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Bat Creek Stone Proves Ancient Hebrews in America? w/ Scott Wolter & Nehemia Gordon
Steven Pynakker and Dr. Nehemia Gordon host of @Nehemiaswall on UA-cam collaborate on an interview with Geologist Scott Wolter host of the @HISTORY Channel program America Unearthed about the Bat Creek Stone. We discuss his findings from testing the Stone and why he thinks it is an ancient Hebrew relic found in Tennessee!
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An Oral History of the Ex-Mormon Reddit w/ Jason Echols AKA Chino Blanco
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On a special episode of Mormon Book Reviews Steven Pynakker has a conversation with Jason Echols (AKA Chino Blanco) about the story of the origins of the Ex-Mormon Sub-Reddit. We also preview a panel discussion that will discuss this at this year's Sunstone Symposium! #exmormon #mormonhistory #mormonbookreviews #churchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints #stevenpynakker #reddit #redditstories #sunsto...
Unique Book of Mormon Believing Church A History! w/ Josh Gehly
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Steven Pynakker and Co-host Robert Messick of @bookofmormoneditions interview Josh Gehly Evangelist for The Church of Jesus Christ about the history of the different editions that the Church has used and produced throughout the years. #bookofmormon #thebookofmormon #churchofjesuschrist #mormonhistory #mormonbookreviews #evangelical #mormonbookreviews #stevenpynakker Link for The Church of Jesus...
New Interfaith Project That Will Impact Utah!
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Steven Pynakker and Monica Bambrough preview their new channel the @UtahInterfaith Forum! #utah #churchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints #evangelical #interfaith #mormon #latterdaysaints #mormonbookreviews #stevenpynakker Link to Monica's Interfaith Instagram Page: isnt_it.great?igsh=MTBpdjV4djlnczBieg Links to support Mormon Book Reviews: Venmo Link: account.venmo.com/u/mbrven PayPa...
Book of Mormon Students Will Love This! w/ KC Kern
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Steven Pynakker and Robert Messick of @bookofmormoneditions UA-cam channel interview KC Kern about the Book of Mormon online project! #bookofmormon #thebookofmormon #mormonhistory #mormonbookreviews #stevenpynakker #evangelical Book of Mormon Online: bookofmormon.online/home Book of Mormon Census Project: bookofmormoncensus.com/ Links to support Mormon Book Reviews: Venmo Link: account.venmo.co...
Evangelical Chats With LDS Member & Ex-Mormon! w/Jim Bennett & Ian Wilkes
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Steven Pynakker is interviewed by Jim Bennett and Ian Wilks on their podcast Inside Out! #bookofmormon #churchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints #mormonhistory #mormonbookreviews #stevenpynakker #mormonism Links to support Mormon Book Reviews: Venmo Link: account.venmo.com/u/mbrven PayPal Link: www.paypal.com/paypalme/mormonbookreviews?country.x=US&locale.x=en_US Patreon Link: www.patreon.com/mormo...
Mormon History & Theology Explored! w/ David Snell
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David Snell of @SaintsUnscripted returns to Mormon Book Reviews to discuss with Steven Pynakker his new channel @keystonelds ! #mormonhistory #bookofmormon #churchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints #mormonbookreviews #davidsnell #saintsunscripted #evangelical #stevenpynakker Links to check out Keystone LDS: UA-cam: www.youtube.com/@keystonelds Facebook: keystonelds/ Instagram: instagra...
New Latter Day Scripture! w/ Evan Sharley
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Evan Sharley rejoins MBR to give an update regarding her relationship with Community of Christ, particularly why she left it. She talks about where her spiritual journey is taking her, and how she has brought forth a new book of scripture that is told from the perspective of Queer people. #bookofmormon #mormonhistory #communityofchrist #mormonbookreviews #stevenpynakker Links: The Book of the L...
Evangelical & Latter Day Summit w/ Jeff McCullough
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Evangelical & Latter Day Summit w/ Jeff McCullough
Chad Daybell's Neighbor Speaks Out!
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Chad Daybell's Neighbor Speaks Out!
Protestant Becomes Latter Day Saint! w/ David Boice
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Protestant Becomes Latter Day Saint! w/ David Boice
Psychedelics & Early Mormonism Theory Brian Hales Responds
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Psychedelics & Early Mormonism Theory Brian Hales Responds
Evangelicals & The Book of Mormon! w/ Steven Pynakker
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Evangelicals & The Book of Mormon! w/ Steven Pynakker
Steven Pynakker & Pastor Talk Joseph Smith Mormonism & More!
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Steven Pynakker & Pastor Talk Joseph Smith Mormonism & More!
Ancient Gold Plates From Saudi Arabia? w/ Dan McClellan
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Ancient Gold Plates From Saudi Arabia? w/ Dan McClellan
Protestants Speaking at Book of Mormon Rally?
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Protestants Speaking at Book of Mormon Rally?
Howard Hughes Bob Bennett Glen Beck & Latter Day Saints! w/ Jim Bennett
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Howard Hughes Bob Bennett Glen Beck & Latter Day Saints! w/ Jim Bennett
Did Early LDS Church Use Drugs? New Documentary
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Did Early LDS Church Use Drugs? New Documentary
LDS Church Buys Important Book of Mormon Relic! w/ Robert Messick
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LDS Church Buys Important Book of Mormon Relic! w/ Robert Messick
Latter Day Bible Horror Film? w/ Derek Hutchins
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Latter Day Bible Horror Film? w/ Derek Hutchins
The Interview That YouTube Doesn't Want You To Watch? w/ Claire Dalton
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The Interview That UA-cam Doesn't Want You To Watch? w/ Claire Dalton
Experience Kirtland History at The Mormon History Association! w/ David Howlet
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Experience Kirtland History at The Mormon History Association! w/ David Howlet
Polygamy Joseph Smith & Michelle Brady Stone w/ Brian Hales
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Polygamy Joseph Smith & Michelle Brady Stone w/ Brian Hales
Adamic Language on Golden Plates? w/ Matthew Gill
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Adamic Language on Golden Plates? w/ Matthew Gill
Breaking! The Kirtland Temple has been Sold! w/ John Hajicek
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Breaking! The Kirtland Temple has been Sold! w/ John Hajicek
Book of Mormon & The Michigan Tablets w/ Alex Koritz
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Book of Mormon & The Michigan Tablets w/ Alex Koritz
My Pastor Talks Faith & Mormonism w/ Dan Minor
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My Pastor Talks Faith & Mormonism w/ Dan Minor
Jacob Hansen is Going to Fight a Critic! w/ Jacob IsBell
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Jacob Hansen is Going to Fight a Critic! w/ Jacob IsBell
Salt Lake City's Congressman Talks His Faith! w/ Burgess Owens
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Salt Lake City's Congressman Talks His Faith! w/ Burgess Owens
LDS Church Meeting In LGBTQ Church w/ Will Critzman
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LDS Church Meeting In LGBTQ Church w/ Will Critzman

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  • @tdw1826
    @tdw1826 3 години тому

    Jenn is a damn nut job!!!! She is a sociopath and a psycho

  • @belisariobenites1091
    @belisariobenites1091 4 години тому

    Scott, your information was fascinating. The guy interrupting was unbearable.

  • @QBurd
    @QBurd 7 годин тому

    "Screw the Smithsonian!". My sentiment exactly Mr. Wolter.

  • @edjones7990
    @edjones7990 9 годин тому

    What a nit

  • @edjones7990
    @edjones7990 9 годин тому

    Bounce around, let Wolters continue.

  • @QBurd
    @QBurd 9 годин тому

    Great stuff!

  • @edjones7990
    @edjones7990 9 годин тому

    Let Wolters talk

  • @rkn2800
    @rkn2800 10 годин тому

    It’s confirmation bias. They began really, really wanting the BOM to be true and they threw together claims that feed into their confirmation bias. Church leaders themselves refuse to tell us what the BOM geography was because they fear being proven wrong. Joseph Smith and others together came up with the BOM narrative based on romantic ideas of the 19th century.

  • @ryanr5139
    @ryanr5139 11 годин тому

    Steve- this jew was annoying he wouldn’t let Mr Wolter just present his findings before trying to critique the guy in a way- “I’m not saying this but…” is a very semitic tactic

  • @jamesmiller2521
    @jamesmiller2521 11 годин тому

    Sure, why would he make it up? Dum dum dum dum dum

  • @heatherthomason7309
    @heatherthomason7309 12 годин тому

    Frustrating to listen to with all the interruptions. Please just let Scott speak. Too many side bars.

    • @brettpinion4233
      @brettpinion4233 35 хвилин тому

      LDS PLEASE DON'T REJECT GOD OF BIBLE & FOLLOW THE FALSE EVOLVING GODS OF Joseph Smith? ISN'T YOUR ETERNITY WORTH EXAMINING THE TRUTH? "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If Mormonism is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of J.S. and LDS members. Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God." and goes on "Is there any God besides me?... I know not one". God is saying there is NOT an infinite amount of Gods, and there is none other like Him. LDS teaches that there is. Either the Bible or LDS is false. LDS paid scholar Dan McClellan in 2024: " The data pretty firmly points in the OPPOSITE direction of a historical BOM" youtube short video "Is the BOM historical?" There is NO archaeological, anthropological, topological, linguistic, botanical or dna evidence to support the Book of Mormon. LDS anthropologist Dee Green: “The first myth we need to eliminate is that BOM archaeology exists” conceding 20 years of research “left us empty-handed” (Green 1969 p. 77) NO trace of Jewish DNA found in any Indian burial ground anywhere in the Americas from time period of BOM. Thomas W. Murphy, (Mormon scholar, DNA researcher): “the genetic evidence shows that American Indians are NOT jewish. The Book of Mormon is not true.” John Whitmer Historical Association Journal 2005 NO truth: Book of Abraham published with 3 drawings from an old Egyptian papyrus. The book is a funerary papyrus showing scenes from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. In drawings Nos. 1 & 3, Smith misidentifies everything depicted. "LDS and non-LDS Egyptologists agree that the characters on the fragments do not match the translation given in the book of Abraham" Quote from LDS OFFICIAL WEB PAGE NO trace of “2 million Jaredites slain” (Ether 15:2), with iron, brass, breast-plates, shields, and armor. It is impossible for these millions of dead warriors in metal armor to leave no trace. NO trace of the "great city Zarahemla"- it is impossible for a city the size of Zarahemla described in BOM (4 Nephi 8; D&C 125:3) to leave no trace. NO temple like Solomon's described in 2 Nephi 5:16 has ever been found yet biblical temple is easily seen in Jerusalem. This "temple" could not just disappear. NO Nephite "reformed Egyptian" writings described by J.S. (Mormon 9:32) ever found anywhere as it is not a real language. NO cities mentioned in the BOM have ever been located (none of 38) ANYWHERE. It would be impossible for them to disappear unless they never existed. NO evidence: "The whole land was covered with buildings, and the people were as numerous, as it were the sand of the sea." Yet NOT ONE ever located. (Mormon 1:7) IMPOSSIBLE for highly advanced civilizations (Jaredites, Nephites) & MILLIONS of people to have vanished. The BOM speaks of sheep, swine, silk, wool clothing & elephants existing in the Americas when they DID NOT. Ether 9:17-19 & 10:23-24 These were brought to America centuries later by Europeans. NO wheat, no goats, no metal smelting furnaces, no metal armor, no steel swords, no cattle, no chariot parts, no brass (Alma 18: 9-12; Mosiah 8:10 & 9:9; 1 Ne 18:25) no evidence of the listed Kings in BOM, no Jewish relics or Jewish Temples from supposed Jews, no metal plates like Nephites supposedly used, no middle eastern seeds growing, "which were brought from the land of Jerusalem ... and grew exceedingly" 1 Nephi 18:24 CAN WE IGNORE THE LACK OF EVIDENCE FOR THE THE BOOK OF MORMON AND JUST TRUST OUR FEELINGS AS TO IT'S TRUTH EVEN THOUGH IT CONFLICTS WITH THE BIBLE AND THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE? NO! D&C Section 9:8-9 - tell us that if something is true it will make our "bosom burn" and we will FEEL that it is right. Maroni 10:4 says: "he will manifest the truth of it unto you" The BIBLE WARNS us against this SUBJECTIVE type of truth test. Why? Because we have a sinful nature that can be deceived. Proverbs 28:26 "He that trusts in his own (bosom) heart is a FOOL." The Scriptures, however, are infallible and can never be wrong (John 17:17; Psalm 119:128; 33:4; 19:8; Romans 3:4). This is why the Bible frequently urges us to study and meditate on God's word. 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV "STUDY ... rightly dividing the word of TRUTH." Acts 17:11 "EXAMINE THE SCRIPTURES to see if what said is TRUE". 1John 4:1 says: "BELIEVE NOT EVERY SPIRIT, ... because MANY FALSE PROPHETS (J.S.) have gone out into the world." LDS CLAIMS the bible was corrupted to justify Joseph Smith's changing of the biblical, eternal God into an evolving, created god, who is not all powerful and is one of an endless number of gods . This is a PROVABLY FALSE claim. The Claim: In the BOM, the prophet Nephi has a vision the Bible was CORRUPTED and "plain and precious parts" were removed after the 12 apostles and after the formation of the “great and ABOMINABLE church” (1 Nephi 13:26-29). Most Mormons believe this is the Catholic Church formed in the 4th century. Nephi claims this church was founded by the DEVIL (1 Nephi 14:3). So let’s objectively examine the Bible & BOM. BIBLE: The Dead Sea Scrolls have been dated to as early as 350 BC. One is the Great Isaiah Scroll, which is the oldest known copy of the Book of Isaiah dated to 180 BC. Do ANY ancient scrolls show Smith's "uncorrupted" version of scripture? NO! Yet they would if the scripture was later corrupted after the 12 apostles died as Smith and Nephi said. Also, if they had been corrupted, Jesus would have corrected scripture instead of affirming it! Jesus sd:“ I told you EVERYTHING written about me in the Law of Moses, the Books of the Prophets, and in the Psalms had to happen.” (Luke 24:44-46) Scripture is the same today as it was 2,100+ years ago with only minor spelling and punctuation differences. Joseph Smith was wrong. These scrolls pre-dated Catholics, and are Jewish scrolls and the BOM says the Jews had the Scriptures in their "purity". 1Nephi 13:25 LDS Apologist Wayne Ham admitted the Isaiah scroll does not support the the BOM. Apologist Dr. Sidney B. Sperry, of BYU, said the Dead Sea Scrolls do not help the case for the BOM. BYU Professor Joseph F. McConkie: "Rather than Joseph Smith as Found in Ancient Manuscripts, it ought be Joseph Smith as Lost in Ancient Manuscripts.” (Religious Studies Center, 1984) IS THE GOD OF THE BOOK OF MORMON THE SAME ONE AS IN THE BIBLE? NO! In the LDS Church’s 147th Conf., Gen Authority Bernard P. Brockbank said: the Christ followed by Mormons is NOT THE CHRIST followed by traditional Christianity. (Ensign, May 1977 p. 26) Like Joseph Smith, the goal of Satan was to be like God and have worshipers. "I will exalt my throne above the stars of God ... I will be like the Most High”’ (Isaiah 14:12-14) The new testament has not been corrupted either. See the book of John. Smith changed it to make Jesus a created being. Research a 1900 year old papyri known as the Bodmer Papyri of the book of John. (written 150 AD, around the Apostle John's time) John 1:1 "In the BEGINNING was the WORD and the WORD was WITH God and the WORD WAS God." ΕΝ ΑΡΧΗ ΗΝ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ ΚΑΙ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ ΗΝ ΠΡΟΣ ΤΟΝ ΘΕΟΝ ΚΑΙ ΘΕΟΣ ΗΝ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ (look up this ancient Greek yourself on google) John 1:1 Joseph Smith mistranslation: "In the beginning was the GOSPEL preached through the Son. And the GOSPEL was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God." Smith's Jesus is no longer God in the flesh but the biblical Jesus is: "God was manifest in the flesh" 1Tim. 3:16 KJV. In order to try to make things work for LDS, J.S. added extra verses and verbiage into John 1 that were never there in any ancient texts to try to separate the idea of a trinity into 3 Gods. There are 4,000 Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. Some go back to 350 AD and NONE support Joseph Smith's claims that the bible of today has been corrupted. Papyrus fragments exist of the New Testament dated to 175 AD and show that the new testament has NOT been "corrupted". (New Testament Docs: Are They Reliable? Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1967 pp. 15-17) The manuscript and archeological evidence for the BIBLE is the GREATEST in antiquity. I pray you know the true Jesus and not Joseph Smith's exalted man from another planet who is not eternal, not all powerful, not perfect but evolving, and was polygamous. God is much greater than the humanoid of Mormonism and NOT just ONE OF AN ENDLESS NUMBER OF EVOLVING GODS. Jesus said ALL scripture will NOT fade away but "many wolves in sheep's clothing" will come trying to add to the word. Mathew 7:15 Joseph Smith changed Jesus, the Father and taught you can become a GOD. It hurts my heart to see Mormons fall for the lie that we can become God when there is only one eternal God found in the bible. "The only men who become Gods, even the sons of Gods are those that enter into polygamy." (Brigham Young) Journal of Discourses 11 p.269 Apostle Orson Pratt, in The Seer, page 172, “the great Messiah who was the founder of the Christian religion was a Polygamist…The son followed the example of his Father" God gave us critical thinking & logical reasoning for a reason, he tells us to EXAMINE and TEST what we are being taught for TRUTH. The bible withstands the truth test. Joseph Smith's version fails the truth test. It's your eternity, study it for yourself. God bless.

  • @josephine79
    @josephine79 15 годин тому

    Steve I love your shirt! And I love this topic.

  • @MatthewWeldon
    @MatthewWeldon 17 годин тому

    Gordon has a Real Talent for Derailing a Conversation!!!

    • @QBurd
      @QBurd 7 годин тому

      Steve is awesome and is genuine and always listens. This Gordon guy seems nice but holy smokes.. He likes the sound of his own voice a little too much.

  • @davidjanbaz7728
    @davidjanbaz7728 22 години тому

    Ya,NO, it's not ancient, maybe from the 19th century.

  • @Lamanitehistory
    @Lamanitehistory 23 години тому

    Scott Wolter did a nice job here on the bat creek stone. It is authentic. Another thing to know here is that Emmert had no motivation to make a forgery, it would have cost him his job, and Emmert never sought any publicity or money for the find. The idea that he forged it is baseless slander from people who just don't like what the bat creek stone means.

  • @hardwork8395
    @hardwork8395 День тому

    This was an excellent discussion and presentation. My quibble is with Scott. I came in slightly more skeptical, but open to see his evidence. I am intrigued by the Paleo Hebrew and it’s a data point to be answered. After hearing him present, but time after time given a little push back, and he gets super defensive and extremely dismissive. He displayed little willingness to consider objections. And surprisingly, he appealed to ending speculation on alternative hypotheses because he claimed we could endlessly go on and on like that! It’s crazy to hear someone who claims to by so scientifically principled, yet dismiss several times these alternatives without having eliminated them. It’s the systematic elimination of alternatives that allows us some measure of confidence in the hypothesis that continually withstands scrutiny-not the hand waiving and prejudgments of them. Weirdly still, he was dismissive of other control objects beyond the one in question. My family really likes this guy and his show. I watched part of one and thought he was cool. I was disappointed today at his attitude. It sounds like he’s right about the Smithsonian’s people not being cool with him, and that’s a sad commentary on them, if his side of the story is true. It’s unfortunate that there’s bad blood between them and this gentleman. Nehemia was a good, friendly counter balance in the right areas. Thank you all for this presentation today. I hope the Smithsonian is kinder to you, as well. You’ve done some good work here and I hope you continue to perform testing to provide additional evidence to test certain claims and objections.

  • @jfschmidt84
    @jfschmidt84 День тому

    Great conversation! I’m a Confessional Lutheran and in some respects the Book of Concord almost functions as a kind of “scripture” amongst Lutherans.

  • @paulblack1799
    @paulblack1799 День тому

    Good news. No attack here. I love the work done by all 3 of you. 😊

    • @brettpinion4233
      @brettpinion4233 34 хвилини тому

      LDS PLEASE DON'T REJECT GOD OF BIBLE & FOLLOW THE FALSE EVOLVING GODS OF Joseph Smith? ISN'T YOUR ETERNITY WORTH EXAMINING THE TRUTH? "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If Mormonism is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of J.S. and LDS members. Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God." and goes on "Is there any God besides me?... I know not one". God is saying there is NOT an infinite amount of Gods, and there is none other like Him. LDS teaches that there is. Either the Bible or LDS is false. LDS paid scholar Dan McClellan in 2024: " The data pretty firmly points in the OPPOSITE direction of a historical BOM" youtube short video "Is the BOM historical?" There is NO archaeological, anthropological, topological, linguistic, botanical or dna evidence to support the Book of Mormon. LDS anthropologist Dee Green: “The first myth we need to eliminate is that BOM archaeology exists” conceding 20 years of research “left us empty-handed” (Green 1969 p. 77) NO trace of Jewish DNA found in any Indian burial ground anywhere in the Americas from time period of BOM. Thomas W. Murphy, (Mormon scholar, DNA researcher): “the genetic evidence shows that American Indians are NOT jewish. The Book of Mormon is not true.” John Whitmer Historical Association Journal 2005 NO truth: Book of Abraham published with 3 drawings from an old Egyptian papyrus. The book is a funerary papyrus showing scenes from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. In drawings Nos. 1 & 3, Smith misidentifies everything depicted. "LDS and non-LDS Egyptologists agree that the characters on the fragments do not match the translation given in the book of Abraham" Quote from LDS OFFICIAL WEB PAGE NO trace of “2 million Jaredites slain” (Ether 15:2), with iron, brass, breast-plates, shields, and armor. It is impossible for these millions of dead warriors in metal armor to leave no trace. NO trace of the "great city Zarahemla"- it is impossible for a city the size of Zarahemla described in BOM (4 Nephi 8; D&C 125:3) to leave no trace. NO temple like Solomon's described in 2 Nephi 5:16 has ever been found yet biblical temple is easily seen in Jerusalem. This "temple" could not just disappear. NO Nephite "reformed Egyptian" writings described by J.S. (Mormon 9:32) ever found anywhere as it is not a real language. NO cities mentioned in the BOM have ever been located (none of 38) ANYWHERE. It would be impossible for them to disappear unless they never existed. NO evidence: "The whole land was covered with buildings, and the people were as numerous, as it were the sand of the sea." Yet NOT ONE ever located. (Mormon 1:7) IMPOSSIBLE for highly advanced civilizations (Jaredites, Nephites) & MILLIONS of people to have vanished. The BOM speaks of sheep, swine, silk, wool clothing & elephants existing in the Americas when they DID NOT. Ether 9:17-19 & 10:23-24 These were brought to America centuries later by Europeans. NO wheat, no goats, no metal smelting furnaces, no metal armor, no steel swords, no cattle, no chariot parts, no brass (Alma 18: 9-12; Mosiah 8:10 & 9:9; 1 Ne 18:25) no evidence of the listed Kings in BOM, no Jewish relics or Jewish Temples from supposed Jews, no metal plates like Nephites supposedly used, no middle eastern seeds growing, "which were brought from the land of Jerusalem ... and grew exceedingly" 1 Nephi 18:24 CAN WE IGNORE THE LACK OF EVIDENCE FOR THE THE BOOK OF MORMON AND JUST TRUST OUR FEELINGS AS TO IT'S TRUTH EVEN THOUGH IT CONFLICTS WITH THE BIBLE AND THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE? NO! D&C Section 9:8-9 - tell us that if something is true it will make our "bosom burn" and we will FEEL that it is right. Maroni 10:4 says: "he will manifest the truth of it unto you" The BIBLE WARNS us against this SUBJECTIVE type of truth test. Why? Because we have a sinful nature that can be deceived. Proverbs 28:26 "He that trusts in his own (bosom) heart is a FOOL." The Scriptures, however, are infallible and can never be wrong (John 17:17; Psalm 119:128; 33:4; 19:8; Romans 3:4). This is why the Bible frequently urges us to study and meditate on God's word. 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV "STUDY ... rightly dividing the word of TRUTH." Acts 17:11 "EXAMINE THE SCRIPTURES to see if what said is TRUE". 1John 4:1 says: "BELIEVE NOT EVERY SPIRIT, ... because MANY FALSE PROPHETS (J.S.) have gone out into the world." LDS CLAIMS the bible was corrupted to justify Joseph Smith's changing of the biblical, eternal God into an evolving, created god, who is not all powerful and is one of an endless number of gods . This is a PROVABLY FALSE claim. The Claim: In the BOM, the prophet Nephi has a vision the Bible was CORRUPTED and "plain and precious parts" were removed after the 12 apostles and after the formation of the “great and ABOMINABLE church” (1 Nephi 13:26-29). Most Mormons believe this is the Catholic Church formed in the 4th century. Nephi claims this church was founded by the DEVIL (1 Nephi 14:3). So let’s objectively examine the Bible & BOM. BIBLE: The Dead Sea Scrolls have been dated to as early as 350 BC. One is the Great Isaiah Scroll, which is the oldest known copy of the Book of Isaiah dated to 180 BC. Do ANY ancient scrolls show Smith's "uncorrupted" version of scripture? NO! Yet they would if the scripture was later corrupted after the 12 apostles died as Smith and Nephi said. Also, if they had been corrupted, Jesus would have corrected scripture instead of affirming it! Jesus sd:“ I told you EVERYTHING written about me in the Law of Moses, the Books of the Prophets, and in the Psalms had to happen.” (Luke 24:44-46) Scripture is the same today as it was 2,100+ years ago with only minor spelling and punctuation differences. Joseph Smith was wrong. These scrolls pre-dated Catholics, and are Jewish scrolls and the BOM says the Jews had the Scriptures in their "purity". 1Nephi 13:25 LDS Apologist Wayne Ham admitted the Isaiah scroll does not support the the BOM. Apologist Dr. Sidney B. Sperry, of BYU, said the Dead Sea Scrolls do not help the case for the BOM. BYU Professor Joseph F. McConkie: "Rather than Joseph Smith as Found in Ancient Manuscripts, it ought be Joseph Smith as Lost in Ancient Manuscripts.” (Religious Studies Center, 1984) IS THE GOD OF THE BOOK OF MORMON THE SAME ONE AS IN THE BIBLE? NO! In the LDS Church’s 147th Conf., Gen Authority Bernard P. Brockbank said: the Christ followed by Mormons is NOT THE CHRIST followed by traditional Christianity. (Ensign, May 1977 p. 26) Like Joseph Smith, the goal of Satan was to be like God and have worshipers. "I will exalt my throne above the stars of God ... I will be like the Most High”’ (Isaiah 14:12-14) The new testament has not been corrupted either. See the book of John. Smith changed it to make Jesus a created being. Research a 1900 year old papyri known as the Bodmer Papyri of the book of John. (written 150 AD, around the Apostle John's time) John 1:1 "In the BEGINNING was the WORD and the WORD was WITH God and the WORD WAS God." ΕΝ ΑΡΧΗ ΗΝ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ ΚΑΙ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ ΗΝ ΠΡΟΣ ΤΟΝ ΘΕΟΝ ΚΑΙ ΘΕΟΣ ΗΝ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ (look up this ancient Greek yourself on google) John 1:1 Joseph Smith mistranslation: "In the beginning was the GOSPEL preached through the Son. And the GOSPEL was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God." Smith's Jesus is no longer God in the flesh but the biblical Jesus is: "God was manifest in the flesh" 1Tim. 3:16 KJV. In order to try to make things work for LDS, J.S. added extra verses and verbiage into John 1 that were never there in any ancient texts to try to separate the idea of a trinity into 3 Gods. There are 4,000 Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. Some go back to 350 AD and NONE support Joseph Smith's claims that the bible of today has been corrupted. Papyrus fragments exist of the New Testament dated to 175 AD and show that the new testament has NOT been "corrupted". (New Testament Docs: Are They Reliable? Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1967 pp. 15-17) The manuscript and archeological evidence for the BIBLE is the GREATEST in antiquity. I pray you know the true Jesus and not Joseph Smith's exalted man from another planet who is not eternal, not all powerful, not perfect but evolving, and was polygamous. God is much greater than the humanoid of Mormonism and NOT just ONE OF AN ENDLESS NUMBER OF EVOLVING GODS. Jesus said ALL scripture will NOT fade away but "many wolves in sheep's clothing" will come trying to add to the word. Mathew 7:15 Joseph Smith changed Jesus, the Father and taught you can become a GOD. It hurts my heart to see Mormons fall for the lie that we can become God when there is only one eternal God found in the bible. "The only men who become Gods, even the sons of Gods are those that enter into polygamy." (Brigham Young) Journal of Discourses 11 p.269 Apostle Orson Pratt, in The Seer, page 172, “the great Messiah who was the founder of the Christian religion was a Polygamist…The son followed the example of his Father" God gave us critical thinking & logical reasoning for a reason, he tells us to EXAMINE and TEST what we are being taught for TRUTH. The bible withstands the truth test. Joseph Smith's version fails the truth test. It's your eternity, study it for yourself. God bless.

  • @rutht2023
    @rutht2023 День тому

    So interesting. In person conversations are the best for understanding things.

  • @GravityFalloutPines
    @GravityFalloutPines День тому

    "If they cant attack the evidence, they attack the person" - so true

  • @GravityFalloutPines
    @GravityFalloutPines День тому

    Super interesting. Thanks for recording this!

  • @rodneyjamesmcguire
    @rodneyjamesmcguire День тому

    This stuff makes me sad.

    • @GravityFalloutPines
      @GravityFalloutPines День тому

      Archeology makes you sad? This is interesting stuff

    • @MormonBookReviews
      @MormonBookReviews День тому

      Dr. Nehemia Gordon is one of the top Hebrew scholars in the world, I think you watch it and tell us what you think.

    • @rutht2023
      @rutht2023 День тому

      @@rodneyjamesmcguire The Smithsonian's behavior makes you sad, or is it something else?

  • @petrisalonen4893
    @petrisalonen4893 День тому

    They are fabricating the proof, 3D printers etc, too easy. Don't ever underestimate the power of money 💰🤑

  • @pigetstuck
    @pigetstuck День тому

    which way do you lean?

    • @MormonBookReviews
      @MormonBookReviews День тому

      It's an object that has fascinated me for decades. I guess you could say I'm agnostic with a very open mind.

    • @MrDaveKC
      @MrDaveKC День тому

      Where's the other side?

  • @jessea2871
    @jessea2871 День тому

    Good episode, Steve! Thanks to Jason for participating, we have communicated a few times on reddit.

  • @stevenmilton1380
    @stevenmilton1380 День тому

    Listening to Jim turns my stomach. He does not even seem to be a member. Waiting for change means he doesn’t sustain the brethren. He sounds evangelical.

  • @Latter-dailyDigest
    @Latter-dailyDigest День тому

    Good job Steve

  • @Latter-dailyDigest
    @Latter-dailyDigest День тому

    Just missed interviewing him myself... I asked😮

  • @reneenolan3163
    @reneenolan3163 День тому

    I hope someday I will be able to leave before I die! But I don’t think that will happen before my TBM partner dies. He is 73 and I am 68 but health makes it a toss up who will go first. It is sad but reality. I hope I get to Sunstone, I am really going to try. I really appreciate both of you and your perspectives! Thank you!

  • @themountainjake
    @themountainjake День тому

    Honors colloquium. 6 credit hours. 1984-85. Four professors (2 English, 1 Psych, 1 Physics). It was great. They were trying to wake us up but the damned dogma was so strong.

  • @reneenolan3163
    @reneenolan3163 2 дні тому

    I’m fairly new to Reddit but I always read chino! I really appreciate your perspective. Please keep it up! Thanks

  • @bambie1830
    @bambie1830 2 дні тому

    I was in the subreddit pre 20k subscribers and it was a very different place. Cultural Marxism and social issues dominate that place now 😢

  • @bambie1830
    @bambie1830 2 дні тому

    🇨🇭🇨🇭🇨🇭🇨🇭

  • @BreakOutOfTheAlgorithm
    @BreakOutOfTheAlgorithm 2 дні тому

    I'm here because of Andreas Xirtus and still active LDS. However I'm beginning to realize the church was hijacked from Joseph Smith. I grew up in Provo and always knew there was something wrong with the church and all the hypocritical members. I've been learning a lot from 132 problems. 👍🏻 I pray that LDS church will repent so I can get up and bear my testimony that the church is true. 😉

  • @leroythomas1850
    @leroythomas1850 2 дні тому

    You are looking well keep fighting the good fight prayers and love ❤️

  • @morganfabrizio
    @morganfabrizio 2 дні тому

    The Krishna Temple is so beautiful! I drove by it every day for years. One day i did a photoshoot there, and that really surprised me when we went inside and even just walked the grounds. It’s not at all what I expected. But truly it’s beautiful!! I love that we have that in Utah!

  • @Dunning-Kruger-effect
    @Dunning-Kruger-effect 2 дні тому

    He is a man without the courage of his convictions.

  • @3thingsfishing427
    @3thingsfishing427 3 дні тому

    Aron usually starts strong, then devolves into repeating the one side of the political story he hears from wherever he gets his "news". Borderline unwatchable, which is sad, because he is absolutely spot on when it comes to evolution.

  • @sgee-vc1hz
    @sgee-vc1hz 4 дні тому

    Do they believe in the secret mormon handshakes and passwords required to get into heaven?

  • @DaGolfViking
    @DaGolfViking 4 дні тому

    That's awesome and I love hearing both sides!! Good stuff!

  • @t.thompson9977
    @t.thompson9977 5 днів тому

    Steve how can I buy one of the Bickertonites BoM?

  • @TheBackyardProfessor
    @TheBackyardProfessor 5 днів тому

    Nice interview Steve. Although Saints Unscripted says and supports things against all the evidence, like he says, they are trying. I just don't think they are convincing at all.

  • @ericredd5590
    @ericredd5590 5 днів тому

    BOM and evidence should never be used in the same sentence.