4:00 correct, the glass staircase was removed so the glass skylight could be added. If you have a look at the older e400EVs, which don’t have high spec interior with sky lights, you will see that the glass staircase still exists
What would be really good is if they had a trolley bus version of this bus that had super capacitors instead of batteries and was intended for use on high capacity and high frequency bus routes that mostly ran on electrified guided busways! Also quite a few trams and trains have had cameras instead of mirrors since the early 2010s! Also the glass skylight would double as the roof emergency exit as without it you would need to legally have an ugly conventional emergency exit! :)
If you want to ride on the BYD Double-deck prototype again, there are a couple running on the route 699, which is Monday - Fridays only. Also, if you're wondering what happened to the Enviro 400MMC "Virtual Electrics" that used to run on the 69, one is in operation with UNO (SN65 ZGO) which runs on the route 643 which is Monday - Fridays only.
You should go to Coventry Nat Ex have 130 electric ADL BYD Enviro400EV. They are the first all electric bus city in the UK. They also have a BESS at the depot to help balance the grid and make sure they can charge all the buses for service.
The Go-Ahead models are really quite nice, being quiet is a bonus actually. As for the new interior LCD displays, I don't think they're very good, well the software at least, due to the number of bugs and glitches, but only on the smaller LCD displays on the lower deck, the much newer specification BYD AD Enviro400 City EVs have the lower-deck LCD fitted behind the wheelchair bay/staircase glass instead of above the glass in the same place as the LED display on the standard 400 City/MMC. As for the exterior LED displays, they are all controlled by a Hanover DG3 display controller as opposed to the Mobitec ICU402 display controller & McKenna Brothers' powerblind system on the older buses in London.
I am surprised that the bus in the video has an LED display. TFL has always hated them and stayed with old fashioned blinds. I have always wondered if E-ink displays would be used as they look as clear as a blind, and don't require electricity except for when changing what is displayed.
@@benolifts I think the main reason for TfL not allowing the use of LED displays on their buses is purely down to branding as the 2 main brands of LED displays (Hanover, Mobitec) have not offered displays with a high enough LED density for their corporate typeface to look good. It's also worth noting that the Optare Solos used on the Hampstead Garden Suburb routes were the first London Buses to use LED displays (Mobitec type) in 2018 (apparently the display cabinet on these buses is too small for McKenna Bros.' Powerblind system)
interesting. one gear change? basically no noise apart from the odd rattle which suggests the chassis flex is not as rigid as it could be. pretty cool though and modern. like the sky light
Electric buses don't have a gearbox. As for rattling, It seems at all buses rattle from euro4 onwards. They build buses to be lighter and lighter for efficiency, so I guess they are more flexible. To not heard body rattle you might have to go as far back as the Volvo Citybus and Leyland Titan. Things were built solid back then, with no care for how much fuel they used. Where I live there was a 1978 Titan which ran until 2012. Thats 34 years of service. That is unheard of in the modern day.
@@benolifts long service life. We had mcw metro buses and the odd Leyland national. these got phased out starting in 1997 with the Volvo Alexander double decker taking over until the low floor regs came in then it was the usual Dennis stuff.
The reason why the bus has 4 seat on the back row of the upper and lower decks is so someone can't lie down on the back row and in the TfL buses with a more basic interiors it was done by having a bar to the left on the middle seat but now on more premium TfL interiors its done by not having a middle seat as for buses outside of London it was done mostly so people weren't as cramped on the back on a full bus but also done so people cant lie down and it's one of those features that can be specified to have or not have outside of London but is required by TfL to be able to use the bus on a TfL route
That is interesting. I was thinking it was something to do with fire safety, so that people on the back row can get out quicker if the batteries caught fire.
We have some BYD City buses like this in Greater Manchester, sadly without the glass roof, the rear middle seat and (of course with it being GM) the middle doors but there is an additional wheelchair space. (yay 😂😂) Despite the less seats downstairs it's a decent ride when not on a busy service and they go well on the 40mph roads here.
There are new Electric buses in Norwich. I don't know much about them, as I can't afford to take the bus for a joyride, and they don't serve the routes I occasionally need. All I know that they are really heavy, and are destroying the roads quicker. They have been doing lots of road works in the city centre, maybe to future proof the roads for the heavy busses
Ours in norwich are regular diesel but low emissions and are souped up for very long journeys with a very posh interior. I think you went on one when you went to norwich in one of your last trips
Hey BENO id strongly recommend listening to the motors when it isnt summer or when it isnt hot. The noise your hearing is the AC. Typically whenever its hot the ac is what blanks out the motors. Trust me they are more audiable when that AC fan audio isn't on.
@@benolifts when its cold there doesent seem to be much constant use of the heating although it does turn on at times. Also the 63 bus route seems to have a variation of the ev400s that make a constant whirring noise (fan) or B they are likely just naturally quiter than the other ev400s. 185 and 40 are my other local ev400s from byd. But they are way noticeable from starting acceleration.
I feel tfl don't put the glass staircase on newer models because it's harder or more expensive to put advert banners on the side exterior as it needs to be more custom the the traditional side ad banners. Also the middle seat is a tfl decision I'm sure, not AD's decision.
You mean wigwags? These are for the fire station. These used to have a very rare Mellor wigwag repeated, which is a regular traffic light with blue lights, facing the fire station to show when the wig wags were on. These got replaced a few years ago. I was trying to catch them on the day they were being replaced to ask if I could have one for my collection, but I failed to catch it on the right day. They most likely would have given me one as they have no resell or scrap value.
I didn't know that they had those in Crawley. While hydrogen was a fun futuristic gimmick in London on the RV1, I can't really see it taking off as a mainstream system where huge fleets would be ordered with hydrogen systems. It seems very wasteful as the hydrogen has to be either split from water or a byproduct of another process (which is usually a polluting process, so defeating the entire point). So either the bus garage has to install a hydrogen generator, or they would have to ship in the hydrogen in lorries. This is very wasteful. Even if it is generated on site, the amount of electricity used is not efficient compared with the amount of electricity used to charge a battery. Then there is the safety hazard of having hydrogen tanks everywhere. I can't see hydrogen being the future.
@@benoliftsmetrobus is trying to get a fleet of 97 hydrogen buses all built by wrightbus they've been a storage area for the hydrogen but can't use it because of the HSE not agreeing with it but currently 20 of the buses have been delivered but because the storage problem the most buses that can be out a day is 15, 36 buses are being built and should enter service in a few weeks, the rest have been ordered
I haven't been on them yet. They look stupid. Yet another gimmick bus. Gimmicks have never been a success with buses. The gimmicks like the Boris, Son of Boris, Wright FTR didn't do well. Then there was the Wright Hydrogen and VanHool hydrogen on the RV1, which were later moved to a route on the north circular, which those buses were completely unsuitable for. I hardly see that these pretend tram buses from Irizar will do well. Irizar did not do well in the electric prototype trials. I will try to get on one soon as I have a feeling they wont run for long before being replaced.
I don't like the sound of the Siemens wheel hub motors. It seems that electric buses either have BYD motors or Siemens motors, or whatever Optatre use. This does seem like a real lack of choice. If only electric buses had come out in the early 2000s. Just think how amazing they would have sounded with Kiepe electric motors and VF drive!
@@benolifts the UK caentano EV Busses seem to have the better sounding motor/ transmission noise of the other siemens products which tend to be boring as shit. The caentano busses sound more like class 331s trains, Which use TSA motors and CAF gearboxes which is an anomaly given that seimens uk love to be boring and make their transmission quiet. I noticed too they dampened some of the route master hybrids motor sounds too and you can mostly hear the engine. Siemens uk have the worst sounding motors in my opinion because they are always too quiet. You went to germany and rode the desiro HCs and those were worlds different and better than the UKs hyper stringent , quiet , hyper soft" motors on desiros. I really hate desiro uk sounds. Heck even UKs bombadier went and made boring ass aventras before they gave up their trains. And i agree theres alot of limited stuff. And that busses would sound bettwe with what you described .
@@itsthatsebguy93 Stats indicates an average of 1.2 EV fires per million EV's compared to 1.0 x ICEV fires per 10,000 cars. It may be slightly different for buses, but it's just basic chemistry that batteries are safer.
Any new technology will have issues when it a new thing and still being improved. Look at how many steam trains exploded back when steam was a new thing.
@@itechcircle9410 But ICE cars don't just catch on fire. There are often ignition sources like really hot brakes combined with plastics that aren't rated for the high temperatures
That's absolutely fantastic. The skylight is a great feature.
The prototype is awesome.
"i am an electric bus" 🙂
"DING DONG" 😁
I agree with you totally here, I love electric motors because they pick up torque way quicker than combustion engines on buses
4:00 correct, the glass staircase was removed so the glass skylight could be added. If you have a look at the older e400EVs, which don’t have high spec interior with sky lights, you will see that the glass staircase still exists
What would be really good is if they had a trolley bus version of this bus that had super capacitors instead of batteries and was intended for use on high capacity and high frequency bus routes that mostly ran on electrified guided busways!
Also quite a few trams and trains have had cameras instead of mirrors since the early 2010s! Also the glass skylight would double as the roof emergency exit as without it you would need to legally have an ugly conventional emergency exit! :)
I have seen these new buses out and about and I have been on them. They do look really nice.
the Volvo BZL sounds very similar to that BYD double decker it also has 2 gears which is very rare for electrics as they all have 1 gear
If you want to ride on the BYD Double-deck prototype again, there are a couple running on the route 699, which is Monday - Fridays only. Also, if you're wondering what happened to the Enviro 400MMC "Virtual Electrics" that used to run on the 69, one is in operation with UNO (SN65 ZGO) which runs on the route 643 which is Monday - Fridays only.
You should go to Coventry Nat Ex have 130 electric ADL BYD Enviro400EV.
They are the first all electric bus city in the UK.
They also have a BESS at the depot to help balance the grid and make sure they can charge all the buses for service.
These buses sound exactly like the K9UB's driving around in my area, but with a lot less fan noise!
The Go-Ahead models are really quite nice, being quiet is a bonus actually.
As for the new interior LCD displays, I don't think they're very good, well the software at least, due to the number of bugs and glitches, but only on the smaller LCD displays on the lower deck, the much newer specification BYD AD Enviro400 City EVs have the lower-deck LCD fitted behind the wheelchair bay/staircase glass instead of above the glass in the same place as the LED display on the standard 400 City/MMC. As for the exterior LED displays, they are all controlled by a Hanover DG3 display controller as opposed to the Mobitec ICU402 display controller & McKenna Brothers' powerblind system on the older buses in London.
I am surprised that the bus in the video has an LED display. TFL has always hated them and stayed with old fashioned blinds. I have always wondered if E-ink displays would be used as they look as clear as a blind, and don't require electricity except for when changing what is displayed.
@@benolifts I think the main reason for TfL not allowing the use of LED displays on their buses is purely down to branding as the 2 main brands of LED displays (Hanover, Mobitec) have not offered displays with a high enough LED density for their corporate typeface to look good.
It's also worth noting that the Optare Solos used on the Hampstead Garden Suburb routes were the first London Buses to use LED displays (Mobitec type) in 2018 (apparently the display cabinet on these buses is too small for McKenna Bros.' Powerblind system)
If you want to hear the Byd motor in all of its glory, just remember that the 200ev byd bus se111 running on the 184 exists
BYD prototype clears!
interesting. one gear change? basically no noise apart from the odd rattle which suggests the chassis flex is not as rigid as it could be. pretty cool though and modern. like the sky light
Electric buses don't have a gearbox. As for rattling, It seems at all buses rattle from euro4 onwards. They build buses to be lighter and lighter for efficiency, so I guess they are more flexible. To not heard body rattle you might have to go as far back as the Volvo Citybus and Leyland Titan. Things were built solid back then, with no care for how much fuel they used. Where I live there was a 1978 Titan which ran until 2012. Thats 34 years of service. That is unheard of in the modern day.
@@benolifts long service life. We had mcw metro buses and the odd Leyland national. these got phased out starting in 1997 with the Volvo Alexander double decker taking over until the low floor regs came in then it was the usual Dennis stuff.
@@benoliftsThere are electric bus models with gearboxes, although only 2 speed ones. Volvo BZL’s and Scania C250EB’s have them.
@@benolifts They actaully do but its just 1 gear that transmits the torque to the wheels
The trolleybuses in Seattle sound like they’ve got an engine even though they are electric
probably is a combustion engine so yes
@@oforid2227they are TROLLEYBUSES, they have no engine. They run on electricity
The reason why the bus has 4 seat on the back row of the upper and lower decks is so someone can't lie down on the back row and in the TfL buses with a more basic interiors it was done by having a bar to the left on the middle seat but now on more premium TfL interiors its done by not having a middle seat as for buses outside of London it was done mostly so people weren't as cramped on the back on a full bus but also done so people cant lie down and it's one of those features that can be specified to have or not have outside of London but is required by TfL to be able to use the bus on a TfL route
That is interesting. I was thinking it was something to do with fire safety, so that people on the back row can get out quicker if the batteries caught fire.
The crazy prototype BYD buses are still around. They operate on some school services in Hertfordshire.
We have some BYD City buses like this in Greater Manchester, sadly without the glass roof, the rear middle seat and (of course with it being GM) the middle doors but there is an additional wheelchair space. (yay 😂😂)
Despite the less seats downstairs it's a decent ride when not on a busy service and they go well on the 40mph roads here.
Why does Alexander Dennis make both the 400 and 500? Aside from the 400 having 2 axles and the 500 having 3, are there any real differences?
The number of axels is a big difference, and the Enviro 500 is longer.
You should check out the EPs on the 132, it runs from North Greenwich to Bexleyheath and goes on the A2 so it can reach 50
There are new Electric buses in Norwich. I don't know much about them, as I can't afford to take the bus for a joyride, and they don't serve the routes I occasionally need. All I know that they are really heavy, and are destroying the roads quicker. They have been doing lots of road works in the city centre, maybe to future proof the roads for the heavy busses
Ours in norwich are regular diesel but low emissions and are souped up for very long journeys with a very posh interior. I think you went on one when you went to norwich in one of your last trips
Hey BENO id strongly recommend listening to the motors when it isnt summer or when it isnt hot. The noise your hearing is the AC. Typically whenever its hot the ac is what blanks out the motors.
Trust me they are more audiable when that AC fan audio isn't on.
When it is cold isn't there fans that blow warm air around the bus?
@@benolifts when its cold there doesent seem to be much constant use of the heating although it does turn on at times.
Also the 63 bus route seems to have a variation of the ev400s that make a constant whirring noise (fan) or B they are likely just naturally quiter than the other ev400s. 185 and 40 are my other local ev400s from byd. But they are way noticeable from starting acceleration.
I feel tfl don't put the glass staircase on newer models because it's harder or more expensive to put advert banners on the side exterior as it needs to be more custom the the traditional side ad banners. Also the middle seat is a tfl decision I'm sure, not AD's decision.
As always, old is gold
Nah not the ones that just sputter out smoke and are boiling inside the bus, in my opinion the Enviro 200 MMC is the best
Why are there wigwams in 5:51 on both sides of the junction where there aren't any railway tracks?
You mean wigwags? These are for the fire station. These used to have a very rare Mellor wigwag repeated, which is a regular traffic light with blue lights, facing the fire station to show when the wig wags were on. These got replaced a few years ago. I was trying to catch them on the day they were being replaced to ask if I could have one for my collection, but I failed to catch it on the right day. They most likely would have given me one as they have no resell or scrap value.
There are alot of these buses in Coventry.
Coventry is the first fully electric bus city in the UK
There is already alot of BYD E400City all over the UK in several places
You should try the new hydroliner buses on the crawley fastway they have great acceleration and are really fast!
I didn't know that they had those in Crawley. While hydrogen was a fun futuristic gimmick in London on the RV1, I can't really see it taking off as a mainstream system where huge fleets would be ordered with hydrogen systems. It seems very wasteful as the hydrogen has to be either split from water or a byproduct of another process (which is usually a polluting process, so defeating the entire point). So either the bus garage has to install a hydrogen generator, or they would have to ship in the hydrogen in lorries. This is very wasteful. Even if it is generated on site, the amount of electricity used is not efficient compared with the amount of electricity used to charge a battery. Then there is the safety hazard of having hydrogen tanks everywhere. I can't see hydrogen being the future.
@@benoliftsmetrobus is trying to get a fleet of 97 hydrogen buses all built by wrightbus they've been a storage area for the hydrogen but can't use it because of the HSE not agreeing with it but currently 20 of the buses have been delivered but because the storage problem the most buses that can be out a day is 15, 36 buses are being built and should enter service in a few weeks, the rest have been ordered
Have you been on the new irzar tram buses on the 358
I haven't been on them yet. They look stupid. Yet another gimmick bus. Gimmicks have never been a success with buses. The gimmicks like the Boris, Son of Boris, Wright FTR didn't do well. Then there was the Wright Hydrogen and VanHool hydrogen on the RV1, which were later moved to a route on the north circular, which those buses were completely unsuitable for. I hardly see that these pretend tram buses from Irizar will do well. Irizar did not do well in the electric prototype trials. I will try to get on one soon as I have a feeling they wont run for long before being replaced.
They havent been introduced yet.
@@benoliftsThey're not in service yet, the lovely 295bhp citaros are still running
they're good these are on the 43 it's so fucking good
Can you try and ride some Superloop buses for a video (I think the SL1 has the BYD E400 City running on them)
The SL1 uses hybrid cities, not electrics
@@LuperSoop69 oh right
Didn't expect this to be in Gravesend aha
I prefer the NB4L Design on the Enviro 400EV City
Will you ever visit the USA
Not sure
hey austin this is guys
Ugggggh not you again🙄😑
Have you been on the new Volvo BZL Electric buses?
Not yet
BYD just now be Burn Your Decker!
sutton has alot of electric bus routes
Was this filmed in Gravesend
Yep
Why did you put a streetdeck on thumbnail
BYD buses have bad quality at least in Finland. I will be surprised if those London buses will be in use after 10 years.
We've got single deck wrightbus gb kites in Southampton and their not as good as these.
No outro
The bodywork of Enviro EV is built by ADL, bodies built by BYD are fugly though.
I believe BYD and ADL have gone their own ways going forward
The best sounding caentano EVs that run the p5 and C10 London bus routesm they have a better version of the routemasters motor/transmission noise
I don't like the sound of the Siemens wheel hub motors. It seems that electric buses either have BYD motors or Siemens motors, or whatever Optatre use. This does seem like a real lack of choice. If only electric buses had come out in the early 2000s. Just think how amazing they would have sounded with Kiepe electric motors and VF drive!
@@benolifts networker electric bus when
@@benolifts the UK caentano EV Busses seem to have the better sounding motor/ transmission noise of the other siemens products which tend to be boring as shit. The caentano busses sound more like class 331s trains, Which use TSA motors and CAF gearboxes which is an anomaly given that seimens uk love to be boring and make their transmission quiet.
I noticed too they dampened some of the route master hybrids motor sounds too and you can mostly hear the engine.
Siemens uk have the worst sounding motors in my opinion because they are always too quiet. You went to germany and rode the desiro HCs and those were worlds different and better than the UKs hyper stringent , quiet , hyper soft" motors on desiros. I really hate desiro uk sounds. Heck even UKs bombadier went and made boring ass aventras before they gave up their trains.
And i agree theres alot of limited stuff. And that busses would sound bettwe with what you described .
12:08
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Until now I didn't notice the whine the byd motors make when decelerating.
These busses are pretty neat until the lithium battery explodes in flames.
A lot less likely than diesel.
@@itechcircle9410 You can literally take a naked flame to Diesel and it won't ignite.
@@itsthatsebguy93 Stats indicates an average of 1.2 EV fires per million EV's compared to 1.0 x ICEV fires per 10,000 cars. It may be slightly different for buses, but it's just basic chemistry that batteries are safer.
Any new technology will have issues when it a new thing and still being improved. Look at how many steam trains exploded back when steam was a new thing.
@@itechcircle9410 But ICE cars don't just catch on fire. There are often ignition sources like really hot brakes combined with plastics that aren't rated for the high temperatures
I am electric bus
Who text that???????? lol
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