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The Trans Inclusion Controversy That Took Over La Leche League w/Helen Joyce & Marian Tompson | 198
In this special episode, Sasha and Stella pass the mic to honorary guest host, journalist, author, and feminist campaigner, Helen Joyce, who interviews Marian Tompson, in connection with Joyce’s recent article about Marian in The Times, "Why I Quit the Breastfeeding Charity I Founded Over Trans Ideology".
Marian Tompson, along with six other mothers, founded the global breastfeeding support network, La Leche League, in 1956. In November 2024, Tompson resigned from both the organization and its Board of Directors, believing it had strayed from its original mission to support biological mothers in breastfeeding.
Helen’s conversation with Marian touches on the physiological intricacies of breastfeeding, the historical challenges women faced to maintain breastfeeding practices, and the broader implications of integrating transgender individuals into traditionally female-centered spaces like La Leche League. Together, they share a candid discussion exploring how biological realities, societal shifts, and ideological debates converge in today’s discourse on gender, motherhood, and breastfeeding.
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We Have a BIG Announcement! | Episode 197
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Nearing the podcast’s 200th episode just around the corner, Stella and Sasha mark the 4-year milestone of Gender: A Wider Lens! Together, they reflect on the show’s remarkable evolution and its impact on their respective professional journeys. With a vast catalog of episodes filled with profound insights, transformative stories, intriguing interviews, and relentless curiosity, the show has prog...
Are Puberty Blockers the Next Consumer Fraud Scandal? with Glenna Goldis | EP 196
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Sasha & Stella welcome seasoned attorney Glenna Goldis to the show, offering invaluable perspectives into the legal developments in gender medicine. With extensive knowledge of gender medicine and consumer fraud, Glenna provides a comprehensive analysis of pivotal legal cases and controversies in the U.S., breaking down complex legal language into accessible insights. She brings her expertise a...
The Autogynephilia Controversy, with Phil Illy | Ep 195
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Stella and Sasha welcome author and podcaster, Phil Illy, to the show for a thought-provoking conversation on sexuality, identity, and self-understanding. They engage with Phil’s concept of auto-heterosexuality, explore his interpretation of "erotic target identity inversion," and examine how these theories relate to broader discussions around sexuality and identity. As the discussion evolves, ...
How the Gender Agenda Captured Iceland, with Eldur Smári Kristinsson | Ep 194
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Join this channel to get access to additional bonus content: ua-cam.com/channels/P62aWWtlZV1oVnbMhTRBcg.htmljoin Stella and Sasha welcome freelance writer, free-thinker, and current chairman of the Lesbian and Gay Alliance in Iceland, Eldur Smári Kristinsson, offering a revealing overview of Iceland’s rapid societal transformation into what he describes as a "gender-crazed dystopia”. In this ep...
Frauds, Fetishes, and Frameworks in Today's Trans Movement, with Dr. Az Hakeem | Ep 193
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Stella & Sasha welcome author, psychiatrist, and psychotherapist Dr. Az Hakeem to the show, sharing his experience and insights from his extensive career spanning over two decades in the field of gender dysphoria. He reflects how he initially recognized the growing confusion around the issue and noted that the real "madness" was not in the individuals struggling with gender identity, but in soc...
Paving a Way Back for Detrans Lesbians, with Aaron Kimberly | Episode 192
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Sasha and Stella welcome Aaron Kimberly back to the show, nearly a year after her first appearance on the podcast. Aaron has undergone a remarkable transformation, returning to her female identity and embracing a new understanding and acceptance of herself. This episode delves into Aaron’s complex journey of self-discovery, shaped by her unique experiences with a rare ovotesticular disorder of ...
Holding the Line on Liberal Values with Helen Pluckrose and Carrie Clark
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Sasha and Stella welcome writers Carrie Clark and Helen Pluckrose to the show for thoughtful and provocative dialogue, critically examining the intersections of identity, sex-based rights, mental health, and societal influences. Drawing from both personal experiences and professional insights, they explore complex and sensitive ideas around self-expression, feminism, and gender, encouraging a n...
A Conversation with April Hutchinson, Champion for Women's Sports | Ep 190
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Sasha & Stella welcome April Hutchinson (@aprilhutchinson5801) - former team Canada powerlifter, North American deadlift record holder, fairness for women in sports advocate and grateful recovering alcoholic - where they discuss her incredible journey from battling alcohol addiction to becoming a world-class powerlifter. During COVID, she turned to powerlifting as part of her recovery, and with...
What Happened at the Genspect Conference in Lisbon | Episode 189
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EPISODE In this episode, Sasha and Stella reflect on the Bigger Picture Conference in Lisbon, discussing notable takeaways from various speakers. A key theme explored is how the gender debate has expanded into a multidisciplinary conversation, no longer just confined to therapists or concerned parents but drawing in academics, sociologists, and political thinkers worldwide. Their discussion cov...
Why Do People Double Down in the Face of Contrary Evidence? | Episode 188
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This conversation connects cognitive dissonance surrounding gender identity to cultural and institutional dynamics, including developments in gender medicine and resistance to emerging evidence that challenges prevailing medical practices - illustrating how deeply held beliefs become difficult to abandon even in the face of contradictory evidence. The core idea is that just because something ca...
Gender: A Wider Lens - Live from Lisbon with Billboard Chris | Episode 187
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Sasha and Stella speak live from the Genspect Conference in Lisbon, Portugal, with special guest Billboard Chris, a Canadian activist dedicated to challenging gender ideology through public engagement and thought-provoking messages. In this conversation, Chris explores the psychological and cultural forces influencing social changes around gender, sharing his motivations for activism and the jo...
Courage is Contagious, with Whistleblower Vanessa Sivadge | Episode 186
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If you work in pediatric gender medicine and have concerns about the safety of practice, you are not alone. Contact the LGBT Courage Coalition (www.lgbtcourage.org/whistleblowers) for guidance and support (including finding legal counsel and connecting you with media contacts). - - - In this episode, Stella & Sasha sit down with Vanessa Sivadge, a former pediatric nurse at Texas Children's Hosp...
Tales From Genderland, with Julie Bindel | Episode 185
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Sasha & Stella invite renowned feminist and author Julie Bindel to reflect on her decades-long advocacy for women and girls, in-particular her recent work investigating gender ideology. Julie shares her motivation behind her new podcast series, Julie in Genderland, which amplifies the voices of parents grappling with their children being caught in the gender identity craze. In this episode, Jul...
Chanting, Humming, and Silencing-The Attack on Free Speech in NYC Schools with Maud Maron | Ep 184
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Stella & Sasha welcome former public defender and education advocate, Maud Maron to the show for a fascinating conversation examining the intersection of education and politics. Maud reflects on the troubling shifts within schools, where merit and academic standards are being overshadowed by ideological pressures. In this episode, Maud discusses the evolving landscape of education, where tradit...
Running from Rockets and Walking Toward Womanhood, with Maia Poet | Episode 183
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Running from Rockets and Walking Toward Womanhood, with Maia Poet | Episode 183
What Exactly is a "Transcendent Sense of Gender"? with Alex Byrne
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What Exactly is a "Transcendent Sense of Gender"? with Alex Byrne
From Activist to Apostate-A Twisty-Turny "Gender Journey," with Tali | Episode 181
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From Activist to Apostate-A Twisty-Turny "Gender Journey," with Tali | Episode 181
The Many Roots and Presentations of Gender Dysphoria in Males | Episode 180
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The Many Roots and Presentations of Gender Dysphoria in Males | Episode 180
Healing From Sissy Porn and Gender Dysphoria with Shane Cole | Ep 179
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Healing From Sissy Porn and Gender Dysphoria with Shane Cole | Ep 179
How Brands Influence Culture (For Better or Worse) with Jennifer Sey | Episode 178
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How Brands Influence Culture (For Better or Worse) with Jennifer Sey | Episode 178
When Gender Ideology Came to Denmark with Jesper Rasmussen | Ep 177
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When Gender Ideology Came to Denmark with Jesper Rasmussen | Ep 177
Funding Lawsuits for Detransitioners with Lynn Chadwick | Episode 176
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Funding Lawsuits for Detransitioners with Lynn Chadwick | Episode 176
How Gender Medicine Impacts Female Bodies, with Elaine Miller | Episode 175
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How Gender Medicine Impacts Female Bodies, with Elaine Miller | Episode 175
How Porn Can Influence the Desire to Transition, with Forrest | Episode 174
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How Porn Can Influence the Desire to Transition, with Forrest | Episode 174
Why Are Trans Activists Rewriting History? with N3VLYNNN | Episode 173
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Why Are Trans Activists Rewriting History? with N3VLYNNN | Episode 173
Arielle Isaac Norman Knows More Than Dave Chappelle | Episode 172
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Arielle Isaac Norman Knows More Than Dave Chappelle | Episode 172
Breaking News: The Latest WPATH Scandal, with Lisa Selin Davis | Ep 171
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Breaking News: The Latest WPATH Scandal, with Lisa Selin Davis | Ep 171
The Tragic Consequences of Secret Social Transition w/Vernadette Broyles | Ep 170
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The Tragic Consequences of Secret Social Transition w/Vernadette Broyles | Ep 170
Growing Up with a Trans Parent with Emma Thomas, from Children of Transitioners | Episode 169
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Growing Up with a Trans Parent with Emma Thomas, from Children of Transitioners | Episode 169

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  • @MBarberfan4life
    @MBarberfan4life 55 хвилин тому

    The parents and the children need to set boundaries. Estrangement being used as a first option is just not right. And I am not talking about a SMALL minority of cases where the children do need to get away.

  • @Ashakat42
    @Ashakat42 4 години тому

    I post this stuff on my feeds, but I often feel like a Casandra shouting truth into the void.

  • @tituslowman5957
    @tituslowman5957 5 годин тому

    I find it interesting. I have always been utterly terrified at any of these ideas. From a young age even touching women's undergarments was horrifying, though bras are ok. Even don't want to write..."women's underwear". 🙀I remember when I lived in Spain we hung laundry on a line. Dryers were not so much used. I helped with house work and would do it, but she would come back and find all of her undergarments still in the basket because I did not want to touch it. All other aspects of sexuality were normal though.

  • @Bibirallie
    @Bibirallie 14 годин тому

    I disagree with Stella on her term of gender. Glenna is right. What Stella is describing is gender stereotypes not gender. You can still say there are male traits when discussing sex.

  • @tituslowman5957
    @tituslowman5957 17 годин тому

    Un-com-forta-ble…🙀45:20

  • @tituslowman5957
    @tituslowman5957 20 годин тому

    Aren’t people completely new after 7 years because of replacement of cells?? 😺

    • @elizabete6327
      @elizabete6327 11 годин тому

      Not all cells get replacement

    • @tituslowman5957
      @tituslowman5957 6 годин тому

      @ I know, I tried to make a joke. Thats why I put the smiling cat.

    • @elizabete6327
      @elizabete6327 6 годин тому

      @@tituslowman5957 oh, 🫢🤭

  • @rettahbful
    @rettahbful 21 годину тому

    What a lovely woman. Happy Birthday.

  • @rettahbful
    @rettahbful 22 години тому

    Heartbreaking.

  • @robert3096
    @robert3096 23 години тому

    I knew the Tompson family through the daughters in high school. Great family/people. Marian has not lost a step. She is a national treasure. Great interview. So sad for the La Leche League and woman in general. However, Marian in her intelligence suggests the good result, if there is a good result may be that it forces people to reflect on their values and science. Sasha, Stella, Helen and Marian, keep up your great work. Yet another conflict created by the cult of Transgenderism.

  • @berniefynn6623
    @berniefynn6623 День тому

    WE MUST DEMAND MANDATORY REHABILITATION,THESE PEOPLE ARE NUTTERS, OVER BEARING AND USE INTIMIDATING AND DOMINATING LABELS TO MAKE PEOPLE CONFORM, J.K.Rowling has death threats and where are the police? arresting some lone christian,thick and useless.

  • @user-jp4sc7iy6p
    @user-jp4sc7iy6p День тому

    I breastfed my 3 children in the 90’s and early 2000’s and studied really hard to become a leader. I led meetings, did phone and house calls and improved the lives of women and their children. It is beyond insulting what is going on…when will we women have the pride and self confidence to say, yes, we are the experts on this and we deserve a space of our own to do this and help fellow women?!?

  • @Vibez-o5k
    @Vibez-o5k День тому

    So sad this podcast is ending! It’s the best podcast I’ve seen.

  • @exjwborn-in2134
    @exjwborn-in2134 День тому

    ❤❤❤ awesome Women!

  • @Vibez-o5k
    @Vibez-o5k День тому

    Unbelievable that even La Leche League was taken over by trans activists. I think it is likely that LLL employees who did that are the product of trans activism in their grad school programs.

  • @charlottemartin5705
    @charlottemartin5705 День тому

    I think Philly is explaining the male sexuality to women who don't have the same sexual experience. Autogynephilia seems like an exclusively male sexuality.

  • @orlandobrook
    @orlandobrook День тому

    💕 Maia! great conversation! so, maybe tangential maybe not, but Maia seems like every kid who was in gifted class with me (including myself). she even has a similar “literalness” that i have (to this day). We were/are all what ppl these days call neurodivergent. I think at one point we’d have all been labeled “high functioning autistic” or “aspergers” (which has fallen out of favor). And this reminds me of either a post or comment I saw on PITT Substack. It was the mother of a gifted boy who’d transitioned WITH HIS ENTIRE GIFTED CLASS and I think this is something that needs study, discussion, and recognition b/c parents of these kids are heartbroken and bewildered-and the kids will be dealing with the fallout for the rest of their lives. Just throwing all that into the mix: gifted/spectrumy/high-functioning kids are seriously in danger of this.

  • @berniefynn6623
    @berniefynn6623 День тому

    Skin on skin at birth creates the bonding, so breast feeding is as much a part of the babys life.

  • @58Galtha
    @58Galtha 2 дні тому

    I just discovered this channel. I will have all the past podcasts to watch. Looking forward to what these 2 ladies do in the future.

  • @taryncornelius548
    @taryncornelius548 2 дні тому

    66 yr old retired RN, IBCLC - I gave up my certification a few years ago - so many of the conferences were “inclusion” orientation I couldn’t deal with it anymore ! Only biological women can breastfeed and I have always said that this chestfeeding epidemic was anti woman !

  • @petestegler9885
    @petestegler9885 2 дні тому

    I'm number 301 on the likes? How is that possible? Anyway, I'm a ruminating dad who has been estranged or alienated for 4 years. The numbers of facets affecting this situation are overwhelming to me. I'm a pretty smart and progressive dad, but I'm also over 60, which makes me "one of those" to my 19 year old daughter. Her LGBTQ friends and influence, changing her name, her ADHD, conflicting with my 40 years of sobriety. My divorce, when my kid was one, with her now newer therapist mom, who fully supports her going no contact. The hill seems almost unclimbable. The one thing I have is that my daughter and I were so close until she was about 12 or 13. I'm going to do the things recommended, but the need to be authentic is huge for me. I'm also a recovering New Yorker. Yikes, right? Anyway, this was a really nice discussion. I'm glad to have seen this, and feel a little more understood. Wish me luck...Pete

  • @NeilDunford-u9d
    @NeilDunford-u9d 2 дні тому

    Regarding the 7 years element. I wonder... "The average lifespan of all cells in the human body is about 7 years, but this is because some cells are extremely durable, while other cells are renewed every few days to few weeks"

  • @lilmmissmuffet
    @lilmmissmuffet 2 дні тому

    He makes a lot of sense but should talk to trans widows. In the early groups we soon realised that as they age, fetishistic crossdressers eventually start desiring a sex change.

  • @marywiggins7411
    @marywiggins7411 2 дні тому

    Marian, I applaud your efforts to keep the integrity of LLLI. I feel such gratitude for the pioneering effort of the 7 founders. I nursed all four of my children, I became a leader while #2 was an infant. My 3 daughters nursed their babies. I couldn't convince my daughter-in-law to nurse, what a shame. I hope to pass my wisdom to my grandchildren to breastfeed their children. This nonsense has to stop. Women give birth, women breastfeed, that's it.

  • @user-rx2if3oi8n
    @user-rx2if3oi8n 2 дні тому

    A shrink with these rings is a trans !

  • @user-rx2if3oi8n
    @user-rx2if3oi8n 2 дні тому

    Does not reply about the gay trans of Blanchard.

  • @beezfelesina7542
    @beezfelesina7542 2 дні тому

    I was a LLL leader for 21 years. It was such an honor to help moms and babies in that way. I teared up through this whole interview- to see her speak again now! Marion Thompson was and is such an inspiration to me. I’m sad at how the organization has lost its footing.

  • @jac9366
    @jac9366 2 дні тому

    That's really insane... who ever heard of a breast feeding family? It's nonsense.... 😢

  • @vields2352
    @vields2352 2 дні тому

    Sounds like the baby formula makers did a good job of convincing idiot doctors their product was better than what women have been produced since before we were even human ffs. Listening to this is insane. I remember when I had my first daughter there was a real movement starting to promote breastfeeding in the hospitals and mothers groups but even in 2007 it hadn’t caught on in the community. Many older ladies including my partners mum thought I was crazy. Get this his mum said, with a sour look on her face “ I couldn’t imaging having a baby latched onto my boobs”. Not surprisingly we are not close.

  • @user-rx2if3oi8n
    @user-rx2if3oi8n 2 дні тому

    A woman is someone who works mentaly from the outside to the inside ! A man is the opposite. Theory of my shrink number 2.

  • @nightlegals-gm2cl
    @nightlegals-gm2cl 2 дні тому

    best humour part - "when fish fingers are touching the beans" when describing an autistic meltdown...very funny

  • @fletcher6565
    @fletcher6565 2 дні тому

    Here in the USA in the 40"s, 50"s and 60"s the formula was sold at the doctors' offices, so they had an incentive to sell the formula and stop women from breastfeeding. Follow the money.

  • @fatoumata7624
    @fatoumata7624 2 дні тому

    Very modest... He knows better than anyone ! My shrink number 1 saw more trans than him and he was me for more than 10 years !

  • @fatoumata7624
    @fatoumata7624 2 дні тому

    Trans think they are the other sex or think they should be ?

  • @fatoumata7624
    @fatoumata7624 2 дні тому

    I have AG, do not care about women's space (or any space, I prefer being on my bed 22h per day), and used to be a transvestite when I was younger (still with AG as I always imagined myself as a woman in fantasies)

  • @Colletepaula
    @Colletepaula 2 дні тому

    Look at the sma documentary, the begining of the industry of powdered milk , you will be surprised

  • @OccupationalThpy
    @OccupationalThpy 2 дні тому

    I went to one meeting of La Leche League 7 years ago and it was a dud. Even then the organization seemed already quite captured/dogmatic in the non-nuanced and pressured way of presenting information. The leader, who is a lactation consultant, was wonderful, but ultimately I didn't trust the other sleep-deprived neurotic Berkeley crunchy new moms to have good advice. Especially when there was a lot of flippant judgement passed on other mothers.

  • @lechenaultia5863
    @lechenaultia5863 2 дні тому

    When I hear about doctors cutting off young women's perfectly healthy breasts, I want to cry. When I hear about narcissistic men taking drugs to pretend to feed a baby for their own ego, I feel sick.

  • @roblewisjr2
    @roblewisjr2 2 дні тому

    We have already lost because you are using their made-up language and treating them as a new variant of humans. Jordan Peterson recently said "Once you start letting your enemy dictate the language you use, they've got you" and you have already lost.

  • @roblewisjr2
    @roblewisjr2 2 дні тому

    There are women and there are men. There is NO OTHER classification of humans.

  • @Toastie19
    @Toastie19 2 дні тому

    This is the natural consequence of the extreme idea that males can completely transition into females in every sense.

    • @Toastie19
      @Toastie19 2 дні тому

      59:47 This. She said the board said that they didn’t support “male” lactation but that’s because they truly believe these trans women are fully female now.

  • @MandyClare
    @MandyClare 2 дні тому

    This is great. There is a need for both areas of focus and no two better women to do it. Thank you so much for your insights and dedication so far.

  • @atticstattic
    @atticstattic 2 дні тому

    So pleased that Helen pronounced 'Chicago' like someone from Chicago!

  • @boniistarr6892
    @boniistarr6892 3 дні тому

    i cannot decide who i hate more, the men doing this or the women who allow/support it. how is this real life?

  • @robertmarshall2502
    @robertmarshall2502 3 дні тому

    Marian looks healthier than all the trans identifying ppl put together

  • @charliemayamarcotte
    @charliemayamarcotte 3 дні тому

    Why does she call a child they???? That annoys the Haeck out of me!

  • @LH-kr4od
    @LH-kr4od 3 дні тому

    I had my three kids between 2006 and 2013 so I was incredibly lucky I didn't have to spend pregnancy or maternity pandering to men larping as women. La Leche league helped me a lot with my first baby. Every mother deserves the same if they need it. A very straightforward process for which straightforward and simple language is required.

  • @MyolaPautlerelishamullen
    @MyolaPautlerelishamullen 3 дні тому

    When Marian rambles at the end, oh my heart, I love elderly women. So much wisdom and history, no matter what random order it comes out in.

  • @robertmarshall2502
    @robertmarshall2502 3 дні тому

    I really wish you'd do a proper take down of the creep Phil Illy. I can't take if the penny still hasn't dropped for you guys or you've been holding back for fear of being "mean" to an incredibly dodgy antisocial perv

  • @blureader1164
    @blureader1164 3 дні тому

    Where things went wrong was, some milk banks started selling excess milk to men, for "body building" purposes. I saw a documentary on this and some men are clearly doing it as a fetish, calling it "mother's milk" and other creepy names. Do males even make breast milk as nutritious as female breast milk? Nobody answers this question. I am from the bottle fed generation. Women my age broke through the feminist propaganda and most of my friends breastfed their children. Now my job provides a room to pump and a refrigerator in the women's bathroom. Does this mean those male are going to demand access to pumping rooms?

  • @spatsfellini
    @spatsfellini 3 дні тому

    HJ rightly said that 'gender' should be rejected as a nonsensical term. We need to ask for definition.