A much better travel bike... | Tenere 700 World Raid
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The Tenere 700 World Raid has landed. Hyped, mildly confusing and more expensive. It's an improvement but there is some compromise. That said, if I paid my money on this one, I probably wouldn't bother with the upgrades in quite the same way.
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00:00 - Start
01:07 - Specs
03:18 - Off Road Review
06:41 - Suspension
11:54 - TFT Display
13:08 - ABS
14:18 - On Road Review
16:14 - Seat Height
16:51 - Conclusion - Авто та транспорт
Top notch review as always! Thank you for covering all the details we care about.
No problem. Trying hard !
You both are hands down the two best reviewers out there. Always an instant like 🙂
Wowww 👍👌
I so appreciate that you put a lot of riding video in. Not just specs or standing around. Thank you!
Thank you so much for this great first impressions of the bike. Really nice of you to talk so much about all the good and bads. Can’t wait to get mine. Cheers from Norway 🇳🇴
I hope you enjoy it!
Your choice of words to describe the physical characteristics of a machine and the sum of the parts always sets you apart from other reviewers. Top-notch review.
Great review as always! My local Yamaha dealer hasn’t been able to get a T7 yet so there’s not a lot of hopes in seeing one of these anytime soon. Thanks for a great channel from the USA!
Great review Llewellyn, concise and to the point👍
I'm waiting for the World Raid model of the T7 to come to the US. Until then, I'll make sure with my existing bikes. Thanks for the encouraging news.
Very Well explained....In depth review...loved Watching.
Great review, awesome video, as always! Thanks for sharing!! 👍👍
Great review Brake Magazine, think I'll hang onto my current T7 after your feedback.
"Hard to tell without both bikes back to back, but significantly better"
Really informative, clear and informative review. Thanks for the great vid 👍
Glad it was helpful!
Utterly superb review. Nice work mate.
Thanks kind Sir!
Great review and loving the new format keep it up!
Thanks! Will do!
First off - The best Tenere 700 World Raid review on UA-cam as of now.
Second - Your best production so far. I enjoyed every second. Nice work!
Thanks very much Fabros!
Brilliant review! 👌🏻
Thanks a ton!
Great review!
Thanks!
Brilliant review as usual!
Thanks!
Nice to see a vid from you again and a great review too ! Funny to see the bikes seem to all have Dutch license plates ...
They do. I think Yamaha Europe is based in Holland.
As soon as you said 220 kilos my face went ☹.
in my opinion getting the opportunity to use all of the engine and banging trough some gears wile tackling a back road at an spirited pace is a benefit rather than a defect, you get to enjoy the engine instead of having a ridiculously powerful engine that you rarely ever get to rev out on a mountain road without going insanely fast.
No doubt. I like that but a lot of people want more power.
@@BrakeMagazine If someone needs more power, the Yamaha T 700 is not the bike for them. Technic is the key for success. I'm a Trial rider. The Standard T 700 is perfect for my needs. A good mix for Road and Offroad.
Another great review Lel. Good information. I would buy one for the looks alone though! 😁
Thanks! Very interesting. I think I prefer the standard one y'know.
Great work! Thanks!
Glad you liked it!
very good review
Great review man, you give a comprehensive narration of the bikes attributes. Given the choice, what tires would you put on the bike? Thanks from a big fan from 🇨🇦👍
Anything with more side bite really. I'm not super fussy on tyres.
I like Karoo 3's, Anakee Wilds, AX41 Adventures. Something like that that's 50|50 would be sweet.
Thanks for the kind words about the review too btw.
Excellent review as always. Maybe a bit tall for my 5’8(and a bit)” frame but I had a GSA which was manageable. A test ride (or sit on one in the shop) will tell me the truth.
Take it for a ride for sure, and maybe watch our shorter rider tips :)
ARiemann says it all, his skill is off the charts tho!
As an avid off roader and xt660z owner I hated the fact they put a little tank on the new bike. This would honestly make me reconsider
Great review. How is the seat comfort on long road rides? So many bikes seam to fail in this area. Like the famous DR650 20 years of the same seat plank literally everyone complaints about for that 20 years. Cheers from 🇦🇺 Australia
Good review!!
The reason I did a de-cat and reflashed the ECU on my T7 was to loft the front easier in third gear. It sounds like the Raid struggles even more.
I was considering the Raid but I think I will keep the standard.
The standard lacks fuel range. Last year I did the TAT (plus a bit more) and I had to get 200 miles out of a tank on a stretch in eastern Oregon.
I dropped the speed to 45 mph and averaged 70 mpg to be able to stretch it.
Never heard of acerbis tank for standard t7?
Such a beautiful bike.
Very nice review the bike as a whole looks very good.That said I can see that thumb wheel causing a few future issues with its lack of robustness compared to other makes with similar scroll wheels be it breaking or getting moisture ingress.
Absolutely. I really like the BMW system, but you can also see that it'd be a ton more expensive to make. The Yam one looks pretty cheep and is a pain in the ass to use.
Brilliant and best review. You must love these corporate days, being able to completely outride the other Journo’s! 😂
There are some journos who rip. 🤣
I honestly would trade my T7 (plus some cash, of course) for one of these. Great video!
Great review, thanks! Did you notice the new tank(s) getting in your way moving forth/aft?
Not when stood up but when sat down yes.
It is worth noting I typically ride stood up 90% of the time off road.
@@BrakeMagazine Thanks! Some reviewers complained that knees get pushed outward too much. If true it defies the point of the new seat cause it's supposed to let you sit closer to the handlebars (if need be).
Great test! What ( clicks ) extension and compression settings do you recommend for off road with the World Raid OEM suspensions?
Like others have pointed out, I don’t think it’s a 4000$ usd value increase compared to the standard t7…but a standard t7, spend 800$ on suspension and put a rotopax on the back…then spend the rest on adventures! It’s cool Yamaha are developing the T7, it’s just not quite exactly what people were wanting 🤷♂️
It's not that much of a hike here in Europe but I kinda agree. I suspect all of the bikes are gonna get a price hike though, because, y'know war etc.
Totally agree. I do like how they’ve lowered the tank height, not sure how many people want the extra range and no one wants the weight.
That's what i was thinking. In Romania the difference is 3000 euro. The suspension is great...but an update on the standard one would not cost this much
it'll be interesting to see if this ever makes it to the states given the standard T7's availability over here
i think Yamaha said that its gonna be an Europe/Asia only thing for now, at the very least its gonna take a couple of years to make it to our side of the pond.
problem is that the us supply is made in Japan and shipped to the USA while the euro models are made in France I think (for the normal tenere 700 so I assume it would be the same for the world raid
At least in my case, it would be sadly ironic if Yamaha decided to keep the World Raid in Europe because of slow sales in the US. Because the only reason I wouldn't buy a standard T7 is it's small fuel tank. I wonder how many guys here in the US are the same.
What I have found in Canada (t7"s are hard to get) is if I put a deposit down and waited the 6-8 months I'm pretty much gauranteed to get it. Yamaha didn't want dealers ordering the bikes until they were accounted for. That's what I was told. So if you want a bike go chat with a dealer I'd say. My deposit was in Nov, hopefully see my 2023 in spring. Gives me time to save the $$$$. :)
@@craigfinnegan8534
My feelings exactly, World Raid model is the one.
If Yamaha was serious when they stated the WR is only for Euro/Asia markets, I have one response to that.........
Sorry Yamaha, my $s are only for KTM and Honda.
Am I the only one who thinks it didn't really need the TFT display? I mean it's nice but I feel like the type of people who are interested in the T7 are the kind of people who don't really care about stuff like that. They're more interested in the purely practical stuff, like that bigger fuel tank and the upgraded suspension.
I think it didn't need it.
Hope that this is the next step in order to create another Super Tenere model
Would be good. Might be a way off though
Thats my dream bike
i just sat on one two days ago. quite a machine. but i think as a lighter travelversion of my 1200 gsa i have to get the raid version.
hmmm, I dont like these selection screens on the displays. The reason I bought by '22 t7 is BECAUSE of the simplicity. I work in IT, so my opinion does not come from being incompetent with technology but quite the opposite; I see how much technology breaks and the last thing I want to do on my weekend is troubleshoot software issues on my bike 🙄
Big tank awesome!
Look at the Aprilla Toureg!! It's a beauty.
Agreed
Good night~ Thank you!n ice ~man-;))
I hope this comes to the US.
Great info and content, as usual. Can you share the name of that hotel?!
It's Parador de Lorca. Parador's are a chain of Hotels in Spain that are ALWAYS like this. Built in castles, monastries and so on. They're a little pricy but always very cool. This one is based in a 9th Century castle.
I'm surprised Yamaha didn't address the issues of that awful exhaust hanger, detachable rear sub frame and a flat surface under the rear seat for people who prefer to ride solo. It's surely a golden opportunity lost......until the next version.
I was hoping for a power hike with a price hike. Grade A review!
I don't think it'll ever really get one but an exhaust makes a massive difference to the T7.
@@BrakeMagazine yea true, they sound great so that kinda makes up for it.
@@BrakeMagazine just an end can? Or full system and remap?
@@mbal4052 Full system & Remap
Great review, l have the old xt660z, tried a mates T7 which was a big improvement over mine but been waiting for the next generation, this looks to tick a few more boxes so between the KTM 890 & and this T7 l think.
I live in Southern Spain and love the look of where you shot this, l see you say it's between lorca & Granada, can you be a bit more specific to help pin point the area, cheers and keep up the good work
I can't sorry this was organised by Yamaha and I didn't track it sorry. 😩
@@BrakeMagazine no problem, l'll find it 👍
@@markfisher804 Have you find it? Would love to ride in this place
Cool bike
Sure is.
Hopefully different color options available in the future.
Hopefully. I'm not stoked on it.
@@BrakeMagazine Same, all black, desert tan or grey color scheme would be cool.
Are you one of the ones in the group then that Adam Rieman and Townley were tying stay away from then? 😂 It looks great, better than the T700 but for me they missed a trick not updating the power a little (given the extra weight and competition), and not updating the electronic package significantly. Especially given its ADV purpose i.e. touring, covering distance over a variety of roads and terrains, a cruise control option would have be useful for hauls on the slab.
I'm not 😂 I'd like to think they'd be alright with the way I ride but I might be wrong 😅 I was in the group before them.
Nice review of the World Raid... I really wish they had the option of a Quick shifter, that is a deal breaker for me and also i would like cruise control but that is not as important.. Guess the Aprilia 660 Tuareg would suit me better.... Or i just keep my 1250GS. :)
KTM 890 has an amazing one. Triumph Tiger 900 also has both of those.
I know this is a bit old now but I saw that Yamaha are releasing a quick shifter for T7 but there is also after market options like Healtech and plenty of people have fitted those (just search in YT).
How would you compare the T7 you've built and the stock suspension on the new WR?
I would kinda put the World Raid at a similar level to the KTECH in how it feels. Good, enjoyable and great for general ADV.
I just took delivery of my Raid on Saturday, traded my 2020 T7 in which I loved, straight off the Raid is a much better bike on the road, suspension much better, the fuel tank is a vast improvement, you hardly notice it is there, centre of gravity is lower and the bike no longer feels top heavy. People talk about the extra weight but it doesn't feel any different, and the front/rear balance is very good, (change the end can and lose a few kilos), the dash is much better although the selector wheel is a bit tedious, a button push would be better and filling both tanks separately is a bit of a bore! Wouldn't go back to a standard bike after this.
I agree on the road. Off road you notice the weight but I did say its not massive.
@@BrakeMagazine I'm sure you are right, I'll let you know when I've been off road!
You have to fill up both tanks separately???
@@kaiben3878 unfortunately yes left tank first they are linked though
Good review, thanks.
But what is the difference between this one and the normal but rally version. Is it worth the extra gas miles?
The suspension is better on this.
That place looked stunning. So how do I explain to my family that even though I can travel back to UK for Christmas now after the pandemic, I would rather take my bike down there. Can someone write me note...
Cheers
Paul
Have fun!😂
Great insight and thx for sharing ! Curious .. there’s been mention of some comparisons to the T7, some of the KTM’s, a couple BMW’s … what’s your thoughts on this bike compared to the T12 ?? Have they moved directly (or indirectly??) closer to the T12 at all ? 🤔
Nope. They are worlds apart. The T12 is much more a touring bike. This feels very much like a true 50/50 bike.
Another great production...how would you compare this to the aprilia 660, the KTM 890, and the old benchmark KTM 950/990?
The internet is never going to forget the 990 is it 😂
I didn't ride the Aprillia. It's different to KTM. More mellow, easier to ride in tech but less wild and fun.
@@BrakeMagazine sorry...I've still got my 950!
:)
@@richardsimpson3792 hold on to it! :)
This should have been the T9
No mention of the steering dampener? Curious to hear how that effects handling/steering.
I played with it but as we rode I noticed no effects. I'm sure in rougher terrain or at 'rally' speeds it helps.
Hi it's possible to put a gas tank bag?
In summary, excellent new bits and workings, except for the janky info-tainment scroll wheel and Pirelli tires when off road.
Thanks for the kind words
WOW
very nice review, but can the suspension be lowered? i am 175 sm and this thing looks scaryly high xD
Sure it can. Suspension shop will have you.
What a great, new version of the Tenere 700.
Noooooot!!!
You're American aren't you 🤣
@@BrakeMagazine
I'm in Texas and would buy a T7-WR today if one was available. It takes a full day of riding to cross my state.
I stopped into the local Honda dealer and checked out the Africa Twin.
Can't get hold of a standard T7 here in Canada, so no chance of seeing one of these!
😂
I am glad that I have standard T7. Lighter, slimmer, cheaper
Wondering if you've tested the extreme version yet to see how it compared.
Not yet. Have a test planned.
upgrade the suspension on the standard T7, upgrade the seat , ad a rear rack to carry some extra fuel. I prefer the look of the standard over the WR.
Me too.
If I go off English price increase then this will take the WR to $23500 drive away in Australia. That puts it dangerously close to the KTM 890 R and Ducati Desert X, both are $24,500 drive away. Hard to pick the Yamaha here when you get so much power and kit on the others, especially the Ducati that comes with almost all the tech kit as standard.
I agree. You might get Japanese/Aus discount on that but it's creeping close and that makes for a really different value proposition. It's not really a budget bike anymore.
I would also through the Tiger 900 in with your list. It's a great bike, with great spec kit. The TFT is world class.
@@BrakeMagazine Triumph is on there and further makes my point. Standard 900 will be cheaper than T7WR with GT and Rally Pro about the same as the Ducati. Just adds to the list of better-equipped bikes for the money.
Which would you rather own the Tiger 900 or Tenere 700. I dont like the dual fuel caps, good idea on the upgraded suspension. Engineers normally dont ride so they have no real world idea on the function and practicality of the thumb wheel which looks like it should be redesigned for 2023.
Good question. Really tricky to answer. I personally like the tech on the Tiger and the bike is super nice. Depends on your budget but if that's where you're looking the Tiger probably edges it. Both a great choice though. Follow ya heart good sir!
Sooo pleased at this response...got my rally coming June, your review helped me decide first time around!
@@davidhyde2267 One could actually buy two Tenere's for the cost of the Tiger, I did like the rally option on the screen option. The Tiger just has that Great look and on and off road ability to preform but is $$
@@BrakeMagazine Yes a tough question and thank you for answering. I missed a newish / used 2021 Tiger 900 with less the 500 for 10k with lots of options Dawww hind site is always 20/20
@@czthor1 not here in the UK you can't. £ 11,700 for the new T7 and yes more for the Triumph at £ 13,500 but that's definitely not two Tenere's , and my feeling is percentage increase in price matches the quality of bike bought.😄
How is this bike compared to the standard AT 1100? For someone who would like to do long distance traveling with all its luggage and in general 5-10% offroad - or TET once a while? Which one would you pick after riding both?
Thanks!
You ask the exact same question I do. I recently test rode both the standard T7, and the standard AT. Does the offroad pose of this model fall between the two?
I had found that the T7 offroad feels much more playful and competent than the AT (The T7 can easily be squeezed with the legs, AT much less so), but the AT feels much more neutral and better at roaded sections (T7 felt very soft and bouncy, not well connected to the road). That last one might be due to inferior suspension, so I am very curious how the T7 WR compares to them.
Also considering low speed manouvres, the AT is slightly better due to the long wheel base and high center of gravity. Seeing how the new model is (in terms of weight) very comparable to the AT, how does that compare?
I would say you're spot on the. I would pick the WW for most stuff personally. Its not as good on bigger roads and highways but it's good at everything else, cheaper and enjoyable to ride.
The Honda is good but has little glitches that get on my nerves. The fuelling isn't the best for a start.
Would you agree that a rear shock like the rally raid is a must for some of road in the UK and the forks would be OK with are valve and some spring rates to suit weight of the rider? Or if range is not an issue buy the standard t7 and get the full rally raid treatment?
I don’t think any suspension upgrades are a must. I think it depends on what you want to do.
This is much bigger bike than a stock T7 and should be thought of as such, but if you want to push a bit harder off-road the suspension can be made plenty good enough.
I would like to know when and if we will get them in the USA
Eventually. It's already in stores in the UK.
The fact that costs a lot more than the normal t7 should be taken in consideration on the conclusion
You're probably right. I think I actually pulled that section cos it went on too long. 🤣
@@BrakeMagazine great review as always 👍
@@BrakeMagazine Too long? Those 18 mins flew by. Was a nice easy to watch review.
I can already see the comments section knock the scrolling switch to turn off ABS.
I don't get it?
Changed on 2024 model.
One thing I can't cope with is the dual gas cap! Thanks, but no thanks. It feels like something a weekend DIYer would come up with, not a factory solution.
Factory solution on the 950/990 Adventure. Can't say it was ever a problem or even something I thought about when I had mine.
I agree. I know the KTM's had it but it'd still be irritating XD
@@defylifeadventure Well, the F 850 GS Adventure managed 23l with only one fuel cap, so that's one. Then the BMW has a better fuel mileage although the engine is bigger and there's more power. And it costs only 1000 EUR more. I'll test ride the GS in a couple weeks from now, but at least on paper it looks better.
@@defylifeadventure The twin fillers on the KTM mean there's room for a little compartment to keep wallet, spare earplugs and more in that you can open and use from the saddle.. I couldn't see the point of it before I got my 950...now I'd really miss it.
@@richardsimpson3792 Yup same here. I made use of that compartment a lot on my 950. It's annoying they didn't make one on the 890, which is supposed to be a travel bike.
Is this available in the US yet?
It's really hard to know. I don't think so. It's in European dealers now but I can't find out anything about US dealers. It might be work giving your local one a call. :)
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Sorry for off topic but what do you think about Aprilia Tuareg 660?
Never rode it sorry.
@@BrakeMagazine Thank you !
Not sure it’s worth £3500 more than my 2020 t7. Acerbis tank is £320 for 23 litre. Plus £85 for a rally raid spring.
The suspension is much better than just springs but I get your point. It's closer to the KTECH ORVS out of the box.
Where exactly in Spain are these tracks?
Between Lorca and Granada.
Why is the muffler bracket still welded onto the frame? Seems like a very strange and bad choice.
They claim some manufacturing restrictions.
More weight for falling, and they still decide exhaust position should remain the same... sheesh. Yamaha's main income comes from selling swingarms apparently.
How does this damage the swingarm?
@@BrakeMagazine After falling to right side few times, exhaust starts scratching the swingarm. You must have seen it by now. Check out any rider that is riding offroad with T7, I bet there are markings on it under the exhaust.
Every single person owning a T7 I know has brushed swingarm. One friend has HP Coarse re-location pipe and exhaust kit that fixes that problem and is how it should have came out from factory IMO.
I have issue, i have 120kg and when i want go to trip with my wife idk if we dont need something stronger with more power or this is enough for us...
I think the bigger issue might be comfort. There isn't a much space or comfort for a pillion from the look of it.
You'd have to test ride.
Oh i wish they put this suspension on normal bike with smaller tank and less weight... :-( All i want from t7 is longer stravel suspension and 10BHP more.
An exhaust system makes the engine amazing. Our next project bike video is coming on Monday :P
it's like 2 centimeters more travel, hardly noticeable over the standard. just do some springs or spend more and get a better suspension than this from rally raid or others
@@jaybosher6144 If 20mm travel is hardly noticeable for you - it's deffinatelly not worth it for you. But for me - 20mm is the difference between jumping or not, difference between possibility of setting suspension slightly softer for tarmac and still not bottom out after jump... And i got K-tech full upgrade, but you wont cheat phisics and to stop 210mm bottoming out you had make it hard. Doeas not matter how you valve it and set up your clickers - it's hard or it will still botom out on you. Stock suspension sucks, stock tuned suspenssion is better, but still not as good as long travel WP on KTM's i rode. :-)
@@procesgnilny you'd get more lightening your load vs the added 2cm. It is what it is. You need to pay to play with suspension and you need to be realistic when it comes to jumping something approaching 500lbs
They should have made a lighter version. scrape off 25kg at least, and charge more. (and fix the made-out-of-chocolate exhaust hanger.)
Scrape off 25kgs? 🤣🤣 I'd be insanely impressed. Maybe they should a superlight version.
@@BrakeMagazine wait for the T4 then? :)
Not many people are going to do a rally on this type of bike, come on Yamaha. A good review without all the sale pitch. I like the tank design. That's the only thing I dislike on my T7, the high tank. Give me those twin (plastic) tanks and only 19 litres and I would be a happy man. Are the twin tanks plastic or steel?
I'm also quite curious about the tanks construction...
I think you'd be surprised. it wont be tens of thousands but I think you'll see more at events than you expect. We have a fun series called Rally Moto here in the UK. It's kinda like a reliability rally, on road book and the trip would be awesome for that.
As for the tanks, they're steel. I love KTM's plastic, super low tanks. I think they've made the 890 what it is. Interestingly, the 'Factory Rally' uses identical tanks made from plastic.
@@BrakeMagazine Thanks for your comments.
I don’t like the steel either. That takes away from its ruggedness. I don’t want to baby or worry about my bike off road, worrying about paint.
@@BadDirtRider Well not sure if that's right. I was now told by a chap that owns one and from a youtuber that was also at the launch the tanks are plastic type material.
Yeh I dont need to do ANY WHEELIES on this! lol
Why not? Wheelies rock!
@@BrakeMagazine Risk to reward ratio?
The extra weight's a killer for me
It would be nice if there was a comparison of the dry weights. More kg wet doesn't mean much when the tank is bigger.
Can't find a dry weight for the Rally but if you subtract the weight of the extra petrol it carries, i.e. 7 litres, you end up with 214.75 kg, so 10kg more than the quoted weight of the original model.
The quoted Dry weight of the original was 189kg, 204kg wet. Whatever way you cut it, it's heavier and the number doesn't really matter. It's a bit heavier, but still lighter than an Africa Twin or a GS.
Did you hear any rumours of a light weight smaller displacement Tenere in the works?
Nope, none.
@@BrakeMagazine Too bad, keep hoping they'll "rally up" one of their WR's into an adventure dual sport.
Better that crf1100 l?
Different
Not fuel efficiency... Am ride crf 1100l my own, I know its over liter engine capacity but 5000rpm on my bike have 90mph on yamaha 60mph it's little different. I don't like yamaha seating positions it's like motocross flat things, i prefer seating positions like honda cr 500 old style. New one is completely crap for me
Hey, that's the beauty of bikes right? I like the T7, but that doesn't really matter. If you like your AT then that's awesome.
It really doesn't matter if another bike is better, worse or not if what you've got makes you happy. After all, if you've got any motorbike you enjoy riding then you're blessed 🙌
Don’t like the tank, could of done a lot more to make the T7 better but do this WHY.
clearly Yamaha would sell the hell out of these if they did make it to the U.S. .. as evidenced by comments I encounter daily about this bike .. and riders pleading with Yamaha to make it a U.S. model
I read the thumbnail as "paid review", and was confused about why someone would be so brutally honest about getting paid to write review lol.
😂 I solemnly promise to be honest about the bikes I ride 😅
@@BrakeMagazine my man :)
Yamaha could have had $15K of my hard earned money but these Tenere 700’s are not available anywhere in western Canada 🇨🇦 🤷♂️🤷♂️ so I took my money to Triumph. How such a great bike has not been available for almost 2 years now is just ridiculous 😳😳😳 I’ve literally seen one since they came out 🤦♂️🤦♂️
I'm currently in the same situation in Texas.
Went to Honda and looked at the Africa Twin earlier today.