Manstein FAILS to get to Paulus | Battlestorm Stalingrad E45
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- Operation Winter Storm FAILS as Manstein can't go beyond the Myshkova River. He cannot get to Stalingrad, and Paulus is left without any options, other than to hold on.
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ABOUT TIK 📝
History isn’t as boring as some people think, and my goal is to get people talking about it. I also want to dispel the myths and distortions that ruin our perception of the past by asking a simple question - “But is this really the case?”. I have a 2:1 Degree in History and a passion for early 20th Century conflicts (mainly WW2). I’m therefore approaching this like I would an academic essay. Lots of sources, quotes, references and so on. Only the truth will do.
There are two kinds of generals' memoirs:
1) "How I won the war by myself, while everybody around me tried to prevent that"
2) "How I nearly won the war by myself, but people around me managed to prevent that"
Nailed it
And then there's napoleon, who admitted his mistakes (Spain and Russia)
@@leonpaelinckNapoleon was such a weird person.
Napoleon: (reforms currency, improves education and infrastructure, introduces central banking, reduces corruption, creates a civil code)
Me: “Wait, that’s not what dictators are supposed to do.”
Napoleon: (takes away women’s rights)
Me: “Ah, that’s more like it.”
Fairly true, it can all be summed up in one word “hubris”.
@@leonpaelinck did he mention the disaster of the egyptian campaign in his memoirs?
i wonder what the upcoming film will make of that
So, you've decided to continue the Stalingrad series. That's another masterpiece
He needs to hurry tf up tho, we can't wait all day long, 😉🙏
He's taking his time to do a quality job 👌
A Stalingrad episode every 4 weeks until it's done!
@@TheImperatorKnight OK. I've understood. Wait TIK stands for "The Imperator Knight". I thought it stood for "Think I Know" but OK
@@TheImperatorKnight HALLELUJAH
This is one of the greatest documentary and historical efforts of our time. People don't fully appreciate the depth and magnitude of what they're watching because it's hard to appreciate how hard and how important the work you're doing unless you're an expert, someone who truly studies history or an avid enjoyer of it. God bless man, thank you for this.
Happy to be alive to witness this magnum opus being created in real time
The truly astonishing part is that he does it by himself, only having an editor. Whereas the guys from the Worldwartwo channel have whole teams supporting them.
I was very sad at the end of EP24, since Halder was gone and we lost the amazing criticisms Tik gave to these incompetent German generals. But now we have Manstein and I feel that my life is complete again.
But Halder was the reaon Barbarossa failed he went for Moscow in 1941 while Hitler wanted to go South! See Tik Fall Bleau
😂😂😂
I think simply calling the german generals "Incompetent" is just another side of the "madman Hitler" coin. Its always a bit more complex than that, and TIK ironic remarks are more a jab at the divine status wehraboos give to people like Manstein and Guderian than trying to imply they were actual morons
I don't thing "incompetent" is correct.
Manstein was not an incompetent general. The failure to reach Stalingrad was less to do with him and more to do with the Soviets making it an impossible tasl with the available resources.
However, both were VERY good at PR after the war and making it seem like they could do anything if not impeded by Hitler.
I highly doubt barbarrosa would have succeded even if halder didnt change the plans, the distance to the oil are just too great as we see happened irl.
You could even make the argument that halders meddling actually helped since it allowed the red army in ukraine to be outflanked, whereas if they stuck to the original plan maybe they would have been stuck in a grinding war of attrition in ukraine that was never going to favor the germans.
Thanks so much for the Stalingrad video TIK. We all really appreciate your hard work.
WORD!
Glad to finally receive some news of Chuikov. Enjoying a party and a relaxing swim. Glad for him! On a serious note, it's crazy that Chuikov who was such a central protagonist, is now in the background of the backgrounds of the unfolding events.
Thank you for your tireless work.
You’re leaving us a great piece of historical work, that will no doubt be studied/enjoyed for generations to come.
Great job, your work is very appreciated.
I have been watching TIk since around his MarketGarden series, and these Stalingrad vids are definitely my favs. I am immensely happy whenever one of the is released.
PS. Manstein is a living god. My source is "Lost Victories".
I think it honestly did not matter what the German commanders and Hitler did or said. Nothing they could possibly have done would have saved 6th Army. They often dithered and waffled over issuing a breakout order because they could see that it was always hopeless, that conditions would never be right for an attempt and that 6th Army was doomed, but they could not bear to come right out and say it.
Apart from the main consideration that the main mistake was having the II SS Panzer Korps in France and not available to stop Uranus on the November 19th, the strategic error from Manstein was not to launch a syncronized attack on December 14th: 1 from Hoth and 1 from Paulus. we know that Paulus did not have the fuel to do the entire run, however the Soviets did not know it and they could have collapsed from a simultaneous attack.
IMHO you have created a new form of history. It's like reading a good history without the bother of interruption to refer to the map section repeatedly. Combining these things as you have is unique, and allows a grasp of the incident unprecedented in other presentations. I've read lots about Stalingrad but never understood it in this sort of depth before. Superb work.
I have noticed a rise in this type of multi media history where we go over the explanations of operations on maps along with the narrator and absolutely love it. Other youtube channels that I have notice do this are Indy Neidell on his channel (World War Two), montemayor, Historymarche. It's probably due to a rise in computer graphics use in teaching history that we are able to get these gems.
I greatly appreciate that you are still continuing on with your exhaustive Stalingrad series, TIK. I completely understand the personal stresses that you’ve honestly let us know about. I think I speak for most of your other followers by saying that we are edified by your research and detailed exploration of such an important event. You are Top Shelf, TIK. We’ll enjoy your content at any pace that is best for you.
Be well and carry on knowing that we’re grateful for everything you enlighten us on, good sir.
Thank you TIK for your dedicated commitment to this series, as soon as I got my notification of your upload I know there's so much pain and suffering in making it. It's similar to the chesse wheel run, whereby as soon as you start it's basically impossible to stop and we are the audience watching you fall tumbling down hitting your face chasing something for our entertainment but you always manage to get back up again while we cheer you on. Keep up the fantastic work brother.
I think the problem with the two operations may be that they evolved over time as circumstances changed. Originally thunderstorm was to roll over the weak outer line like, well, a thunderstorm, and then a lightning strike to pierce the inner line and re-establish contact.
As Manstein bogs down, he changes plans, asking Paulus to do the piercing strike and meet him halfway. Paulus says he can't go that far, and needs almost a week to prepare, at best.
Then as Saturn becomes clear, Manstein recognzes he can't reach Paulus in this operation, and he can't wait a week while the Soviets 'get to Rostov'. So another change of plans, probably alike this:
1) Make a line at the Myshkova, where the immobile units can rest for the next attack.
2) Deal with Saturn
3) Return and do another major offensive towards Stalingrad (Wintergewitter 2.0)
4) Once close enough, pierce the encirclement as planned (Donnerschlag 2.0)
Of course, that would never happen. The rest is hindsight memory, where Manstein got to write the histories, Hitler did everything wrong, and OKH, logistics and the intelligence services don't tend to get focused on.
This is the best episode of Battlestorm Stalingrad yet! Make sure not to burn yourself out mate, but this is my favourite of all your content. It feels like the real historic event delivered to us unbiased, day by day, hour by hour in some cases. Really appreciate it
Every 4 weeks Stalingrad episode is very acceptable.
Well done TIK
You're an absolute powerhouse! Very grateful for you sloging it out with this continuation! Best history youtuber bar NONE.
I hope this didn't cause you to have another burnout. Thank you for more Stalingrad. Here's to your health.
Of course it did! That's why there won't be a video next week as I'll need time to recover once I get E46's screenplays done over the next few days.
For context, I've been working on Stalingrad E45 and E46 non-stop for two weeks and still have more to do on it.
I think you should join the screenwriter's strike that's going on over here; your boss gives you unreasonable work hours. Enjoy your recovery.
@@TheImperatorKnight Perhaps you are going into too much details. It is obvious that Germans were shifting the blame. It was obvious that due to Little Saturn, increased Soviet resistance in the air, numerical superiority on the ground, starvation etc ... 6th Army could not break out. You are reiterating this last 3-4 episodes. There is no need for that. You could have squeezed that into 1-2 episodes, each covering a week or so.
Maybe we should try to airlift TIK some supplies to hold him over. Or should we order a breakout so he can go out and get some fresh air? Thanks for all you do, I've learned a lot from this.
Good work. Your Stalingrad series is still the best use of the internet for military history bar none.
Small point: it's not pronounced "Vinter-jee-vitter" but "Vinter-geh-vitter"
Absolutely, I love this series, and am very glad you are continuing it at your own pace.
Thank you, TIKhistory.
Thanks a lot mr TIK, I think your decision to combine Stalingrad Battle with others topics is the best choise
It's my birthday today too, the perfect gift this video is. Thank you sir!
Ah yes, more delcious extreme deep-dive history content. Inject this right into my veins, please. Your efforts with this series are legendary, and frankly the battlestorm videos are an incredible cirricuulum of nuts-and-bolts level analysis of multiple spheres of their target topics. Bravo sir!
Are you the one they call Usal?
Manstein to Paulus "The chair is against the wall...John has a large mustache..."
Paulus is like WTF?
I remember pre-internet rushing home from work to catch a documentary on tv about Stalingrad. Over the years I've read books about the battle and seen other docs. Was always wanting more information - now down to one man's hard work we have this unparalleled document. Indebted to you Tik.
Well, we can argue about who gave which order on the frontline, but in reality, the OKW had done goofed. Logistics were a nightmare and there were just not enough Axis forces in the area. Square peg, round hole. The failure was not on the operational but on the strategic level.
Really glad you are back with another EP, as much as I like the other videos, battlestorm series are awesome as well
This will be THE definitive video documentary on Stalingrad for years to come
Hey TIK! Been looking forward to this next episode. I hope you are having a lovely day :)
Watched every episode in this series, for what that may be worth TIK. All the best.
Glad to see Stalingrad being finished. I consider it to be one of the great works of history. It has done more to explain the story of Stalingrad more than any other cursory look I've come across.
I forgot to say thank you Tik for all your hard work. Inspiring to watch.
good to see that you decided to take your time and release it when its done, not running on schedule overworking yourself to death!
Fantastic stuff, as always TIK. The supply situation for the 6th was doomed from the start, or so it would appear. Even at 300 (short) tons a day, assuming a 50/50 split of food and fuel+ammo, they'd get only a bit over 1 lb of food per man per day (slow starvation rations for young soldiers assuming a mix of flour for bread, tinned meat, and tinned jam / butter / vegetables, in harsh weather conditions, vs the fast starvation they had) and a pretty thin ammo and fuel issue. A 55 gallon drum of gasoline is....6 lb / USG x 55 gallons + assume 50 lbs for the drum = 380 lbs, so they'd get ~ 5 1/4 drums per ton, or about 289 USG (~1094 liters) per ton. That's enough to fill up about 2 Panzer IV's per ton of flown in weight per what Wiki (yeah, yeah, yeah) says is the capacity. 50 tons a day of fuel would be ~ 14,450 USG, less than a fluid ounce per man in the pocket (at 270,000 total men encircled). A US 105mm complete artillery round is ~42 lbs (a fair approximation of what the Germans would fire for purposes of approximating supply). Assuming 90 lbs for a 2 round wooden crate that's about 44-45 complete shells per ton. 50 tons of artillery ammo would therefore be about 2250 105mm equivalents (divided up, of course, between all the various calibers - 88, 20mm, 105, 150, 37, etc). US 30-06 (an approximation for the Kraut 8mm Mauser) is ~3.2 lb / 100 rounds. So 1 ton would be about 62500 rounds, about 1 per man of combat troops in the pocket. So 50 tons of nothing but rifle caliber ammo would be about 50 rounds / man / day, give or take. Those buzzsaw MG 42's the Germans had would burn 50 rounds in about a 2-3 second burst, give or take. Even with local reserves at the start of the encirclement, there wouldn't be a lot of food, fuel or ammo to go around. Plus the Russians were forcing the 6th to burn their supplies (not only ammo and gas, but food energy from the exertions of the men) with the repeated attacks all around the perimeter. The math just doesn't appear to work out.
great math, however, the Italians made the breakout on foot durinf Saturn, without tanks, and saved 130.000 soldiers. The 6th Army could have made it if Paulud had done a quick breackout on November 20-26, or on December 14. With almost 100 panzers, the 6th Army was way better placed than the Italian Alpini
Excellent presentation.
Thinking back to the Summer when the 6th Army was whole - they suffered tremendous casualties getting to Stalingrad. So expecting the ragtag remnants to sail through 35 miles of heavily defended territory to get out is just wishful thinking.
Stalingrads back❤
Me, seeing the thumbnail "Manstein FAILS to get to Paulus": "Aw darn, and I was so sure they were going to make it to Paulus this time!"
This is better than any other series on war that I’ve come across. Even though we all know exactly how this story turns out, to hear the underlying details is like watching a train derailment in slow motion. Please keep the good work up.
Man, I love this series! Keep up the great work TIK!
Well done TIK. For me, this is the definitive history of Stalingrad, and settles lots of "what ifs...." Thanks again.
This series is simply put amazing keep up the good work like all your work has certainly changed my opinions on this battle
This whole series , when it hopefully finishes, should be bought by military academies and taught rigorously.
I have lost count of the blunders , strategic ,operational , tactical, that it contains. No other series, will teach you what not to do so thoroughly!
As a result of this series, I am kicking ass on the table.
Your continued dedication to this series is legendary. Thank you so much! :)
Thanks for the Chuikov update. That guys story alone is worth the price of admission. Drunk and fell off the boat LOL.
Thanks for another top notch video TIK. We all appreciate your hard work and dedication to finishing this series.
It’s all too easy to focus on the characters in the high command, so your inclusion of reports and information from the front line soldiers are harrowing and very impactful. That letter from the soldier in the 305 IR made me remember that these videos really represent the struggle of these men, both German and Soviet.
I am so thankful that you are going forward and finishing the Stalingrad series. Your work ethic genuinely inspires me TIK. If there is anything any of us could do for you, don’t hesitate to ask. 😁
A great analysis of the failure of Winterstorm. This is the most complete picture of the battle that has occurred. Thank you for your efforts. I eagerly await the next episodes
Tik, soooo glad you came up with the solution to finish the battle storm series. Much appreciate the efforts!
So glad the series is continuing!
Your AH voice is hilarious. There are YT videos of AH talking (away from big rally speeches) and he sounds pretty normal.
I mainly do it because it'll stop people taking the audio and claiming I said the things that Hitler said, but I also do it because the voice is fun to do.
@TIK someone below says thanks for leaving us this History for generations to come,i lleft school in 1987 and my Historyt eacher was awesome best thing she done for us was record late at night and play once a week our highlight of the week was each episode of World At War.That was all i guess she had to go from at that time.I Imagine today if i was a Teacher today i would definatly show my class every single episode youve done to date!I expect thats already being done TIK.Your a Living Legend mate keep it up and pace yoursellf someone like you whos a perfectionist could burnout on everything you do mate so watch that pls for the sake of History.Once a month is perfect i hope you feel this way too :) again so plsd your back at it :)
This work you are doing on this series is majestic. I admire your efforts put in it. AND I also hope you will survive doing it. It seems almost like a lifetime work of some kind. Thanks 👍
So stoked that the Battlestorm series lives.
Keep up the great work, TIK. I learn a from every one of your videos.
Imagine partying so hard in celebration of the Cheka that you nearly die. What a hardcore Soviet.
They're all like that, but chewy deserved a blow out more than most
Chuikov nearly dies once a week, that's just par for the course for him....
@@Raskolnikov70 LOL thats so tru
TIK BEING A GOOD SPORT DOESN'T LET ME STARVE OF BATTLESTORM FOR TOO LONG! THANKS MATE! YOU LOOK GOOD!
Thank you TIK. Greetz from Czech republic. Great job.
Greatly appreciated. The 6th army certainly must have lost all hope after this. What a miserable Christmas for the lads. War is hell. It would certainly appear that this series is winding down, although there is more to come. You are very close to what once seemed an unreachable goal; the home stretch! Keep going Tik history!😊
yet another epiosde of our beloved series! thanks TIK!
Great job synthesizing all the various positions and arguments on the "breakout that never was" and laying the blame where it belongs.
I was pleasantly surprised to see Stalingrad was today's topic. It's not my favorite thing you do but the break made me appreciate it being today's video.
This series will be timeless, no doubt about it
You sure deserve a very long vacation from all this outstanding labour! Don't worry to much about how many views they generate in the present. In time this will prove to be THE document everyone referres to. Ever so gratefull.
Thanks for the video TIK and bringing clarity to a murky situation.
Fantastic!
Take your time!
No rush!
You're doing great!
I think TIK channel introduced clearly circumstances about Stalingrad disastrous and clearly ,without doubts labeled to responsibility levels of each one of Paulus ,Manstein and Adolf Hitler ...I appreciate your hard work and thank you for putting dots on words in history's records introduces....good luck and best wishes for TIK
Thank the good lord for another battlestorm episode
They came close but not quite, but realistically even if a corridor had been established would the supplies made any real difference? Would have many of Paulus's forces been able to withdraw? And at what cost in casualties to rescue them? The Soviets would have easily sealed of the corridor in my opinion. The sacrifice of the 6th Army was essential to reconstruct the Southern Front. The battle was already lost long before the rescue mission.
Was the occupation of Stalingrad even needed at all for the German objectives?
Thanks for your effort in debunking some long standing myths.
Welcome my son. Welcome to the Machine! Excellent documentary as always. Very well produced. Samuel Varela🎉
Well glad to see that I started binging this series the moment it restarted, as a historian, the amount of work that goes into each of these episodes is insane, the amount of books and primary sources you have to read is absolutely insane and then to turn around and then that into a wonderfully made video is doubly insane. Truly a work of art.
Thanks Tik. Seeing the campaign play out in this series makes it so clear. I could never get this perspective from a book. Thanks for the great work.
Thank You for another great episode of Battlestorm Stalingrad. I really appreciate your hard work.
Note to myself: once Stalingrad battestorm would be over I'm going to take few days off and binge entire series. Day and night non-stop.
Go Tik
Tatsinskaia, now that's gonna be quite the debacle, looking forward to it.
Much thanks, TIK, for you hard work, the Stalingrad series it's one of the best things in UA-cam history.
I must thank Tic History for the very interesting videos on UA-cam I found the ones I have watched very informative and entertaining.
These battlestorm series I can just rewatch over and over again and always find something new
Tik. You are great. keep doing what you are good at
Love both Stalingrad and the politics, recent Dr. Peterson was discussing about nogist movements...today. Always excellent content 👍
This has been excellent. My conclusions to Stalingrad have been skewed for years. I was actually indifferent with your Stalingrad Saga but I’ve learned so much as well as many other buffs, scholars, and teachers. I even have a copy of Manstein’s Memoirs, Master Strategist by Lemay, and a Biography all in my office that all point to other conclusions I do not agree with. Thank you Tik.
Said it before and will.say it again, the finest piece of detailed history on YT.
TIK thanks for continuing Stalingrad ❤❤
Well worth watching mate, many thanks for blowing away some of the myths and fables of Stalingrad ! again many thanks.
Yay!
First! Well done!
@@TheImperatorKnight Have you ever thought about selling some merch? That madman Hitler get out of jail card would make a great t-shirt.
I'm fairly certain putting Hitler on a shirt would not be the wisest business move in our current political climate
@@TheImperatorKnight well, you’re probably right though I suspect the Get of Jail Free Hitler would draw less criticism than than the Jesus/Hitler! 😸
Firat of all very glad to see that you are following up on this excellent production - you should be very proud. Take the following as trying to add to the narrative but it is based on 30-40 year “tales” from people who are no longer with us. My grandfather fought on the eastern front between 1941-1943 in the Italian Army (3rd Cavalry Division "Principe Amedeo Duca d'Aosta"). Being half Hungarian and speaking both German and Russian my grandfather was a part of the staff unit with responsibility for coordinating with the Germans and the local society. The CSIR was attached to Panzer Group 1 under von Kleist until 1942 and later posted on the wester part of the Don front - he survived Little Saturn. With that said, one detail that you take up in the first video but not in this one is the death of Mansteins son Gero in October of ‘42. According to the “tales”, a great part of the Army Group Don where totally paralyzed for about two weeks after Geros death. Given the information present, these two weeks seem to have been decisive for Manstein reaching Paulus. Had Manstein moved two weeks the situation could have been different. Just shows how small details can have a major impact. Take it for what it is. But it seems to make sense. Once again thank you for great work!
Pleasant to see a presenter engage so much with his audience.
I like to celebrate the release of a video by talking to people in the couple hours after release. It's a bit of a reward to myself after working so hard, and it's really the only time of the week I feel I can relax, which is why I usually crack a few jokes.
You may well be knackered mate, to me though, you look like you are in your element !! :) Fantastic work as always, many thanks :)
I follow this incredible channel from Chile. Bravo! and thanks!
Thanks for continuing the series even though it probably doesn't get as many views due to people not wanting to watch the previous 44 episodes first. Been following since the first video and it's very interesting to see it like this.
Another great video, TIK.
Thank you so much @TIK!
Doing great TIK, almost there. Yay!!!!
Fantastic! Thank you.
So happy you are back to Stalingrad!!! A magnificent video!! Thank you. So much!
The one thing that I got from watching yours and Antons Stalingrad videos is a new appreciation of how good a General Paulus was. Yes he made mistakes but most were made due to bad info or just bad luck. He seemed to be very thoughtful and cared for his men. How he even got to Stalingrad was amazing given that he was always short men and equipment and the bad decisions of the OKW
I swear Chuikov must have been using up all the luck on the entire Front...
Thank you for finishing Stalingrad this is the best documentary series on the interwebs
Press F to pay respects to 6th Army and TIK's sanity.
I don't think I have any sanity left at this point
@@TheImperatorKnightSanity, like air and food, is overrated 😏
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This Stalingrad series will stand as the definitive history of this campaign. A true Masterpiece.