NOTE: I should have had the legitimacy markers for all factions start at 2 on my player board. It ended up being a wash (except for the capitalist marker) as the Denial of Free Speech card that I used on my first play subtracts one legitimacy. If my legitimacy was truly at 1 I would NOT be able to play a card that subtracts from legitimacy, which I am noting for the future.
At 1:23:55 the CCA should have used the "when losing" card and the WCA & MCA between them should have used the "when winning" card. You can't just assume they won't spend influence, as either side could still have won. Similarly at 1:25:00. The automas will still draw cards and potentially spend influence, as they do not know how much the other side might spend, and both sides have the potential to win.
At 48:14 when revealing new companies, the CCA is meant to discard all its previous companies first and the MCA will discard any companies for industries in which they already have a company built.
At 1:06:30 the WCA buys Education from the CCA at 8V each. However, while Policy 5C is in effect (which it starts the game at) the CCA & MCA are meant to increase their price for Education to 10V. This means that, in fact, the WCA should have bought Luxury here instead, as it is cheaper than education.
At 25:10 when the CCA takes a loan, the money should go to Capital, not to Revenue, so at this point all their remaining money should be in Capital. They don't have to pay tax on loans!
At 50:40 when the WCA buys health from you at half price, it's the *total* price which should be halved so they should pay you 10V. You don't halve and round up each 1 (for a total of 12V).
Good call. When I am playing for myself I go for the “less efficient” play so that I can limit the money to the capitalist, but the Automa calls for the least expensive play.
Do you realise there's a jump at 3:50? We miss the MCA's first turn and half the CCA's first turn. Also at 15:49 there's another jump-it looks like we've skipped at least 1 turn of each player (maybe 2?), jumping from the start of one of your turns straight to one of your later turns.
Technically at 33:50 during the first election the MCA and CCA both have influence, so between them they should have drawn a card according to the "when losing" card to see if they choose to spend an influence, even if you choose to spend one of yours (as they wouldn't know that).
At 1:17:05 the CCA pays off their loan after paying wages, using Revenue. This is incorrect on 2 counts. Firstly, the Capitalists repay loans from Capital, not from revenue. Secondly, The CCA will pay off it's loan at the beginning of its turn when it has at least 100V in Capital. So it will not do it in the middle of the Production phase. Effectively by doing this, you helped them dodge taxes :-)
Good call. This is only Phase 1 and 2, but Part 2 with phases 3-5 will post tomorrow as well. FYI I just recorded 2 player Advanced Automa and I am looking to get that out next week.
At 1:09:25 the CCA sells to the foreign market and may sell *up to* 4 food for 15V each first. You rejected this because they have fewer than 4, but this was incorrect; they should have sold their 3 food for 45V first.
After the jump at 15:49, it looks as if you must have used your card to carry out one of your event actions twice. This would have meant you provided 100V in total! Even if this was correct (I can't tell, because of the jump), the keyword is *provide* meaning that the money should have gone to the State Benefits boxes, not given directly to the automas... and as such you should have earned 3VP when the 3 automas claimed them.
That is correct, the 2 event card was one of my early plays. I completely botched state benefits along the way. In trying to do the checks as well as I could, I missed out on using the state benefits area. Practically, the only impact was hurting my victory point total since the Automa will automatically will take the points, but since I missed it consistently I’ll leave a note in the description to make sure I’m not confusing anyone.
It is fascinating and adds a completely different dynamic to the game. I think when I am playing with other people and teaching them I’ll play the state unless someone else REALLY wants to play it.
You also ran the vote at 1:25:55 wrong. Based on the initial draw, the WCA was losing, so you should have checked the "When losing" card, not the "when winning" card. The instruction there is to "Spend necessary, then Draw". As the proposer, they need to spend 1 to win. This would leave them with just 1 more influence, and they will only ever draw at most as many cards as they have influence, so after spending the first one the WCA should just draw 1 to see whether it spends its 2nd influence. On the other hand, again based on the initial draw, the MCA & CCA were winning, so they look at the "When Winning" card. The instruction there is to "Draw X, where X is the difference +1". Based on the initial draw, the WCA needed 1 to win and had 2 influence, so the difference is 1. This means that the MCA & CCA between them should draw 2 to see how much they spend, split between them. Again, done properly, either side had the potential to win, depending how much influence they choose to commit, just like with real opponents. At 1:27:25 you say that it's a "bit of a challenge" to work out how the automas spend influence, but the different situations are actually fully defined between the rules and the cards, there's no situation where you would need to guess. You just need to check the situation *from the initial draw* and then each side of the vote draws cards *only based on that, without knowing how much influence the other side will spend*
Thanks for all of the helpful feedback. I’ll keep these things in mind in the future, take things slower off camera, and do lots of rulebook referencing to cut down on some of these errors. I appreciate how active you are in helping Hegemony players improve their game.
No problem, I fully realise it's much easier for me sitting here spotting errors than it would be to be running the game on camera keeping track of everything :-)
At 54:25 you discuss a human player being able to take a loan in order to build a company. This is incorrect. No player can voluntarily take a loan in order to do an action they are choosing to do. Loans may (and must) be taken when paying taxes, wages, interest, covering needs and for actions played by *other* players, but never for your *own* actions. So your play for the CCA is correct here, but it is not special to the CCA, it's in the normal game rules.
Yes, I see that Vangelis addressed this on BGG. Taking from capital when revenue was already something I was doing, but it is good to know it works the other way with Lobbying as well. Thanks for the heads up!
your first card 🃏 probalby you cannot pay. you cannot go down for Legitimacy you were on 1 so you cannot play it. I'm not sure for 100% but sure around 90%🤪🤪🤪
Yes. This is a card related question that isn’t in the main text, but near the back of the rulebook. I’ll know that I have to do this differently in the future. :) …. That being said, I made the mistake of putting the legitimacy markers at 1 instead of 2 as the starting point, so my play would have been legal based on the correct setup, and I was just short a legitimacy from the Capitalists. I appreciate the heads up on these things, so I can tweak my play as I go.
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NOTE: I should have had the legitimacy markers for all factions start at 2 on my player board. It ended up being a wash (except for the capitalist marker) as the Denial of Free Speech card that I used on my first play subtracts one legitimacy. If my legitimacy was truly at 1 I would NOT be able to play a card that subtracts from legitimacy, which I am noting for the future.
At 1:23:55 the CCA should have used the "when losing" card and the WCA & MCA between them should have used the "when winning" card. You can't just assume they won't spend influence, as either side could still have won.
Similarly at 1:25:00. The automas will still draw cards and potentially spend influence, as they do not know how much the other side might spend, and both sides have the potential to win.
At 48:14 when revealing new companies, the CCA is meant to discard all its previous companies first and the MCA will discard any companies for industries in which they already have a company built.
I’ll make sure to do this in the future.
At 1:06:30 the WCA buys Education from the CCA at 8V each. However, while Policy 5C is in effect (which it starts the game at) the CCA & MCA are meant to increase their price for Education to 10V.
This means that, in fact, the WCA should have bought Luxury here instead, as it is cheaper than education.
At 25:10 when the CCA takes a loan, the money should go to Capital, not to Revenue, so at this point all their remaining money should be in Capital. They don't have to pay tax on loans!
During Cover Needs starting at 27:30 both MCA and WCA pay the CCA 8V per food, but the price should be 12V per food.
This mistake was repeated in round 2 as well. I think you must be looking at the storage capacity and mistaking it for the price!
Now that I've done this twice, I'm curious to see this video...time for popcorn
At 1:19:10 during production the WCA should have received 1 influence from its trade union.
I see that you spotted this later, after the elections.
At 50:40 when the WCA buys health from you at half price, it's the *total* price which should be halved so they should pay you 10V. You don't halve and round up each 1 (for a total of 12V).
At 1:08:50 when the MCA propsed a bill, you directly changed the Policy marker instead of placing their bill marker there, so there was no vote!
I’m shaking my head at myself for this one.
At 18:10 the WCA bought 3 Luxury at 9V each, but they should have bought the first 2 at only 8V from the CCA
Good call. When I am playing for myself I go for the “less efficient” play so that I can limit the money to the capitalist, but the Automa calls for the least expensive play.
Do you realise there's a jump at 3:50? We miss the MCA's first turn and half the CCA's first turn.
Also at 15:49 there's another jump-it looks like we've skipped at least 1 turn of each player (maybe 2?), jumping from the start of one of your turns straight to one of your later turns.
No I didn’t. :/. Thanks for the heads up. I’m guessing I made some mistakes editing.
Technically at 33:50 during the first election the MCA and CCA both have influence, so between them they should have drawn a card according to the "when losing" card to see if they choose to spend an influence, even if you choose to spend one of yours (as they wouldn't know that).
Good point.
At 1:17:05 the CCA pays off their loan after paying wages, using Revenue. This is incorrect on 2 counts. Firstly, the Capitalists repay loans from Capital, not from revenue.
Secondly, The CCA will pay off it's loan at the beginning of its turn when it has at least 100V in Capital. So it will not do it in the middle of the Production phase. Effectively by doing this, you helped them dodge taxes :-)
Oh boy here it is! I will have to watch this tomorrow.
Good call. This is only Phase 1 and 2, but Part 2 with phases 3-5 will post tomorrow as well. FYI I just recorded 2 player Advanced Automa and I am looking to get that out next week.
Actually Advanced Automa is there now.
@@LakesideGamers5fantastic!
At 50:10, each class is meant to draw it's own immigration card, you don't use the same card for both classes.
At 1:09:25 the CCA sells to the foreign market and may sell *up to* 4 food for 15V each first. You rejected this because they have fewer than 4, but this was incorrect; they should have sold their 3 food for 45V first.
The WCA started the game with too much money, they are meant to start with 30V, not 40V.
At 7:30 you missed gaining a legitimacy from the WCA's card. This might not be the only one of these you missed.
At 56:55 you do an event action. The event says that you must provide at least 1 of each of luxury and education, but you only provided education.
After the jump at 15:49, it looks as if you must have used your card to carry out one of your event actions twice. This would have meant you provided 100V in total! Even if this was correct (I can't tell, because of the jump), the keyword is *provide* meaning that the money should have gone to the State Benefits boxes, not given directly to the automas... and as such you should have earned 3VP when the 3 automas claimed them.
That is correct, the 2 event card was one of my early plays. I completely botched state benefits along the way. In trying to do the checks as well as I could, I missed out on using the state benefits area. Practically, the only impact was hurting my victory point total since the Automa will automatically will take the points, but since I missed it consistently I’ll leave a note in the description to make sure I’m not confusing anyone.
State is my favorite for now
It is fascinating and adds a completely different dynamic to the game. I think when I am playing with other people and teaching them I’ll play the state unless someone else REALLY wants to play it.
I play the State when teaching the game… so much fun
Great video 📸
Thank you!
@@LakesideGamers5 No doubt 💯
I just noticed the CC did not get a 5th turn in the 2nd round.
Bit jumpy at times on the video when deciding what to do
You also ran the vote at 1:25:55 wrong. Based on the initial draw, the WCA was losing, so you should have checked the "When losing" card, not the "when winning" card. The instruction there is to "Spend necessary, then Draw". As the proposer, they need to spend 1 to win. This would leave them with just 1 more influence, and they will only ever draw at most as many cards as they have influence, so after spending the first one the WCA should just draw 1 to see whether it spends its 2nd influence.
On the other hand, again based on the initial draw, the MCA & CCA were winning, so they look at the "When Winning" card. The instruction there is to "Draw X, where X is the difference +1". Based on the initial draw, the WCA needed 1 to win and had 2 influence, so the difference is 1. This means that the MCA & CCA between them should draw 2 to see how much they spend, split between them.
Again, done properly, either side had the potential to win, depending how much influence they choose to commit, just like with real opponents.
At 1:27:25 you say that it's a "bit of a challenge" to work out how the automas spend influence, but the different situations are actually fully defined between the rules and the cards, there's no situation where you would need to guess. You just need to check the situation *from the initial draw* and then each side of the vote draws cards *only based on that, without knowing how much influence the other side will spend*
Thanks for all of the helpful feedback. I’ll keep these things in mind in the future, take things slower off camera, and do lots of rulebook referencing to cut down on some of these errors. I appreciate how active you are in helping Hegemony players improve their game.
No problem, I fully realise it's much easier for me sitting here spotting errors than it would be to be running the game on camera keeping track of everything :-)
At 54:25 you discuss a human player being able to take a loan in order to build a company. This is incorrect. No player can voluntarily take a loan in order to do an action they are choosing to do. Loans may (and must) be taken when paying taxes, wages, interest, covering needs and for actions played by *other* players, but never for your *own* actions.
So your play for the CCA is correct here, but it is not special to the CCA, it's in the normal game rules.
This is a helpful clarification. I’ll note that in the description. Thanks!
if no money 💰 in Capital they use Revenue money 💰 and otherwise
Yes, I see that Vangelis addressed this on BGG. Taking from capital when revenue was already something I was doing, but it is good to know it works the other way with Lobbying as well. Thanks for the heads up!
your first card 🃏 probalby you cannot pay. you cannot go down for Legitimacy you were on 1 so you cannot play it. I'm not sure for 100% but sure around 90%🤪🤪🤪
Yes. This is a card related question that isn’t in the main text, but near the back of the rulebook. I’ll know that I have to do this differently in the future. :) …. That being said, I made the mistake of putting the legitimacy markers at 1 instead of 2 as the starting point, so my play would have been legal based on the correct setup, and I was just short a legitimacy from the Capitalists. I appreciate the heads up on these things, so I can tweak my play as I go.