Dumbest Tier List Of Things Atheists Say?
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- Hands up if you say dumb things sometimes... what about arguments to theists claims being dumb too? This guy took a load of the arguments that atheists make, and put them in a dumbest tier list. Maybe we can learn from our mistakes? Or maybe we can still say silly things when rejecting claims of gods...
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"Evidence, no evidence, who cares" sums up his entire mindset, yet he calls US stupid.
I went to the comments specifically for that one😂. Especially when he’s talking about objective morality.
I actually agree a bit: Don't care about evidence for any god's existence... Either way, I have no reason to believe people who pretend to speak on it's behalf.
Projection perhaps?
atheists are not stupid at all. Some are extremely intelligent.
the problem is that the very word atheist is a two part word:
a = lack of
theo = deity
put the two parts together and you get atheo = the belief that deity(s) do not exist. the person believing such a belief = atheist = one who believes that deity(s) do not exist.
the failure of atheists = that they will fight against "separation of church and state". they fail to realize that our founding fathers believed that the judeo-christian beliefs would guide the new United States of America into a moral and ethical govt.
to our founding fathers, separation of church and state meant = the State shall not define and or create a "state religion" that shall be enforced upon the citizens of the us. Citizens shall be free to decide which religion they want and Congress shall not make any laws establishing a state religion.
It is a misguidede intelligence bent upon proving the Lack of God by attempting to remove (from public arenas) the very "non-existent" God - thus by reverse argument - proving that God does exist. Thus, must remove (said actual deity exists because an atheist argues He does exist and must be removed [how can you remove a deity - that your belief system A + theo (atheo) does not exist?)
thus, your argument is illogical in it's ultimate argument.
that would be my arguing the existence of the easter bunny. If I argued that we must remove the easter bunny from all references, I would be arguing the following:
1st - said creature does exist and is not mythical
2nd - said references of said creature must be removed.
that is the flaw that many atheists make. It is an illogically reversed logic that actually proves the existence of God (just by the very fact that atheists argue to remove God).
you can beleive that a+theo is real.
logically: if you belileve that, then if a person says, I beleive in (deity x) - you just walk off and say not a word.
You believe that no deity(s) exist and a person has just said they do. If you stay to argue with said peson (saying diety x exists) you will fall into that trap of revesse illogical argument.
And a bunch of nerds.
Then again, I prefer being called a nerd for liking to learn things about reality. The bible just equates nerds to rapists and murders and says that inquisitive people try to learn things because they want to rebel against god and that they deserve death.
That's probably what this guy thinks about all non christians, but whatever, he has at least not said it out loud, yet, or act on it outside very likely voting fascist like a good critical thought fearing christian.
His list demonstrates two key points:
1) it's important to understand the difference between an argument and a counter-argument. About 90% of his list were counter-arguments, so if he doesn't actually address the argument they are countering, they look like they make no sense.
2) it's important to actually understand, or at least KNOW what the argument is before you dismiss it.
What's particularly funny is that he made the list of these arguments himself. That means he is sitting in front of his keyboard and has written the argument on his card, even though he knows that he doesn't know what this argument is supposed to mean. But thinks "whatever, learning and knowing things is for nerds"
@@TheLevantin He looks kind of young, it's probably not that long since he survived school by bullying the "nerds".
I've been noticing point 1 too. It's so lazy. They have no idea what conversation is going on, or worse, they refuse to engage with it honestly. By contrast, every atheist I've seen engage with this stuff knows both sides of the conversation.
He knows the words text and con but this thing ...context? Yeah that's just atheists making things up again.
They really should wait to tier list atheists until they know one or two.
that would require a shred of self honesty and reflection. But since they're SO GODLY (and God always agrees with everything they say, think and do) then they CAN'T be wrong...
Why bother? In his own style: "atheist, no atheist, who cares? I have Jesus."
Yeah, how can you compile a list of arguments you want to talk about and then go ahead and make the video when you don't what many of them are?
@@setojuraiGod does not always agree with everything you say, think, or do.
@@morbrakai8533 Look up. Do you see that dot overhead? The one moving at Mach 3? That was the point you missed.
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Jesus is gay. He didn't say he's NOT gay.
This argument can be used for ANYTHING!
They DO say "Jesus Loves the Little Children".
Yay!!!!
Good one!
@@condorboss3339 Um... do you know what the word "gay" means? Because that has absolutely nothing to do with it.
You jest, but they do keep saying you need to take him inside you.
‘I don’t understand anything and I’m too lazy to learn.’ -This Guy
This. The fact that he openly admitted to not knowing what some of these even meant, but dismissed them anyway.
He's too lazy to even build a strawman.
Does that make this person worse than Matt f'ing Powell? He at least makes up his own strawman, as sad and as pathetic as those strawmen are!! 😂@@MasamiPhoenix
Honestly, I can respect that position. If only he was honest about it.
This guy's combination of arrogance and ignorance is a long standing classic among things that piss me off
As a fellow "this guy" we don't claim "this guys" who abide by this very principle!
He has zero self-awareness.. My evidence? His answer to the 3999 gods he doesn't believe in.
Hi there 🙋🏻♂️
@@johnburn8031Hello 😊🖖🏻
well hello there einien,
we conversed 'bout a week ago on a different channel. nice to see like minds here.
@@einienj3281 I hope you are well?
Y’all are both really sweet 🥰 I realize I wasn’t a part of the convo or anything, but I hope both of y’all are doing good. Have a good weekend homies.
We are dum-dums because we refuse to believe this guy's invisible friend is real. Suuuure.
That was some lazy theism.
Why'd you say theism twice?
they're all lazy. they just parrot each other and when presented with an atheist that isn't a moron, they give up and walk away, which is the opposite of what their religion tells them to do. they're too lazy to argue 😂
@@setojuraiLol, that took me a second. Nicely done.
yet, a grade A buffoonery.
Don't expect me to believe that the supernatural claims in the bible are authentic, without providing supporting evidence. The 500 unnamed, unverifiable, witnesses to the risen Christ is an example of the pathetic standard of biblical evidence.
Yeah, well, I have a a piece of paper that says 501 unnamed, unverifiable, witnesses said those 500 witnesses are full of crap. Checkmate theists!
It's the Trust Me Bro Argument.
Yep it reads like someone said nah I dont belive you bro to their claims of seeing the risen Jesus and so the claimant added more and more people to the list.
@@mattm8870 Rising from the dead was such an extraordinary claim that it required supporting evidence. Merely adding 500 unnamed witnesses makes the resurrection claim even more suspicious.
@@clemstevenson not really. Claims from the past are how we know about history in the first place. And the witnesses provided a lot to it. I mean Christianity took off in the places where Jesus was. If someone just started making claims that a few years ago a major event happened we're you live you would know whether they were lying or not. after all you and your neighbors would have heard of it or witnessed it. So the challenge to go ask the witnesses combined with the expansion of Christianity at the time and location would give credit to this. It would be like if someone went around today and said there was an alien invasion a few years ago. You would know it's not true cause you were there. We're as thousands of years in the future these claims of witnesses can't be verified the fact that they were believed when they could be verified does give a lot of credit to their case. Also critics of Christians talk about the events not as false but shameful and humiliating to Christians. If it didn't happen it would be easier at the time for the critics to disregard the events Rather than critique them.
I would be embarrassed to publish a presentation with a single instance where I said "I don't know what this topic means, and I'm too lazy to look into it," let alone the staggering amount of times that guy did.
That was painful to watch.
Yeah, that's an immediate F for the presentation.
Very much agreed. I'm still watching through right now, but when he ranked his " The universe is too big " argument as a "F" because he had no idea what this was supposedly addressing I wanted to tell him That's not how anything works.
@@aprilwilliams8073 "The universe is too big"
That always reminds me of our last dog. He would stand there and bark at horses and cows, and my girlfriend suggested that he was shouting:
"Too big! Too big!"
I find it hilarious he talks crap about polytheistic religions while completely ignoring that his own religion _started_ as polytheistic.
Still is. Yahweh and Jesus have to be separate gods for Christianity to even be coherently explained, and most Christians also believe in the Holy Spirit as a third god that they admit as "God" (the Trinity being an incoherent concept that's not even in the Bible anyway), and let's be honest, literally the only reason angels aren't called gods is because Christians and Jews call themselves monotheists.
@@NovaSaberWe should also include the modern version of the devil as another deity. He has essentially unlimited power to be everywhere and to corrupt anyone at any time. Lol 😆
@@NovaSaber Not necessarily: Yahweh, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit could just be the same being at different points in time. That's how I prefer to reconcile the whole Trinity thing: First he created the world as God, then I took mortal form as Jesus, then he died and became a ghost. Makes perfect sense to me 😁
Of course, I have no religious investment in the story, so I'm free to concoct any kind of fanfiction I think is neat.
He's likely too ignorant of his own religion to even know how it originated.
@@LadyDoomsinger
I prefer the version from the Gospel of Judas myself.
Shit is wild.
i guess its mostly gonna be things apologists say atheists say. not actually things atheists say.
its what he wished atheists say. Its basically a strawmanned arguments tier list.
This is classic Christian thinking I don't understand something so it's wrong
"Misunderstanding of the gaps."
classic Boomer thinking too.
@@setojuraiI’m a boomer never been a theist because I’ve never thought this way….you’re exhibiting classic millennial think. 🙄
stereotype much?
smug, arrogant, sanctimonious...
this guy hits all of the christian traits.
You missed ignorant.
@@condorboss3339hahaha yes i did. my bad. 👍
but he said several times how amazing he is, so how did "amazing" not make your list? :X
@@chezeus1672 ok, smug , arrogant, sanctimonious "ignorant" , "amazing" ...
hahaha 🤣 i didn't mean to start something, but ...
I think we should include, indoctrinated, science denier, and completely unable to think critically. These are, I'm sure, merely the beginning of a rather long list. Lol 😊
Oh look, a theist that doesn't want to understand anything that shows his position to be false.
What
@@BATTLESOFRAP What word did you not understand?
@@avi8r66 what are you implying with the message to the video?
@@BATTLESOFRAP Theists commonly base 'true and false' based on 'does this agree with my view'. Or more simply, they rely heavily on confirmation bias.
@@avi8r66 oh okay thankyou for the clarification
Only god can forgive sins eh?
“Well Joe, you shouldn’t have taken my phone, but I know you lost yours the day before and you really had to call your brother in an emergency, and mine was the closest one, so it’s fine, I forgive you.”
But sure, ONLY god can forgive sins.
Sorry to nitpick, but Joe didn't sin against you. He stole from you and wronged you. However, a sin is a crime against God.
I'm an atheist and I think sin is an imaginary crime against an imaginary being
@@johnburn8031Yes
that's not a sin. A sin is going against whatever a god doesn't want.
@@johnburn8031 So murder isn't a sin then? Only murdering gods is a sin?
@@johnburn8031 i agree apart from one thing, it would be impossible to commit a crime against a God, ie, to hurt it in some way.
The only way one could hurt a God would be to hurt a being that it cared about, but, firstly, the biblical gods clearly don't care about people (and actively want people to hurt animals, as they love the aroma of burning flesh*) only about obedience and being loved, and, secondly, a real God would be able to foresee, and avoid or prevent, any such harm.
The concept of “sin” was made up to control people (please don’t bother with the etymology, it’s not relevant). It is immoral, very damaging and illogical.
Here's how it works; _pretend_ that being Human and Normal is a problem, then _pretend_ that there will be huge consequences if you fail to not be Human (which is, of course, impossible), THEN PRETEND that you've got a solution (which, of course, includes paying money to a church, and giving up some autonomy, thus giving those who promote the con _more power over you)._
It is so hugely damaging a concept that I’m starting to think that spreading it to others should be a criminal offence.
* More likely it's the priests who love the aroma, and want whatever isn't burnt, in the middle, for themselves.
His two favorite arguments seem to be "Well, that's just stupid." and "Who cares?"
What a coincidence! Those are my favorite arguments against theism as well.
Really well thought through arguments, unsurprisingly.
Ah it seems he went to the Kent Hovind school of apologetics.
@@LadyDoomsinger I have a new argument against theism (and general bigotry, fascism, etc.) though: Shut up and piss off.
It's short, easy to remember, I like it.
Wow this guy... every time I think I must have come across the dimmest bulb on the theist tree it turns out I was wrong.
That's basically what I was thinking. He comes off mostly articulate, but says some of the stupidest things I have ever heard. He is on par with Mattie, and, his former inmate pal.
"You strike me as someone who's never read a single counterpoint to your position"
- Hitchens
That was one of the laziest, stupidest efforts in the "Checkmate, Atheists" genre. He gets a giant F.
And should stay after school and write a 100 “I'm a lazy theist” on the blackboard
Especially when he knew what arguments he was going to talk about, yet admitted he didn't know what some were. But just decided to go ahead with the video instead of just doing a Web search to find out what they are.
My favourite part of this list is that most of those aren't even arguments, they're jokes. The rest are overly simplified strawmen, so technically I agree with him that almost everything belongs in F tier because they aren't arguments.
Honestly I couldn't sit through the entire video because of his child-like intro to apologetics "debunking", I skipped to the end and was surprised to see he didn't just dump everything in F tier to make an "argument" on par with the 3999 gods joke.
4:19 Is he just going to bottom tier all of because he doesn't agree with it?
What a clown that guy is 😂
Whoever wrote the Gospel of John certainly thought Jebus was God.
Lots of people have claimed to be a god, and even more have claimed to speak on behalf of their god.
I don't really see the importance of whether or not Jesus was one of them.
Odd that John was later than the other gospels. Almost like the tale grew with the telling.
@@DavidSmith-vr1nbso weird
Well, Jebus’ foreign counterparts were gods, so christianity couldn’t stay behind.
5:22
"This argument is F-tier trash. My reasoning? Well, Islam doesn't seem true to me. That is true, high level, intellectual reasoning."
To be fair, that's pretty much my position on Christianity, or any religion for that matter.
Yeah, his reason most of the arguments are stupid is..uh-uh.
I have not heard an atheist use any of the nonsense he picked as arguments against God or to support atheism. Those are more like things said to undermine the veracity of Christianity. Looks like he just picked a bunch of silly things from somewhere that he could knock off with a few words and toss most of them in the F category. "Checkmate, atheists!"
He just wants to make a strawman of the crappiest he can come up with so he can actually beat it up.
That said, I have seen some of these toted by some atheists.
He reminds me of the Muslim apologist who had himself filmed refuting things again the clock. Same arrogance, same lack of understanding, same MO.
Same thing that Redeem Zoomer did. Misunderstood every atheist objection as a "Why god is not real" argument.
The subtitles made me laugh "Jesus Christ rose from the bed" 😂😂😂
I kept snorting at 'Calvinus'.
Which is doubly amusing if you are familiar with the _Calvin and Hobbes_ cartoons and the number of times Calvin imagines himself as god.
hehe:)
what gets me the most is these clowns will include those subtitles themselves and are too lazy to correct them.
He says it that way too, twice even, "rose from bed."
Also "God is maximally Lobbling."
@@Dr_Wrongisn’t got maximally lobbing? I think it says it in chapter 4 verse 3 of the book of Wimbledon.
He's trying so hard to sound smart but he essentially said engaging in even rudimentary science is "nerd stuff".
"I don't know what what means; F." as if to prove my point.
Call me mean but I couldn't unsee the similarity in this gentleman and the Geico cavemen. However, I suspect the cavemen could speak in more coherent thoughts and better defend their position. Most of his responses were F-tier.
I also suspect this guy understands very little of what's he's trying to refute. At least he's not Almond Calzone.
It's hilarious the way he furrows his brow and pretends to think about each question. Well, maybe he does I guess... but really really poorly!
"Follow me, I'm amazing"
Oh yeah, totally not a narcissistic.
So, wait, I never said I'm not God... Does that make me God?
Only if he can't prove you're not. If he's able to disprove you being God, you are not. I don't see how he would be able to, so nice to meet you God.
"Ray, When Someone Asks If You’re a God, You Say YES.”
The fact that no gods/goddesses have ever shown themselves should raise questions.
i guess the absolute dumbest thing any atheist ever said was "i don't believe your bullshit"...
Wait did dude really just copy and paste yhe atheist arguments from Redeemed Zoomers video holy fucking shit he did😅😅😅😅😅
Nope. I'm gonna have to disagree, SkepTick. While in the past, there certainly were great intellectuals that were religious and there probably still are some today. If this guy is anything to go by, religion absolutely encourages intellectual laziness!
I'm still looking for that one person who is demonstrably better because of their religion. And no matter how hard I try, I still arrive at the conclusion that faith requires dishonesty and people all poop from the same hole. (well most of us, for some it is debatable)
@@OceanusHelios The ones with an ostomy bag use a different hole
"gravity is an 'of the gaps' argument" [paraphrase]... yes... the _difference_ is that it *is observed* to *fit* the gap. The "god of the gaps" is _asserted_ without _demonstration_
sheesh, this guy.
This is one of many examples when he doesn't seem to understand the difference between assertions and facts. Unfortunately, it appears that most apologists have the same problem. What a world we live in, alternate facts and xtians claiming to be persecuted because their grip on power is slipping out of their hands.
I think it's funny that he used Buddhism as an example when it is pretty much an atheistic religion. They don't believe in a god.
I mean there's even saying that basically says "if you see Buddha by the side of the road, no you fucking didn't" lol
I want to point out as ridiculous as his stance on gravity is there is the law of gravity and the theory of gravity which are different.
The law of gravity is pretty much set in stone for us, but the theory of gravity needs to be improved upon (because we don't quite understand it yet).
So even though he's talking bollocks about the framing, if you were being really charitable you could say that it was just a misunderstanding of that
@@OrlaSeraphxD well, we could be charitable, but apparently only god can forgive 😼
“When did Jesus say, in quotes, that he wasn’t god?”
Why, I never said I’m not god either…! So maybe, I am! You don’t know. Yeah!
Funny thing is every verse that seem to claim Jesus is God is undermined by another verse in the same chapter even in John.
It's really fascinating that he managed to not actually address any of his arguments.
Sure he did. He addressed them with "That's stupid" and "who cares". Maybe you just didn't understand how that refuted the arguments and proved Christianity. 🤣
@@djinn8729 You got me there. I forgot that the basic apologist maneuver is the handwave.
could say the same about your lack of comprehensive skills
Looking at this man, I cannot help but think that his religious heritage was replaced by Christian colonisers in the Pacific.
Yeah, he should be worshipping Maui. Fun fact, when I was enlisted in the New Zealand army we had this ideology "Ngāti Tūmatauenga is the official Māori name of the New Zealand Army, which translates to "Tribe of the God of War"." So for a time I guess I was inadvertently religious?
@@ctakitimu So, I would say that you were a part of "God's army" right? Lol, and my apologies for not being able to resist the temptation that your info provided me. Peace 💚
@@ctakitimu oh yeah because looking at someone's skin color determines what religion they should be engaging in.
@@theintelligentmilkjug944 Is that all you got from that comment? 🤣
@@ctakitimu "Yeah, he should be worshipping Maui." I mean is there anything else I can get from this?
I'm 2 "arguments" into the video.
I kinda guess that all the rest will also be "Nuh-uh, F!" with perhaps one or two being D for it to not look obviously bad.
Edit: Ah, he was actually a little bit more honest than expected, only 64% F...
I love how he put almost all the claims in F-Tier. Almost like all these guys just want to be able to toss arguments aside. And this is coming from someone who believes in God!
And half of those were with basically no elaboration.
@@TheLithp Like I said, he just wants to toss arguments aside. I mean, you can't expect him to actually ENGAGE with an argument right?
I'm actually surprised that ANY argument was placed above "F" by this "unbiased observer".
He literally did toss one argument to the side without a reason. "No evidence for objective morality." -- "F, which doesn't matter ... because it doesn't matter." I'm surprised that wasn't his response to ALL of the statements he read.
@@SuperSwordman1 I fook back then from Jesus' teachings that it is about humility and awareness of your own fallibility - but as catholic in Germany you have almost no similarities with these followers of self-proclaimed mouthpieces of God.
Here in Germany religion is a personal thing, and is usually not used to wholesale judge other people/groups. We have our experiences with judging minoriities and declaring them as vermin, as rats... - 93% of germans in 1933, when Hitler was elected, were christians. Oops.
Being aware of these two PERSONAL properties leads you quasi automatically to tolerance, respect, NOT judging others, listening to them, compassion (against ANYone) mercy, forgiving, heplingt others.
US fundamentalist christians are practically the opposite of these character traits - arrogant, vain, convinced of their superiority, of their infallible judgement, they,OWN the truth - when you OWN it, you do not need to KNOW anything about the truth.
This guy is clueless. Making up what you want god to be or how he thinks/wants doesn't make it real.
What did you expect from a caveman?
@@hansw5067😂
@@hansw5067 He looks like that arrogant god from Disney’s Vaiana. Sounds like him too.
I have a problem with the free will argument.
And it's very simple. Did Adam and Eve have free will before eating the fruit. If yes then the fruit is the evil in which case God is the reason of evil. If no, he made humanity to have no free will defeating the entire point of the free will argument.
If all is according to God's plan, then EVERY single action is predetermined. Otherwise the prophecies would not work centuries in advance.
Or, there is a script that MUST be kept, and God constantly interferes in history, constantly corrects the deviations from the divine plan.
So it would be unavoidable that God overrides Free Will, like he did it by hardening Pharaoh's heart, or when he inscened a special apparition to convert the christian-persecutor Saul to Paul.
Not to mention how do you tell the difference between actual free will, and the illusion of it.
Also a point of interest being that (as far as I know) the Bible never actually says anything about Free Will - that argument was entirely made up by apologists trying to answer the Problem of Evil.
In fact, the Bible contains multiple instances of God violating or circumventing characters' Free Will - when he's not outright killing them for exercising their Free Will in a way he disapproves of.
which loops right back around to god's fault.. which pretty shitty of it
Always had a problem with the way God treated Adam and Eve. Yeah they did try to excuse their mistakes but then again they have valid excuses, they are tempted, tricked and quite honestly bamboozled. That's like leaving your toddler in a room with a candy in the middle telling him not to eat it. And when some moron told the kid to eat it and he did, you punish him by abandoning them in the woods. I get in a way that the two of them should be punished for disobedience, but exiling them is a bit too much in my opinion. What an over reaction for someone who apparently is all loving and forgiving
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"Jesus never said he was God." Yeah, in fact Jesus never said anything as far as his actual writings are concerned. Anonymous Greek-speaking authors _claimed_ he said some stuff, but they kind of had their own agenda.
They also wrote the Gospels long after this "Jesus" person died, anywhere from 60 to 200 years after his supposed death on the cross.
Everytime this guy talks about one of the points on the list, he doesn't actually answer why it's wrong?? He just says a couple of sentences of nothing and doesn't elaborate to prove why he believes any of the religious stuff he does. I absolutely despise when people talk but don't actually say anything but fluff words.
Tier list of things Theists say.....
All of them Garbage Tier...
Thanks! This guy has a whole army of strawmen.
He makes farmers jealous
You're in this week!
I wonder where the Xian putz got the idea for a tier list ? I was willing to give the Dude a chance but his “God O’ The Gaps” spiel made it rather apparent that we’re dealing with a Himbo.
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"...all the nerd stuff..."
"...like a little nerd..."
His choice of words is quite telling, isn't it?!
Alpha Christian male mentality.
@@TheSkepTick Well, he is amazing, apparently.
His answer to most of the arguments is basically uh uh. On the ones he does address he's just...um...what's the word I'm looking for...think...think....think...oh yeah.. he's just wrong.
I feel sorey for Skep Tick having to endure the dull length of that guy's video.. Was anyone else nodding off listening to his droning?! 😅
Wow! Dude is so confidant in his ignorance, it's stupefying! Great hair, though!
"points at Newton"... cherry-picking.
At that time, atheism was still punishable by death in Great Britain. (The last person actually executed for blasphemy was Thomas Aikenhead in 1697.)
If there was an omnipotent, omniscient being, then free will would be logically Impossible.
My guess having just started the video. Reckon it's at least 80% Strawman.
The Geico Caveman Apologist says God is maximally just and maximally loving at the same time? My pustule-pocked posterior. To be maximally just would be to give you exactly the punishment you deserve, while to be maximally loving would be to give you absolutely none of the punishment you deserve. Of course, it's all a shit show in the first place, since the rationale for determining what you deserve is "Fuck you, I'm the boss and I can do what I want."
This needed a face palm warming.
He looks like he just came from auditioning for the Jets, that's the 1980s Pacific Islander music group😂
My anti Pascal's would be something like if I'm right, and there is no god, you waisted your entire existence in service to a false idea.
The problem in the God of the gaps is that usually God was used as an explanation for things we didn't know. Like saying that the earth is flat. Proving later things are different makes that God nonexistent or wrong. Similar with evolution and other sciences, if the religion say something that later is proved to be wrong that demonstrates that particular religion is wrong and their God probably doesn't exist.
I strongly suspect this guy might be a flat earther, or at risk of becoming one.
Has anyone done a "Tier List" of tier lists?
That’s worth a watch
I love how the guy says none of them were that difficult to deal with when his answer to about half of them was "I don't get it, therefore I'm right"
Lisa, the Rainbow Giraffe (leaf be upon her), is S tier, no doubt!
Without doubt!
Who on Earth named their kid _"Amazing"?_ It only leads to an over inflated ego, at last according to the evidence of this guy's video.
1:03 I don't see a certain pink cyclops nor a whisky obsessed crusader
Good point. I can’t speak for the former, but the latter does frequently mention that he’s handsome.
Maybe SkepTick and Sir Sic don't know each other personally.
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Obvs do.. Cuz they're both British.. It works that way right? 🤣
@@Dr_Wrong Yeah, but one of them lives in a dystopian hellhole working full speed to become a failed state and the other lives in ... oh. Yeah, I see your point.
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6:39 I was particularly entertained by the forty seconds of dribbling gibberish which came after "So, OK, let me articulate this properly".
If I can use my free will freely, then how can I be "misusing" it?
As a Christian myself one of my main concerns is that, unfortunately, we get other Christians, as dumb as their arguments for God can be, it sometimes happens a dishonest apologist intentionally misrepresents our belief, and that makes the rest of us normal Christians look both stupid and disingenuous. I applaud the atheists that ask the tough questions, those that seek genuine answers, because there is a lot I myself cannot explain, and to pretend that I know everything, have all the answers and be smug about it, is exactly what destroys any respect other faiths and atheists alike have for us Christians. We are all human beings, and to think one is above the over over what faith we belong to or don't is what is wrong with the world; it's the reason we have war, poverty, crime and misery because our arrogance blinds us (yeah I'm a big Star Wars freak). Please don't think that all Christians are a-holes; some of us, despite believing in God which atheists question, still respect others because we're all human and we have to share this planet together. So my apologies for people like Rocha because what he says is his own interpretation based on his own bias, and has little to nothing to do with Christianity. It would also, I think, help him to present himself to the 21st Century and shave and cut his hair; we already left the caves and Neanderthals are long time extinct, so no need to resurrect what natural selection has done. Have a great day everyone!
Just because u don't you don't understand the science that doesn't mean the since is wrong and just because we don't yet know something that doesn't mean god did it 😂
Free Will those two words you will never see in the Wholly Fables aka the Bible.
The fact his second point was a reason christians did the first part on one another and still demonize the other sect to this date 🤦♂️
"You are all wrong because... well... rabbit, washing machine, red crayon"
Bart Erhman explains how Jesus never claimed to be divine.
This tier list just reeks of this guy, who barely gave any deeper thought than "oh I heard this one apologetic once for this question" then he made an entire video on it. He never at all got to fully explaining why most of the questions were in the so called F tier.
Did he seriously just end his video arrogantly announcing his Mortal Sin of PRIDE?!
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"Can God create a rock that He cannot lift" is NOT logically incoherent, but the concept of Omnipotence is. To put it in "nerd terms" ... "Can God accumulate a finite mass that exceeds his lifting capacity?". I, a normal human being, can accumulate a stack of bricks that's too heavy for me to move unaided ... can Yahweh make the same claim?
To counter this argument theists have watered down "Omnipotence" to the point where they will say "God can do everything that's in his nature" which renders "Omnipotence" a moot point ... a rock can "do everything in it's nature" so I guess now, everything is omnipotent; thus ... nothing is.
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This guy, like most armchair apologists, never actually takes the time to either a) think through what the arguments are or b) ask an actual atheist to explain their positions. Nope, instead he just asserts that he's right and ignores anyone who doesn't agree with him.
"The Lord was with Judah, and He drave out the inhabitants of the mountain, but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." Judges 1:19. So I guess God is not all-powerful.
I’ve nothing against God, just the company He keeps.
Dude looks, and funnily enough seems to think/reason, like a common ancestor
you’re too right
Thanks, @CoolHardLogic
Now for my own thoughts...
Are we sure he didn’t just make a tier list of how bad the apologetic counter-arguments to the atheist arguments are?
Frankly, the way he misunderstands the "god of the gaps" makes me wonder what he thinks any of this means.
I will be an atheist when I leave my parents house… if I ever get a job that is…(I’m 17).
So I can claim to be God because you can't prove otherwise. I didn't know we used reversed burden of proof, but apparently we do, so worship me.
If I were a theist that'd be good enough for me
Wow. A while ago some counter-apologist UA-camrs also made tier lists for Christian arguments, the contrast is stark.
They actually understood the Christian positions, able to accurately portray and even steelman them; never dismissing an argument out of hand, taking each seriously before commenting and laying out criteria for strengths and weaknesses.
As Aron Ra once said “Give me no good reason to believe you and I have no good reason to believe you”
Complains about nerds doing things...maybe if he read more he'd not make so many basic English errors.
If "free will" can be "misused", then it isn't free. That's some Henry Ford "Any colour you like as long as it's black" level non-choice.
Last time I saw a strawman this stupid I was watching Wurzel Gummage
"Evolution doesn't disprove god."
Who's making that argument? Is he confusing abiogenesis and evolution?
It's only creationists who make that argument ime.
You would think even a tiny bit of research instead of " Um er well i don't know " would help his terrible arguments.
What's up with this guy's captions?
6:28 "JESUS CHRIST ROSE FROM BED" (😂 twice!)
🧬 9:21 "EVOLUTION THEORY AS KAPUOI BIRD GOD" (wtf 😅?)
plus "GOD IS... MAXIMALLY LOBBLING OKAY" 14:17
is he trolling himself? I can't work out what's going on here...
I love the 'There is a good reason to deny all those other gods' argument, especially the rigorous reasoning behind it! Let me see, there's a good reason to deny the christian god's existence. That was easy, wasn't it?
How does someone make a list to make a video about and then not even remotely gather his thoughts beforehand? Dude’s infuriating.
If we have free will that means what we do isn't going to be stopped or judging It's a contradiction right?
This guy is an amazing example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. He speaks with intense confidence about a subject he very clearly has never actually learned anything about. He needs to call into AXP or Truth Wanted
The cross isn't enough refers to Jesus's suffering and death was very little in comparison to all the sin it was supposed to make up for. As Matt Dillahunty said, "a bad weekend."
That guys reasoning was so dumb, it gave me brain cancer
6:39 And here is everything you need to know about this guy... "You could do all the math, all the nerd stuff." Yeah that's called science guy, that's how we find things out. Just making stuff up like you do doesn't make you "cool", and definitely doesn't make you intelligent or correct.
He admitted ignorance about the objective morality argument, which is one of the biggest issues in debates between atheists and apologists. Most of the things he didn't bother making a case for, which seems lazy.
Also there is a difference between clearly observable gravity (and its effects) and a theory of gravity.
This is F tier apologetics from top to bottom. At no point does he address the actual arguments behind these statements.
For example: evolution proves that humans came from apes negates the entire story of Adam and Eve and ORIGINAL SIN.
Without original sin, there's no "we live in a fallen world" argument they use to justify non-human caused suffering.
Without original sin, there's no need for Jesus to die on the cross to redeem mankind of original sin.
And when every fundamental aspect of the creation myth (read every instance of "divinely revealed wisdom") is debunked by science, then we have no reason to accept the other extraordinary claims up to and including the existence of god.