Why didn’t Hitler End the War when he Failed to get the OIL of the Caucasus?
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- If the lack of oil was the main reason Germany lost WW2, then why didn't Hitler end the war when he failed to get the oil of Maikop and Grozny, which he himself said he would do? Also, Göring seems to not think the oil crisis was a problem. Why? Let's find out.
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Glad to hear too, but I think, and I know you've got a Mount Everest load of topics and subjects to cover already. A video on Hilter's loss of reality would be enlightening. As a Warhammer person, and a 40K guy, I've quite use to the idea, of massive big things happening, and the psychological impact of all that, happening and coming down on one individual, or a handful at most. Fiction stuff I know, but something like that would be illuminating. Just a thought.
Take care, and don't burn yourself out too soon. See ya next video.
Take care of yourself mate. My craving for your history class can wait.
Hitler believed in myth
Please get well soon and dont push yourself too hard whilst you're sick! I hope you take a good care of yourself
They had a food crisis because Goring ate all the food.
The German people were upset by this too, considering that most of the civilians were losing weight during the war
@@Edax_Royeaux He had the munchies
@@TheImperatorKnight It would be an interesting economic discussion to talk about the domestic food production of Germany from 1936 onwards (or whenever took power). I wonder how much industrialization the Germans did prior to the war?
There was a saying in the wehrmacht, " when Goring gets fatter, and loosens his belt, the (army) troops lose their boots for a new belt"
Voring
"What Göring thinks, and what is reality, are two separate things."
A wise quote right here
Lol
You can also say this: "What Himmler thinks, and what is reality, are two separate things." It works too, lunatic man
@@zenatti364 : Himmler was the jovial one, and could pass for Asian.
Goering was the great WWI flying Ace, but Himmler was a sort of Brainiac by comparison.
They were both pretty dumb. Himmler failed every time he was given a shred of responsibility. Goering was delusional, but at least he could accomplish simple tasks.
Himmler was so dumb he thought he could lay low for a few months and re-emerge to play a leading role in Germany’s post war government.
Wars begin when you will, but they do not end when you please. -Niccolo Machiavelli
Ironically, if Hitler had have adhered to Machiavelli's writings, he probably would have won the war.
Unless you’re America in ww2, in which case it’s the opposite.
@@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 how so?
@@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 That depends on what you consider the conditions of victory.
White Europeans 70% are dying out just like America at 57% European
After Stalingrad it was no longer Hitler’s choice to end the war.
What do you mean
@@lockinload23 I still got it.
@@lordmozart3087 because he had only one option
Unconditional capitulation
Yes, you are right. When Hitler decided to fight simultaneously on two (in fact 3) sides he decided for a zero sum war game. It was clear since the beginnings that the IIWW woudn't be more one common European military dispute about borders, old elite privileges or the possessions of colonial ultra marine assets.
Plus their economy was a disaster waiting to happen. Had all the worst traits of the dictionary definition of socialism
"My patron Elon Musk..." great beginning of any video.
Is that a guy using musk as a handle or the actual musk?
Muskrat just wants to know whether he should buy the Caucasus oil fields...
Elon would have electrified the Panzer divisions.
@@HouseholdDog German general: the Russians are attacking! Alert the panzers!
Maintenance crew: sir, the tanks have not fully charged.
@@aquilajedi it’s not the real Elon
I have read that Hitler's attitude towards ending the war was heavily influenced by his experience during the first world war, he felt the 'stab in the back' meant the German army surrendered without being defeated in the field, thus there would be no end to his war until the German army actually lost in the field.
It's impossible to know how many lives were lost due to that attitude
I heard it was in the millions
@Vincent Verona what do you mean? How was I trying to be funny?
Definitely the reason. Fight to the bitter end. No premature surrender.
@@sbevexlr848 under rated lol
@@superninjaraidingman your picture is my reaction
To be 100% honest, I have zero interest in WWII or war of any type. However, I absolutely love when my husband listens to your videos. Even when I am working in the next room, your cadence, knowledge, passion for the topic, comes through and I can't help but listen.
You do a fantastic job and I look forward to picking up the few tidbits of historical facts you share with your viewers.
Thank you!
"...and hoping that the Allies would end up fighting the Soviets with the Germans..."
Well, to be fair to Hitler, we did, but not until after the Nazis were defeated.
It would be dishonour for allies to do that. What if the Germans and Russians decided to fight allies together. The Allies at ardennes but then see we what happens. So many soldiers would come from the other side of the Rein River that they will be running for their lives in all corners of France. The point Is these sided were allied cause they needed each other to win. Exclude either and neither would conquer Germany.
The German thought was also heavily influenced by the miracle of the house of Brandenburg, where pretty much that happened, where Russia who had up until that point been an enemy of Prussia, became their ally and fought with for a short while till the Prussia fanboy Tsar got ousted and Russia out of the war.
Read up on your history. Take a look at the situation on the eastern front at the time of the D day invasion and it's obvious to anyone that the Russians already had the war won. The only thing one might counter with would be the lend lease supplies they received. Even without those they would have defeated the Germans on their own, albeit with a little more difficulty, taking more time to grind the Wehrmacht down, and of course even more casualties. After Stalingrad the fate of the Germans was sealed. Some historians have even argued that the war was lost for Germany even before Stalingrad.
@@mrjones6118 Yeah, and not the collapse of the Nazis and the continued rise of the filthy Bolsheviks against whom the Allies teamed with the Germans to subdue.
I think you misunderstood my point.
Hitler's point seemed immediate, but worked over a longer period. The Germans did team up with the other nations against the Commies. Somewhat similarly to Rasputin warning about the consequences of his death to the Czar.
Funny how history has echoes. ...almost like a carillon...
@@silvanastoeva8641 the Russians could have done it on their own
And would have cost Russia another 10 to 15 million dead but Stalin would have been willing to pay that price
Churchill said "I know history will remember me kindly, as I intend to write it myself."
Except he's being canceled today.
@@drewpamon ... By those who obviously didn't read his books.
I'm not a fan of Churchill, but it would be wrong to call him a 'Nazi' or a 'Fascist' as our Modern Monetary Racists like to call him. At one point he was the only leader in Europe actively fighting against Fascism and Nazism. That's not to say that he didn't have Fascist leanings (he did), or that he didn't do bad things (he absolutely did), just that we need to be precise in our language and not paint with broad brushstrokes.
@@drewpamon keep believing the bullshit you are being fed by the right on Facebook. No one wants to cancel Churchill, but we are allowed to challenge the myths propagated by the last 70 years of the establishment.
My point was that autobiographies - and biographies - are often terrible sources, as they were written to defend (or attack) - they are not neutral. First-hand remarks are also not neutral.
Some criminal defendants' pleas are the greatest works of fiction devised by man.
If you start a war, I don't think you can just end the war and go home when things start going badly. I think it is called retreat. The other side will keep coming after you.
Exactly lol.
Especially in a situation like Germany's. Regime change becomes the only real acceptable end for the enemy combatants when you have made it clear your end goal is not only complete domination/annexations/puppeting, but that any peace would simply be a break before attempting again.
Napoleonic France, Nazi Germany, Imperial Germany, most civil wars. These states would likely not have simply given up on their goals if midway through the war they sued for peace. They also had reason to think their opponents also knew this - every single attempt by the Nazis to agree a negotiated peace involved regime change and removal of Hitler.
You could also argue that this works in reverse. Nazi Germany absolutely intended to remove or diminish British, French etc sovereignty and to place different governments into power. Either puppet autocracies or controlled democracies. The Allies had the same intentions and this wasn't a secret.
There's examples otherwise obviously, but usually to avoid a larger war in a limited conflict. If the war is already near-total, negotiated peace is very difficult for both sides.
So what about Japan when they did a surprise attached on the US and then make the US sue for a negotiated peace in Japans terms. What about that example?!
@@jdee8407 Japan was already waging war before that due to their invasion of Manchuria, the attack on Hawaii was in conjunction with that. It allowed Japan to go after the oil in Southeast Asia without the US interfering with those plans, I don't think Japan was willing to give up those conquests to have peace with the US.
I've read that Goering felt the war was lost when allied fighters were able to escort bombers over Berlin.
They had to practically fill the body of the Mustang fighter with gasoline, as well as the wings, to accomplish that. A bizarre and dangerous thing.
Ironic that the Axis were sitting on huge oil reserves in Libya .
Bad for them they did not know there were oil in Libya at that time. If they had attacked Saudi-Arabia instead of Caucasus they would also have had enough oil.
@@NUMMEHARBEN To get to SA they would have had to conquer the Caucasus and/or Libya anyway.
@@NUMMEHARBEN they likely would have had to go through Egypt for that. Also incidentally this is where the British sent all there tanks and most of the Indian and Australian Reinforcements.
The British considered the Suez canal the same as the Americans consider the Panama canal. Absolutely vital to the strategic health and life of the empire. So good luck getting there with out 1 taking ( malta) ( they almost did ( tik has a video I think on this)) and investing alot of time and resources into the north African campaign. Also I do not think Saudi-Arabian oil was discovered until after the war was over and the cold war had begun.
@@gmanbo The first oil discovered in Saudi Arabia was in 1938, but its extent was realized until after the war. I doubt that Saudi oil was on anyone's radar at that time. Germany needed an already developed oil field. Anyway they lacked the expertise or time to develop a raw oil field no matter how big. Another problem is that Germany needed a navy in order to fight in the Middle East. They couldn't get supplies across the Mediterranean consistently. That is why they lost in Egypt.
@@anthonymendoza931 I am pulling from Tik here when he looked at Malta. When it was doing well the brits did well. As in it was able to interdict the supplies that Rommel needed in Africa. The Italian fleet early in the war was a threat until the admiralty lost there nerv. several Drak videos videos point to this issue.
The big issue is that that air field on Malta allowed the British to use air to take out the supply lines from Italia. If the Germans early in the war had focused Malta down like they did with the invasion of Crete. Cutting off all supply and then landing that would have enabled Air superiority in the mid Mediterranean. I did not know about German's lack of understanding in oil production. My basic point I think stands though to the oil in the gulf region was out of reach for the Germans unless they controlled Egypt. Egypt the hill that Churchill was going to either die or triumph on.
I understand that the Italians and the Germans did not have enough supply ships but not having them nocked permanently from Malta would have allowed for a more fully secure supply route and would have freed up resources.
Goering routinely overestimated his capabilities with the Luftwaffe. It's probably fair to assume that he overestimated German ability to use what they had.
Just recall how Goring behaved when he was captured. He held court with the press and acted like a bigshot. I've seen evidence that the American soldiers who captured him were some combination of awed or bullied by him. He seemed truly stunned when higher ups ordered him arrested, stripped of his distinctions, and denied access to the press. Such a personality will typically attempt to spin his story to mislead his captors. No surprise that he would lie later on.
I was waiting for this video. I get this questions quite often. Thanks TIK!
Would be interesting to hear your take on this
Such question would ask only a child who heard for WW2 for the first time. But for someone who knows the history of WW2 and of Nazi regime, the question doesn't make any sense whatsoever. So, next time you get such question, you'll know you don't need to be bothered with it.
@@damyr What a pretentious take.
@@CrumbledCheese What a fatuous comment.
@@damyr Your logic is so lazily flawed. You just want to come across as some sort of all-knowing history chad. People ask questions to learn new things. No one knows everything and your pretentious better-than-thou attitude is literally the history buff caricature people make fun of.
Damn Tik, the way you bark the german quotes makes me want to clean my room.
-Reichskommisar Jordan Peterson ordering his troops to "Clean your room bucko" Circa 1942
I wiped most of the crumbs off my tee shirt.
@@MrMurica "Generalanweisung des Reichskulturministers zur sofortigen und unmittelbaren Mängelabstellung betreffend Schmutz und Ordnung im Rahmen des eigenen Wohnraums"
google translates it perfectly
@@InvertedGigachad Sonderkommando Staubsauger....... ;-)
TIK, you've awoken an interest in history, and ever since I watch your. Videos, read books. Etc
Thakk you so Much!
That's great to hear! My ultimate goal is to get people interested in history, reading it and debating it, so I'm glad to see that you (and others) are doing just that
TIK this is by far one of your greatest theoretical beliefs regarding the German war effort when it comes to retrieving oil for the military operations in the East. You back it up with facts as well as written documentations to support your claim(s). I've been a fan of the War in the East for as long as I been reading about it. It never gets old as we have military enthusiasts as yourself that cotinine to do investigative research on these topics. I'm an African American self proclaimed historian who has 36 books on Stalingrad alone not to mention the stories of the Eastern Front I keep in my Kindle. I'm a long time fan. Keep up the good work as you will be hearing from me more.
You have to remember too that Goering was fairly seriously addicted to morphine by the time of the D-day landings in Normandy. His own judgement was clouded for the remainder of the war, and it was not until the allies detoxed him after his surrender that he returned to reality.
Now tno makes sense
Although both Hitler and Goering definitely had their racist socialism belief firmly embedded in their warped minds before the war. Goering was a lifelong morphine, heroin, oxycodone, and like opiate addicts, they must dose at least one time a day, or suffer debilitating withdrawal symptoms that paralyzes the addict. He was a junkie from the failed beer hall coup. Hitler became a poly abuser, from him meeting Dr. Theodore Morrell. Starting with simple harmless vitamins, glucose, and probiotics. Vitamaltin contained vitamin supplements, and methamphetamine(Perventin). Morrell's medical record of patient A(Hitler)contained at least 78 different drugs the the Further was given. The methamphetamine, cocaine, and Eucadul(oxycodone), various barbiturate tranquilizers, all in their pure forms must of put Hitler, who had major personality disorders and paranoid political ideologies, probably made him so delusional that he was incapable of having any moments of clarity. This is so overlooked in the history of Hitler. The last 3 years of his life, he was a severe addict. The last year of his life, Morrell injected the Nazi leader with 20mg of Oxycodone. He was introduced to pure cocaine, produced by the pharmaceutical company Merrick, after the July 20 bomb explosion that burst his eardrums. He was injured worse than the Nazi's reported. He was extremely medicated, with the classic speedball effect. I don't believe that he had Parkinson's. I think that his trembling was a result of his extreme narcotic dependence. Surely he was in severe withdrawal in the final days in the bunker. The fat Goering was so diluted that he drove his car and entourage to surrender to the Western allies, with the entire Oxycodone supply that was left in Germany. Is it any wonder that the Nazi regime was doomed. National Socialism, like any type of socialism will fail, add the 2 highest ranking Nazi's hopeless dope feinds. The mother of all paradoxes. The superhuman Aryan. What a ignorant ideology. Through in the drug abuse of Hitler and Goering, it's no wonder that the regime was so criminal, and Hitler wanted to take the fallen regime and blame the German people for his disaster that he created, and destroy the whole country's interstructer. 1000 years won't even to begin to erase the guilt of this regime.
@@michaelstanton7904 what u just wrote literally explains it all in one nutshell. Amazing writing it all boils down to what u said. The fact that this happened less than 100 years ago boggles my mind.
@@michaelstanton7904what you just wrote is utter trash. This obsession with labeling thegerman leadership as all seriously flawed addicts having constant mental episodes is not historical. Goreing was an addict yes and yet he was still a genius level iq when the allies tested him. Hitler was not screaming 24/7 and delusional. He went from pauper to chancellor in 15 years. His judgement was the major reason why Germany held on for years longer than they had any right to. If you examine the decisions of any leader none of them make immensely successful ones 100% of them time. If you want to understand history stop pathologising them as cartoon vilians and look at them as men
Goering was from conservative circles, his adoptive father was nobleman and his Nazi conviction was many times disputed by Goebbels or even Himmler. He was opportunist and pretty tepid supporter of Nazi racial cause. That doesn't mean he was innocent, far from it, but some of his views make more sense when seen from that perspective. He hated Goebbels, despised Himmler and his connection with Hitler was weakening as war went on. He was more WWI German nationalist than Nazi.
I remember reading some article where it alleges molotov and Ribbentrop had a meeting in 1943 after Stalingrad debacle. It was in some Ukrainian town called kirovograd in German occupied territory. The German condition was to draw the new border along the dnieper line but Molotov refused and insisted on the old border. The Germans even then didn’t believe that total defeat was possible.
But one former red army officer who I had opportunity to talk to said yes there was a very big rumor at that time.
There are also confirmed reports of a meeting requested in neutral Sweden in ‘43 by a soviet ambassador (possibly Molotov but someone else I believe) but that didn’t go through apparently. Hitler was stated as saying in Sept. ‘43 shortly after Kursk that if he made peace with the Soviet’s he would only be back to blows again tomorrow so there was no point in his mind. He also had a similar discussion with Himmler a month later in October allegedly.
@@kobold7763 It was the Soviet ambassador in Sweden, Madame Kollontai. Ribbentrop got a German diplomat in Sweden, Hans Thomsen, to meet with her in April 1943. But Ribbentrop said he lacked approval from Hitler to have his representatives present a specific peace offer. Ribbentrop had suggested a peace plan to Hitler in a memo, but Hitler reportedly threw it into the garbage.
Be well, Tik, we appreciate your efforts.. Thanks for posting..♥
Hard to stop when you are winning and have no choice when you are losing.
Take Albert Speer as an excellent example about making his own story up.
I read his book and it seems clear that he is just writing to please the victors maybe that was the deal for his life. But the book “Ten Years And Ten Days” by Karl Dönitz is a much better book. It seems he wrote his book not caring who will like it or not including the victors
Care to give any examples?
Could have boiled Goering down to Blubber and refined that for enough Fuel to reach Vladivostock ;-)
Hey, didn't the Germans boil peop-
...nevermind
@Justus Immelmann One area where Germans are NOT head and soldiers above the rest: banter. Lighten up
The interview with Goring is very insightful on how incompetent and crazy the inner circle of the Reich really was. Hitler blew Dunkirk. Goring blew the air battle against Britain. The kleptocratic brutality of the Third Reich made failure inevitable.
No they still almost won in 1942
@@briannichols9491not even close Soviet union would destroy peak germany in a few years
You’re only getting 1 side of the story
If Adolf surrendered I’m sure some soldiers would feel “stabbed in the back”… no, Germany had to undeniably lose this war.
Why did you not stop fighting after loosing the oil fields?
-Georing: dude I was so high I didn't know what was going on.
Yeah he was a morphine addict.
Hitler was also abusing drugs and out of his mind by the end of the war.
And Himmler was a total loony, lost in his own rabbit hole of cartoonish spiritual world full of mystical lands, mythological creatures and magical powers. To sum it up, the story of Nazi Germany is the story of deranged human psyche.
@Vlad Vlad There's plenty of evidence to support that Hitler committed suicide with his new wife (Braun). Borman was confirmed dead in the 1990s with DNA. It took so long because he was shot in the street and his body wasn't identified at the time. Himmler suicided after being caught. Eichmann was caught and executed many years later. Out of your list, only Mengele managed to escape then live out a full free life. That was mostly due to luck because they had countless opportunities to capture him. They would later dig up his body to confirm his identity.
Btw, the Nazis never had atomic weapons nor any chance of making them before USA. That's just silly to imagine. They did have good scientists, and this led to impressive tanks, V rockets, and the first combat jet. But atomic research just wasn't a priority for them at the time. Saying they lost the atomic race would imply there was a race in the first place. There really wasn't. Only USA actually focused on atomic research during the war. Their best scientists were actually German refugees (hur hur).
@Vlad Vlad stop watching the "history" channel conspiracy theories have rotted your brain
@Vlad Vlad The allies believed Hitler escaped because that's what the Russians told them at the time. Russia covered it up and told people he escaped. Their had their own political reasons for doing this, but they already confirmed and knew he was dead for a long time. Bormann's body was discovered in 1945 btw. He didn't live for any amount of years afterwards.
I'm done wasting time with you now. You seem content to make up rubbish that totally contradicts proven history without actually backing it with anything. Perhaps you should stick to video games.
A fight isn't over until your opponent agrees it is.
The main reason Hitler kept going was to save himself as long as he could. No way he would ever consider surrendering, because he knew he would be held accountable for his crimes. He had no empathy for the trials and tribulations of the Germans. He even denounced them near the end as not being worthy.
You have hit the nail on the head. My comment about Hitler and Gorring living in the clouds is on the fringes. Self preservation is basic in humanity.
My father, a WWII vet, always said that we won the battle of production to defeat the Nazis. Oil was one major component. Tanks, airplanes, liberty ships and manpower all were important. We supplied thousands of trucks to Stalin to move his troops . And Spam. Army travels on its stomach. Japan had the same problem when they lost Indonesia, they lost their oil.
Japan lost their oil when their tankers were sunk by US submarines. They had lost the war long before they started losing Indonesia.
One real driving force was the “unconditional Surrender” policy. Had it not been a stated policy, it certainly would have made it harder for the US and Britain to keep the alliance with the USSR, and therefore make it harder for the US and Britain or the Soviets to have an armistice with the Nazis. At the same time, it seems obviously that it made a coup to overthrow the Nazis harder. If more generals had been involved in the strike against Hitler, an end of the war was more likely and with the Soviet still far from central Europe.
Funnily, Japan never again had as much oil PRESENT IN JAPAN as they did just before Pearl Harbor. It lacked the shipping to get the oil, and oither strategic commodities, to Japan.
@@thomaslinton5765Japan should've ended the war with China.
Japan held Indonesia until they surrendered lol
Before watching this entire video, I would say, that ending the war was not a choice for Hitler to make.
After the Casablanca conference of January 1943 (the Allied unconditional surrender demand) Germany had no real other option than to fight on in the hope of some miracle to occur, like what happened to
I remember another Goering quote where he said that when he observed American P51 Mustangs over the clear skies of Berlin in April 1944 (unopposed and in broad daylight) he knew the war was lost.
....like what happened to Frederic the Great.
that quote was most likely fabricated by the Allies so that the victory could be assigned to them instead of the Soviets.
@@artyomarty391 True. The Soviets crushed them.
Read "The End" by Ian Kershaw, which is an entire book devoted to the very question Elon Musk asks, why Germany fought to the end. For example, in Italy, the Grand Council and monarch were able to depose Mussolini, but Germany there were no councils, monarchs, or legislature strong strong to challenge Hitler. He points out Unconditional Surrender was a minor factor.
@The Colonel Spot on Colonel. We have to remember that in 1943 WWI had only been over for 25 years and Europe and the USA had spent the 1930's trying to placate despots in the attempt to avoid another bloodbath re:1914-1918, in the span of 20 years+/-. When the Allies and Axis became fully engaged in December 1941 the die was cast that the Axis, and Germany in particular, was going to answer for the first war and the present hostilities and the lesson would be harsh and the punishment would be plentiful. There was no way the world opinion would be satisfied until the Axis had paid their pound of flesh, and IMHO rightfully so.
In ‘Hitlers War’ by David Irving, its clear that Hitler told his leadership that, following the failing of Case Blue and Kursk, Germany could not sue for peace until they achieved a strong victory, thus increasing their negotiating power. Hitler said they cannot sue for peace while they were suffering defeat after defeat, only when they stabilised the situation with some strategic victories.. which never happened.
@@Gmac86. Double Check everything David Irving said!
@@InternetDarkLord I read ‘The End’ and thought it was disappointing.
@@Gmac86. I haven't read "The End" in years.Why were you disappointed?
Actually, there were three fronts: Brits and Americans fought in Italy as well. Greetings from the Netherlands.
I can just imagine let's have a ceasefire and sign off on that. The Soviets would be thinking yeah just like the non aggression pact we signed.
Exactly. Hitler signed his death warrant by breaking every agreement he ever made, at his convenience.
@@RemoteViewr1 Which is also the main reason why the Brits, notably Churchill, doesn’t trust him (Hitler) when Hitler wanted peace with the Brits, ever since Hitler broke the munich agreement it is clear he is not someone that worthy of trust in international affairs.
@@firemangan2731 It goes beyond Hitler too. Due to the stab in the back myth of the WW1 peace, there was never going to be a situation where Germany is once again offered a peace treaty by the western allies. They had beaten them in the previous war, but the Germans didn't get the message. That is the main reason for Unconditional Surrender, the Allies would make it clear in no uncertain terms that Germany was completely defeated in the war.
I absolutely love the different perspectives that you use to approach subjects that some are afraid to talk about and debate over.
A very different approach and a much enjoyable way to learn more about the history of our world.
The axis didn’t actually start losing until Steiner didn’t do his offensive. They could’ve won otherwise
Ref from Iron Cross ?
Nah, they last in a war of attrition. Compared to those of Germany, American and Soviet resources were unlimited.
Fegeliein! Fegelein! Fegelein!
DAS WAR EIN BEFEHL!!
@@beback_ DER ANGRIFF STEINERS WAR EIN BEFEHL
Ardennes Offensive tank commander to division - "We need oil for the trip"
Division - "Here's a siphon hose - best of luck to you".
When it comes to wars of attrition, logistics and resources win the day...and the war. I remember reading an old WW2 book published decades ago (the title escapes my mind, but the quote I'm about to recite doesn't). It was a German soldier who had his first skirmish with American soldiers. The Germans won the skirmish, but the German soldier noticed something when he saw his first dead American soldier. More or less the quote went like this, "the American had two chocolate bars on him and his boots were new. We were hungry and our boots were worn out. At that moment is when I knew we were going to lose the war." Chocolate bars and new footwear may seem trivial, but it's definitely indicative of much more important things and that astute German soldier saw the writing on the wall.
Everything was fine until the Ardennes? what drugs did Goering take?
Opiates
All of them I believe.
Did he asleep "Operation Bagration", german army group Center wanish under Red Army offernsive.
Despite Model in charge , best troops Reich had there and plenty of time to dug in and make strong defence line.
The best Reich troops had had , wanish, 500 000.
What was he thinking when he said THAT? He HAD to have slept through Overlord, Bagration, the Falaise collapse, AND the Polish Uprising.
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Model wasn't in charge until the s.it hit the fan. Army Group Center was a hollowed out force that had little mobile reserves, they were south with Model and called in when the front had all but collapsed. This is not to belittle the brilliance of the Soviet offensive, it clearly showed that they had learned their lesson.
Thx for these awesome videos I love watching them every time they come out. I don’t know how you don’t have more views
I'm glad you're enjoying them! I think part of the reason why I don't get more views is because I engage in historical debates. Many falsely believe that this is "wrong" because they don't have a firm grasp of history theory, which says that the debates are what make it happen. There's a school of historical thought (largely continental-European) that believes that you should just "stick to the facts", even though we can logically demonstrate that the "facts" don't answer certain questions like "when did the turning point of WW2 happen?" We have the "facts", but the only way to get the answer is to debate it.
And by engaging in debates, and taking sides in those debates, I become "controversial". Again, people falsely assume that a historian must remain "objective" and "non-biased", which is a theoretical impossibility. And the "controversial" topics not only annoy people and cause them to unsubscribe or not view the videos, but also land me in trouble with UA-cam, which I can definitely show are suppressing some of my videos (like the Greek video).
Also, if you type in "TIK history" into Google, you'll probably find links on the first page to Reddit where the Marxist-echo-chamber of r/BadHistory have written hit-pieces against me, as well as "Pakistan Defence" website. This is off-putting to new viewers and potential viewers who have no idea whether I'm trustworthy or not. They'll see these hit-pieces and assume there's some legitimacy to them, which I would say there isn't.
The other part of it is because of the channel name. "TIK" is hard to find on UA-cam due to "TikTok". People may also assume that I'm part of TikTok or something.
Also, I don't do collaborations (I've done 1 video with MHV and one with Anton Joly). So viewers have to find me by word of mouth.
And finally, my strategy was never to get the "views" or the "subscribers". My strategy was to make good history and rely upon pledges from my viewers. My belief is that decent historical videos will bring people to the channel, and keep them watching. So I'm not here for the views... I mean, I obviously want people to watch the channel, so views are important in that sense... but it's about the history, not the views. That's why I put out content that I know won't get many views - the history comes first.
@@TheImperatorKnight yeah that’s definitely true. I would also say that you cover the topic of history very in depth, which a lot of viewers are not very interested in. But I like the community you’ve built around it 👍
The whole bit at the end about critical evaluation of sources is why the study of history, if for no other reason, is valuable.
Another great video, thank you for the clarity and research.
Nice to see new content Tik. I'm switching back to the European front after being focused on the Pacific for my job. Focused on the Battle of France for the next few weeks. May I use your video from last year as a source? Hope you are well!
I've no problem with you using my videos as a source, but bear in mind that these are technically tertiary sources (or secondary sources, depending on which video) so I'd recommend you read through the sources I used too. That way you're not just taking my word for it, but are agreeing with my assessment of the sources based on your own reading of the same sources.
@@TheImperatorKnight Way ahead of you on that. Just ordered Blitzkrieg Legend. Read it last year, and wanted a copy for my library. Have some older works like Alistair Horne, and newer ones like Ernest May and Robert Foczyk. Should balance it out. Will hopefully make it into a podcast when all is said and done. Cheers!
@@TheImperatorKnight Used your videos as source sources as well. Thanks for always including a detailed bibliography :D
TIK, the point of the Ardennes Offensive was diplomatic: to present the Western Allies with the prospect of Communist tanks in the Netherlands - and maybe even on the Channel. The idea is to force the WA to negotiate with the Nazis, and maybe even provoke a war with the Soviets.
Another excellent discussion of WW2 history and the conflicting viewpoints among people who debate the major issues. Thank you.
I'm lucky enough to have had grandparents serve in the first and second world wars.
It was fascinating to listen to my grandmother, grandfather and great grandfather speak about their experiences with the German people and the German soldiers, one of my great grandfathers act blamed the way the German people and country were treated after the end of the 1st World War, he did not condone Hitler, but he explained how easy it would have been to taken in by the nazi party of the 30s, I'm of German and British heritage and I'm proud of both my family lines.
Great job. Elon needs to shorten his questions next time.
Haha yes, probably. His second question is long too. Although, it does depend, because he did put in quotes and things like that, which is fine. He basically presented an argument against my oil-video, then asked me to reply to it, which is fine
@@TheImperatorKnight Point and counterpoint discussions? In CURRENT YEAR? Nonsense!
@Fake Playstore You're right! We need to muzzle-up 😷
That is what a real letter looks like asking a real question. Not that anyone today would recognize it.
Bearing in mind that Elon already condensed the question, the power cut which killed his first attempt may have been a blessing in disguise. Yet actually it was a cute question and well argued. TIK answers it in a lot of depth and covering most if not all of the points raised; treating it respectfully as a fair question. I hope Elon Musk at least found the answer interesting and worthwhile, even if he doesn't agree with the counter-argument.
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I'm not denying Goering was a raging anti semite, but surely this quote is an example of mere cold-blooded economic pragmatism.
The quotation literally laments that 1. Jews had rights (to economics compensation, and 2. It puts the lives of Jews lower in the priority list than the financial hit to insurance companies. That is racially-motivated economic "pragmatism." What benefits the economy most is if people are free to trade and their stuff is safe from destruction. :) Let me know if you disagree.
@@GeluTavi I don't think we're in disagreement over anything. During Kristallnacht german vigilantes smashed up Jewish property, property which the Reichsmarshall would rather have seen seized by the state.
This was what he was complaining about.
And in a normal economy I suppose your last point is correct, but for the purposes of mobilization the nazi's clearly benefited in the short term by robbing part of the population so they could pour more money into the armed forces.
Thank you for sharing your research TIK ❤️ Love your Vlogs and knowledge 👍
Great comprehensive History, Tik.
Thanks very much.
UA-cam is losing its mind. I watched this shortly after you posted, and now ten hours later, I'm getting another notification that this has been uploaded.
This isn't the first time either.
I came across this site by chance and find your assessments very interesting, particular in light of discussions with my late father who fought on the Eastern Front in the period you refer to. I can tell you that from his recollections that the fuel shortage was dire. His role was to supply the front and return the wounded to field hospitals. He informed me that many of the vehicles (trucks) were operating on "wood gas" and not diesel. It was also the first time I heard anyone mention the turning of loyalties by senior officers. My father, who was under command of General Paulis and Marshall Monaheim had sufficient fire power to negotiate their own terms of surrender, ie to the Brittish, and not to the Russian forces. He also said that overtures had been made to the Allies to join forces in return for their subsequent surrender in order to push the Russians back out of central Europe. Because he lived in Eastern Germany (Dresden) this was a matter close to his heart. He (my Father) escaped to the West around 1946/7 after the East/West German border was errected. He (my father) was born 1908 -1987 and was in his early to mid thirties at this time. He also believed that on refusal of Allies to join them in repelling the Russian army from the east all remaining effort was thrown at the Russians to prevent them from getting a greater foothold in Cental Europe, and that the Allies were given accelerated passage via minimal resistance to end the war in the belief that the Russian's would keep only what they had captured and no further after the imminent defeat. This may explain Goerings interview a bit more clearly where he highlights the failure of various Generals to properly carry out their orders. He was pobably right. Many enlisted soldiers and officers where not NAZI sympathisers, and many regarded the war was madness, unnecessary and wasteful of both life and resources. Continued fighting on in the East front appears to be the German's attempting to get the best deal from an imminent loss and adds weight to the idea that the troops were not continuing to fight for the NAZI cause, but rather an attempt to salvage what they could from the loss.
Marshal Manstein?
@@thomaslinton5765 "Mannerheim (1867-1951) charted the course of Finnish history and was voted greatest Finn of all time. He served in the Russian Imperial Army for decades, and later became a war hero in his home country of Finland. He was the symbol of the Finnish struggle against Soviet Russia during the Winter War of 1939-1940."
@@martinhahnheuser4752 Thank you for trying to expand my knowledge of Finnish history. But he did not spell his name "Monaheim" and was nowhere near Paulis, leading to my guess that you measnt Manstein, who DID serve on the southern portion of the Ostfront. 1. I taught military history at Ohio State University; 2. I am a patron of the Finnish Heritage Museum, Fairport Harbor, Ohio. Ei kysyvä tieltä eksy.
Great Vid!! Totally enjoyed especially the quotes of Hilter. TY!!!
Excellent. Same comment as to other videos: it is a privilege to salute you for your erudition, clarity and guts.
Even when your topic is mostly "dry". Your representation, argument and explanation makes this realy interesting how to analyse history and the written word :-)
Ultimately Hitler fell foul of the problems which plague *all* autocracies: The need to prize loyalty above competence. Note Goering's fixation on the generals "betraying" Hitler, and refusal to acknowledge facts that a dispassionate observer would describe as readily evident.
@Matthew Clark A democracy is *by definition* not a meritocracy.
Always the way you, TIK, discuss historiography is excellent. Truly splendid. We can only pursue understanding by seeing what we do and do not know, and how we know.
I've begun to really appreciate your channel. You maybe lack the delivery of Indy Neidell haha, but you go into depth in a way some of us are hungry for. There's nothing more I can learn from tv documentaries and has been the case for many many years. Thank you for all the detail.
The fact that war production INCREASED after 1942 and during bombardment shows how terrible their planning was
They seriously thought the war would end fast
Not sure why Musk mentions the “nuclear program” - Germany only took some first steps and never really started one, did not have the resources in any case.
Always wondered whether German scientists were purposely bungling scientific progress by diluting resources and proposing ridiculous numbers of worthy goals to pursue. It just seems that there wasn't a single divergent rabbit hole left that wasn't plunged into!?
No so both sides found a few different place where they where work on a nuclear weapon but not they didn't have everything they needed in one place
Hitler, Goering, etc. had a limit to the amount of money and manpower they could dedicate to various projects. Hitler wanted results that were guaranteed to affect the war and viewed nuclear as being speculative. That's why Hitler dedicated the war resources to the V-1 buzz bomb and V2 rocket. Both had rapid development and could be used in the war quickly. The German uranium program was fragmented with two different groups pursuing research independent of each other. Heisenberg was in charge of one program, and since they did not have an operative reactor could not do fission research. If you read the Farm Hall transcripts, Heisenberg did not have a clear understanding of fast neutron reactions and did not understand the scale required for uranium separation, and also did not understand the production of plutonium.
What makes you think Elon knows anything other than where to get $$$$ The connections that get the rich $ is what makes them rich They don't invent or do anything amazing they are. Just well connected middle men
Hitler under funded the nuclear program because he associated nuclear with Einstein and thought of it as Jewish science.
Great video thank you.
These videos are just brilliant.
The one thing that sticks in my mind is this ...even when Hitlers world was tumbling down around his head ...he stuck in a bunker in Berlin never never allowed Phosgene , chlorine and Sarin to be used on the battlefield........so how bad were his memories of the First World War gas attacks if he refused to launch gas attacks in March or April 1945?
Maybe not that bad of a guy after all?
He knew that the Allies still had enormous stocks of chemical weapons left over from WW1 and Germany did not, and German intelligence thought the Americans had something like Sarin themselves (not knowing that their research on organophosphates was for use as insecticides), so he thought that expanding the war to chemical warfare would only make things worse for Germany.
Short answer: you can't just stop the war when you are losing. It was a fight-or-surrender situation. And...with all war crimes in its path...surrender would mean execution of the high ranking staff.
Hi, this is my first video I have watched of yours. Good stuff. I have subscribed.
Excellent, thank you
Hey TIK,
I recently found a nice band of books in my school library, that is about The War Diary of the OKW ( Oberkommando der Wehrmacht, War diary of the High command of the Wehrmacht) by Percy. E. Schramm. The series has 8 books, going over the years from 1940-1945.
I have only read through the first book, so I don't know if this goes for the other books as well, but it was build by having the first 240 pages or so be the first part, explaining the Situation around that time, who the guy was that wrote the war diary, how the OKW was built and communicated with itself. It also gives a lot of insight into many Thoughts the Generals had and in what ways Hitler intervened with the planning. It was interesting to find out that Hitler almost didn't intervene in military planning during the poland campaign at all and just started intervening in the campaign in the west. There I found that Göring played a big role in stopping the push towards Dunkirk, because he wanted the Luftwaffe to also get praise and actually goes a bit into depth why that happened.
In the second part of the first book it is the actual War Diary, day by day.
I think that what i have read from the book series, that it is very intersting and also gives a lot of insight, but there is a Problem:
I don't know if there is an english version. But if you ever find something that is named like this, by Percy E. Schramm, then i hope it would interest you as well. In case you are interested, i wish you good luck on your search and i hope you find something. If not, then at least i was able to tell you that thing about dunkirk.
Also to add to the video i can say that i do also think that it had a lot to do with the "Dolchstoßlegende" aka. the "Stab in the back legend", but also that Hitler and a lot of other generals were in denial. Especially Hitler. A lot of people say that Hitler was just delusional and mentaly ill, but i would say that thsi view of him only really applies to late war Hitler. Earlier I don't think that he was suffering from any illnesses.
But if we think about how Hitler tried to "save the world" in his world view, by destroying the jewish race, yadda yadda yadda, you did a video on it, you know what i mean, then it must have been crushing for him to live with the fact that the now winning allies are going to want to get revenge and that he won't be able to save germany. Imagine trying to save the world, by attacking the most eviliest thing you think is on this planet, to not only try to never be able to harm your people again (by being self sufficient) but to then fail at achieving that and then having to live with the knowledge that the big bad thing is going to crush you. How could anyone live with knowing that, so i dont think it is to weird to see why hitler was in comlete denial and tried to fend off as long as in any way possible.
As far as I know, it has never been translated into English in full and published as such. Some extracts have been translated and are kept in U.S. public records. (That's just going off the top of my head).
@@ajsimo2677 aw, well. I mean the books are relatively old, not anything new, but still. They are really interesting in the end
@@illjan Indeed :)
If you think you're free of delusions, you're deluding yourself.
If you think Hermit Oldguy is trolling, you're probably right :P
Doubtful anyone during the era of total war would “end the war” due to logical analysis - will always continue and invest in the idea of victory no matter what the situation.
Yeah, it was total war, not limited war. If it was limited war, UK would have negotiated peace, and potentially kept their empire and Great Power Status.
As it was, the old powers and imperial system was finally laid to rest, and the USA became the world's superpower, with the USSR as the Boogeyman of Europe, and Nuclear War as the limiting Sword of Damocles.
BTW, I really like your format. You have a rare talent.
Haha, I just realized the way you use such great voices when you read out loud reminds me of Thomas & Friends. But for grown up kids. =)
Just wanna say that i loved the video!
Goering was a fanatic and completely detached from reality.
He reminds me of a manager or director of a company. Who thinks that his workers are idiots or lazy and that the job would get done "if only they listen to my brilliance."
Most managers are like that so Goering, in fact, is not uncommonly fanatic and completely detached from reality.
The Soviets tasted victory and were not gonna stop until they were in Berlin. I think Hitler knew this and thought "I have to grind them to a halt before they get here, even if I have to put every single German in front of me"
Then they should have allowed the British and Americans to get there first
I've been trying to read those books over his left shoulder there on the top shelf, the ones on Stalingrad, but being on Disability they are way out of my price range. No libraries by me carry them either. Another excellent video!!
Well done, sir!
"Then why didn't Hitler end the war when he failed to get the oil of Maikop and Grozny?"
How can you just END the war which you fight against someone else? by calling quitsies?
And the Soviets be like "Alright, go ahead! We don't mind".
It’s happened on countless occasions throughout history, limited war aims were always the norm, WW1 and WW2 were the exceptions.
Hitler: 'I declare THE END OF THE WAR'
The Allies: 'You cannot just say the end fo the war and be done with it'.
Hitler: 'I didn't just say it, I declared it'.
You have an armistice like the ending of WW I.
An interesting thing to remember is that memory is mutable, and that everyone can and do misremember information
After the painter had died, everybody could throw as much mud at him as they needed or wanted. There were no one around to defend him anyway.
Good video, not seen the channel before 🎉
Respect for the statement in the intro.
If the narrative can't be argued successfully, it does not stand.
Almost all humans are susceptible to “magical thinking.” Humans, evidently, can believe whatever they want, for whatever reason, and change their minds for whatever reason they want. If only this would happen.....or if only that would happen.....or if I do this, they just might, maybe give up. Sure, they’ll give up, yeah. Or you can flip a coin.
Regardless , theres no going back. "Ooops sorry, cessation please." By that stage russia is not stopping til the end.
Hitler lost at Stalingrad.
This enraged his father who punished him severely.
I would argue that the main reason Nazi Germany lost the war was that they were outmatched militarily. They were completely unable to force their opponents to concede and surrender. They had no way to invade Britain (and the British weren't about to surrender unless their country was occupied), and absolutely no way to attack America. Once the Soviet Union survived the initial shock of Operation Barbarossa, the struggle became a battle of attrition, and there was no way Germany could win that. It should also be acknowledged that while German tactical operations were throughout the war superb, their strategic planning was poor. They just assumed Britain would surrender after the fall of France, and when that didn't happen, they had no plan as to how to force Britain into negotiations. Hitler was sure that the Soviet Union would collapse within a few weeks after the commencement of Operation Barbarossa, and when that didn't happen they were forced to improvise. There was no requirement for Hitler to declare war on America, yet he did Roosevelt an incredible favour by doing so. I agree that they were seriously short of oil and food (another reason not to attack the Soviet Union, which through trade could supply those items), and yet they undertook military operations that were beyond their abilities to complete.
Hey Tik, thanks for the video which was very informative. I’d like to ask a couple of questions that relate to the topic:
Is there any further information regarding Germanys oil crisis from August 1941? Do we know if Operation Barbarossa hastened the oil crisis? (As the oil was being consumed at a higher rate for tanks, trucks and planes during the offensive) Do we know if the Russian campaign hadn’t happened that Germanys oil could have lasted longer? I think this important as the oil shortage is one of the main reasons for operation Barbarossa and Case Blue.
I also heard from a WW2 lecture by the historian Victor Davis Hanson that the Hitler/Stalin pact was actually fuelling Hitlers war effort to a high degree (Stalin sent Germany vast stocks of Grain and Oil at a net loss for the Soviet Union). He says that the fuel the Luftwaffe was using to operate over Britain (Battle of Britain/Blitz) was straight from the Russian suppliers. I’ve done my own research but have not been able to find anything more concrete, do you know if there is any truth to this idea? If it was true do you think it would calculate into Germanys oil crisis at all?
From the German perspective, fighting a war with the oil supply they had available was normal for most of the war. They planned and fought accordingly, and given they invented Blitzkreig there was no historical context. So in Goering's mind the oil situation may not have seemed so significant, as long as they had a supply from Romania.
Why do you do a hack villain voice when reading Goering quotations? 😆
Because Goering was a hack villain...so it fits...?
I would have thought that the Allied insistence on 'unconditional surrender', something unthinkable to the Germans for obvious reasons, was the major factor in the war dragging on as long as it did. The Allies fairly early on made it clear that they would simply refuse to offer Germany any terms whatsoever. Yes I know that Hitler personally insisted on fighting on regardless of the odds, but whenever a top ranking Nazi official/general did go behind the Fuhrer's back to negotiate with Britain and America they were repeatedly told the same thing, unconditional surrender or nothing.
Thanks @TIK and get well soon.
The answer is clear: The Allied conference in Casablanca demanded uncoditional surrender.
Yes, you are correct and that would have meant the death penalty for the Nazi elite so they had nothing to lose in their mind.
Hello, can you do a video about the Imperialism of Japan and Thailand during the war in the pacific? I know they are very cruel, extreme for their tactic and the harsh treatment of POW but I only got the Oversimplified version. So I would like to see an in depth version. Maybe some videos
about how their ideology look like. I'm more interest in the Pacific theater of WW2 than the Western front.
Other reason is - Hitler and his crew knew that end of war will bye also end of their lives - allies will demand their trial anyway. Sorry for my english :)
this is super interesting. @tik do you have more data on the trade deficit?
Short answer, by the time he realized that the oil was lost it was too late to end the war on favorable terms.
While it takes only one willing side to wage war, it takes two to make peace. Even if Germany had wanted to make peace I believe (that by late 43) the Soviets knew they were going to win, wanted revenge and weren't going to quit until Germany, and it's allies, were crushed.
Maybe the Allies should have invited Hitler to their meetings.
H : "Goring, the Allies want me to join them in Yalta. Do we have any fighters planes that can escort mine there?"
So the Question is: What would a German capitulation have looked like in 1943?
Soviet domination of Europe? This would certainly have not been something Hitler could stomach.
Would Hitler have gone on trial? If so a Hangmans noose would focus his mind.
If Germany had surrendered would the German people have accepted it, they had problems accepting peace in 1918.
I like the logic of the argument but I think there would have been a huge amount of emotion rather than reason, so better to carry on and look for a negotiating position than to look down the barrel of a firing squad.
Just some thoughts I like the video.
i remember reading a quote of goring saying to a soviet correspondent that he thought the war was lost after stalingrad, and certainly after kursk?
I remember reading Berlin by Beevor...it was already the end by then but disillusionment played a big part...as they kept believing that somehow they could make a deal with the allies, they sent kids and old people to join in the fighting
"this plan is so unbelievably cleaver that mechanized troops need less than one week of fuel supply... probably" ;)
I've often thought that whilst we talk economics, tactics, strategies and logistics fir most warring factions in history we often miss that many nazis were nuttier than squirrel shit.
At the start, they largely just had bad ideas like Stalin or any Marxist. By the end, almost certainly yes
Nuttier than squirrel shit hehe not bad
@@Kenfren Making official military plans to exterminate 3/4 of the entire population of Eastern Europe and adopting bullshit racial ""science"" and eugenics as official state policy goes a little beyond "just bad ideas", if I'm to be honest.
@@clusterflick6333 allied propaganda
Fantastic video, so much clarity. Your talks should be put on school/university curriculums. When I was young I adored The World at War narrated by Laurence Olivier but you've moved the game on so far. And if Goring's 1946 analysis was anything to go by, being a Nazi involved a hell of a lot of self-delusion.
Fascinating!!!