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There is nothing wrong with enjoying and preferring older eiditions if you like them more for balance, feel and so on. It means you have a brain and not just follow the latest nonsense. it is a sign of intelligence. Just chasing the latest along with the rest of the followers that are not LEADERS says alot. Especially when said edition if worse in most ways. Basically you are a beta, not an Alpha.

The Goblin on the Wolf on the arcane journal is Kiknik Toofsnatcha, leader of the nomadic WAAAGH

Sorry doc you will never find her again

I am new here came from total war you sir. Are deserving of many glorious victories.

Really enjoyed listening to an engaging and active conversation. I thought it was great you both recognise the challenges implicit to finding answers to these problems. It's so easy to over-correct some of these issues. I found myself agreeing the most with the core observation - how it is actually played doesn't match the way its depicted. It's not simple, but it feels like we should be able to get a bit closer.

I'm late to this one but great vid, Doc

The idea that Warhammer and other mainstream IPs (like Marvel, Star Wars, D&D, etc.) are misaligned with “old” fans because of their attempts at “broader social inclusion” is ill-conceived. Punk IS inclusive. It rejects traditional narratives of gender, race, and social class. It’s anti-establishment. It’s DIY. It’s indie. It’s egalitarian. The idea that inclusivity is bad is ridiculous (it can be done badly, to be sure. Blaxill and Bard covered this in their latest marathon convo). Warhammer, in the early days, was more inclusive in many regards than it is now. E.g. The women warriors were hardcore and fought without high heels, double-D breastplates, and posing suggestively. Punks, I highly recommend you check this piece from We Are Mutants on the exact topic (2019) and tell those anti-woke whiners to shove it. wearethemutants.com/2019/01/14/when-warhammer-was-radical-the-egalitarian-origins-of-the-fantasy-battle-game/

4:09:40 - as those of us who played Man 'O' War know, there was a 'pure' Norse faction back in the day. They had longships and everything! No official minis range or army book in Fantasy though. Presumably GW decided towards the end of the '90s to resolve the question of how those pseudo-Vikings existed in relation to the Chaos hordes by simply making them subservient. A shame, really - they could have kept at least a few of the bigger clans independent of the Powers. That said, possibly the decision was taken to avoid players buying (cheaper) armies of 28mm historical Vikings rather than official, GW Norse with their official 'I'm with Chaos!' pointy star symbols.

I really enjoyed listening to the Blacillhammer bit. A lot of that is kind of how I feel about ToW giving me the opportunity to get into the hobby in a way I wasn't able to as a kid. I wonder what terrible rites we have to preform to get GW to release a collectible artbook for Warhammer Fantasy like they did years ago.

Great video mate, really enjoyed listening to your impression of the game, and that even with its flaws like any edition of Warhammer you’re engaging in now of Warhammer. If you ever head to Australia for a holiday it would be great to catch up over a game and lunch. Keep up the great videos, some more tournament reports or game reports would be brilliant.

Great video good doctor and thank you for answering my question! If I can submit a question for next time, you've said before that you think TOW is one of the best editions for narrative play, why do you say that compared to even the older "HeroHammer" editions?

OMG you went after Frank Herbert!

Warhammer 40k is Dune + Lovecraft + Starship Troopers + Generic Anime + Aliens + Terminator. Honestly, Warhammer 40k is just as derivative and generic as Fantasy ever was. How could anyone not see that?!?

"Buuuut... I'd ask you to consider a few things, punk." - Dr. Blaxill (11:46)

As always quality comment. So my question - I know you had tried Warhammer Armies Project. What are your thoughts on that ? (And with some personal risk - thoughts on the sort of people who prefer that to other WFB incarnations?). Keep up the excellent and thought provoking fandom

TOW just feels like a beta test , it’s far less polished than any other edition of WHFB (as far as I remember) and it was probably designed using a far smaller team of any previous edition. Hopefully we’ll get a very polished edition next.

7:58 reminiscent of Stillmania but extended to cover a set piece battle

The best analogy I’ve heard for TOW is that whilst GW marketing were sitting around they realised the new teenagers coming in couldn’t afford the full list of required models, so they brought back an avenue for Dad to collect whilst still paying for all the new 40k releases his son needs. Completely agree that it hasn’t gone mainstream and I don’t think it will. Down in Australia we are having regular 30-40 player single day events that are slowly growing by 4-6 players each quarter. That’s healthy for a specialist game. The average age is 40, but critically the average income is high? That seems like the most important leading indicator? Anecdotally, I feel like everyone is running GW bought fresh new models with only a handful bringing older armies back or having their own resin printer (a whole other class of gamer as you say). Loved the discussion.

This conversation was amazing

Dr Blaxill I thoroughly enjoyed that entire session. Interesting questions and answers, with a great second half. Please do so again. I think many newer players will get a lot out of it. Both in the 'magic' of our interest and in the practical discussions on play. Punks! Not a dying breed! 🦝

No I made a 8ft.x 5ft. Table lol

I discovered Warhammer Fantasy 6th ed in a small Fantasy Shop in the mid 2000s in a small, provincial town in South Germany. The players still looked and smelled like losers, nerds, misfits, punks. In this time, I think GW was in a complicated spot. On the one hand: Lots of growth, great success. But on the other hand: The quickly approaching specter of the internet, the digitalization of toys, the death of small retail tradesmen. Processes that are much larger than any single company. So how to consolidate the current success considering such future prospects? I think the core solution GW arrived at was to shift their brand and product range continuously away from middle-class adolescents and more towards middle-class adults. Aim the product at an older, smaller, but more financially secure customer-base, rather than make a great effort to garner the next generation’s interest. The people who buy Warhammer now are, by and large, the same who bought it 20 years ago. Don’t create just a toy; create a luxury product, with lots of fluff and polish, and most importantly, tap into the nostalgia whenever possible. Old World does exactly that, and whatever “punk subculture” you want to see in it is just as much the calculation of a clever businessman to whom the memory of that subculture is just another selling point. When your customer base cares so much about nostalgia and continuity, “not selling out” can absolutely be the most profitable business strategy.

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The game is overrated. It's more useful for bringing back out of production models and introducing some new ones in my opinion.

NOWHAMMER

For next time, I would be interested to hear you lay out thoughts on other gaming systems. Kings of War is the obvious competitor, but also anything else such as Turnip28 or even actual historical games.

I could listen you for hours. Long live true warhammer

As someone who has truly tried to get into it: AoS has no real lore. It is a collection of fairy tales that are disjointed and ask for a suspension of disbelief more powerful than a blackhole. it's like the ancient greek stories "Zeus had a headache, so his daughter said "here put a knife in your head" and out walked a god". like, they have continents that literally eat each other and people are meant to live there? The sun is also.. where the elves live? And there's a moon... but there are 7 planets... or something? It's moronic.

@Dr Luke Blaxill : what Core Army you would like to see if the will ever make new ones and what Arcane Jurnal Army would you like to see? (For me it would be Dogs Of War and Bretonnia sea patrol or Bretonnia/undead from mousillon Thank you for your fantastic videos. Make me happy every time

Dr. Blaxill thank you for the video. You gave me a new angle of perspectiv!

"I am a man of Now" - says the historian. ^^

You are a national treasure, introduction was superb! I listened to the intro twice. Well thought out answers - entertaining, informative, and an AOS dig - the perfect recipe for any Warhammer video. For a future Q&A - What is your favorite Warhammer character, sculpt, and which model is (if any) still on your wishlist?

I think Chaos works as both a regional nation and the corruption of people from the realms of men. Theres a great story in Thunder and Steel about an Empire officer who is captured by a Chaos warhost, has to fight to survive and is marked by Tzreentch which begets his pilgrimage to the North and includes these great scenes that reveal just the slightest glimpses into the culture of the Chaos Wastes.

W take after W take

But Dr Blaxill, I like my hermetically sealed bubble...

A good listen as ever. Nice to see Andy 2D6 get a mention, his journey with the Dwarfs has been entertaining and instructive, always worth a watch. He's clearly a nice bloke and is very good at explaining what goes on in his games. To some extent just at the moment I feel his extreme experiments with the line are a bit of a distraction - the other Dwarf player who plays in the same tournaments runs a deathstar that starts in marching column but of course goes wide as the game progresses and he wins the things. Doesn't get discussed as 'linehammer' in the same way though it obviously is and he's very clear that it can't be successful if you can't go wide, think there's a tournament this weekend where you're limited to ten wide and he said he's taking something else. Tend to agree that there probably won't be major official changes to get infantry back into the game other than perhaps objectives or whatever. Still think it's interesting to discuss though as people are obviously house ruling some things and there are clearly tournaments prepared to do the same to some extent. After the last time we discussed this in comments I think I agree that the game is clearly more like 6th than 8th, but am still minded to think that the main problem (i.e. the game ending up looking all wrong) isn't really down to things from either. I guess it's more a matter of disagreement about what the solution(s) should be and as far as I can tell 6th Ed people look more at what they see as wrong with the lists while 8th Ed people look more at what's wrong with the rules (want to bring back Step Up etc). Oversimplified I know and I'm sure everyone would be able to find things to change about both, but I guess those are the ways those editions solved the 'problem' in their own ways. As far as Warhammer having entered 'the mainstream' is concerned I don't know if it truly has or ever will, but am prepared to believe it might have done. Not sure how much that has to do with GW's own actions though, would have thought a lot of it becoming more 'socially acceptable' for want of a better term is down to things like the success of the Lord of the Rings films (there would have been an effect even if GW hadn't got involved with a game), probably also Harry Potter, Superhero films taking over the film industry etc - general trends towards not being expected to 'grow out of' certain things in the way that was expected back in the 80s. Putting that to one side it's obviously been a much bigger and more commercially minded company than the one that existed when I bought WD91 for a very long time. And there were already people who were saddened by White Dwarf going increasingly and soon exclusively GW right back then.

Man listening to how you got into the hobby was awesome. Thanks for sharing! 😊

I got into Warhammer Fantasy in late 90s. Bought from a local hobby store. Always felt like a niche hobby I had joined. Definitely a sold out vibe today…especially 40l/Sigmar.

An enjoyable hour, I was especially delighted to know Flight of Dragons captured your imagination too, I rarely hear it mentioned, Lodoss.. another guilty pleasure I enjoy rewatching.

I didn't realise Miss Piggy was so into Warhammer

Better to have loved and lost then never to have loved at all... That's some Gor-shite right there!

I imagine him talking to literal pigs. That’s how I see the majority of fanbase and that’s how they behave in a public discourse.

WARHAMMER WARHAMMER WARHAMMER

Great vid again. Fantastic entertainment 👏 keep them coming 👌

I think there are several elephants reforming across the boardroom of The Old World, most of them of the non-linear variety but nevertheless exposed by their drawn out cousin. You touch upon one of these particular pachyderms on your point of how horribly infantry perform Unless presented with a truly linear strategy, and I have seen other less related beasts of the same ilk that seem to simply force warhammer players heads down into the proverbial sand of safety, lest they be lured into thinking too hard about the game we're playing. As a new Old World player, only having played for a couple of months, I sat down with the rulebook, the army books, the how to play videos and all that jazz, and absorbed it rather from a sort of outsiders perspective, not being able to compare it to my preconcieved notions of 8th edition or age of sigmar or the like. And let me tell you, it's a rather baffling read when trying to align what you're reading in the rules with how people are playing it. I read the rules on shooting, and I thought "okay, so units can only fire from the front rank, making everyone else wasted points? So... I'm not allowed to take only small units of maybe 5-10 shooters then? Oh I am? Then ... why aren't people doing that?" I read on. I see that there are no objectives or other incentives to move out from your starting position, other than if you want to get to fighting as fast as possible. But surely, if I get into fighting faster, the same is true for my opponent, and if we're both rushing to get into combat then that means that one of us is wrong, because one of us will have the stronger unit or position or characters in that particular close combat? But ah, I realize there must be some form of hidden information, maybe some form of combat bonus system, some form of magical item or spell, perhaps a resource mechanic or hidden objectives or the like, which means we will not always have this information available? No? Then... why are people rushing off to close combat every game I've watched? Surely, sitting back in your corner is the best strategy, since you can then fill up on war machines and magic and against some armies take points off them without them ever reaching you? So why don't everyone do precisely that? As I read on, the questions kept piling up. Why IS everyone playing an entirely different game than the rules prescribe? Why are some rules randomly interpreted and inforced the way they are, with no seeming connection to the rulebook itself? Saying it's about the culture and shared understanding of what makes a wargame fun doesn't explain it, since people still take 600 point Dragons without really minding that every single person on the internet says thats a horribly nasty thing to do? And even more perplexing: this idea of what rules to use properly and what rules not to use properly leads into the exact gameplay situations and metas that the very same people doing the, I'm not gonna say enforcing since it seems they do this unwittingly, upholding of these paradigms decry and detest. Without putting all your soldiers in a line, how can infantry have any chance against monsters or cavalry? Without putting all your ranged units into a line, how can they ever get the output to hit a single thing, given how this game puts most ranged units at a 6+ to hit consistently? Reading the rules as written, infantry seem better than cavalry and monsters by virtue of their low points cost to damage output ratio, but since the rules that make cavalry and monsters strong are enforced (speed, terror, triple-saving and so on) while the rules that would make infantry strong (line formations, static combat resolution, detachments, ranged damage output) are either ignored or outright frowned upon, what gamestate do people expect that to produce? All the games I've played of the old world thus far has seen me try to employ tactics clearly suggested by the rules, realize half way in that my opponent is frustrated, sad or angry, and decide that okay clearly that too is a rule people ignore, and change my approach, only to find myself in the same situation in the next game but for a different set of rules, mechanics or interactions. It's very, very hard to play The Old World in a way that people call "fun", while trying to employ any tactics beyond a very, very standardized set of parameters. It's the same reason Magic the Gatherings Commander format doesn't work and is actually not playable as written, but people insist on engaging with, fighting over and moan about online. But that's another drug fueled rant entirely I suppose.