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A320 Descent Energy Management
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A320 Descent Management - VVTH, correct approach
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The generic jet version of the Descent Energy book (Jet Aircraft Descent Management) is available here:
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A320 Descent Management - VVCA, VDEV incorrect
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The VDEV is not always correct. Always cross check the VDEV with your own profile calculation. If you are high on energy, always make sure the thrust remains at IDLE. The A320 Descent Energy Management book is available here: www.amazon.com/Practical-Descent-Energy-Management-A319/dp/B09M5B12XF/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1637766049&sr=8-1 The generic jet version of the Descent Ener...
Transition Altitude - Advanced Transition Procedures
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In this presentation, I explain how to handle non-standard transition procedures. The A320 Descent Energy Management book is available here: www.amazon.com/Practical-Descent-Energy-Management-A319/dp/B09M5B12XF/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1637766049&sr=8-1 The generic jet version of the Descent Energy book (Jet Aircraft Descent Management) is available here: www.amazon.com/dp/B0CJRH...
Raw Data ILS Presentation
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In this presentation, I explain how to fly a Raw Data ILS. First I discuss some theories, then I dissect an actual Raw Data ILS flown in an A320 and a Raw Data ILS flow on a PC flight simulator (X-Plane 12 - ToLiss A321). Full real A320 Raw Data ILS video: ua-cam.com/video/PgmffR_8wio/v-deo.html Full X-Plane Raw Data ILS video: ua-cam.com/video/K-f8hh0WmcM/v-deo.html The A320 Descent Energy Man...
Raw Data ILS - ToLiss A321 - X-Plane 12
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Raw data ILS flown using X-Plane 12 and the ToLiss A321. Light turbulence and thermals are present. Using a PC-based sim is a great way to keep up your flying skills. A real raw data ILS being flown can be viewed here (different airport): ua-cam.com/video/PgmffR_8wio/v-deo.html Raw Data ILS presentation with video breakdown: ua-cam.com/video/QydWeW81Bxc/v-deo.html The A320 Descent Energy Manage...
A320 Raw Data ILS
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Raw Data ILS flown into VVPQ. Raw Data ILS presentation with video breakdown: ua-cam.com/video/QydWeW81Bxc/v-deo.html The A320 Descent Energy Management book is available here: www.amazon.com/Practical-Descent-Energy-Management-A319/dp/B09M5B12XF/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1637766049&sr=8-1 The generic jet version of the Descent Energy book (Jet Aircraft Descent Management) is avai...
Practical Airline Radio Telephony
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My new book "Practical Airline Radio Telephony" is now available: www.amazon.com/Practical-Airline-Telephony-Tjeerd-Schouten-ebook/dp/B0BCFHV55D/ref=sr_1_1?crid=RVL2QF5YEYVN The A320 Descent Energy Management book is available here: www.amazon.com/Practical-Descent-Energy-Management-A319/dp/B09M5B12XF/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1637766049&sr=8-1 The generic jet version of the Desce...
Descent Management - Calculate Distance
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Using the correct distance for the profile calculation is essential. If the distance you are using is incorrect, your descent management will be incorrect also. In this video, I describe the different methods available to get the correct distance for your profile calculation. The A320 Descent Energy Management book is available here: www.amazon.com/Practical-Descent-Energy-Management-A319/dp/B0...
A320 VOR presentation
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This is a presentation about how to fly a VOR approach with the A320. Managed VOR approach video: ua-cam.com/video/rNKmK43qghg/v-deo.html Selected VOR approach video: ua-cam.com/video/Lga28pzMEQQ/v-deo.html The A320 Descent Energy Management book is available here: www.amazon.com/Practical-Descent-Energy-Management-A319/dp/B09M5B12XF/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1637766049&sr=8-1 The...
A320 glide slope issue in VVBM
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In VVBM RW 09, there is an issue with the glide slope signal fluctuating. The A320 Descent Energy Management book is available here: www.amazon.com/Practical-Descent-Energy-Management-A319/dp/B09M5B12XF/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1637766049&sr=8-1 The generic jet version of the Descent Energy book (Jet Aircraft Descent Management) is available here: www.amazon.com/dp/B0CJRH8YF6/ref...
A320 managed VOR approach
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In this video, I describe how to fly a vertically fully managed VOR approach in the A320. The A320 Descent Energy Management book is available here: www.amazon.com/Practical-Descent-Energy-Management-A319/dp/B09M5B12XF/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1637766049&sr=8-1 The generic jet version of the Descent Energy book (Jet Aircraft Descent Management) is available here: www.amazon.com/d...
A320 approach when heavy
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When the aircraft is heavy, there is a risk of Flap 2 overspeed. In this video I explain how to prevent that. The A320 Descent Energy Management book is available here: www.amazon.com/Practical-Descent-Energy-Management-A319/dp/B09M5B12XF/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1637766049&sr=8-1 The generic jet version of the Descent Energy book (Jet Aircraft Descent Management) is available he...
A320 selected VOR approach
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In this video, I describe how to fly a vertically selected VOR approach in the A320. The A320 Descent Energy Management book is available here: www.amazon.com/Practical-Descent-Energy-Management-A319/dp/B09M5B12XF/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1637766049&sr=8-1 The generic jet version of the Descent Energy book (Jet Aircraft Descent Management) is available here: www.amazon.com/dp/B0C...
History behind A320 Descent Management book
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In this video, I tell the story about how the book Practical Descent Energy Management came to be. The A320 Descent Energy Management book is available here: www.amazon.com/Practical-Descent-Energy-Management-A319/dp/B09M5B12XF/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1637766049&sr=8-1 The generic jet version of the Descent Energy book (Jet Aircraft Descent Management) is available here: www.ama...
Cadet Line Training Preparation
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This presentation is for Cadet pilots about how to prepare for line training. The A320 Descent Energy Management book is available here: www.amazon.com/Practical-Descent-Energy-Management-A319/dp/B09M5B12XF/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1637766049&sr=8-1 The generic jet version of the Descent Energy book (Jet Aircraft Descent Management) is available here: www.amazon.com/dp/B0CJRH8YF6...
A320 Descent Management Presentation
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A320 Descent Management Presentation
A320 Descent Management - VVDN, too high on energy
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A320 Descent Management - VVDN, too high on energy
A320 Descent Management - VVDN shortcut, glide slope from above.
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A320 Descent Management - VVDN shortcut, glide slope from above.
A320 Descent Management - VVNB, glide slope from above
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A320 Descent Management - VVNB, glide slope from above
A320 Descent Management - VVTS, correct approach
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A320 Descent Management - VVTS, correct approach
A320 Descent Management - VVVH correct approach
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A320 Descent Management - VVVH correct approach
A320 Descent Management - VVCR glide slope from above
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A320 Descent Management - VVCR glide slope from above
A320 Descent Management - VVDN, shortcut twice
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A320 Descent Management - VVDN, shortcut twice
A320 Descent Management - VVDL correct approach
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A320 Descent Management - VVDL correct approach
A320 Descent Management - VVDL speed mismanaged
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A320 Descent Management - VVDL speed mismanaged
A320 Descent Management - VVNB glide slope from above
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A320 Descent Management - VVNB glide slope from above
A320 Descent Management - ZSHC above glide slope
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A320 Descent Management - ZSHC above glide slope
A320 Descent Management - VVCI vertical speed mismanaged
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A320 Descent Management - VVCI vertical speed mismanaged
A320 Descent Management - VVPQ correct approach
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A320 Descent Management - VVPQ correct approach
A320 Descent Management - VVPQ, slowing down too late
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A320 Descent Management - VVPQ, slowing down too late
Hello Captain. Is it available the book for iPads on bookstore? If not, Where can I find a PDF paid version?
You can get it on iPad by installing the Amazon Kindle app. Then you go to the Amazon website to buy the kindle edition of my book. After that it will show up in your Kindle app.
Another amazing video, lots of good tips and nice of you to keep it simple!
Hey captain, off topic question. On an EFATO. Once the FMGC detects an engine out condition. Does the system know to ignore the THR RED / ACC HEIGHT? so you don’t have to worry about it inadvertently accelerating too early? The FCOM only mentions that it doesn’t accelerate at the ENG OUT ACC which I am aware of anyway. I don’t think it does accelerate until you push VS 0 anyway I just wondered if you’ve ever experienced a premature acceleration because of this
If an engine out is detected, it will ignore THR RED and ACC. Indeed it will even ignore ENG OUT ACC. I have never seen this logic fail it the sim. I suppose the engine would fail just at or after the THR RED/ACC alt, it will still trigger the thrust reduction or acceleration, but that's an edge case.
Very interesting insights. I would like to know why the VNAV was still off after passing the FL100 altitude constraint? Or does it just try to fly a geometric descent from the FL100 waypoint to the next at a steep angle?
I think it's because the vertical path is calculated for a much higher speed.
I consider that he F/o in this case is not that high at all. He’s flying at FL100 250kt 30 miles. Thats perfecty okay. The only thing why he is a little high is because of the tailwind. But just a little bit.
I agree. Suggesting to be at S speed with 30 miles to run is ludicrous. Would cause carnage into any airport with any sort of sequence behind them.
First you have to slow down when you need to descent but cannot. Once you can descent you need to speed up. So it's not about staying at the slow speed. That is time efficiënt and will get you even higher. Priciples of descent management requires context.
I got see your point. However, focusing on this particular case you cannot decelerate to S speed ( therefore being forced to select flaps 1 )30 miles away from touchdown. You’d ruin the airport sequence, and it is not efficient. To solve the situation ( however I can’t see why he’s high on energy) i would just apply the speedbrake or even reducing the speed to 230 aprox( to keep the margin with VLS) in order to be able to apply speedbrake with no flaps selection
@@tolokingperson2944 I am sorry but I do not agree with you. Unless ATC gave you a speed restriction, slowing down and then speeding up in order to manage your energy is in fact efficient and does not ruin sequencing at all. Not even once in my entire career did ATC complain I'm slowing down because I get high, provided of course they didn't tell me maintain a certain speed. Again, the slow down is only temporary. The average speed along the track is the same and thus will not affect sequencing.
@@a320descentenergymanagemen3 Yes, except there will be significant compression of traffic at the point you choose to go to S speed (even if planning to accelerate after the fact). While you may reach the IAF at the same time, when running a 60 second sequence at a feeder gate for an airport, it would not be acceptable for a pilot to reduce to S Speed 30 miles out. Most flow systems work on the principle of aircraft maintaining a certain performance profile to a certain point. Where you are flying in Vietnam this probably isn't a problem, but using this method at many busier ports around the world would result in ATC not being happy.
Lovely video, thank you for sharing your insights!
Captain. With an OEI approach and if I kept the rudder trim in, is it possible that during the flare I would actually need opposite rudder to counteract reduced yaw as I’m idling the thrust. For example eng 1 failure right rudder to be straight, however if i keep 7 units of R rudder in, as I’m flaring is there a chance I might actually need left rudder?
You are correct. That is why some people like PM to press the rudder trim center button to center the rudder just before landing. In the FCTM there is more detail about that. Personally I don't find there is much of an effect, unless there was a lot of thrust just before landing. From my experience, with a normal landing, almost no one puts any rudder in for a crosswind landing. Not sure why that is, complacency or bad training. Either way, the aircraft seems to handle this quite ok, so some crab angle at touch down due to engine asymmetry isn't that much of an issue. But combined with a crosswind making it worse, and already being to the side of the runway, can make the situation worse. So it's definitely something to take into account.
Hello! I am applying all the Rules for the descent planning. I’m flying A321neo. With this plane, and I assume because of the Drag of the PW Engines, I end up way too low to intercept the G/S with a level segment
Indeed, the NEO has more drag due to the bigger engines. But that is not the only factor. Wind, weight, thermals, are other factors. That being said, my calculation method leaves a 500 ft margin, so if you want to have idle thrust all the way (max 1000 ft AAL), then you need to fly 500 ft above profile. With the NEO that is ok, but with any other variation, you don't leave much room for error.
Thank you for making a video again!
What is the software you were showing in the beginning of the video?
I made that software myself. It is work in progress and not yet available. It will take probably about a year before it's ready.
Why at the beginning you calculated 3*60 = FL180 and substracted 3000ft? You said you are flying 300kt
They appear to be rules of thumb to account for energy transfer between altitude and speed. I.e 300kts will need 3000ft to slow to approach speeds, 250kt 2000ft, green dot 1000ft and 'S' 500ft. Not sure if that's accurate, just what I inferred from the video.
Correct. Indeed this is just a rule of thumb, not an SOP. But it works really well. It gives a bit of a margin as well. Depending the weight and wind, you can be 500 ft above profile, and still be ok.
The details about these calculations are available in my book. Only 10 usd on Kindle.
Thanks, great video
Thank you so much
Hi bro, can i ask what is the software you use at the beginning of the video ? Thanks a lot
I made that software myself. It is work in progress and not yet available. It will take probably about a year before it's ready.
@ it looks amazing for practice at home to calcute descent profile bro, love to see it when it’s ready, let me know ! Ty bro
Welcome back
Im still kinda confused...Youre D Tamla, at 10K. Im guessing TAMLA is maybe at or above 4K? So 6K feet to lose in 25 miles is too high?
When at FL100, a shortcut from present position to TAMLA gives 25 nm total track. At that time the speed is 250 kts. Profile calculation: round down first. 20 nm x 3 = 6000 ft. Fly 2000 ft lower due to speed at 250 kts, so that becomes 4000 ft. Then add 1500 ft for the 5 nm (25 nm, not 20 nm), so that becomes 5500 ft. This means that we are 4500 ft too high (1000 ft - 5500 ft), which is excessive. Notice that I did not use the altitude restriction at TAMLA for my calculation. Doing so invokes a method I do not teach for various reasons, mainly because it adds unnecessary complexity. I understand the subject is complex, but it is important to stick to the teaching and not add any other things to the mix. My book is only 10 usd on Amazon kindle, it is all explained in detail there. Let me know if that answers your question.
Captain I think I am overthinking this but I have two questions. Sorry if they are stupid. 1. I’m struggling to understand how increasing speed in op des actually gets you to your destination quicker, my reason for this is because surely if you increase the speed you are losing vertical height quicker more vertically but sacrificing your horizontal distance? 2. In a strong xwind from the right, I would need left rudder on the rollout to stay straight. However, my question is if I then wanted to vacate to the right how is this best done, because eventually NWS becomes more effective and I would end up turning left if I kept left rudder in (progressive amount as decelerating) in this situation is it better to slow down to taxi speed and use the tiller or once down to a slower speed will I be able to use into wind rudder to vacate to the right? Hope that makes sense.
1: You have to think of it as speed vectors in trigonometry. The shortest route is not necessarily the quickest route. It works the same with road navigation. If you can drive faster on the highway, you might reach your destination earlier, despite driving a longer distance. 2: At taxi speed, the weather cocking effect is small enough to make no noticeable difference on any rudder vs tiller technique. At this time, other variables, such as how far you are off runway/taxiway centerline make far more difference. In general, the easiest way to deal with handling techniques is to apply input whatever is necessary to achieve your goal. It is often not required to think ahead too much. Of course it gets easier with experience. When I first started flying (or even driving), I was the same like you, wanting to understand all the theoretical details so that I could be ahead of the game. But often it created more problems than it solved. Just look out of the window and do whatever is required. With crosswind, the only thing you have to anticipate is kick the rudder the right way just before touchdown, then keep the rudder after nose gear touch down. After that, just react to the aircraft.
A question regarding the use of speedbrake. If you’re left high and ATC have delayed descent it is best to reduce your speed (as per recommendation in your book) ans then once you can descend, increase speed and dive it off. My question is, at high levels, how is it best to judge if you need high speed AND speedbrake? I get the impression that high speed might be enough to recover a profile at high levels but you may need speedbrake if atc have requested a specific speed and you’re high. Please correct me if I’m wrong. I understand at lower levels I wouldn’t want to increase the speed as I need to think about eventually configuring so it would be better to use speedbrakes then… but what about at high level? Is it best to first use open des at high speed and see the rate of recovery in the profile before you get speedbrake out or should you aim to recover it as quickly as you can. Thanks.
If you are more than 70 nm to go then you can speed up initially, without speed brake. There will be enough time to use speed brake later in case speed up alone is not enough. You will have to calculate that later. If you have less than 70 nm to go, speeding up alone will not help, you will need speed brake if you are high on energy. The reason for this is indeed you have to configure, but also, speeding up does not solve a high energy situation because you just trade altitude for speed. You get lower, but now you are fast. So why does it work at higher levels? Because you end up spending more time at a low level where the air is much denser, causing more drag. But this takes time, hence, it only works when you are far away at the higher levels.
I have a question regarding ring ranges. personally I like a little ring range for some situational awareness. If the platform alt is at 3k I will put a 10nm ring. however I see some people do a 9nm ring, won’t this technically be slightly inaccurate if they base on approximately 300ft per nm? secondly. if I want to do a ring for an approach with a platform alt that has 2k. What’s the best way to do it, surely 6nm isn’t totally accurate because that is based on alt x3? I appreciate it isnt an exact science just wanted to know your thoughts.
I do not advice this because a distance alone does not take into account the speed. If you are at the ring at your target altitude, it might give you the false impression that you are on profile when in fact you are too fast. There are many ways to deal with descent management but I want to stick with the method I teach because otherwise it adds complexity to an already complex subject. My book contains a structured well explained method how to deal with these things. The UA-cam videos are there just to support my book. This is not to say that your method of using rings is not valuable, it certainly can be valuable. As for the platform altitude, I would avoid flying level at 2000 ft unless the procedure specifically mentions that you have to. The reasons for this, and how to deal with this, is also in my book. But basically you want to be gear down just before you intercept the glide slope, privided you are fkying level, and your speed is not too high. All these things you have to view in context. Something that the folks at Airbus also seem to struggle with, judging from the things they write in the FCOM regarding this subject.
Very well managed Captain… awesomely handled.. 🫡🫡 it was such a mess in the last stages.. 😰😵💫 Bt in our company we wud have been pulled up for having Vapp beyond 10 kts below 1000 ft AGL..
It depends the company, but with the company I flew for when I made this video, you can be fast up to 500 ft at daytime. The dark environment was caused by overcast clouds at twilight. It was actually still daytime legally. But yes, it is something to watch out for.
@ believe it not, i would have been on the edge of my seat when it almost reached the Red band. Then with that OPEN DESCENT..!! I would have lost it… 😥looks like as a trainer you give complete chance to ur trainees… 🫡
In this scenario why isn’t the loc engaging? Is it cause you’re too far out. Secondly slightly off topic but if you are cleared for an ILS and you are 30nm out on the intercept it may be better to manage hdg until you’re within the envelope before arming APPR. Once you arm APPR will NAV BLUE disarm to replace G/S and LOC blue. If so what would happen to the INCPT point on the ND, would it disappear and you’d just be flying in hdg before intercepting loc.
LOC(*) green will only engage when LOC is blue (which happens when you press either the LOC or APPR pushbutton). Also, you have to be close enough to the llz beam, or on a sharp intercept heading. At what time in the video did you expect LOC* to engage? ATC will not give you a vector expecting you to intercept the LLZ outside of the certified range. However, if that is the case somehow, then indeed you can manage HDG to get NAV blue, provided the flight plan is sequenced. Most of the time you can just wait a bit to get in range before arming APPR without having to push HDG though. But if you do push HDG, you will get NAV blue, and it will remove GS blue and LOC blue if that was present. If you press APPR with NAV blue present, then NAV blue will removed and replaced by GS blue and LOC blue. In that case the INCPT point will be removed and the track to intercept will be removed as if it was never there and you were flying in HDG mode and never managed HDG.
@@a320descentenergymanagemen3 I thought the loc would engaged around 20nm out but watching it back and zooming in I can see it looks like you weren’t actually on an intercept course until CI28 so apologise that’s my dodgy eyesight!😂 so that makes sense. That is all understood above, so the way to do it is manage nav first and wait until you’re within the coverage zone (if you’re going to do this) and NOT press APPR then manage heading as GS and LOC blue would be removed. & then if my understanding is correct this would be slightly different in a FINAL APP approach, at which point you may as well press appr in the first place because it will draw the intercept and arm final and app nav?
Indeed. One other thing to look out for is that with some approaches the procedure takes you through the localizer and you have to intercept it from the other side. Even if ATC clears you for the approach, you still have to follow the procedure track.
Thanks for your answer reg crosswind landing. You have cleared things up for me massively. I just have one query, would there become a point on rollout where you would need into wind rudder to stop drifting downwind? Or does the weathercock overwhelm any sort of pushing of the wind & in turn it's always rudder opposite to the wind.
The weathercock effect is always way stronger than anything else, no matter what the speed. So you only have to correct for that.
With a heavy crosswind from the right you’d need left rudder and right aileron upon touchdown to maintain to be straight. How would that transition upon rollout. Would you still need left rudder to remain straight and stop yawing into wind?😊
First I want to clear up a possible misconception. In a small airplane you apply cross controls so that you fly with one wing down to prevent drift on short final. With airliners we don't do that because it causes engine ground clearance issues and you also don't want to land with one wheel first with heavy aircraft. So no aileron is applied for crosswind landings, except to counter a roll moment if you kick the rudder hard, but aileron applied for that is only momentary, not continuous. I only had to do that a few times during my career, so it's rare. So what about the plane drifting then as you kick the rudder to align the wheels with the runway (that's the reason we kick the rudder)? The answer is that the plane doesn't drift, if you do it properly. How is that possible? Inertia. You should only kick the rudder when the wheels are a few feet above the runway, so just before touch down. If you do it too soon, it will drift. The inertia will prevent drift because there is not enough time for the wind to start blowing the plane off track. This won't work with small light aircraft but it works beautifully with airliners. As for the transition upon rollout, keep the rudder during the derotation, and after touchdown. Also keep the rudder during the rollout. Of course you have to modulate the rudder amount to suit the need. Never release the rudder upon touchdown. That is a common mistake. That's how you end up in the grass due to weathercocking. So yes, in your example you will still need left rudder during the rollout. Also, do not use rudder to fly the aircraft to the centerline in case you are off track just before touchdown because depending the direction of the wind and if you are left/right off centerline, you could kick the rudder the wrong way, making the wheels slide (drift like with a car) even more upon touchdown. Another common mistake. Instead, always use aileron to fly the aircraft to the centerline. Don't worry about engine clearance. It doesn't take much bank angle to make the adjustments needed. Make sure keep the nose upwind, to the side of the centerline a bit (only relevant as you get close to the runway). Because as you kick the rudder, the nose wheel will move to the side. If the cockpit view is at exactly the centerline, you will toch down off centerline after you kick the rudder just before touchdown. Don't be fooled by various visual illusions. You kick the rudder based on the direction of the wind, not based on the visual picture out of the window. From my experience, there are not many pilots who get that.
@ thank you you’ve really cleared things up for me, would there ever become a point on the rollout where say if there’s a crosswind from the right, would there be a point on rollout where you’d need right rudder to stop drifting downwind or does the weathercock overwhelm any pushing of the wind if that makes sense?
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@@Brandon-pq3is You don't use rudder to prevent drifting but instead you use a crab angle for that. The rudder is only used just before touch down and during the rollout.
Hi. Two questions. 1. Assuming in G/S* with the 320 balloon is the aircraft guaranteed to keep G/S* engaged and not potentially lose it due to the subsequent balloon? 2. During line training I found trainers were quite hot on managing speed before selecting f1, and checking there’s a deceleration to F1 (I assume this is to catch a potential error of forgetting to activate appr phase and thus an aircraft acceleration to 250). However, I occasionally see captains on the line keeping 220 selected and then asking for F1 just to reduce VLS and more speedbrake authority. Do you recommend this personally? Or are you of view that if you’re that high on energy at that stage of approach you should just bring the speed further back from 220 so you can get F2 out or potentially gear earlier like in this example.
G/S* is permanent and cannot be lost. There is a difference between line training and flying on the line. During line training they teach you SOPs, techniques, and good habits. Techniques are not SOPs and therefore do not have to be always applied the way you were taught. Also, in an airline there are pilots who initially started at other airlines and subsequently were taught different hings. Even within one airline there is rarely a strict standard between instructors. Instructors also come from different airlines and have different techniques and habits which they teach. Managing the speed before selecting F1 is a good habit for new pilots but not required at all if you are experienced. It has advantages and disadvantages doing so. For example, If you are heavy, it's turbulent, and can't fly a level segment at green dot, it's actually better to select the speed below green dot, then select F1 at green dot, to prevent an overspeed. When high on energy, asking for F1 just to reduce Vls so you can use speed brakes is a valid technique which I also teach. That is better than reducing the speed further and go for F2 early as that can get you above the glide slope if done too late. Also, when drag is not needed anymore, you can easily stow the speed brakes, but you should not retract Flap 2.
Is there much difference in vertical speed with f2 180kts open des between being very light and very heavy?
Not enough to make any meaningful difference over a long enough time. Flaps 2 should not be used for drag because you can't retract it when not needed anymore like with a speedbrake. And while slowing down to 180 kts, you reduce the VS and if you do that too late, you can end up above the glide slope. So if you use F2 with 180 kts in OP DES, it will be for a relatively short time. If you are very light, the descent angle will be steeper, but not enough to make a big difference over a short amount of time.
I apologise in advance for my stupid comment, but the whole '1500 ft for 5nm' thing, just confirming is that based on 300ft per NM on a standard 3 degree approach. Likewise if I just wanted to eyeball how much height I could lose in 20nm, would I just do 20 x 3 = 6k ft I can potentially lose. I know it is better to work on track miles to run to the threshold and that's what I do, I just like backing it up with a sanity check. Obviously the managed descent profile is slightly shallower (2.5 degrees) so would you just call it a negligible difference? Also in your book you talk about how with distance x 3 it's not accurate further than 50nm away, however a few pages later you say it's more accurate than altitude x 3. Are you comparing it not being accurate to the managed vdev profile or not accurate to alt x 3. I mean it all in a good way just trying to learn :)
1500 ft for 5 nm is indeed 300 ft per nm. But if the approach is more than 3 degrees, the same descent calculation applies though. Once you are on the glide slope in that case, the calculation is different, but before that it's the same. Second point, indeed you can always do distance x3 as a sanity check. A managed descent profile is not any different than a selected profile though. The calculation is the same. Distance x 3 is more accurate compared to altitude x 3. As for the 50 nm, because you will be on a mach number when much further than that, any calculation is unstable and you get inaccurate numbers no matter what. Also, at that diatance you are unlikely to get any shortcuts and if you do, it's easier to just update the FMS track and you will have plenty of time to fix any high profile situation.
@@a320descentenergymanagemen3 Thank you. Lastly, the 500ft rule that open des does to capture the target speed (if it’s slower than actual) is that just an approximate? It’s not something I could find in the FCOM.
@@a320descentenergymanagemen3 thank you, and you know you talk about op des targeting 500fpm when you set a target speed lower than your actual speed (so we can slow down) is that an official number, or is it just an approximate (couldn’t find it in FCOM)
Everything I teach are all techniques, almost nothing is from the FCOM. The FCOM is pretty useless concerning descent management as many points they make are missing context and some points are just plain misleading.
A really useful video, thank you so much. Could you also use distance x 3 like this: say you were expecting an approximate 40 mile shortcut from PENT to KREN. If I wanted to be at 4000ft by KREN. Would the correct calculation be 4x3 =12k ft to lose so I know if I want to be at 4k by KREN I need to be no more than 16k ft by PENT. & then once you get that shortcut you can do the total track miles and account for speed in your calculations as you do etc. or would you do it any differently?
That is not what I teach due to added workload and there is no need for that. Instead, only work with the expected track miles (shortcut taken into account). Then do the profile calculation and figure out if you are above or below profile and deal with that accordingly. If there are altitude restrictions which put you high or low, just fly the VDEV and if you get high on the calculated profile, slow down.
@@a320descentenergymanagemen3 ok so expected track miles to the threshold including the shortcut. I understand.
Quick question. If you’re flying into an airport and say they’ve cleared you direct to the IAF, 4000ft (min altitude at the IAF) and then cleared you for the ILS. With a platform altitude of 3000ft, are we able to descend down to 3000 after we’ve passed the IAF (next min altitude) or do ATC expect us to intercept the glide at 4000ft.
If you are cleared for the approach, you can follow the altitude constraints and descend according to the STAR and approach procedure.
interesting scenario from me recently, on a base leg 180kts f1… green yoyo = on profile however glideslope giving more than 2 dots below the glide.. what do you recommend to do in this case? F2 out and shallow to get the glide?
When you are on base leg, the glide slope is not valid. The glide slope is only valid if you are two dots on the localizer, some airports only one dot. Also, being on the yoyo does not necessarily mean you are on profile as it is not always correct. The only way to find out if you are on profile is to calculate with distance, altitude, and speed. But let's say that you are indeed below profile. The way to fix that is by adding thrust, not by adding drag or slowing down. Flap 2 gives the same amount of drag as speed brakes. And although slowing down does indeed make the deacent angle shallower, now you are slow causing a delay and piss off ATC. That is why you should just use VS-500 to fix that, but again, it is questionable if you were actually below profile or not. Read my book. It's only 10 usd on Amazon kindle. All this knowledge is all in there.
also sorry to ask again. If you haven’t extended from the FDP. Would you in theory have to manage nav and then wait for to waypoint to become fdp then press APPR? (If for example you were on radar vectors and didn’t extend from the fdp because you were expecting a DIR TO to the waypoint before the fdp for example)
Yes, you are correct.
In your book you talk about when landing at high elevation airports, for configuration you should minus the elevation from your current altitude; and add it just for profile only. If my SOPs specify that flap 2 needs to be taken by 2k tdze… would I not add the airport elevation to 2k? However would I be right in saying I could also do current altitude- 2000 and as long as it’s above 2000 then I haven’t busted the 2k flap 2 rule.
Let's say the airport elevation is 3000 ft. If you need to have Flap 2 selected by 2000 ft above the airfield (which by the way is way too late), indeed you have to add it, so at 5000 ft (from altimeter) you should have Flap 2 selected, latest. Doing current altitude (5000 ft) - 2000 ft will give you 3000 ft, in which case you just landed without proper configuration (airport elevation 3000 ft). This is not the method I teach though because as you can see, it's easy to mix up adding and subtracting. For configuring at above sea level airports, instead you should work exclusively with distance. For example 2000 ft above the airfield equals 6.7 nm to the threshold. That is the same no matter what the airfield elevation is. Use the runway threshold distance from the FMS progress page only for that because the track distance is not correct for some NPA depending the software setup.
Although the headwind decreases your ground speed surely the headwind is not beneficial because it would cause a higher IAS initially anyway?
More headwind does not cause more IAS. But if you mean that a sudden headwind increase due turbulence or when turning rapidly into a headwind, then yes, it will cause a temporary IAS increase due to the inertia of the aircraft. So whether or not you call it beneficial, depends on what timeframe you are looking at. What I mean in this video is the benefit of headwind once the wind component is stable.
If you had a discontinuity in the box along a fplan - will the FMGC track miles still be accurate? As in will it draw an imaginary line to the next waypoint.
Indeed, the FMS will draw an invisible line to the active waypoint. So if the flight plan is not properly sequenced or you are too far off track, the FMS distance will not be correct.
In the event of managed speed in open des& nav. Will speed constraints still be followed even if not in des?
Yes, as long as you are in NAV mode, the speed constraints will be followed if the speed is managed. No need to be in DES mode for that.
awesome video Cpt! How do you compensate for HDW or TLW? Thank you!
There is no need to calculate for that. You cannot ignore it, but instead of doing a calculation, just keep calculating the profile as usual. When you get high (due to a tailwind or another reason), use speed brake. When you get low (due to a tailwind or another reason), set VS-500. The wind doesn't make much difference unless it's a lot for a long time.
@@a320descentenergymanagemen3 thank you for the elaboration!
When you arm the appr after extending centreline from FDP, is there any need to manage HDG before to get the intercept point? Or does pressing appr give you that intercept point. Thanks
No need to manage HDG, unless you want to fly selected vertically. If you press APPR, you will get APP NAV (blue, or green if already in NAV), which will intercept in the same way as manage HDG.
6:36 I don't understand how do you get from 33*3=99 (assume you want us to multiply by 100 to get the altitude) -> 9900->~10000ft - 3000ft(for 300+kts)=7000 to 6000ft?
You have to round down the distance. So 33 nm becomes 30 nm. Then multiply that by 3 and you get 9000 ft. At 300 kts (also rounded to the nearest reference), you have to fly 3000 ft lower, so 6000 ft. Rounding before calculating is done for workload management. There is no need for high frequency calculation, so you can calculate at 10 nm or 5 nm intervals.
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I don't understand why you need the speed break when you have head wind when the head wind should technically reduce the speed because it's forcing the opposite side.
Because you need a sustained 30 kt headwind component for a long time to have the same effect as the speedbrake. That situation is very rare, so in reality you will need to create drag yourself when you are high on energy.
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How about just using distance rings for the rough estimate and round down?
There are some situations where that will work, but not many. But you can try and see if it works for you.
I think that scenario was excellent for the FO to learn some energy management. You keep the flight within a safe envelope so nothing to worry about. We tend to learn better by “messing” things up. I’m pretty sure that FO will keep an eye on his energy very well from now on.
Yes indeed, that's my training style. They learn much faster like that.
Your videos with real life scenarios help me so much with flying in vietnam. Thanks a lot!
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Can these rules of thumb be used for other types of jets? Of the same class?
Yes it can. It works well for the B737 (I used to fly that) and even bigger aircraft. Not sure about small business jets, but I think it's not that far off.
Hi Tjeerd, I hope you are doing well. I just had a few questions for you. I have recently finished line training and have found your energy management method not only useful but also intuitive. I would also like to point out that I read your book and especially enjoyed challenging myself with the quizzes. I have however found that many captains in my company seem to think I am too “low” or too conservative on my energy management. Of course, being more conservative is definitely preferable to the opposite, especially given my relatively limited experience at the beginning of my career. However, I have been trying to work out why this is. As you mention in your book and your videos, there are many calculation methods and some captains seem to multiply altitude rather than distance (or divide distance rather than divide altitude). It is my understanding that both methods provide similar but slightly different results. The former (your method with all things being equal) would provide a descent path of about 2.82 degrees whereas the latter (the one used by some of my colleagues) provides a descent path of about 3.13 degrees. This could perhaps explain why they feel that I am low as their calculation assumes a steeper path (higher altitude for the same distance from the threshold). Presumably, they are then able to compensate/adjust for this with their more experienced feel for the aircraft’s energy. What are your thoughts? I also thought a reason could be a misunderstanding surrounding the expression “being on profile”, as you eloquently explained in your book. For instance, I might find that I am on profile after subtracting altitude for speed correction (and thus below the 3 degree profile) whereas they might consider that being “on profile” means being on the 3 degree path and intending to solve speed reduction in a different way (not directly incorporated into altitude calculation). What are your thoughts? Thank you for taking the time to read and thank you again for providing light on the fascinating subject of energy management. I look forward to hearing back from you.
Using a different calculation will definitely create a discrepencie between opionions whether you are high or low. However, the difference is not that much. Also, your captain might be calculating for the wind and weight, something I don't teach (take it into account, but don't calculate for it), but that can also create a difference of optinion. The definition of being on profile and how to deal with that is indeed also open to interpretation. The method I teach is not an SOP and therefore you will get as many different answers as to whether you are high or low on energy. However, from my experience, a shocking amount of pilots don't fully understand this subject, including some training captains and examiners. This makes it very difficult for a new pilot such as yourself to find the truth. Not to say that your captain is wrong, but he could actually be wrong. It's easy to check. Ask him if he is on profile, then provided no unexpected shortcut is given, does he need the speed brake, gear down early, or Flap 2 early? One other thing I should mention is CRM. Unless you are way off profile, your captain should just let you fly the aircraft. You are not going to improve much if your captain keeps micro managing your descent and approach. Of course you can't tell him that so bluntly, so unfortunately you will have to navigate the wates of the unspoken social tact of ego sensitive aviation related matters. Keep up the good work. Your inquisitive attitude will get you places. I wish you all the best with your career.
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I have a question. If you are vectored at 4000 feet and then you are clear for lnav/vnav. Your FDP is 3000 feet, what you should do? Continue descend with V/S to 3000 and once the top ND is your FDP arm the approach?
It's a good question but it needs more context. If you do a vertically selected approach, you need to have a level segment before the FDP (or ideally not below 3000 ft, even if the FDP is at say 2000 ft) so that you can pull at 0.3 nm before and thus have a predictable vertical path interception. So in that case, setting a V/S high enough to see the arrows creating a level segment is advisable. If you do a managed approach, you need to be careful that in the case of a dive and drive (only one vertical path segment coded) the aircraft does not over speed once it goes into FINAL APP and dives down to catch the vertical path. In that case, it's best to be fully configured so that a pitch down moment does not cause the speed to increase significantly. Fiddling with the vertical speed in this case does not provide reliable results from my experience. This is because the aircraft can go onto FINAL APP any time it's close enough (provided APPR is armed of course). When doing a vertically managed approach, you can delay arming APPR to prevent an unwanted pitch down moment, but again, that is only an issue if only one vertical path segment is coded. So it depends on how the FMS is coded and what you are trying to achieve. Does this answer your question?
Hi , first of all , ı would like to thank you for your whole videos. I wonder whether this aircraft has DPO function or not?
None of the aircraft featured on my channel have DPO. From my experience, it doesn't have much effect on descent management though. DPO doesn't affect the calculation or methodology.