I'm still using my 2017, 27" iMac, and love the fact that it allows me to upgrade the RAM myself through a slot in the back. Apple will never bring that feature back, and since it's still going strong, I'm holding on to this model. I also like the classic design better than the newer generation. The color of the computer has never been a selling point for me (same with iPhones).
Same, I've made sure I bought the last iMac from the Intel Generation which you can bump to up to 128gb Ram. In my line of work RAM memory is essential, and even the fastest new iMac doesn't really cut it. It's mind boggling Apple is not thinking about us when making new iMacs, been using them for almost 20 years but in the future I will only be able to use the Studio or Pro, which comes with a pretty hefty tag.
Totally agree! I wasn't sold on the new design and certainly not the colours. I'm writing this on a classic 27" iMac like yours of which I still love the design. And with another sitting on the desk over my left shoulder. Both were upgraded to 32Gb of memory by me. Both are going strong. Screen quality is still excellent. ;-)
Mine has screen burn in. I am giving it away to family. It was great but it can't be slaved as a monitor. So it is useless at the end of its CPU life. I purchased a Samsung 5K monitor for about $400 USD and can link two computers to it (my laptop and PC). I would never buy the all in one again even though I loved it. I would prefer the M4 Mini at the price point, even with adding the $400 monitor and $200 for mouse and keyboard it comes in cheaper and you can use the monitor/mouse/keypad going forward. She was a good ship while I sailed her.
@@panorama4526 I fear so. I've been waiting for the larger screen since the M-chips arrived. I reckon we'll be waiting longer still. So Apple is going to get less of my money now and I'm going M4 min + BenQ screen. Alas. That's about a grand they've not got off me. Oopsy?
I have a mini with 34" curved samsung monitor. It is not the same experience. Trouble is text rendering is really not good in macOS on non-retina displays. Massive disappointment. I love the screen real estate, and for most productivity stuff it's OK, but if I'm coding, I'll use the iMac because it renders text so wonderfully. Nobody makes decent/cheap high pixel density screens. If you buy yourself a Studio display for the Mac Mini it starts to look very expensive.
@@paulwoodward8265going to second this. I plugged my MBP 14 into my 27 inch curved monitor and damn, the text is fuzzy no matter how much you play around with the settings. It’s absolutely fine, but you can see leaps and bounds of a difference on the Retina display. On my Windows machine, the same monitor is absolutely crisp.
Still wishing they had a larger screen option. I have a Mac mini and a 32” screen so I don’t really want a smaller screen which is why I haven’t bought a iMac
I used to have 27” Intel iMac which reached the end of its life thanks to the processor being underpowered. However, the screen was still amazing. It got replaced with an M1 Mac Mini and a 27” monitor. I will never buy an all-in-one again. Although, I am finally considering an M3 Pro MacBook Pro.
@@colinstock325 Good to know. My Mac mini is very long in the tooth so I’ll probably go that way again with the M4. I have the M2 MacBook Pro. I rarely use it and wished I hadn’t as I do all my work on my IPad Pro.
I'm still using my 2017 27" iMac and I love it. Best computer I've ever owned, and that goes back to a Mac II in 1989. Sadly my 2017 machine is becoming less functional by the day, so I'll be upgrading to the new M4 iMac -- but bitterly disappointed that the screen is only 24". For a few reasons I'm not in a position to get a Mac Mini with a Studio Display, so I'll just have to adjust...
I have the old intel 27 inch 5k model. It has been great for me (upgraded from multiple PCs) I wouldn’t buy the latest imac because I would want a bigger screen. I would head for a Mac mini of some sort. Shame because I like the all in one format
I usually keep my iMac 6-7 years. Being that my current M1 I bought in 2021 that one replaced a 2015(2013 refresh) Intel iMac, for my home use as my main desktop, media server to all my AppleTVs and virtual amp/pedal modeler for my guitar playing, it's plenty powerful enough even at only 8GB of RAM and never really chokes up is still running just nicely for me.
Mac Mini here as well. Had several iMacs and no doubt really nice. That was the way to go then - but now, no. Nice to have 5K - but the 2.7K 1440 Asus 27 inch monitor works well for me and is Apple default monitor setting. Not a designer, not an editor - just consumer. If an upgrade is in order, just get another Mac Mini with more whatever . M2 works fine - btw 4K doesn't work well for accuracy in fonts. 5K or 2.7K, 1440, Display Port not HDMI.
I want to know if this would improve my music production I record in bitwig using plugins with my Intel 202 iMac and it works pretty good , do you think this would be an improvement?
Loved my 27inch intel IMac but I wasn’t keen on the smaller new iMac and not keen on white bezels. So I went for 32 inch studio display with M2 pro Mac mini. Now I could just buy a new M4 Mac mini to attach to screen. But I don’t think I will (yet)😊
I just ordered an M4 iMac, only a cheaper option though I did choose more internal storage. I can hardly wait, given that I've been rocking a slightly faulty 2017 21.5" iMac with spinning rust and only 8GiB RAM. My compile times are going to go down greatly and the whole thing is actually going to be snappy!
I'm considering going from a Late 2015 27" iMac to the M4 iMac but i wish they would give it the M4 pro chip as an option, I would go for the M4 Mac mini but that display is way out of my price range.
24" is simply too small for my everyday work. If they made 27 or (most especially) a 32" version with a 1080p camera and ProMotion, I'd buy that version tomorrow.
I've been waiting on the upgrade, and ordered one straight away after introducing the M4 iMac. I just love the versatility and design of it.. Upgrading from a topped up (specced) 2020 27 inch, however it feels a little slow now with my editing big RAW photos, and lately I've started to learn 4K video editing. I've read people feels it's quite a downgrade in size, however after a week or two, the 24 inch feels normal.. Can't wait to feel the speed difference.
Can not downgrade to the 24 inch screen. I am with you, would jump at a 27 IMac like apparently many others. So it looks like the new Mac mini pro with the upcoming BenQ 5K 27 inch monitor. Maybe add the Blue Ant SoundBlade. RIP IMac.
M4 might not be massive bump over M3 (although 20% more cores in here, so that's a thing), but getting 16GB RAM as standard IS massive. And it's £100 cheaper. This is much better value than the outgoing model. If you were on the fence before, just buy this thing. As an M3 owner (16GB/512), I won't be upgrading - but I kind of wish I'd waited for this one.
I've got a 2021 M1 iMac and maxed it out with 16Gb or RAM plus the 2Tb SSD, the one thing I was hoping for was a bigger internal storage option, even at Apples prices. As for the RAM, after almost 4 years I could go back to the 32Gb of RAM my 2012 had and I used until it died in early 2021.
I currently have an M3 iMac (I bought three months ago) with 16gb RAM and 512gb SSD that I’m very happy with. The new M4 version is very tempting, but not enough for me to upgrade.
Great overview and video. It had been bugging me for a while that each time I wanted to replace the computer part of the iMac I had to scrap a good monitor., so when Apple decided to stop producing a 27 inch, well that firmed up my decision to go Mac mini. Still waiting to hear about an updated one, if only with the M4. The price reduction in Canada is only for the low end model, however if you want 4 ports and more cores then it's still the same price as before. So for me it's no to the iMac. It looks stunning though mine has its back to the wall, but a Mac mini will save me money in the long run and allow me to get either the same display with the studio display or try an ultra wide. Which is sad as my first Mac was the iBook but when it came to replace it, the iBook had been replaced by the MacBook Air at a high price. The iMac wasn't just the all in one, it was at first a good value computer. Now it's too expensive.
I am torn! I have that fully decked out 27" iMac, 32Gb ram, 1Tb SSD, 3 Tb HDD. LOVE that machine. But no longer supported. What to do?! A 24" iMac, imho is just a big iPad! So I am torn between getting and M4 mini with keeping my periferals and adding big display. Or submit and get an M4 iMac with mind to add a second display. HELP!
what year was your 27inch, and does it still run? I have a 2013 model , put Catalina on it, and it runs like crap. 8 gigs ram and can barely run safari. the os before works fine, but is insecure because apple stopped all security patches for it...
I am very tempted by the new iMac M4. I have an M1, which will become a donor machine for my wife. But I am waiting for the specs for the new Mac Mini to be honest. The Pro Chip married to a high end 4K 32 Inch screen could be the way forward for me. More power in the M4 Pro chip in a small little boix 😃 Great insight video as always, lets see what Apple announce next.
I'm running a 2017 iMac 5k, This might sound daft but it doesn't appear to have slowed down (like M$) - I'm going to work out the comparison with a M4 Mac Mini, 27" ProArt display and a camera, although I could just use the iphone 13 camera.
I bought a neat accessory from Amazon that changes the profile of the Magic Mouse slightly by raising it more at the rear than at the front, making it fit in the hand better plus incorporating a wireless charging coil. Place it on a MagSafe or Qi charger and Bluetooth disconnects and it starts charging wirelessly. Remove it from the charger and the Bluetooth connection is restored.
Just looking on the store in the uk and compared to my M3 iMac that cost 2 grand (16/512 10GPU), this new one has 2 more CPU cores and all the other upgrades and 2x faster neural engine, and it’s £300 cheaper!!! I find that astounding
It’s it worth spending the extra for a M4 or just get a M3 as the prices are dropping now and I can get a M3 for just over a grand now (£1049) is the M4 worth the extra £250ish quid???
The base 16gb model with 512gb storage (crap) in Aus will cost $2799 give or take, and the mac mini m4 with the same specs is $999. So if people want to go the apple route, you may as well save that $$1800 and buy a great big monitor to go with it and still have change. Yes the apple monitor is nice, but not large enough for that money. All base machines should be 1TB as well. I'm on the fence on getting one. If you're into gfx and video editing, then the M4 mini pro with 12 core cpu and 16gpu will still save you $600 toward a large monitor. Good to see they start at 16gb anyway, I never saw any imac in my Aus stores come with more than 8gb so I steered away.
i've noticed than apple studio display has better quality screen than imac 24 (m3). it is especially visible when you look at both from the angle. apple sometimes make little improvements and dont say about them so maybe imac m4..
That's my current iMac the 2020 8 core Intel with 64gb ram, 1tb SSD, rx5700xt 16gb, mostly run win 11 on it now, occasional boot in to OSX to update, but eventually it will be permanently win 11 machine once updates are dropped.
When John Ternus mentioned "the big beautiful display" and then 24" was mentioned I shouted at the screen! I have the 27" iMac 5K and additional screens. I was kind of holding out hope that when they said there was another announcement tomorrow (i.e. today) if might be something with a bigger screen, but no a smaller Mac Mini. I think for me it will be a 14" M4 Pro MacBookPro or M4 Pro Max with a dock and external screens.
The new iMac looks damn sexy BUT I'm still happy with my 2017, 27" iMac, which is still fast, reliable and allows me to upgrade the RAM myself via a slot in the back. If Apple ever brings out a larger screen iMac again, I will probably go for that to enjoy the much faster processors out there. Until then ......
for me i wish they would have a HDMI in so it can also be used as a monitor for a console as well... i also wish they had apple tv built in so it could be used as a tv... i know it has the app but from what I understand it doesn't work with the remote
Imagine a PRO-Chip Mini that can be powered by a display/usb-c cable, it would be so clean. The iMac bothers me when it can't be used as a monitor, the beautiful display does not age as quickly as the computing power.
I think I will upgrade my Blue M1 to a green M4 with more memory and storage. I had 16GG of memory but made the mistake of only getting 256GB of storage and it’s starting to get a bit restrictive
Apple definitely should make a 27” or (even better) 32” iMac. Even without the Pro chips, they would sell like hot cakes. I don’t think many people really want a 24” screen in 2024. I bought an M2 Mac Mini and a 32” LG monitor. Would have preferred to take the minimalism to the next level with a large iMac.
So I am one of those folks waiting for the big iMac. I have just upgraded my 16 inch M1 MacBook Pro to the M4, but I just can't part with the bigger screen. I also caught that comment when John T claimed it looked good on the Big screen, and I just laughed. For those of us who like the big layout, I just don't see parting with the iMac. I saw the M4 Mini and will have to look at the specs compared to the M4 iMac. I wondered if they were pushing us down the Studio Display pathway, but I don't think the Studio Display has some of the new features of the iMac screen (eg, camera that can readily display the table you are working on). If the specs on the Mac mini aren't as good as the most powerful iMac, well, I guess I will be waiting a while! At least I can still boot up Windows easily on the Intel iMac!
I wanted a compact one. 20-21.5” like before. So, I may look at another Mac mini. Then I can have the screen size I want. Maybe I can use my 11” iPad. Hmm
I’m still holding on to my 27” Intel waiting to see if Apple will release an M4 version. I don’t think that will happen at this point. I might have to get the M4 mini and find a suitable monitor.
Finding a monitor other than the apple one is what was a nightmare for me with a Mac mini. Never happy after the 5k iMac so I’m keeping my 2015 iMac for displaying my photos only and buying M4 iMac for editing them,I can’t update the software on the 5k and can’t afford the studio display so I hope you find one you are happy with. Please post back if you do and I’ll check it out
@ The most affordable route for me might be a M4 iMac. It's smaller than my Intel Mac, but I can also use a second monitor. It's challenging to figure it all out.
I'm always amazed that folk regard the 16" macbook screen as absolutely fine, but completely lose it when asked to use a 24" iMac. Seriously, it's OK. You can work on it. You can also plug in a secondary display, or use an iPad. Yes, I'd buy a 27" version in a heartbeat, but it wouldn't be life changing. I think this M4 iMac lineup is broadly fine for 'normals'. * They should just ship it with the trackpad, and ditch the awful mouse. * The base model should have touch ID, as that's life changing. * There should be a way to get to at least one of the TB ports without peering round the back of the computer. * They should make a proper Pro iMac for all the design shops. Pro chip, dual OLED 120Hz, FaceID, all the fancy iPad Pro/macbook Pro bells and whistles. This is a bit niche, but they'll sell way more than the Mac Pro.
@paulwoodward8265 Different sizes for different situations. I like the portability of my 13" Macbook Air, but when I use it at home I plug it into a 28" 4K screen. My 6" iPhone screen is fine outside the house, but at home I'd rather browse and watch UA-cam on my iPad. Nintendo Switch portable gaming is fun, but at home... docked to a 55" tv. My travel dildo is... oh nevermind.
I’m still using my 27” iMac from 2014. End of life with respect to macOS. I think it’s really value for money so I’m very, very, very disappointed that Apple has no intention of bringing a new 27” iMac with M? processor. I’m not waiting for a 32” iMac Pro or something like that because that will most likely be far too expensive. For me at least.
Disappointing still got small screen and height adjustment is still a couple of books under the base. Being a bit thinner is no great advantage for me.
Sorry, can't agree with the design from the latter iMacs... they look like toys compared with the Intel 27 inches beautiful design. Great and enjoyable video as usual.
I have a 27 inch Intel iMac, use apps which need the bigger screen, and I have no intentions of downgrading to a small 24 inch device, or blowing over £3,000 on a Mini plus an Apple display. I want an all-in-one because of having less desktop clutter. When Apple introduce a 27 inch, or maybe a 30 inch, M-series iMac I shall buy one. Until that day, I'll tolerate the slower speeds and older OS. A bigger screen size is the main selling point for me.
Question folks, why would Apple bring out a 27 inch iMac when they want you to buy a Mac mini Pro with an Apple studio monitor which happens to be 27 inches and if you really have the bucks, you can buy a 32 inch monitor I just bought the new M4 mini pro and bought an Apple studio monitor with it. I'm running the studio monitor on an M2 mini can't wait to see the difference. My new computer will perform, however like every Mac they can be expensive monitor and beefed up mini pro a little over $6000 Canadian. Worth it and yes, it will last for years. Always buy AppleCare to ensure that. Thanks for your video Mark I've been using Imac since 2011 , since I did buy myself a new computer, of course I had to buy my wife one too. She's getting the souped up iMac m4 in purple because it's her favourite color. Cheers.
Utterly ridiculous that Apple STILL haven't delivered a 27" iMac. The 24 is just not enough screen real estate for those of us who work on the 27". We don't want, and will not pay for a $1,699 - $2,000 separate display. No deal.
Don't hold your breath for a 27" or 32" iMac. A large all-in-one computer is not a green product. Apple is trying to meet their carbon goals. iMacs are a small fraction of Apple's business these days, so it doesn't make sense for them to deviate from their altruism, if it doesn't even help the bottom line. I gave up a year ago and got an Mac Studio and 42" OLED tv instead of waiting.
Hi mate. Down here in Aus I have the old 2017 intel iMac and it is seriously struggling especially on CPU intensive workloads. I’m ordering the M4 Pro Mac Mini this week and I have a 27” Studio Display on the way to plug into it. 2017 iMac, you served honourably, but you’re not as fit as you used to be and it’s time to retire gracefully.
@@MarkEllisReviews haha yeah I can’t wait! When the M4 Pro Mini arrives and I get all our stuff installed on it, I may do an erase and fresh install on the old iMac to repurpose it, as I have some less demanding jobs in mind that I can use its big beautiful 27” display for. Cheers.
I still think it is too thin, you can’t put any useful ports on the main body of the thing like a proper HDMI or Ethernet port. They even axed the Ethernet port in the power adapter, now you have to pay $80 extra for a feature standard on any other desktop. I also agree with all the comments that there should be a bigger version, either 27” or 32”. I wouldn’t buy one for myself, I prefer proper chunky desktops, but I don’t like Apple short changing the folk who like this form factor.
Finally I can now change my 2018 iMac which has been a loyal servant but is now showing the spinning wheel of death on a more regular basis. I’ll hang fire until you’ve been able to get your hands on it and do a review and then I’ll decide whether or not I get the new iMac or the expected new mini Mac or the MacBook. My gut feeling is I prefer the all in one of the iMac but I’m prepared to be patient for a few more weeks longer. Only one concern on reflection this year I’ve bought a new iPad Pro, iPhone 16 pro Max and now I’ll be investing again into the Apple eco- structure. If Apple’s much anticipated AI turns out to be a poor relation to what’s available on other platforms I will be incredibly disappointed.
The new green iMac is stunning. But I just bought a studio display. At the time of writing this comment the my Mac mini just dropped. So I’m getting increasingly nervous about having bought the studio display, because it looks like a 120Hz Apple monitor is inevitable.
gonna stick with my M1 iMac. I mostly do writing and emails so I dont think i'll notice the difference, if I upgrade. Plus they ruined the back of the green.
@ I don’t mind 60 Hz as much on IMacs compared to touch devices, but I’d still rather get a Mac mini with a 120 Hz Oled monitor vs an iMac with a 60 Hz monitor. Especially at the price of the mac mini. Mac Mini - $599 + Apple Touch ID keyboard/mouse - $149/$79 = $827. $472 left over for a monitor.
I don’t understand the use case for a desktop Mac. It would look good in my daughter’s bedroom but…..Anybody who wants a desktop computer a PC windows is the way to go because most people I know, personally speaking, opt for desktops for gaming reasons or for graphics intensive professional applications such as GIS and architecture. Macs are pretty rubbish with this as there are no graphics card capabilities. I tried running CAD software on a Mac and it was lumpy to say the least. MacBooks are a different matter altogether because the efficiency and battery power makes them supreme. As long as you are willing to put up with macOS of course which many people can’t stand.
I really want to see the bigger screen iMac but not labelled a 'Pro'. You could pick up a decent 27inch iMac for around £1800 so a Studio or Mac Mini with an Apple 27inch monitor is still way way above that price point, so not really a replacement.
The display in my opinion is the biggest let down , I generally liked the iMac as a package when the M1 version was released , but , the screen in size was down grade from 27 inch monitor I currently have with my 8 year old PC ! It's ( the M4 iMac) only 60 hz iirc , just looking at apples add for the M4 iMac , the screen maxes out at 500 nits , and it's only 24 inches , and real estate matters for a whole raft of reasons . Apple likes to keep things simple for marketing reasons , I get it , but apple is shooting itself in the foot with sales , because the 24 inch monitor does not cut the mustard . Apple could have added another option in the iMac with the bigger screen and even charged a nice premium for it and people would have stumped up the extra coin for a bigger all in one option , alas .
Is it even worth upgrading when the M1 is still on top form after four years? I'm still on the M1 Mac Mini and it's held up better than an Intel MacBook Pro.
You head up the iMac team at Apple. What's the first thing you'll do with the next version? I would hire a regular housewife and an avid 27’ user. Gauge their experiences and force Apple's marketing department to adopt their wishes and pass on the instructions to Apple's development department. In addition, get the programmers to listen carefully and look at those desires and their usage. Also instruct these programmers to make older applications that I had to throw all away with a new Mac compatible.
You head up the iMac team at Apple. What's the first thing you'll do with the next version?
Front facing charging port on the mouse. 500 GB SSD for base models. A black model. Maybe slots on the sides for iPhones and iPads.
500gig SSD as standard, 27 or 32 inch screen.
Another vote for the 27 inch screen.
bring back the 27" iMac ... make a large storage model 20tb HDD drive and a 2tb fast SSD
32inch iMac in black
I'm still using my 2017, 27" iMac, and love the fact that it allows me to upgrade the RAM myself through a slot in the back. Apple will never bring that feature back, and since it's still going strong, I'm holding on to this model. I also like the classic design better than the newer generation. The color of the computer has never been a selling point for me (same with iPhones).
Agreed. Im debating the ability to add memory myself vs the increased CPU/GPU/core speeds.
Same here! I am having a hard time leaving my silver-black aesthetic and accessible RAM. The new Mac mini has piqued my interest.
Same, I've made sure I bought the last iMac from the Intel Generation which you can bump to up to 128gb Ram. In my line of work RAM memory is essential, and even the fastest new iMac doesn't really cut it. It's mind boggling Apple is not thinking about us when making new iMacs, been using them for almost 20 years but in the future I will only be able to use the Studio or Pro, which comes with a pretty hefty tag.
Totally agree! I wasn't sold on the new design and certainly not the colours. I'm writing this on a classic 27" iMac like yours of which I still love the design. And with another sitting on the desk over my left shoulder. Both were upgraded to 32Gb of memory by me. Both are going strong. Screen quality is still excellent. ;-)
Mine has screen burn in. I am giving it away to family. It was great but it can't be slaved as a monitor. So it is useless at the end of its CPU life. I purchased a Samsung 5K monitor for about $400 USD and can link two computers to it (my laptop and PC). I would never buy the all in one again even though I loved it. I would prefer the M4 Mini at the price point, even with adding the $400 monitor and $200 for mouse and keyboard it comes in cheaper and you can use the monitor/mouse/keypad going forward. She was a good ship while I sailed her.
I'll buy one when they bring either a 27 or 32 inch screen.
You won ´t have a computer for a very, very long time.
@@panorama4526 I fear so. I've been waiting for the larger screen since the M-chips arrived. I reckon we'll be waiting longer still. So Apple is going to get less of my money now and I'm going M4 min + BenQ screen. Alas. That's about a grand they've not got off me. Oopsy?
A 24 inch screen is way too small IMO. It should be at least 27" but 30" or 32" would be so much better.
New m4 can have an 8k 120hz second monitor. 24 inch for my everyday writing and anything that needs a bigger better screen goes to the second monitor.
I dont understand anyone acting like going from 27" to 24" is somehow a good thing.
The iMac is aimed at people who are space-constrained, hence it topping out at 24".
@ I’m a writer, it’s the perfect machine for my usage.
Yep !!!
Mac Mini for me. I can get a 32 or 34 inch curved monitor. Easy to upgrade.
I have a mini with 34" curved samsung monitor. It is not the same experience. Trouble is text rendering is really not good in macOS on non-retina displays. Massive disappointment. I love the screen real estate, and for most productivity stuff it's OK, but if I'm coding, I'll use the iMac because it renders text so wonderfully. Nobody makes decent/cheap high pixel density screens. If you buy yourself a Studio display for the Mac Mini it starts to look very expensive.
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@@paulwoodward8265with me it’s easier to do it this way but I also game so I can easily hook up a ps5 to a 144 hz monitor 32 inch.
@@paulwoodward8265going to second this. I plugged my MBP 14 into my 27 inch curved monitor and damn, the text is fuzzy no matter how much you play around with the settings. It’s absolutely fine, but you can see leaps and bounds of a difference on the Retina display. On my Windows machine, the same monitor is absolutely crisp.
Not at 4K or 5K resolution though
Still wishing they had a larger screen option. I have a Mac mini and a 32” screen so I don’t really want a smaller screen which is why I haven’t bought a iMac
I used to have 27” Intel iMac which reached the end of its life thanks to the processor being underpowered. However, the screen was still amazing. It got replaced with an M1 Mac Mini and a 27” monitor. I will never buy an all-in-one again. Although, I am finally considering an M3 Pro MacBook Pro.
@@colinstock325 Good to know. My Mac mini is very long in the tooth so I’ll probably go that way again with the M4. I have the M2 MacBook Pro. I rarely use it and wished I hadn’t as I do all my work on my IPad Pro.
I'm still using my 2017 27" iMac and I love it. Best computer I've ever owned, and that goes back to a Mac II in 1989. Sadly my 2017 machine is becoming less functional by the day, so I'll be upgrading to the new M4 iMac -- but bitterly disappointed that the screen is only 24". For a few reasons I'm not in a position to get a Mac Mini with a Studio Display, so I'll just have to adjust...
I’m going to buy the M4 Mac Mini Pro as an upgrade to my 27” iMac. Then buy a 32” screen. Sorted!
Nice.
Love my M3 iMac! With GeForce NOW this even is an incredible “gaming rig”. The display is wonderful and everything just works!
I have the old intel 27 inch 5k model. It has been great for me (upgraded from multiple PCs) I wouldn’t buy the latest imac because I would want a bigger screen. I would head for a Mac mini of some sort. Shame because I like the all in one format
I have the 27’ Intel and still holding out for a new 27, my only Apple device not updated but getting harder to hold out . . .
Look up Opencore Legacy Patcher. My 2017 iMac is running the latest OSX smoothly!
I usually keep my iMac 6-7 years. Being that my current M1 I bought in 2021 that one replaced a 2015(2013 refresh) Intel iMac, for my home use as my main desktop, media server to all my AppleTVs and virtual amp/pedal modeler for my guitar playing, it's plenty powerful enough even at only 8GB of RAM and never really chokes up is still running just nicely for me.
Mine is doing well - May 2017 model bought in June 2017. Have upgraded to 24 GB ram.
I am still on an M1 mac mini using a 36 inch 4k Samsung TV for my display. I no complains with it.
Mac Mini here as well. Had several iMacs and no doubt really nice. That was the way to go then - but now, no. Nice to have 5K - but the 2.7K 1440 Asus 27 inch monitor works well for me and is Apple default monitor setting. Not a designer, not an editor - just consumer. If an upgrade is in order, just get another Mac Mini with more whatever .
M2 works fine - btw 4K doesn't work well for accuracy in fonts. 5K or 2.7K, 1440, Display Port not HDMI.
I loved my 27” Intel and hoping that Apple would bring Back the 27” or bigger IMac
I bin (literally) my 27 for 24 new iMac. It’s more aesthetically pleasing and much more lighter than the 27. Much more.
I want to know if this would improve my music production I record in bitwig using plugins with my Intel 202 iMac and it works pretty good , do you think this would be an improvement?
Loved my 27inch intel IMac but I wasn’t keen on the smaller new iMac and not keen on white bezels. So I went for 32 inch studio display with M2 pro Mac mini. Now I could just buy a new M4 Mac mini to attach to screen. But I don’t think I will (yet)😊
I just ordered an M4 iMac, only a cheaper option though I did choose more internal storage. I can hardly wait, given that I've been rocking a slightly faulty 2017 21.5" iMac with spinning rust and only 8GiB RAM. My compile times are going to go down greatly and the whole thing is actually going to be snappy!
Writing this on my 2020 iMac 27 with 32GB. It's a great machine. Zero chance I'd downgrade to a 24 inch display.
I'm considering going from a Late 2015 27" iMac to the M4 iMac but i wish they would give it the M4 pro chip as an option, I would go for the M4 Mac mini but that display is way out of my price range.
24" is simply too small for my everyday work. If they made 27 or (most especially) a 32" version with a 1080p camera and ProMotion, I'd buy that version tomorrow.
I've been waiting on the upgrade, and ordered one straight away after introducing the M4 iMac. I just love the versatility and design of it.. Upgrading from a topped up (specced) 2020 27 inch, however it feels a little slow now with my editing big RAW photos, and lately I've started to learn 4K video editing. I've read people feels it's quite a downgrade in size, however after a week or two, the 24 inch feels normal.. Can't wait to feel the speed difference.
I just bought a 2021 Intel 27 inch iMac so I could run Bootcamp for gaming alongside normal Mac stuff. It’s lovely and really good value.
Great video, and brilliantly edited. Good knowledge about The product your talking about too
Thank you!
Can not downgrade to the 24 inch screen. I am with you, would jump at a 27 IMac like apparently many others. So it looks like the new Mac mini pro with the upcoming BenQ 5K 27 inch monitor. Maybe add the Blue Ant SoundBlade. RIP IMac.
M4 might not be massive bump over M3 (although 20% more cores in here, so that's a thing), but getting 16GB RAM as standard IS massive. And it's £100 cheaper. This is much better value than the outgoing model. If you were on the fence before, just buy this thing. As an M3 owner (16GB/512), I won't be upgrading - but I kind of wish I'd waited for this one.
I've got a 2021 M1 iMac and maxed it out with 16Gb or RAM plus the 2Tb SSD, the one thing I was hoping for was a bigger internal storage option, even at Apples prices. As for the RAM, after almost 4 years I could go back to the 32Gb of RAM my 2012 had and I used until it died in early 2021.
I currently have an M3 iMac (I bought three months ago) with 16gb RAM and 512gb SSD that I’m very happy with. The new M4 version is very tempting, but not enough for me to upgrade.
Have the M1 chip in Mac I got in 2022. Will this Mac handle Apple AI when available?
Also is it worthwhile to upgrade to M 4 otherwise?
Many thanks!
Great overview and video. It had been bugging me for a while that each time I wanted to replace the computer part of the iMac I had to scrap a good monitor., so when Apple decided to stop producing a 27 inch, well that firmed up my decision to go Mac mini. Still waiting to hear about an updated one, if only with the M4. The price reduction in Canada is only for the low end model, however if you want 4 ports and more cores then it's still the same price as before. So for me it's no to the iMac. It looks stunning though mine has its back to the wall, but a Mac mini will save me money in the long run and allow me to get either the same display with the studio display or try an ultra wide. Which is sad as my first Mac was the iBook but when it came to replace it, the iBook had been replaced by the MacBook Air at a high price. The iMac wasn't just the all in one, it was at first a good value computer. Now it's too expensive.
Wrote that without having seen the announcement for the Mac mini which is stunning in performance and ports. Definitely getting a Mac mini
I am torn! I have that fully decked out 27" iMac, 32Gb ram, 1Tb SSD, 3 Tb HDD. LOVE that machine. But no longer supported. What to do?! A 24" iMac, imho is just a big iPad! So I am torn between getting and M4 mini with keeping my periferals and adding big display. Or submit and get an M4 iMac with mind to add a second display. HELP!
Keep the 27
I think all us 27 inch imac users need to start a protest lol
what year was your 27inch, and does it still run? I have a 2013 model , put Catalina on it, and it runs like crap. 8 gigs ram and can barely run safari. the os before works fine, but is insecure because apple stopped all security patches for it...
I am very tempted by the new iMac M4. I have an M1, which will become a donor machine for my wife. But I am waiting for the specs for the new Mac Mini to be honest.
The Pro Chip married to a high end 4K 32 Inch screen could be the way forward for me. More power in the M4 Pro chip in a small little boix 😃
Great insight video as always, lets see what Apple announce next.
I'm running a 2017 iMac 5k, This might sound daft but it doesn't appear to have slowed down (like M$) - I'm going to work out the comparison with a M4 Mac Mini, 27" ProArt display and a camera, although I could just use the iphone 13 camera.
The 10-core M4 iMacs (four Thunderbolt port) models are the FIRST Macs EVER to support an external display with up to 8K resolution at 120Hz.
I bought a neat accessory from Amazon that changes the profile of the Magic Mouse slightly by raising it more at the rear than at the front, making it fit in the hand better plus incorporating a wireless charging coil. Place it on a MagSafe or Qi charger and Bluetooth disconnects and it starts charging wirelessly. Remove it from the charger and the Bluetooth connection is restored.
Just looking on the store in the uk and compared to my M3 iMac that cost 2 grand (16/512 10GPU), this new one has 2 more CPU cores and all the other upgrades and 2x faster neural engine, and it’s £300 cheaper!!!
I find that astounding
Will it be enough for smooth 4K editing with 16gb ram and 1tb ssd?
Still have my 2013 27 inch IMAC. The only thing I did was change the hard drive to SSD.
It’s it worth spending the extra for a M4 or just get a M3 as the prices are dropping now and I can get a M3 for just over a grand now (£1049) is the M4 worth the extra £250ish quid???
The base 16gb model with 512gb storage (crap) in Aus will cost $2799 give or take, and the mac mini m4 with the same specs is $999. So if people want to go the apple route, you may as well save that $$1800 and buy a great big monitor to go with it and still have change. Yes the apple monitor is nice, but not large enough for that money. All base machines should be 1TB as well. I'm on the fence on getting one. If you're into gfx and video editing, then the M4 mini pro with 12 core cpu and 16gpu will still save you $600 toward a large monitor. Good to see they start at 16gb anyway, I never saw any imac in my Aus stores come with more than 8gb so I steered away.
i've noticed than apple studio display has better quality screen than imac 24 (m3). it is especially visible when you look at both from the angle. apple sometimes make little improvements and dont say about them so maybe imac m4..
And there was me thinking that the "bad news" was going to be the one about the paltry size of the default storage :)
I hope they replaced the LCD cable that was causing screens to have issues manifesting as horizontal lines.
That's my current iMac the 2020 8 core Intel with 64gb ram, 1tb SSD, rx5700xt 16gb, mostly run win 11 on it now, occasional boot in to OSX to update, but eventually it will be permanently win 11 machine once updates are dropped.
dude, iMac is so sleek, I had no idea it was 24 inch. damn. I'm not a customer or ever will be, but it sure is tempting.
Recommendations for iMac M4 Time Machine drive?
When John Ternus mentioned "the big beautiful display" and then 24" was mentioned I shouted at the screen! I have the 27" iMac 5K and additional screens. I was kind of holding out hope that when they said there was another announcement tomorrow (i.e. today) if might be something with a bigger screen, but no a smaller Mac Mini. I think for me it will be a 14" M4 Pro MacBookPro or M4 Pro Max with a dock and external screens.
The new iMac looks damn sexy BUT I'm still happy with my 2017, 27" iMac, which is still fast, reliable and allows me to upgrade the RAM myself via a slot in the back. If Apple ever brings out a larger screen iMac again, I will probably go for that to enjoy the much faster processors out there. Until then ......
for me i wish they would have a HDMI in so it can also be used as a monitor for a console as well... i also wish they had apple tv built in so it could be used as a tv... i know it has the app but from what I understand it doesn't work with the remote
What brand is that brown iPad cover? Is it leather? Does that brand have one for iPad mini 6? Can’t find one I like.
It's MOFT. If you watch my most recent iPad mini 7 video, you'll see it mentioned and linked in the description 👍
Does the IMAC M4 still only have 60hz?.....
My only issue with the iMac is the size, just wish they'd do a 27 or even a 32in.
Imagine a PRO-Chip Mini that can be powered by a display/usb-c cable, it would be so clean. The iMac bothers me when it can't be used as a monitor, the beautiful display does not age as quickly as the computing power.
I think I will upgrade my Blue M1 to a green M4 with more memory and storage. I had 16GG of memory but made the mistake of only getting 256GB of storage and it’s starting to get a bit restrictive
Apple definitely should make a 27” or (even better) 32” iMac. Even without the Pro chips, they would sell like hot cakes. I don’t think many people really want a 24” screen in 2024. I bought an M2 Mac Mini and a 32” LG monitor. Would have preferred to take the minimalism to the next level with a large iMac.
Thank you for sharing, where is the iMac Pro M4 ?
I've been hanging on for a larger screened iMac for a few years now but my old (2013) iMac is becoming intolerable
So I am one of those folks waiting for the big iMac. I have just upgraded my 16 inch M1 MacBook Pro to the M4, but I just can't part with the bigger screen. I also caught that comment when John T claimed it looked good on the Big screen, and I just laughed. For those of us who like the big layout, I just don't see parting with the iMac. I saw the M4 Mini and will have to look at the specs compared to the M4 iMac. I wondered if they were pushing us down the Studio Display pathway, but I don't think the Studio Display has some of the new features of the iMac screen (eg, camera that can readily display the table you are working on). If the specs on the Mac mini aren't as good as the most powerful iMac, well, I guess I will be waiting a while! At least I can still boot up Windows easily on the Intel iMac!
Last time I was this early, GTA 6 wasn't even released.
Thanks
I wanted a compact one. 20-21.5” like before. So, I may look at another Mac mini. Then I can have the screen size I want. Maybe I can use my 11” iPad. Hmm
I’m still holding on to my 27” Intel waiting to see if Apple will release an M4 version. I don’t think that will happen at this point. I might have to get the M4 mini and find a suitable monitor.
Finding a monitor other than the apple one is what was a nightmare for me with a Mac mini. Never happy after the 5k iMac so I’m keeping my 2015 iMac for displaying my photos only and buying M4 iMac for editing them,I can’t update the software on the 5k and can’t afford the studio display so I hope you find one you are happy with. Please post back if you do and I’ll check it out
@ The most affordable route for me might be a M4 iMac. It's smaller than my Intel Mac, but I can also use a second monitor. It's challenging to figure it all out.
I'm always amazed that folk regard the 16" macbook screen as absolutely fine, but completely lose it when asked to use a 24" iMac. Seriously, it's OK. You can work on it. You can also plug in a secondary display, or use an iPad. Yes, I'd buy a 27" version in a heartbeat, but it wouldn't be life changing. I think this M4 iMac lineup is broadly fine for 'normals'.
* They should just ship it with the trackpad, and ditch the awful mouse.
* The base model should have touch ID, as that's life changing.
* There should be a way to get to at least one of the TB ports without peering round the back of the computer.
* They should make a proper Pro iMac for all the design shops. Pro chip, dual OLED 120Hz, FaceID, all the fancy iPad Pro/macbook Pro bells and whistles. This is a bit niche, but they'll sell way more than the Mac Pro.
@paulwoodward8265
Different sizes for different situations. I like the portability of my 13" Macbook Air, but when I use it at home I plug it into a 28" 4K screen. My 6" iPhone screen is fine outside the house, but at home I'd rather browse and watch UA-cam on my iPad. Nintendo Switch portable gaming is fun, but at home... docked to a 55" tv. My travel dildo is... oh nevermind.
After the Mac Mini announcement it's interesting how the base model of the iMac has fewer cores by comparison.
why didnt apple turn the imac into a display only and make the mac mini magnetic and colorful???!!!! that would have been such a great combo!°
I’m still using my 27” iMac from 2014. End of life with respect to macOS. I think it’s really value for money so I’m very, very, very disappointed that Apple has no intention of bringing a new 27” iMac with M? processor. I’m not waiting for a 32” iMac Pro or something like that because that will most likely be far too expensive. For me at least.
Disappointing still got small screen and height adjustment is still a couple of books under the base. Being a bit thinner is no great advantage for me.
I have a samsung 49” screen so it’s difficult to go too Apple agian, use to have iMac 27. so Im on Pc that can run Unreal.
I’m waiting for a bigger version. My 27 inch is still going strong.
I feel like they should get rid of the Mac Studio & just make a Mac Mini Pro, it makes more sense now with how powerful they can make the Mac Mini.
Sorry, can't agree with the design from the latter iMacs... they look like toys compared with the Intel 27 inches beautiful design. Great and enjoyable video as usual.
I have a 27 inch Intel iMac, use apps which need the bigger screen, and I have no intentions of downgrading to a small 24 inch device, or blowing over £3,000 on a Mini plus an Apple display. I want an all-in-one because of having less desktop clutter. When Apple introduce a 27 inch, or maybe a 30 inch, M-series iMac I shall buy one. Until that day, I'll tolerate the slower speeds and older OS. A bigger screen size is the main selling point for me.
And Apple, if you're reading this, please make it in Space Grey or that gorgeous blue.
Question folks, why would Apple bring out a 27 inch iMac when they want you to buy a Mac mini Pro with an Apple studio monitor which happens to be 27 inches and if you really have the bucks, you can buy a 32 inch monitor I just bought the new M4 mini pro and bought an Apple studio monitor with it. I'm running the studio monitor on an M2 mini can't wait to see the difference. My new computer will perform, however like every Mac they can be expensive monitor and beefed up mini pro a little over $6000 Canadian. Worth it and yes, it will last for years. Always buy AppleCare to ensure that. Thanks for your video Mark I've been using Imac since 2011 , since I did buy myself a new computer, of course I had to buy my wife one too. She's getting the souped up iMac m4 in purple because it's her favourite color. Cheers.
I wonder if Apple is also coming out with a 32" 120hz 8K monitor this week? (The M4 iMac will support such a monitor...just a thought!)
Utterly ridiculous that Apple STILL haven't delivered a 27" iMac. The 24 is just not enough screen real estate for those of us who work on the 27". We don't want, and will not pay for a $1,699 - $2,000 separate display. No deal.
nanotexture option is the best feature
I just bought the Mac mini 😃 it has 16gb ram at base that is just crazy !
Don't hold your breath for a 27" or 32" iMac.
A large all-in-one computer is not a green product. Apple is trying to meet their carbon goals. iMacs are a small fraction of Apple's business these days, so it doesn't make sense for them to deviate from their altruism, if it doesn't even help the bottom line.
I gave up a year ago and got an Mac Studio and 42" OLED tv instead of waiting.
The 24 inch display and no 10 gigabit Ethernet option kill it for me
Hi mate. Down here in Aus I have the old 2017 intel iMac and it is seriously struggling especially on CPU intensive workloads. I’m ordering the M4 Pro Mac Mini this week and I have a 27” Studio Display on the way to plug into it. 2017 iMac, you served honourably, but you’re not as fit as you used to be and it’s time to retire gracefully.
That is one hell of an upgrade, mate.
@@MarkEllisReviews haha yeah I can’t wait! When the M4 Pro Mini arrives and I get all our stuff installed on it, I may do an erase and fresh install on the old iMac to repurpose it, as I have some less demanding jobs in mind that I can use its big beautiful 27” display for. Cheers.
I still think it is too thin, you can’t put any useful ports on the main body of the thing like a proper HDMI or Ethernet port. They even axed the Ethernet port in the power adapter, now you have to pay $80 extra for a feature standard on any other desktop. I also agree with all the comments that there should be a bigger version, either 27” or 32”. I wouldn’t buy one for myself, I prefer proper chunky desktops, but I don’t like Apple short changing the folk who like this form factor.
Finally I can now change my 2018 iMac which has been a loyal servant but is now showing the spinning wheel of death on a more regular basis. I’ll hang fire until you’ve been able to get your hands on it and do a review and then I’ll decide whether or not I get the new iMac or the expected new mini Mac or the MacBook. My gut feeling is I prefer the all in one of the iMac but I’m prepared to be patient for a few more weeks longer. Only one concern on reflection this year I’ve bought a new iPad Pro, iPhone 16 pro Max and now I’ll be investing again into the Apple eco- structure. If Apple’s much anticipated AI turns out to be a poor relation to what’s available on other platforms I will be incredibly disappointed.
I have pre-ordered an M4 Mac mini.
The new green iMac is stunning. But I just bought a studio display. At the time of writing this comment the my Mac mini just dropped. So I’m getting increasingly nervous about having bought the studio display, because it looks like a 120Hz Apple monitor is inevitable.
Now, Apple allows for a quick motherboard swap, so if you have an M1, you can simply buy the M4 motherboard and keep the rest.
gonna stick with my M1 iMac. I mostly do writing and emails so I dont think i'll notice the difference, if I upgrade. Plus they ruined the back of the green.
I think the new green is beautiful.If I didn’t already have the Yellow M3 I would jump on it.
A larger screen by popular consensus. Apple have missed a unique opportunity to knock the ball out of the park.
Is the M4 IMac 60 Hz?
Yes - screen is 60Hz
@ I don’t mind 60 Hz as much on IMacs compared to touch devices, but I’d still rather get a Mac mini with a 120 Hz Oled monitor vs an iMac with a 60 Hz monitor. Especially at the price of the mac mini.
Mac Mini - $599 + Apple Touch ID keyboard/mouse - $149/$79 = $827. $472 left over for a monitor.
I don’t understand the use case for a desktop Mac. It would look good in my daughter’s bedroom but…..Anybody who wants a desktop computer a PC windows is the way to go because most people I know, personally speaking, opt for desktops for gaming reasons or for graphics intensive professional applications such as GIS and architecture. Macs are pretty rubbish with this as there are no graphics card capabilities. I tried running CAD software on a Mac and it was lumpy to say the least. MacBooks are a different matter altogether because the efficiency and battery power makes them supreme. As long as you are willing to put up with macOS of course which many people can’t stand.
I really want to see the bigger screen iMac but not labelled a 'Pro'. You could pick up a decent 27inch iMac for around £1800 so a Studio or Mac Mini with an Apple 27inch monitor is still way way above that price point, so not really a replacement.
Yep M4 Pro + Studio Display means a lot more money into Apple's coffers. That's exactly it.
The display in my opinion is the biggest let down , I generally liked the iMac as a package when the M1 version was released , but , the screen in size was down grade from 27 inch monitor I currently have with my 8 year old PC !
It's ( the M4 iMac) only 60 hz iirc , just looking at apples add for the M4 iMac , the screen maxes out at 500 nits , and it's only 24 inches , and real estate matters for a whole raft of reasons .
Apple likes to keep things simple for marketing reasons , I get it , but apple is shooting itself in the foot with sales , because the 24 inch monitor does not cut the mustard .
Apple could have added another option in the iMac with the bigger screen and even charged a nice premium for it and people would have stumped up the extra coin for a bigger all in one option , alas .
I’m surprised how M4 chip is faster than M1 Pro. Don’t sure about graphics but still.
I have the upgraded chip M1 IMac with 16gb already. I don’t see a real reason to upgrade.
Same here but I regret just getting the 256GB storage which is starting to feel restricted
Is it even worth upgrading when the M1 is still on top form after four years? I'm still on the M1 Mac Mini and it's held up better than an Intel MacBook Pro.
Is M1 Max 64GB stronger than M4 iMac?
i'm still on an intel imac, been holding out for the 27, but looks like that is never going to happen
You head up the iMac team at Apple. What's the first thing you'll do with the next version?
I would hire a regular housewife and an avid 27’ user. Gauge their experiences and force Apple's marketing department to adopt their wishes and pass on the instructions to Apple's development department. In addition, get the programmers to listen carefully and look at those desires and their usage. Also instruct these programmers to make older applications that I had to throw all away with a new Mac compatible.
I’m 💯going to buy one, but it’s going to be awhile until I can save up enough. Probably Tax season.
My wife is an Apple fangirl and wants to replace our 2013 iMac. I can’t believe we have to downgrade from 27 inch to 24 inch. Just, why?