The History of the Vanir (Stargate SGA)
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Members of the Vanir are physiologically very similar to the Asgard, as they were descended from the same race. Like their Ida cousins, the Vanir employ cloning as a means of propagating their race. However, the Vanir have two small implants placed on their bodies, one located above the right eye and another on the left chest. It is unknown what purpose these devices serve, although it may be related to their more advanced cloning techniques.
Like the Asgard of the Ida galaxy, the Vanir suffered the negative effects of generations of cloning and re-cloning themselves and sought means by which to stabilize their genetic structure. However, where the Ida Asgard were unwilling to engage in acts that risked other lives in that endeavor, the Vanir, consumed with the desire to survive, believed that the ends justified the means. Their primary goal was survival, as they did not wish to end up like their distant cousins, which would result in the loss of a hundred thousand years of history. www.amazon.com... Check out my Awesome new Sci Fi Store!! Interested in helping this Channel grow? go here: / omegaordained
fun note, the azgaurd on the show were not props or kids in suits, they were a real alien species that wanted to be part of a human television show and thus were hired to star in the filming of episodes. Pretty neat!
anyone else think that the video had no sound because the intro was silent?
Sorry about that. I believe the song I used was super quiet in its own intro.😎👍
It amazes me that they didn't just travel back in time, collect all the genetic samples they needed while being undetected.
You would think time travel would have been far easier for the Asgard to do, then to descend someone to get at their genetic material.😎👍
@@OmegaOrdained apparently having a super genuis level intellect doesn't mean you always make good decisions.
So true, so true.😎👍
@@OmegaOrdained I'm assuming that you are a science fiction fan as well. How about fantasy?
Absolutely I'm a fantasy fan, when the Lord of the Rings The Fellowship of the Rings game out, it blew my mind! I have never seen a movie in the theaters more than once before that movie came out. I'd drag my wife to it about 7 times. I believe to this day she hasn't seen it again LOL oh, but you know I have, and I have the extended versions of all three original movies. At about the same time I was really into EverQuest the online massively multiplayer game. How about you what's your favorite fantasy genre?😎👍
I would have liked to see more of the Vanir in future seasons of SGA. It deserved to have more. I would have wrote it so that there were Vanir that had grown disillusioned with what they were doing and were working with Atlantis team. We've seen groups of individuals from alien races turn out good before. In SG1 we see the Tok'ra who are an offshoot if the Gaul'd and in the old V we see Visitors that helped the resistance. So we can see good people coming from evil races.
They got loose ends like this and I cant get an hour a week to see it continue.....UNBELIEVABLE
It would have been cool if the Ida Asgard’s had stored their consciousness in the computers given to the humans so when the Vanir perfected the cloning, there was a way to bring back the Asgard. With the moral questions of whether they would accept help based on research they would have condemned - a bit like the Star Trek voyager episode ‘nothing human’
That would be supercool. It was just the biggest hit in the entire show when we lost Thor and the Asrgards. My hearth was broken.
they may have as even by the time the show ended we had only seen 30% of the entire core stored data and the hols of the asgard were a little too like the real life version of them and the core had almost 40times more storage space than the entire ancient data base so we never find out the full extent of the stored data they may of created backups of their conssuousness within the core we just never found out
I still think its funny that the suits they used are the same ones from SGU
My opinion is that the Asgards and Vanir did not chose to ascend because of mobile communications.
Kurzweil, our greatest computer scientist hypothesized that our increasing access to our technology and to each other will create a virtual neocortex over our own existing biologic cortexes. We already see elements of this with children posting exam questions on social networks during the exam in hopes of receiving an answer in time, they also post polls as to what they should do on occasions.
It could be that neural implants granted them greater mobile communication, their concept of self extended beyond themselves to their computer databases and their community hence natural ascension would be seen as only ascending a part of themselves hence they had to artificially induce the ascension of the community.
The technologic implants of the Vanir could simply be the neural links and body monitoring links of 10,000 years ago which the Asgard has since integrated into their biology with genetic engineering.
The Asgard interest into Jack O'Neill was that he temporarily held the entire Ancient database within himself, a single individual. The Vanir and Loki's interest in studying humans is about how the individual concept of self could exist in a single individual. The lack of Asgard colonies and the few Asgards who space traveled indicates a distaste for the bandwidth and latencies of interstellar communication, the planet found in Atlantis that was designed to help ancients ascend had them living in primitive agrarian societies perhaps to distance themselves from technology and develop a strong sense of independent self-sufficient self. Even in our society, we benefit from the skills and knowledge of others, few airline passengers understand the fluid dynamics that allow the plane to fly, much of what we do and conceive of being able to do are only possible because of others in society. I see this progression of society for individuals to be increasingly interrelated and the possibilities of mind to mind and mind to computer interaction as being the achille's heel that the Asgards and Vanir are trying to address and the Asgards chose an induced mass ascension not unlike what the Asuran rebels attempted which with the Asgards looked to us as a planetary suicide while the Vanir who are 10,000 years behind the Asgards in integrating themselves together with their technology and to each other, still hoped for isolating themselves into individuals as the Ancients had done. Certainly makes those suggested weeks away from your smart phones more meaningful.
I blame the Borg, Cybermen and Daleks on advanced mobile communications via neural implants too. Beware the Sprint cube...
That's good. 😎👍
Too bad they (Atlantis) didn't think of disabling all stargates in the pegasus galaxy (such as with Baal's virus or akin) before reactivating the attero device rather than destroying it. Okay no more gate travel but no more wraith! At least, they could have disabled them and chassed them all around the galaxy like they did with the Ori ships for a time. That could have taken a few years to get rid of them all but it's so much better than the alternative... And then obviously shut the attero device to allow gate travel again. Or even study the device just to make a short range version. This could still have been a great advantage!
That would have been a great tactic not sure why they didn't do it😎👍
The Ancients were brilliant at tech, not tactics.
No more gate travel temporarily as they knew how to defeat the computer virus. However, the Wraith showed they were quite apt at modifying the stargates and might have reactivated them to be vindictive and perhaps force a cessation of the Atteros strategy. Besides, other forms of hyperspace travel still worked so they would only have to modify their technology or co-opt the technology of others to defeat the Atteros device.
they didn't do it because it was forbidden technology from janus. It's possible that the Ancient didn't even knew the reason why the gates overloaded, since Janus hid all evidence and their was no indication of the attero device in the ancient libary ( at least not in the parts that Mc Kay checked.... )
@@falkj.beinker6561 You'd think at least one Ancient would leave instructions behind on how to build more Stargates and/or Zero Point Modules.
Always wanted those nameless, shape shifting crab people to become recurring villains.
You know what I just realized? The Destiny and the armored suits in the Destiny have very similar designs to the Vanir battle suits... Is the Destiny really an Ancient ship?
The suits were Lantean, they comformed themselves to the wearer. That's how Jackson and McCay were able to wear them. They also had them on Destiny.
Really? I thought the Asgard made them. Thanks for the info bro!😎👍
@@OmegaOrdained no prob Bob. I got the whole series on DVD seen it three times. Whole. Some episodes up to seven.
I got the whole series as well on DVD. I have only seen it once but I'm going to binge it as soon as I'm done binge-watching Babylon 5 LOL😎👍
I gotta get Bab 5.
Christopher Johnson it's so good!😎👍
The Scout ship was able to get to earth from the Pegasus Galaxy in 50 hours...about twice as fast as the 304 with a ZPM. That's about 500 Million xC
Not kidding i fucking love them armor suits
The device they have to reverse ascended beings could come in useful should Anubis or Adria return.
Of course the puddle jumper shot down a massive spaceship. It used a drone which is about the all time ultimate weapon.
I just don't get why they called them Vanir, ok the fertility thing fits if badly but the Vanir were gods of healing with a respect for all life.
It just seems like a lazy way to keep a theme.
Well, the real Vanir (which BTW is NOT pronounced as veneer) had so little written of them, we just dont know the names of any but the three who lived with the Aesir (asgard)
Oh sure, someone is gonna say but i goggled and found a list of like 15-20, but the truth is that is lazy research, many who have researched the Vaanir have simply thrown any name that wasnt tied to Aesir into the Vanir pile and called them Vanir, when really many of these fertility deities were simply stragglers, not tied to either Aesir or Vanir
You have to remember there would have been hundreds if not thousands of old pagan gods scattered across Scandanavia and Britain, almost every village or town wouldve had their own local gods, or at least their own local names for their God of Death, Goddess of Harvest and so on
So really the only Vanir anyone can truly name are Njord and his twins Freyja and Frey
We can guess that Njord's Sister Wife may well have been Jord, it fits, him the god of the bounty of the sea, and her the goddess of earth, but its a guess, and besides Jord is written to be Thor's Mother which of course just complicates things
But yeah, thought i'd write this anyway to try and dispel the popular misconception that "_If its not and Aesir it must be a Vanir_" that lazy theological historians have allowed to fester over the last 200 years
So to be fair to the SG writers, theyre damned if they do and damned if they dont
I mean they wrote in Dis, who was definitely a female deity (but male in the show), and where the name Disir comes, in other words Dis wasnt a single goddess but a clan of goddesses and other female magical beings, technically the Valkyrie were Disir too, as were the Norns
But thats all too deep for SG discussion, and would probably require i write another ten thousand words
PS when i say true, in reference to any of the above, it is with the caveat "according to the eddas and other sources"
Whether or not the gods and goddesses of our heritage are real or not is up for each of you to decide
@@isty4491 Most fertility goddess names seem to be different names for Freyja. Lots of the gods had many names.
@@ChrissieBear Indeed, after all Freyja really just means Lady (as in noblewoman), it almost certainly wasnt the only name even _she_ was known by
The various goddesses names are mostly forgotten largely thanks to christian scribes who didnt much like the idea of powerful women at all, let alone goddesses (heaven forbid!), the only reason they maintained Freyja and her split identiy Frigga (which mean Beloved btw) is because they wanted to paint Frejya as the original witch type, giving attributes of promiscuity, affinity to cats, magic and death (necromancy).
Whilst painting Frigga as the good wife and mother, who raised children, stayed at home, wove, cook and performed other domestic duties
Having the two serve as examples of what women should and shouldnt do or behave like, in other words if you were not a good wife and mother you were almost certainly a wanton women, a witch or a harlot
All that aside, I - who identify myself as a Pagan - dont really care too much about their "actual" names
I assume that both me and the god or goddess knows who i am speaking with, i see the names as various "hats" they have worn over the centuries and millennia and have changed them many times, in other words, they answer by the names we call them
Also for the record, i view Freyja more as the fertility that relates to child and animal birth, and see Sif more as the feritility relating to crops and things that grow
These are of course just my views, and i wouldnt wish them to be construed as me saying how others should see them
When it comes to historical and mythological _facts,_ they are very few and rarely to be trusted
When it comes to worship and spirituality it comes down to faith
I still want to know who is behind the berserker drones.
I've noticed that the sound volume varies quite a bit from video to video. Is that my computer or something with your uploads? Have a wonderful day.
Nothing wrong with your setup my friend! Getting the volume just right is really really hard. I've been playing around with it these last few episodes. Thank you for the heads up I appreciate it!😎👍
Indeed, indeed.
I was always curious why the Atlantis Expedition didn't voluntarily give the veneer or the Asgard replicator table that they had on Atlantis and just let the Asgard create human form or Asgard form replicators that they can download their Consciousness into
Great. I never watched the second ep. Sound good.
Why didn't Daniel offer to take them back to Ida galaxy in exchange for shutting down the artero device. They may not have accepted but it would have solved everyones problem.
I have the entire Star Gates series and do not remember about all this on the venirs. . . juset te part about the Atero device. . . where did you get all this infos about them ? ?
Its from one of the novels 😎👍
i do hope we get to see more of the Vanir in the future of the stargate series will look any different from their current state in the next generation of the Vanir would the tests even work
Ran Denoting her Eggs or if it did only a tiny part of the offspring survived or many did grow up to adults but only a handful could have healthy child's with or without the add of medical
in the natural way like we do unless the Asgard don't carry offspring like we do i don't know this is a side of their biology that's never had a reason to come up hmm but since they need
the help of medical aid in this situation the tech that allowed to clone themselves over the ages could seriously altered for this test tube babies of for this generation to even have a
chance to get really weird i have serious doubts that female humans would be Volunteering to carrying the Asgard Offspring term full term heck likely biologically incompatible not just
saying the first generation of the Asgard species could take a tests to see what will work with The Damaged clone DNA with Ran's eggs but what will work & maybe a few them will look
from each other & not because Clones & half siblings yeah that bit of them being half sibling is something that Brothers Me at same rate if they do have a tiny of cloned eggs that are
still very damage even if those eggs only create a less then handful genetic diversity females in their genetic is extremely beyond if the Asgard species is that Similar even their are Big
difference between us sigh if their genetics work anything ours in the human genetics then they would need to get the female genetic diversity up! not just to well help create more babies
by carrying them i mean that reason alone is good enough for anyone but if the two species are anything like each other genetically humans & the Asgard then they are going to Need
more females then males of their own to start with only female genetic ancestor of their species is truth is really not a good start but it's way better nothing & it makes hard & complex
for them to start with how Navigate though with so many half siblings situation but i know a lot of people nag me to heck their Alien the Asgard are pretty much as different we can get
beside some rouge Asgard like Loki doing not proved abductions of the humans studying i guess Loki's choice of studying may let light on some biological similarities to Humans & the
Asgard are more alike then the truth seems look i'm not trying to look to fair in it but who knows plus Nothing say this info about Ran helping this is Canon sadly but their could be a better
answer they could find or the few Cloned eggs aren't beyond Using depending on where they get those cloned Eggs & how much Usable genetic diversity & how far though cloning process
that eggs went though their species how close to original women hopefully more one mother even if The situation with Ran becomes canon or they change the events in the book i would
rather see character Ran as Canon also to see what the Asgard looked long before the Cloning events happened to their species what she looks like & the details on what is Ascension is like
for the Asgard Plus i rather use the Vanir when talking about the Current name people of their species their species name will likely still be known as the Asgard but like how we call our humans
But our Scientific name is Homo sapiens but the Vanir call themselves the Vanir I know it sounds silly i just like Acknowledge that this Group see themselves in a different light sadly
their are no known artwork of Ran the Asgard looked in the book she was taller then the Normal Clone? did she have hair where her eyes black & smallish like a human's eye or Black & large
when comparing them to her altered bothers & sisters was her skin the gray purple like them or pink purple gray like the noxs or pinker gray like a humans but still different or was she short
even by the her kind standers what little is described well she's not too much taller then her the modern Vanir & she does have hair the hair length isn't said or it is up in a hairstyle that makes
it harder to be Should how long it is nor what color is her hair is? or what her eyes look like as well noting about her clothing likely white clothes of cream hues knowing how Ascended beings
show themselves what she looked in artwork would nice to see both her & Guessing what the Asgard species looked like before everything with the cloning happened i know theirs Asgard
being in a stasis pod? by looks of it male as Asgard or they don't have the same Body parts like Females & males compared to humans but maybe their hidden info in the Asgard tech that
the Asgard from Adi galaxy left for the humans to help bring them back & they didn't bothered saying anything because they their computers would bring this info up once the humans started
to understand more of the info of their culture History how their tech work o Even message of their Long lost relatives the Vanir where to start finding them at least any last know clues to their
where areas they where in i wouldn't be surprise at all that they left the seeds of their species coming back after a while studying their tech now that doesn't mean the genetic material that
the Asgard from Adi galaxy doesn't have issues & they may have simply didn't have to time to do the full Experiments & tests so putting those Genetic material in their best stasis machines for
it plus we don't know if their was even more hidden info that the Asgard hide from us that the genetic material isn't 100% theirs too & maybe that Genetic material may be full on Embryos many
Viable Embryos that could be Adi galaxy Asgard/earth Human hybrids heck they could have taken the extra steps so one those hybrids could Survive & We couldn't just say no to this situation
their also actual our cousins in theory i know this is a step that seems to goes against their beliefs systems & they where planning to give the rest of the info their race to us so i guess this
hidden surprise isn't to crazy for them to do plus the Asgard as we known are Gone yes the Vanir are nearly the same as the Asgard from the Adi galaxy but they are tiny bit different in wiki info
but unlike the situation with The Vanir & Ascended being Ran the Adi galaxy Asgard leaving any hidden surprises in their tech or some where else in a hidden area for only the tau'ri to find
maybe it's not craziest theory out their for the Asgard to do this But isn't Canon in any Form at least situation with The Vanir & ran is closer to just possible being seriously as Canon even if it's
in the Books i know most of the fandom don't like the books but this could Exception for this case an alter any issues in it by putting in Main Canon for the future
I'm confued about the source of the seconde vanir story with the decended asgard. Where was this sory told?(not in the SGA series, that i'm pretty certain)
It's from one of the novels I believe
Wait. Aren't they the same suits as from SGU
Yuppers 😎👍
Theoretically they could be designed or retrofitted from ancient tech, since the Vanir were using alot of abandoned ancient technology. 🤔
I thought I watched all the episodes, and I got the DVDs a couple of years ago. And yet, this is completely unfamiliar. Mandela effect?
Some of this history is from the novels. You're good!😎👍
@@OmegaOrdained is it considered Canon
Can you do one on the asgard core
That's a good idea 💡
Can you tell me the two episodes with the veneer
They are in the episodes, First Contact and the lost tribe in stargate Atlantis 😎👍
Where did you get your information like the mission with the puddle jumper
2:29 space engineers
I’m surprised they didn’t try crossbreeding with humans or ancients to create new bodies capable of reproduction.
Me too 😎👍
Physiologically similar, not psychologically similar.
If anything, their psychology was their biggest difference.
Bro, put some music at the start.... Anything but silence. O_o
Hahaha thanks, I believe that was an audio error, I didn't ketch at the time. It was supose to have music hahaha😎👍
I don't remember the episode were Rodney McKay shoots down the Vanir ship with a puddle jumper. Could you tell me what episode that is?
Greetings James oh, it was in the SGA episode undescended. McKay was trying to disable the ship, but he accidentally destroyed it.😎👍
@@OmegaOrdained thank you and great job
I thought I saw every episode of sga but I never even heard of this second vanir episode.
@@JOESMITH-qs8ue right thats what i was saying i have them all on dvd and i havent seen that one the second one hes talken about
Hey sorry about that it wasn't from an episode it was from a novel the unascended and the third path we're both novels. 😎👍
i would assume not all asgard have dabbled in cloning. it doesn't seem like something everyone would be okay with from a species xD
What's the full script of those runes? You can't just show us "fish" without explaining why it is there.
someone knows what episode dr. weir ascend, and have this interaction with the Vanir?
It's in one of the books
This racr needed so much more show time then they have gotten.
What waa the second episodes name (the one about egs)
Didn't you mean physiologically? Psychologically they couldn't be any more different.
The suits were of Atlantean design not veneer
The Vanir WERE Asgard, just not very nice ones.
Sholva Kree
never herd the egg part. were is this?
The novels
4:33 where did you get the information post this timestamp? Not the show?
One of the novels I think 😎👍
@@OmegaOrdained which one??
SE Ship used.
The veneered Vanir
Why not upload into a cyborg body. Should be easier than all the other tech they were capable of.
Uploading only copies your soul. It doesn't transfer it.
They want children, to copy yourself is to make no new versions, eventually you'll still die out, children are important for species survival!
Mosie under the Crane
*The Asgard.*
their suits were so cool and brutal, better than Mandalorian lol
I agree there exo-suits were pretty cool. But come on, they can't compare to the Mandalorian, that is not the way.😎👍
@@OmegaOrdained lol, imagine battle between them. Without plot armor I would make a bet on Vanir but they would fail if both sides are without suits lol
That would be a badass crossover! 😎👍
my mind is a bit swiss cheese they days, were the Ursini ever (even in beta canon) linked to the Asgard / Vanir ? or would that just be sloppy writing?
nope no mention of them at all. the ursini tech didn't seem that far along
But u got something big wrong! The device didn't affect stargates it instantly destroyed any ship that entered hyperspace
it did affect stargates. it blew them up on both sides when dialed. it only destroyed wraith ships while leaving other hyperdrive tech alone. that was a side effect the inventor Janus didn't foresee and couldn't deal with.
It only destroyed wrath ships while destroying any activated stargate
Fleet - demotion race
Among us
Fake
Bro it's a TV show
Hahaha😅🤣😂
Good video. Well done. 👍
Thank you kindly 😎👍
I bet the resource the Can it needed was Trinium and Naquadah
Sorry I don't get UA-cam changed Vanir to Can .. Autocorrect is a pain
I have the same problem all the time LOL 😎👍