Finally someone shooting gel at range. Always thought people shooting gel at 15 yards and trying to convey the difference between something like a 10.3" and 14.5" AR15 were really not doing the experiment justice.
I've been commenting on every garand thumb video where he's shooting the ballistics gel dummy for him to shoot one at long range with 77gr otm and 175gr bthp. No luck so far 😢
Mostly scared of missing probably. Hitting steel at range you get the clang, the gel is more telling. Takes time & money to set the blocks, the steel is one & done for awhile.
First, that was some darn good shooting. Second, your explanation of what you were doing at every stage was very well explained and easy to follow. Finally, I love the fact you did real world distance testing into gel. It gives hunters solid information they can use.
@@larrymitchell3502 Didnt blow up like a ballistic tip inside. Just pushed through with okay size hole about a half dollar diameter. Exit side was little bigger but didnt get that picture. Less than 10 yards and dropped. Saw blood trail on the ground from the back side where it walked and fell over.
I entered your 2600fps muzzle velocity 143gr eld-x bullet with G1 BC of .625 into federals ballistics calculator and according to that the bullet would be traveling at 1825 feet per second at 600 yards. While still having 1057 ft lbs of energy. Impressive performance!
Considering that your average 5.56 out of a 16 inch barrel only carries between 1200 and 1300 ft lb at the muzzle I would say that would still be very effective. At 1100 yards with that load you would still have about the same energy as a 147 grain 9mm at the muzzle. You might not get expansion at 1100 yards but it is most definitely still lethal.
Best part of the video was your wife commenting on how happy you looked. Great info! Thanks for all the work you did to bring this to us, I'm glad that you enjoyed yourself!
Thumbs up on keeping the first shots on there, when you forgot to adjust the scope. All of us do it from time to time but most people would edit that out. 👍
I love that your wife does this stuff with you and her laughing at your excitement at the end is wholesome. My wife doesn't mind my love of guns but she's not super interested when I nerd out about them. Probably because she knows every time I nerd out a new gun or gun accessory appears in the safe. Which has been over filled since I got it pretty much.
Awesome. I just bought a Bergara B14 Hunter in 6.5 Creedmoor. Since I'm almost 70 years old, I wanted something that would be my go-to gun and would be easier on my shoulder than the .30-06 that I've had for over 40 years. I think I've found the gun I need. Thank you for putting this together and sharing it with us. God bless, Miles P.S. Chronometer/Chronograph... whatever. We all know what you meant, and most of us, I'll bet, didn't even catch it.
I've been looking for videos like this for years!! Do more calibers!! So awesome! I'd love to see this with a 300 wm or a 270 or other common hunting rounds and bullets!!!
Awesome!!! I ABSOLUTELY LOVE that you and your wife get to do that together! You 2 are awesome! Keep the great content coming! Btw… you have a truck, time to get a trailer and SXS!!!!
Thank you guys for taking the time and being willing to do these kind of things for the rest of us that may not have the time and resources this gives me a good starting point
Extremely timely video. Yesterday I got up at 5:30 am to go to the desert and shoot my 6.5 Creedmore at 600 yards, a first for me. I handloaded 40gr H4250 with 140gr ELDM bullets seated up close to the lands. Last time out this rifle shot .7moa in the heat with the first 2 rounds in the center of the bull. Chronometer measured 2602fps just like yours. I messed up the ballistic calculator and came up with a setting of up 12.75 moa. I will be going back for day 2 using 14.5 and hope to be more successful like you. Thanks for all the videos.
Outstanding! Thank you so much for putting out such real world experience. Good shooting Sir! Very impressive. It is wonderful that your wife is out there with you. Family first in the under the sun realm. Good show.
You make the best darn videos. I just love them and learn so much. I live in the California (I know) and I just hate it. I haven't been able to buy primers for reloading for over 2 years. Bass Pro won't stock them because it cuts into the ammo sales and they make you join their "club" if you want to buy more than $100. worth of ammo at a time. Of course joining their club is contingent upon applying for and being granted their own credit card. No credit card, no quantity ammo sales. Total ripoff. Keep up the good work!!!
This is a great test! Testing them 15 or 20 yards from the muzzle is useless. Nobody shoots anything that close. Realistic ranges are much more useful information. Thanks.
By far the best long distance test of the eldx I've seen. I'm happy it performed as well as it did, now I will have the confidence to make those longer shots if necessary while hunting deer.
That was a lot of work. Thank you, both of you for doing this testing, filming it, and running to the cameras to make sure we get to see it too. I’m thinking of starting a petition to officially change the name of chronographs to chronometers.
The ELD-X is a decent bullet at lower velocities and will do the job on deer sized game at pretty much any ethical distance. I've even heard of people killing elk with them but I shot a doe in the neck 2 years ago at 75 yards and it didn't come out the other side... I shot an 80lb hog in the front shoulder at under 100 yards the same year and it didn't come out the other side and both were using the 143gr ELD-X in 6.5 Creedmoor. I wanted to like this bullet because it's an extremely accurate one and these could've been very rare results to have but I made the decision that year if it isn't a bonded or an all copper bullet outside of a few exceptions I don't hunt with them. Still a great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
All copper? You mean the entire round or just FMJ? I saw the other day you folks have different laws in each state and all copper was mentioned. Just interested thanks.
The 140gr eldm has a thinner jacket. Exited the whitetail at 300 yards (6.5 creed). Perfect double lung and the deer dropped like a sack of potatoes. Exit hole was small, but the damage to the lungs was like looking at what my 30-06 using 180gr bullets has. Never found much eldx in stock then but I did find a lot of eldm so I was stocked up. Didn’t find any pieces of the jacket or find the bullet so I’m not sure how well it stayed together. 125 grain Winchester deer season didn’t shoot well out of my rifle, but seems good out of a browning a bolt, my sister shot a whitetail with that and it dropped, and had exit so if your rifle likes them that could work for you.
Get your wife in more videos. She seems delightful lol. Also, if you remain dubious about the creedmoor, try this with a Paul Harrell-esque 'meat target'... then you can have a cookout afterwords too
Thoroughly enjoyed this one. Wow, who knew the Creed still hits that hard at long range? You see the numbers but jeez to see it penetrate and make a wound cavity like that and exit again, wow Hard to argue with those results and fantastic marksmanship btw, that group at 600 is fire.
@@biggs8729 the 127 LRX is capable of reliable expansion out to 700 yards or more @9500 ASL at fall hunting temps. 1800fps still expands well, though obviously less than closer ranges.
The 6.5x55 Swede is used all over the world, and is very popular with Scandanavian moose hunters. The Creedmoor is almost a ballistic twin to the Swede. I'm not sure how it gets the reputation of being only adequate for deer and antelope. It has plenty of horsepower, and has plenty of bullets options with high sectional density. Elk should be absolutely no problem at reasonable distance. But then again, I think the 257 Bob is a fine cartridge as well. lol
The other qualifier with the Swede is that the traditional moose round is a 160 RN, if I recall properly, compared to the 125-150gr spitzers typically used in the Creed. Heavy round nose bullets have more predictable expansion and deeper penetration than typical spitzer bullets, with the trade-off of having the ballistics of a truck...
@@driftertank Exactly. Most of those Scandinavian shots with a 6.5x55 likely inside 200 meters, too. Cross-canyon elk @ 600 Yds I feel way more comfortable with a 175 gr 7 rem mag (minimum) or a 200 gr+. 308 bullet @ 3100+ fps MV. 300 Win mag & up. It ain't what works when everything's perfect but what makes an exit wound when you hit the near shoulder. On purpose.
@@Freezer003people talk about that creedmoor strawman online that thinks he can kill everything at a mile but I’ve never seen it in real life. I have seen a hunter with a 338 lapua claim he can go to 1100 and then midd a bull by 6 feet
@@larrymitchell3502there are tons of photos on rokslide of people killing elk with 143 eldx, 130tmk etc out of creeds and 260s at long range. The punch straight through shoulders. The thread is like 26 pages of kills, worth a read.
Man, I love your work and energy you put into these videos. I get so much grief for shooting the 6.5 Creedmoor, but unjust don’t care. I haven’t had an animal walk off on me yet.
Except what have you shot with it? At what distances? See it's not just about 6.5... Everyone acts like it doesn't matter as long as you make a clean impact. The point I make is energy transfer. It passed through you say.. Well of course it did, but did it transfer energy efficiently? That is the truly debatable part. Along with it doesn't carry as what i consider enough energy, especially at the distances people are trying to harvest game.. You can clearly tell even in this video.. If there was bone or anything with heavy flesh you have to pass through.. Would it? I would say possibly but, not being a humane kill probably.. Deer is one thing.. The punchline, The thing that bothers me is people have shot caribou and moose at great distance with it. I have myself witnessed 3 events as they put 4-5 rounds in these animals over 400+ yards. Literally trying to take them down.. Did they die? Yes, eventually.. Was it humane and ethical, I would argue not remotely.. Yet people online are still swearing by it..
@@jarek0737 I have seen and experienced the exact opposite. At the end of say I don’t shoot it pass 500 yards. There is enough energy out to 600 yards. No matter what round anyone uses shot placement is still the key. I have seen game run off with a 300 WM and 7mm REM MAG. Once again shot placement is key.
@@jarek0737 Your post brings up an interesting question which you may be qualified to answer. You comment on the need for "efficient energy transfer" but in what "form" is the energy of the bullet transferred to the game which was shot? With this question answered, how would you measure the amount of energy transferred to compare its efficiency to other similar bullets?
@@mrmatt7210 To understand energy transfer consider the bullet before it's fired. Energy is transferred to the bullet by the pressure exerted on the base. Pressure x Surface area x distance gives you the amount of energy. Larger caliber or longer barrel will = more energy. After leaving the bore, energy is transferred to the air during the bullet's flight. Here you want to minimize energy loss so a smaller caliber and/or shorter flight path are better. When the bullet hits an animal it's the same story. Energy is transferred via surface area, pressure, and distance. A skinny bullet will lose less energy than a fatter bullet. The energy retained upon impact will be converted into 3 main areas: Bullet deformation, tissue damage, and if the bullet exits then the 3rd area is just wasted in the dirt. Frontal area, which varies with bullet diameter squared, is a huge factor in both bullet acceleration and deceleration (tissue damage). Of course "shot placement is key" is the phrase used by people who hunt with small calibers. It has a lot of truth to it. But why would you intentionally handicap yourself by requiring a perfect shot on the animal you're hunting? Larger calibers cause more damage and give you more latitude for acceptable shot placement. Unless you're a child or a very small woman I don't see any reason to carry a gun that's only adequate for taking game with ideal shot placement. The phrase, "Use the biggest gun you can shoot well" is much better advice if you want quick kills.
I just now seen your video posted 4 months ago good work please make more videos like this you were the only one I ever seen the long range ballistics jail testing
Hello from Nashville. My aunt is LDS and I lived in Fredonia, AZ just south of Kanab, UT. I spent 3 months out there. Dude you remind me of the kind folks out there.
Excellent video. I've not seen or heard of anyone else shooting those gel blocks at anything like 600 yrds &, to shoot it 3 times. That's some good shooting there brother. Good to see you've got the misses running around after your every command. Good stuff. Treat em mean, keep em keen I always say.
It's great to see you make the same mistakes most of us make. That's realistic. These shots are not easy. You get Props for taking on a real challenge.
I am from RSA. Shot many blue wildebeest in my life. They are tough as hell. I once wounded one using my 375 H&H, never to be seen again. Also witnessed one run over 1km after a bad shot from a 460 Wby. Shot placement must be spot on with these animals. Recently shot 3 using 90gr Accubonds in my .243 Win. All head shots between 100m-150m. Local farmers joke that they sell most wildbeest twice, as most hunters only wound them. Happens to ALL of us.
I took a antelope last year with 6.5 creedmoor and a 140 ELD-M at 562yrds. In behind the left shoulder, out through the right shoulder. 2inch exit wound. No bullet fragments in the meat. If you go on the Hornaday mil/le web page it says the ELD-Ms have excellent terminal ballistic performance. From my experience this is quite accurate. There is just a stigma on the civilian side of using match bullets for hunting. When shot placement is key why wouldn't you want to shoot a more accurate projectile?
@@thomasford2946 Thomas, as a Marine sniper how effective do you think the Creedmoor would have in a combat/sniper system? I know they've tested the .260 Remington and have some Creedmoor rifles. I was a bit surprised when they recommended a round like they ended up with considering the well known penetration/sectional density of the 6.5 bullet. Thank you for your service.
This is prob rhetorical, and common knowledge but I'll put it out here. The eld-x has a slightly thicker jacket and Is a great performer at closer ranges. Tougher, and can handle the higher velocities at closer ranges. On the other hand the m's with a thinner jacket act like the eld-x at the longer ranges and are amazing. We hunt bear in eastern NC and the eld-x shines out to 400 yards. Past that out to 900 the eld-m is the projectile of choice. That's on thick bear hide, and dense muscle. Not trying to hit any bone except ribs or skull. Using 6.5 prc and 6.5 swede.... which is basically o.g. Creedmoor
This may be the best and most useful video you have done. I have been wanting to see some real longer distances shot at the gel for some time now. My max hunting distance I will shoot is 600, so this was perfect. Although I will not be shooting something that lacking in energy at that distance. Would love to see a 145Gr LRX shot at 600 at 32” of gel to compare out of a 28 Nosler or near equivalent.
You are the only person I know that actually shoots a ballistic gel at long range finally I get to see some actual testing in my opinion. I would however like to see the same test, with a standard setup AR-15 16" barrel chambered in 5.56/223 but with both cartridges and M193 & M855 this I need to see besides the fact I don't think it has been done
Chronograph?! Ha but ok we all slip. Excellent excellent excellent! You do great podcast, this was pluperfect, as far as entertaining and informative! We want more!
I fully understand the groaning while laying prone n getting up. The struggle is real 🤣 I just turned 37 and I'm in decent shape and it is just a part of life 🙃
A 143 gr 6.5 bullet has excellent sectional density so it makes sense you get decent penetration from it. If the bullet exhibits good penetration at high velocity, then it will probably penetrate farther at longer range because lower velocity gives it less expansion, and less expansion equates to less drag slowing the bullet down as it penetrates. That was some good shooting!
A little tip to try. Configure a small shade canopy over your camera to keep the sun off. Could also even rig up a small solar powered electronics fan. Awesome video!
THANK YOU! Your efforts are greatly appreciated B/C I use 6.5 PRC Hornady ELD-X ammo for hunting. I have a 6.5 CM Ruger Precision Rifle for long range (to 1,100 yards) competition and a 6.5 PRC Browning X-Bolt Pro for hunting here in Nevada. This year I've got a Nevada antelope tag and I'm using the 6.5 PRC because I may have to shoot out to 800+ yards on those very wary critters. My scope is a Bushnell Elite LRTS 4.5 - 18 x 44 with a G3 illuminated "small Xmas tree" reticle so I don't have to dial. I use a larger H-59 Xmas tree reticle in my competition scope so I'm used to holding on the hash marks instead of dialing. (Did I mention I DON'T DIAL?;o) BTW. I will use my hiking poles with the Quick stiX bipod joint which I have found greatly helps with accuracy. Weisner Industries makes this great mechanism which weighs only about 3 or 4 ounces. What an innovative piece of hunting gear!
Very good shooting. Always great having shooting videos in the off hunting season. 6.5 CM good hunting round for medium game and excellent for shooting having mild recoil. Considered getting one but I’m an old timer and sticking with old time .243 since I live and hunt/shoot in the southeast US. Enjoyed video.
We're used to seeing gel get shot at 20m, good to see what happens at range. All those people who say bullets lose energy at longer range, yeah but it'll still do the job.
New subscriber for no other reason than watching your videos and enjoying your infectious enthusiasm. Another reason watching your videos is amazing: you virtually ignore the elephant in the room--your marksmanship! For those of us who can't hit the broadside of a Dakota Barn, you have MAD SKILLS, sir. Three questions: where in the Southwest are you shooting and filming? Also, are you former military or civilian trained? Finally, knowing how expensive ballistic gel is, do you have a DIY recipe and make your own? Inquiring minds want to know!
Excellent video, and I get the excitement. If you would like…. I guess I’ll say a Second Opinion, the Barbour Creek shooting school channel does lots of tests similar to this one with a LOT of different bullets. Plus they do things like put hide and bone in front of the gel. All interesting data from you both. Cheers.
That's actually super impressive . I didnt think it was going through the full block . Cross is only 18" Barrel which is equally more impressive to have those results . Nice video bro and nice freaking shooting
Wow !! thanks for the effort in making this, that is just incredible to see at this distance ! If only you had something like an off road capable e-scooter like those Dualtrons to get to the target quickly.
6.5 caliber in general is no joke! I will admit I was skeptical of its ability when I first bought mine. For my wife and kids... he he. Seriously though I have had great success with mine so far. The sectional density and modest velocity of the creedmoor for example makes a round capable of brilliant penetration. Which is what history has taught with other rounds such as the 7x57, 6.5x55, 30-40, and of course the 30-06. All shooting heavy for caliber bullets such as the 175 grain in the 7mm, 160 in 6.5x55, 220s in the 30s mentioned. Obviously you would have to adjust your range at game taken. But above said bullets I would dare even say that they are all legendary, along with a proven time tested track record. All the creedmoor is, is a round built off the shoulders of giants. The 6.5 PRC and creedmoor just being 21st century rounds. 6.5x55 Swedish(creedmoor) 264 Winchester magnum(6.5 PRC) All 4 being good rounds. Good job and good shooting. God bless and take care. Just my humble 2 cents.
Great shots, great work! I shoot Hornady Precision Hunter ELD-X in volume. I've shot over 3 cases in the last couple of years. On average, the muzzle velocity has been about 2550, whereas they advertise 2700. In your testing, you seemed to realize the same thing. Maybe we should all write a letter to HDY. Ha ha. On the other hand, it's extremely accurate and I love it!
I like your video My only observation would be that “one bullet lost his jacket even at that distance “ I have my doubts about using ELDX’s in my next hunt. Same reason I don’t use Sierra Game King any more. Thanks for your research, it’s very helpful.
that is an awesome video and provides great 👍 insight to terminal performance. I hope u do videos on other calibers using this same test and same bullet.
Good shooting! Like you always wondered how a bullet expands at long distance. That you for showing us. And show's that speed is not factor if have the right bullet and hit the vitals. In other words you don't need every bullet screaming at 3000 fps. I always go for shoot ability and accuracy over speed. Grate video.
love your videos and how excited you get:) it's somewhere inspirational! why don't you have same test with different calibers? 308, 300, 30-06, 5.56; you get the point. youtube will probably hate you, but "we are the people" would love you 👍
Lol. No idea why I said “chronometer” three times. Obviously, I meant “chronograph.”
I think the audience will know what you meant.
Nice shootin'!
Clearly you are new to this whole rifle thing!😂
@@thomasford2946 🤣
Were you using the 143 gr?
Finally someone shooting gel at range. Always thought people shooting gel at 15 yards and trying to convey the difference between something like a 10.3" and 14.5" AR15 were really not doing the experiment justice.
And hitting it at that range!
I've been commenting on every garand thumb video where he's shooting the ballistics gel dummy for him to shoot one at long range with 77gr otm and 175gr bthp. No luck so far 😢
Mostly scared of missing probably. Hitting steel at range you get the clang, the gel is more telling. Takes time & money to set the blocks, the steel is one & done for awhile.
Wow, epic shooting man! Nobody else ever shoots gel at long range. This video delivered!
only a gun nerd would understand the excitement!!! great shots!
Mega dittos!!
First, that was some darn good shooting.
Second, your explanation of what you were doing at every stage was very well explained and easy to follow.
Finally, I love the fact you did real world distance testing into gel. It gives hunters solid information they can use.
I had a pass through on my cow hunt at 500 yards through the lungs shooting up at an angle. Didnt hit bone. 6.5 creedmoor eldx 143gr.
@@nsaechao84nsCow elk?
Surprised you didn't hit a rib, just by chance. What kinda damage / how far did she go?
@gsh341 Second this. Real data @,considerable effort. Thank you.
@@larrymitchell3502 Didnt blow up like a ballistic tip inside. Just pushed through with okay size hole about a half dollar diameter. Exit side was little bigger but didnt get that picture. Less than 10 yards and dropped. Saw blood trail on the ground from the back side where it walked and fell over.
Your wife is a great woman for putting up with this stuff.
Yeah, my wife would do it once, and then she'd take the keys, and drive home in the car...leaving me out there!
I entered your 2600fps muzzle velocity 143gr eld-x bullet with G1 BC of .625 into federals ballistics calculator and according to that the bullet would be traveling at 1825 feet per second at 600 yards. While still having 1057 ft lbs of energy. Impressive performance!
Considering that your average 5.56 out of a 16 inch barrel only carries between 1200 and 1300 ft lb at the muzzle I would say that would still be very effective. At 1100 yards with that load you would still have about the same energy as a 147 grain 9mm at the muzzle. You might not get expansion at 1100 yards but it is most definitely still lethal.
Yes it is! But I still wouldn't shoot at game at that distance.
Best part of the video was your wife commenting on how happy you looked. Great info! Thanks for all the work you did to bring this to us, I'm glad that you enjoyed yourself!
Thumbs up on keeping the first shots on there, when you forgot to adjust the scope. All of us do it from time to time but most people would edit that out. 👍
Thanks for this and great job doing it! I appreciate how difficult testing, let alone filming this can be.
I love that your wife does this stuff with you and her laughing at your excitement at the end is wholesome.
My wife doesn't mind my love of guns but she's not super interested when I nerd out about them.
Probably because she knows every time I nerd out a new gun or gun accessory appears in the safe. Which has been over filled since I got it pretty much.
Your channel is my absolute favorite! Great information. Great narrator! Love your attitude & integrity!
Awesome. I just bought a Bergara B14 Hunter in 6.5 Creedmoor. Since I'm almost 70 years old, I wanted something that would be my go-to gun and would be easier on my shoulder than the .30-06 that I've had for over 40 years. I think I've found the gun I need. Thank you for putting this together and sharing it with us. God bless, Miles P.S. Chronometer/Chronograph... whatever. We all know what you meant, and most of us, I'll bet, didn't even catch it.
Fantastic footage! Really hope to see this explored with other common calibres.
I've been looking for videos like this for years!! Do more calibers!! So awesome! I'd love to see this with a 300 wm or a 270 or other common hunting rounds and bullets!!!
Great shooting and impressive results. The Creedmoor really punches above it's weight.
Awesome!!! I ABSOLUTELY LOVE that you and your wife get to do that together! You 2 are awesome! Keep the great content coming!
Btw… you have a truck, time to get a trailer and SXS!!!!
More of a boat guy 😀
@@backfire por que no los dos?
@@backfire do you ever go fishing 🎣
Thank you guys for taking the time and being willing to do these kind of things for the rest of us that may not have the time and resources this gives me a good starting point
Extremely timely video. Yesterday I got up at 5:30 am to go to the desert and shoot my 6.5 Creedmore at 600 yards, a first for me. I handloaded 40gr H4250 with 140gr ELDM bullets seated up close to the lands. Last time out this rifle shot .7moa in the heat with the first 2 rounds in the center of the bull. Chronometer measured 2602fps just like yours. I messed up the ballistic calculator and came up with a setting of up 12.75 moa. I will be going back for day 2 using 14.5 and hope to be more successful like you.
Thanks for all the videos.
Outstanding! Thank you so much for putting out such real world experience. Good shooting Sir! Very impressive. It is wonderful that your wife is out there with you. Family first in the under the sun realm. Good show.
Awesome!! We need more of these test. I would love to see 308 same test!!
Always wanted to see gel in further distances and now I can. Thanks. Good stuff.
Impressive test with some serious results.
You make the best darn videos. I just love them and learn so much. I live in the California (I know) and I just hate it. I haven't been able to buy primers for reloading for over 2 years. Bass Pro won't stock them because it cuts into the ammo sales and they make you join their "club" if you want to buy more than $100. worth of ammo at a time. Of course joining their club is contingent upon applying for and being granted their own credit card. No credit card, no quantity ammo sales. Total ripoff. Keep up the good work!!!
Lucky guy. Nice rifle and great support team. Excellent video, thanks.
This is a great test! Testing them 15 or 20 yards from the muzzle is useless. Nobody shoots anything that close. Realistic ranges are much more useful information. Thanks.
Whatever it is, at 15 or 20 yards it's getting the side arm. 🙌
By far the best long distance test of the eldx I've seen. I'm happy it performed as well as it did, now I will have the confidence to make those longer shots if necessary while hunting deer.
Finally....someone shot gel at a realistic range....well done!
Keep up the good work. Side note...well done on keeping the kids shooting.
That was a lot of work. Thank you, both of you for doing this testing, filming it, and running to the cameras to make sure we get to see it too. I’m thinking of starting a petition to officially change the name of chronographs to chronometers.
Well done, Sir. The shooting, the footage, the test, everything.
The ELD-X is a decent bullet at lower velocities and will do the job on deer sized game at pretty much any ethical distance. I've even heard of people killing elk with them but I shot a doe in the neck 2 years ago at 75 yards and it didn't come out the other side... I shot an 80lb hog in the front shoulder at under 100 yards the same year and it didn't come out the other side and both were using the 143gr ELD-X in 6.5 Creedmoor. I wanted to like this bullet because it's an extremely accurate one and these could've been very rare results to have but I made the decision that year if it isn't a bonded or an all copper bullet outside of a few exceptions I don't hunt with them. Still a great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
All copper? You mean the entire round or just FMJ? I saw the other day you folks have different laws in each state and all copper was mentioned. Just interested thanks.
The 140gr eldm has a thinner jacket. Exited the whitetail at 300 yards (6.5 creed). Perfect double lung and the deer dropped like a sack of potatoes. Exit hole was small, but the damage to the lungs was like looking at what my 30-06 using 180gr bullets has. Never found much eldx in stock then but I did find a lot of eldm so I was stocked up. Didn’t find any pieces of the jacket or find the bullet so I’m not sure how well it stayed together. 125 grain Winchester deer season didn’t shoot well out of my rifle, but seems good out of a browning a bolt, my sister shot a whitetail with that and it dropped, and had exit so if your rifle likes them that could work for you.
Way cool video. Thanks for all the work you did to make it. Its so great to have real world data we can point to and make comparisons.
So the effective range of the 6.5 CM is substantial, great video, thank you
A lot of work went into making that vid, thank you for it, I really enjoyed it.
Get your wife in more videos. She seems delightful lol. Also, if you remain dubious about the creedmoor, try this with a Paul Harrell-esque 'meat target'... then you can have a cookout afterwords too
That was a seriously interesting video. I really enjoyed it. Congratulations.
Ive came back ad watched this several times. Thanks for posting, and great marksmanship.
Finally someone shooting gel at long range!
Thoroughly enjoyed this one. Wow, who knew the Creed still hits that hard at long range? You see the numbers but jeez to see it penetrate and make a wound cavity like that and exit again, wow
Hard to argue with those results and fantastic marksmanship btw, that group at 600 is fire.
I would love to see this test with the 127 LRX at 400 yards. Also maybe some catch block or a backer so we can see the bullets. Great content!
Second this one. For my 6.5 CM, 127 LRX and at my elevation, 9000-12,000 ft, 500 yards is the outer limit I think for good expansion.
Or just use 20% gel instead of 10%
@@biggs8729 the 127 LRX is capable of reliable expansion out to 700 yards or more @9500 ASL at fall hunting temps. 1800fps still expands well, though obviously less than closer ranges.
The 6.5x55 Swede is used all over the world, and is very popular with Scandanavian moose hunters. The Creedmoor is almost a ballistic twin to the Swede. I'm not sure how it gets the reputation of being only adequate for deer and antelope. It has plenty of horsepower, and has plenty of bullets options with high sectional density. Elk should be absolutely no problem at reasonable distance. But then again, I think the 257 Bob is a fine cartridge as well. lol
Your catch is 'at reasonable distance." Seems everyone nowadays wants to blast an elk at 1200 yards and have everything go perfect.
The other qualifier with the Swede is that the traditional moose round is a 160 RN, if I recall properly, compared to the 125-150gr spitzers typically used in the Creed.
Heavy round nose bullets have more predictable expansion and deeper penetration than typical spitzer bullets, with the trade-off of having the ballistics of a truck...
@@driftertank Exactly. Most of those Scandinavian shots with a 6.5x55 likely inside 200 meters, too. Cross-canyon elk @ 600 Yds I feel way more comfortable with a 175 gr 7 rem mag (minimum) or a 200 gr+. 308 bullet @ 3100+ fps MV. 300 Win mag & up.
It ain't what works when everything's perfect but what makes an exit wound when you hit the near shoulder. On purpose.
@@Freezer003people talk about that creedmoor strawman online that thinks he can kill everything at a mile but I’ve never seen it in real life. I have seen a hunter with a 338 lapua claim he can go to 1100 and then midd a bull by 6 feet
@@larrymitchell3502there are tons of photos on rokslide of people killing elk with 143 eldx, 130tmk etc out of creeds and 260s at long range. The punch straight through shoulders. The thread is like 26 pages of kills, worth a read.
Awesome work. That smile is well deserved. Thanks for your creativity and hard work.
I love both of these calibers. They do not disappoint.
Man, I love your work and energy you put into these videos. I get so much grief for shooting the 6.5 Creedmoor, but unjust don’t care. I haven’t had an animal walk off on me yet.
Except what have you shot with it? At what distances? See it's not just about 6.5...
Everyone acts like it doesn't matter as long as you make a clean impact. The point I make is energy transfer. It passed through you say.. Well of course it did, but did it transfer energy efficiently? That is the truly debatable part. Along with it doesn't carry as what i consider enough energy, especially at the distances people are trying to harvest game..
You can clearly tell even in this video.. If there was bone or anything with heavy flesh you have to pass through.. Would it? I would say possibly but, not being a humane kill probably.. Deer is one thing..
The punchline, The thing that bothers me is people have shot caribou and moose at great distance with it. I have myself witnessed 3 events as they put 4-5 rounds in these animals over 400+ yards. Literally trying to take them down.. Did they die? Yes, eventually.. Was it humane and ethical, I would argue not remotely.. Yet people online are still swearing by it..
@@jarek0737 I have seen and experienced the exact opposite. At the end of say I don’t shoot it pass 500 yards. There is enough energy out to 600 yards. No matter what round anyone uses shot placement is still the key. I have seen game run off with a 300 WM and 7mm REM MAG. Once again shot placement is key.
@@jarek0737 Your post brings up an interesting question which you may be qualified to answer. You comment on the need for "efficient energy transfer" but in what "form" is the energy of the bullet transferred to the game which was shot? With this question answered, how would you measure the amount of energy transferred to compare its efficiency to other similar bullets?
@@mrmatt7210 To understand energy transfer consider the bullet before it's fired. Energy is transferred to the bullet by the pressure exerted on the base. Pressure x Surface area x distance gives you the amount of energy. Larger caliber or longer barrel will = more energy. After leaving the bore, energy is transferred to the air during the bullet's flight. Here you want to minimize energy loss so a smaller caliber and/or shorter flight path are better. When the bullet hits an animal it's the same story. Energy is transferred via surface area, pressure, and distance. A skinny bullet will lose less energy than a fatter bullet. The energy retained upon impact will be converted into 3 main areas: Bullet deformation, tissue damage, and if the bullet exits then the 3rd area is just wasted in the dirt. Frontal area, which varies with bullet diameter squared, is a huge factor in both bullet acceleration and deceleration (tissue damage). Of course "shot placement is key" is the phrase used by people who hunt with small calibers. It has a lot of truth to it. But why would you intentionally handicap yourself by requiring a perfect shot on the animal you're hunting? Larger calibers cause more damage and give you more latitude for acceptable shot placement. Unless you're a child or a very small woman I don't see any reason to carry a gun that's only adequate for taking game with ideal shot placement. The phrase, "Use the biggest gun you can shoot well" is much better advice if you want quick kills.
I’m glad to see this I hear a lot about the 6.5 not being enough to hunt with but this definitely shows that it’s capable.
I love that hornady app - take the time to input every single data point - it is amazing
Been wanting to see a video like this for forever. Thanks
The wife's commentary was a nice addition to the entertainment value!
I just now seen your video posted 4 months ago good work please make more videos like this you were the only one I ever seen the long range ballistics jail testing
Very impressive, also this channel is the best you guys do some great stuff
Hello from Nashville. My aunt is LDS and I lived in Fredonia, AZ just south of Kanab, UT. I spent 3 months out there. Dude you remind me of the kind folks out there.
Best gel video for rifles yet! Shows real world results
Great video!!! Even better footage!!! Just incredible!!
Excellent video.
I've not seen or heard of anyone else shooting those gel blocks at anything like 600 yrds &, to shoot it 3 times. That's some good shooting there brother.
Good to see you've got the misses running around after your every command. Good stuff. Treat em mean, keep em keen I always say.
I really enjoy the videos you and your wife post, makes me happy. God bless you guys and your marriage.
Great job. You're really coming into your own with added skill and knowledge.
It's great to see you make the same mistakes most of us make. That's realistic. These shots are not easy. You get
Props for taking on a real challenge.
I am from RSA.
Shot many blue wildebeest in my life.
They are tough as hell. I once wounded one using my 375 H&H, never to be seen again. Also witnessed one run over 1km after a bad shot from a 460 Wby.
Shot placement must be spot on with these animals.
Recently shot 3 using 90gr Accubonds in my .243 Win. All head shots between 100m-150m.
Local farmers joke that they sell most wildbeest twice, as most hunters only wound them.
Happens to ALL of us.
.243 is KING in the Midwest in the USA.
Great for varmints on up to the corn fed, white tail deer we have here
@@M240D I got a Winchester model 70 in 243. I love it but haven't gotten anything with it yet.
Baie mooi Gert, daai goed is superhero bokke.
Dankie Joe!
Man your videos are fun and informative. I sure wish we could use suppressors here in Canada.
I took a antelope last year with 6.5 creedmoor and a 140 ELD-M at 562yrds. In behind the left shoulder, out through the right shoulder. 2inch exit wound. No bullet fragments in the meat. If you go on the Hornaday mil/le web page it says the ELD-Ms have excellent terminal ballistic performance. From my experience this is quite accurate. There is just a stigma on the civilian side of using match bullets for hunting. When shot placement is key why wouldn't you want to shoot a more accurate projectile?
This. In a Marine Sniper platoon and all we’d shoot is BTHP. It works great. I hunt with 6.5 cm 147gr ELD-M.
@@thomasford2946 Thomas, as a Marine sniper how effective do you think the Creedmoor would have in a combat/sniper system? I know they've tested the .260 Remington and have some Creedmoor rifles. I was a bit surprised when they recommended a round like they ended up with considering the well known penetration/sectional density of the 6.5 bullet. Thank you for your service.
Yes, ive seen a video comparing the eldm and eldx, and there was little difference on gel
This is prob rhetorical, and common knowledge but I'll put it out here. The eld-x has a slightly thicker jacket and Is a great performer at closer ranges. Tougher, and can handle the higher velocities at closer ranges. On the other hand the m's with a thinner jacket act like the eld-x at the longer ranges and are amazing.
We hunt bear in eastern NC and the eld-x shines out to 400 yards. Past that out to 900 the eld-m is the projectile of choice. That's on thick bear hide, and dense muscle. Not trying to hit any bone except ribs or skull. Using 6.5 prc and 6.5 swede.... which is basically o.g. Creedmoor
“If it don’t got a picture of a deer on the box then it ain’t gonna kill a deer!”- Fudd logic 😂
Great video! Finally someone shooting gel at longer distances.
Great video. Takes theory and puts it into application. Very, very well done.
This may be the best and most useful video you have done. I have been wanting to see some real longer distances shot at the gel for some time now. My max hunting distance I will shoot is 600, so this was perfect. Although I will not be shooting something that lacking in energy at that distance. Would love to see a 145Gr LRX shot at 600 at 32” of gel to compare out of a 28 Nosler or near equivalent.
Amazing shooting. Can't wait to get the 6.5 prc. Doubt I'll ever hit 3 -600 yard shots in a row. Great job. Amazed at penetration .
You are the only person I know that actually shoots a ballistic gel at long range finally I get to see some actual testing in my opinion. I would however like to see the same test, with a standard setup AR-15 16" barrel chambered in 5.56/223 but with both cartridges and M193 & M855 this I need to see besides the fact I don't think it has been done
Excellent shooting man, good work! That's a solid effort for 600.
Thanks, for the video!
The power of Mr. 6.5 is awesome.
thanks for posting this video,
this is real info that all us long rang hunter's like to see.
Great shooting! Being able to trust your ammo is extremely important.
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I never seen nobody done anything like this before..
good job.
Chronograph?! Ha but ok we all slip. Excellent excellent excellent! You do great podcast, this was pluperfect, as far as entertaining and informative! We want more!
I fully understand the groaning while laying prone n getting up. The struggle is real 🤣 I just turned 37 and I'm in decent shape and it is just a part of life 🙃
ELDXs have failed on me every time. I won't use them on anything but paper. I'm glad you've had good luck with them. Thanks for the vid.
Awesome shooting. Cool idea for a video also. I think there’s a reason no one else does long range ballistic tests on gel! Not easy
A 143 gr 6.5 bullet has excellent sectional density so it makes sense you get decent penetration from it. If the bullet exhibits good penetration at high velocity, then it will probably penetrate farther at longer range because lower velocity gives it less expansion, and less expansion equates to less drag slowing the bullet down as it penetrates. That was some good shooting!
SD is king ;)
Awsome video 6.5 creed is Awsome, and you shoot really well,thanks for all the info,and hard work
Fantastic shooting and amazing results
New subscriber here. Great content. Videos aren't forever long of pointless lip smacking. Great enthusiasm and very relevant. Keep up the good work!
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A little tip to try. Configure a small shade canopy over your camera to keep the sun off. Could also even rig up a small solar powered electronics fan. Awesome video!
Thanks for this video I wish more channels would do the same with gel test. Nice shooting
THANK YOU! Your efforts are greatly appreciated B/C I use 6.5 PRC Hornady ELD-X ammo for hunting. I have a 6.5 CM Ruger Precision Rifle for long range (to 1,100 yards) competition and a 6.5 PRC Browning X-Bolt Pro for hunting here in Nevada. This year I've got a Nevada antelope tag and I'm using the 6.5 PRC because I may have to shoot out to 800+ yards on those very wary critters. My scope is a Bushnell Elite LRTS 4.5 - 18 x 44 with a G3 illuminated "small Xmas tree" reticle so I don't have to dial. I use a larger H-59 Xmas tree reticle in my competition scope so I'm used to holding on the hash marks instead of dialing. (Did I mention I DON'T DIAL?;o)
BTW. I will use my hiking poles with the Quick stiX bipod joint which I have found greatly helps with accuracy. Weisner Industries makes this great mechanism which weighs only about 3 or 4 ounces. What an innovative piece of hunting gear!
Very good shooting. Always great having shooting videos in the off hunting season. 6.5 CM good hunting round for medium game and excellent for shooting having mild recoil. Considered getting one but I’m an old timer and sticking with old time .243 since I live and hunt/shoot in the southeast US. Enjoyed video.
We're used to seeing gel get shot at 20m, good to see what happens at range. All those people who say bullets lose energy at longer range, yeah but it'll still do the job.
New subscriber for no other reason than watching your videos and enjoying your infectious enthusiasm. Another reason watching your videos is amazing: you virtually ignore the elephant in the room--your marksmanship! For those of us who can't hit the broadside of a Dakota Barn, you have MAD SKILLS, sir.
Three questions: where in the Southwest are you shooting and filming? Also, are you former military or civilian trained? Finally, knowing how expensive ballistic gel is, do you have a DIY recipe and make your own? Inquiring minds want to know!
Excellent video, and I get the excitement. If you would like…. I guess I’ll say a Second Opinion, the Barbour Creek shooting school channel does lots of tests similar to this one with a LOT of different bullets. Plus they do things like put hide and bone in front of the gel. All interesting data from you both. Cheers.
This content is the best on YT. Thank you Sir!
Great video , I was just as excited as you were with the gel test, do it again and put the other gel block behind the other to catch the bullet .
That's actually super impressive . I didnt think it was going through the full block . Cross is only 18" Barrel which is equally more impressive to have those results .
Nice video bro and nice freaking shooting
Wow !! thanks for the effort in making this, that is just incredible to see at this distance ! If only you had something like an off road capable e-scooter like those Dualtrons to get to the target quickly.
6.5 caliber in general is no joke! I will admit I was skeptical of its ability when I first bought mine. For my wife and kids... he he. Seriously though I have had great success with mine so far. The sectional density and modest velocity of the creedmoor for example makes a round capable of brilliant penetration. Which is what history has taught with other rounds such as the 7x57, 6.5x55, 30-40, and of course the 30-06. All shooting heavy for caliber bullets such as the 175 grain in the 7mm, 160 in 6.5x55, 220s in the 30s mentioned. Obviously you would have to adjust your range at game taken. But above said bullets I would dare even say that they are all legendary, along with a proven time tested track record. All the creedmoor is, is a round built off the shoulders of giants. The 6.5 PRC and creedmoor just being 21st century rounds. 6.5x55 Swedish(creedmoor) 264 Winchester magnum(6.5 PRC) All 4 being good rounds. Good job and good shooting. God bless and take care. Just my humble 2 cents.
Great video! I hunt with a Barrett Fieldcraft in 6.5 creedmoor, currently shooting Hornady eldx 143 grain
Great shots, great work! I shoot Hornady Precision Hunter ELD-X in volume. I've shot over 3 cases in the last couple of years. On average, the muzzle velocity has been about 2550, whereas they advertise 2700. In your testing, you seemed to realize the same thing. Maybe we should all write a letter to HDY. Ha ha. On the other hand, it's extremely accurate and I love it!
I like your video
My only observation would be that “one bullet lost his jacket even at that distance “
I have my doubts about using ELDX’s in my next hunt.
Same reason I don’t use Sierra Game King any more.
Thanks for your research, it’s very helpful.
that is an awesome video and provides great 👍 insight to terminal performance. I hope u do videos on other calibers using this same test and same bullet.
Point very well proven 🥂👍❣️ love this thought & efforts to share great bullet behavior. 👍👍😊
Good shooting! Like you always wondered how a bullet expands at long distance. That you for showing us. And show's that speed is not factor if have the right bullet and hit the vitals. In other words you don't need every bullet screaming at 3000 fps. I always go for shoot ability and accuracy over speed. Grate video.
love your videos and how excited you get:) it's somewhere inspirational!
why don't you have same test with different calibers? 308, 300, 30-06, 5.56; you get the point. youtube will probably hate you, but "we are the people" would love you 👍
I gave my daughter a 6.5 savage precision, not to hunt but for over watch if SHTF. Your video proves I made the right choice!
Awesome test. I’ve been waiting for someone to make a video testing bullets at long range for a while
man admiring his ballistic gel
life doesn't get much better than that