The Amateur Golfer's Dilemma
The Amateur Golfer's Dilemma
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Watch the footwork of young Moe Norman
Each golfer needs to find the footwork that works for them as individuals. Moe's changed substantially over the years...what people now think is Moe's original swing is actually completely different than his true original swing.
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Відео

When Moe Norman was young, he swung like Scottie Scheffler
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Pictures and videos don't lie but people do. It is such a tragedy that the ignorant golf world believes that Moe Norman's "heart disease" swing was his "original" swing. Young Moe was as dynamic as the guys playing today.
The irrelevant Moe Norman grip debate
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Moe struck it pure no matter if he overlapped or split-handed the grip. Those who witnessed both grips said that his ball-striking was the same. The Amateur Golfer's Dilemma and my other books can be viewed here: deflame.com You can also go directly to Amazon and search for The Amateur Golfer's Dilemma.
A Moe Norman swing secret that has NEVER been revealed before
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The secret I am referring to is the true nature of Moe's vertical drop, a term coined by Paul Bertholy, which was not an "arm drop" but a very obvious body drop from extended into flexed knees - he is not the only one who body drops in the downswing, but his method of getting there was unique. The Amateur Golfer's Dilemma and my other books can be viewed here: deflame.com You can also go direct...
Justin Suh - amazing heel action through the ball
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Check out Justin Suh's heel action through the ball. The Amateur Golfer's Dilemma and my other books can be viewed here: deflame.com You can also go directly to Amazon and search for The Amateur Golfer's Dilemma.
The Asch Conformity Experiments: Golf group-think and your golf game
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I unknowingly conformed until 2019 - after standing back from the ball, my early extension disappeared and has never returned. You can do that today on the range if you like...or not. The Amateur Golfer's Dilemma and my other books can be viewed here: deflame.com You can also go directly to Amazon and search for The Amateur Golfer's Dilemma.
Nick Price - Backswing momentum starts downswing
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While the camera is tilted slightly it does not change what he did, it just makes the fall toward the target more dramatic looking. This is exactly what Jack Nicklaus did in his prime, only Nicklaus was more dramatic, especially in his younger days. The Amateur Golfer's Dilemma and my other books can be viewed here: deflame.com You can also go directly to Amazon and search for The Amateur Golfe...
Patrick Rodgers' golf swing - quiet right foot through impact
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And here is another example of professional heel action that is so different from amateurs who are up on their toes through impact. The Amateur Golfer's Dilemma and my other books can be viewed here: deflame.com You can also go directly to Amazon and search for The Amateur Golfer's Dilemma.
JT Poston's golf swing - incredible heel action
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Check out JT Poston's heel action through the ball. The Amateur Golfer's Dilemma and my other books can be viewed here: deflame.com You can also go directly to Amazon and search for The Amateur Golfer's Dilemma.
Danny Lee's golf swing - amazing heel and leg action
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Check out Danny Lee's unbelievable legwork and heel action through the ball. The Amateur Golfer's Dilemma and my other books can be viewed here: deflame.com You can also go directly to Amazon and search for The Amateur Golfer's Dilemma.
Dynamic rotational movement skills - tour pros have it but teaching pros and amateurs don’t
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Many of the comments in my videos reflect that golfers are confused by what I mean when I discuss the nature of dynamic rotational movement skills. This video explains it in more detail. The Amateur Golfer's Dilemma and my other books can be viewed here: deflame.com You can also go directly to Amazon and search for The Amateur Golfer's Dilemma.
Do backswing positions TRULY impact your golfing success? ABSOLUTELY NOT
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This is one of the biggest myths perpetuated by modern golf instruction AND it was recommended against as early as 1937, as you will see in this video. The Amateur Golfer's Dilemma and my other books can be viewed here: deflame.com You can also go directly to Amazon and search for The Amateur Golfer's Dilemma.
Laura Davies unique heel action through the ball
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Laura Davies has very unique leg action through the ball. She is minimally rotated at impact with straight legs and somewhat "jumping" backwards to land on her left heel/hip axis into the followthrough. The Amateur Golfer's Dilemma and my other books can be viewed here: deflame.com You can also go directly to Amazon and search for The Amateur Golfer's Dilemma.
Amazing heel action of Ben Kern - the only club pro to make the cut at the 2018 PGA Championship
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While I think it is very difficult to learn the dynamic heel action of tour-caliber golfers, it is absolutely possible to learn how to stay off the toes (forefeet) during the swing, which is nearly a universal problem for amateurs. The Amateur Golfer's Dilemma and my other books can be viewed here: deflame.com You can also go directly to Amazon and search for The Amateur Golfer's Dilemma.
Origin of the "flying elbow" myth AND why it is not a problem
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Since multiple PGA Tour winners had so-called "flying elbows," why is it considered a swing fault? For no good scientific reason...it is a purely made up notion. If you have adequate leg work in your golf swing, which need not be of a professional caliber, your backswing position can be uniquely yours and you should still be able to deliver a square club face at impact. The Amateur Golfer's Dil...
The secret of Byron Nelson’s dip revealed
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The secret of Byron Nelson’s dip revealed
Jack Nicklaus broke Ben Hogan’s made up swing rules and so can you, if you want
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Jack Nicklaus broke Ben Hogan’s made up swing rules and so can you, if you want
"Reaching" during the golf swing
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"Reaching" during the golf swing
A huge single-plane golf swing myth
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A huge single-plane golf swing myth
David Lee's final Gravity Golf book about the short game
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David Lee's final Gravity Golf book about the short game
Jimmy Bruen was the original Matthew Wolff
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Jimmy Bruen was the original Matthew Wolff
Why the swings of Miller Barber and Eamonn Darcy should put your golf mind at ease
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Why the swings of Miller Barber and Eamonn Darcy should put your golf mind at ease
Angel Cabrera's right heel through impact
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Angel Cabrera's right heel through impact
Scottie Scheffler falls backwards and lands on his heels
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Scottie Scheffler falls backwards and lands on his heels
The great heel action of Byron Nelson and Gene Littler
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The great heel action of Byron Nelson and Gene Littler
Mark Immelman explains how Teaching Pros screw up amateur golfers
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Mark Immelman explains how Teaching Pros screw up amateur golfers
Lateral Lunge Driver Drill - How to Do It
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Lateral Lunge Driver Drill - How to Do It
How close to the golf ball should you stand at address?
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How close to the golf ball should you stand at address?
How Ben Hogan's FIVE LESSONs book has screwed up generations of amateur golfers
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How Ben Hogan's FIVE LESSONs book has screwed up generations of amateur golfers
Elvis Presley, Fred Astaire, the Tin Man and your golf swing
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Elvis Presley, Fred Astaire, the Tin Man and your golf swing

КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @robsaxepga
    @robsaxepga 8 годин тому

    Can't move away from the ball if you're on the toes or balls. Nor can your body turn effectively. The point to be made is that keeping the weight moving toward the heels doesn't influence ball flight but allows for it. If you're concentrating on the heels and you're hitting the ball funny, check the hands and arms first before you mess up your pivot. Sorry, it is possible to do this. In your routine/process, if you tap the heels during your waggle and then start your swing by "slamming" the trail heel into the ground, the natural biometric response will be to "smash" the left heel down to start the downswing. It's a natural response you've set up in your feet. Foot rhythm if you will. Try it. Viktor Hovlind does that, very obviously.

  • @jamesandresen4927
    @jamesandresen4927 20 годин тому

    Totally agree with your focus on distance from ball at setup; I tried it and instantly rotated properly and in balance, no early extension, fixed in 5 minutes after 15 years of failed teachings - terrific. Question - Just wondering if by standing farther from the ball, would it likely cause the lie angle of your clubs to need to be redone?

  • @robsaxepga
    @robsaxepga 21 день тому

    Gene "the machine" littler had the same footwork

  • @robsaxepga
    @robsaxepga 21 день тому

    What most don't understand is that weight forward promotes a steeper swing above the address established plane. Having the weight favoring the heels helps the pivot work as it should.

  • @davidmcnamara3243
    @davidmcnamara3243 22 дні тому

    Extreme float loading. Bruin was a golf swing genius !

  • @BroncoYeller
    @BroncoYeller 23 дні тому

    Dave, are the Pro's back on their heels because they get in their flexion and rotation? Meaning is being on the heels necessary because they setup with arms hanging down? If that is true, then why is it still necessary to have weight on heels for a setup for impact address?

    • @theamateurgolfersdilemma72
      @theamateurgolfersdilemma72 23 дні тому

      Virtually every good player is on their heels as forward momentum toward the ball is death. But I cannot say one way or another regarding your questions.

    • @BroncoYeller
      @BroncoYeller 23 дні тому

      @@theamateurgolfersdilemma72 Dave, it might just be that regardless if you do the pro setup, or setup for impact, the arms are going to be 'out there' at impact. The hanging arm setup has to move back to allow the arms to extend. The setup for impact player just has to maintain the setup radius. And because the weight of the arms swinging out in space pulls on the body, there has to be what David Lee calls a counterfall to maintain equilibrium. I think that might be it. By the way, enjoyed your book very much. Gold mine!

  • @marktheblake
    @marktheblake 29 днів тому

    Brilliant. Watched many of your videos in 2 days. I have a question for you, if a Golfer lacks rotation skill (me) and doesnt early extend (me) and has a claasic arms straight down at address (me) what symptons might we see? Could be Heel strikes and hands even lower at impact?

    • @theamateurgolfersdilemma72
      @theamateurgolfersdilemma72 26 днів тому

      I cannot say - there are lots of joint movement variables. And we need to find what works for us. Very general but accurate. EA Tischler is the best teach pro in my opinion.

  • @thomasfraser9072
    @thomasfraser9072 Місяць тому

    As a lifetime amateur I first place my upper arms across my chest and then bend my body from my hip joints as I lay my club head perpendicular to the ball. After having aimed to start my ‘upswing’ I simply use the fast twitch muscles surrounding the trail side of my hip and for my downswing I use the fast twitch muscles surrounding my lead hip to pull it and my entire lead side out of the way to complete my downswing . Another words as I swing my club my only thoughts are twitch right hip/ twitch left hip and the magic behind my swing has last me a lifetime of fun and satisfaction. Of course my putting sucks. 😂 🥂😊👍Cheers

  • @briandavidedwards5545
    @briandavidedwards5545 Місяць тому

    I`m glad I caught this Video.I always thought Moes drop meant the arms thus creating an in to out swing with a flatter plane. I kept my head still and and just dropped the arms and it was a shocking mess.I will revisit the idea and see how it goes

  • @robertbrandywine
    @robertbrandywine Місяць тому

    "Like me" sounds correct. Like can be a preposition, which takes the objective case (me) or a conjunction "like I do".

  • @dth3357
    @dth3357 Місяць тому

    Coming from a 15+ handicapper

  • @COACHONTHECOURS
    @COACHONTHECOURS Місяць тому

    I teach the exact same way you describe it. My clients all say the same thing. It feels weird. But, keeping your arms away from your body clears the hips like said because we can’t do what the PROS do. Based on their body type. I teach to the individuals body type. Most amateurs just wanna make contact. I find this is the simplest way to create their desired outcome. It’s about the client’s abilities.

    • @theamateurgolfersdilemma72
      @theamateurgolfersdilemma72 Місяць тому

      I think it is the best way to start as it is the least complicated and can lead one to find their true move. I am able to stand with my feet much more narrow now, but still keep my arms/hands away from my body. Your clients are lucky to have you.

  • @flyingfree387
    @flyingfree387 2 місяці тому

    Hi all, the bright side to all this, is this, the source creator honors your choices. Meaning, if you don't wish to participate with the miscreation's of the borg, NPC's or hive mind collective, you do not have to. This life experience is way more amazing than we have been led to believe. Our consciousness level does create the experience we will have, thus the reason for all the false or confusing teachings in all domains. Those beings creating the confusion based teachings in all domains, gain power over others via this method, a form of entrapment, though on a grander scale. peace love light and may universal truth be your friend

  • @michaeldodd6864
    @michaeldodd6864 2 місяці тому

    If Hogan had not served in the war at a young age he may be up with Tiger and Jack in the major race. He was a genius!

  • @moboiler81
    @moboiler81 2 місяці тому

    Barber looks like Matthew Wolff

  • @dave_gillan
    @dave_gillan 2 місяці тому

    More 'click bait'!!!

  • @sepetisionelatu5539
    @sepetisionelatu5539 2 місяці тому

    Be careful, the flying elbow polices are out there like the cupping of the lead wrist as they are demons lol. They are both good to use just depends on the individual because the ones that say they are both bad are hooking/slicing the ball with whatever they consider proper right now so who are they to judge 🤣🤣 fly away elbows and if you still say it's bad go ask the GOAT, Jack Nicklaus his opinion.

  • @mtsdivine
    @mtsdivine 2 місяці тому

    You are 100% correct. Very few people have the postural balance and hip internal rotation to play golf like Hogan. Most amateurs would be better off setting up with the club on the shoulder plane like Moe Norman.

    • @theamateurgolfersdilemma72
      @theamateurgolfersdilemma72 2 місяці тому

      You clearly think for yourself, so many of the other comments are from Hogan cultists. Check out EA Tischler - he is the best way to go. Extremely scientific and an exceptional teacher.

  • @bobnodzo535
    @bobnodzo535 2 місяці тому

    So basically take a Moe Norman single plane approach which would benefit most amateurs who shoot in the 90’s

  • @BroncoYeller
    @BroncoYeller 2 місяці тому

    Dave I've been absorbing your book, which is fantastic. I've been working on trying to get on the heels more. I think I've done alot of damage to my lead knee and back by rotating on the forefoot of my lead foot my whole golf career. Today when I played I made good progress on staying on the heels. I almost felt like a hammer thrower. I have a question. In trying to find the balance, and playing the ball further away from me, I experimented with trying to keep good posture in my thoracic portion of my back. I was trying to not hunch over as I setup to the shot. I found that by doing that I was able to comfortably keep on the heels throughout the swing. Your thoughts? P.S. Felt zero back pain and stiffness both during and after the round. I can't recall the last time that happened.

  • @rodrandle420
    @rodrandle420 2 місяці тому

    I struggled with poor ball striking most of my life. I finally read Hogan's book. My ball striking improved exponentially. Best thing that ever happened to my golf game. I would highly recommend it for learning the correct fundamentals of the golf swing. This dude is selling a compensation for poor fundamentals, Ignore it.

  • @terrencejohnson3277
    @terrencejohnson3277 2 місяці тому

    Never disrespect Hogan. Unless you’ve won 65 PGA tournaments.

  • @dougkercher3364
    @dougkercher3364 2 місяці тому

    That's why you are an amateur.

  • @markflolid5930
    @markflolid5930 2 місяці тому

    What’s your point?

  • @jamestaylor2976
    @jamestaylor2976 2 місяці тому

    Wondered about balance. Is it the result of a good swing or the cause of a good swing? I remember some golf analysts saying 'good balance. The notion seemed to be that the balance was a result of a proper motion.

  • @waqarghulam3548
    @waqarghulam3548 3 місяці тому

    Left knee outside of left foot is very important and very hard to do

  • @lesoleebayful
    @lesoleebayful 3 місяці тому

    Do you give online lessons?

    • @theamateurgolfersdilemma72
      @theamateurgolfersdilemma72 3 місяці тому

      I do not ... EA Tischler is the best teacher in my opinion. Very scientific. He is at Olympia Fields south of Chicago

  • @NotMe-yr6zs
    @NotMe-yr6zs 3 місяці тому

    You correctly identify early extension as primarily a setup issue, but your solutions and assumptions about innate ability are flawed. Overcoming early extension doesn't hinge on inherent talent; almost anyone can learn the necessary adjustments. By setting up with the armpits over the balls of your feet, arms hanging naturally, and a slight pelvic tuck, and ensuring the right shoulder moves directly back during the backswing, you can correct this issue. Your video still shows your pelvis moving toward the ball; try the adjustments I suggest in your next practice for immediate improvement.

  • @dd938gje
    @dd938gje 3 місяці тому

    How many championships have you won ??

  • @chrisbrimhall1613
    @chrisbrimhall1613 3 місяці тому

    Like Trevino said…the golf swing starts at 6” prior to contact and ends 6” after impact…the rest is just motion

  • @markb.265
    @markb.265 4 місяці тому

    Ben Hogan forgot more about the golf swing than you will ever, ever know. The notion that 'some guy' even thinks about questioning him is laughable.

  • @ayotollaofrockandrolla7219
    @ayotollaofrockandrolla7219 4 місяці тому

    I would even throw Calvin Peete in the mix. He had a modified style Bruen movement as well

  • @markcollins8881
    @markcollins8881 4 місяці тому

    Excellent analysis and explanation! ... I'm an amateur who struggled for years to find a repeatable swing and decent power. As is often the case, I discovered something thru happenstance in a "necessity is the mother of invention" kind of way. I was faced with a severe downhill lie on a raised ridge (basically, an inverse ditch), and I hit a 5-iron 210 yards, which is 40 yards further than my normal 170 yard distance. I came off the downhill lie and swing in a walking forward motion. I realized how far I hit the ball and I remember looking back at the severe downhill lie looking for answers as to what just happened. It took me a few days of pondering, and I came to the conclusion that the severe downhill lie had forced me to transfer my lower body weight to my left side on the downswing. Then, I remembered the tip from Jack Nicklaus about "replant the left heel". I put 2 + 2 together, and decided to start my downswing by replanting my left heel. I made a conscious effort to replant my left heel before my backswing was complete, which created torque between my unfinished backswing and my newly-initiated downswing. The end result was that I finally created coiled torque, finally transferred my weight to my left side properly, and finally found a repeatable swing thought: "Replant the left heel!". And, because I need to start that left heel replant so early in the swing (before the completion of my backswing), that swing thought became shortened to simply: "heel!". ... I added one other swing improvement, and that was to allow my shoulders, arms, and hands to fall naturally "into the slot" on the downswing, with no extraneous conscious force being used to propel them toward the target line/ball. Once I did this, I realized that I had tapped into something special, as I had removed all conscious effort to "hit the ball", and simply allowed my shoulders, arms, and hands to "whip thru the hitting zone" naturally. ... Between replanting my left heel early, and allowing my shoulders, arms, and hands to fall naturally, I've improved my swing a great deal, I'm on balance, and I'm hitting the ball with greater consistency. ... Listen to Jack Nicklaus and Mr. Seaman, and "replant the left heel!", my friends. ... If anyone ever asks me how to play golf, I tell them to "Play from the ground, up.". I hit the ball with my feet. Seriously.

  • @Sueezedtight
    @Sueezedtight 4 місяці тому

    Moe's swing has been analyzed and is perfectly emulated by Todd "Little Moe" Graves. I learned it 3 years ago and it saved my back while maintaining my 6 hdcp (6300 yd. course). The SPS (Single Plane Swing). Best golf money I ever spent. No pain, no ice and no pills, just long (235 driver carry at 70 y.o.) straight shots down the center of the fairway. :)

    • @theamateurgolfersdilemma72
      @theamateurgolfersdilemma72 4 місяці тому

      LOL ... Graves can't even do Moe's 70 year old heart disease swing like Moe.

    • @Sueezedtight
      @Sueezedtight 4 місяці тому

      @@theamateurgolfersdilemma72 Not according to bio-metric analysis, which are facts and not just opinion...

    • @theamateurgolfersdilemma72
      @theamateurgolfersdilemma72 4 місяці тому

      @@Sueezedtight facts come with evidence . Cite the biometric evidence if available..

    • @Sueezedtight
      @Sueezedtight 4 місяці тому

      @@theamateurgolfersdilemma72 Todd Graves covers it in several related videos , DYOR. Including a recent Golf Digest article.

    • @theamateurgolfersdilemma72
      @theamateurgolfersdilemma72 4 місяці тому

      @@Sueezedtight Not even close...Graves is in the dark and so are you.

  • @ChiefCowpie
    @ChiefCowpie 4 місяці тому

    Juju swing, Brad Peterson

  • @mikebirnie6381
    @mikebirnie6381 4 місяці тому

    For every action there's and equal and opposite reaction...now it makes sence...I stand up too early from flexed knees...I will try this and report back

  • @edge21str
    @edge21str 4 місяці тому

    It's interesting you would focus on the proximity to the ball. I'm mostly self taught and the moment when I started standing closer to the ball with irons is when my swing improved the most.

  • @DaGolfViking
    @DaGolfViking 4 місяці тому

    I love this video, and it makes so much sense. I'm really gonna try and implement it. That being said, I just tried it in the yard with some plastic balls, and it seemed to make the slice worse. I know it will take some getting use to, but any tips that may help that? Thanks.

  • @shofey
    @shofey 4 місяці тому

    Follow Sam Snead. You'll be better off. 84 Tour Victories. Snead wrote a book detailing exactly how to swing like him.

  • @TigerTigerWoodsYall
    @TigerTigerWoodsYall 4 місяці тому

    I knew this was a problem when I looked at video of my swing. Standing up on both toes at impact. It's inconsistent and a ugly swing

  • @user-zo5zj5rw3j
    @user-zo5zj5rw3j 4 місяці тому

    I've really enjoyed you videos. Maybe you can help me out? I'm seriously thinking about going for a set of single lengths. I'm curious to see how the gapping between irons is working for you. Plus are the P, 9 and 8 "ballooning" while the 4 and 5 seem to be flighted down? These seem to be the issues other youtubers have pointed out. Your view would be greatly appreciated . Thanks

    • @theamateurgolfersdilemma72
      @theamateurgolfersdilemma72 4 місяці тому

      Thanks, glad they are useful. I have not had that experience with flighting issues, so I cannot say, I bought mine from 1-iron as I mentioned I think in the video. You get a month try them out - that is the only way to know. I think you only have to pay the return shipping charges.

    • @user-zo5zj5rw3j
      @user-zo5zj5rw3j 4 місяці тому

      @@theamateurgolfersdilemma72 Thanks for the reply... going to take the plunge today

  • @IanPunter
    @IanPunter 4 місяці тому

    This guy is just another know it all bozo. Ignore him.

  • @jackflash8756
    @jackflash8756 4 місяці тому

    How can rotating the pelvis/hips better, which rotate on a much flatter plane than the individual torso ,shoulders , arm planes, have such an impact on club swing plane from top of the backswing to impact? One things for sure , you probably need to rotate your pelvis better to create greater degree of freedom to swing your arms/club. There are some short powerful muscles in the pelvis that when contracted can partially assist pelvic rotation from top of backswing to lead arm horizontal in the downswing (lateral pelvic rotator muscles). Then from downswing lead arm parallel to impact, it's probably the leg muscles (ie. glutes) doing the work to rotate the pelvis even more.

  • @bryanjohnson2466
    @bryanjohnson2466 4 місяці тому

    Some dude called Bobby Jones used to have same length clubs.

  • @barryread3672
    @barryread3672 4 місяці тому

    Key sounds like Kai or k with a long I. My Mom’s maiden name is the same

  • @marktheblake
    @marktheblake 5 місяців тому

    Miller Barber appear to swing like Matt Wolff, and Eamonn Darcy "jumping" is using parametric acceleration in spades.

  • @nbargolf
    @nbargolf 5 місяців тому

    Your really judging one of the greatest golfers of all times that's a laugh

    • @theamateurgolfersdilemma72
      @theamateurgolfersdilemma72 5 місяців тому

      You mind is so weak that you lack the ability to understand that no judgement is going on.

  • @markh9961
    @markh9961 5 місяців тому

    Your hip doesn't move, torso moves around your pelvis.

  • @dsheehan7134
    @dsheehan7134 5 місяців тому

    Clown like foolish commentary. You pick a handful of players out of thousands that had unorthodox swings.

  • @15205golfer
    @15205golfer 5 місяців тому

    That's how these instructors make their money.