Thank you, Dillon, for coming on my channel!! 🤔🤔 If you had one argument to convince Dillon that the Catholic Faith was the one true one, what would you tell him?
If baptism is not an essential doctrine that is saying that Jesus' command and great commission is not essential. If Protestants can't agree on the meaning, mode, or type of baptism then there is a massive problem. Moving it to the "non-essential" list of items does not solve the problem at all, and undermines what God says.
Dillon replied to one of comments on his video that many famous Church fathers disagree with Catholic beliefs. I wonder if he realizes that the disagreements he is seeing is actually so minute compared to the great majority of Church fathers who believes the Catholic church is the one true Church of Jesus Christ.
I would say that the only topic that makes you separate from the Catholic church is the disobedience. Same thing happened in Protestant if you don’t agree you make your own denomination and that’s because disobedience.
Can't lie, my wife and I had a good laugh at the Thumbnail! "Honey, are we going to become Catholic?" Thank you for having me on Cameron. Had a great time!
Glad you got a good laugh out of it!! That's what I was hoping for!! Thanks for coming on! I'd love to touch base again in a month or so and follow up again! Christ's peace, brother.
I really enjoyed how the both of you interacted with each other. One thing I found interesting is that I assume you would accept the God in three persons (not modes or expressions), which isn't specifically stated in the Bible. The concept is there, but it's not specifically written that way. Moreover, Jesus Christ as a divine person with a fully human nature and fully divine nature in hypostatic union is not specifically stated that way, but the concept is there. The pope is not not specifically stated that way, but the concept is there (Isaiah 22:22). You accept the not specifically stated for the first two but don't apply the same standard for the papacy. I find that interesting epistemologically. Thanks again to the both of you! It was great and you are both so humble!
It was fun to see you both discussing together. I was a Protestant Christian for a very long time and now Catholic. It’s been such a privilege to be in full union to Christ’s church and receive the graces of God through confirmation, confession and the Eucharist. Have you read brant Pitre’s books- Jesus and the Jewish roots of the Eucharist/jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary? (There are SO many amazing books, resources and podcasts out there but these two books are amazing to start out:)
Please check out Dr. Brant Pitre book Jesus and Jewish roots of the Eucharist. Catholics didn't randomly try out a bunch of different things and arrive at the Liturgy. It developed as a continuation of our Jewish heritage which is the heritage of Jesus, Apostles and the early disciples.
Brant Pitre covers the basis of the Liturgy in, Jesus and the Jewish roots of the Eucharist. It wasn't a random process of trying out different things.
Oh man…I distinctly remember when I first started investigating like this and dialoguing with Catholics that there came a point when I really wanted it to be true but I was also afraid that it was true. Why? Because while I had spent my Christian life up to that point condemning the idea of one person (the Pope)…an imperfect man…having the final say on faith and morals…I began to realize that I had always placed MYSELF in that role! I had the final say for myself when it came to what I believed was true. I had the final say for myself when it came to whether or not a church I attended or joined was teaching what I believed was biblically sound doctrine. I had the final say on what I believed was a sin or what was not. I had the final say on all matters of faith and morals for myself! And yet…I readily admitted that I was not perfect either! That had always been my mode of operation, so giving that up was terrifying.
The pope is lile a referee. Not a king...he is infallible in autjprity, nlt infallible im character...those are two differemt things.. Jesus is divine..the pope is a human being given authority
I have enjoyed watching Dillon appear on other channels over the last few days. His attitude towards new ideas is so encouraging. He is confident in his beliefs yet absolutely willing to walk down this road of discovery. As a Protestant exploring Catholicism myself, this is encouraging. Thank you both!
The point made about a lack of maturity has a great deal of truth to it. When I speak with Protestants, it often doesn't seem like they fully grasp the issues I raise.
This was a wonderful conversation between a Catholic and a Protestant. I think he needs to be helped understanding some bible passages that talk about communion of saints, Peter as the pope, and so on. I do see him being opened to learning about all these things. He just needs some guidance.
As a conservative Catholic everything I hear from this Protestant is HIS OWN opinion- not Christ’s teaching. What he thinks the church should look like… that he thinks everything should come from the Bible when the Bible never states that. That we don’t want to the church to look like a church… I could go on. Nothing but arrogant, opinionated, man made , non apostolic, theology.
@@TheresaCronin-kc6wz he was totally psychotic, and operated at the service of the interests of the German princes that wanted to favor the 'reformation' in order to steal the Church properties...
As an old Catholic lady, it does my heart good to see two young men dialogue in this fashion! Pray for my kids, who have strayed from the Church… I pray incessantly to St Monica…❤️
Satan was so cunning that he tried to use the Bible against the Catholic Church where it came from. God responded by dividing Protestantism into more than 50,000 denominations much like what he did to Babylon while the Catholic Church endured, grew and multiplied in the 4 corners of the world just as he promised that the gates of Hell won’t prevail against his church.
@@Spuckley. Dude, seriously? If you don't see that the Protestant movement is divided into thousands of denominations with contradicting teachings, all due to it's own teaching of "Sola Scriptura", you are seriously out of touch.
@@Spuckley. That’s not what I or the OP claimed. Our point is that the doctrine of *Sola Scriptura* has led to divisions within the Protestant movement, resulting in thousands of denominations with often contradictory teachings. If you believe in *Sola Scriptura*, the burden of proof is on you to show where this principle is explicitly taught in Scripture. After all, a doctrine claiming the Bible alone is authoritative should itself be clearly found in the Bible, right? By the way, in the first few centuries of Christianity, there wasn’t a complete New Testament canon. Early Christians relied on oral tradition, some of which were later written down and compiled into the Bible by the Catholic Church. The canon wasn’t finalized until the late 4th century, and even then, it wasn’t widely available for centuries because copies were handwritten. Most importantly, Jesus didn’t leave us with a book; He left us with a Church (Matthew 16:18). The Church came first, guided by the Holy Spirit, and it was through this Church that Scripture itself was preserved and proclaimed. Without the Church, there would be no Bible to appeal to in the first place.
@Lone-Lee 2 Peter 1:16-2:2: The Bible is described as the only source of certain truth. Proverbs 30:5: States that every word of God is true. James 1:18: States that God gave birth to humans through the word of truth. John 17:17-26: States that the word of God is truth. John 8:32: Jesus says that the truth will set people free. Ephesians 4:25: States that God wants his followers to be people of truth. Psalm 145:18: States that the Lord is close to those who call on him in truth. Proverbs 23:23: States that people should buy truth and not sell it. Ephesians 6:10-17: Presents the "belt of truth" as the first piece of spiritual armor. It never says I'm scriptures that things that aren't in bible concerning the topic of Jesus Christ/God can be true. The Greek word for "church" is ekklesia, which is a combination of the words kaleo (to call) and the prefix ek (out). It literally translates to "the called out ones" or "an assembly". In the Classical period, ekklesia was used to refer to an official assembly of citizens. In the New Testament, it was used to describe the local church. The word conveys the idea that God intended for the church to be a powerful and influential force in the community, rather than a hidden group. The English word "church" is actually derived from the Greek word kuriakon, which means "dedicated to the Lord". Kuriakon was often used to refer to a holy place or temple. When the New Testament was translated from Greek to Latin, it became customary to use a derivative of kuriakon to translate ekklesia. This led to the English word "church" becoming associated with a sacred building. "Rock" as a metaphor: While Peter's name "Petros" means "rock" in Greek, the word used here ("petra") signifies a larger, more solid rock, suggesting the core truth of Jesus' divinity as the foundation of the church. Peter's confession: The "rock" is not just Peter, but the confession he made about Jesus being the Christ, which is the essential truth upon which the church is built. Universal application: This foundational truth applies to all believers, not just Peter, as everyone who accepts Jesus as the Messiah becomes part of the "rock" on which the church is built. "upon this rock I will build my church" is that Jesus is declaring the foundation of his church to be the confession of Peter that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God; essentially saying that the true foundation of the church is the belief in Jesus' identity as Messiah, not just Peter himself as a person.
It is very endearing that Dillon is not coming in thinking he will disprove the Catholic Church, but rather he humbly acknowledges that others have gone on this journey and ended up Catholic.
He will be Catholic if keeps looking into what first and second century Christians “hanged there hat on”. Will probably be a great Catholic apologist 😅
The problem with the statement "what first and second century Christians 'hanged their hats on'" is that as soon as Christ rose from the dead the divisions began. Also, the Catholic Church does not in anyway resemble the New Testament church.
In answer to the question “Why isn’t the Papacy mentioned in the Dideche, I would reference the U S Constitution as an example. Nowhere in the Constitution is the word “Governor” mentioned, yet all 50 States have one.
Even if you look at holy scripture, it doesnt flow as a piece of literature or as a well wrritten instruction manual. It needs an history to make it alive. Another word for that is "tradition" or a respected history.
There is no such thing as the "Protestant Church" there is a sect of Christianity called Protestantism, which consists of many Christian communities (technically speaking not even "churches"). There is only one Church (we all know which one that is).
The Catholic Church preserved, compiled, translated, chose the books to include and declared the Bible canon in 382 under Pope Damasus at the Council of Rome. Jesus didn’t leave us a Bible but He did leave us a church (Matthew 16:18).
Interestingly, the scriptures say that God breathed them out. That sounds like a gift from God ... 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
Exactly and that is why the Catholic church argues that the scripture isn't just what was written in the bible. But people find it hard to distinguish between the bible and scriptures. To better put it, while the bible is the word of God, it doesn't contain all of scripture.@@TheAegis1000
@@FootballFansFrenzy What's the written justification for ... "while the bible is the word of God, it doesn't contain all of scripture." ? What scripture exists outside of the Bible ?
@@TheAegis1000 You just said it, God breathed it out on them. It wasn't written and given to them. While some got written and compiled in the bible, others were written but isn't compiled in the bible and the rest were performed as traditions. Even the writers of the gospels admit that not everything that was said and done by Jesus is contained in their writings. Doesn't mean they weren't practiced.
TheAegis1000...in 2 Timothy3:16-17, if you divide the clauses up which are separated by the words...all...and....for....that...for..., an interesting conclusion is reached i.e. (all) Scripture is God breathed....(and) is profitable (for) teaching, etc....(that) the man might be complete, equipped...(for) every good work. So, the whole purpose of Scripture is to make the man complete and equipped for good works. Interesting don't you think? Note: Another interesting thought is, at the time of the writing of Timothy (I don't have he date in front of me) even though Paul's writings were cited as Scripture, most of what was thought to be Scripture referred to the OT. Add to that not all of what would later be called the NT (first named late 2nd C.), was not completed at the writing of Timothy. Just some interesting thoughts. God bless.
I love open, charitable conversations like this with our Protestant brothers and sisters. As a Catholic Christian we face a lot of anti-Catholic bigotry and I believe good conversations like this with honest, good natured Protestant brothers and sisters can be productive to where even if you can’t get where I am in theology and we can’t agree, we can better understand one another and be better Christians by acting in a charitable way that seeks to understand and maybe even, God willing, reunite one day. Because I truly do look at our Protestant brethren as separated brothers and sisters in Christ. They were once (at least their ancestors) members of our Church and family. Maybe one day they will be again and maybe further enrich our understanding of the Lord like I believe we can do with their understanding. Sorry if this rambled. All that to say I admire what you fellows are doing and appreciate the civil and charitable contributions you both made today. May God bless the both of you and your loved ones. And as it’s December as I’m writing this, Merry Christmas!
All his arguments against Catholicism are based on what he subjectively does or does not see in Scripture. This is the crux of the difference between Catholicism and protestantism. You have to attack the bedrock premise that the Bible is the only infallible rule of faith and then the rest should fall into place after that.
chasedudek3136...yes and even the Catholic church considers itself a servant of Scripture. The difference being that the power and authority Jesus gave to His Church means it is the only authority outside Scripture authorized to fully and correctly interpret Scripture. Much like our Supreme Court is the authoritative body given the authority to rightly interpret the Constitutution. Otherwise, it's every man's interpretation. Our country was founded in rebellion against authority. The Reformation had a lot to do with that if you stop and think about. The Reformers rebelled against the church and the state and the citizens rebelled against the Reformers. Denominations now rebel within the ranks which causes more rebellion and division and church splits. Why, because, we have been taught to reject authority in the church, in society and in the family while stubbornly claiming Scripture is our highest and only authority. Someone still has to interpret Scripture and that's where the real question of authority lies. God bless.
Reminds me of a jury I sat on. One juror wouldn't convict the defendant because she didn't SAY she committed the crime, even though all evidence pointed to her having committed the crime....all evidence points to Peter being the first pope.
Not exactly where that phrase regarding Rome and welcoming someone home came from. The concept sounds odd to Christians who are familiar with several Bible verses that warn about cheering people towards a worldly home. For instance ... Hebrews 13:14 says "For here we have no lasting city, but we seek the city that is to come." Can you share the origin (and maybe motivation) of the "welcome home" exhortation that we hear so frequently from Catholics?
@@mattnelms2522 "welcome to Rome" or "crossing the Tiber" have come to be the shorthand term for converting to Catholicism. A Catholic who converts to Protestantism, in particular Anglicanism, is referred to as "swimming the Thames" or "crossing the Thames".
As someone who went from cradle Catholic to Protestant and then back to Catholic, I can confidently say my faith has never been stronger. This conversation was excellent-insightful and respectful. Both sides presented valid points, and let’s be honest, no church is without flaws because no church is perfect. For me, the decision came down to craving a calmer, quieter style of worship, which I’ve rediscovered in the Catholic Church-something I didn’t fully appreciate when I was younger. Now, I truly adore Jesus in every sense of the word. Thank you both for such a meaningful discussion! 🙏🏻
@@peterzinya1 The OT temple was decorated with images and statues. The Ark of the Covenant was highly reveranced and had two statues of Cherubim placed atop of it. So exactly what is your point??
Catholic means universal so ok Jesus is the head of the catholic church, the Roman church and the Orthodox are not truly catholic since they have become tribal believing they are the only true church like some cults claim today.
@@PatriceFriant Tracing the lineage via historical records it would be quite easy to show the Catholic Faith (or what you call the Roman Catholic) is the original while it was the Orthodox which split from the original. Unlike ALL the protestant sects which began with theological herectical distancing; the Orthodox split has remained relatively a disagreement in goverance rather than theology. Interms of theology we have remained almost identical and in that regard can be said to be still the one faith.
Well done CR. I never thought I could sit through an 1 1/2 program and stay engaged. You answered all of Dillon’s misgivings about the Catholic Church. However I just don’t understand why he doesn’t see how Jesus appointed Peter first among the Apostles in the Bible. Or that the extra biblical quotes have merit. But you planted some seeds and hopefully Dillon’s heart will change his mind. You are obviously a gifted teacher with a beautiful mind and great computer files to back up your knowledge.
I would add that taking a look at the counsel of Jerusalem is also a good thing. The apostles get together and talk and debate and invoke the spirit. And then James speaks regarding the regional disciplines (rules) that he implements in his region (his seat of authority), this has to do mainly with gentiles not eating certain things to not offend their Jewish brothers and sisters. Which is mega relevant for that region. But notice that Peter speaks at the end and he makes the dogmatic statement that relates to the whole church, regarding circumcision and the relation to salvation.
As someone who was raised in the Catholic tradition but now worships within a Protestant community, I find myself wary of certain non-denominational congregations-particularly the larger, “mega” churches. Their emphasis often seems to rest on emotion and entertainment rather than substantive engagement with Scripture. My wife and I attended one such church for some time, but we walked away feeling that the pastor never moved beyond an introductory overview of biblical teaching. More than once, I found myself asking, “When will we actually reach ‘chapter one’ of God’s Word?” Ultimately, we decided to attend a Baptist church, which offered a more focused and systematic approach to Scripture. I truly appreciated the video you shared and wish there were more opportunities for thoughtful, respectful dialogue between Protestants and Catholics. Far too often, conversations devolve into unhelpful criticism from both sides. We would all benefit from extending one another a measure of grace, remembering that while our traditions differ, our shared faith can unite us. Genuine, open-hearted dialogue has the potential to enrich everyone involved, helping us grow in understanding and mutual respect.
That’s interesting you say about chapter “one”. The “Mass”, Refrences the Bible this way: The First Reading: It’s from the Old Testament The Second Reading: some Reading from the New Testament Then we do the Psalms Then the Third Reading: Something from the Gospels Then the Homily Then the sacrifice of the Mass “The breaking of bread”
“I don’t see the Pope holding councils anymore, Councils are not done anymore”. Meanwhile, the synod on synodality has been going on for the last three years and just concluded recently.
Why does the Protestant seem to be ok with a council of infallible people, but not one infallible person? If infallibility is possible with a council, it should certainly be possible with one person.
JESUS says keep Sabbath holy! POPE says keep Sunday holy! “The Bible says remember that thou keep the Sabbath day. The Catholic Church says, 'NO!'. By my divine power, I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week. And, lo, the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church." -Father Enright, American Sentinal, June 1893. 7th Day Sabbath = (Exo.20:8-11) 1st day Sunday = (Mark 7:7) The WORD teaches 7th day is holy! The WORLD teaches 1st day is holy! WHO DO 🫵 YOU OBEY????
Lol nice try bud. Christ himself said that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, and that he was Lord over the Sabbath as well. Following the Sabbath strictly was a mosaic commandment that Christ fulfilled and superceded, as he did the other mosaic laws. Jesus makes it clear that HE is the eternal rest for mankind, and those who submit to him and give themselves to his body will have eternal rest. The second Christ offered himself up as the final Passover lamb on the cross, he became the new Sabbath. Every day, not just Saturday, is the Sabbath for Christians who belong to the body of Christ since he gave spiritual eternal rest to all of mankind bound to him when he reconciled humanity to God the Father. Christians therefore now celebrate this eternal rest by celebrating Christ on the Lord’s Day, Sunday. So nice try seventh day Adventist, read your Bible bud.
@@bobizzle1605Yes, and Catholics can go to church and hear mass everyday if they want to. Sunday is an obligation although we can go hear anticipated mass on a Saturday.
Someone has to discuss with Dillon the story of Eliakim, the vicar of the ancient king who held the keys of the kingdom. What he shuts, none shall open. What he opens none shall shut. Eliakim is the type, Peter is the antitype.
God had always worked on a single Patriarchy. Abrahan, Moses, Elijah, the list goes on and on and is endless. Cameron did a great job opening Dillon's mind to Catholicism. I can't think of anyone who could have done a better job.
Dillon has the typical low argument against the church Jesus started; we just need the bible alone, we don't need a pope or leader because we have Jesus, etc. If he really studied church history and the early church fathers he would come to better understanding on the Catholic Church.
Father Chris Alar said in one of his videos that when people say they dont need the chuch or attack the church, a majority of St. Pauls letters in the new testament are directed towards the chuch
As a Catholic convert I believe that what many disgruntled Protestants are looking for in worship is what we Catholics and the Orthodox refer to as “the ancient liturgy.” As Catholics we call it “the Mass.” People are hungry for the Table of the Lord. 😊😊😊
Protestant service is more look like a concert mixed with prayers, not a worship at all. In the Bible, there is distinction between "prayer" and "worship". Because worship in the Bible was always connected with the altar and sacrifice, which is absent in Protestanism, while prayer is common practice that the Jews do everywhere, especially in synoagogue (not in Solomon Temple). Protestanism is the Church that embrace the worldly kind of entertainment, and 100% not the Church that Jesus established.
As a Greek orthodox i am lost through the liturgy which i know from my childhood no meaning at all special when half of it is about the mother of god panagia,theotokos ever virgin and so on in the protestant church the emphasis is JESUS the SAVIOR but there are so many different sects now no unity very rare you can find a good one
@ Try learning about your faith instead of just sitting through the liturgy with an empty head all your life. Theotokos is not about “pagan goddess.” 🤣 🤣 🤣
If he reads and studies the fathers of the church, he’ll find out that it’s what the Catholic Church professes and does, what the early church did. He could end up being catholic.
Dillon needs to hear from Keith Nester, a former Protestant Pastor now a famous Catholic preacher. The lack of authority in the Protestant churches led him to convert to the Catholic faith.
Cameron did an excellent job of highlighting why a knowledge/study of history leads to the realization that there is one, true, apostolic and authoritative Church founded by Jesus Christ.
I am a Catholic and to me sprinkling water over a crying child never made sense. Every person who got baptized in the early Church made a conscious decision to turn away from sins and accept Jesus. How can you be born again if you were just born??
This convo really brings to the forefront the thematic differences between non-denom Protestants and Catholics. We see Christ as a king who established or RESTORED an upside down servant led empire - the new Israel and the new Rome. Protestants paint Christ more as a revolutionary who instigated a total rebellion against Israel and Rome.
Non denom Protestants don’t think that Jesus was an earthly revolutionary here to fight against Rome and Jerusalem. That’s completely outside of anything but the weirdest liberation theology.
@ By that I mean something like Christian Primitivism. Low church protestants typically view Jesus and his movement as just a “rag tag” group of lowly know nothing rebels. This implies that the more “pure” and “authentically” Christian church would and should look like this as opposed to the more regal institutional organized religion with all its “pomp and circumstance”.
@ and the whole Protestant identity is built in opposition to the Catholic Church because they view it as the new “pharisaical synagogue” and the new “Roman empire”. It is self-defeating Christianity. Christianity turned against itself. This is why we can easily draw the theme from the Protestant revolt to secular modernity with its woke ultra-Christian anti-Christianism. They are the heirs of Protestants.
Dillon: "I want to be Catholic." - we can't wait to welcome you home to the Church Jesus founded. He promised the gates of hell will not prevail against it and He stayed true to that promise for over 2000 years. Amazing video. Great work there Cameron. What can I say, you're a walking Catholic encyclopedia. You can get all these facts out on demand. Wow.
This is what I think the main role of the pope is. Luke 22:31. "Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat.32. But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers."
Another illustrating passage of scripture ... John 21 20 Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them. (This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said, “Lord, who is going to betray you?”) 21 When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?” 22 Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.” 23 Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?” From this passage, it certainly doesn't seem that Jesus meant for Peter to be the pope of John ...
Wonderful conversation, you were both great! Open and well debated. Loved the analogy about the bishops being the husbands and the faithful the women. May God bless your work.
What can I say Cameron, you're the man to talk to Dillon. What you've been saying are all on point. I've thought of things to respond to Dillon but when I hear the arguments that you raise, they're so much better. Wow.
Thankyou for the fruitful dialogue. To my protestant brother, what to you make of Christs admonition that says--- "... unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you! John 6:53-54 ?...In other words whomsoever do not partake of the Eucharist will not be saved...
Not all denominations agree. But for Baptists and non-denominationals, we see it as a metaphor, not literally eating the body of Jesus and drinking his blood. We believe this would break Scripture forbidding cannibalism in the OT and the Spirit of God would never contradict itself. The bread and blood are representations of Jesus and his atoning work on the cross. And us eating and drinking Him are the faith we put in Jesus and the finished work on the cross. Even later in verse 63 he says " It is the Spirit who gives life, the flesh profits nothing." This is just our point of view and it's ok to disagree blessings to you.
@@andrewsantillan6020 if it was not meant literally then how could it have such a effect on those who receive the Eucharist unworthily or without discerning the Body of the Lord, that some get sick or even die ….??( 1 Cor 11:29-30)
@@andrewsantillan6020 it doesn’t get more clear than that..!! “For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed “( John 6:55) If Jesus meant it only symbolically then surely the disciples would not have walked away from this teaching, murmuring “ Who can it accept this teaching” but Jesus doesn’t call them back to explain, he lets them go their way just like the Protestants have walked away from this teaching.
@@andrewsantillan6020 I recently heard a Protestant response to this question ... which adds weight to this view. In presenting the Lord's Supper to His disciples, Jesus was, in fact, FULFILLED the OT based Israelite/Jewish Passover ... which was, itself, a symbolic/spiritual ritual of REMEMBRANCE ... of God's rescue of His people Israel from Egypt.
Minute 10:08, just wanted to give you an example, Francis Chan after 27 years in ministry (he admits) started to understand the Eucharist. Check out his videos.
Protestant service is more look like a concert mixed with prayers, not a worship at all. In the Bible, there is distinction between "prayer" and "worship". Because worship in the Bible was always connected with the altar and sacrifice, which is absent in Protestanism, while prayer is common practice that the Jews do everywhere, especially in synoagogue (not in Solomon Temple). Protestanism is the Church that embrace the worldly kind of entertainment, and 100% not the Church that Jesus established.
When the veil of the Temple was torn, it was God's message to the Jews that he was no longer there; that their covenant was now over. *NOT* that there would no longer be a need for a church/physical building.
The church needs more converts and cradle catholics who practice their faith. The Catholic church is the only church where your soul is cared for. You're not going to get that as a protestant. I converted from non denominational 6 yrs ago. So glad to be home.
I fell that Dillon, like many and myself, is challenged with the Pope.. Cameron did a great job of explaining the limits of the pope's authority. Looking at today's challenges in the Catholic Church, especially concerning the pope, it is helpful to look at the Old Testament kings in both the North(Israel) and South(Judah) of the divided kingdom. In the north where there was no true worship because they did not have the Tabernacle, every king was bad and did what was evil in the site of the Lord. In the South, where they did have the correct worship and the Tabernacle, some kings were mostly good and others were mostly bad or just bad. I find that to be a helpful typology to look consider when I don't agree with something the pope is saying or implementing. Steve Ray has an excellent video called Peter, the Rock, the Keys, and the Chair, which is available on UA-cam. I highly recommend a short video by Joshua Charles clip on The Cordial Catholic called Chaotic, Corrupt, and Sinful but STILL the One True Church?! I HIGHLY recommend to help anyone who has a major hangup on church corruption and the pope.
There is one true Church built on the rock. Everything that breaks off from it is schismatic. If you are not on the rock, you are a schismatic. You can never claim to be the true Church if you're not on the rock.
@@theprotestantreset Hence it can be explained as about Christ: **and upon this rock**, i.e., on Christ, that he might be the foundation, and that the thing founded might receive a support. Augustine says in the book of Retractions that he explained it in many ways, and left it to the hearers to accept what they would. Or, to demonstrate that “this rock” means Christ: “and the rock was Christ” (1 Cor 10:4). And in another place, “for other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus” (1 Cor 3:11). Another explanation: **upon this rock**, i.e., upon you, Peter, because from me, the rock, you receive that you are a rock. And just as I am a rock, so upon you, Peter, I will build my Church. But what is this? Are both Christ and Peter the foundation? One should say that Christ is the foundation through himself, but Peter insofar as he holds the confession of Christ, insofar as he is his vicar. **Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone** (Eph 2:20). **And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them, the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb** (Rev 21:14). So Christ is the foundation through himself, but the apostles are the foundation not through themselves, but by Christ's permission, and by the authority given by Christ; “the foundations thereof are in the holy mountains” (Ps 86:1). But especially Peter's house, which is founded upon the rock, shall not be destroyed (Matt 7:25). Thus it can be attacked, but cannot be conquered.
Even if Catholics are talking to other denominations to come together it can’t happened. Because to understand Catholicism means to obey not to wonder with your own understanding
@ you could bring some light to the part of obeying. Because I just don’t see it. I been inside the Protestant works and I know what you move from denomination to denomination and us always for obedience. You could tell us if you change denominations and why.
The evidence of the Primacy of Rome and of Peter as the First Bishop of Rome is overwhelming by the quotes Cameron provided from the Early Church Fathers. Dillon also did not respond to Cameron pointing out that Augustine said we must be under the authority of the Bishops and Dillons church has not a one Bishop! Dillon just failed to address this as a major problem with Protestant Churches being out of line in regard to what Augustine taught and so many Protestants hold Augustine in such high regard when Augustine was very much a Catholic holding to all the Cathedral doctrines - the Immaculate Conception, the Perpetual Virginity of Mary, Purgatory, the Primacy of the Bishop of Role, infant baptism the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist etc
I really enjoyed this open discussion. I think one thing that Dillon may find helpful is studying typologies. After recently converting to Catholicism, my mind continues to be blown seeing all of the Old being fulfilled in the New. Brant Petri's books Jesus and Jewish Roots on the Eucharist and Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary are very eye opening. Brant Petri also did a video available on UA-cam on the Jewish roots of the pope. I find that the non denominational churches I attended focused mainly on the New Testament. So much is lost when we don't look at the New Testament and Covenant being a fulfillment of the Old.
I wish I could share a LOT more here, but I would have to write a book. However, as a cradle Catholic I didn't study a lot of it, I just believed. However, my spouse having recently converted 4 years ago, has taught me so much. It has put me on a path where I have ravenously began to study the Bible, church history, tradition, everything I can get my hands on. The more I delve into it the more I get drawn in every manner, spiritually, my heart, mind, behaviors etc.... All I can say is go for it. Start with Bible in a Year, either podcast or in youtube format. Pray for the Holy Spirit to carry you through your challenges. And keep at it, questioning and asking God to show you more.
The problem with asking questions about Protestantism or the Protestant church is that its not one thing. Its like trying to find a cure for cancer: you have to specify which type of cancer first because they're not all the same thing.
I grew up with Pope Paul VI's new liturgy. So, I've attended rock concerts at Holy Mass. The music diverts our attention from the liturgy to the music. Music can distract Catholics, even during the Traditional Latin Mass where a professional choir performs Gregorian Chant or Renaissance polyphony. But rock music profanes the Mass. That reminds me of what Fr. Denis Fahey wrote in a book about Christ's social kingship. Fr. Fahey said, "The world must conform to Christ, not he to it." A committee invented Pope Paul VI's novel rite of Mass to please Protestants, not to preserve the ancient Traditional Latin Mass.
I attend both types of mass because one of the things that hasn't changed is the Eucharist I attend novus ordo mass also use gregorian chant,, part of that may no longer follow the actual mass rubric So I attend these two types of mass Because it is valid God bless
Dillon got his answer from his own words. God told the Israelites that they don't need a king. He spoke through Moses, through the prophets, through the priests. The Pope is not the king. He is "Moses, the prophets and the priests." Christ IS the King. The Pope is the vicar.
The apostle Paul in his letters to Galatian makes it very clear that we are no longer under the Old Testament and his rules and regulations. That we’re under a New Testament we are now children of faith.
Rather than come up with a new liturgy for Protestants, why not just use the original liturgy for the Eucharist that Our Lord established at the Last Supper, the Catholic liturgy? We have used it for two thousand years and it works.
I am an extraordinary minister of the Holy Communion. The Church has never used one liturgy for 2000 years. The reading of scripture (liturgy of the word) and liturgy of the Eucharist has been present throughout, but never in the same form. I'm not sure what exactly you had in mind, but please be aware of the history behind the Liturgy.
@@alisterrebelo9013 you are a minister of the Holy communion . Well a question to the question . Can a Protestant service or pastor , perform the liturgy or communion. I thought it had to be done by a priest?
@@ThatGuy-nr5sp In a Catholic Mass, the Liturgy of the Eucharist can only be performed by a priest or Bishop. In a Protestant service depending on which Protestant denomination you are talking about, something similar will apply. Example for Anglican and Lutheran aervices, only their priests can say their version of the mass. Does this answer your question?
@ yes that answered my question thank you. If I may ask another question How is an Anglican or Lutheran church able to perform the Eucharist, if they are not in communion with a catholic or Orthodox Church. I thought a priest had to be ordained by an apostolic church or bishop.
@@ThatGuy-nr5sp Great question. In Lutheranism, they rejected the role of the Bishop as being necessary for transmission of the priesthood and bishopric. So they ceased the God made tradition of laying of hands by Bishops, both for the transmission of priests and bishops. They claim they don't need this to be able to confect the Eucharist. So from a Catholic perspective, they no longer have the ability to confect the Eucharist as this is dependent on being validly ordained by a bishop in an unbroken line of bishops going back to the Apostles. I will talk about Anglicans next.
I was raised as a Catholic went to a parochial school ,graduated from a Catholic high school. been through all the sacraments except for marriage ordination and last rights. And I can tell you I cannot for the life of me imagine going to church every Sunday and doing the exact same thing at the exact same time in a service and then walking out and calling that my due service to God.
Thank you, for this very inspiring interview. Dillon is intelligent and profound in his insights. I think a whole new world will open up for him into the mysteries of Our Lord's Mystical Body. May God bless his ministry.
@@juliathelittle7007 What word signified the Trinity in the language Tertullian wrote in? Remember, I said St. Augustine coined "Trinitas." I didn't suggest it was the only ancient word that stood for the Trinity.
Thank you, Dillon, for coming on my channel!! 🤔🤔
If you had one argument to convince Dillon that the Catholic Faith was the one true one, what would you tell him?
If baptism is not an essential doctrine that is saying that Jesus' command and great commission is not essential. If Protestants can't agree on the meaning, mode, or type of baptism then there is a massive problem. Moving it to the "non-essential" list of items does not solve the problem at all, and undermines what God says.
Dillon replied to one of comments on his video that many famous Church fathers disagree with Catholic beliefs. I wonder if he realizes that the disagreements he is seeing is actually so minute compared to the great majority of Church fathers who believes the Catholic church is the one true Church of Jesus Christ.
Just tell him to read St. Francis de Sales Controversies lol. Shoot I'll send it to him as a Christmas gift. 💀
The most intimate, amazing experience that we can ever have with Our Lord is receiving Him in the Holy Eucharist.
I would say that the only topic that makes you separate from the Catholic church is the disobedience. Same thing happened in Protestant if you don’t agree you make your own denomination and that’s because disobedience.
Can't lie, my wife and I had a good laugh at the Thumbnail! "Honey, are we going to become Catholic?" Thank you for having me on Cameron. Had a great time!
Glad you got a good laugh out of it!! That's what I was hoping for!!
Thanks for coming on! I'd love to touch base again in a month or so and follow up again!
Christ's peace, brother.
I really enjoyed how the both of you interacted with each other. One thing I found interesting is that I assume you would accept the God in three persons (not modes or expressions), which isn't specifically stated in the Bible. The concept is there, but it's not specifically written that way. Moreover, Jesus Christ as a divine person with a fully human nature and fully divine nature in hypostatic union is not specifically stated that way, but the concept is there. The pope is not not specifically stated that way, but the concept is there (Isaiah 22:22). You accept the not specifically stated for the first two but don't apply the same standard for the papacy. I find that interesting epistemologically. Thanks again to the both of you! It was great and you are both so humble!
It was fun to see you both discussing together. I was a Protestant Christian for a very long time and now Catholic. It’s been such a privilege to be in full union to Christ’s church and receive the graces of God through confirmation, confession and the Eucharist. Have you read brant Pitre’s books- Jesus and the Jewish roots of the Eucharist/jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary? (There are SO many amazing books, resources and podcasts out there but these two books are amazing to start out:)
Please check out Dr. Brant Pitre book Jesus and Jewish roots of the Eucharist. Catholics didn't randomly try out a bunch of different things and arrive at the Liturgy. It developed as a continuation of our Jewish heritage which is the heritage of Jesus, Apostles and the early disciples.
Brant Pitre covers the basis of the Liturgy in, Jesus and the Jewish roots of the Eucharist. It wasn't a random process of trying out different things.
Great video! FYI, Scott Hahn was a Presbyterian minister before conversion.
Thank you 😊 I misspoke!
@@CameronRiecker You did. I have noted it in my book.... ;)
Oh man…I distinctly remember when I first started investigating like this and dialoguing with Catholics that there came a point when I really wanted it to be true but I was also afraid that it was true. Why? Because while I had spent my Christian life up to that point condemning the idea of one person (the Pope)…an imperfect man…having the final say on faith and morals…I began to realize that I had always placed MYSELF in that role! I had the final say for myself when it came to what I believed was true. I had the final say for myself when it came to whether or not a church I attended or joined was teaching what I believed was biblically sound doctrine. I had the final say on what I believed was a sin or what was not. I had the final say on all matters of faith and morals for myself! And yet…I readily admitted that I was not perfect either! That had always been my mode of operation, so giving that up was terrifying.
Martin luther didn't get rid of one pope he created millions.
The pope is lile a referee. Not a king...he is infallible in autjprity, nlt infallible im character...those are two differemt things..
Jesus is divine..the pope is a human being given authority
I have enjoyed watching Dillon appear on other channels over the last few days. His attitude towards new ideas is so encouraging. He is confident in his beliefs yet absolutely willing to walk down this road of discovery. As a Protestant exploring Catholicism myself, this is encouraging. Thank you both!
I hope to see you in mass one day 😄
Yes ..biblical masculinity “ interesting on a philosophical scale. As in anima animus but of course those aren’t gendered.
Come on home Cole! Our mother always brings her children home! Praise be God!!🙏🏼
The point made about a lack of maturity has a great deal of truth to it. When I speak with Protestants, it often doesn't seem like they fully grasp the issues I raise.
This was a wonderful conversation between a Catholic and a Protestant. I think he needs to be helped understanding some bible passages that talk about communion of saints, Peter as the pope, and so on. I do see him being opened to learning about all these things. He just needs some guidance.
point is, having searched diligently, he cannot find any of that in the bible.
Gates of hell will take care of all satanic cult believing idiots of sola scriptura a man made tradition invented by a devil possessed man
I feel like I might be watching a conversion story in real time. Praying for Dillon on his journey 🙏 This was a beautiful conversation. Thank you.
As a conservative Catholic everything I hear from this Protestant is HIS OWN opinion- not Christ’s teaching. What he thinks the church should look like… that he thinks everything should come from the Bible when the Bible never states that. That we don’t want to the church to look like a church… I could go on. Nothing but arrogant, opinionated, man made , non apostolic, theology.
He blamed bad Catholics for the division among Protestant sects. He forgot that the 1st Protestant was a BAD Catholic monk🤔
Luther was disobedient
@@TheresaCronin-kc6wz he was totally psychotic, and operated at the service of the interests of the German princes that wanted to favor the 'reformation' in order to steal the Church properties...
As an old Catholic lady, it does my heart good to see two young men dialogue in this fashion! Pray for my kids, who have strayed from the Church… I pray incessantly to St Monica…❤️
Satan was so cunning that he tried to use the Bible against the Catholic Church where it came from. God responded by dividing Protestantism into more than 50,000 denominations much like what he did to Babylon while the Catholic Church endured, grew and multiplied in the 4 corners of the world just as he promised that the gates of Hell won’t prevail against his church.
Source: trust me bro/head canons
@@Spuckley.
Dude, seriously?
If you don't see that the Protestant movement is divided into thousands of denominations with contradicting teachings, all due to it's own teaching of "Sola Scriptura", you are seriously out of touch.
@@Lone-Lee please enlighten me on where it says in scripture that says that the bible isn't the only truth.
@@Spuckley.
That’s not what I or the OP claimed. Our point is that the doctrine of *Sola Scriptura* has led to divisions within the Protestant movement, resulting in thousands of denominations with often contradictory teachings.
If you believe in *Sola Scriptura*, the burden of proof is on you to show where this principle is explicitly taught in Scripture. After all, a doctrine claiming the Bible alone is authoritative should itself be clearly found in the Bible, right?
By the way, in the first few centuries of Christianity, there wasn’t a complete New Testament canon. Early Christians relied on oral tradition, some of which were later written down and compiled into the Bible by the Catholic Church. The canon wasn’t finalized until the late 4th century, and even then, it wasn’t widely available for centuries because copies were handwritten.
Most importantly, Jesus didn’t leave us with a book; He left us with a Church (Matthew 16:18). The Church came first, guided by the Holy Spirit, and it was through this Church that Scripture itself was preserved and proclaimed. Without the Church, there would be no Bible to appeal to in the first place.
@Lone-Lee 2 Peter 1:16-2:2: The Bible is described as the only source of certain truth.
Proverbs 30:5: States that every word of God is true.
James 1:18: States that God gave birth to humans through the word of truth.
John 17:17-26: States that the word of God is truth.
John 8:32: Jesus says that the truth will set people free.
Ephesians 4:25: States that God wants his followers to be people of truth.
Psalm 145:18: States that the Lord is close to those who call on him in truth.
Proverbs 23:23: States that people should buy truth and not sell it.
Ephesians 6:10-17: Presents the "belt of truth" as the first piece of spiritual armor.
It never says I'm scriptures that things that aren't in bible concerning the topic of Jesus Christ/God can be true.
The Greek word for "church" is ekklesia, which is a combination of the words kaleo (to call) and the prefix ek (out). It literally translates to "the called out ones" or "an assembly".
In the Classical period, ekklesia was used to refer to an official assembly of citizens. In the New Testament, it was used to describe the local church. The word conveys the idea that God intended for the church to be a powerful and influential force in the community, rather than a hidden group.
The English word "church" is actually derived from the Greek word kuriakon, which means "dedicated to the Lord". Kuriakon was often used to refer to a holy place or temple. When the New Testament was translated from Greek to Latin, it became customary to use a derivative of kuriakon to translate ekklesia. This led to the English word "church" becoming associated with a sacred building.
"Rock" as a metaphor:
While Peter's name "Petros" means "rock" in Greek, the word used here ("petra") signifies a larger, more solid rock, suggesting the core truth of Jesus' divinity as the foundation of the church.
Peter's confession:
The "rock" is not just Peter, but the confession he made about Jesus being the Christ, which is the essential truth upon which the church is built.
Universal application:
This foundational truth applies to all believers, not just Peter, as everyone who accepts Jesus as the Messiah becomes part of the "rock" on which the church is built.
"upon this rock I will build my church" is that Jesus is declaring the foundation of his church to be the confession of Peter that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God; essentially saying that the true foundation of the church is the belief in Jesus' identity as Messiah, not just Peter himself as a person.
It is very endearing that Dillon is not coming in thinking he will disprove the Catholic Church, but rather he humbly acknowledges that others have gone on this journey and ended up Catholic.
Just seven minutes into the video and I get a feeling of a future conversion from Dillon to Catholicism 🙏😁
Pray for that!
Praying for Dillons conversion to the Catholic Church God bless you all 🙏
He will be Catholic if keeps looking into what first and second century Christians “hanged there hat on”. Will probably be a great Catholic apologist 😅
the first century church "devoted themselves to the apostles doctrine....."
Absolutely agree. The more you dig, the more you end up at Rome.
@@edurado1996 Those who ended up in Rome were beheaded or crucified.
@ no better death than in the name of Christ 🤷🏿♂️
The problem with the statement "what first and second century Christians 'hanged their hats on'" is that as soon as Christ rose from the dead the divisions began. Also, the Catholic Church does not in anyway resemble the New Testament church.
It's wonderful to listen to you both. Thank you for sharing.
In answer to the question “Why isn’t the Papacy mentioned in the Dideche, I would reference the U S Constitution as an example. Nowhere in the Constitution is the word “Governor” mentioned, yet all 50 States have one.
Amen!
Great point.
Even if you look at holy scripture, it doesnt flow as a piece of literature or as a well wrritten instruction manual. It needs an history to make it alive. Another word for that is "tradition" or a respected history.
There is no such thing as the "Protestant Church" there is a sect of Christianity called Protestantism, which consists of many Christian communities (technically speaking not even "churches"). There is only one Church (we all know which one that is).
@MaxJones…exactly!!🎯
Amen!!!!
The Catholic Church preserved, compiled, translated, chose the books to include and declared the Bible canon in 382 under Pope Damasus at the Council of Rome. Jesus didn’t leave us a Bible but He did leave us a church (Matthew 16:18).
Interestingly, the scriptures say that God breathed them out. That sounds like a gift from God ...
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
Exactly and that is why the Catholic church argues that the scripture isn't just what was written in the bible. But people find it hard to distinguish between the bible and scriptures. To better put it, while the bible is the word of God, it doesn't contain all of scripture.@@TheAegis1000
@@FootballFansFrenzy What's the written justification for ... "while the bible is the word of God, it doesn't contain all of scripture." ? What scripture exists outside of the Bible ?
@@TheAegis1000 You just said it, God breathed it out on them. It wasn't written and given to them. While some got written and compiled in the bible, others were written but isn't compiled in the bible and the rest were performed as traditions. Even the writers of the gospels admit that not everything that was said and done by Jesus is contained in their writings. Doesn't mean they weren't practiced.
TheAegis1000...in 2 Timothy3:16-17, if you divide the clauses up which are separated by the words...all...and....for....that...for..., an interesting conclusion is reached i.e. (all) Scripture is God breathed....(and) is profitable (for) teaching, etc....(that) the man might be complete, equipped...(for) every good work.
So, the whole purpose of Scripture is to make the man complete and equipped for good works. Interesting don't you think?
Note: Another interesting thought is, at the time of the writing of Timothy (I don't have he date in front of me) even though Paul's writings were cited as Scripture, most of what was thought to be Scripture referred to the OT. Add to that not all of what would later be called the NT (first named late 2nd C.), was not completed at the writing of Timothy. Just some interesting thoughts. God bless.
I love open, charitable conversations like this with our Protestant brothers and sisters. As a Catholic Christian we face a lot of anti-Catholic bigotry and I believe good conversations like this with honest, good natured Protestant brothers and sisters can be productive to where even if you can’t get where I am in theology and we can’t agree, we can better understand one another and be better Christians by acting in a charitable way that seeks to understand and maybe even, God willing, reunite one day. Because I truly do look at our Protestant brethren as separated brothers and sisters in Christ. They were once (at least their ancestors) members of our Church and family. Maybe one day they will be again and maybe further enrich our understanding of the Lord like I believe we can do with their understanding. Sorry if this rambled. All that to say I admire what you fellows are doing and appreciate the civil and charitable contributions you both made today. May God bless the both of you and your loved ones. And as it’s December as I’m writing this, Merry Christmas!
All his arguments against Catholicism are based on what he subjectively does or does not see in Scripture. This is the crux of the difference between Catholicism and protestantism. You have to attack the bedrock premise that the Bible is the only infallible rule of faith and then the rest should fall into place after that.
chasedudek3136...yes and even the Catholic church considers itself a servant of Scripture. The difference being that the power and authority Jesus gave to His Church means it is the only authority outside Scripture authorized to fully and correctly interpret Scripture. Much like our Supreme Court is the authoritative body given the authority to rightly interpret the Constitutution. Otherwise, it's every man's interpretation.
Our country was founded in rebellion against authority. The Reformation had a lot to do with that if you stop and think about. The Reformers rebelled against the church and the state and the citizens rebelled against the Reformers. Denominations now rebel within the ranks which causes more rebellion and division and church splits. Why, because, we have been taught to reject authority in the church, in society and in the family while stubbornly claiming Scripture is our highest and only authority. Someone still has to interpret Scripture and that's where the real question of authority lies. God bless.
Reminds me of a jury I sat on. One juror wouldn't convict the defendant because she didn't SAY she committed the crime, even though all evidence pointed to her having committed the crime....all evidence points to Peter being the first pope.
Enjoyed the conversation. Keep up the prayers! Also, Upon this Rock is a great recommendation 😊
The Bible explicity says to follow oral traditions.
I have to say as early as now: Welcome Home to Rome! 😁👌
God willing :)
I saw his video and glad he found Cameron. As long as he keeps seeking he is on his way ❤
Not exactly where that phrase regarding Rome and welcoming someone home came from. The concept sounds odd to Christians who are familiar with several Bible verses that warn about cheering people towards a worldly home. For instance ... Hebrews 13:14 says "For here we have no lasting city, but we seek the city that is to come." Can you share the origin (and maybe motivation) of the "welcome home" exhortation that we hear so frequently from Catholics?
@@mattnelms2522 It means "Welcome home to the true church that Our Lord instituted, the Catholic Church".
@@mattnelms2522 "welcome to Rome" or "crossing the Tiber" have come to be the shorthand term for converting to Catholicism. A Catholic who converts to Protestantism, in particular Anglicanism, is referred to as "swimming the Thames" or "crossing the Thames".
I absolutely love this, and can’t wait for you guys to continue this conversation! I could listen this kind of discussion for 20 hours!
As someone who went from cradle Catholic to Protestant and then back to Catholic, I can confidently say my faith has never been stronger. This conversation was excellent-insightful and respectful. Both sides presented valid points, and let’s be honest, no church is without flaws because no church is perfect. For me, the decision came down to craving a calmer, quieter style of worship, which I’ve rediscovered in the Catholic Church-something I didn’t fully appreciate when I was younger. Now, I truly adore Jesus in every sense of the word. Thank you both for such a meaningful discussion! 🙏🏻
Dr. Scott Hahn was a Presbyterian before conversion. Dr. Taylor Marshall was an Episcopalian priest. 😊😊😊
Its became a trend in internet now, to see a lot of ex-Protestant giving testimony of their conversion to Catholicism.
I would tell him the Catholic Church is the church Jesus founded. She is his one true bride 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Jesus true bride would not bow down herself befor images/statues. Never.
@@peterzinya1 The OT temple was decorated with images and statues. The Ark of the Covenant was highly reveranced and had two statues of Cherubim placed atop of it. So exactly what is your point??
Catholic means universal so ok Jesus is the head of the catholic church, the Roman church and the Orthodox are not truly catholic since they have become tribal believing they are the only true church like some cults claim today.
@@PatriceFriant Tracing the lineage via historical records it would be quite easy to show the Catholic Faith (or what you call the Roman Catholic) is the original while it was the Orthodox which split from the original. Unlike ALL the protestant sects which began with theological herectical distancing; the Orthodox split has remained relatively a disagreement in goverance rather than theology. Interms of theology we have remained almost identical and in that regard can be said to be still the one faith.
@@39knights Befor i tell you my point, i want you to show me where people bowed down befor these things you mentioned. Thanks in advance.
All will eventually be Catholic. It’s the fullness of the truth. 🙏🙏
Well done CR. I never thought I could sit through an 1 1/2 program and stay engaged. You answered all of Dillon’s misgivings about the Catholic Church. However I just don’t understand why he doesn’t see how Jesus appointed Peter first among the Apostles in the Bible. Or that the extra biblical quotes have merit. But you planted some seeds and hopefully Dillon’s heart will change his mind.
You are obviously a gifted teacher with a beautiful mind and great computer files to back up your knowledge.
God bless you. Thank you for this beautiful comment :)
I agree very well done!!! God bless!
I would add that taking a look at the counsel of Jerusalem is also a good thing. The apostles get together and talk and debate and invoke the spirit. And then James speaks regarding the regional disciplines (rules) that he implements in his region (his seat of authority), this has to do mainly with gentiles not eating certain things to not offend their Jewish brothers and sisters. Which is mega relevant for that region. But notice that Peter speaks at the end and he makes the dogmatic statement that relates to the whole church, regarding circumcision and the relation to salvation.
Thank you! You should do a video reflecting on what was said in this discussion. God bless!
Maybe I’ll do a livestream!
As someone who was raised in the Catholic tradition but now worships within a Protestant community, I find myself wary of certain non-denominational congregations-particularly the larger, “mega” churches. Their emphasis often seems to rest on emotion and entertainment rather than substantive engagement with Scripture. My wife and I attended one such church for some time, but we walked away feeling that the pastor never moved beyond an introductory overview of biblical teaching. More than once, I found myself asking, “When will we actually reach ‘chapter one’ of God’s Word?” Ultimately, we decided to attend a Baptist church, which offered a more focused and systematic approach to Scripture.
I truly appreciated the video you shared and wish there were more opportunities for thoughtful, respectful dialogue between Protestants and Catholics. Far too often, conversations devolve into unhelpful criticism from both sides. We would all benefit from extending one another a measure of grace, remembering that while our traditions differ, our shared faith can unite us. Genuine, open-hearted dialogue has the potential to enrich everyone involved, helping us grow in understanding and mutual respect.
That’s interesting you say about chapter “one”. The “Mass”, Refrences the Bible this way:
The First Reading: It’s from the Old Testament
The Second Reading: some Reading from the New Testament
Then we do the Psalms
Then the Third Reading: Something from the Gospels
Then the Homily
Then the sacrifice of the Mass “The breaking of bread”
As he learns history he finds the Catholic Church is most likely the true church. Proving, education is the cure for Protestantism. 📖⛪️🙏🏼🕊️✝️😃
Maybe...
_“To be deep in (Church) History is to cease to be Protestant”_
@ He literally said “he wants to believe and be Catholic. 👍
@ that’s the quote! 😃🙏🏼✝️
Yep. This “pastor” needs to read some Scott Han, Tim Staples, Steven Ray and a few other Protestant Ministers that have converted to the True Church.
“I don’t see the Pope holding councils anymore, Councils are not done anymore”. Meanwhile, the synod on synodality has been going on for the last three years and just concluded recently.
❤❤❤❤ I loved this! Respectful, informative and kind. Great job guys! 👏 ✝️
Why does the Protestant seem to be ok with a council of infallible people, but not one infallible person? If infallibility is possible with a council, it should certainly be possible with one person.
JESUS says keep Sabbath holy!
POPE says keep Sunday holy!
“The Bible says remember that thou keep the Sabbath day. The Catholic Church says, 'NO!'. By my divine power, I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week. And, lo, the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church."
-Father Enright,
American Sentinal, June 1893.
7th Day Sabbath = (Exo.20:8-11)
1st day Sunday = (Mark 7:7)
The WORD teaches 7th day is holy!
The WORLD teaches 1st day is holy!
WHO DO 🫵 YOU OBEY????
Lol nice try bud. Christ himself said that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, and that he was Lord over the Sabbath as well.
Following the Sabbath strictly was a mosaic commandment that Christ fulfilled and superceded, as he did the other mosaic laws. Jesus makes it clear that HE is the eternal rest for mankind, and those who submit to him and give themselves to his body will have eternal rest.
The second Christ offered himself up as the final Passover lamb on the cross, he became the new Sabbath. Every day, not just Saturday, is the Sabbath for Christians who belong to the body of Christ since he gave spiritual eternal rest to all of mankind bound to him when he reconciled humanity to God the Father. Christians therefore now celebrate this eternal rest by celebrating Christ on the Lord’s Day, Sunday.
So nice try seventh day Adventist, read your Bible bud.
Because it's scary. We live in a democratic system and have for so long now, that to live under a "king" seems a corruption.
@@bobizzle1605Yes, and Catholics can go to church and hear mass everyday if they want to. Sunday is an obligation although we can go hear anticipated mass on a Saturday.
He is more receptive to Orthodoxy, which is a frequent path for Protestants.
Thanks Cameron, it was a very fruitful discussion!
Someone has to discuss with Dillon the story of Eliakim, the vicar of the ancient king who held the keys of the kingdom. What he shuts, none shall open. What he opens none shall shut. Eliakim is the type, Peter is the antitype.
If Dillon wants, I would joyfully buy him a copy of Rome Sweet Home, by Dr. Scott Hahn.
What a nice conversation between two righteous men. Great example.
You did a brilliant job hosting this conversation. I was truly impressed by your love, patience and candor.
This was a delightful watch. God bless your ministry Cameron
God had always worked on a single Patriarchy. Abrahan, Moses, Elijah, the list goes on and on and is endless. Cameron did a great job opening Dillon's mind to Catholicism. I can't think of anyone who could have done a better job.
Dillon has the typical low argument against the church Jesus started; we just need the bible alone, we don't need a pope or leader because we have Jesus, etc. If he really studied church history and the early church fathers he would come to better understanding on the Catholic Church.
Father Chris Alar said in one of his videos that when people say they dont need the chuch or attack the church, a majority of St. Pauls letters in the new testament are directed towards the chuch
Thank you so much, I am Catholic and learned so much from you. God bless 🙏
When Peter spoke in the Council of Jerusalem, the bible says that "all fell silent."
As a Catholic convert I believe that what many disgruntled Protestants are looking for in worship is what we Catholics and the Orthodox refer to as “the ancient liturgy.” As Catholics we call it “the Mass.” People are hungry for the Table of the Lord. 😊😊😊
Yes and amen 🙏
Protestant service is more look like a concert mixed with prayers, not a worship at all. In the Bible, there is distinction between "prayer" and "worship". Because worship in the Bible was always connected with the altar and sacrifice, which is absent in Protestanism, while prayer is common practice that the Jews do everywhere, especially in synoagogue (not in Solomon Temple). Protestanism is the Church that embrace the worldly kind of entertainment, and 100% not the Church that Jesus established.
As a Greek orthodox i am lost through the liturgy which i know from my childhood no meaning at all special when half of it is about the mother of god panagia,theotokos ever virgin and so on in the protestant church the emphasis is JESUS the SAVIOR but there are so many different sects now no unity very rare you can find a good one
@@borneandayak6725 100%the church that Jesus established? so is the Catholic the one? Read the Acts of the Apostles and you will find the CHURCH
@ Try learning about your faith instead of just sitting through the liturgy with an empty head all your life. Theotokos is not about “pagan goddess.” 🤣 🤣 🤣
If he reads and studies the fathers of the church, he’ll find out that it’s what the Catholic Church professes and does, what the early church did. He could end up being catholic.
Dillon needs to hear from Keith Nester, a former Protestant Pastor now a famous Catholic preacher. The lack of authority in the Protestant churches led him to convert to the Catholic faith.
Cameron did an excellent job of highlighting why a knowledge/study of history leads to the realization that there is one, true, apostolic and authoritative Church founded by Jesus Christ.
Love love love this conversation. I wish all Catholic and protestant dialogues are like this.
Dillon did an interview with Drew just before this, man i respect his work ethic.
Hey, I appreciate that! Can't say that my brain wasn't fried afterwards...
I am a Catholic and to me sprinkling water over a crying child never made sense. Every person who got baptized in the early Church made a conscious decision to turn away from sins and accept Jesus. How can you be born again if you were just born??
THIS is Why Catholics Baptize Babies (and you should too)
ua-cam.com/video/YElub4bBhLI/v-deo.html
This convo really brings to the forefront the thematic differences between non-denom Protestants and Catholics.
We see Christ as a king who established or RESTORED an upside down servant led empire - the new Israel and the new Rome.
Protestants paint Christ more as a revolutionary who instigated a total rebellion against Israel and Rome.
Non denom Protestants don’t think that Jesus was an earthly revolutionary here to fight against Rome and Jerusalem. That’s completely outside of anything but the weirdest liberation theology.
@ By that I mean something like Christian Primitivism. Low church protestants typically view Jesus and his movement as just a “rag tag” group of lowly know nothing rebels. This implies that the more “pure” and “authentically” Christian church would and should look like this as opposed to the more regal institutional organized religion with all its “pomp and circumstance”.
@ and the whole Protestant identity is built in opposition to the Catholic Church because they view it as the new “pharisaical synagogue” and the new “Roman empire”. It is self-defeating Christianity. Christianity turned against itself. This is why we can easily draw the theme from the Protestant revolt to secular modernity with its woke ultra-Christian anti-Christianism. They are the heirs of Protestants.
Dillon: "I want to be Catholic." - we can't wait to welcome you home to the Church Jesus founded. He promised the gates of hell will not prevail against it and He stayed true to that promise for over 2000 years. Amazing video. Great work there Cameron. What can I say, you're a walking Catholic encyclopedia. You can get all these facts out on demand. Wow.
This is what I think the main role of the pope is. Luke 22:31. "Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat.32. But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers."
Another illustrating passage of scripture ...
John 21
20 Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them. (This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said, “Lord, who is going to betray you?”)
21 When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?”
22 Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.”
23 Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?”
From this passage, it certainly doesn't seem that Jesus meant for Peter to be the pope of John ...
Dillon casually sips a super aesthetic coffee to make us all feel like peasants
Wonderful conversation, you were both great! Open and well debated. Loved the analogy about the bishops being the husbands and the faithful the women. May God bless your work.
What can I say Cameron, you're the man to talk to Dillon. What you've been saying are all on point. I've thought of things to respond to Dillon but when I hear the arguments that you raise, they're so much better. Wow.
Another great conversation! Praise Jesus I am grateful for his holy church!
Note, when reading Upon This Rock by Steve Ray, all of the meat is in the footnotes.
Thankyou for the fruitful dialogue. To my protestant brother, what to you make of Christs admonition that says--- "... unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you! John 6:53-54 ?...In other words whomsoever do not partake of the Eucharist will not be saved...
Not all denominations agree. But for Baptists and non-denominationals, we see it as a metaphor, not literally eating the body of Jesus and drinking his blood. We believe this would break Scripture forbidding cannibalism in the OT and the Spirit of God would never contradict itself. The bread and blood are representations of Jesus and his atoning work on the cross. And us eating and drinking Him are the faith we put in Jesus and the finished work on the cross. Even later in verse 63 he says " It is the Spirit who gives life, the flesh profits nothing." This is just our point of view and it's ok to disagree blessings to you.
@@andrewsantillan6020 if it was not meant literally then how could it have such a effect on those who receive the Eucharist unworthily or without discerning the Body of the Lord, that some get sick or even die ….??( 1 Cor 11:29-30)
@@andrewsantillan6020 Yes, it is definitely a spiritual reality that gives eternal life…!!!
@@andrewsantillan6020 it doesn’t get more clear than that..!! “For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed “( John 6:55) If Jesus meant it only symbolically then surely the disciples would not have walked away from this teaching, murmuring “ Who can it accept this teaching” but Jesus doesn’t call them back to explain, he lets them go their way just like the Protestants have walked away from this teaching.
@@andrewsantillan6020 I recently heard a Protestant response to this question ... which adds weight to this view.
In presenting the Lord's Supper to His disciples, Jesus was, in fact, FULFILLED the OT based Israelite/Jewish Passover ... which was, itself, a symbolic/spiritual ritual of REMEMBRANCE ... of God's rescue of His people Israel from Egypt.
Minute 10:08, just wanted to give you an example, Francis Chan after 27 years in ministry (he admits) started to understand the Eucharist.
Check out his videos.
(On minute 10:20)Dillon, have you checked out the Eucharistic Miracles?!?
Protestant service is more look like a concert mixed with prayers, not a worship at all. In the Bible, there is distinction between "prayer" and "worship". Because worship in the Bible was always connected with the altar and sacrifice, which is absent in Protestanism, while prayer is common practice that the Jews do everywhere, especially in synoagogue (not in Solomon Temple). Protestanism is the Church that embrace the worldly kind of entertainment, and 100% not the Church that Jesus established.
Amen!!!
Especially if people fall for Steve Furtick from Elevation Church or Bethel (some of things they do seem like a borderline cult)
When the veil of the Temple was torn, it was God's message to the Jews that he was no longer there; that their covenant was now over. *NOT* that there would no longer be a need for a church/physical building.
The church needs more converts and cradle catholics who practice their faith. The Catholic church is the only church where your soul is cared for. You're not going to get that as a protestant. I converted from non denominational 6 yrs ago. So glad to be home.
Thank you for showing both perspectives. Great conversation.
Scott Hahn was a Presbyterian pastor not Episcopalian.
Thank you for the correction :)
Doesnt matter what he was. He was unsaved then and is unsaved now.
@@peterzinya1 🤡
@@peterzinya1 if he was an Episcopalian priest he could keep his marriage and pursue priestly holy orders.
@@peterzinya1 what are you trying to achieve?
I fell that Dillon, like many and myself, is challenged with the Pope.. Cameron did a great job of explaining the limits of the pope's authority. Looking at today's challenges in the Catholic Church, especially concerning the pope, it is helpful to look at the Old Testament kings in both the North(Israel) and South(Judah) of the divided kingdom. In the north where there was no true worship because they did not have the Tabernacle, every king was bad and did what was evil in the site of the Lord. In the South, where they did have the correct worship and the Tabernacle, some kings were mostly good and others were mostly bad or just bad. I find that to be a helpful typology to look consider when I don't agree with something the pope is saying or implementing.
Steve Ray has an excellent video called Peter, the Rock, the Keys, and the Chair, which is available on UA-cam. I highly recommend a short video by Joshua Charles clip on The Cordial Catholic called Chaotic, Corrupt, and Sinful but STILL the One True Church?! I HIGHLY recommend to help anyone who has a major hangup on church corruption and the pope.
There is one true Church built on the rock. Everything that breaks off from it is schismatic. If you are not on the rock, you are a schismatic. You can never claim to be the true Church if you're not on the rock.
That is St. Cyprian’s argument in the 2nd century
That's weird because your Pope said that every religion is a way to God. So according to your leader it doesn't matter if somebody is catholic or not.
@@TheEternalHyperboreanCan you quote what he actually said, verbatim?
The Rock is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The only rock worth standing on :)
@@theprotestantreset Hence it can be explained as about Christ: **and upon this rock**, i.e., on Christ, that he might be the foundation, and that the thing founded might receive a support. Augustine says in the book of Retractions that he explained it in many ways, and left it to the hearers to accept what they would. Or, to demonstrate that “this rock” means Christ: “and the rock was Christ” (1 Cor 10:4). And in another place, “for other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus” (1 Cor 3:11).
Another explanation: **upon this rock**, i.e., upon you, Peter, because from me, the rock, you receive that you are a rock. And just as I am a rock, so upon you, Peter, I will build my Church.
But what is this? Are both Christ and Peter the foundation?
One should say that Christ is the foundation through himself, but Peter insofar as he holds the confession of Christ, insofar as he is his vicar. **Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone** (Eph 2:20). **And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them, the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb** (Rev 21:14). So Christ is the foundation through himself, but the apostles are the foundation not through themselves, but by Christ's permission, and by the authority given by Christ; “the foundations thereof are in the holy mountains” (Ps 86:1). But especially Peter's house, which is founded upon the rock, shall not be destroyed (Matt 7:25). Thus it can be attacked, but cannot be conquered.
51:07 The problem with this unity is if the pope has people believing in something not true, there is unity in belief, but in what is wrong.
Did he really say the reason for protestant bloat is due to catholic priest and bishops creating there own protestant church's?
Even if Catholics are talking to other denominations to come together it can’t happened. Because to understand Catholicism means to obey not to wonder with your own understanding
Verry very wrong my man, may the Lord show you his love and change your depraved viewpoint!
You can understand a great deal, it just takes study. A loooooooot of study
@ you could bring some light to the part of obeying. Because I just don’t see it. I been inside the Protestant works and I know what you move from denomination to denomination and us always for obedience. You could tell us if you change denominations and why.
@ well and a lot of logic. Especially now that we have so much lies into all of it.
The evidence of the Primacy of Rome and of Peter as the First Bishop of Rome is overwhelming by the quotes Cameron provided from the Early Church Fathers. Dillon also did not respond to Cameron pointing out that Augustine said we must be under the authority of the Bishops and Dillons church has not a one Bishop! Dillon just failed to address this as a major problem with Protestant Churches being out of line in regard to what Augustine taught and so many Protestants hold Augustine in such high regard when Augustine was very much a Catholic holding to all the Cathedral doctrines - the Immaculate Conception, the Perpetual Virginity of Mary, Purgatory, the Primacy of the Bishop of Role, infant baptism the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist etc
The level of denial must remain high for Dillon to remain Protestant he will come home eventually everyone will!!! 🙏🙏🙏
It always comes back to "Well I don't like that"
He'll be Catholic within like 2 years
These are both channels that I have only recently discovered on UA-cam. This collab is unexpected yet welcome.
I really enjoyed this open discussion. I think one thing that Dillon may find helpful is studying typologies. After recently converting to Catholicism, my mind continues to be blown seeing all of the Old being fulfilled in the New. Brant Petri's books Jesus and Jewish Roots on the Eucharist and Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary are very eye opening. Brant Petri also did a video available on UA-cam on the Jewish roots of the pope. I find that the non denominational churches I attended focused mainly on the New Testament. So much is lost when we don't look at the New Testament and Covenant being a fulfillment of the Old.
Beautiful suggestion.
I wish I could share a LOT more here, but I would have to write a book. However, as a cradle Catholic I didn't study a lot of it, I just believed. However, my spouse having recently converted 4 years ago, has taught me so much. It has put me on a path where I have ravenously began to study the Bible, church history, tradition, everything I can get my hands on. The more I delve into it the more I get drawn in every manner, spiritually, my heart, mind, behaviors etc.... All I can say is go for it. Start with Bible in a Year, either podcast or in youtube format. Pray for the Holy Spirit to carry you through your challenges. And keep at it, questioning and asking God to show you more.
The problem with asking questions about Protestantism or the Protestant church is that its not one thing. Its like trying to find a cure for cancer: you have to specify which type of cancer first because they're not all the same thing.
Thus, the Catholic church is undoubtedly and clearly the One True Church of Christ❤
I grew up with Pope Paul VI's new liturgy. So, I've attended rock concerts at Holy Mass. The music diverts our attention from the liturgy to the music. Music can distract Catholics, even during the Traditional Latin Mass where a professional choir performs Gregorian Chant or Renaissance polyphony. But rock music profanes the Mass. That reminds me of what Fr. Denis Fahey wrote in a book about Christ's social kingship. Fr. Fahey said, "The world must conform to Christ, not he to it." A committee invented Pope Paul VI's novel rite of Mass to please Protestants, not to preserve the ancient Traditional Latin Mass.
Good points!
@@CameronRiecker Thank you. Now you know partly why the Traditional Latin Mass is the only one I attend.
I attend both types of mass because one of the things that hasn't changed is the Eucharist I attend novus ordo mass also use gregorian chant,, part of that may no longer follow the actual mass rubric So I attend these two types of mass Because it is valid God bless
Dillon got his answer from his own words. God told the Israelites that they don't need a king. He spoke through Moses, through the prophets, through the priests. The Pope is not the king. He is "Moses, the prophets and the priests." Christ IS the King. The Pope is the vicar.
This dude will be catholic within a couple of years. 😊
The apostle Paul in his letters to Galatian makes it very clear that we are no longer under the Old Testament and his rules and regulations. That we’re under a New Testament we are now children of faith.
What a great conversation!
Rather than come up with a new liturgy for Protestants, why not just use the original liturgy for the Eucharist that Our Lord established at the Last Supper, the Catholic liturgy? We have used it for two thousand years and it works.
I am an extraordinary minister of the Holy Communion. The Church has never used one liturgy for 2000 years. The reading of scripture (liturgy of the word) and liturgy of the Eucharist has been present throughout, but never in the same form. I'm not sure what exactly you had in mind, but please be aware of the history behind the Liturgy.
@@alisterrebelo9013 you are a minister of the Holy communion . Well a question to the question . Can a Protestant service or pastor , perform the liturgy or communion. I thought it had to be done by a priest?
@@ThatGuy-nr5sp In a Catholic Mass, the Liturgy of the Eucharist can only be performed by a priest or Bishop.
In a Protestant service depending on which Protestant denomination you are talking about, something similar will apply. Example for Anglican and Lutheran aervices, only their priests can say their version of the mass.
Does this answer your question?
@ yes that answered my question thank you.
If I may ask another question
How is an Anglican or Lutheran church able to perform the Eucharist, if they are not in communion with a catholic or Orthodox Church. I thought a priest had to be ordained by an apostolic church or bishop.
@@ThatGuy-nr5sp Great question.
In Lutheranism, they rejected the role of the Bishop as being necessary for transmission of the priesthood and bishopric. So they ceased the God made tradition of laying of hands by Bishops, both for the transmission of priests and bishops. They claim they don't need this to be able to confect the Eucharist. So from a Catholic perspective, they no longer have the ability to confect the Eucharist as this is dependent on being validly ordained by a bishop in an unbroken line of bishops going back to the Apostles.
I will talk about Anglicans next.
Excellent conversation, gentlemen. Tu es Petrus, et super hanc petram aedificabo Ecclesiam Meam, et tibi dabo claves regni coelorum...
I was raised as a Catholic went to a parochial school ,graduated from a Catholic high school. been through all the sacraments except for marriage ordination and last rights. And I can tell you I cannot for the life of me imagine going to church every Sunday and doing the exact same thing at the exact same time in a service and then walking out and calling that my due service to God.
Dillion made a great point with saying that the Catholics have division as well, but it’s perceived as only Protestants.
The doctrine of Sola Scriptura is NOT in the Bible!
Came home great at the end of the
The Catholic Church is the Church of Christ ❤️🙏
Cradel Catholic, was recruted to Jehovah, went to New age church, Baptist, became Atheist. The Shroud of turin took me back to Catholicism.
Thank you, for this very inspiring interview. Dillon is intelligent and profound in his insights. I think a whole new world will open up for him into the mysteries of Our Lord's Mystical Body. May God bless his ministry.
St. Augustine coined "Trinitas," the Latin synonym for "Trinity."
With all due respect it was Tertullian 160-230 A.D. st Augustine did write at length on the Blessed Trinity but not till around the 400’s.
@@juliathelittle7007 What word signified the Trinity in the language Tertullian wrote in? Remember, I said St. Augustine coined "Trinitas." I didn't suggest it was the only ancient word that stood for the Trinity.
It seems like this guy likes to critic but does not like being criticed
Lord forgive me when I listen to prots speak about church I nearly puke