@ eh nah man. Talent gets you hype in this league. Biggest names are Mahomes and Lamar by far. It’s not the 80s anymore. Trevor is just bad and on an even worse team.
@@kool4209lol bro when people are calling you the goat before you’ve even proven yourself then the pressure you face is high from the expectations set. Anyone who lets that charge their ego is gonna do well.
The #1 draft pick always goes to the worst team the previous season. It takes more than one player to turn a team around. That’s why late choices like Brady and Rogers find more success.
@@geoffmonzingo9748 yeah but this is the Jags we’re talking about. They genuinely thought Urban Meyer would be the turnaround coach in TLaw’s rookie season. They’re the worst run org in the league
@@geoffmonzingo9748 Mahomes had a genuine playoff contender team and was able to sit a year behind good qb to learn from and have really good coach on top of that in an organisation that actually wants to win stuff. So yeah, he isnt in the same category. But also lawrence is quite terrible from what I have heard in terms of drive and wanting to win, so he might not be working as hard to get better and it definitely shows.
@@geoffmonzingo9748the team has a big reason. Baker turned the browns around then regressed then he was considered a bust and now he’s back on the rise again
I don’t think he’s a bad player, but very inconsistent and is definitely not worth the contract. He could probably benefit from a change of scenery tbh.
Yea the talent and the size of the players and then strength of the players the training the experience just the grown men who are almost 30 have a step up on the young 20 year old's fresh otta ncca
I knew a guy that played in college and was actually on an NFL practice squad for a little while. He said the gap between your average college players and an NFL player is the gap between your average high school players and your average college player.
The college system is so much different than the NFL. The NFL is a salary cap league that favors good ownership and a top notch gm. College is based on recruiting great players and five star college quarterbacks get wooed by coaches who can surround them with four and five star players. The NFL has the best of the best players coming out of college. It seems like great college quarterbacks are a victim of their own success playing for winning high schools and colleges. They get all the hype coming out of school and get drafted high by bad teams. They get pushed into playing before they're ready and it ruins a lot of them. These guys have been winners all of their lives and the NFL is oftentimes their first taste of playing on a losing team. Let's try to put this another way. Trevor never played on a bad team until he got to the professional level. Patrick Mahomes didn't play for a powerhouse high school. He wasn't recruited by a powerhouse college. He played for a team with no NFL caliber talent and the 128th ranked defense. His college defense averaged giving up 42 points a game. Even though Mahomes didn't win a lot of games, he was the only thing that made his team competitive. Coming into the draft Mahomes didn't get too much hype, yet his talent caught the eye of Brett Veach who kept bugging Andy Reid to draft him. The Chiefs already had a solid quarterbacks and they were a playoff caliber team. They had the luxury to be able to let Mahomes sit behind Alex Smith for a year and Alex molded him into an NFL quarterback. Mahomes actually got a chance to play with a good team. I'm not saying it's everything but Mahomes came into the pros from a very mediocre college, was always playing from behind and he's a sick competitor
As a Jags fan who has watched every game of his career...the problem with Trevor is that he does NOT inspire his teammates with belief that we always have a chance....he is very inconsistent...at times very inaccuarate...has bad pocket awareness...and other than that stretch in late 2022 when we all thought he got over the hump - the dude just does NOT come through late in games when we really need it...he is NOT a Clutch 4Q Game Winning qb. I am not saying he is a bust...I am saying that he does NOT play up to his draft status or contract....and yeah our line stinks and Playcalling is weird...but ALOT of Trevor's mistakes are ON HIM. He is slightly above average in my opinion...with streaks of lousy play and streaks of good play...and will NEVER be elite until he starts WINNING games at the end...dude almost NEVER plays above the game situation at the time.
He probably knows he’ll never again experience the high of beating Alabama when he was in college. But as far as he’s concerned he’s set anyway. $525M for five years off the coattails of his college career means he’ll get the last laugh.
The Jaguars front office would have botched it. Trevor could be on a $0 contract and the front office would still put the worst possible players on defense and O-Line.
I saw a recent article where the author said he thought that Trevor Lawrence was a better quarterback than Lamar Jackson. Lawrence has zero Heisman trophies, zero NFL MVP's, and is 22-37 as a NFL starter. Lamar Jackson has one Heisman trophy, two NFL MVP's, and is 64-22 as a NFL starter. In what way is Trevor Lawrence a better quarterback than Lamar Jackson?
1) Trevor’s skin tone plays apart 2) they’re also saying Trevor has a higher ceiling than Lamar just due to all of Trevor’s accomplishments from a freshmen to college.
@@daywalker6847yeah it’s totally a race thing and there is nothing else at play here. It’s 100% black and white, the writer totally could not have factored in potential ceiling, any stats while taking into account the major disparity in the teams they are playing for and the skill of the players they are surrounded by and countless other considerations. It can only be race. People have different opinions about everything except whether Jackson is better than Lawrence. That is unanimous. That writer is a racist. You don’t have a chip on your shoulder, and I am sure that even though you are not a sports journalist you must know more about football and both players than a professional. What a dirt bag racist.
He is good, the problem is he got drafted by the Jags. At Clemson he had a solid team around him and that’s not the case at the Jags, if he goes elsewhere to any other team that actually has a bit of chemistry then he’ll turn into the player he’s been touted to be
2:37 I swear every highlight shown here is just an amazing play by a position player or a wide open player because of the play-call. No wonder Lawrence is struggling in the NFL.
@@31mburmissing the playoffs in two consecutive years after giving the chiefs a run for their money in year 2. Trevor has TWO wins since the 2023 collapse. TWO. And it’s not like he’s throwing 30 touchdowns and playing turnover free football either. If that isn’t struggling idk what is.
@@lvxtu3472 technically they haven’t missed the playoffs yet, and the team did nothing to improve the roster after 23. Watch him play, don’t box score scout.
@@31mburhe’s a great college player because colleges had a lot of bad played mixed with great players. In the NFL he should be nothing more than a 2nd or 3rd string, which he will be within a few years.
He’s just an average QB in the NFL I didn’t believe in the hype at all when he played at Clemson. It’s all comes down to work ethic and how bad he wanted to improve year by year. He doesn’t seem interested or love the game since now he got his bag.
Tee worker really hard in some of these clips to get open or turn a small gain into a huge one. I saw several throws that were great college throws that are incompletions or interceptions in NFL. He needs to be more accurate
Well as a jets fan you should actually be happy with Lawrence because he is a massive improvement over any QB you guys have had since Joe Namath quite frankly He’s not a great qb But he’s way better than Rodgers is currently
He said it himself in the SI interview. He doesn't play like he has got a chip on his shoulder. He doesn't play like he has to prove somebody wrong, or he has to do more, or he has to be better. His father says, “He’s not award-driven. He’s not, ‘I want to win a Super Bowl at all costs.’ ” In short, he doesn't need to improve. He doesn't need to win games specially now that he's the 2nd highest paid QB. He is content being mediocre and losing. So yeah, he is overrated. 😂
Dude is averaging 3900 yards, 63.6 cmp %, 20TDs, 12 INTs with 300 rushing yards, 3 rush TDs and an 85.8 rating per season.. is he living up to his Expectations and hype?? No.. but it’s really good considering it’s all on one of the worst teams in the last few years.. not to mention he had the worst HC in nfl history his rookie year..
There's a women a few roads down from me that looks like Trevor Lawrence so much that she probably could be mistaken for his sister 😂 she looks just like him in the face with the long hair 😂
Trevor is not a 3-10 quarterback he is very good he has been doing some amazing stuff the last few games. The thing that is letting him down really bad is the drops and defense. Trevor lost a TD in bears game cause of Gabe davis, he has had his WRs fail him fumbling the ball multiple times and his defense is letting up 20+ points per game. Trevor made a amazing throw this last game he played which got cut short by a defensive mistake he has some of the worst play calling of any headcoach watch some Jaguars games and see Trevor doing his best to carry the team and having every aspect of his team let him down it's actually depressing how much hate T-Law gets even though he gets destroyed by his team. He wasn't great the first few games but he has cleaned up a lot of fumbles and ints
He hasn't had much help since getting to jacksonville. Weak wr room, bad coaching, horrid oline, etc. Press taylor is a god awful play caller too. Not that lawrence is innocent, but not many qbs would have succeeded in jacksonville. I expect he'll be a good qb though
They picked up Calvin Ridley just let him go if they had him they would do way better like last year now they double teaming Christian Kirk now because he they only big threat and Evan engram went back too his giants days he needs more weapons too get open😌😊
@@qexz1 yeah that true but they been double team Christian Kirk a lot last season they didn't that much I don't why they double team him more this season 😊😌
It has a lot to do with the coaching he received at Clemson. He had natural talent but was woefully unprepared for the struggles of playing in the NFL. Expectations far exceeded his ability to deliver and it destroyed him. Too much money, not enough internal grit and not enough experience in overcoming adversity and not enough desire to beat the crap out of the opposing team. He's like scores of exceptional talent in HS and college where they excelled with few adversities and did not develop the gritty killer instinct needed to play in the NFL.
Yep, the same thing happened to Carson Wentz, but on a much smaller scale. Dude faced very little struggle in college, being the big fish in a small pond situation at North Dakota, so he never learned that drive, he never fixed his mechanics and it gave him a God complex the likes of which I haven't seen in sports in a while at that point. With Doug Pederson also as his coach, I don't have a lot of hope for Lawrence's future career.
2021 QB class might be the most disappointing of all time. 1. Lawrence 2. Zach WIlson 3. Trey Lance 11. Justin Fields 15. Mac Jones 3 seasons later, Lawrence is the last man standing - on the verge of collapse
Trevor isn't as bad as people say, he just hasn't been generational, but the Jags really never gave him a chance to be generational. Weather its having the worst combined staff and roster maybe ever as a rookie entering the NFL, or having the worst D 2 years in a row, or leading the NFL in points lost on drops every single year he's been in the league by an absolute mile every year(and no its not even remotely close). He should have 14 TDs this year, but instead he has 9. And despite everyone saying he cant throw, he grades out as the best deep ball thrower in the NFL 3 years in a row. No he hasn't been a god, but the Jags are gonna Jag and it'll be an absolute miracle if Trevor can overcome that.
Actually, not being good in the NFL's worst division is that much more of a strike against him. Imagine Lawrence being in the NFC or AFC North, he'd get eaten alive.
I don’t think Trevor has the mentality of a Baker and especially a Geno.Smith; to sign and be a backup for years to get another chance to be a starter/franchise QB. Once his confidence is gone, he gets benched and isn’t the QB1 anymore, I can’t see that being good for a dude like him.
As a Carolina fan (both CFB & NFL), I can say that Lawrence is def talented & I’ve been a fan of his game since he played for the Tigers. I can give credit when it’s due & Lawrence def has the potential to win big in the league. The talent & potential is there, they both speak for themselves. Just give him some time & I’m sure he’ll prosper
To be fair. His first head coach was retired and picking up college coed’s after a loss. His current coach first season was good and made it to the AFC Divisional Round of the playoffs. Last season started strong but he got injured and that is when things started to fall apart. This season they are losing close games so something is off.
its the organization, how many quarterbacks have the jacksonville jaguars gone through in the last few years? I dont even need to search online to know the answer. If he was drafted to a competent organization, like the green bay packers he would succeed. Talent aqcuisition, development, playcalling to their strengths, all play a role in the players production.
Nothing really happened. He's not a bad QB but he had a great Clemson team and he didn't have to pick up any slack. He's adapting to the NFL just fine.
He is just another college phenom that can’t replicate their success because the NFL is truly next level. He will have to up his game to be consistently elite at the pro level. Some do, many don’t. Time will tell.
It feels the full reason trevor lawrence is failing is because he is not on good teams he has always been with bad teams because of his draft pick he got screwed
I think it’s his offensive coordinator. They are loaded with talent. I’m a bills fan and when I watched the All-22 of the bills jags game, the offense is so basic it’s sad. The wideouts can’t get schemed open. The line doesn’t block. Its vanilla and elementary. It’s just ugly. You have etienne, bigsby, engram, Kirk, Davis, and that rookie Brian Thomas Jr is clearly the real deal. And Trevor is a good QB. They have one of the best wide receiver coach and one of the best rb coach in the game. But Doug Peterson and press Taylor’s offense is flat. So flat.
I think this is yet another example of the jump being a very real thing. The hype machine can get insane sometimes but we see the hype machine go to work on most QB classes every single year. Inevitably someone comes out of nowhere in the off season to be a first round pick. Where you go is also key to success and performance the jags like many teams have had problems developing QBs
Its their offensive line. The pass protection is not good and no room to run for rbs. Travis Etienne is the bigger problem then lawrence. Hes not making those big plays anymore.
Growing up I realized some time in the 2010s that number 1 picks are rarely generational talents and rarely even close .In nfl Trevor Lawrence was a great example of this where it felt like they told us he’d be the number 1 pick since he was in high school and it seems like they made sure their media projections would come through. I saw the same thing with Zion Williamson in the nba both extremely over rated and have yet to live up to a 1/4 of the hype. It seems as if the media is deciding who to tell us is good and we should believe it no matter what we see, sad part is all that media support goes blank once they do make it to the leagues.
NFL teams don’t develop quarterbacks anymore. I mean Brock Purday has been successful because he is in a quarterback friendly system with a solid offensive line and running game to protect him. Getting pounded into oblivion by a grown ass man pass rush will change the way you do things and you get blamed. Build the team then get the quarterback
The fact that he went to Jacksonville is what has been a slow decline in Trevor Lawrence. Many were concerned that he would possibly struggle due to going to a terrible Jaguars team.
he’s still a good player with potential to be a top 10 qb but man the jags are a mess… Still disappointed considering he was supposed to be generational and we’ve seen guys come in recently like Daniels and Stroud turn around bad teams quickly.
The problem is that he isn't truly committed to football. He had all the skill in the world since high school, but if you listen to what he has said off the field, even since the elite 11 - he isn't truly commited. I mean, he does enough and has enough skill to be a starting QB in the NFL...but he isn't "all-in" on football, which means he will never be "great"
Jaguars happened. There are a ton of great quarterbacks, particularly with the rule changes that protect them so much. Lawrence is somewhere between the 10th and 20th best quarterback in the NFL- top .001% of the sport. Mahomes, Allen, Hurts, Goff, Burrow, Lamar, Dak, Herbert, Cousins, Mayfield, Love, Rodgers... Young guys are great too. The Jaguars already almost have sufficient quarterback play to win a Superbowl, they need a better overall roster and better coaching.
Man nfl fans always talking about how much “help” a qb needs , when in reality , if Yu need that much help then Yu might not be as good as Yu should be . Everytime one of these young qbs gets “help” they dnt win , mahomes and Lamar win help or no help
I don’t think you understand how important coaching and players are. It’s a damn team sport bro and a QB can’t just win a game every time when surrounded by garbage coaches and players... Mahomes and Lamar have literally had the same high tier coaches their ENTIRE career. Not to mention Baltimores elite defense year in and year out.
@@brandonr737 I think you misunderstood how much a QB is suppose to be in charge of, Tom and Peyton had different coaches and they took care of their business. I’m aware of how important the structure of a team is , all I’m saying is he gets as much of the blame if not more as the Gm, Owner, and coach
Lamar only has regular season achievements and has an incredible team and coaching staff. Mahomes has possibly the best coach ever and his team this year might be his worst squad hes ever played with but he's still got a great team around him
i just wanna put it out there that as of week 8 he has better or simalar stats to a bunch of "elite" qbs like a better qbr, completion percentage, less interceptions, same amount of touchdowns, yet yall call him bad, you have obviously never watched him play in your lives, sure his team is awful, but he doesnt control coaching or defence, he has not had an amazing season, but its far from bad, numbers dont lie and trevor lawrence has really solid numbers, maybe not quite highest paid qaurterback numbers, but also not bad numbers
People tend to forget in college you have the top prospects for your respective position playing with you and most games are played against colleges without top talent. Not to downplay it since any of us couldn't do it but we see it time and time again with the college to nfl transition.
I mean, there are much worse QBs than Lawrence starting right now. I’m just saying that his “generational potential” that everyone saw coming out of college isn’t what it seems currently
Some guys, actually a lot, don't translate to the NFL and Trevor Lawrence is one of those guys! He's always thrown the ball high and almost got one of his receivers killed in the LSU championship game with 'high throws'. People and the disgusting media need to cease blaming coaches for these players that don't prosper!
Both of those games @ minute mark were both won by the defense, a pick six against Dallas and a strip sack for a TD against the Titans against their backup quarterback.
I actually dont think everyone was sure he was a generational talent. Joe Burrow was, Andrew Luck was, but I think a lot of scouts were cautious, even with a national title.
I played QB on a pretty good varsity team my Jr. and Sr. years at Astronaut H.S. in '74 and '75. My Dad played QB at West Point and was the O.C. my two years as the starter. I'm certainly not in Trevor's class of athletes, as I am 5'10" on a good day and played at 160 lbs, but I watched a lot of the 22 film with my Dad and learned to read defenses and felt comfortable trying to take advantage of their vulnerabilities on the field. Along the way I watched a LOT of film of the great college and NFL QB's just studying them. I knew Trevor had a great career at Clemson but with all the talk of him being a "generational talent", and sure-fire All-Star NFL QB, I went back and looked at the film/video of his college play. The only QB's I have ever seen in college that I thought were guaranteed to be stars in the NFL, were Joe Namath, Jim Plunkett, John Elway, Dan Marino, Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. All of them jump off the screen in their biggest games in college as good or better than anyone in the NFL at that time. I just did not see greatness in Trevor...i see a big kid with a good (not great) arm, with a nice (but not laser fast) release and a good (not great) ability to run and good (not great) accuracy. To my eyes he would be a question mark as to how he would develop/adapt to the NFL.
I love football but it is to much of a team sport. Like lol. You could look really bad at qb without a number of things and people Wil stil ignore it. The line has to be subpar at least. Tight end and receivers can't be to mediocre. At least get a line first and foremost. Football is to much of a team sport. 😂😂
Sometimes is doesn’t matter how good you are, some NFL teams just seem incapable of providing the right environment, like the Browns, Jets, and even the Titans. The Lions used to be that team, I can see the Jags doing similar soon
The #1 draft pick typically goes to the team with the worst record from the previous season, but it takes more than a single player to transform a struggling team. That’s why later picks, like Brady and Rodgers, often end up finding greater success-they land in more stable environments where they can develop and thrive.
I’d like to see a dramatized adaptation of Urban Meyer’s downfall. In particular, to present the contrast in barking orders at college students and what happens when you treat grown-ass men the same way.
Nothing happened to him. He was in a college system surrounded by stars who played against mostly high school level talent while in college. Like the majority of CFB "stars", he got exposed in the NFL. Meanwhile, players like Josh Allen who hail from a school like Wyoming, ball out. Because you can't hide behind other college stars in Wyoming.
Yeah, it’s Clemson. Playing Furman (whoever that is). And now he’s with Jacksonville, (not an organization known for building champions). Not a big mystery.
I can tell you what happened, he got drafted to Jacksonville.
He is Wyte and big so the media will hype him up. He's a scrub
@ eh nah man. Talent gets you hype in this league. Biggest names are Mahomes and Lamar by far. It’s not the 80s anymore.
Trevor is just bad and on an even worse team.
@@RUTHLESSambition5 Imagine being such a pathetic loser that you make everything about race. Your life must be miserable.
Jags fan here. Can confirm.
That will do it
These kids are callled Goats by media before they even step on nfl practice field, the bar is set super high.
It’s definitely a lot of pressure and why they have therapists even in college.
No 😂😂😂 it’s y’all letting these overhyped players flood their egos to think they don’t need improvement or adaptation.
They were winning when Doug called plays
You gotta pump hype or we don’t click on their articles. Pretty much everything is extreme or bust.
@@kool4209lol bro when people are calling you the goat before you’ve even proven yourself then the pressure you face is high from the expectations set. Anyone who lets that charge their ego is gonna do well.
The #1 draft pick always goes to the worst team the previous season. It takes more than one player to turn a team around. That’s why late choices like Brady and Rogers find more success.
Good ones turn it around. Peyton Manning year 2, Joe Burrow same, Patrick Mahomes, Andrew Luck, Justin Herbert, CJ Stroud, Jayden Daniels
@@geoffmonzingo9748 yeah but this is the Jags we’re talking about. They genuinely thought Urban Meyer would be the turnaround coach in TLaw’s rookie season. They’re the worst run org in the league
@@geoffmonzingo9748 Mahomes had a genuine playoff contender team and was able to sit a year behind good qb to learn from and have really good coach on top of that in an organisation that actually wants to win stuff. So yeah, he isnt in the same category. But also lawrence is quite terrible from what I have heard in terms of drive and wanting to win, so he might not be working as hard to get better and it definitely shows.
@@geoffmonzingo9748the team has a big reason. Baker turned the browns around then regressed then he was considered a bust and now he’s back on the rise again
Is that why?
I don’t think he’s a bad player, but very inconsistent and is definitely not worth the contract. He could probably benefit from a change of scenery tbh.
Real shit 💯💯💯
He's in one of the worst franchises of all time lmao. He needs a new team
Yup. Jared Goff is a perfect example of what you said.
"very inconsistent" is exactly what you don't want in your franchise QB.
he trashhhhh if he was black he wont even have a job ahahha nice blonde hair sure get a nice paycheque suckinggggggggg lolzz
The difference between college & NFL is a huge gap.
Yea the talent and the size of the players and then strength of the players the training the experience just the grown men who are almost 30 have a step up on the young 20 year old's fresh otta ncca
I knew a guy that played in college and was actually on an NFL practice squad for a little while. He said the gap between your average college players and an NFL player is the gap between your average high school players and your average college player.
The college system is so much different than the NFL. The NFL is a salary cap league that favors good ownership and a top notch gm. College is based on recruiting great players and five star college quarterbacks get wooed by coaches who can surround them with four and five star players. The NFL has the best of the best players coming out of college. It seems like great college quarterbacks are a victim of their own success playing for winning high schools and colleges. They get all the hype coming out of school and get drafted high by bad teams. They get pushed into playing before they're ready and it ruins a lot of them. These guys have been winners all of their lives and the NFL is oftentimes their first taste of playing on a losing team.
Let's try to put this another way. Trevor never played on a bad team until he got to the professional level. Patrick Mahomes didn't play for a powerhouse high school. He wasn't recruited by a powerhouse college. He played for a team with no NFL caliber talent and the 128th ranked defense. His college defense averaged giving up 42 points a game. Even though Mahomes didn't win a lot of games, he was the only thing that made his team competitive. Coming into the draft Mahomes didn't get too much hype, yet his talent caught the eye of Brett Veach who kept bugging Andy Reid to draft him. The Chiefs already had a solid quarterbacks and they were a playoff caliber team. They had the luxury to be able to let Mahomes sit behind Alex Smith for a year and Alex molded him into an NFL quarterback. Mahomes actually got a chance to play with a good team.
I'm not saying it's everything but Mahomes came into the pros from a very mediocre college, was always playing from behind and he's a sick competitor
@@francisdasta8646yo homie take Mahomes D out of your mouth.
DQ slime dub
As a Jags fan who has watched every game of his career...the problem with Trevor is that he does NOT inspire his teammates with belief that we always have a chance....he is very inconsistent...at times very inaccuarate...has bad pocket awareness...and other than that stretch in late 2022 when we all thought he got over the hump - the dude just does NOT come through late in games when we really need it...he is NOT a Clutch 4Q Game Winning qb. I am not saying he is a bust...I am saying that he does NOT play up to his draft status or contract....and yeah our line stinks and Playcalling is weird...but ALOT of Trevor's mistakes are ON HIM. He is slightly above average in my opinion...with streaks of lousy play and streaks of good play...and will NEVER be elite until he starts WINNING games at the end...dude almost NEVER plays above the game situation at the time.
Wasn’t his fault today tho
Well said
This!
He probably knows he’ll never again experience the high of beating Alabama when he was in college. But as far as he’s concerned he’s set anyway. $525M for five years off the coattails of his college career means he’ll get the last laugh.
I disagree that he’s above average.. that would mean he’s in the top 16 QBs, and he’s just not..
He’s a good player but not worth $275 million💀They could’ve use some of that money to boost up their O-Line and defense.
The Jaguars front office would have botched it. Trevor could be on a $0 contract and the front office would still put the worst possible players on defense and O-Line.
Yup
Should have given him a baker contract
He throws the ball so hard that nobody can catch it. How many of his passes just sail out of bounds or beyond the end zone?
I saw a recent article where the author said he thought that Trevor Lawrence
was a better quarterback than Lamar Jackson.
Lawrence has zero Heisman trophies, zero NFL MVP's, and is 22-37 as a NFL starter.
Lamar Jackson has one Heisman trophy, two NFL MVP's, and is 64-22 as a NFL starter.
In what way is Trevor Lawrence a better quarterback than Lamar Jackson?
1) Trevor’s skin tone plays apart
2) they’re also saying Trevor has a higher ceiling than Lamar just due to all of Trevor’s accomplishments from a freshmen to college.
@@daywalker6847yeah it’s totally a race thing and there is nothing else at play here. It’s 100% black and white, the writer totally could not have factored in potential ceiling, any stats while taking into account the major disparity in the teams they are playing for and the skill of the players they are surrounded by and countless other considerations. It can only be race.
People have different opinions about everything except whether Jackson is better than Lawrence. That is unanimous. That writer is a racist. You don’t have a chip on your shoulder, and I am sure that even though you are not a sports journalist you must know more about football and both players than a professional. What a dirt bag racist.
In no way is Trevor better than Lamar unless I guess you count his hair.
@@mbrownie22his hair isn’t better than Lamar’s either😂
You don’t need a great QB to win. The pats won a lot of rings with some dude who was basically an UDFA slinging the rock. Tom something-or-other.
He is good, the problem is he got drafted by the Jags. At Clemson he had a solid team around him and that’s not the case at the Jags, if he goes elsewhere to any other team that actually has a bit of chemistry then he’ll turn into the player he’s been touted to be
he played against pathetic competition 98% of the time in college.
Stop it. He has plenty of talent. He just sucks.
2:37 I swear every highlight shown here is just an amazing play by a position player or a wide open player because of the play-call.
No wonder Lawrence is struggling in the NFL.
Define “struggling”
@@31mburmissing the playoffs in two consecutive years after giving the chiefs a run for their money in year 2.
Trevor has TWO wins since the 2023 collapse. TWO. And it’s not like he’s throwing 30 touchdowns and playing turnover free football either. If that isn’t struggling idk what is.
@@lvxtu3472 technically they haven’t missed the playoffs yet, and the team did nothing to improve the roster after 23. Watch him play, don’t box score scout.
@@31mbur just watch him play in the NFL. If you want an answer to your question, simply open your eyes.
@@31mburhe’s a great college player because colleges had a lot of bad played mixed with great players. In the NFL he should be nothing more than a 2nd or 3rd string, which he will be within a few years.
He has talent, but its clear he hasn't been training well off the pitch, especially with WRs, leading to all those dropped balls.
He’s just an average QB in the NFL I didn’t believe in the hype at all when he played at Clemson. It’s all comes down to work ethic and how bad he wanted to improve year by year. He doesn’t seem interested or love the game since now he got his bag.
You sure
Lol you dont know football
@@Sonny2Solidhe probably thought Tim Tebow a Grade A prospect lol
Tee worker really hard in some of these clips to get open or turn a small gain into a huge one. I saw several throws that were great college throws that are incompletions or interceptions in NFL.
He needs to be more accurate
Exactly 😢😢
As a jets fan I’m suddenly not so upset about missing out on him that whole draft class was a nightmare for QBs
It's because of organization. NY jets, Chicago bears, jaguars. It's not QB. It's organization.
Superman could go to the Jets and turn to shit. As a Jets fan, you shouldn’t expect anything but crap.
@@bigwaidave4865I was going to say something along those lines and I’m glad someone else did.
Well as a jets fan you should actually be happy with Lawrence because he is a massive improvement over any QB you guys have had since Joe Namath quite frankly He’s not a great qb But he’s way better than Rodgers is currently
How’s Zach Wilson 😅
He said it himself in the SI interview. He doesn't play like he has got a chip on his shoulder. He doesn't play like he has to prove somebody wrong, or he has to do more, or he has to be better.
His father says, “He’s not award-driven. He’s not, ‘I want to win a Super Bowl at all costs.’ ”
In short, he doesn't need to improve. He doesn't need to win games specially now that he's the 2nd highest paid QB.
He is content being mediocre and losing. So yeah, he is overrated. 😂
Don’t care he has cool hair 😎
He has zero dog in him.
Extremely overrated
That pitiful schedule he played while in college did not help him for sure.
@@raskult Baaahahaa!
Nothing happened. He was always overrated and got way more attention than he deserved. Probably because of his hair.
He does have some nice hair
tell us you don't know ball without telling us you don't know ball 😭
Dude is averaging 3900 yards, 63.6 cmp %, 20TDs, 12 INTs with 300 rushing yards, 3 rush TDs and an 85.8 rating per season.. is he living up to his Expectations and hype?? No.. but it’s really good considering it’s all on one of the worst teams in the last few years.. not to mention he had the worst HC in nfl history his rookie year..
AGREED.
There's a women a few roads down from me that looks like Trevor Lawrence so much that she probably could be mistaken for his sister 😂 she looks just like him in the face with the long hair 😂
Trevor is something like 3-10 in his last 13 starts....that says ALOT....and it aint like he's been lighting it up in all those losses.
He can play better
@@moalston4203 he SHOULD play better
Trevor is not a 3-10 quarterback he is very good he has been doing some amazing stuff the last few games. The thing that is letting him down really bad is the drops and defense.
Trevor lost a TD in bears game cause of Gabe davis, he has had his WRs fail him fumbling the ball multiple times and his defense is letting up 20+ points per game.
Trevor made a amazing throw this last game he played which got cut short by a defensive mistake he has some of the worst play calling of any headcoach watch some Jaguars games and see Trevor doing his best to carry the team and having every aspect of his team let him down it's actually depressing how much hate T-Law gets even though he gets destroyed by his team. He wasn't great the first few games but he has cleaned up a lot of fumbles and ints
He hasn't had much help since getting to jacksonville. Weak wr room, bad coaching, horrid oline, etc. Press taylor is a god awful play caller too. Not that lawrence is innocent, but not many qbs would have succeeded in jacksonville. I expect he'll be a good qb though
I agree
They picked up Calvin Ridley just let him go if they had him they would do way better like last year now they double teaming Christian Kirk now because he they only big threat and Evan engram went back too his giants days he needs more weapons too get open😌😊
He won't be. He's not gonna ever succeed in the NFL in my opinion
@@brandonrambo5694 brian thomas is better than evan and kirk dawg wdym 😂
@@qexz1 yeah that true but they been double team Christian Kirk a lot last season they didn't that much I don't why they double team him more this season 😊😌
It has a lot to do with the coaching he received at Clemson. He had natural talent but was woefully unprepared for the struggles of playing in the NFL. Expectations far exceeded his ability to deliver and it destroyed him. Too much money, not enough internal grit and not enough experience in overcoming adversity and not enough desire to beat the crap out of the opposing team. He's like scores of exceptional talent in HS and college where they excelled with few adversities and did not develop the gritty killer instinct needed to play in the NFL.
Yep, the same thing happened to Carson Wentz, but on a much smaller scale. Dude faced very little struggle in college, being the big fish in a small pond situation at North Dakota, so he never learned that drive, he never fixed his mechanics and it gave him a God complex the likes of which I haven't seen in sports in a while at that point. With Doug Pederson also as his coach, I don't have a lot of hope for Lawrence's future career.
He very rarely played any team worth a damn at clemson that's for sure. Has not changed there either.
2021 QB class might be the most disappointing of all time.
1. Lawrence
2. Zach WIlson
3. Trey Lance
11. Justin Fields
15. Mac Jones
3 seasons later, Lawrence is the last man standing - on the verge of collapse
None of those QBs were really given a chance... Maybe Justin Fields had the most time to improve but not with a great organization.
Williams is killing it, not the Bears fault fields is a glorified rb posing as a qb🤡🤡
People were going nuts over this class. People were making these guys out to be the future GOATs of the NFL...before they even took their first snaps.
Fields was the only decent one but was given up on for no reason
None of those QBs got paid 300 million to be mediocre. They all got cut & came back.
Honestly the right team and coach along with system is crucial to success in football and any sport.
Exactly. Jared Goff is a perfect example of this. Matt Stafford too.
“Prestigious Clemson University” 😂
The irony of the # 1 college player having to lead the worst pro team in the league .
Wasn't a problem for Troy Aikman or Terry Bradshaw. Bradshaw just could not read a defense and he has admitted that.
Panthers are the worst hands down
Trevor isn't as bad as people say, he just hasn't been generational, but the Jags really never gave him a chance to be generational. Weather its having the worst combined staff and roster maybe ever as a rookie entering the NFL, or having the worst D 2 years in a row, or leading the NFL in points lost on drops every single year he's been in the league by an absolute mile every year(and no its not even remotely close). He should have 14 TDs this year, but instead he has 9. And despite everyone saying he cant throw, he grades out as the best deep ball thrower in the NFL 3 years in a row.
No he hasn't been a god, but the Jags are gonna Jag and it'll be an absolute miracle if Trevor can overcome that.
Damn. I felt that.
Jags gonna Jag :(
The word is whether, weather is the study of the atmosphere.... Buy a dictionary
found the jags fan
Actually, not being good in the NFL's worst division is that much more of a strike against him. Imagine Lawrence being in the NFC or AFC North, he'd get eaten alive.
I don’t think Trevor has the mentality of a Baker and especially a Geno.Smith; to sign and be a backup for years to get another chance to be a starter/franchise QB.
Once his confidence is gone, he gets benched and isn’t the QB1 anymore, I can’t see that being good for a dude like him.
The same thing that happens when every quarterback gets huge contracts
Padding his stats against terrible defenses in the ACC created unrealistic expectations.
Sec rules
@cssweet207 Thank you for that truth bomb, and their non conference minus SC is usually So Con.
As a Carolina fan (both CFB & NFL), I can say that Lawrence is def talented & I’ve been a fan of his game since he played for the Tigers. I can give credit when it’s due & Lawrence def has the potential to win big in the league. The talent & potential is there, they both speak for themselves. Just give him some time & I’m sure he’ll prosper
Can you say the same thing bout Young? Panthers fan & I don't even watch the games.
There is no Furman, Western Carolina, Citadel, or Wake Forest in the nfl.
To be fair. His first head coach was retired and picking up college coed’s after a loss. His current coach first season was good and made it to the AFC Divisional Round of the playoffs. Last season started strong but he got injured and that is when things started to fall apart. This season they are losing close games so something is off.
its the organization, how many quarterbacks have the jacksonville jaguars gone through in the last few years? I dont even need to search online to know the answer. If he was drafted to a competent organization, like the green bay packers he would succeed. Talent aqcuisition, development, playcalling to their strengths, all play a role in the players production.
Nothing really happened. He's not a bad QB but he had a great Clemson team and he didn't have to pick up any slack. He's adapting to the NFL just fine.
Lol 😂
One word: Jaguars
This is the correct answer
And his name isn't Lawrence it's sunshine.
“RONNIE BASS!!” 😂
He is just another college phenom that can’t replicate their success because the NFL is truly next level. He will have to up his game to be consistently elite at the pro level. Some do, many don’t. Time will tell.
It feels the full reason trevor lawrence is failing is because he is not on good teams he has always been with bad teams because of his draft pick he got screwed
I think it’s his offensive coordinator. They are loaded with talent. I’m a bills fan and when I watched the All-22 of the bills jags game, the offense is so basic it’s sad. The wideouts can’t get schemed open. The line doesn’t block. Its vanilla and elementary. It’s just ugly. You have etienne, bigsby, engram, Kirk, Davis, and that rookie Brian Thomas Jr is clearly the real deal. And Trevor is a good QB. They have one of the best wide receiver coach and one of the best rb coach in the game. But Doug Peterson and press Taylor’s offense is flat. So flat.
He looks like sunshine💀
He needs to be with a new team that matches with his attributes.
Yeah send him to Raiders
I think this is yet another example of the jump being a very real thing. The hype machine can get insane sometimes but we see the hype machine go to work on most QB classes every single year. Inevitably someone comes out of nowhere in the off season to be a first round pick.
Where you go is also key to success and performance the jags like many teams have had problems developing QBs
"The prestigious Clemson University", LOL!!!
I have a relative that graduated there with some kind of wildlife degree, but thinks he's better than Elon Musk.
@@stealthbomber2127 😂🤣
Still crazy that in a combined high school and college football career his record was 86 wins to only 6 losses
Its their offensive line. The pass protection is not good and no room to run for rbs. Travis Etienne is the bigger problem then lawrence. Hes not making those big plays anymore.
Because he is not playing Western Carolina and weak acc teams now.
I was at that chargers game, that was a special one
275mill and that 304 sitting next to him smiling 😂😂😂
Great video, mate! Subscribed!
In Jacksonville, being Tony Khans friend is more important than playing well.
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@@DudeLoopNoob 🦿
Surely and kiss his old ass yup
So he runs the Jags like he does his pro wrestling company?
Growing up I realized some time in the 2010s that number 1 picks are rarely generational talents and rarely even close .In nfl Trevor Lawrence was a great example of this where it felt like they told us he’d be the number 1 pick since he was in high school and it seems like they made sure their media projections would come through. I saw the same thing with Zion Williamson in the nba both extremely over rated and have yet to live up to a 1/4 of the hype. It seems as if the media is deciding who to tell us is good and we should believe it no matter what we see, sad part is all that media support goes blank once they do make it to the leagues.
NFL teams don’t develop quarterbacks anymore. I mean Brock Purday has been successful because he is in a quarterback friendly system with a solid offensive line and running game to protect him.
Getting pounded into oblivion by a grown ass man pass rush will change the way you do things and you get blamed. Build the team then get the quarterback
Nahh brock purdy is way more talented.
@@sharull6074no he's not Kyle system literally makes him look good and they still suck this season
The nfl is a full field arena football league now, he should be dinking and dunking at will.
The fact that he went to Jacksonville is what has been a slow decline in Trevor Lawrence. Many were concerned that he would possibly struggle due to going to a terrible Jaguars team.
He preferred going to the Jacksonville Jaguars, a southern town in Florida than to the New York Jets. He would have only gone to a southern team..
@@SoGorgeous-ju8jn No state income tax in Florida.
Trevor’s career so far
1) bad rookie year under Urban Meyer
2) good second year
3) good year 3 until succumbing to injuries.
4) playing good in year 4
seriously this guy saying Trevor playing horrible this year is wild.
@@DevinVee For real trevor is doing good this year but it's hard to have to win every game by 20+ points because your defense can't stop a damn fly
HHAHAHAHAHA 2-7 AND HE'S PLAYING GOOD HAHAHAHAHAHA. Trevor Lawrence is fucking trash and he's always been trash
@DevinVee yeah, 2-7 is terrible bro
@@derfvcderfvc7317 then does that mean Joe Burrow is playing terrible cause he is 4-6
he’s still a good player with potential to be a top 10 qb but man the jags are a mess… Still disappointed considering he was supposed to be generational and we’ve seen guys come in recently like Daniels and Stroud turn around bad teams quickly.
The problem is that he isn't truly committed to football. He had all the skill in the world since high school, but if you listen to what he has said off the field, even since the elite 11 - he isn't truly commited. I mean, he does enough and has enough skill to be a starting QB in the NFL...but he isn't "all-in" on football, which means he will never be "great"
There ya go
Jaguars happened.
There are a ton of great quarterbacks, particularly with the rule changes that protect them so much. Lawrence is somewhere between the 10th and 20th best quarterback in the NFL- top .001% of the sport. Mahomes, Allen, Hurts, Goff, Burrow, Lamar, Dak, Herbert, Cousins, Mayfield, Love, Rodgers... Young guys are great too. The Jaguars already almost have sufficient quarterback play to win a Superbowl, they need a better overall roster and better coaching.
John elway is the greatest and highest rated draft prospect ever.
Difference is that he ended up being a hall of famer whereas Lawrence will be out of the NFL in 4 years
@@frespects9624
Udgaf about lawrence. I made my comment for the gen z kids that dont know who the top dog of all time is.
@@thestarisalie I was just adding to what you said 😂
Give him more time. There's flashes there and if they can get a healthy RB core. I think that pays dividends as well
Man nfl fans always talking about how much “help” a qb needs , when in reality , if Yu need that much help then Yu might not be as good as Yu should be . Everytime one of these young qbs gets “help” they dnt win , mahomes and Lamar win help or no help
I don’t think you understand how important coaching and players are. It’s a damn team sport bro and a QB can’t just win a game every time when surrounded by garbage coaches and players... Mahomes and Lamar have literally had the same high tier coaches their ENTIRE career. Not to mention Baltimores elite defense year in and year out.
@@brandonr737 yet the QB gets all the credit even when they're mid.
@@brandonr737 I think you misunderstood how much a QB is suppose to be in charge of, Tom and Peyton had different coaches and they took care of their business. I’m aware of how important the structure of a team is , all I’m saying is he gets as much of the blame if not more as the Gm, Owner, and coach
Lamar has won nothing, Mahomes has Kelce as Montana had Rice, Manning Sharp, Brady Gronk.
Lamar only has regular season achievements and has an incredible team and coaching staff.
Mahomes has possibly the best coach ever and his team this year might be his worst squad hes ever played with but he's still got a great team around him
I am usually too lazy to comment. However, I have to commend you. This was well and tastefully done. This was actually worth the time.
i just wanna put it out there that as of week 8 he has better or simalar stats to a bunch of "elite" qbs like a better qbr, completion percentage, less interceptions, same amount of touchdowns, yet yall call him bad, you have obviously never watched him play in your lives, sure his team is awful, but he doesnt control coaching or defence, he has not had an amazing season, but its far from bad, numbers dont lie and trevor lawrence has really solid numbers, maybe not quite highest paid qaurterback numbers, but also not bad numbers
Idk how people can compare him to qbs like burrow who has two of the best wide receivers in the league
People tend to forget in college you have the top prospects for your respective position playing with you and most games are played against colleges without top talent. Not to downplay it since any of us couldn't do it but we see it time and time again with the college to nfl transition.
W video
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It’s actually pretty simple. He went to a dogshit of an organization. The Jags are terrible.
Every draft pick is a gamble
Its funny how this dude is literally only a starter because of a chargers choke
I mean, there are much worse QBs than Lawrence starting right now. I’m just saying that his “generational potential” that everyone saw coming out of college isn’t what it seems currently
Fr lmfao 😂
Some guys, actually a lot, don't translate to the NFL and Trevor Lawrence is one of those guys! He's always thrown the ball high and almost got one of his receivers killed in the LSU championship game with 'high throws'. People and the disgusting media need to cease blaming coaches for these players that don't prosper!
Put Tom Brady in his prime in the same situation and it would be the same maybe winning a handful more games but not much
After being a Clemson fan and seeing Watson , and Lawrence dominate all out of college, it hurt seeing them play bad like this in the NFL
Watson should be in jail and is trash..Lawrence is a good dude in a bad system.
I’ll tell yall what happened, he got paid.
Both of those games @ minute mark were both won by the defense, a pick six against Dallas and a strip sack for a TD against the Titans against their backup quarterback.
few weeks late he’s been good recently
He has been better recently, let’s see how he handles the packers
He was “thrust” into the varsity role, thrusted is an old variant rarely used.
hes having a good year so far especially with the most drops
He could still take it to another level
I actually dont think everyone was sure he was a generational talent. Joe Burrow was, Andrew Luck was, but I think a lot of scouts were cautious, even with a national title.
I just don’t think he’s that good
Me too. I think because of his appearance and style of play, he was overhyped extremely to be a generational QB. But he's closer to an average NFL QB
He’s been about a B Tier QB so far with the potential to take it to an A
Actually insane that this guy is from my town (Cartersville, GA) and I met him back in 2016.
He was garbage from the start, but America needed a hero so he was selected.
Every time I see his picture I hear the song “Mmm Bop” in my head. He could be the lost Hanson brother.
hahaha wow, pretty funny..and definitely could be in that bunch looks wise
Always thought Trevor Lawrence was overrated. He seems more interested in being a hair model and a surfing 🏄♀️ dude rather than being a great QB.
He went to an ACC college. His strongest opponent was FSU and Syracuse.... They made him look good.
Blame that on the Offensive Coordinator.
I played QB on a pretty good varsity team my Jr. and Sr. years at Astronaut H.S. in '74 and '75. My Dad played QB at West Point and was the O.C. my two years as the starter. I'm certainly not in Trevor's class of athletes, as I am 5'10" on a good day and played at 160 lbs, but I watched a lot of the 22 film with my Dad and learned to read defenses and felt comfortable trying to take advantage of their vulnerabilities on the field. Along the way I watched a LOT of film of the great college and NFL QB's just studying them. I knew Trevor had a great career at Clemson but with all the talk of him being a "generational talent", and sure-fire All-Star NFL QB, I went back and looked at the film/video of his college play. The only QB's I have ever seen in college that I thought were guaranteed to be stars in the NFL, were Joe Namath, Jim Plunkett, John Elway, Dan Marino, Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. All of them jump off the screen in their biggest games in college as good or better than anyone in the NFL at that time. I just did not see greatness in Trevor...i see a big kid with a good (not great) arm, with a nice (but not laser fast) release and a good (not great) ability to run and good (not great) accuracy. To my eyes he would be a question mark as to how he would develop/adapt to the NFL.
I love football but it is to much of a team sport. Like lol. You could look really bad at qb without a number of things and people Wil stil ignore it. The line has to be subpar at least. Tight end and receivers can't be to mediocre. At least get a line first and foremost. Football is to much of a team sport. 😂😂
Simple he made enough money to live life comfortably for next 80 years. Doesn’t need to practice football! Been there done that
His face too long
he's girl sarah jessica parker. i know a carrot hate to see both of them coming
Sure it is someone will always have something to say
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Just a tip, on your 'room tone audio' don't use a sample with a whistle. So many whistles in the middle of plays.
He got rich and stopped trying
His ceiling was always average NFL quaterback.
You should do what if videos
The instagram hype wore off
I find it funny that every one hailed him as the greatest prospect ever, but no one wants to say anything about him being garbage.
Sometimes is doesn’t matter how good you are, some NFL teams just seem incapable of providing the right environment, like the Browns, Jets, and even the Titans. The Lions used to be that team, I can see the Jags doing similar soon
The #1 draft pick typically goes to the team with the worst record from the previous season, but it takes more than a single player to transform a struggling team. That’s why later picks, like Brady and Rodgers, often end up finding greater success-they land in more stable environments where they can develop and thrive.
I’d like to see a dramatized adaptation of Urban Meyer’s downfall. In particular, to present the contrast in barking orders at college students and what happens when you treat grown-ass men the same way.
Nothing happened to him. He was in a college system surrounded by stars who played against mostly high school level talent while in college. Like the majority of CFB "stars", he got exposed in the NFL. Meanwhile, players like Josh Allen who hail from a school like Wyoming, ball out. Because you can't hide behind other college stars in Wyoming.
Yeah, it’s Clemson. Playing Furman (whoever that is). And now he’s with Jacksonville, (not an organization known for building champions). Not a big mystery.
You might credit his 'hair' for being NFL's number one pick. I say it's because he was 'head and shoulders' above the competition in college.
Fw the vid bro jus subscribed 🔥
Thanks Devin!
No one can save Jacksonville.He needs to go somewhere else.He will never succeed there.
He was picked by Jacksonville, only way he could possibly have been worse for him would have to been picked by Cleveland.
We have GOATS and generational talents coming out of college every year. Sometimes they aren't busts.
The problem is his wrs have butter fingers rbs have no run game and his oline is ass