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Absolutely do not buy a sinker as your first wing foil board - that will not work at all. Go for 20-30L more than your weight in Kg. Or get lessons and get past the initial stages of learning and then get maybe +10L.

@@Wing-Tips Done is done, I can’t fix that anymore. I guess I will have to buy another board on top of the 62L Ozone Rise I got here. (I am 67 kg without wetsuit) Lessons, I will probably need too many, until I get the proper start technique right, I assume.

@@IJzzo a good school with decent winds can probably get you on foil in maybe 3-4 lessons. Otherwise look for a cheap second hand board that you can move on later. I would not even bother trying to get on the 62L until you can reliably get on foil and go upwind - otherwise you will have some long walks carrying all your gear.

@@Wing-Tips Long walks remembers me on my time when I attempted to learn to kiteboard. I have spent weeks walking back upwind… I don’t really want to have that experience again.

@@IJzzo yeah, walks of shame are not fun.

thanks, hope it was helpful in making some choices.

yeah this is a tough one as there are quite a lot of factors to consider. If we start with materials - the flow is just dacron and riptstop. The Unit has the SLS version and all their wings come with mod 3s canopy treatment - so longevity should in theory be better on the Unit. If we then move to performance - the flow is a wave wing, so if your focus is primarily waves then that would suit better and it also tacks lovely. The Unit on the other hand is a more freeride orientated wing - more playful than the flow and jumps way better - but the Flow has it beat on tacks and flagging out. The Unit has better low end. I hope that helps.

I don't do much of the heel to toe foot switching as I prefer to do race or heineken gybes or heel side tacks. If I find I'm doing them more I my make a tutorial but at the moment it's not something I do that much or feel qualified to do a tutorial about.

the d/lab is a mono block foil and due to that it is more efficient (ie. more glide and a smoother ride) as you would expect from any mono block. The fuselage is also carbon, so overall it is also lighter than the bolt on foil and aluminium fuselage. Also the fuselage comes down in size on the smaller mono block front foils but with a bolt on foil the fuselage stays the same size. You can quite happily carve the glide on waves, it is a foil that turns well but you may want to use the smaller 37cm fuselage (equivalent to 60cm) rather than the 41cm which is equivalent to a 66cm aluminium. It is a lot faster to swap foils if you aren't using a mono block foil.

Glad you enjoyed it!

That's a tough one as they are quite different wings. The reedin is really light, playful and flags out really well but I think the flow is probably a little better upwind. For wave riding flag out they are probably similar although I'd pick the reedin as it is lighter. But then for durability neither of these wings are using any treated or exotic materials. So for durability you would have to come down to weight - the flow is made of heavier materials and so is probably more durable purely due to that.

price fixing is banned in the UK - I didn't realise it was possible in NZ. Thanks for the comment.

@Wing-Tips yea it's rife with monopolies, duopolies and cartel like behavior here. There's just not the population for competition.

@@Wing-Tips oh and to get a set of duotone foils I am having to order from Australia...

@lewiss66 if you usually ride sinker boards and are of a good intermediate standard, then the 55L. If you are at the level of just gybing but not tacking yet, then the 70L.

I've run F-One foils on my Swift boards - no issue. I think the 73 would certainly be a lot less sticky than a 24" board. Obviously the sinking under your weight and stability/balance getting onto it are not going to change much for the extra 3L over your rocket board. So it much depends what you want the most - if it is just getting faster acceleration onto foil once you stand up then the 73L will do the job. If you want more stability and balance for getting on the board and better acceleration getting onto foil then the 83L.

@@Wing-Tips Thanks Ash - i agree with your feedback. Appreciate also the response on F-one. Love your videos - whats next??

@@northyvids there will be some more breakdown videos, I haven't done my foiling 360 video breakdown yet and I want to do some videos on behind the back tack and some basic jumping break downs. I have the whole duotone range of foils to test and compare - the blitz, carve, glide and whizz. I have the 2025 Duotone Unit review to complete and will also be doing the Float when it gets released. I should also have some reviews for the Ozone flux (v2 hopefully) as well as the new 2025 North wings. Plus there are some new North boards coming that I think will be worth a look. I will probably have a bit of a play with some parawings later in the year. I also want to see if I can get a frontside 360 jump landed this coming year - so there may be some videos on that and how I go about learning to do it. It will all depend on how busy my day job gets as I'm not in the wing foil industry and run my own software business - so sometimes that dictates how much free time I have for videos.

I may get an opportunity to do this in the coming year as I still have enough bits that I can run an axis foil if I wish. Having ridden Axis a lot I can probably give you my educated guess without riding them as my expectation will be that the Duotone will be more forgiving and easy to ride and the Axis will probably have a bit more glide but be more technical to ride. This has been my finding from riding multiple foil brands - Axis are generally less forgiving foils, they prioritise glide performance above low end, friendly stall characteristics, pitch stability and ease of use. Duotone (and North) value ease of use and a forgiving foil with friendly characteristics over outright performance. My preference is a friendly foil that helps you progress over scraping out a bit more performance at the cost of that. Again this is just my guess, I haven't ridden it yet, but it has been my finding on all previous Axis iterations.

@Christian-sh9uh they are not unstable boards. Even if you find it more tippy than your wide board at first, you will get used to and overcome it within a few sessions.

I don't do behind back tacks very often as it's a relatively new move for me and I can't do them easily with the camera pole on my back. So I don't have an answer for you on that. I can tell you the new unit flags better than the slick - but that is a comparison to dacron, the alulla version of the slick is lighter and so it will likely flag a little better than the dacron version. So it would be hard to guess as to whether a alulla slick or dacron unit would be better at a flagged move like the behind back tack. The new units boom is closer to the front of the wing and has the pistol grip - so I would say the unit has the advantage for all of that. The slick backwinds quite well due to the proximity of boom to strut, so it may well have a slight advantage there.

@@Wing-Tips Thanks! Nice to know about the forward grip position of the Unit boom. That’s a big plus for me. I’ve been riding Slicks since they first came out (even Echo’s and the original 2019 wings) but I’m guessing the transition to Unit booms won’t be all that bad when the time comes. Maybe even a few pluses. I travel from the US to Australia every year with 4 Slicks and just keep one boom (and one board) there to avoid oversized charges. Guessing that the Units will add to bulk and weight. Oh well, at least some time to see how things keep evolving

no, I'm quite happy with my decision to leave - it gives me access to some other very good foils like the Whizz (which is better than the Spitfire for small, slower moving, wind blown swell) and the Carve - which is better than anything Axis have for jumps. Plus the new Blitz is on the way which is a racing foil. I'm a winger through and through - Duotone are very focussed on winging and wing disciplines, Axis are more focussed on prone and downwind.

@@secondlife7976 I assume you mean the North Sonar DW900 and DW750

there is no way to test Gong foils unless you borrow from a friend - I don't have any friends on Gong foils and due to that they were not on my list. Foils should ideally be ridden before you put money to a purchase.

A couple of things to check - one is that you are pumping to the correct pressure. A lot of hand pumps don't read correctly. If someone at your beach has an electric pump then get them to pump your wing to correct pressure and then have a feel to make sure you understand how stiff the leading edge and strut should be. Generally canopy bagging shows up as the canopy being cupped where it attaches to the stronger seam that runs along the back of the wing. So it looks like where the canopy attaches to that trailing edge seam there is a excess of material. Mod 3 is pretty hard wearing, so I would be very surprised if you have bagged a wing in 20 sessions as I go two seasons (two years) with my wings (although they are Units not Slicks) and I ride several days a week - hundreds of sessions over two years. One key thing is to use your wing in the appropriate wind, you can bag a wing quickly by using it massively over powered, always go in and change down rather than hanging onto an over powered wing.

@Wing-Tips for sure I didnt ride overpowered,at least the opposite: and I thought this happened due to too much pumping with basically no wind,but I dont know if this make sense.I use a Duotone hand pump and reach 8.5/9 psi vs the 7.5 reccomended...and I found the loss of tension only in the rear part

@@alexcelli2545 the rear is meant to be slightly loose, only the front third or so of the canopy should be tight. I suspect your wing is fine and you are just over thinking it - they are expensive items after all.

@@Wing-Tips thank you so much!!!front part of the canopy is very tight!!!

Owned a couple of slicks, nice wings but bag out in no time.

I've not flown the Gong Droid but I have friends who like it. The Slick and Unit pump are not that technical compared to some wings where the technique is really quite specific. I feel like the Unit and Slick are wings where you just go at it with a fairly short cadence and it works, no need for any special circular motions or holding at odd angles to make it work. The Slick does fly vey light - it is one of the things I like about it, it hides it's true weight very capably.

@@Wing-Tips I tried the 2024 Unit last year and found it gruntier/more sheet-and-go than the Slick, so easier to start. In that sense, the Droid is a bit more similar to the Unit I would say. But last year I was on Strikes v3's so EVERYTHING felt "easy" to get going lol. Another point of sale for the Droid is the price of course. Duotone Alula etc. is like double+ the price of the Droid Aramid, and the Droid includes the boom. I've ridden the Droid since June now and ride very often, and it is still tight and thus holding up surprisingly well! Give em a try if you have the chance, I think you might be pleasantly surprised!

@@strekke1986 the only reason I haven't tried them is they aren't a wing you can try without borrowing a mates one as they have no retail presence in the UK.

@@Wing-Tips that is indeed the biggest downside of the Gong business model. You have to buy blind, no way to test... I first bought a board of them (Lethal 2023), and then liked it so gained some trust in the brand and pulled the trigger on a Midlength Cruzader 5'6 XL, and the Droid Aramid, with no regrets. I now have a smaller Droid Aramid X on the way but the decision was difficult as on paper, as a wave oriented rider, I should just get a Neutra. But because I could not test I just stuck to what I know I like already and got a small Droid to expand the quiver. Would love to switch to their foils as well (currently on F-One) but really hard to do without first testing, especially because they have so many different foils also in the new v3 range (Fluid vs Veloce would be my main contenders). Maybe come summer 2025 I will just drive down to France and see what I can test locally maybe...

@@strekke1986 indeed, I've had Gong gear in the past and the issue of hit and hope buying was what took me away from it. I much prefer to try stuff and then buy knowing it suits me.

Well the reason is that the Unit and the Slick have been getting closer and closer to each other to the point that they are effectively the same wing now with very minor differences. So the obvious solution was to make the handles swappable and then just use the one wing. The new Unit with a boom and the previous Slick are very similar, the only difference now being that the new 2025 Unit flags out a bit better but the downside is that this reduced the manoeuvrability of the wing a little. So they haven't actually killed the golden goose, it is still here, it is just called a Unit now.

Slick sales were 25% of Unit sales. Unit is number one selling wing in the world. So core down the line wave wing replaces Slick this Spring. 25 Unit is the freestyle back flipping machine.

I would also make the case for the 25 Unit boom making all wing handling easier and more user friendly than the Slick boom. The pistol grip is more fun. The reach to grab the boom more friendly.

@@foilsurfmachines that is true - but at the expense of not being able to easily switch the boom from wing to wing. Old Slick you can buy one boom and move it easily between wings, new Unit you really have to buy a boom per wing, which makes things more expensive but you at least have the convenience features of pistol grip and easier to reach.

@@foilsurfmachines yes the "Float" is the new boom wing for wave riding - and I kind of hope they put some of the manoeuvrability back into the unit once that is out. Making the unit and the float wave orientated doesn't make a lot of sense. Unless they can keep the good flag out on the unit and get the old ease of tacking back into the wing - that would be welcome.

thanks for the clarification.

welcome to the duotone party

I didn't consider Code because their is no local dealer for them. They are also currently a more downwind orientated foil and moving from Axis was to get away from that downwind focus as I generally don't like downwind style foils. Too high AR. Full plane or monoblock - I'm sure people understand what I mean. The key point is I don't want to use bolt on front wings anymore - if possible - or especially for foils meant to deliver better glide. The mast situation with Axis was just annoying, not every mast needs to be capable of handling an ART PRO 1201 and everybody is driving towards better profile masts for speed and glide. I'm never on a front wing larger than 1000cm2 - so the whole Ultra HM stiffness is just not required.

@@Wing-Tips Well Code R are focused on DW, Code S are focused more on prone. The S is a very popular winging wing though. The S is only 9.5 AR, lower than your new Duotone. While you might be riding smaller foils you are still using a 90 cm mast so I'm sure there is a big advantage for HM or UHM carbon there even on small span foils, but the Axis UHM price is crazy.

@@slappysurf it will always help to make the mast stiffer, the question is by how much and whether you actually notice. I don't struggle in the least to control the foils I am using. The mast I am using is the D/Lab High Modulus slim - it's not ultra high modulus. The question on the table there being what do these terms actually mean as I'm sure there is actually some proper quantifiable bend measurement and the HM and Ultra HM we are told of is just the manufacturer dumbing it down. How Duotone HM compares to Axis HM I've no idea and unless someone does well controlled bend tests we won't know. Suffice to say the mast I have is HM and it feels pretty stiff to me - albeit it now another 4cm longer than my previous Axis HM mast and thinner. What I have is not impacting the fun I'm having and that is the real measure of whether it is doing the job I guess.

@@Alfonso_111 sometimes demo is a little restricted, F-One isn't in high demand in our area and so the demo range is reflective of that reduced interest. I think I'm the only one who ever took the demo SK8 out for a test.

Something else compared to other axis foils, right?

You've sailed at Meon - these would just be too spanny for our choppy waters. AR 10 to 11 is about as high as you want to go for our conditions (winging).

@@Wing-Tips I'm riding in Scotland, we have big tides so a lot of current and chop. We ride a spot that has over 8 knots of current with very short period waves, boils and whirlpools, the ultimate test of a foils ability to handle turbulent water. The Fireballs (and ART V2's) are just fine, completely different handling to ART Pro's. The difference with the Fireballs is the crazy low end and gentle stall characteristics compared to previous high aspect foils from Axis.

@@andycorbe what you are describing on the fireball is exactly what the glide v2 has....but it is a full plane, cheaper and can be jumped, plus I have full use of an affordable tapered mast.

@kevinfalck223 the phazer is a more traditional shaped board, being shorter and wider per volume compared to the FR. So whilst I haven't ridden them back to back, the overall dimensions would suggest the FR to have some advantage in acceleration and early release.

@steveca96 no, the issue was we had no wind when the 83L FR became available. So whilst I had an 85 skybrid on demo, I didn't have an equivalent volume FR to compare it with only one 12L smaller. However, there was little to choose between the 73L FR and the 85L skybrid in terms of ease of release for me at 80kg. Given the overall dimensions of FR and skybrid in similar volumes are almost identical, I expect there would not be a huge difference between them.

It’s a build option, you can have it with or without handle

@Tobeon2 as already answered, these are custom built, so if you want any modification, you can ask for it.

@kevinnickel14 I don't have them here to measure but I will get you a measurement. Which size of board did you want the thickness for?

@ 93L. Thanks!

​@kevinnickel14 the 93L is 4.8 inches or 121mm over the mast tracks

@@Wing-Tips thanks Ash!

@GARAASJ they are pretty easy to get going. I don't know where you are on your board size journey but if you are ready to size down a bit then dropping 10L from wherever you are now is generally a manageable drop. If you are already as low volume as you want to go then you won't be disappointed with a similar volume to what you already ride.

My current board is 100l at 88kg but if there’s decent wind and the water isn’t as cold as it is now, I’m happy on my 45l. I guess this FR is a good one board quiver and as such a size around or slightly below your weight is ideal?

@GARAASJ if you want to light wind ride it then maybe 5 to 10kg under your weight. If you go more than 20 then you are heading back into short board characteristics.

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yeah would have been nice to try the Eagle X - it was a foil of interest on my list but sadly not one the local shop brought in for demo. Beaches tend to favour certain brands and F-One hasn't really taken hold in our area of the coast. So local shops are therefore reluctant to bring them in as they will sit and not sell - regardless of whether they are a good foil or not. I will be playing around with some stabs and fuselages - I came from Axis and had no end of stabilisers and fuselages with them, so there is some research to do on the Duotone range.

yeah I wish they would have changed the fuselage right back when they did the ART PRO range - that was when it was needed.

@andrewmitchell9892 sadly it isn't, they are all labelled no jumping and I jump. Also, not a full plane but the price of one. I'm glad it works for you but for me it doesn't meet the criteria for my use.

@@Wing-Tips I believe you are mistaken here, the ARTv2's are all fine to jump and not labeled against it

@@slappysurf maybe they changed their mind, that said I wouldn't trust them for that anyway. The ART V1s were also supposedly fine to jump and I've seen many of those broken at the fuselage connection from jumping.

@@Wing-Tips I don't jump but I will say my ARTPRO wings are pretty damn sturdy. I rode in to an asphalt boat ramp at full speed and it mostly just buffed out.

@@slappysurf I do foil repairs for the local shop now and then, so I get to see what occurs with accidents. Most foils tend to take a hit pretty well but as they are getting thinner over time the leading edges and wing tips are becoming less tolerant of big hits. I have seen ART foils broken completely at the edge of the fuse connection - usually from a jump. It's not surprising they break there - it is the weakest part of the foil due to the way the fuse connects and how thin it gets in that area. I wouldn't say it's an epidemic of broken ARTs by any means at all - just the ones I've seen always seem to break in the same place.

@rndlab2 I've yet to ride a carve, but interested to see what they are like.

That was only part of the reason - the main reason was they are all labelled "do not jump", which means no warranty if you jump and they break. Plus they are significantly over priced for a bolt on foil. I moved because of pricing due to the need to use UHM - which is a fuselage design issue and I wanted to move to full planes not bolt on foils. No tapered mast except for 3000 bucks version, lack of focus on winging - the reasons are numerous. The video is a journey of trying things and I was very explicit as to what I wanted - the ART v2 and fireball fail the criteria.

can you describe the difference they create, just so I have an understanding of the change in characteristic over the H tails?

The S165 is the tail from the Whizz - correct?

Better turning and no loss of speed or glide. I use with +0.3 shim. Even on the h tail I prefer the shim when winging locks it in better in the chop and allows you to push it faster without getting twitchy. The h tail pumps better for prone, downwind sup and doo downwind wing but for everything else winging I prefer the s tail 😊

@@Wing-Tipsyeah I really like the s145 on the 750 but on the 620 I prefer the 165 as gives lower stall speed for turns in breaking waves at my 87kg

@@pastyadventures thankyou

I haven't ridden the Enduro yet but I have it on good authority that the Enduro and Glide are quite similar, the Enduro being a touch faster but the Glide being better at recovering back onto foil from jumps (if you are into freestyle)

thankyou, much appreciated

thanks Mark - you are welcome to try mine whenever you want (as you know)

absolutely agree - my new setup on duotone was originally just the 750 and 900 Glide. This is all I need for all conditions. I did buy the 620 as well but this was just because I wanted to try going fast, it serves that purpose but in reality I only need the 750 and 900, the 620 is really just a bit of fun but not actually needed.

you need a really good local shop that run a demo fleet - it makes the decisions process way easier

there are always new foils to try, they seem to keep getting better and better with time. The new fireballs are over 1000 pounds in the UK - and not even a full plane foil, so I'm just not onboard with this new exotic materials push.

it may be possible to do so, I'll have to have a word with my local shop but I think they may have an Aero Free in their demo fleet that hasn't seen the light of day as yet.

Aero Free are great easy to use foils but also now a 3 year old design. The Whizz and Glide 2 are next level 😊

@bbnchd6277 once you ride the right foil you realise what it is you have been missing.

So true

.... or sponsored to get these more cheaply by any entity

@CarkeekW I'm sponsored by my own wallet and a very understanding wife...does that count?

@Wing-Tips cheers , it's good info to have in these types of videos , I feel for your wallet.

​@Wing-Tips 😂😂..Very understanding wife .. please do NOT start riding a motorcycle yet..😂😂😂😅

I've ridden the North HA foils - the main difference would be in the low end, the Duotone foils come up easier than the North HA foils and will also fly slower before they stall.

Thank you @Wing-Tips for sharing your experience! I'm currently on north foils and wonder if the SF Range could have covered your needs better, as they feel like a mix between the ma V2 and the ha wings. More gilde than the Ma while having good speed - better low-end than the ha but good glide. But all in all no monoblock design. I like testing gear but as I have to many different north foils, so I m probably not switching soon. (HM85, c600/650/700, ma850/sf930/sf1080/ha1250/p1800 all with the dedicated back wings). Best greeting's from Germany

@@yonastestet3376 the SF certainly looks interesting, the local shop had one on order for me to try but it took a really long time to arrive and ultimately I didn't get to ride it. I may come back to it next year when the new demo gear arrives into my local shop.