplugs, but the most important thing for me is that the helmet visor seal out the wind, otherwise the wind dries out the eyes and it becomes very unpleasant. On the other hand, most of the cheap helmets have no difficulty providing a reasonable wind seal at a speed of 100 km/h.
I had the same thing on the front end. I brought it back to the shop where I bought it to let them check out what was going on in the front. Turned out the front tire was not seated properly. They re-mounted the tire and now it rides perfect!
You make a lot of very good points Pavlin! At first I was thinking "Well, he said THIS about the petrol tanks earlier, lets see what he says now" and you came out with very compelling points as to why you still feel the same way! Gotta admit, what you said makes a lot of sense.
I really like your comments, we share the same way of thinking. More is sometime just more, not better. We are not Travis Pastrana or Pol Tarres, however we wanted to be. So comments for average Joe is what I like.
Hey Pavlin, greetings from Texas, USA! We don’t get this new Tenere RR here until next year and, that’s ok with me as I’m not interested. I paid $10,250 out the door for my 2021 Tenere and the list price for this new Tenere RR here is $16,350! I find my 2021 Tenere is becoming a bigger value for my cost every time I look at other Bikes! Common Sense is something You understand and That is something that isn’t common in the world today. Great Video as usual my friend, Ride On.
owning both models the world raid is a fantastic upgrade, if i could onlykeep one its the raid all the way ,the suspension alone totaly makes it worth it , the extra fuel i hardly feel, i one hundred percent recomend the raid over standerd ,but the standerd bike is still a awsome bike .
and hill control, traction control... and it will never ends. At the end we will finish with a bike that will ride alone and the rider will be pointless...
If you want no nonsense honest T7 and adventure bikes' opinions, then listen to Pav! I got all hyped-up about the new T7, especially about the large fuel tank, until Pav gave us the pros and cons about what could go wrong in the future. A few of my questions are: why did Yamaha come up with this solution, and has it been put through endurance testing long enough to come to production so soon? Or was this a business deal to make more money as many riders were modifying their fuel tank? Pav, you've owned and tested two models and can certainly speak from experience. Thanks for your well-rounded adventure-motorcycling honest opinions, which I always appreciate!
I really like your no-nonsense approach to bikes, Pavlin. The new Raid ist significantly more expensive. I'd rather save the money and go travelling. Cheers from Nürnberg/Germany, Günter
I have a similar saying about the cars. All what matters is an instrument cluster, as that's the only thing you see when driving :) The same applies to bikes.
a biker of 55yrs from Yamaha RD1 360cc Enduro thru to CB1300X4,..I have had Triumphs, BSA Rocket 3, Moto Guzzi Eldorado, Honda, Yamahas and a Suzi somewhere..bikes of today are to complicated..to many electrics, fuel injection, sensors, EDU, you name it..once upon a time if the bike broke down it was either petrol, spark or battery, and a teenager could fix it on the side of the road,,Now you have to get a tow truck to take you home, and a truck load of tools and testing equipment. Even my CB500x, you need to take the bike almost apart just to change the spark plugs,,,
Im a motorcycle racer, we deal a lot with suspension issues. If you are getting a wobble with a certain tire and not another its more likely due to the tires size being too tall and the geometry of the bike is not properly adjusted. Most likely the forks height through the triples, are not set for the bike. Every tire brand all differ in the actual size. So I would suggest you get a tire technical spec sheet and see the over all tires height and compare it with the new conti tire. Lets say there is a 6mm difference in the height of the tires, what you do is split it in half and adjust the forks up or down by 3mm to compensate for the difference in height. So if you run a taller tire, you lower the front end of the bike 3mm. Its very simple to make small fork adjustments.
When the people are professionals in something, they usually miss some obvious things. I told you already, the tire was bend or damaged on one spot. There is nothing with the high of the rubber or the forks. If this was only me I might agree, but hundreds of people reported the same problem.
@@motorcycleadventures I am not a pro by any means! Just a racer and we deal with these issue, especiialy on new setups. I did not miss what you said. I dont think your tire warping was from the tire factory. I think the tire deforming is maybe due to vibration for awhile and the tire adapted and deformed, or like you said the chinese inner tube. I have read issues with the pirelli str vibrating the front ends of the teneres 700's it is a common issue. But I wouldnt blame the tire, if the forks are not set for them. A too tall of a front tire will give you wobbles or tank slappers, thats why I was curious to see if the new tire you replaced with was taller or smaller. A too small of a tire will give you a quicker steering feel.
@@motorcycleadventures Your dismissive response to @ibidu1 is extremely rude ! His point about geometry was perfectly valid. Fact that you've seen tyre rubber wobbling on a machine it doesn't mean it was your problem. You've changed tyre brand and model so you'll never know. I wonder why this wasn't resolved by warranty ?
Great video with valuable insights and information. In terms of weight the World Rally/Raid goes up to the AT levels which makes it a non favourable option. A tough choice for the new rider IMHO.
Good video, thanks for your educated point of view. I fully share the idea that a bike is just a tool. I may add that almost any bike may do, if one is willing. There are many around the world travellers using my father's old Vespa. I'm currently having a blast around Italy on Kawa J300 scooter with my wife along. Just enjoy the scenery. I had a KTM 950 back in 2004, used it for >50,000 kms across Greece and Turkey and never had any issue. The water overflows from the compensation tank if filled above the mark line, my mistake. Otherwise a near perfect bike with AMAZING suspension, even to date. While I understand your comments on the new World Raid model, there is a fundamental point missing. Real time experience with it. Your opinion is valuable, but it's just based on a "spec sheet" without actually using the bike. Let's just say the jury is still out until you tried the new model and confirm your ideas. Finally, your comparison/pov on the suspension is based exclusively on the travel. While important it misses a more important element. Quality! Suspension performance have many factors, and while travel excursion is one of them, it misses many others. And for that, one needs to test it and see if it fits. Again, thanks for your insights.
I’m not surprised that KTM struggled with long term durability of their split fuel tanks, but I would be surprised if Yamaha doesn’t get it right. IMO Great video!! Thanks for making it.
Sound points. True. But (!), not sure I'd equate Yamaha with KTM engineering! The fact that there were problems with the 950/990's tanks does not mean Yamaha will have made the same errors. I owned both 950S and 990R (both had problems); I've owned 3 KTM enduros (all had problems). I've owned 6 Yamahas (MX and road), none have had problems. I think the Raid looks to be moving in a positive direction and will provide good, cost effective competition for Ducati. But I agree, not much wrong with the standard bike.
The point about tyres is very good. Manufacturers use special low quality (cheaper) versions of top tyre brands for their new bikes. This is why bikes perform better after you change the tyres. Read the full code name on the tyre wall, the difference will be one letter. It often means that the tyre is made is an outsourced factory in a third world country.
Kia ora from New Zealand.....Great informative video Pavlin, after seeing your other review on Tenere 700 mods I have decided to keep to buying the current T7 model and not wait for the World Raid. Keep up the great work P! :-) I have the Yamaha WR250r 2020 and only mods I made are the Bash Plate, Handguard and Tail tidy to attach a Rotomax fuel canister, now riding for 2 years I am so use to the stock setup, suspension, power etc I am very happy, like you state "95%" of time is what we should always be working off when considering expensive mod upgrades.
Cool review thank you Two filler cap’s real smart one for 95 octane and one for 98 octane ❓to be earnest the OEM skip plate looks rather ugly and the muffler looks awkward hanging out in the air looking like they forgot it and mounted it in the last moment before release i think your black version are beautiful. so forgett about it and ride safe 👍
Thanks for your honest opinion of the new Rally Raid Tenere 700 Pavlin ! - Yamaha are definitely a high end, high quality build manufacturer but there are two possibilities why the Rally Raid version of the Tenere 700 is the way it is.. The fact that they have not addressed some of the main criticisms of standard Tenere 700 owners (top heaviness, rear footpeg mounts, soft springing etc.. etc..) might show that, like many other manufacturers, they're not really listening to their customers.. Of course on the other hand it might mean that they ARE listening but don't want to bring out a model that is such a big improvement on the standard Tenere 700 that it damages the sales of the standard model ?...
Suzuki had DR750 had twin tanks back in 1988. I like both versions of the Tenere but would go for the twin tanks as the bike looks better and the extra range is always a good thing.
Great video as always Pavlov! I am in the market of coming back to riding a motorcycle and this time I am interested in try riding a little bit offroad/gravel roads. So the Tenere seems to be an affordable and fun option. Yamaha had their tour visiting our local dealer with the option to try out most of Yamahas line up. I frist tried the Tenere Explore and then the World Rally (Raid with an Acrapovic exhaust). I didn't think the difference would be that big, but I have to say it really was! The WR was so much more confident and stable on the road. If I already had the Tenere, would I upgrade? No!
I prefer the standard version, 2500 eur more and 20kg more, I don't need any of the new features. I changed the stock Pirelli tires with 7000km, no issues with wobble in front tire.
There is a recall on some tkc 80 for cracking between the knobs from January 19 to 4/22 with a code from the factory it's made in but cannot remember it
Great review on New yamaha world raid pavlin.. Being more heavy than the previous model why didn't they put the 900 triple engine in this bike? Is it true the 900 tenre is in the works?
Thanks again for your insights and experience Pavin. Was liking the look of the Raid but agree that it's wise to wait a bit when new models are released. Hope it all works out though because that extra range would be great. I carry spare fuel quite often and to have that capacity built in would be much easier.
@@motorcycleadventures thanks also for doing what you do. I don't agree with everything you say, of course we have different experiences, but you are true to yourself and your views which allows viewers like me something sound to work with and from: a touchstone. Not many people have the balls to do this on social media so thanks very much and respect.
You have to wonder how Itchy Boots is able to travel daily long distances through South America and southern Africa on bikes like the Royal Enfield and Honda's 250L with far less fuel capacity than even the standard T7.
Hi Pavel, the rubber from the tubes ist the reason wy it loose air. The chinys brands produce not only from "Kautschuk". Heidenau do these, this are better. You can repair them when you need on the road. Left hand greatings. Olli
Thank you for your comments on the new Raid my biggest concern is the extra weight. Esier ti just carry extra 5 litre of petrol ? If that is really necessary
Great bike, but the 220kg with 74hp bothers me a bit. Double tanks are great! One has to look at the fuel lining to see if that is a potential lifesaver. On my DR750Big(29Ltank and 200kg full) I broke one fuel line and could continue the ride by simply cutting it, plugging it, and only using the other half. It needs to be accessible tho, which is easy with that thumper. Now, without crash bars, there was a possibility of losing a tank if you crashed or at least throwing it out of whack. Not a big deal because it was so simple to fix, but scary. I hope Yamaha made a solid design here.
Your reviews are well thought out and presented in a friendly, yet professional manner. I’m so ready to buy the Yamaha Tenere 700, but nobody has one available in Southern California. I’ll keep searching. Any ideal how this bike would stack up against the new Ducati Desert x?
You said the T7 weight increased by 16kg (35.27lbs.). That’s a good amount of weight increase for off road riding. I like some of the upgrades but at what cost? Then you add the usual modifications that we do to protect our bikes and that number goes higher. I thought the purpose of the mid-weight adventure bikes was to lighten them up.
Yes, it would be 220kg before the necessary weight like center stand, engine and crash guards, hand guards, and a few more, about 10kg. So it would be 230 before the luggage.
The smcr is the same weight as the enduro R, and that has a very similar purpose as the Tenere, 220kg is a ridiculous weight for a 700cc "middle weight" bike. I've come across one of these stuck in a lane in Wales, it was like manoeuvring a beached wale. I'll have a test ride though as I'm often wrong about these things!
Safari tanks in Australia now make a 25 lt aftermarket tank for the STD T7, My mate has a KTM 990 and suffers from fuel boiling issues...anyway, the sad thing about the T7 is the time it took between concept and release to the public, a lot of potential buyers were sick of waiting and went for other bike brands....unfortunately I did and bought a Triumph 800 XCA, because the T7 would have been too tall for me as well.
To me those dual gas tanks just look ridiculous. Absolutely destroys the sleek beauty of the bike. I agree with you that if you feel you need more gas just carry an extra gallon! (I just added the Alt-Rider rear luggage rack which is great for this). All the other features they added are more like high-end farkles and not necessary at all. And damn that new bike is expensive! Might as well get a Norden 901 for that money, assuming it is reliable. I got lucky my oem tires were incredibly super smooth right from the dealer. For the way I ride those Scorpion tires have been nice. After owning my T7 for a year and a half I find 2 significant faults with the bike: 1. Even as just a moderate rider I find that exhaust hanger as a problem waiting to bite me in the a*& and 2. lack of cruise control. I'm ignoring the exhaust hanger and hoping for the best (just installed R&G side racks which offer some protection) and for cruise control I added a Kaoko throttle lock. I live along the Alaska Highway and ride big distances and the size of the gas tank has never been an issue. And I can tell you that one of the secrets of this bike is that if you ride it at 80 km/h it will go over 500 km!
@@MarkRose1337 I absolutely love my T7! I definitely would buy it again. At this time I see nothing else in the market that I would rather have. I think it was made for me specifically: I'm 6'2" and between 190-200 lbs with moderate off-road skills. I came from a KLR 650, so to me this is like going from a Pinto to a Mercedes. And I just love the way it looks! I only add extras that add and not detract from its look! I guess I am superficial. Ya, the Yukon is a pretty fun place to ride. Lots of remote roads into the DEEP wilderness. I have barely touched most of it. Can't wait for summer!
Great and candid discussion on the bike especially from someone who has real experience. I'll be getting a street bike first (I'm in New York City) but my first adventure bike since my modded DR650 will be the Yama Tenere 700 World Raid. I love the simplicity and more importantly, the cost! If Suzuki had an adventure model of the DR650, this Yamaha would be very similar to it. I loved riding my DR650 and this is exactly the type of bike I wanted my DR650 to be. Well, the Ducati is gorgeous but at 2x the price..... :-D
I run a Yamaha tank bag so I’m not sure how that would work. I like the front only ABS option. I’m thinking the screen and pegs might be interchangeable in which case I may swap those over to mine.
NewcT700. About 12000? Great bike. Old T700 second hand. 8000? 5 litre fuel can. 12 dollars? About 4000 to travel.and I can travel a long way on 4000. And new Tenere is now well proven. Great bike Yamaha but I'll take the travel, please. To each their own. Happy travels 👍
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My father and my good friend neighbor both ride the ktm 990 and i own the tenere 700 world raid with the dual tanks. First: ive been riding motocross/enduro/adventure bikes for 20+ years and have never heard of anyone boiling petrol inside the tanks, even with the smoking hot engine of the 990. My dad rode 50.000km on his 990 across south america at really high tropical temperatures and never had such an issue. That being said i am sure i will never run into this issue with the raid since it runs pretty cool as it is. Second, the suspension difference on the raid is huge. Its not just the travel. The spring rates are much stiffer and shim-stacks are also much different. The compression and rebound damping range is much bigger compared to the stock bike and the ramp-up/bottom out resistence is simply uncomparable. The two suspension systems are in my experience completely uncomparable. Regarding the weight, let me put it this way: the tanks on the raid are so much lower that if you fill them up with the same 16L as the regular model, the bike feels considerably lighter. And i dont know what you mean with "filling up procedure"? When i fill up my bike i just open the lids one after another and just fill them up normally. Any weight difference between the left-right tanks the bike will compensate immediately, since it has a dedicated mini-fuel-pump to regulate the level on both sides. I feel like this video was very "theory based" and less experience based with the bike in question. Again, i own the raid and non of your concerns with this modell came true to me. Would love to hear you experiences with it if you ever get your hands on one. Cheers Pavlin❤
So what is the conclusion, should a guy buy a t7 world raid ???
@@hrithikraj6862 in my opinion, yes. Been riding it now for quite a while and cannot imagine a better bike for me. The more i ride it, the more i like it. Let me put it this way: if someone stole my bike today and i got the full money back from insurance, i would be buying the world raid again with closed eyes no questions asked. And everyone in my little motorcycle community that rode my bike love it immediately
Is it good for someone who is 5feet 8 inches tall ?? Let me know...mate ?
@@hrithikraj6862 should be just enough. Definetely try it out before buying
@@hrithikraj6862 should be fine. Definetely test ride one before buying
I m glad that Yamaha released an improved version of the Tenere, cause the fan boys will be upset and want to get it, so they will sell their early version to us who are broke at a decent price😁
😂😂😂
Possible scenario!
You sir are a philosopher, but you don't have to tell everybody my game.
Hahaha that was the first thing i thought about
Man, so true … would be t h e best solution for all rationalists 😂😂👍🏻
Absolutely agree with you The original version is still perfect machine worth the price Thanks for your opinion Regards
Any time! Thanks for watching!
Thank you Pavlin for the useful and interesting views you always have. Personally, I think that the World Raid edition makes sense if someone is almost two meters tall and weighs over a hundred kg and is still planning a travel two up on tenere😊
Mister, if I keep watching your videos at the pace I do lately I'll hit the floor 'cause my favorite drink don't come weak.
You always make a lot of sense, Pavlin - thank you for taking the time to produce these videoes for us. Regarding the original tyre, it probably was a production defect. As to the tube - natural rubber tubes tend to leak a little, especially light duty ones. On the upside, they normally just puncture with no further damage, whereas butyl inner tubes leak next to nothing when whole, but usually rupture if punctured. Could the stock tube be made from natural rubber?
Otherwise, I fully agree that spending lots on technology usually do not bring lots of new functionality. I feel there often is a lot of hype, and when you read test reports about the newest and greatest, you are lead to believe last year's model is totally obsolete. Then you notice someone on a 30 year old machine leaving everyone on new material behind. Because he or she invested in developing their skills instead of buying new bikes every year.
Good points!
*agree about bikes but NEVER TOO LATE TO CHANGE YOURSELF*
True!
Thanks again Pavlin. You're 100% correct. We love to obsess about our bikes but they really are secondary. It's the experiences and the people that count. I'm riding a very basic DR650 from NZ to UK as it's cheap and simple! Would love to catch up for a beer in the summer of 2025 when I'm in Bulgaria. Nazdrave! 😊
Interesting insight Pavlin, thanks for sharing.
If I may say, regarding the dual tank: comparing the T7 solution with KTM 950/990 it's not appropriate in my opinion. The KTM 950/990 engine is famous for being as hot as a vulcan, and the problem is a bit less visible with the 1190 series (I own this). I am not surprised if your friend had the tank deformed.
The advantage of having a double tank is that, in case of failure of one tank due to a falling, you should be able to proceed you journey with the other one. I have seen a couple of episodes during and off-road use. As you always say, it depends what you use your bike for.
I agree with you about changing the muffler position, that modification would have been a real plus.
Thanks again.
I understand the benefits of the side tanks, but as I said they come with certain risks.
I have the Acerbis 23 litre tank for my T7 and your video has put my mind at ease. The bike will still be slim enough and I will have the range I want when I go on tour with my mates on their larger Adventure bikes.
Thanks for sharing!
The road is the goal, not the end, nor the means (motorcycle)! ... Has always been my motto, too. So refreshing while travelling. Thank you Pavlin!
Absolutely!
In Canada, there are roads where you can travel 400 km without a fuel station. The 500 km range makes this model appealing.
There are but it doesn't mean you have to. I am sure that you can easily find a better route. If not a cheap petrol can will do the job.
@@motorcycleadventures Indeed, a small petrol can would do for most of it. But no, in these cases, the alternate route is an airplane. One road I've travelled has a 400 km stretch with nothing, a fuel station, then another 200 km to a small community with a fuel station. We have some truly remote places!
The road in question is between Matagami and Radisson. It's on the way to the Trans-Taiga, the most remote road (by land) on the continent. Some adventure riders do the Trans-Taiga. Might be something you'd enjoy someday!
Okay, then for this place, which I guess you are not going to ride everyday petrol can for 10 dollars would be just fine. The rest, 1,990$ you can save to travel in areas with more petrol stations.
@@motorcycleadventures Yep, no argument there! The same thing can be said about buying a fancy caravan versus staying in hotels.
True
I recently bought a world raid. I fully agree with Pavlin in this video, a lot of it is a bit additional stuff and still a shame of the exhaust. I bought the world raid actually just for the additional bigger tank ( i really love the miles i can make now) and also another simple reason: got a good deal on it. And since it is my first new motorcycle i decided to spend a bit more extra money on the world raid with a bit beter suspension. I do have to say that the wider tank compared to my testride with the orginal tenere did make it feel more bulky. But i got used to it quite quickly.
I love the new bike. Will I ever need the extra 7 litres? Probably not, But the peace of mind I will have knowing I have zero chance of running out of fuel even if I get lost or miss a fuel stop will allow me to enjoy my trip better, which is what matters most! Cheers!
Even with 30l you can run out of fuel. Depend of how you plan your trips.
I think comparing KTM engineering to Yamaha engineering is little short sighted. KTM, like every other European manufacturer, are very short sighted when designing. They don't care if it'll work two years down the line because they plan on selling you a new bike by then. Yamaha is much more thoughtful in their approach and I'm sure they would have known of the common issues associated with the dual tank KTMs.
I think the same but only the future will show us what will be.
Well...I have to agree with this statement.
@@gbner9991 Are you really going to sit there and say KTMs are more reliable than Yamahas? The oversight on the exhaust hanger is baffling but the dual tanks is supposed to fix the high COG because they sit lower. They also addressed the suspension being too soft for some riders.
BigSingle654, I agreed with the first statement but to talk about reliability after 30,000km is just not serious. KTM is very well known for its reliability issues and I don't think that this will change any time soon. I hope that you will never learn it the hard way.
@@gbner9991 LOL. Yamahas are designed to run hundreds of thousands of km, not amateur hour mileage like 30k
Great video Pavlin ! I'm totaly agree with you, on additional tips, the new World raid is higher than the "classic" and it should be tricky at low speed on to control the bike in case of trouble if you are less than 1m80
Thank you for a great summary of the model. Always good to hear what you have to say, you being a rider who really uses their bike in the way it was intended.
Glad it was helpful!
7 litres are 5kg more… if you put 16 litres in the petrol tank its only 9kg more than the standard version with more suspension travel, wind protection and a few things. 1 cm more higher from the ground.. i thinks this is also important. Smart move, in my opinion, this is so much better in every situation except going to do “enduro” on sunday. Better motorcycle for traveling, offroad adventures, and everything the customer should expect from an adventure motorcycle
Fair enough!
The Raid is £600 more than the rally here in the UK. Ok its still not the unicorn that we all want but seems better value to me than the Rally. Higher screen, wider pegs, better suspenders. New TFT. 23 L tank that you dont have to fill up every refill if you want to keep the weight and COG down. Some built in crash protection.
For many will be the preferred version.
I'm glad I stayed until the end of the video! Will definitely keep in mind for the first tire change of my T7. Thanks Pavlin, keep up the good work and traveling the world!
Happy to help!
Nice video! I have the tenere 700 rally, 1 months now... i love it, 1.500km done! i think the same, nice new tenere, but i prefer mine! congrats from Madeira Island, Portugal.
Thanks, man! Enjoy your Tenere!
Every video is epic- the brute honesty always makes u stand apart bud! Awesome vlog!
I appreciate that!
I don' t like big petrol tanks and i don't need them.
My Transalp 700 has 17.5 l petrol tank and i have traveled all over the Balkans (including Bulgaria). Enen to the 2 pass of Romania (Transalpina and Transfagarasan) i didn't have any problem with the range.
Your videos are very interesting, Pavlin.
Thanks, man!
Salut Pavlin,
Thanks for the wobbling tip.
Today I changed original front tyre and tube with Continental TKC 70 tyre and Michelin 1.1mm tube. Before mounting new tyre I checked the rim balance, fortunately rim balance is perfect. Now can I confirm everything is perfect (no wobbling), I tested till 120km/h.
Have a nice day,
Costi
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the word on the tires. It's too easy to assume that a tire is perfect because it's brand new or that it balances OK.
Right on!
I agree, but my top of the list would be a 3’d party low tank and long seat for the regular T7 😎
Do whatever is good for you.
9:20 to about 9:30 Yes Pavlin!!! Thank you for this!! So many get caught up in the "latest greatest". I can tell you 100% when I do my travels it's the journey and not the bike I remember.
Any time!
Finally. Someone who expressed the same thoughts i have. From my 1190 R i was looking to another bike. A bike that does not has some bad things the 1190 R has. And this is weight. I still need some power and i also want a bit comfort. So maybe a little bit less weight. But atleast a bike then with a bit lower center gravity. When the t7 came out i thought ok ? Lets see where this is going.
But soon i became aware that it is topheavy. For me it is. When i heard from this world raid with double tanks that were placed lower i became happy. For a short time. I would be more happier if there was less gasoline but that the center gravity was a big bit lower. What Yamaha has done is purely for marketing purposes. And creating a large amount of new buyers.
And now i am a bit sad actually cause Yamaha was so on the right path. I am getting older and picking the bike up after a crash is becoming more and more difficult. Expeccially when your own energy is degrading and when it is hot weather. And every time that you need to unload its luggage to loose weight that is on the top. This will drain me. All in all the concept is ok but in reality there is for me notting to gain. And this reality goes up for more people who wants to go away from the tarmac.
I hope that Honda will do a 450 cc double cillinder adventure bike and keeping the weight below 160 kg. And with a low as possible center gravity. Even a 450 single cillinder like the crf 300 would be great. And then with the same interval as their 300 cc counterpart. But with a bit better suspension. I would buy such a bike immediatly. It is not the crashing that i am afraid of. Cause this will happen if you want it or not. But those heavy bikes will take all your energy. They burn you out offroad.
Until now the 890 r is still the better choice for low gravity. But the maintanance interval is not so ok. And it has not the reliability for a world trip bike so to speak. So my hope is that there will be a lighter bike soon.
It is what it is!
so happy to hear youtalking about you solved the wobbeling.
i one had mine perfectly balanced, but not seated well within the rim. don´t know better how to describe it.
anyhow, it´s such a relief to see and hear people finding the solution to having this calm ride again. :-)
of course the rest of your video is of usual quality and i share your opinion also,
"just" use your bike, don´t try to improve it as if it was a upgrade game, remember why you started:
it´s all about the driving.
but , that said, i _also_ totally understand how people can have this GAS (gear aquisition syndrome) , because i know it from the time i myself tried to get better at being a rock guitar man in a band.
and quess what, it´s more than 80% percent in the fingers, as they say so nice and max 20% in the guitar itself.
if like you play a song or two. to the listeners.
but i must admit, if you play gigs after gigs and spend most of your awake-time on stage, you will notice less fatique on the expensive stuff, for sure.
and even after a song. but here comes the same question that i asked myself, as the guitars i dreamed of tended to cost more and more:
what will i use it for and are thousands of dollars worth the expense considering how much i play in the end and how much i will only look at it .
so in the end neither do i play that many gigs to spend fortune on more and more guitars, nor do i professionally race to do the upgrade battle :-D
this helps me a lot to focus on the right things (for me!) .
it seems we all sometimes have tendencies to blame the swim suit first, if we can´t swim :-)
Greetingz and .... speed safe :-)
Mariusz
Thanks for taking the time, Mariusz!
I like the idea of the larger tank. I hate carrying a spare fuel can, and I've been in a few places in the world where a long range really counts (as in parts of South America like Chile, where the gas stations are far apart, and Bolivia, where you can turn up in a town and every single petrol station is out of gas!) The increased weight is a wet weight, so you'd have to account for that. If you don't like the weight, and normally run with 16L, you could fill the tank only part way, and the center of gravity will be lowered. I also like the increased wind protection from the larger windscreen and side parts. So... On the whole, I'm looking forward to the new Tenere.
As I said in the video, they will sell it very well.
@@motorcycleadventures...up until the new Transalp and V-Strom 800 appeared, you can now buy an ex-demo Tenere WR with its first service done for under £10000, or £10.800 new! Plenty for sale, Yamaha overpriced them to start with!
Thanks for your thoughts and insight Pavlin! If I bought a new Tenere I would probably go for the World Raid, if I already had the slim one I would have spent the money on the existing bike instead. ...or as you say, focus on adventures with the money to spend 😁👌
Right on!
Pavlin, thanks for the review, excellent review.
At expensive helmets usually the value reflects the high price.
When it comes to a functional helmet, then it is clear that the cheap price is a main thing. It is also more comfortable to walk around with a cheap helmet in terms of scratches and theft. Noise can be overcome with earplugs, but the most important thing for me is that the helmet visor seal out the wind, otherwise the wind dries out the eyes and it becomes very unpleasant. On the other hand, most of the cheap helmets have no difficulty providing a reasonable wind seal at a speed of 100 km/h.
I agree!
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts.
Just a little note: it is never too late to change yourself ;) 🙏
Absolutely!
Fully agree with you in all terms.
Try to increase preload at rear shock to minimize front webbing.
Crongratulations for your channel.
Ok, thanks!
I had the same thing on the front end. I brought it back to the shop where I bought it to let them check out what was going on in the front.
Turned out the front tire was not seated properly. They re-mounted the tire and now it rides perfect!
Good for you!
You make a lot of very good points Pavlin! At first I was thinking "Well, he said THIS about the petrol tanks earlier, lets see what he says now" and you came out with very compelling points as to why you still feel the same way! Gotta admit, what you said makes a lot of sense.
Thanks for taking the time, man!
I really like your comments, we share the same way of thinking. More is sometime just more, not better. We are not Travis Pastrana or Pol Tarres, however we wanted to be. So comments for average Joe is what I like.
Glad to help!
Great video Pavlin. Your insight , knowledge and advice is much appreciated
Glad it was helpful!
Ha! I wondered about that wobble, she’s due her 1st major service and that was on the list. Thank you. Love my bike BTW
Hey Pavlin, greetings from Texas, USA! We don’t get this new Tenere RR here until next year and, that’s ok with me as I’m not interested. I paid $10,250 out the door for my 2021 Tenere and the list price for this new Tenere RR here is $16,350! I find my 2021 Tenere is becoming a bigger value for my cost every time I look at other Bikes! Common Sense is something You understand and That is something that isn’t common in the world today. Great Video as usual my friend, Ride On.
Thanks, man!
I got the world raid. She's perfect! She's sooo gooood man!!! Much better then standard!!
Thanks for sharing!
I have the same front wheel wobble and i think an early tyre change is now on the cards. Thanks for sharing, Paul (UK)
Very welcome, Paul!
owning both models the world raid is a fantastic upgrade, if i could onlykeep one its the raid all the way ,the suspension alone totaly makes it worth it , the extra fuel i hardly feel, i one hundred percent recomend the raid over standerd ,but the standerd bike is still a awsome bike .
Thanks for sharing!
New tenere 700 is better than previous model. Its not skinny any more, more muscular shape with larger dual gas tank fits well. I like it.
If you say so...
Dear Pavlin..... Could'nt agree more. Enjoy and stay safe
Thanks, man!
Lots great improvements if they add cruise control it would be sweet and a quick shifter
and hill control, traction control... and it will never ends. At the end we will finish with a bike that will ride alone and the rider will be pointless...
If you want no nonsense honest T7 and adventure bikes' opinions, then listen to Pav! I got all hyped-up about the new T7, especially about the large fuel tank, until Pav gave us the pros and cons about what could go wrong in the future. A few of my questions are: why did Yamaha come up with this solution, and has it been put through endurance testing long enough to come to production so soon? Or was this a business deal to make more money as many riders were modifying their fuel tank? Pav, you've owned and tested two models and can certainly speak from experience. Thanks for your well-rounded adventure-motorcycling honest opinions, which I always appreciate!
Thanks for taking the time, Pedro! As I said in the video only the future will show us do they have done it right.
thank you for explaining the differences in these models. now I understand everything
Happy to help!
Based only on looks I’d still go for the original model
Good decision.
I will be order new one very soon , and you help me make decision. Thank you for your thoughts. Standard T7will be more then enough for me.
And for 95% of the riders...
I really like your no-nonsense approach to bikes, Pavlin. The new Raid ist significantly more expensive. I'd rather save the money and go travelling.
Cheers from Nürnberg/Germany, Günter
Traveling would be much better investment!
@@motorcycleadventures Adventure beats gadgets.
You can't see what the bike looks like when you are riding so once again Pavlin is correct. It's destination and the ride that matters!!
Always! I hope that many will listen!
I have a similar saying about the cars. All what matters is an instrument cluster, as that's the only thing you see when driving :) The same applies to bikes.
a biker of 55yrs from Yamaha RD1 360cc Enduro thru to CB1300X4,..I have had Triumphs, BSA Rocket 3, Moto Guzzi Eldorado, Honda, Yamahas and a Suzi somewhere..bikes of today are to complicated..to many electrics, fuel injection, sensors, EDU, you name it..once upon a time if the bike broke down it was either petrol, spark or battery, and a teenager could fix it on the side of the road,,Now you have to get a tow truck to take you home, and a truck load of tools and testing equipment. Even my CB500x, you need to take the bike almost apart just to change the spark plugs,,,
Im a motorcycle racer, we deal a lot with suspension issues. If you are getting a wobble with a certain tire and not another its more likely due to the tires size being too tall and the geometry of the bike is not properly adjusted. Most likely the forks height through the triples, are not set for the bike. Every tire brand all differ in the actual size. So I would suggest you get a tire technical spec sheet and see the over all tires height and compare it with the new conti tire. Lets say there is a 6mm difference in the height of the tires, what you do is split it in half and adjust the forks up or down by 3mm to compensate for the difference in height. So if you run a taller tire, you lower the front end of the bike 3mm. Its very simple to make small fork adjustments.
When the people are professionals in something, they usually miss some obvious things. I told you already, the tire was bend or damaged on one spot. There is nothing with the high of the rubber or the forks. If this was only me I might agree, but hundreds of people reported the same problem.
@@motorcycleadventures I am not a pro by any means! Just a racer and we deal with these issue, especiialy on new setups. I did not miss what you said. I dont think your tire warping was from the tire factory. I think the tire deforming is maybe due to vibration for awhile and the tire adapted and deformed, or like you said the chinese inner tube. I have read issues with the pirelli str vibrating the front ends of the teneres 700's it is a common issue. But I wouldnt blame the tire, if the forks are not set for them. A too tall of a front tire will give you wobbles or tank slappers, thats why I was curious to see if the new tire you replaced with was taller or smaller. A too small of a tire will give you a quicker steering feel.
I saw what the tire makes on the balance machine and this have nothing to do with the suspension setup. I hope that you will understand now.
@@motorcycleadventures Your dismissive response to @ibidu1 is extremely rude ! His point about geometry was perfectly valid. Fact that you've seen tyre rubber wobbling on a machine it doesn't mean it was your problem. You've changed tyre brand and model so you'll never know. I wonder why this wasn't resolved by warranty ?
Great video with valuable insights and information. In terms of weight the World Rally/Raid goes up to the AT levels which makes it a non favourable option. A tough choice for the new rider IMHO.
Thanks for sharing!
I didn’t have any problems mounting the tanks on my 950 adventure. I think they scrapped it because the cost and weight.
Thanks for sharing!
@@motorcycleadventures you’re welcome my friend.
Good video, thanks for your educated point of view.
I fully share the idea that a bike is just a tool. I may add that almost any bike may do, if one is willing. There are many around the world travellers using my father's old Vespa. I'm currently having a blast around Italy on Kawa J300 scooter with my wife along. Just enjoy the scenery.
I had a KTM 950 back in 2004, used it for >50,000 kms across Greece and Turkey and never had any issue. The water overflows from the compensation tank if filled above the mark line, my mistake. Otherwise a near perfect bike with AMAZING suspension, even to date.
While I understand your comments on the new World Raid model, there is a fundamental point missing. Real time experience with it. Your opinion is valuable, but it's just based on a "spec sheet" without actually using the bike. Let's just say the jury is still out until you tried the new model and confirm your ideas.
Finally, your comparison/pov on the suspension is based exclusively on the travel. While important it misses a more important element. Quality! Suspension performance have many factors, and while travel excursion is one of them, it misses many others. And for that, one needs to test it and see if it fits.
Again, thanks for your insights.
I’m not surprised that KTM struggled with long term durability of their split fuel tanks, but I would be surprised if Yamaha doesn’t get it right. IMO
Great video!! Thanks for making it.
We shall see!
Sound points. True. But (!), not sure I'd equate Yamaha with KTM engineering! The fact that there were problems with the 950/990's tanks does not mean Yamaha will have made the same errors. I owned both 950S and 990R (both had problems); I've owned 3 KTM enduros (all had problems). I've owned 6 Yamahas (MX and road), none have had problems. I think the Raid looks to be moving in a positive direction and will provide good, cost effective competition for Ducati. But I agree, not much wrong with the standard bike.
Yes, I hope the same but only the time will show us do they have done it right.
Excelent video, always opinion based on real life experience... great job Pavlin! 👍🏼👍🏼
The point about tyres is very good. Manufacturers use special low quality (cheaper) versions of top tyre brands for their new bikes. This is why bikes perform better after you change the tyres. Read the full code name on the tyre wall, the difference will be one letter. It often means that the tyre is made is an outsourced factory in a third world country.
Exactly!
Kia ora from New Zealand.....Great informative video Pavlin, after seeing your other review on Tenere 700 mods I have decided to keep to buying the current T7 model and not wait for the World Raid. Keep up the great work P! :-) I have the Yamaha WR250r 2020 and only mods I made are the Bash Plate, Handguard and Tail tidy to attach a Rotomax fuel canister, now riding for 2 years I am so use to the stock setup, suspension, power etc I am very happy, like you state "95%" of time is what we should always be working off when considering expensive mod upgrades.
Thanks for taking the time!
Cool review thank you
Two filler cap’s real smart one for 95 octane and one for 98 octane ❓to be earnest the OEM skip plate looks rather ugly and the muffler looks awkward hanging out in the air looking like they forgot it and mounted it in the last moment before release i think your black version are beautiful. so forgett about it and ride safe 👍
Thanks for taking the time!
Thanks for your honest opinion of the new Rally Raid Tenere 700 Pavlin ! - Yamaha are definitely a high end, high quality build manufacturer but there are two possibilities why the Rally Raid version of the Tenere 700 is the way it is.. The fact that they have not addressed some of the main criticisms of standard Tenere 700 owners (top heaviness, rear footpeg mounts, soft springing etc.. etc..) might show that, like many other manufacturers, they're not really listening to their customers.. Of course on the other hand it might mean that they ARE listening but don't want to bring out a model that is such a big improvement on the standard Tenere 700 that it damages the sales of the standard model ?...
They also need to keep the production price as low as possible and this limit a lot of options, or changes that we would like to see.
Unbiased, honest review. Thank you.
Absolutely agree. Tenere 700 is fine.
Good!
Suzuki had DR750 had twin tanks back in 1988. I like both versions of the Tenere but would go for the twin tanks as the bike looks better and the extra range is always a good thing.
Good!
agree with muffler position, i've changed it with sp-01 Hp Cprse high. But should be nice to have it directly from Yamaha.
Maybe next time...
Great review as always, congratulations on the video and the effort to make us empathize. Bravo Pavlin
Glad you enjoyed it!
I would get the old version and spend a bit on the areas I thought would benefit me the most, effectively customizing it for my own use
Good!
Good video like always! Enjoy the ride 👍🏻
Thanks! Will do!
Great video as always Pavlov!
I am in the market of coming back to riding a motorcycle and this time I am interested in try riding a little bit offroad/gravel roads. So the Tenere seems to be an affordable and fun option. Yamaha had their tour visiting our local dealer with the option to try out most of Yamahas line up. I frist tried the Tenere Explore and then the World Rally (Raid with an Acrapovic exhaust). I didn't think the difference would be that big, but I have to say it really was! The WR was so much more confident and stable on the road. If I already had the Tenere, would I upgrade? No!
Thanks for sharing!
I prefer the standard version, 2500 eur more and 20kg more, I don't need any of the new features. I changed the stock Pirelli tires with 7000km, no issues with wobble in front tire.
Thanks for taking the time and sharing your experience!
There is a recall on some tkc 80 for cracking between the knobs from January 19 to 4/22 with a code from the factory it's made in but cannot remember it
Great review on New yamaha world raid pavlin.. Being more heavy than the previous model why didn't they put the 900 triple engine in this bike?
Is it true the 900 tenre is in the works?
No idea!
Good thoughts and content, to add some perspective. I still am unable to buy a T700 here and there is already a second special model arriving.
Thanks for taking the time, John!
Thanks again for your insights and experience Pavin. Was liking the look of the Raid but agree that it's wise to wait a bit when new models are released. Hope it all works out though because that extra range would be great. I carry spare fuel quite often and to have that capacity built in would be much easier.
Thanks for taking the time!
@@motorcycleadventures thanks also for doing what you do. I don't agree with everything you say, of course we have different experiences, but you are true to yourself and your views which allows viewers like me something sound to work with and from: a touchstone. Not many people have the balls to do this on social media so thanks very much and respect.
Any time!
You have to wonder how Itchy Boots is able to travel daily long distances through South America and southern Africa on bikes like the Royal Enfield and Honda's 250L with far less fuel capacity than even the standard T7.
Great video. But I think that more petrol is better than less in a trip with uncertain offer of petrol bases, like Argentina, where it´s common.
You can always take a cheap petrol can for 10$.
Had the same tire wobbling - around 70/80 km/h after releasing throttle. Increasing the tire pressure helped - its ok on tarmac now ;)
Tried everything.
well, I have some things to do but I'm still going to watch while I take longer finish my coffee :)
Probably the best general philosophical and practical review of a modern cross bike that you’ll ever see.
Thanks, man!
Hi Pavel, the rubber from the tubes ist the reason wy it loose air. The chinys brands produce not only from "Kautschuk". Heidenau do these, this are better. You can repair them when you need on the road.
Left hand greatings. Olli
Thanks for the info!
GREAT PRESENTATION AS ALWAYS - BIG THANKS
Thank you for your comments on the new Raid my biggest concern is the extra weight. Esier ti just carry extra 5 litre of petrol ? If that is really necessary
Absolutely!
Thanks for the video Pavlin! Drive safe
My pleasure!
Great bike, but the 220kg with 74hp bothers me a bit. Double tanks are great! One has to look at the fuel lining to see if that is a potential lifesaver. On my DR750Big(29Ltank and 200kg full) I broke one fuel line and could continue the ride by simply cutting it, plugging it, and only using the other half. It needs to be accessible tho, which is easy with that thumper. Now, without crash bars, there was a possibility of losing a tank if you crashed or at least throwing it out of whack. Not a big deal because it was so simple to fix, but scary. I hope Yamaha made a solid design here.
The time will show us!
Your reviews are well thought out and presented in a friendly, yet professional manner. I’m so ready to buy the Yamaha Tenere 700, but nobody has one available in Southern California. I’ll keep searching. Any ideal how this bike would stack up against the new Ducati Desert x?
In my opinion to choose Ducati over Yamaha you have to be a radical fan of the brand Ducati.
So true what you say we have to wait and hope for the next year Version ....
Or after few years...
You said the T7 weight increased by 16kg (35.27lbs.). That’s a good amount of weight increase for off road riding. I like some of the upgrades but at what cost? Then you add the usual modifications that we do to protect our bikes and that number goes higher. I thought the purpose of the mid-weight adventure bikes was to lighten them up.
Yes, it would be 220kg before the necessary weight like center stand, engine and crash guards, hand guards, and a few more, about 10kg. So it would be 230 before the luggage.
Jesus that's heavy! My 690 smcr weighs 80kg less than that!
It has a different purpose.
The smcr is the same weight as the enduro R, and that has a very similar purpose as the Tenere, 220kg is a ridiculous weight for a 700cc "middle weight" bike. I've come across one of these stuck in a lane in Wales, it was like manoeuvring a beached wale. I'll have a test ride though as I'm often wrong about these things!
Aah! The cold fresh draft of truth about marketing. Good point about the tire.
Good!
Safari tanks in Australia now make a 25 lt aftermarket tank for the STD T7, My mate has a KTM 990 and suffers from fuel boiling issues...anyway, the sad thing about the T7 is the time it took between concept and release to the public, a lot of potential buyers were sick of waiting and went for other bike brands....unfortunately I did and bought a Triumph 800 XCA, because the T7 would have been too tall for me as well.
Good luck with the Triumph!
Also, this video is excellent. I've learned alot from your work. Thank you
Awesome, thank you!
To me those dual gas tanks just look ridiculous. Absolutely destroys the sleek beauty of the bike. I agree with you that if you feel you need more gas just carry an extra gallon! (I just added the Alt-Rider rear luggage rack which is great for this). All the other features they added are more like high-end farkles and not necessary at all. And damn that new bike is expensive! Might as well get a Norden 901 for that money, assuming it is reliable.
I got lucky my oem tires were incredibly super smooth right from the dealer. For the way I ride those Scorpion tires have been nice.
After owning my T7 for a year and a half I find 2 significant faults with the bike: 1. Even as just a moderate rider I find that exhaust hanger as a problem waiting to bite me in the a*& and 2. lack of cruise control. I'm ignoring the exhaust hanger and hoping for the best (just installed R&G side racks which offer some protection) and for cruise control I added a Kaoko throttle lock. I live along the Alaska Highway and ride big distances and the size of the gas tank has never been an issue. And I can tell you that one of the secrets of this bike is that if you ride it at 80 km/h it will go over 500 km!
Thanks for sharing!
Would you buy it again? Yukon is a place I'd like to ride such a bike.
@@MarkRose1337 I absolutely love my T7! I definitely would buy it again. At this time I see nothing else in the market that I would rather have. I think it was made for me specifically: I'm 6'2" and between 190-200 lbs with moderate off-road skills. I came from a KLR 650, so to me this is like going from a Pinto to a Mercedes. And I just love the way it looks! I only add extras that add and not detract from its look! I guess I am superficial. Ya, the Yukon is a pretty fun place to ride. Lots of remote roads into the DEEP wilderness. I have barely touched most of it. Can't wait for summer!
You always have “ common sense” views in your videos. Thank you for keeping it real!
I appreciate that!
just found your Channel
and I compleatly agree with everything you have said !!
Thanks, man!
That thumbnail photo of his contemplation is hilarious
has anyone ever done that in the back of beyond.
Down to earth as ever Pavlin,thanks once again :0)
My pleasure, John!
Great and candid discussion on the bike especially from someone who has real experience. I'll be getting a street bike first (I'm in New York City) but my first adventure bike since my modded DR650 will be the Yama Tenere 700 World Raid. I love the simplicity and more importantly, the cost! If Suzuki had an adventure model of the DR650, this Yamaha would be very similar to it. I loved riding my DR650 and this is exactly the type of bike I wanted my DR650 to be. Well, the Ducati is gorgeous but at 2x the price..... :-D
Fair enough!
I run a Yamaha tank bag so I’m not sure how that would work. I like the front only ABS option. I’m thinking the screen and pegs might be interchangeable in which case I may swap those over to mine.
Fair enough!
NewcT700. About 12000? Great bike.
Old T700 second hand. 8000? 5 litre fuel can. 12 dollars?
About 4000 to travel.and I can travel a long way on 4000. And new Tenere is now well proven.
Great bike Yamaha but I'll take the travel, please.
To each their own.
Happy travels 👍
Great calculation - I am with you!