Every trick in the book. DOHC, DI, VVT, super high rev, high compression and multi valves. It is quite the piece! I’m a Hemi guy but you have to give credit where it’s due.
My old gearhead dad always told me the secret to any V8 is in the heads. Getting them to breathe is what helps them turn out high power and RPM. If you've ever noticed a coyote torn down it's actually a very small block with very huge cylinder heads..
Well, I have a bone stock 2012 coyote; it just rolled 306k and apart from plugs, nothing has ever come out/off of the motor. Only uses .5 quarts of conventional oil between 5K changes. No complaints here. Id get another one once it dies.
The second 2011 hit, and I saw Ford was releasing a 5.0 again, named a dang 'coyote' I wanted one immediately. I grew up, got a job and got a 16 GT last year, I'm super in love with the car. Bringing it out to 7200 and shifting just feels different and gives a new appreciation for cars to me. This is a seriously legendary engine, and in my opinion will go down in history of top 10 engines of all time; in America at least
Sounds awesome brother, I have a 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 147,000 miles on it still going strong and its a beast and it sounds like a beast with the Borla ATAK exhaust on it.
@@CJColvin cool. I prefer to leave the "beast performance" to cars like my BMW. My truck is for towing and whatever else I decide to do with it, but speed definitely isn't a good quality for a real truck. RAM TRX, RAPTORS are stupid. Their just pavement queens, might as well bought a car. Especially when most guys who have trucks just go MALL CRAWLING🤣
@@CJColvin Same here, my '14 Ford F150 has the 5.0 coyote as well and it sounds so good when you get into it even completely stock. Even the intake noise is so good.
I come from the Supra world (5MGE, 7MGTE, 1JZGTE, 2JZGTE) and i love learning about other engines. This video was fantastic, no biased opinion just facts and great explanation. Look forward to future videos you break down like this.
@@marcelk3847 for a stock build coyote is the best american engine by far. LS and hemi only great because the simplicity but thats also limiting. i prefer a dohc engine it just makes more sense to make more power.
@337Speed Australian guy here... I just wanted to say a huge thank you. I've learnt more about the various US built engines here on your channel than I have in years watching hundreds of other videos UA-cam.. Seriously... you know your sh*t and I love your videos. Much respect. - Perth, Western Australia
I am a mechanic and have lots of ls and coyote engines laying around. Couple things not mentioned are cam swaps are easy on a coyote. No measuring push rod length and no need to degree the cam. Then the biggest thing I love about working on a modular engine is no accessory brackets.
Explain, in detail, how lining up 2 dots, on 2 sprockets, and hanging ONE chain, is HARDER than indexing 4 chains, on 5 sprockets, with 5 different marks. Also GM did not use a degree wheel on the million + LS engines they shipped, and neither do you have to, if you don't want to. Also, dozens of cams are available in stock base circle, require zero pushrod changes. Sounds to me like despite you being a mechanic, you've never touched and engine with a wrench, and sure as hell not a Coyote. One valve cover has more fasteners to remove than the LS cam swap total. You really don't know what the hell you're talking about, do you ?
@@jamesgeorge4874 sounds like you only play around with stock ls stuff. Put an adult size camshaft in and you start changing base circle. Put aftermarket heads on and you always check push rid length. Zero deck the block and then checking it again and ordering custom length push rods. The after that you have to degree the cam. If you think it takes a lot of time to line up a couple more dots then grab your box of crayons and your retard helmet and leave this to the pros.
@@jamesgeorge4874 thank you I was about to type out the same exact thing. Dual overhead cams are a nightmare to clock. Most coyote guys just leave it alone until the timing chain snaps.
@@SuperSilvi1990 to be fair, I've done major engine work on Ford, Dodge, and GM V8's for a long time, the new Hemi, and LS family are much easier, Ford has been on a mission to make technicians life hell since 1997. You should work on the 6.7 Powerstroke, every decision made about servicing that engine, had punishment in mind. I was a pretty hardcore Ford guy, untill I started fixing them.
I enjoyed this lesson. I am a Nissan/Mitsubishi driver, but I was always curious about the Mustangs. The Coyote is a formidable beast. If I can find one overseas where I work, I may buy one.
The 5.0L Coyote V8 is definitely a beast. I have a 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 147,000 miles on it still going strong and its a beast and it sounds like a beast with the Borla ATAK exhaust on it.
There are certain aspects that make the 5.0 better. But I still think the LS3 was the best v8 of the past 20 years. They were simple, reliable, sounded great, and can handle enough power. The newer LT series I do not like. They added all the new stuff like DI, AFM, and VVT. I would buy a 5.0L over a LT1 and do currently own a gen 3 5.0L.
@@james10739 why. Coyotes flow better rev higher and make more hp without a struggle. RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX. But make sure u go the 3-2-1 method like this guy said in the video to make good hp reliably
@@motorlife5239 not to mention if we’re talking end goal… the ford modular platform has been in promod cars making upwards of 3000+ Hp for almost 2 decades… the LS platform is not nearly as footed at that power level and not to mention dodge and the new HEMI is basically nonexistent at that level. Not that it really applies to you and I but it’s still cool to know there’s a factory ford crank and engine block out there making 3000hp 🤣
@@usandthagunns3922 if this is their best then that sucks because many motors take it out. I had meant many ford body chasis use gm or hemi style swaps. Only dumb people's would put a ford motor in a non ford chasis ha.
@@usandthagunns3922 They would if they could. People dont because the engine is very big compared to a LS and way more expensive compared to a LS doesnt mean it isnt one of the best engines.
Ford has made plenty of great engines bud. The small block Ford and the 2 valve modular engines are extremely reliable. As well as many others. While the 2 valve modular may not make crazy power, it's extremely reliable. Just make sure to change the spark plugs every 90k and torque them more than the 11 ft.lbs. Ford wants them at.
You're correct that it's it's "easy mode" with a coyote that you don't have to go into the motor...until you do. If you're just slapping boost on one 500-700ish hp is pretty easy. But if you want to build a coyote for more it is a more sophisticated engine than the LS. The coyote in my drag car has vvt deletes and locked cams and let me tell you, I've gotten really good at degreeing cams when I decided to build a coyote. I also learned a lot more about things like cam timing and overlap messing around with these things then I ever did with sbc. In fact, I so fell in love with the coyote I swapped on into my old camaro 😁.
@@piuthemagicman I have a few short video clips on my page if you're interested. I finally got around to buying a gopro camera so I should be able to post some videos of it at the dragstrip this spring. Went 10.95 at 130mph on 5psi of boost last year. My goal is low 10's this year.
@@StonkeyKong Pretty much anything to your liking with a small block chevy in it - tons of different cars and pickups had them. It's a tough engine, most versions respond really well to bolt-ons, parts are cheap and everywhere, info on how to build them is everywhere. There are small block Fords and Mopars but they're a little bit less popular so not quite as much aftermarket support but still really good options. If imports are more your thing 90s civics are still pretty plentiful and have a ton of support too. Not as much power but you don't need as much in a lighter car.
I have a 540hp 5.3 LH6 Trailblazer SWB. It's pretty fast and sounds unbelievable with its stg 3 cam, custom heads, and upgraded valvetrain and forged internals. 3k stall, American Racing longtube headers running to X-pipe and Spintech mufflers make it sound phenomenal. One thing I learned is there is always something bigger and badder so enjoy other people's rides and enjoy yours. We live in the greatest muscle car era ever. Its gonna be gone soon so enjoy it.
@@beastmaster415 I also really like how they each have their own character, used to be a hemi guy when I was younger but as I get older I appreciate them ls's and coyotes more since they're good at different things
@@scordatura9259 And at this point it’s pretty hard to say any engine is directly better then the other… Almost all these new muscle cars will make 800 Whp with some somewhat basic changes.
Ford Australia and FPV used a blown 5L in the FG and FG-X cars, and they sound delightful! They make big power with just a tune. 335kW and 570Nm in standard form, but most of us believe these numbers are understated, and are closer to 400kW, as they dyno over 300rwkW in stock form (the GT-F at least!)
Just discovered this channel! Love your engine comparisons! Very well informed, and yet entertaining and not dry at all!! Love it!! More videos like these would be awesome for newcomers to the community! Or long time nerds like me who just love seeing every possible POV about the topic!
Nah chief, this was a really well explained and thought out video. Father was a Chevy Man, grew up to be a Dodge/Mopar man, and learned to appreciate Ford. Right now I just love anything combustion, and badge loyalty isn't a thing anymore and grew out of that phase. I just appreciate great engineering, same can't be said for others who have their Bias. Looking forward to hearing about the Gen III/IV Hemi's. Thought I already know what's coming...price tag of a Ford, and none of the LS benefits/accomplishments. Honestly aftermarket Gen II Hemi's are a better option IMO. It hurts to say coming from a guy who loves Dodge, but I acknowledge faults when I see it. Also, would love to see a short thoughts and opinions on Ford's recent Godzilla
@@josefrobbins8781 have you seen what hemi style non dodge engines can do? Like proline, noonan, morrison, etc etc. Hemi & Chevy style motors still whoop ford pretty much most of the time still.
@@lordpula1193 Yep, I've heard of those guys. Sonny's and Arias are one of the greats who have experimented with the Chevy Block-Hemi Head combo, and you've got some of the greats like Brodix Chevy Blocks, John Kaase with Ford, and Keith Black for Chrysler/Dodge. So yeah I'm aware of the world of aftermarket, and the companies that build race engines. Though the topic at hand is running a stock factory block, and finding it's limitations build or budget wise, and not using a race block. A company like Proline makes just full blown race engines, and I wouldn't even call their engine based on the Gen II Hemi, and more like a tribute to the Gen II because the Proline shares no similarities with the original Chrysler's 426 aside from the 2V Hemi Combustion chamber, the use of a 4 bolt mains, and maybe the Valve cover design.
@@josefrobbins8781 Yup so many, dart too. Sonny's is more nitrous or na based but still. Even excluding proline and most of those, chevy and hemi from factory engines still best and beat ford's engines. You have to build them but even stock for stock hemis and chevy based engines still make over 1000 hp not built. fords need to build them too otherwise they're sitting bombs. Point is whether from factory or the at the highest levels it's mostly chevy, dodge and all their counterparts. Fords is every now and then. Even then it's a ford body or chasis with a hemi or chevy swap.
the Ford Mustang is simply the best NA platform out there, FOrd literally gives you a Mustang with a third of its potential. the ten speed 5.0 Mustang is a budget super car.
That's the tradeoff here. You get to choose the better head, or the larger block. I think I like the ohv better though. It's easier to get the GM engines to rev than it is to increase the displacement of the coyote. I also like the fact that ohv engines fit in smaller engine bays.
@@MichaelWittner pushrod engines have yhe classification of OHV. Yes all engines are OHV but they do not have cams above them. Imo easier way to say ut is CIB or cam in block
Great video! The boss302 roadrunner does come pretty much built from the factory, with the forged crank ect. Also Gen 1 are safe anywhere in the 600s, it's once you make 700+Rwhp you'll pop it. Oh and OPGS are only a issue if you're bouncing off the limiter.
@@JamesWilliams-dj2bp North of 1000Rwhp. The boss came with a forged crank, with pistons & rods. As well with boss specific cams, heads, valves, & valves springs. Gen 2 got some of these goodies, but not everything.
All you got to do is take the pistons out and gap the rings to 30 thousandths. Then they are good for 900 hp all day. The number one reason stock engines fail, while being boosted, is ring gap. Nobody bothers taking the pistons out and gapping the rings for boost. Before throwing 20 psi on stock gap. 🤣
I love my gen 3 coyote. Put it on the dyno and straight from the factory it made 412 wheel horsepower. Now I've added a Roush X pipe, steeda CAI and an E85 tune. I'll find out my new numbers next month which I'll post on my channel.
Yea I just sold my mustang still sad. Was a 2017 ecoboost. With just an intercooler, downpipe and a tune thing made 403 wheel with 460 tq but made over 400 tq at about 2000 rpms. Funny how the small ecoboost engines are torque monsters while big displacement boosted coyotes are hp monsters. Wonder why coyotes for making so much hp make so little tq till it's way up high.
have fun with that....due to the lack of a balanceshaft to counter-act the flat-plane crank design, the 170g's of lateral movement vibration from 7250-8000 it just keeps breaking starters, bellhousings, and even in some cases breaking the track-pack oil cooler right off the side of the block...JUNK!
I have a 2011 F150 5.0 best truck I owned. Has 224k miles and used it for many road trips. The most I ever had the truck do, was towing my other car from STL to LV. Very reliable and smooth power delivery. I know the truck 5.0 is different than the mustang 5.0. But regardless the 5.0 is a very good motor. One day I’ll get a gen 3 10speed 😉
Present day I have a ‘12 F150 Coyote with 65,000 miles. I have an aftermarket exhaust system and it sounds just like its coupe comparison sister. Gosh I love the truck, lowering it soon and putting some love into the engine. But Im sure it’ll be very appreciative of the power I put behind that crank. One other thing I noticed is while Coyotes also love hogging air into the intake, when you downshift in those trucks/stangs, the backfire is one of the scariest noises Ive ever heard. Its sure enough to make a whole daycare wet themselves lmao
@@enigma9789 why would I own one after knowing from everyone’s experience with the EB? I did my research while I was looking for an Ford F-150 and I’ll gladly stick to the 5.0 motor.
I'm familiar with 4-valve motorcycle engines and two valve motorcycle engines there is a pretty big difference in horsepower on the dyno and especially the cylinder heads at low lift on a flow bench the four valve flows a lot more air at low lift just my experience but this is not set in stone there's an advantage to having four small valves versus too big valves the two big valves are heavier and they will float before the four small valves float just saying
more small circles can consume more area of a larger circle they are fit in.. more valves should allow more air in and out as you open more of the cylinder with eqch breath. yamahamma made a 5 valve for q second!
5.0 is a great platform no doubt . But your wrong a c7 zo6 can make 1000whp bone stock with just fueling upgrade and a blower swap from the smaller stock 1.7 blower to a Ysi or f194a and make it all day reliably.
simple NA stuff is great for coyotes too, my ‘15 Mustang with ~$5-600 in bolt ons makes 480 to the wheel and revs to 8k. couldn’t ask for more out of a little NA V8, it’s so much fun
You don't need to rev a LS that high because of the displacement. I believe the high revs to make the power is what puts a mustang in to the curb after the 1-2 shift. The LS is still the most common engine swap even after 2011. I hate Fords but still love your videos. Keep up the great work bro.
When I used to do commercial roofing. My work truck was a first gen 5.0. By the time it got to me it had 550k miles and when I quit that company she was about to touch 750k miles. Still to this day, I think about that truck and it was almost 7 year ago. I’ve been through a LBZ duramax and an Ecoboost. I’m about to buy me a 24’ 5.0 f150 and this channel just absolutely sealed the deal on everything for me.
the ls3 makes similar to more power on boost with cam and there are heads flowing 360-380 you can buy to make 800rwhp. put forged pistons and rods and make 1100 reliably
@@losifer3867 800-950 rwhp stock bottom end ls3 light boost. 1100 forged internals, never break beating on it, 1300-1500 rwhp on stock aluminum block with aftermarket sleeves, and lsx iron block for higher power drag builds. 1200 has been dynoed from stock rotating assembly 4.8 truck ls engines. try that with a 12 to one compression 5.0 and see what happens. without e85 or race fuel and an expert tuner, over 800 power levels on pump with a coyote will explode. over 800 with any platform requires full 20000 dollar builds to live for a while regardless. you are an ls newb my friend
Amazing video! Grew up loving Chevy's, started with an old C10 with a built block, now I bought a 2021 GT with the 10 speed and man does these 5.0s put in work!
There’s always a eco booster out there waiting in the shadows to justify their purchase vs a 5.0. Don’t get me wrong, I love the eco boost platforms and respect the power they can make but stock vs stock the 4cyl mustang doesn’t stand a chance vs a 5.0. Now with a tune and a boost controller they are absolutely faster than a stock 5.0 but both at max bolt on or max boosted the 5.0 will win every time even built N/A 5.0 vs bolt on eco boost leans towards the 5.0🤷🏾♂️
@@xxxroberttheking yeah ur right! But I’m the one lurking in the shadows! Hahah my stock engine with Upgraded turbo and intercooler is maxed out at 420whp. And yeah stock vs stock a 5.0 wins hands down but the ecoboost mustang actually keeps up pretty well and almost ties in a 1/8th mile race. So the ecoboost are impressive for being a 4 cylinder! Right now I’m building a 1000whp ecoboost mustang! Gonna be sick!! But seriously people under estimate the ecoboost mustang! And I’ve raced scat packs and 5.0s and I’ve won! My new build is gonna be a one a kind!! I’ve always been a 4 cylinder turbo guy so when mustang ecoboost came out I had to have it and with the 10 speed transmission it’s pretty impressive even at stock! But just with upgraded turbo and intercooler you can reach 420whp on the stock engine. And for way less money then a 5.0 or scat pack cost. I seriously love my car so much even at the 420whp limit. It rips!
@@Paper.Power.Politics I understand your enthusiasm, but with the right amount of money, anything can make good power. However, spend the same money on the coyote and I can almost guarantee the 5.0 will make 1500+ hp. Funnily enough, the 2.3-2.5 Duratec engines are thought to be a 5.0 cut in half. They also have a high volumetric efficiency. My n/a 2.5 has a volumetric efficiency of around 105-110, just like the Coyote. I will be boosting it soon and see what it does.
@@cesarpalmos8235 yeah I agree , yiur 100% right. A mustang ecoboost is just what I wanted tho. To each there own. But My build is not the normal ecoboost build. I’m using a sleeved 2.0 focus ST block with the 2.3 internals. The focus ST 2.0 block is way stronger then the 2.3. I’m also using a 4 port head vs the stock single exhaust port head. Everything is custom spec forged. Goin along with a xona xr 105 69s turbo and turbo kit made by ets. Also gonna be dual injection port and direct. It’s a extensive build and built to handle way more then the stock 2.3 is built for. Also getting the 10 speed transmission built , also gonna be dual clutch like the 10 speed on the 5.0 is. Using the best metals and parts you can get for the build. Like custom spec Darton sleeves, custom spec traum pistons, custom cvt piper cams, 4330 Callie’s enforcer rods , coated bushing with upgraded 3.5 rod bolts and a upgraded h13 tool steel wrist pins. It’s gonna be sick!!!!!
At this point in my life (67yo) my 2016 Mustang GT convertible does absolutely everything perfectly. It idles, it sings, it cruises down the highway and gives great milage. It is a FANTASTIC car.
that was great. I always thought the only way to go would be an LS swap. I'd love to do a Coyote swap on one of my Crown Vics whenever (or if it ever) wears out. But they seem so well made that they will probably outlive me.
I had a 2003 Crown Vic with 300k on it. It was my first car. Just sold it. I just had to add some oil every couple thousand miles. Changed the coil packs and spark plugs but besides only a few other minor mechanical things it runs great. The 4.6 is one of the most reliable engines ever made in America.
Ur gonna spend less than half on an ls than a coyote 5.slow. hell even the lincoln continental guys build turbo ls engines for roughly 6k rather than a bone stock coyote for12-15k
@@projectf025Not necessarily man. My buddy runs a hot rod shop and they're building an early Bronco with a Ford Performance Coyote, trans, wiring harness computer etc. He said it was about 1000 bucks cheaper than the LS GM equivalent. The Coyote swaps are expensive, but the LS swaps are by no means cheap either.
".....How 5.0 Coyote Engines Beat LS and LT....." Do they? They're bulkier, more complicated, more expensive, about the same weight but 50-to-100 c.i. smaller, and no more rugged. Aftermarket parts cost more, and are less easily found. An LS is pretty much THE choice for engine swaps, into virtually every car (except Mustangs). And I'm saying this as a non-Chevy fan.
I give Coyote motors props where they're due . You can put a ton of boost to them and they make outstanding power . When you brought up the reliability of the coyote past 600 horsepower not being that great is exactly why I made the decision for a 7.0 LSx small block ( from blueprint ) from Summit . 650 horsepower out of the box . Works with the stock truck computer . Around 10k . Very reliable . Can I say I make more horsepower per cubic inch than a mustang ? Absolutely not . Can I have 127 more cubic inches from a smaller package than a coyote ? Absolutely . 427 cubic inches with a similar foot print to the 4.8 /293 V8 . That matters . Not only that but you're not touching a complete drop in race ready 650 horsepower coyote with a warranty for 10k . Since the Godzilla 7.3 has come out you especially can't deny the influence of the LS . Godzilla 7.3 uses pretty much the same architecture . Coil near plug , long runner intake , pushrod , skirted Y block , cam in block , 6 bolt mains with cracked bearing caps . It's not a bad thing or a bad formula . The dyno results speak for themselves .
Godzilla shares nothing in common with and ls all those features you’ve pointed out have already been used in the Ford Fe series big block from 1950’s to 1960’s
3:49 that’s not it, what your noticing is the difference between supercharging and turbocharging, not head flow differences because hellcat heads flow around 340cfm. It could be because the valve train on the coyote works better all around the rev range/ makes power higher but idk. For comparisons sake I believe the 6.4s flow around 360-380 and with a hellion twin turbo kit at 8lbs they can make 700whp
There’s more to it than cfm. The way the air flows in 2 valves has less static pressure and can flow more with less boost. It’s why Jon Kasse doesn’t like giving cfm flow numbers. He says to look at the horsepower numbers because the flow number doesn’t tell everything. If you don’t know who Jon Kasse is he’s probably the guy who’s won the Engine Masters challenge more than anyone.
Used to stomp on 5.0 fox bodies in my Buick gn back in the day. They really lost me when they went down to a 4.6. Now driving a hemi (the simplest engine ever) it’s very impressive how much power they get out of the small displacement. Dohc helps . Remember they were trying to put dohcs on 429 cobras and 426 hemis in the 60’s making over 1,000hp and got banned.
I like both the Coyote and the LS for different reasons, having owned both, and I think they're equally good. The 6.4 Hemi is probably my favorite though because it feels like it has the most soul put of the 3... for the most part.
Can you compare a 5.0 coyote to a 5.4 dohc (ideally from gt500) and maybe throw in 4.6 dohc if they are close enough. Debating on what to swap into my new edge. Thanks!
2015 Coyote here with Roush cold air intake and Roush cat back exaust and this baby moves and sounds beautiful! Also cold start is really loud.... HP is approx 460 - Great video!!!
@@scottearl7687 Better? Well that’s debatable. I’ve seen 5.7 ram trucks give a some LS guys big problems at the track. I agree with you on the LS platform is definitely cheaper though. The after market support for the hemi isn’t as large as it is with Ford and GM, so the expense makes sense. However Eric Holdner proved the older 5.7 hemi’s are more than capable of 600+ stock bottom end with the right piston ring gap. Who knows what the 5.7 Eagle would do. So there’s definitely a conversation to be had about the 5.7 itself. Let’s not take for granted that the drag pack starts life as a 5.7 block... and 7.5 second quarter is nothing to sleep on.
Yep, all true, but, price, availability, aftermarket support, and simplicity is why the LS is more prevalent. Good video regardless. Thanks for content.
another thing i noticed about the 5.0 is reliability. seen a lot of high mileage examples for sale and i think its a testament to why this is a great daily driver if you don't care that much about performance as well.
You can’t just discount weight because of displacement. It’s all part of the motor and you can cherry pick all you want, but the LS packs more power in a smaller footprint with a very old design. I don’t hate Coyotes, hi-rev motors are fun, but LS motors are king by far. Your fox body example is hilarious because they mostly use iron block LS platforms for their power plant.
Takes a coyote all day to catch a stock c8 they won't even run even close to Z06 can't imagine what's going to happen when they introduce the z51 the 5.5 is an overhead valve motor just like the coyote and it'll destroy it the ls is not a fair comparison it's a single overhead cam which will still outrun the coyote if you guys go back and look at the test that they did that coyote on boost but it busted the timing chain the Chevrolet LS series made 1700 horsepower the coyote can't hang with the ls with boost. Besides it ain't $30,000 to fix a junkyard 5.3 that will still outrun a coyote peace out
@@mikegimple4725 i love how much in denial you GM fanboys are. The Camaro Can’t compete with the mustang so you got to compare apples to oranges over a different class of car 😂 imagine you think you’re smart comparing a mustang to a mid engine car that’s costs a lot more. There’s plenty of mustangs that are faster than C8s anyways if you give them room to stretch their legs and don’t sissy out on a 1/8 track because you know you’re gonna lose.
I’m a bowtie guy at heart but I’ve always been a 5.0 fan. I still believe the best sounding v8’s were the mid 80’s to early 90’ 5 liters. A really aggressive cam with 2 chamber flow masters sounds heavenly 😍
You are right on point as far as sound goes I’ve said this for years there’s nothing like the sound of a 2 chamber flow master heavy cam of five O fox body
i still prefer an LS tho because with minimal parts u can still run lots of power especially on boost and still be reliable to drive as a daily. and if u looking to get high hp with a stock bottom end the all you have to do is change the crank bolts and re gap the piston rings. u still have to go into the engine but other than that u could save lots of money 🤷🏿♂️
Man, I had an '03 Ford Lightning and my brother had an '04 Mustang Cobra (both brand new). Those 2 were the best sounding cars ever. Both supercharged, Lightning had a 5.4 and Cobra had the 4.6
I had the first 99 lightning in my town. It followed the also new 93 Cobra that I eventually sold to a founder of the MCA. And a 93 and 95 lightning, 88 5.0 and 89 gt , etc. Ford has always paid for tech in the engines. The Sierra RS Cosworth, SVO, and SHO are the first show of serious engineering. The new Corvette engine is a huge improvement on the coyote. Over 600hp naturally aspirated. I like my Dodge products for the retro design and simple but reliable engines however. The Ford rules in the v8 category until the Corvette engine gets into the Camaro if it is still ever going to be produced.
Very informative, love my 10r80 gen 3 coyote and have had a fbo Gen 1 V love both motors just astounding how capable the coyote is out of the box like you said boost fuel system and OPGS 🤣
@@169abr yes it’s a good safety precaution tho, manual cars need it more lund even states it can be optional for auto cars due to how they shift. If you have 2 step you want it tho.
Carroll Shelby was quoted one time saying that the 4.6L and 5.4L platform was one of the best engineered engine of all times. With that said, only if he would lived to see where the 5.0L roots has become.
Now that would be awesome or better yet a 7.0L (427) Coyote V8 for the Modern day Boss 429 and it would make well over 750 HP NA and it would be considered the Modern day 427 SOHC Cammer V8. Also There's the 6.2L SOHC 2V BOSS V8 as well could be considered the Modern day Cammer if done right and bump the displacement to 7.0 liters.
Loved my 15 gt tune exhaust making 440rwhp far from my fastest vehicle but was a fun car to drive. Bought it to supercharge it and decided it was fast enough without it. Loved how it built power all the way to 7500 like a big turbo 4 cyl.
I love everything about the coyote on paper, but the footprint and its complexity keep me away. It is massive from valve cover to valve cover and has 40 more moving parts, even with the "technical" advantages, it doesn't seem to hold up on a dollar to dollar basis. As things are slowly getting better with more vehicles on the road using this platform I could see myself getting more interested in a build using this platform. Ford has always been or tried to be the "high tech" American automotive manufacturer, but it seems that 99% of the time this has just equaled a higher cost to build and a more limited audience in the after market scene. I still like it. its a mechanical masterpiece, truly a work of art.
Ford also made some really cool Canadian Muscle Cars 🇨🇦 as well like the Meteor Montcalm, Meteor Rideau, Meteor Ranchero, Monarch Lucerne, Mercury M100, Mercury Econoline, and the 60 Ford Frontenac. The only worst cars Ford has ever made was the Pinto and the stupid Edsel brand that failed miserably.
Coyote really is a masterpiece, and it sounds out of this world! I am not a Ford fan and hated mustangs growing up, but the more I learn, the more I appreciate the coyotye. And my ears ain't lyin!
Amazing break-down analysis, I would love to see the difference between the 5.0 and the 5.2 predator and Voodoo motors. From what I hear, they are all from the same family.
@MT82 Man Pedal I don't know if you all understand what I'm saying, the 4.6 and 5.4 are a part of a family of engines that are different from the Coyote platforms.
Back in 84 I bought a boss 302 from a local engine builder, Kirns in St Louis after I sucked a valve at 130mph, for my 68 Cougar, dad bought new, i restored in 90s and still own, with severely modified 351w heads on it, was 13:1, .640 lift roller cam... gas station still sold 110 then, would pull past 8000rpms. Was pure torque an HP for the day, would spin the tires at 40mph, shook the windows at McDonald's where guys met up to race, never lost one, it was scary fast. Got a 2014 f150 coyote few months back, it's gota helluva lotta giddy up, too bad it don't sound or rattle windows like my 68, was a bit hairy in the quarter. Both 302s but completely different but great, I prefer the 68, only has MSD 6AL box and distributor, no puters and was easy to dial in
The LS will remain the king of swaps for two reasons #1 They are cheaper #2 They are a MUCH smaller physical package. 7L LS is significantly more compact than a 5L Coyote.
Not really because barra with a few bolt on can beat LS but getting it here in us from Australia is a different story but ls are nice but barra lighter and better.
@@Goldenjews1234 no barra is not better it depends what the application is how much money you want to spend and whether you prefer a 6 or a 8 l have a ls with bolt ons and nitrous and it beats plenty of barras with bolt ons 😁👍
My 2011 Camaro SS with a new GM performance LS3 495 horsepower crate engine and a 6L80e transmission with a circle D 4200rpm stall converter with stock 3.27 gears tuned and runs on E85 with other upgrades ran 7.4 at 94mph in the eighth mile naturally aspirated many new 5.0 Mustangs with full bolt-ons 10 speed automatic with 3.73 gears running 7.90s with a 3500rpm stall converter was the fastest naturally aspirated 5.0 there most running 8.40s-8.80s l know the 5.0 crowd will say your LS3 has a not stock camshaft their right but the camshaft is anything but a max effort camshaft with with 219 duration intake and 228 duration exhaust with 525 lift on both is really a very mild camshaft it redlines at 6600rpm my car weighs 3920 with me in it has a full interior and air conditioning the only 5.0 Mustang that ran faster than my car the night l was at the track was one running 7.2s at 99mph but it had a turbo in it my car ran 7.40 at 94mph with only 3 passes on 20 psi in the Mickey Thompson 305/45r17 ET drag radials with more testing and experimenting with launch techniques and tire pressures could probably go 7.20s at 96mph not bad mouthing Fords 5.0 Coyote engine but with 32 valves and 4 camshafts vs a 16 valve 1 camshaft LS3 l just don't see how it's just that much better than the LS3 is the LS3 has better torque from idle to 4500rpm+ than the 5.0 Ford Coyote does is my opinion of course above 6500rpm is were the 5.0 has a advantage but most times by 6500rpm the 5.0 Coyote is going to be playing catch-up because because by 4000rpm the LS3 is already pulling hard the 5.0 needs to be turning 5000rpm+ to be pulling equivalent to the LS3 at 4000rpm
See the Coyote was not made for just power. Its a versatile engine. Its main advantage is not outright drag racing. It can tow, it can do some drags. It loves boost. It loves to do everything without opening the bottom end. That was Fords mission and they achieved that with fyling colours. Nobody here says its much better than LS3 but it can do everything using a different technology thats it. Also the 5.0 is more flexible across the world because it manages better COx figures per ppm, so it doesnt need the pollution tax that kills LS being sold across lot of regions across the world. Many Americans think the whole world is like USA. Thats the biggest issue.. They r blind and unidirectional.. When U explore the world U ll understand an OHV doesnt suit many situations.. While an OHC like Coyote can bypass lot of laws and regulations while making decent HP and while not being overtly expensive
@@1989rs500 l get it just for me the sophistication of a 32 valve V8 that stock makes equal power to a 16 valve one camshaft conventional V8 is not worth it to me the simplicity of the 16 valve one cam V8 makes it more desirable to me not that l don't appreciate the technology or performance potential of a 32 valve V8 if money wasn't a problem l would love to have a 32 valve V8 but if that was the case l wouldn't be messing around my dream engine would be a Mercury Racing SB4 LS7 7.0 but the 33,000 dollar price is more than l have in my car total but if l could have any engine and money wasn't a factor this would be my first choice a 7.0 liter 32 valve 8000rpm motor but then reality sets in
@@gloriamaletta8667 Absolutely.. 2 each their own. I d rather pick a 2012 5.0, slap on a supercharger on 93 tune. Thats it.. Probably around 600 whp. Its easy and reliable
@@1989rs500 good numbers my car made 430 to the wheels on the motor 550 on a 150 hit of nitrous but have jets for a 200 and a 250 hit kind of scared to go that high with it but I've seen 5.3 Chevy truck engines hit with a 150 hit of nitrous 75 times and is still running well but 600 to the wheels is outstanding not going to knock that have not hit my car with the nitrous other than when dynoed it's a pain in the ass car runs 26 degrees timing naturally aspirated and needs to have a computer to back timing off to 19 degrees for the nitrous so more bullshit involved than just smashing the gas pedal car seems a little sluggish naturally aspirated with only 19 degrees timing compared to 26
@@gloriamaletta8667 Yep Going NA is great but I ve seen 5.0s do 500 whp with FBO E85, but they behave like 525 hp ohv cars. Partly due to faster engine spinning and partly due to 7500 rpm redline. The 10 speed also makes it damn quick for s 500 hp car. So for being 100 hp/L without opening engine does make it pretty darn strong for the gen3 Coyote
Glad to see you review this engine. I like it. In my younger years I built small block Chevy engines. I like both now. ford used to suck in my eyes. Working on them was a pain. I felll in love with Coyote, designed for the Mustang, yes. 2011. Buy American, if it is not crap!!!
More complicated more maintance more expensive to modify 3 times the size and weight for less displacement oh and timing chains that have to be replaced every 50k milesn
I learned a lot from this video and the comments lol. Never knew Ford heads had 290 CFM( and Hemi's 340 cfm?). The best thing about an LS is the fact that it makes great power with a small package; you can fit it into damn near anything. Also, stock motor can take a beating, a cam cost $200 (compared to $1000+ for coyote), valvetrain is cheap, engines are cheap (got my aluminum 5.3 truck motor for $500). Regardless Fords sound great at 8000 rpm, great motor for NA. That's why I'm excited for the c8 z06, 5.5l 670hp 8600 RPM
Chevy won in the single cam pushrod engine competition and I have a feeling this new Z06 vette engine will trump the coyote as well. Time will tell. Either way these days you gotta just appreciate any v8s on the market with this EV crap.
20 years ago my import buddies hated on pushrod V8s....my father a Porsche tech always said "they're just air pumps!"...He'd explain Germans and Japanese use smaller higher revving engines with DOHC head designs. Americans large displacement cam in block designs that were cheap and reliable. I'm amazed today how LS guys now hate DOHC and the import kids of the 90s really respect those Coyotes 💯👍
@@169abr you act like all LS are stock block running 8psi lol you can easily put anywhere from 5/10K into an LS motor. Which isn't "cheap". Compare a 700HP 5.3 to a 700HP 5.0 Coyote of any generation though. Becomes pretty clear WHY. You'll save a few G's with an LS to build the rest of the car. When you have a wife and kids and don't have an engineering degree, you'd probably go LS.
@@R3AL-AIM I already own a Coyote, and my girlfriend owns a Coyote. We don’t really want kids yet, I’d put that 10k into my bank account stay NA until I can afford to either refresh my Gen 2 or Trade in and get a lower mileage example, or if I’m ballsy I’ll boost a high mile one and see what happens. LS is boring to me and I don’t wanna do any swaps, I prefer to work with what I have an save myself a ton of hassle. 700hp if you’re talking crank is a Paxton or Vortech away which can be bought for 4K off the used market and easily make 700 on pump gas with BAP & inhectors
Can you talk about why the LS 4.8 holds more power with boost than the coyote? I mean all the 4.8L LS needs is turbo cam, fuel, and tune with the turbo amd it can make way more than any generation coyote there is.
No it certainly can not. Richard Holdener has dyno videos proving what you just said is a lie. The coyote will handle well above 1000 hp with just ring gap.
Good video. Best engine (I’ll take the beating for this) Ford has made since the 60’s. Not to say others since then haven’t been good, but the Coyote is definitely one that makes its mark. Still love the LS. But glad to see the rivalry is alive and well between the oval and bow tie.
I feel like the SC 4.6 4 valve in the terminators are pretty ahead of their time, the 5.0 is definitely better (because it’s the bigger better brother that was based on the 4.6) just thought the 4.6 4v deserved a mention because it was the inspiration for the 5.0
@@hitlersmissingtesticle69 you’re not wrong that motor can take a beating but it needs cams and an ECU, the Termi was much much more potent than anything on the streets at the time besides maybe a 2J and is still somewhat relevant today.
@@169abr if we’re being honest, the 302 Windsor probably gets the nod for most used Ford engine to build a race car. And, to be honest, they sound amazing. The termi 4.6, again, did have its time in the sun, and does sound amazing. But I don’t really feel either of them made everyone else stop and take notice. At least not the way the Coyote has. But yes, those two do tend to get ruffled when I say things like that lol
@@hitlersmissingtesticle69 1.) The Terminator motor was very ahead of its time, and when it came out, it really put the Cobra in a league of its own. But it’s just not got that much staying power, at least not like the Coyote does. But yes, definitely worth a mention. 2.) However did you manage to make it out of Royal Albert Hall?
Every trick in the book. DOHC, DI, VVT, super high rev, high compression and multi valves. It is quite the piece! I’m a Hemi guy but you have to give credit where it’s due.
as much as i really like the hemis they have all that power but so much weight. great cars high power just a little on the heavy side
That much out of a 5.0, it's bad azzed.
It's nothing special. The Europeans and Asians have been doing DOHC and VVT for years
@@frenchonion4595 Yeah, but they not getting 500 HP out of their engines.
@@rayzee7561 Because they are mostly 2 liters but the horse per liter has always been there
My old gearhead dad always told me the secret to any V8 is in the heads. Getting them to breathe is what helps them turn out high power and RPM. If you've ever noticed a coyote torn down it's actually a very small block with very huge cylinder heads..
Yeah by default not by design. Of course a 2 cams in a head require a bigger cylinder head that a cam in the center of the block.
@@ssj2camaro21 also I specialized in ls builds and a few coyote engines
By design redneck
The heads are huge because the cams are in the heads lmao
A wise advice.
Well, I have a bone stock 2012 coyote; it just rolled 306k and apart from plugs, nothing has ever come out/off of the motor. Only uses .5 quarts of conventional oil between 5K changes. No complaints here. Id get another one once it dies.
306?! Damn that’s awesome
I have a 2013 bone stock as well and it’s 110k miles I never dog on it or anything and it runs amazing. Hopefully lasts me over 220k
Miles or kilometers?
Almost 30K miles per year? Holy shit that's a lot of gas money lol.
@@sntslilhlpr6601 mf is racing for cash or is really using the mf as a daily😮
The second 2011 hit, and I saw Ford was releasing a 5.0 again, named a dang 'coyote' I wanted one immediately. I grew up, got a job and got a 16 GT last year, I'm super in love with the car. Bringing it out to 7200 and shifting just feels different and gives a new appreciation for cars to me. This is a seriously legendary engine, and in my opinion will go down in history of top 10 engines of all time; in America at least
Sounds awesome brother, I have a 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 147,000 miles on it still going strong and its a beast and it sounds like a beast with the Borla ATAK exhaust on it.
@@CJColvin cool. I prefer to leave the "beast performance" to cars like my BMW. My truck is for towing and whatever else I decide to do with it, but speed definitely isn't a good quality for a real truck. RAM TRX, RAPTORS are stupid. Their just pavement queens, might as well bought a car. Especially when most guys who have trucks just go MALL CRAWLING🤣
@@Wicked_RotF30 True mate true.
@@CJColvin Same here, my '14 Ford F150 has the 5.0 coyote as well and it sounds so good when you get into it even completely stock. Even the intake noise is so good.
@@bryanr93 Awesome brother, the Borla ATAK exhaust on my truck sounds awesome brother.
I come from the Supra world (5MGE, 7MGTE, 1JZGTE, 2JZGTE) and i love learning about other engines. This video was fantastic, no biased opinion just facts and great explanation. Look forward to future videos you break down like this.
And, do you like the coyote?
@@marcelk3847 yeah i do I think the coyote is a strong engine
@@marcelk3847 for a stock build coyote is the best american engine by far. LS and hemi only great because the simplicity but thats also limiting. i prefer a dohc engine it just makes more sense to make more power.
@337Speed Australian guy here... I just wanted to say a huge thank you. I've learnt more about the various US built engines here on your channel than I have in years watching hundreds of other videos UA-cam.. Seriously... you know your sh*t and I love your videos. Much respect.
- Perth, Western Australia
Wish we got your barra !
@Michael Ramirez Yep. 2 million people in the middle of nowhere!
13 Caprice is the most foreign you can own and why. Holden 🦁 🇦🇺
I am a mechanic and have lots of ls and coyote engines laying around. Couple things not mentioned are cam swaps are easy on a coyote. No measuring push rod length and no need to degree the cam. Then the biggest thing I love about working on a modular engine is no accessory brackets.
Explain, in detail, how lining up 2 dots, on 2 sprockets, and hanging ONE chain, is HARDER than indexing 4 chains, on 5 sprockets, with 5 different marks. Also GM did not use a degree wheel on the million + LS engines they shipped, and neither do you have to, if you don't want to. Also, dozens of cams are available in stock base circle, require zero pushrod changes. Sounds to me like despite you being a mechanic, you've never touched and engine with a wrench, and sure as hell not a Coyote. One valve cover has more fasteners to remove than the LS cam swap total. You really don't know what the hell you're talking about, do you ?
@@jamesgeorge4874 sounds like you only play around with stock ls stuff. Put an adult size camshaft in and you start changing base circle. Put aftermarket heads on and you always check push rid length. Zero deck the block and then checking it again and ordering custom length push rods. The after that you have to degree the cam. If you think it takes a lot of time to line up a couple more dots then grab your box of crayons and your retard helmet and leave this to the pros.
@MT82 Man Pedal they’re good but aftermarket cams can be a 80~HP difference on NA builds
@@jamesgeorge4874 thank you I was about to type out the same exact thing. Dual overhead cams are a nightmare to clock. Most coyote guys just leave it alone until the timing chain snaps.
@@SuperSilvi1990 to be fair, I've done major engine work on Ford, Dodge, and GM V8's for a long time, the new Hemi, and LS family are much easier, Ford has been on a mission to make technicians life hell since 1997. You should work on the 6.7 Powerstroke, every decision made about servicing that engine, had punishment in mind. I was a pretty hardcore Ford guy, untill I started fixing them.
I enjoyed this lesson. I am a Nissan/Mitsubishi driver, but I was always curious about the Mustangs. The Coyote is a formidable beast. If I can find one overseas where I work, I may buy one.
The 5.0L Coyote V8 is definitely a beast. I have a 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 147,000 miles on it still going strong and its a beast and it sounds like a beast with the Borla ATAK exhaust on it.
Coyotes definitely LOVE boost! I outrun a lot of things with a conservative setting on my blower.
Same here .. my boosted F150 breaks hearts
There are certain aspects that make the 5.0 better. But I still think the LS3 was the best v8 of the past 20 years. They were simple, reliable, sounded great, and can handle enough power. The newer LT series I do not like. They added all the new stuff like DI, AFM, and VVT. I would buy a 5.0L over a LT1 and do currently own a gen 3 5.0L.
Cannot disagree with you here
I'd still buy an LT over a coyote
@@james10739 why. Coyotes flow better rev higher and make more hp without a struggle. RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX. But make sure u go the 3-2-1 method like this guy said in the video to make good hp reliably
@@motorlife5239 not to mention if we’re talking end goal… the ford modular platform has been in promod cars making upwards of 3000+ Hp for almost 2 decades… the LS platform is not nearly as footed at that power level and not to mention dodge and the new HEMI is basically nonexistent at that level. Not that it really applies to you and I but it’s still cool to know there’s a factory ford crank and engine block out there making 3000hp 🤣
@@Texas_Road_Warrior you know nothing of drag racing by that comment.
I have never been a ford guy, but that motor is one of the best ford has made in a long time.
Well they only had almost 100 years to do it and still isn't that great compared to many others.
@@lordpula1193 best ford motor, but as for other options available for other makes , no would not put this in anything other then a Ford.
@@usandthagunns3922 if this is their best then that sucks because many motors take it out. I had meant many ford body chasis use gm or hemi style swaps. Only dumb people's would put a ford motor in a non ford chasis ha.
@@usandthagunns3922 They would if they could. People dont because the engine is very big compared to a LS and way more expensive compared to a LS doesnt mean it isnt one of the best engines.
Ford has made plenty of great engines bud. The small block Ford and the 2 valve modular engines are extremely reliable. As well as many others. While the 2 valve modular may not make crazy power, it's extremely reliable. Just make sure to change the spark plugs every 90k and torque them more than the 11 ft.lbs. Ford wants them at.
You're correct that it's it's "easy mode" with a coyote that you don't have to go into the motor...until you do. If you're just slapping boost on one 500-700ish hp is pretty easy. But if you want to build a coyote for more it is a more sophisticated engine than the LS. The coyote in my drag car has vvt deletes and locked cams and let me tell you, I've gotten really good at degreeing cams when I decided to build a coyote. I also learned a lot more about things like cam timing and overlap messing around with these things then I ever did with sbc.
In fact, I so fell in love with the coyote I swapped on into my old camaro 😁.
So cool! 🤘 Would love to hear more about your cars :) Greetings from Finland in the nordics 👋
@@piuthemagicman
I have a few short video clips on my page if you're interested. I finally got around to buying a gopro camera so I should be able to post some videos of it at the dragstrip this spring. Went 10.95 at 130mph on 5psi of boost last year. My goal is low 10's this year.
Any recommendations for a “starter” car to build out that isn’t too expensive, but will give me experience actually digging into an engine?
The LS is a better engine, period.
@@StonkeyKong
Pretty much anything to your liking with a small block chevy in it - tons of different cars and pickups had them. It's a tough engine, most versions respond really well to bolt-ons, parts are cheap and everywhere, info on how to build them is everywhere. There are small block Fords and Mopars but they're a little bit less popular so not quite as much aftermarket support but still really good options.
If imports are more your thing 90s civics are still pretty plentiful and have a ton of support too. Not as much power but you don't need as much in a lighter car.
I have a 540hp 5.3 LH6 Trailblazer SWB.
It's pretty fast and sounds unbelievable with its stg 3 cam, custom heads, and upgraded valvetrain and forged internals.
3k stall, American Racing longtube headers running to X-pipe and Spintech mufflers make it sound phenomenal.
One thing I learned is there is always something bigger and badder so enjoy other people's rides and enjoy yours.
We live in the greatest muscle car era ever. Its gonna be gone soon so enjoy it.
What year?
I love these types of videos. its fun to learn what makes the engines so great
in total. i will love every american v8 engine. its amazing how each brand makes there own version of a v8 engine
Seriously... It's like pick your poison... gotta respect Ford just as much as Chevy and Dodge
@@beastmaster415 I also really like how they each have their own character, used to be a hemi guy when I was younger but as I get older I appreciate them ls's and coyotes more since they're good at different things
@@scordatura9259 hell yeah dude... Like that gt350... Not a person on this planet that doesn't like that sound😂
@@scordatura9259 And at this point it’s pretty hard to say any engine is directly better then the other… Almost all these new muscle cars will make 800 Whp with some somewhat basic changes.
Not for long. All the electric fan boys are killing V8's. Soon we will all be driving wack electric cars that make no sexy V8 noises.
Great videos on explaining the the pros and cons of tuning modern American Muscle platforms. Keep up the great work.
Ford Australia and FPV used a blown 5L in the FG and FG-X cars, and they sound delightful! They make big power with just a tune. 335kW and 570Nm in standard form, but most of us believe these numbers are understated, and are closer to 400kW, as they dyno over 300rwkW in stock form (the GT-F at least!)
Just discovered this channel! Love your engine comparisons! Very well informed, and yet entertaining and not dry at all!! Love it!! More videos like these would be awesome for newcomers to the community! Or long time nerds like me who just love seeing every possible POV about the topic!
the 2003-2004 SC 4.6L 4V in the SVT Cobra aka The Terminator is a damn good engine that Ford made
You hurt my Gen 2’s feelings with that MPG comment, 19.3 average MPG. Also Shoutout to my boy Frank for that racing footage.
Can I be Frank?
@@e46m54nissansr20937 yessir
@@169abr that was an oldie but a goody
@@CanIbeFrank all the videos are goodies my man.
Such an amazing platform..I have an 18 tune, e85, gt350 half shafts, longtubes, and 10r80..ran a 10.78..
N/A crazy..!
I love the sound they make at high rpm.
We meet again.
@@169abr 😀 seems that we have the same interests lol.
@@granthenneke both have Blue S550’s so I’d say we have slight interests
@@169abr yep! I just put longtubes on my car and it's totally changed the driving dynamic. Should have done it sooner
The first time I heard a Coyote Mustang at the track, I was hooked! Very unique & cool sound.
Nah chief, this was a really well explained and thought out video. Father was a Chevy Man, grew up to be a Dodge/Mopar man, and learned to appreciate Ford. Right now I just love anything combustion, and badge loyalty isn't a thing anymore and grew out of that phase. I just appreciate great engineering, same can't be said for others who have their Bias. Looking forward to hearing about the Gen III/IV Hemi's. Thought I already know what's coming...price tag of a Ford, and none of the LS benefits/accomplishments. Honestly aftermarket Gen II Hemi's are a better option IMO. It hurts to say coming from a guy who loves Dodge, but I acknowledge faults when I see it. Also, would love to see a short thoughts and opinions on Ford's recent Godzilla
@berserker406 Very true. On the bright side, swapping a Godzilla into older rigs feels more justified and gives a peace of mind.
@berserker406 Like make it a 7.3L DOHC 32V V8.
@@josefrobbins8781 have you seen what hemi style non dodge engines can do? Like proline, noonan, morrison, etc etc. Hemi & Chevy style motors still whoop ford pretty much most of the time still.
@@lordpula1193 Yep, I've heard of those guys. Sonny's and Arias are one of the greats who have experimented with the Chevy Block-Hemi Head combo, and you've got some of the greats like Brodix Chevy Blocks, John Kaase with Ford, and Keith Black for Chrysler/Dodge. So yeah I'm aware of the world of aftermarket, and the companies that build race engines.
Though the topic at hand is running a stock factory block, and finding it's limitations build or budget wise, and not using a race block. A company like Proline makes just full blown race engines, and I wouldn't even call their engine based on the Gen II Hemi, and more like a tribute to the Gen II because the Proline shares no similarities with the original Chrysler's 426 aside from the 2V Hemi Combustion chamber, the use of a 4 bolt mains, and maybe the Valve cover design.
@@josefrobbins8781 Yup so many, dart too. Sonny's is more nitrous or na based but still. Even excluding proline and most of those, chevy and hemi from factory engines still best and beat ford's engines. You have to build them but even stock for stock hemis and chevy based engines still make over 1000 hp not built. fords need to build them too otherwise they're sitting bombs. Point is whether from factory or the at the highest levels it's mostly chevy, dodge and all their counterparts. Fords is every now and then. Even then it's a ford body or chasis with a hemi or chevy swap.
the Ford Mustang is simply the best NA platform out there, FOrd literally gives you a Mustang with a third of its potential. the ten speed 5.0 Mustang is a budget super car.
Man this video was solid entertaining and packed with info. Thanks
That's the tradeoff here. You get to choose the better head, or the larger block. I think I like the ohv better though. It's easier to get the GM engines to rev than it is to increase the displacement of the coyote. I also like the fact that ohv engines fit in smaller engine bays.
Isnt all of the engines over head valve.. did you mean cam?
@@MichaelWittner pushrod engines have yhe classification of OHV. Yes all engines are OHV but they do not have cams above them. Imo easier way to say ut is CIB or cam in block
@@azolis1597 ok gotcha. Just using different terms than what im used to. We usually say DOHC or SOHC and call the others push rod motor
ohc engines are not true american v8 muscle
Great video! The boss302 roadrunner does come pretty much built from the factory, with the forged crank ect. Also Gen 1 are safe anywhere in the 600s, it's once you make 700+Rwhp you'll pop it. Oh and OPGS are only a issue if you're bouncing off the limiter.
What is your opinion on the Boss's maximum HP?
@@JamesWilliams-dj2bp same as a Gen 2, around 800, its the transmission that will go before the engine on a Boss 302
@@JamesWilliams-dj2bp North of 1000Rwhp. The boss came with a forged crank, with pistons & rods. As well with boss specific cams, heads, valves, & valves springs. Gen 2 got some of these goodies, but not everything.
@@RR550_ roadrunner > Gen 2
Forged pistons and better heads/cams. 1000whp stock motor is a lot easier to handle on them.
All you got to do is take the pistons out and gap the rings to 30 thousandths. Then they are good for 900 hp all day. The number one reason stock engines fail, while being boosted, is ring gap. Nobody bothers taking the pistons out and gapping the rings for boost. Before throwing 20 psi on stock gap. 🤣
I love my gen 3 coyote. Put it on the dyno and straight from the factory it made 412 wheel horsepower. Now I've added a Roush X pipe, steeda CAI and an E85 tune. I'll find out my new numbers next month which I'll post on my channel.
Yea I just sold my mustang still sad. Was a 2017 ecoboost. With just an intercooler, downpipe and a tune thing made 403 wheel with 460 tq but made over 400 tq at about 2000 rpms. Funny how the small ecoboost engines are torque monsters while big displacement boosted coyotes are hp monsters. Wonder why coyotes for making so much hp make so little tq till it's way up high.
@@4touchdowns1game29 because that's what boost can do to an engine
@@4touchdowns1game29 small turbo = fast spool, which means more torque down low.
@@4touchdowns1game29 engine design
@@4touchdowns1game29 that small turbo on the eco spools up early that’s why
Great video! I'm team coyote. Have had my 16 GT since brand new and now have a Whipple on it. It's a beast with the blower on it!
I have a Gen 1 Coyote in a '12 GT making 463WHP/422WTQ. Full bolt ons, custom tune. Never been inside the motor. Plus, gets 28 mpg highway.
Can’t wait for HEMI breakdown!
The voodoo has to be my favorite engine for its sound. My only hope is I can mess with it the same way you can a coyote
have fun with that....due to the lack of a balanceshaft to counter-act the flat-plane crank design, the 170g's of lateral movement vibration from 7250-8000 it just keeps breaking starters, bellhousings, and even in some cases breaking the track-pack oil cooler right off the side of the block...JUNK!
I have a 2011 F150 5.0 best truck I owned. Has 224k miles and used it for many road trips. The most I ever had the truck do, was towing my other car from STL to LV. Very reliable and smooth power delivery. I know the truck 5.0 is different than the mustang 5.0. But regardless the 5.0 is a very good motor. One day I’ll get a gen 3 10speed 😉
Present day I have a ‘12 F150 Coyote with 65,000 miles. I have an aftermarket exhaust system and it sounds just like its coupe comparison sister. Gosh I love the truck, lowering it soon and putting some love into the engine. But Im sure it’ll be very appreciative of the power I put behind that crank. One other thing I noticed is while Coyotes also love hogging air into the intake, when you downshift in those trucks/stangs, the backfire is one of the scariest noises Ive ever heard. Its sure enough to make a whole daycare wet themselves lmao
I have a 2011 f150 5.0 and a 2019 3.5 ecoboost. Smooth power delivery? the 5.0 doesnt make power until 4500rpm. Drive an ecoboost.
@@enigma9789 the EB has too many horror stories than the 5.0. They make power but at the end of the day the 5.0 is the better motor.
@@6.2Slomaro But how do you know without owning both?
@@enigma9789 why would I own one after knowing from everyone’s experience with the EB? I did my research while I was looking for an Ford F-150 and I’ll gladly stick to the 5.0 motor.
Best review I've "EVER" listened to. Thank you.
PLEASE PLEASE do the 2UR-GSE. Its also a 5.0 dual overhead cam. Id love to hear your take on that mill.
How about an in depth video on the different versions of 4.6L and 5.4L modular Fords?
I'm familiar with 4-valve motorcycle engines and two valve motorcycle engines there is a pretty big difference in horsepower on the dyno and especially the cylinder heads at low lift on a flow bench the four valve flows a lot more air at low lift just my experience but this is not set in stone there's an advantage to having four small valves versus too big valves the two big valves are heavier and they will float before the four small valves float just saying
That depends. BMW m43 8 valve vs m44 16 valve, intake 71g vs 2x47g, exhaust 64g vs 2x47g.
more small circles can consume more area of a larger circle they are fit in.. more valves should allow more air in and out as you open more of the cylinder with eqch breath. yamahamma made a 5 valve for q second!
5.0 is a great platform no doubt . But your wrong a c7 zo6 can make 1000whp bone stock with just fueling upgrade and a blower swap from the smaller stock 1.7 blower to a Ysi or f194a and make it all day reliably.
Loved how in depth this is, thanks for the information!
simple NA stuff is great for coyotes too, my ‘15 Mustang with ~$5-600 in bolt ons makes 480 to the wheel and revs to 8k. couldn’t ask for more out of a little NA V8, it’s so much fun
You don't need to rev a LS that high because of the displacement. I believe the high revs to make the power is what puts a mustang in to the curb after the 1-2 shift. The LS is still the most common engine swap even after 2011. I hate Fords but still love your videos. Keep up the great work bro.
When I used to do commercial roofing. My work truck was a first gen 5.0. By the time it got to me it had 550k miles and when I quit that company she was about to touch 750k miles. Still to this day, I think about that truck and it was almost 7 year ago. I’ve been through a LBZ duramax and an Ecoboost. I’m about to buy me a 24’ 5.0 f150 and this channel just absolutely sealed the deal on everything for me.
I like this guy because he is a die hard ls guy and gives ford the props they have earned since the 03 cobra was released
the ls3 makes similar to more power on boost with cam and there are heads flowing 360-380 you can buy to make 800rwhp. put forged pistons and rods and make 1100 reliably
Exactly
Without forced induction I doubt it. Also I better get higher horse for a 6.2 liter.
@@losifer3867 800-950 rwhp stock bottom end ls3 light boost. 1100 forged internals, never break beating on it, 1300-1500 rwhp on stock aluminum block with aftermarket sleeves, and lsx iron block for higher power drag builds. 1200 has been dynoed from stock rotating assembly 4.8 truck ls engines. try that with a 12 to one compression 5.0 and see what happens. without e85 or race fuel and an expert tuner, over 800 power levels on pump with a coyote will explode. over 800 with any platform requires full 20000 dollar builds to live for a while regardless. you are an ls newb my friend
@@losifer3867 Stroker LS3s and LS7's routinely make 600+ at the tire N/A. I know this from experience
But ya see fords bottom end can handle up to 800 hp safely from the factory
Man the 4v 4.6 has a loud ass cold start too!!!
My neighbors hate my ass! Cars & Coffee is early on Saturday morning!
Amazing video! Grew up loving Chevy's, started with an old C10 with a built block, now I bought a 2021 GT with the 10 speed and man does these 5.0s put in work!
My mustang ecoboost beats 5.0s all day
There’s always a eco booster out there waiting in the shadows to justify their purchase vs a 5.0. Don’t get me wrong, I love the eco boost platforms and respect the power they can make but stock vs stock the 4cyl mustang doesn’t stand a chance vs a 5.0. Now with a tune and a boost controller they are absolutely faster than a stock 5.0 but both at max bolt on or max boosted the 5.0 will win every time even built N/A 5.0 vs bolt on eco boost leans towards the 5.0🤷🏾♂️
@@xxxroberttheking yeah ur right! But I’m the one lurking in the shadows! Hahah my stock engine with
Upgraded turbo and intercooler is maxed out at 420whp. And yeah stock vs stock a 5.0 wins hands down but the ecoboost mustang actually keeps up pretty well and almost ties in a 1/8th mile race. So the ecoboost are impressive for being a 4 cylinder! Right now I’m building a 1000whp ecoboost mustang! Gonna be sick!! But seriously people under estimate the ecoboost mustang! And I’ve raced scat packs and 5.0s and I’ve won! My new build is gonna be a one a kind!! I’ve always been a 4 cylinder turbo guy so when mustang ecoboost came out I had to have it and with the 10 speed transmission it’s pretty impressive even at stock! But just with upgraded turbo and intercooler you can reach 420whp on the stock engine. And for way less money then a 5.0 or scat pack cost. I seriously love my car so much even at the 420whp limit. It rips!
@@Paper.Power.Politics I understand your enthusiasm, but with the right amount of money, anything can make good power. However, spend the same money on the coyote and I can almost guarantee the 5.0 will make 1500+ hp. Funnily enough, the 2.3-2.5 Duratec engines are thought to be a 5.0 cut in half. They also have a high volumetric efficiency. My n/a 2.5 has a volumetric efficiency of around 105-110, just like the Coyote. I will be boosting it soon and see what it does.
@@cesarpalmos8235 yeah I agree , yiur 100% right. A mustang ecoboost is just what I wanted tho. To each there own. But My build is not the normal ecoboost build. I’m using a sleeved 2.0 focus ST block with the 2.3 internals. The focus ST 2.0 block is way stronger then the 2.3. I’m also using a 4 port head vs the stock single exhaust port head. Everything is custom spec forged. Goin along with a xona xr 105 69s turbo and turbo kit made by ets. Also gonna be dual injection port and direct. It’s a extensive build and built to handle way more then the stock 2.3 is built for. Also getting the 10 speed transmission built , also gonna be dual clutch like the 10 speed on the 5.0 is. Using the best metals and parts you can get for the build. Like custom spec Darton sleeves, custom spec traum pistons, custom cvt piper cams, 4330 Callie’s enforcer rods , coated bushing with upgraded 3.5 rod bolts and a upgraded h13 tool steel wrist pins. It’s gonna be sick!!!!!
At this point in my life (67yo) my 2016 Mustang GT convertible does absolutely everything perfectly. It idles, it sings, it cruises down the highway and gives great milage. It is a FANTASTIC car.
that was great. I always thought the only way to go would be an LS swap. I'd love to do a Coyote swap on one of my Crown Vics whenever (or if it ever) wears out. But they seem so well made that they will probably outlive me.
I had a 2003 Crown Vic with 300k on it. It was my first car. Just sold it. I just had to add some oil every couple thousand miles. Changed the coil packs and spark plugs but besides only a few other minor mechanical things it runs great. The 4.6 is one of the most reliable engines ever made in America.
Get your wallet out bro
Your old vic motor will never die. You're just going to have to do it.
Ur gonna spend less than half on an ls than a coyote 5.slow. hell even the lincoln continental guys build turbo ls engines for roughly 6k rather than a bone stock coyote for12-15k
@@projectf025Not necessarily man. My buddy runs a hot rod shop and they're building an early Bronco with a Ford Performance Coyote, trans, wiring harness computer etc. He said it was about 1000 bucks cheaper than the LS GM equivalent. The Coyote swaps are expensive, but the LS swaps are by no means cheap either.
".....How 5.0 Coyote Engines Beat LS and LT....."
Do they?
They're bulkier, more complicated, more expensive, about the same weight but 50-to-100 c.i. smaller, and no more rugged. Aftermarket parts cost more, and are less easily found. An LS is pretty much THE choice for engine swaps, into virtually every car (except Mustangs). And I'm saying this as a non-Chevy fan.
You just have to watch the video. You can’t just read the title…
I give Coyote motors props where they're due . You can put a ton of boost to them and they make outstanding power . When you brought up the reliability of the coyote past 600 horsepower not being that great is exactly why I made the decision for a 7.0 LSx small block ( from blueprint ) from Summit . 650 horsepower out of the box . Works with the stock truck computer . Around 10k . Very reliable . Can I say I make more horsepower per cubic inch than a mustang ? Absolutely not . Can I have 127 more cubic inches from a smaller package than a coyote ? Absolutely . 427 cubic inches with a similar foot print to the 4.8 /293 V8 . That matters . Not only that but you're not touching a complete drop in race ready 650 horsepower coyote with a warranty for 10k . Since the Godzilla 7.3 has come out you especially can't deny the influence of the LS . Godzilla 7.3 uses pretty much the same architecture . Coil near plug , long runner intake , pushrod , skirted Y block , cam in block , 6 bolt mains with cracked bearing caps . It's not a bad thing or a bad formula . The dyno results speak for themselves .
Godzilla shares nothing in common with and ls all those features you’ve pointed out have already been used in the Ford Fe series big block from 1950’s to 1960’s
This was super clear and informative. Great job.
3:49 that’s not it, what your noticing is the difference between supercharging and turbocharging, not head flow differences because hellcat heads flow around 340cfm. It could be because the valve train on the coyote works better all around the rev range/ makes power higher but idk. For comparisons sake I believe the 6.4s flow around 360-380 and with a hellion twin turbo kit at 8lbs they can make 700whp
There’s more to it than cfm. The way the air flows in 2 valves has less static pressure and can flow more with less boost. It’s why Jon Kasse doesn’t like giving cfm flow numbers. He says to look at the horsepower numbers because the flow number doesn’t tell everything. If you don’t know who Jon Kasse is he’s probably the guy who’s won the Engine Masters challenge more than anyone.
Used to stomp on 5.0 fox bodies in my Buick gn back in the day. They really lost me when they went down to a 4.6. Now driving a hemi (the simplest engine ever) it’s very impressive how much power they get out of the small displacement. Dohc helps . Remember they were trying to put dohcs on 429 cobras and 426 hemis in the 60’s making over 1,000hp and got banned.
I like both the Coyote and the LS for different reasons, having owned both, and I think they're equally good. The 6.4 Hemi is probably my favorite though because it feels like it has the most soul put of the 3... for the most part.
6.4 or 6.2?
@@dougsmith3821 6.4. I prefer the Apache over the Hellcat.
chrysler junk
@@PeeterPuncher says the one who's name is "1993Cobra"
@@whatiwant8898 right lol
Inline 6 gang here.. mad respek for this engine - no doubt! I'm still thinking LS3 though
Can you compare a 5.0 coyote to a 5.4 dohc (ideally from gt500) and maybe throw in 4.6 dohc if they are close enough. Debating on what to swap into my new edge. Thanks!
2015 Coyote here with Roush cold air intake and Roush cat back exaust and this baby moves and sounds beautiful! Also cold start is really loud.... HP is approx 460 - Great video!!!
No lie, I’d love to see a comparison like this with the hemi, coyote, and LS/LT
No point ls/lt does everything the hemi does but cheaper and better
@@scottearl7687 Better? Well that’s debatable. I’ve seen 5.7 ram trucks give a some LS guys big problems at the track. I agree with you on the LS platform is definitely cheaper though. The after market support for the hemi isn’t as large as it is with Ford and GM, so the expense makes sense. However Eric Holdner proved the older 5.7 hemi’s are more than capable of 600+ stock bottom end with the right piston ring gap. Who knows what the 5.7 Eagle would do. So there’s definitely a conversation to be had about the 5.7 itself. Let’s not take for granted that the drag pack starts life as a 5.7 block... and 7.5 second quarter is nothing to sleep on.
Look up LS vs coyote shootout an you will see why LS is on top
I just came across this page and absolutely amazed by the knowledge.
Yep, all true, but, price, availability, aftermarket support, and simplicity is why the LS is more prevalent.
Good video regardless. Thanks for content.
Someone gets it!
gen 3 coyote a $8k roush whipple supercharger kit alone will make the car do 750 hp, reliability with stock internals, and those 10 speeds are no joke
Great video! I think that the coyote engine is doing for Ford what the small block engine did Chevy back in the day.
Great video explaining it all. People love bashing the 5.0 without any knowledge about how engines even work.
Hey I came into this video pretty skeptical but I learned a lot and I appreciate everything you said!
another thing i noticed about the 5.0 is reliability. seen a lot of high mileage examples for sale and i think its a testament to why this is a great daily driver if you don't care that much about performance as well.
You can’t just discount weight because of displacement. It’s all part of the motor and you can cherry pick all you want, but the LS packs more power in a smaller footprint with a very old design. I don’t hate Coyotes, hi-rev motors are fun, but LS motors are king by far. Your fox body example is hilarious because they mostly use iron block LS platforms for their power plant.
Bro you are right on point being a LS6 Z06 owner and a GT Mustang owner 👌🏿
these videos are amazing. looking forward to a video about the record breaking z06 NA engine coming in 2023!
Takes a coyote all day to catch a stock c8 they won't even run even close to Z06 can't imagine what's going to happen when they introduce the z51 the 5.5 is an overhead valve motor just like the coyote and it'll destroy it the ls is not a fair comparison it's a single overhead cam which will still outrun the coyote if you guys go back and look at the test that they did that coyote on boost but it busted the timing chain the Chevrolet LS series made 1700 horsepower the coyote can't hang with the ls with boost. Besides it ain't $30,000 to fix a junkyard 5.3 that will still outrun a coyote peace out
@@mikegimple4725 i love how much in denial you GM fanboys are. The Camaro Can’t compete with the mustang so you got to compare apples to oranges over a different class of car 😂 imagine you think you’re smart comparing a mustang to a mid engine car that’s costs a lot more. There’s plenty of mustangs that are faster than C8s anyways if you give them room to stretch their legs and don’t sissy out on a 1/8 track because you know you’re gonna lose.
Gm boys are going to have to learn to speak Chinese now since the China boys own gm 😊
even tho i don’t plan to live past 30 this guy is giving me a lot of knowledge and i appreciate you bro
I’m a bowtie guy at heart but I’ve always been a 5.0 fan. I still believe the best sounding v8’s were the mid 80’s to early 90’ 5 liters. A really aggressive cam with 2 chamber flow masters sounds heavenly 😍
You are right on point as far as sound goes I’ve said this for years there’s nothing like the sound of a 2 chamber flow master heavy cam of five O fox body
Could you make a tiktok on how you would build a coyote to beat a hellcat
i still prefer an LS tho because with minimal parts u can still run lots of power especially on boost and still be reliable to drive as a daily. and if u looking to get high hp with a stock bottom end the all you have to do is change the crank bolts and re gap the piston rings. u still have to go into the engine but other than that u could save lots of money 🤷🏿♂️
LS can make 1000hp way cheaper too. 500 for the motor out of a junkyard vs how much for a coyote motor?
Man, I had an '03 Ford Lightning and my brother had an '04 Mustang Cobra (both brand new). Those 2 were the best sounding cars ever. Both supercharged, Lightning had a 5.4 and Cobra had the 4.6
I had the first 99 lightning in my town. It followed the also new 93 Cobra that I eventually sold to a founder of the MCA. And a 93 and 95 lightning, 88 5.0 and 89 gt , etc. Ford has always paid for tech in the engines. The Sierra RS Cosworth, SVO, and SHO are the first show of serious engineering. The new Corvette engine is a huge improvement on the coyote. Over 600hp naturally aspirated. I like my Dodge products for the retro design and simple but reliable engines however. The Ford rules in the v8 category until the Corvette engine gets into the Camaro if it is still ever going to be produced.
Very informative, love my 10r80 gen 3 coyote and have had a fbo Gen 1 V love both motors just astounding how capable the coyote is out of the box like you said boost fuel system and OPGS 🤣
Don’t even need OPG’s honestly unless you’re banging off the limiter constantly.
@@169abr yes it’s a good safety precaution tho, manual cars need it more lund even states it can be optional for auto cars due to how they shift. If you have 2 step you want it tho.
@@jacobwalters418 yea if you’re banging off a 2step it’s a good idea. I just hate that people swear you need 2steps NA lol
Gotta love the 1st gen V’s!
Carroll Shelby was quoted one time saying that the 4.6L and 5.4L platform was one of the best engineered engine of all times. With that said, only if he would lived to see where the 5.0L roots has become.
Imagine a 6.2L Coyote 😮💨
Yeah that would be nice, but I would settle for a 5.2 Coyote; standard for the Mustang!
Now that would be awesome or better yet a 7.0L (427) Coyote V8 for the Modern day Boss 429 and it would make well over 750 HP NA and it would be considered the Modern day 427 SOHC Cammer V8. Also There's the 6.2L SOHC 2V BOSS V8 as well could be considered the Modern day Cammer if done right and bump the displacement to 7.0 liters.
That cold start made me spit out my drink hahahaha
Loved my 15 gt tune exhaust making 440rwhp far from my fastest vehicle but was a fun car to drive. Bought it to supercharge it and decided it was fast enough without it. Loved how it built power all the way to 7500 like a big turbo 4 cyl.
2015 GT recently installed 3.0 Whipple boundary OPG/CS on 93 pump gas 778 whp one happy Coyo
I love everything about the coyote on paper, but the footprint and its complexity keep me away. It is massive from valve cover to valve cover and has 40 more moving parts, even with the "technical" advantages, it doesn't seem to hold up on a dollar to dollar basis. As things are slowly getting better with more vehicles on the road using this platform I could see myself getting more interested in a build using this platform. Ford has always been or tried to be the "high tech" American automotive manufacturer, but it seems that 99% of the time this has just equaled a higher cost to build and a more limited audience in the after market scene. I still like it. its a mechanical masterpiece, truly a work of art.
Yeah as far as swaps into other chassis is the valve cover width makes it not possible.
@@TurboV8boi literally have to build the chassis around the engine, or truck
Ford also made some really cool Canadian Muscle Cars 🇨🇦 as well like the Meteor Montcalm, Meteor Rideau, Meteor Ranchero, Monarch Lucerne, Mercury M100, Mercury Econoline, and the 60 Ford Frontenac. The only worst cars Ford has ever made was the Pinto and the stupid Edsel brand that failed miserably.
Coyote really is a masterpiece, and it sounds out of this world! I am not a Ford fan and hated mustangs growing up, but the more I learn, the more I appreciate the coyotye. And my ears ain't lyin!
Amazing break-down analysis, I would love to see the difference between the 5.0 and the 5.2 predator and Voodoo motors. From what I hear, they are all from the same family.
They are, even the 4.6 and 5.4s are as well. All modular family engines
@@jmac2o229 The 4.6 and 5.4 are from a different family of engines.
@MT82 Man Pedal I don't know if you all understand what I'm saying, the 4.6 and 5.4 are a part of a family of engines that are different from the Coyote platforms.
I think the voodoo uses a flatplane (screamer) crankshaft
@@sidneysanders5726 It does, although it is still a different orientation from the GM 5.5 crankshaft.
Back in 84 I bought a boss 302 from a local engine builder, Kirns in St Louis after I sucked a valve at 130mph, for my 68 Cougar, dad bought new, i restored in 90s and still own, with severely modified 351w heads on it, was 13:1, .640 lift roller cam... gas station still sold 110 then, would pull past 8000rpms. Was pure torque an HP for the day, would spin the tires at 40mph, shook the windows at McDonald's where guys met up to race, never lost one, it was scary fast. Got a 2014 f150 coyote few months back, it's gota helluva lotta giddy up, too bad it don't sound or rattle windows like my 68, was a bit hairy in the quarter. Both 302s but completely different but great, I prefer the 68, only has MSD 6AL box and distributor, no puters and was easy to dial in
5.0 is such a good engine. Very reliable and powerful
Ford continue the old 5.0L recipe....the best SB's...from 1962 until today....litle and amaizing toys
This and the LS/LT episode is really cool!! Keep it up!
The LS will remain the king of swaps for two reasons
#1 They are cheaper
#2 They are a MUCH smaller physical package. 7L LS is significantly more compact than a 5L Coyote.
Except LS swaps are pretty much gone now. lol ITs odd watching you guys trying to live 15 years ago.
Ls swaps will never be gone 😁
Not really because barra with a few bolt on can beat LS but getting it here in us from Australia is a different story but ls are nice but barra lighter and better.
@@Goldenjews1234 no barra is not better it depends what the application is how much money you want to spend and whether you prefer a 6 or a 8 l have a ls with bolt ons and nitrous and it beats plenty of barras with bolt ons 😁👍
Thanks for your comprehensive evaluations. Good across many engines.
My 2011 Camaro SS with a new GM performance LS3 495 horsepower crate engine and a 6L80e transmission with a circle D 4200rpm stall converter with stock 3.27 gears tuned and runs on E85 with other upgrades ran 7.4 at 94mph in the eighth mile naturally aspirated many new 5.0 Mustangs with full bolt-ons 10 speed automatic with 3.73 gears running 7.90s with a 3500rpm stall converter was the fastest naturally aspirated 5.0 there most running 8.40s-8.80s l know the 5.0 crowd will say your LS3 has a not stock camshaft their right but the camshaft is anything but a max effort camshaft with with 219 duration intake and 228 duration exhaust with 525 lift on both is really a very mild camshaft it redlines at 6600rpm my car weighs 3920 with me in it has a full interior and air conditioning the only 5.0 Mustang that ran faster than my car the night l was at the track was one running 7.2s at 99mph but it had a turbo in it my car ran 7.40 at 94mph with only 3 passes on 20 psi in the Mickey Thompson 305/45r17 ET drag radials with more testing and experimenting with launch techniques and tire pressures could probably go 7.20s at 96mph not bad mouthing Fords 5.0 Coyote engine but with 32 valves and 4 camshafts vs a 16 valve 1 camshaft LS3 l just don't see how it's just that much better than the LS3 is the LS3 has better torque from idle to 4500rpm+ than the 5.0 Ford Coyote does is my opinion of course above 6500rpm is were the 5.0 has a advantage but most times by 6500rpm the 5.0 Coyote is going to be playing catch-up because because by 4000rpm the LS3 is already pulling hard the 5.0 needs to be turning 5000rpm+ to be pulling equivalent to the LS3 at 4000rpm
See the Coyote was not made for just power. Its a versatile engine. Its main advantage is not outright drag racing. It can tow, it can do some drags. It loves boost. It loves to do everything without opening the bottom end.
That was Fords mission and they achieved that with fyling colours.
Nobody here says its much better than LS3 but it can do everything using a different technology thats it.
Also the 5.0 is more flexible across the world because it manages better COx figures per ppm, so it doesnt need the pollution tax that kills LS being sold across lot of regions across the world. Many Americans think the whole world is like USA. Thats the biggest issue.. They r blind and unidirectional.. When U explore the world U ll understand an OHV doesnt suit many situations.. While an OHC like Coyote can bypass lot of laws and regulations while making decent HP and while not being overtly expensive
@@1989rs500 l get it just for me the sophistication of a 32 valve V8 that stock makes equal power to a 16 valve one camshaft conventional V8 is not worth it to me the simplicity of the 16 valve one cam V8 makes it more desirable to me not that l don't appreciate the technology or performance potential of a 32 valve V8 if money wasn't a problem l would love to have a 32 valve V8 but if that was the case l wouldn't be messing around my dream engine would be a Mercury Racing SB4 LS7 7.0 but the 33,000 dollar price is more than l have in my car total but if l could have any engine and money wasn't a factor this would be my first choice a 7.0 liter 32 valve 8000rpm motor but then reality sets in
@@gloriamaletta8667
Absolutely.. 2 each their own. I d rather pick a 2012 5.0, slap on a supercharger on 93 tune. Thats it.. Probably around 600 whp.
Its easy and reliable
@@1989rs500 good numbers my car made 430 to the wheels on the motor 550 on a 150 hit of nitrous but have jets for a 200 and a 250 hit kind of scared to go that high with it but I've seen 5.3 Chevy truck engines hit with a 150 hit of nitrous 75 times and is still running well but 600 to the wheels is outstanding not going to knock that have not hit my car with the nitrous other than when dynoed it's a pain in the ass car runs 26 degrees timing naturally aspirated and needs to have a computer to back timing off to 19 degrees for the nitrous so more bullshit involved than just smashing the gas pedal car seems a little sluggish naturally aspirated with only 19 degrees timing compared to 26
@@gloriamaletta8667
Yep Going NA is great but I ve seen 5.0s do 500 whp with FBO E85, but they behave like 525 hp ohv cars. Partly due to faster engine spinning and partly due to 7500 rpm redline. The 10 speed also makes it damn quick for s 500 hp car.
So for being 100 hp/L without opening engine does make it pretty darn strong for the gen3 Coyote
Glad to see you review this engine. I like it. In my younger years I built small block Chevy engines. I like both now. ford used to suck in my eyes. Working on them was a pain. I felll in love with Coyote, designed for the Mustang, yes. 2011. Buy American, if it is not crap!!!
More complicated more maintance more expensive to modify 3 times the size and weight for less displacement oh and timing chains that have to be replaced every 50k milesn
Thanks, great info. FYI the gen I Coyote has forged rods, too (4:30), from the beginning, 2011.
No sir. The change was made in the gen 2 coyote which is what led to such an increase in power potential on the stock bottom end.
I learned a lot from this video and the comments lol. Never knew Ford heads had 290 CFM( and Hemi's 340 cfm?). The best thing about an LS is the fact that it makes great power with a small package; you can fit it into damn near anything. Also, stock motor can take a beating, a cam cost $200 (compared to $1000+ for coyote), valvetrain is cheap, engines are cheap (got my aluminum 5.3 truck motor for $500). Regardless Fords sound great at 8000 rpm, great motor for NA. That's why I'm excited for the c8 z06, 5.5l 670hp 8600 RPM
Chevy won in the single cam pushrod engine competition and I have a feeling this new Z06 vette engine will trump the coyote as well. Time will tell. Either way these days you gotta just appreciate any v8s on the market with this EV crap.
That won't be cheap though.
Loudest Cold Starts on Gods green earth SENT ME🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭
They do be loud lol...wakes up my neighborhood and it's stock...something like 115dbs on first fire and settles to like 74dbs after 30secs or so.
20 years ago my import buddies hated on pushrod V8s....my father a Porsche tech always said "they're just air pumps!"...He'd explain Germans and Japanese use smaller higher revving engines with DOHC head designs. Americans large displacement cam in block designs that were cheap and reliable. I'm amazed today how LS guys now hate DOHC and the import kids of the 90s really respect those Coyotes 💯👍
LS guys usually hate because they want to keep using junkyard shit and staying as cheap as possible cause they’re broke lol
@@169abr 100% big facts
@@169abr you act like all LS are stock block running 8psi lol you can easily put anywhere from 5/10K into an LS motor. Which isn't "cheap". Compare a 700HP 5.3 to a 700HP 5.0 Coyote of any generation though. Becomes pretty clear WHY. You'll save a few G's with an LS to build the rest of the car. When you have a wife and kids and don't have an engineering degree, you'd probably go LS.
@@R3AL-AIM I already own a Coyote, and my girlfriend owns a Coyote. We don’t really want kids yet, I’d put that 10k into my bank account stay NA until I can afford to either refresh my Gen 2 or Trade in and get a lower mileage example, or if I’m ballsy I’ll boost a high mile one and see what happens. LS is boring to me and I don’t wanna do any swaps, I prefer to work with what I have an save myself a ton of hassle. 700hp if you’re talking crank is a Paxton or Vortech away which can be bought for 4K off the used market and easily make 700 on pump gas with BAP & inhectors
@@169abr who wants to eat beans for years and take out a loan just to build a furd that will break. Work smarter and not harder🤣😂
Can you talk about why the LS 4.8 holds more power with boost than the coyote? I mean all the 4.8L LS needs is turbo cam, fuel, and tune with the turbo amd it can make way more than any generation coyote there is.
No it certainly can not. Richard Holdener has dyno videos proving what you just said is a lie. The coyote will handle well above 1000 hp with just ring gap.
@@jesusstopsbullets5111 wrong lol the coyote needs oil pump gears as well. And the 4.8 with just a turbo cam, fuel and tune has made over 1200hp
Good video. Best engine (I’ll take the beating for this) Ford has made since the 60’s. Not to say others since then haven’t been good, but the Coyote is definitely one that makes its mark.
Still love the LS. But glad to see the rivalry is alive and well between the oval and bow tie.
The only people who will get mad are CoBro’s and maybe the old school Foxbody guy but the Cobra guys are the angriest.
I feel like the SC 4.6 4 valve in the terminators are pretty ahead of their time, the 5.0 is definitely better (because it’s the bigger better brother that was based on the 4.6) just thought the 4.6 4v deserved a mention because it was the inspiration for the 5.0
@@hitlersmissingtesticle69 you’re not wrong that motor can take a beating but it needs cams and an ECU, the Termi was much much more potent than anything on the streets at the time besides maybe a 2J and is still somewhat relevant today.
@@169abr if we’re being honest, the 302 Windsor probably gets the nod for most used Ford engine to build a race car. And, to be honest, they sound amazing. The termi 4.6, again, did have its time in the sun, and does sound amazing. But I don’t really feel either of them made everyone else stop and take notice. At least not the way the Coyote has. But yes, those two do tend to get ruffled when I say things like that lol
@@hitlersmissingtesticle69
1.) The Terminator motor was very ahead of its time, and when it came out, it really put the Cobra in a league of its own. But it’s just not got that much staying power, at least not like the Coyote does. But yes, definitely worth a mention.
2.) However did you manage to make it out of Royal Albert Hall?
you cant tell Chev Holden drivers that they go deaf here in Australia too
Great video as usual. Still want an LS more but Coyotes are incredible engines, well done Ford!
coyotes are great but it's a pain dropping them into anything because of their size. ford won the battle, but lost the war.
Today if I wanted a cam-in-block engine there is only once choice IMO; the 7.3 Godziira.