Every Dallas police officer must switch from revolvers to semi-automatics, beginning Jan. 1
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- Опубліковано 26 гру 2019
- For the first time since the Dallas Police Department was formed in 1881, no officers will carry revolvers. Right now only five still carry the weapon.
On Jan. 1, 2020, they will all be required to switch to semi-automatics.
Personally, I believe in carrying what you train with. Round count means very little if you can't hit your target.
This man has never heard of supressive fire or volume of fire.
@@m00se37 That doesn't for cops considering you might hit civilians if you do that.
@@deathtrooper2048 You havent seen much body cam footage have you?
@@m00se37 I've seen plenty of body can footage where cops have to mag dump someone cause the pistol doesn't have enough stopping power. A revolver wouldn't have a problem with stopping power.
It's not just about round count, but speed of operation. If you run out of rounds, you're a lot more vulnerable for a lot longer when utilizing a speed loader than you are simply dropping the mag of a semiauto, slapping in a new one, and dropping the slide.
Why just dont let these 5 cops keep the revolvers? There all like 4 years from retirement anyways...
Now there need to learn how to shoot on compleatly different guns...
Standardization is better for everyone, honestly. It allows you to share magazines with fellow officers in an emergency. Although I do believe that civilians should carry whatever they're most comfortable and capable with, even if that is an old school revolver. I concealed carry a 5 round .357 magnum every day because I grew up shooting revolvers and I'm better at shooting them than semis.
Revolvers are much better than semis! What you have is perfect!!!
@Poker Joker No, both are perfectly viable. There is no objective "much better".
I disagree. Having worked in this field I would say let the officers who feel more comfortable with a different make and model do so. The same gun does not fit everyone's hands the same. Seen a female officer terminated due to not qualifying with a Glock 40 cal. If given the choice I knew there were other calibers and weapons she could have made the switch with easier and kept her job.
@@SaftonYT Revolvers don’t Jam plain and simple. You don’t need a “Safety” with a Revolver like you do a Semi.
@@boogitybear2283Revolvers can jam. The cylinder can lock up and the hammers can get stuck. For modern carry in the LEO setting semis are far and wide a better option. That’s coming from someone who ccw’s a single action.
In many countries, the police still carry revolvers.
still the preferred choice of the special anti terrorism force the GIGN.
Yes, and in most of those countries the criminal element isn't nearly as well armed as in
this country.
@@j.farris5472ot all the time. Sometimes it’s worse in those countries than America. That’s why don’t believe everything in their media ALONG with ours.
And I thought that I was one of the "Last of the Mohicans" who still carried a .357 Magnum back in the late 80's.
Thought my dad was too. DC police, still had his Model 10 heavy barrel for most his career. Even in the Air Force he always had his M15 (Smith and Wesson Model 15) even though they wanted him to use the M1911A1 and later M9.
He even carries a Model 10-14 now. He gave me his original 10-8, three speedloaders and 200 rounds (four boxes of 50 rounds of ammo) when I left home to go out on my own when I was 18, 40 now. He since bought the 10-14. He always said when the time came, his babies, my sister and I would not leave home to face the world penniless or weaponless. We both got $3000 each too when we left home. My sister got his Ruger Mark II 6" pencil barrel, three magazines and two 1000 round bricks of CCI Mini Mags. He later bought another one, stainless with a bull barrel.
Person drawing short straw tells Dirty Harry he can't carry his Magnum any more.
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In Japan and Singapore they still carry .38's. Some states in Australia didn't make the move to semi-automatics until the early 2010's, too.
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But in all fairness, the gun cultures in Japan only needs police with .38's. Japanese culture is night and day different from the USA.
If you're comfortable with a particular firearm, and you're carrying it everyday, you shouldn't be told to change. I disagree with this. Keep your beards though, I do love that.
Who needs the smooth independent, reliable and inherently safe and simple and easy to learn operational function of the old, outmoded double-action revolver?
... I do! I was just sitting in my living room last night practicing sighting and trigger squeezing with my Taurus M66 .357 and Azoom snap-caps. There's a plus with a revolver that you can't do with an auto.
@@steelgila You don't even need snap caps for that one fyi. Only revolvers with a hammer mounted firing pin required snap caps and all taurus revolvers have frame mounted firing pins similar to a hammer fired semiauto. I use them in my antiques too keep from harming the gun but I try to avoid them otherwise because they can make you too comfortable with loading rounds indoors which can lead to accidents.
.357 and .44 Magnum rounds are still by far more powerful than any semi auto round known to man. I would take more punch with less rounds any day of the week!!
A lot of cops hate carrying their extra weight on their duty belts. To me a revolvers has always made since. These old guys seem pretty slow, I get the feeling they're not on patrol duty anymore.
I think one is
0:58: That's not a slide action. It's a lever action. That's why it has a lever behind the trigger. Go figure.
yup
Nobody asked
@@griffin_5979
But YOU didn't know. Don't get all butthurt because you learned something. 🙄
@@Junkman2008 i did know but i don't care.
@@griffin_5979
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It's never meant more safety for the guys. Whether you have six rounds or 18 rounds. If you can't hit what you're aiming at then all those bullets are not going to make a world of difference in your safety.
If you look at videos on UA-cam today, especially police activity, you'll see officers firing way more than six rounds to disable a threat.
Officers are still liable for every bullet that leaves the barrel if they hit the suspect twice and they end up causing damage or injury to property or people. The city and the county is on the hook for damages.
Why not let them carry what their comfortable with this is not a one size fits all issue
Actually for most police departments, it is.
Ever heard of the north Hollywood shooting? Well sense police are outgunned at times which I'm not against but I do feel like police should have some sort of firepower" just in case".
@@MillPlaysGames759 the 1986 Miami fbi shootout is an example of law enforcement armed with revolvers being outgunned by the perpetrators in question, and getting shot down whilst reloading their weapons. That exacerbated the nationwide trend of switching to semi-autos.
@@BritanniaPacific the officers in 86 Miami had a mix of revolvers, semis, and a shotgun on hand. The outcome did indeed kickstart a shift during that decade to standardize to semis
@@MillPlaysGames759 during the north Hollywood shootout most LAPD cops were carrying beretta 9mms, which proved impotent against the Robber's body armour.
Id refuse to switch to semi-auto pistols to stay cooler.
I think revolvers could become the next "hipster" thing possibly. Young bearded types hanging out at bistros eating their $10 avocado toast and ironically carrying granddad's wheelgun instead of a Glock.
@@craigdamage the
problem with that is that most hipsters are too limp wristed to handle a .357 or .44 so they’ll just go back to their glocks anyway
@@Robert.Smith6969 .357 Magnum too much?....load it with .38 Special. .44 Magnum too much?....load it with .44 Special. Even hipsters know that.
I WILL TELL YOU ONE THING, THEY STILL CAN LOAD PRETTY FAST FOR SOME OLD TIMERS.
If you put in the training, you can still have it even in older age
I hope they still have the option to carry their revolver as a backup
Same.
They probably do. I know the NYPD made it official where the longer serving officers that were serving when revolvers were issued and still could keep it were told to stop carrying them in 2018. Yeah the long time officers that can still carry their revolvers on duty as a grandfathered opportunity can’t do it anymore but can STILL carry them on off - duty only now.
I’m pretty sure that old guy was faster with the revolver then the sig
As a US civilian I don't care what you carry as long as you carry provided it's legal to do so where you are and as long as you're a law-abiding citizen looking to defend yourself in times of Crisis if that is your reasoning and goal then we're all brothers and sisters in arms
What a bunch of nonsense. Let them carry what they want. A solid double action revolver is more than capable for the street now as it was 30 years ago.
Semis give them MORE than 6 or 8 rounds
@@deandre8432 If you're going to rely on solid ammount of ammo for supression you shouldn't have a pistol but a rifle
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No, you should just learn to hit what you're shooting at. Throwing hot lead all over the neighborhood makes you reckless, NOT safe or efficient.
@@Junkman2008 Exactly what I'm saying , most of these semi guys just want to spray lead all over the place , and just doesn't bother to train being a fast marksman , and the results can be seem in police shootings , where 50 shots only 5 are hits
I realize revolvers are now considered semi-obsolete in law enforcement. Today if an officer carries a revolver, it likely will be for off duty and back up. Classic historical examples of such would be Colt's D-Frame .38 Police Positive Special series: the Detective Special, Cobra, and Agent. Or likewise Smith & Wesson J-Frame five shot revolvers: Model 36, 37 "Airweight", Model 60 (stainless version of S&W Model 36 and 37 Airweight), Model 40 Centennial, Models 38 and 49 Bodyguard, etc. There is even an S&W Model 640 stainless too. And of course, Ruger's SP-101 which I allude to in a letter posted below. However, this totally ignores the role and value of the double-action .38/.357 revolver for John Q. Public citizen, of which I also allude to in a letter below. For decades now high capacity 9mm semi-automatic pistols such as the Glock 17, Sig-Sauer P-226, Beretta M-9/92-S, including more tactical firearms such as the Colt AR-15 rifle, remain the rage in gun circles. Despite this, the revolver will never become obsolete, especially for the civilian masses who are less than SWAT trained, and just want a handgun for self defense/house protection/concealed carry, and for the outdoors: hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, trapping. Also...riding the range on horseback such as a cowhand, ranch or farm worker, buckaroo (the historic 1901 ZX Ranch at Paisley, Oregon in Lake County), or even for killing venomous snakes. These are my personal sentiments of course.---Jim Farmer
If those old timers are better with revolvers let them have em
I don’t know weapons very well but I do know that people form attachments to things they use for a really really long time. Imagine something you have used for a long time that has gotten you out of countless jams and then just say……yeah I’ll throw that away because this new thing is so much better.
For me there is a charm to revolvers that can never be met by any semi automatic handgun. Not a glock, not even the beloved 1911
I love revolvers. But it's understandable for law enforcement to have to switch to high capacity weapons. At a time when most criminals are carrying 30 round magazines.
You have to remember, that revolvers are very expensive, very complicated mechanically, hard and expensive to fix. In many cases you can not just replace broken part with the new one, you need to send your revolver to the factory for adjustment. Revolvers are also harder to maintain, harder to clean. Semi-auto, such as Glocks, are very cheap, reliable, easy to fix, broken parts can be replaced at the field with almost no tools. Glock sells guns to police for less than $300, and periodically replaces with new models at no cost. And Glocks are easy to clean, even though Glocks will work just fine without any cleaning for many months.
I’ve noticed they’re using those universal gun holsters, and not those older styled swivel holsters.
Large amount of rounds doesn't mean anything if officers can't shoot straight. All that extra ammo is just a crutch.
If they have more than one model of firearm in service they need to certify more armorers, have more spare parts, purchase a different type of ammunition. My guess this is a logistics thing.
Revolvers are an art
Wow! We changed to Glock 17s in the 80s!
I think only detectives back in the ‘80s can use Glocks and other magazine - fed semi autos.
Tell the police officers the freaking get the revolver's back I come a grown up I for king want a revolver
In the year 2063 there'll be a UA-cam video out about the last of the aging Dallas police officer had to turn in his Glock 19 Gen 12, because the department was standardizing on plasma phase rifles in the 40 watt range
How the duck does someone from Texas not know what a lever action is called?
He's from Dallas...
Cops should be able to carry revolver as backup/off duty gun.
Man , they went from cool to cringe
Chad Og Officers use revolver while new officer's use the semi autos.
Before the introduction of the unbelievably modern and superior semi automatic, cops must have been blue coated walking targets for all them criminals.
Didn’t they stop using revolvers generally since 1994?
If you need more than 5 rounds, you're on a shooting range.I've never had a misfire on a 38 special, I always know where my brass is and its the simplest thing in the world to check for rounds and keep clean. Okay its airsoft because I'm in the UK but I wanted to sound like a big boy:)
if you need less than 5 rounds you are on a shooting range. if youre defending yourself or something else you get nervous and its harder to aim and the crook your fighting agains has been using semiautomatic pistols with 12-18 rounds in the mag since the 90s
@@kkwun4969 Not arguing that revolvers are better than automatics, but the average number of shots fired in a gunfight is 2-3 bullets.
This is demonstrably false, especially in a law enforcement context. You can find a multitude of shootings where dozens of rounds were exchanged between an officer and a suspect. And before you say the "Then those cops should learn to shoot" in many cases, *they were landing hits* without the suspect going down.
I will readily agree that five rounds is probably enough for *most* encounters that armed citizens and to some extent LE find themselves in. But to pretend that it's sufficient for all is utter fantasy. Go spend some time watching some shooting breakdowns on channels like Donut Operator, Active Self Protection, etc. if you don't believe me.
Was that a S&W Model 65 .357 mag? I thought I saw a Model 27/28 as well.
if they were carrying .38 special its a positive step but going from .357 to 9 mm is not an improvement.
Thats a model 64 Smith and Wesson 4 inch .38 Special that, that officer carries. Not a .357 Magnum. Those were Lead Semi Wadcutter hollow point 158 grain ammo he had.
I think one of them was actually chambered in .357 magnum…..I know the smaller j-frame was definitely a .38 special
Do the Officers carry Revolvers as Back up Guns in the Ankle Holsters?
Which was most often worn by revolver models and brands by police in the USA? Today?
Colt Python
I would think the Smith&Wesson model 10 or the Model 36 (Chief Special) was the most common. There are other contenders like the S&W 19, Ruger Security/Service/Speed six, Colt Detective Special, etc.
Personally I work in a rural community only 10k people, personally a revolver would be perfect but they get these " wannabe be Rambo guys with there what if this unlikely senario happened lol!
Personally
Rural areas are actually where it makes more sense for an officer to have a semi-automatic with spare magazines. In an urban environment, back up is just a radio call away (ditto for getting backed up by SWAT) vs rural environments where a simple domestic disturbance call can put an officer in a gun fight where backup is more than 30 minutes away.
I live out in Montana and a deputies often find themselves in situations where backup is 15-45 minutes away. Having a semi-auto handgun with spare magazines and a long gun in the car makes all the sense in the world out here with how thinly stretched the police can be geographically.
Big city cops need semi-automatics and long guns in their cars much less than most rural police departments. I've also noticed that rural police are much less likely to get big egos, freak out easily, and mag dump when compared to their urban counterparts.
They don’t need 68+ rounds on their person. They aren’t’ supposed to be an infantry. Maybe if they only had 6 bullets in the gun they would place them more carefully and fewer people would end up shot and killed.
Spoken like someone that's has never been in a cop.
Man I wish I can live my life being as naive as you
spoken like a true dumbfuck
Why are they switching to what i assume is a p226 and not the standard Glock 22 or the sig p320 since they want sigs?
Training to shoot on the word GUN is bad business. Not everyone who is carrying a gun is a threat. DPD should reassess their training protocols.
I would quit before using a semi auto over the revolver
Do they actually "have" too or is it a strongly recommend option
They probably have to. Departments like to standardize equipment so it's easier to maintain.
Lol what is it 1989? What cop still carries a revolver these days as a service pistol?
What good would it do? They went form six rounds to 16+1. Statistics show that police officers have an accuracy rate of 30% and under stress its lower than that. Those numbers are a huge liability to cities, counties and states when officers train with their firearms twice a year and that's usually the week before their qualifications. That's not good enough.
The move from .357 to a weak 9mm which requires officers to shoot more to gain the same effects as one .357 round.
It means the shell casings can be traced
How so?
@@shoeshiRoll revolvers don't eject brass
@@jbjbhbkhb154
Some do, ever heard of semi automatic revolvers? They eject spent casing using the action cycling.
Revolvers are still better 9mm can't beet 357 magnum
But are they more real ole than glocks in the field ?
Most police revolvers aren’t rated for .357 and can only fire .38 spl, which is vastly inferior to 9mm. .357 was never anywhere near as common as .38 in terms of police use, so they really aren’t losing out on any firepower.
@@epitaph3988 wouldn't say vastly inferior almost the same thing to be honest just one has more velocity and the other can shoot heavier bullets so it's ups and downs bro
@@angeljosemaradiaga7747 Yeah I was definitely being hyperbolic when I said that, but my point was that .38 doesn't really offer anything that 9mm doesn't and is mostly just worse.
357 Mag is a little bit more powerful than 9mm, for sure.
But having 16 strong 9mm rounds is better than 6 really powerful 357 Mag rounds
What are they going to do with all those old revolvers? I hope they filter into the used gun market as "police trade ins" at decent prices.
I mean...in all honesty, semi auto beats revolvers in every capacity except for having powerful calibers.... Regarding self defense, you should really ditch the nostalgia and get with the times.
Semi autos got issues too... jams, stovepipes, out of battery, weak mag springs, bad ammo does hexes on autos, weak mag lock can release the magazine accidentally, you gotta rack that slide to make it hot, some dont have safeties, some triggers too soft some too hard, negligent discharges... The semi auto isnt perfect. The wheelgun has its place, personally i prefer an M4 with a banana clip but we cant carry that thing around where i work. So i carry a semi auto and i carry a back up snubnosed revolver. Sometimes its just the snub, depends on the situation. Better to carry the my M4 tho.
Actually its kinda worse
@@happiness8138 "M4 with a bannana clip" opinion discarded. you dont own a M4 lol.
@@TheAsianOfChaos cool the jets Tacticool Tom, some folk still use old terms like that, dinae mean they're a fudd.
I completely agree for civilian concealed carry but I actually like the idea of making urban cops carry revolvers. Urban U.S. police these days scare easily and like to mag dump. A revolver forces a person to be deliberate and thoughtful with their shots.
Carrying a semi-automatic should be a privilege for exceptionally skilled and disciplined members of an urban police force. The rank and file of the NYPD can barely hit the broadside of a barn. This becomes substantially worse when they're given a Glock 17 to wildly mag dumb when they get scared.
I say give the NYPD and LAPD 5 shot .38 specials unless an officer can show they have the baseline skills to not get laughed at if they were to compete in a USPSA competition.
Gun control rhetoric. Except when it’s cops
Let them carry what they are most proficient with, as long as they have a patrol rifle or shotgun in their car.
New automatic pistol is P320？
Only 5?
How about that 357 magnum revolver?
Government employees shouldn’t be armed
I think it is time too switch
Look at it like a car or a house back in the fay was made strong out of goid material case closed
The future is now old man
Sad
In my country Ministry of Interior is considering reinstating revolvers to police officers. Instead of led bullets they are considering rubber ammunition. That could really save life’s. On the other hand it is expected that the ordinary police officer will not fire a gun on a job during his entire career.
Do you mind if I ask what country you're referring to? There's certainly a cultural difference involved, but I've recently just found the South Korean and Japanese usage of revolvers by their police just an interesting choice compared to what I'm used to seeing in the U.S.. It's my understanding, for example, that the Japanese emphasize shooting their revolvers in single-action valuing accuracy over volume of fire while the South Koreans have the first round or two loaded as blanks (I think rubber bullets would be more sensible, but they at least are also equipped with tasers); both of which *rarely* ever use theirs, so the longevity of revolvers, with no magazine or guide rod springs to wear out, also makes sense.
Screeching Possum my home country of Slovenia, our police is really involved in shooting. When it comes to potential shooting our SWAT can be deployed in 20 minutes anywhere in the country by helicopter. We have a small country...
Using Rubber bullets makes no sense Becasue if you are going to shooy someone then you've likely already exhausted every other option including non-lethal.
@@griffin_5979 Or that just *is* one of their non-lethal options
Rubber bullets? Christ... I do NOT envy Your police mate...
The dudes in the video and comments are complete rubes.
Conform are move on.
And RAPPERS HAVE FULLY AUTOMATIC
At @1:02 did he say, "from 1850 to 1940's we had one Thompson?" They must have a bad calendar or a time machine. The Tommy gun was not invented until 1918. I respect these old guys years of service, but between the "slide action rifle" comment and general lack of firearms knowledge, it is hard to watch.