It's surprising to me that people haven't noticed wireless 3rd party controllers don't really exist for Xbox One and Xbox Series consoles. Microsoft just doesn't license wireless controllers, there are only one or two that exist between both console generations. Brands like Scuf only have wireless controllers because they buy Microsoft controllers and mod them.
@MrMagamarc on console they use a proprietary wifi signal to connect to the console not bluethooth so that it can transmit both audio and inputs with little to no latency.
The Xenon also comes in "Cosmic Night" and "Twilight Galaxy" which are a sparkly black and blue version of the controllers. The Duke is still my favorite controller since it fits perfectly in my hands.
I absolutely love the 360 controller. I still have one for my PC and it’s in excellent condition. I like that Hyperkin made these but for me the price is too high. The Xbox branded series controllers go on sell so often for around $45-50 usd that it makes it a no brainer for me to just get the better controller. Now if these went on sell for like $30 then I might consider one.
As a man with hands the size of baseball mitts, I really loved the original Xbox controller. I never really understood the hate for it. Being able to play without hand cramps was nice. Luckily, it looks like Hyperkin also makes a version of the original Xbox controller too.
I don't have big hands and it was still a fantastically comfortable controller. And SIX FACE BUTTONS OH MY. That is one thing I wish someone made today, a good quality PC compatible gamepad that had actual extra buttons, not just shortcuts to existing ones, and wasn't just a Sega oriented retro controller either... Give me the overall shape and layout of the Duke, the D-pad from either the Xbox One or Series controller (I can do fine with either), Hall effect sticks with the feel of the DS4 or 5 sticks but the tops of the Xbox Series sticks, 6 face buttons like the Duke had, the active triggers from the DS5 (with an extra button click, virtual or real, when reaching all the way down), shoulder buttons as easy to use as the Xbox One/Series pads, the trackpad from the DS4 (I like it better than the DS5 one for whatever reason) and gyro controls at least as accurate as the Nintendo controllers, and I won't have anything left to complain about...
The duke was the last of the six face button controllers, I was a big sega guy and that was always my favoreite setup, I sorta dislike the four to this day.
My thought was hall effect sticks might bump the price up thus being near the official Xbox controller. $50 is a good spot for this controller, $40 would have been a must buy and I feel $60-$65 would be too much for a wired Xbox 360 clone controller.
GameSir G7 SE just launched earlier this month and it has Hall Effect Joysticks and Triggers, a 3.5mm, and a 3meter USB-C cable and is only $45. It is also the ONLY Officially Licensed Xbox Controller with Hall Effect Joysticks.
Is it wireless Trying to find a xbox controller that works on pc and series x. Hall effect and wireless. Android support would be a bonus Unfortunately stuck with the gamesir t1s without hall effect for now
The biggest reason people like the XB360 controller design more is the triggers. The XB360 triggers have a longer travel and it's easier to tell by feel how much travel you've applied. The XB1 and newer designs don't have that. Now, why do a lot of players like that? Racing games. Yes, actually a vast majority of racing games are played on a controller. Why? Because it's rather challenging to integrate a racing setup that doesn't interfere with the regular setup. Challenge LMG to make a video on how to do it and for cheap.
Thank you! I was honestly watching this going "how is this significantly different than the controller I got with my XBox S? It looks basically identical except for having a little notch on the top. This is the insight I needed to understand the video.
It depends on the game, 360 controllers without trigger rumble have fallen to the wayside nowadays as now you can "feel" the limit of the tires on accel and braking with the series controllers.
Don't believe that, since I played racing games only on the X360, PS3, PC, PS4 and XONE. X360 controllers are one of the worst controllers. From RB and LB shoulders buttons to build quality in general.
Back when I played racing games on controller I still preferred the xbox one controller as the rumble triggers let you feel the loss of traction. This one looks like a straight upgrade over that (for racing)
The Xbox 360 controller is ergonomically perfect. I can't think of a single thing about its shape and button placement that I would change. I've rebuilt a couple of mine now. Had one shoulder button and one A button give out. I even use a wired 360 controller for my Windows 98 gaming PC because there's functional drivers for it.
His (understandable) conclusion "I have a hard time recommending this controller unless you really want the 360 feel. Then I guess it's pretty good." doesn't really match the thumbnail and the "close to absolute perfection" title 😅
My favourite controller is the Elite Series 2. Why? Because I have logged well over a thousand hours on it and it has yet to develop stick drift. I am almost afraid to have jinxed myself just for having talked about it in a public space.
Elites honestly feel like a total lottery. My first Elite lasted like a year, and my Elite 2 had a broken shoulder button within a month and I had only used it a handful of times doing nothing special with it. When you get a good one it really is the best you can get.. But.. Yeah.. Quality control is lacking for sure.
The software config and 4 paddles with Shift function is the strongest aspect of the controller. The stick lifetime, trigger stop nubs falling off and shoulder button issues are decidedly not great. But there's no other controllers on the market with the same capabilities on the remapping and paddle quantity, so we're all fucked.
@@Squishydew Yeah same here, had mine a month and the right bumper button broke, took great care of it. I think I'll be buying this controller over the elite.
I've been wanting an Elite since they were first launched, but to this day can't bring myself to spend the money when they seem to be so hit and miss lol. Would really be nice to have in some games I play, but not at the risk of something that expensive with potential reliability issues when the standard One/Series controller is pretty rock solid(and, on PC, you can augment with the keyboard if necessary of course).
I would love to see controllers with hot swappable buttons. Clicky, soft, etc. I am a STAUNCH SNES controller simp and I absolutely adore the almost mush that they have. It is so much better and easier for when I have to button mash on my speedruns, like in megaman X for example. Clicky buttons are the bane of presses-per-second and I have trouble killing enemies in time before running into them. Super niche` I know but very real.
I have a hard time calling Xbox 360 retro. I remember when I was a kid getting it NEW for Christmas the year came out. I remember looking at the controller and thinking it was so new and kind of futuristic. I'm buying one of these just to have one.
Yeah, doesn't quite feel retro to me either. Timeless, maybe. I was already looking for a wired 360 controller when I saw this at microcenter and I needed to get it.
As something of a "gamepad enthusiast", while I don't immediately dismiss one because it's wired (one of my favorites is the Razer Wolverine TE, which, for how "serious" and expensive it is, it's weird that it doesn't have a wireless option, not even its V2 follow-up which is just sad), I do think it should be quite standard nowadays. Even though, again, one of my most-used gamepads is wired-only, for which I just dangle the cable over my keyboard, it does get annoying and cluttered at times. It's not really in the way while playing, but you're gonna have to hold it in one general region only. Which in turn, is just good discipline, rather than to hold it in weird positions or something, but still, you're just tethered, which feels so old-fashioned. I even got retro-styled gamepads that are wireless, cause that's something from the past we generally DON'T want. - I will stick with wired for stuff like audio, but any type of controllers... as long as it works, rather not.
Idk if it’s because I grew up mostly on PlayStation. But I do not like xBox controllers. I always felt the built in controller dead zone compared to the PlayStation. Even on my friends set ups who had screens supporting game mode with faster refresh rate even back then I still noticed it. I tested it too. Brought my PlayStation to a friends house and showed them what I meant because the PlayStation controller had a much smaller dead zone.
0-1 year = New 1-5 years = Modern 6-10 years = Old 11-20 years = Classic 21-40 years = Vintage 41-60 years = Piece of History 61+ years = Please put it in a museum or trash, depends on the item.
Big question tho, small mods like button and joystick "mushroom" replacement (not the analog stick itself) still work from a regular 360 one? I really like aluminium buttons/joysticks both for feel and durability.
After falling ib love with the Xbox 360 controller, after many years of owning a PlayStation and PlayStation 2, the Xbox 360 controller was just perfect for me in every single way but since I was fed up of having crappy knock offs or ludicris prices for a wireless xbox controller, I had found a really good brand - PDP Controllers. It's a wired Xbox One/S style controller and unfortunately, my last one died on me because electrical contact cleaner got the A button stuck...It was the PDP Stealth Serise Spector Violet Controller that had buttons on the back, and unfortunately it wouldn't get unstuck and was impossible to open, so I had to unfortunately throw it away. I now have the PDP Xbox Serise X|S & PC Purple Fade Rematch Controller and I absolutely love it! It's also lighter than the older model and uses USB C and not USB Micro B like my old one did. You also have software so you can customise the buttons,vibration, mic settings, etc on PC!
The reason it's not wireless, is primarily due to extra licensing fees to include the Xbox's proprietary radio signal, would have made the cost of the pad higher. They could have done BT, but everyone knows BT connection for controllers just suck thanks to the latency and disconnection issues.
Not iconic enough I think. Hyperkin kinda gets things as close as they can without directly making a copy. I think that's why some color combos are a bit off.
I have been maintaining my 360 controllers for about 14 years. Daily use, these lil fellas have been through all levels of hell and still work. They are so worn out now though so I was looking for a change. This could be it
I’ve been using the same regular, wired 360 controller since like 2013. 11 years it gave me zero issues, and just today when I picked it up I noticed if I move the cable around it’ll disconnect and reconnect (but STILL no stick drift). I absolutely love the 360 controller, it’s by far my personal favorite. Just bought the Cosmic Night variant of this controller and I am genuinely so, so excited for it to arrive. It’ll be sad packing up ol’ reliable, but damn this controller is sick!
@@Jaden-ty7vh I genuinely love it so much. I can't overstate how good the Cosmic Night version looks in person, and of course it feels just like the 360 controller in your hand. I was worried about the cable because it doesn't clip into place, but I haven't had it pull out even once. It's got the updated share and pause buttons so it's nice actually seeing the correct glyphs in-game. Honestly I really don't have a single complaint, I've been using it all the time since I got it. If you like the 360 controller, I would 150% recommend it.
@@Jaden-ty7vh Honestly feels the exact same as my 360 controller. My 360 controller is pretty old though so I'm not sure if that one is worn out, and that's what I'm comparing it to. But I have a PS4 controller right here too and the PS4 controller sticks are 100% stiffer than the Hyperkin Xenon ones. Like the PS4 sticks definitely pull back to center with a bit more tension (which is all personal preference).
@@BirkinIdk stick tension was the first thing I noticed going from ps4 to xbox 360 controller. The 360 controller has more and it feels way better for shooters and just in general. It’s my favorite controller now but the zenon doesn’t live up to it, it has even less tension than a ps4 controller. Which the ps4 controller is pretty damn good but the zenon dosent even reach that level in my opinion.
After I got my Xbox One in 2018 and retired my 360, I moved over to using my wireless 360 controller on my PC with a dongle with a 360 controller up until earlier this year when the stick finally started drifting a bit too much. And because of that I decided to take a chance on the 8-bit do ultimate controller, and it feels really nice. I was never fond of the direction we decided to go with the Xbox One controller, the triggers always had a spongy feel to me and it was just something about it I didn't like compared to the 360 controller. The d-pad was miles better, but I feel like the parts of the controller that are used more often got a slight hit in quality.
The 360 isn’t the worst d pad of all time. Though it might be 2nd to the OG Xbox dpad. Also I assume that the A to C cables this come with are USB2. (Which the controller itself is probably also USB2.)
A controller with no Hall Effect sticks in 2023 is already behind. Those kinds of sticks aren't even more expensive. The Gamesir T4 Kaleid has Hall Effect sticks and triggers, RGB, rear grip buttons, and has mechanical ABXY buttons for $42. If you want as close to an exact replica of the 360 controller though, that seems to be the route.
In the time I’ve had my ps4 controller, I’ve broken two 360 controllers. I don’t rage, I don’t throw, I just game with a firm (not hulk-like) grip. Shoulder button fell off of one, trigger fell off the other. The button arrangement is good, but it’s just not sturdy. I’ll take a sturdy ps4 controller and sacrifice the layout convenience, for something that actually can support its own structure.
This actually beat out the Hori Octa and The 8Bitdo 6 button fight pad in my opinion. Both of those sucked for SF6. On the Octa I kept getting unintentional Drive Rushes and the 8BitDo DPad was missing inputs. So I grabbed the Hyperkin...and I have none of those issues . Plus I think this might work for Tekken 8 as well. Plus this one works good for charge characters like Guile. I tell people now the 360 pad was the best for Street Fighter... I remember being able to do Guile's supers on SF4 easily on the original 360 pad...put on PS3 controller I couldn't. DS4 I would say was 2nd best for stock controllers. The Hyperkin the dpad might be a little stiff....but im not dropping combos or moves as much anymore. It is as close to a 360 controller as you might get in 2024. Not perfect but really good.
$50 is a bit of an ask on these imo. Back in the day the wired only 360 controllers cost like, $20, so with inflation and the ever so slightly updated design I'd like to see these more in the $30-$35 range. That would be much easier to justify for the nostalgia.
What obsession? It's just a throwback to a little piece of nostalgia for a lot of people, just like Hyperkin's previously released Duke derived controller.
honestly the taller analog sticks is honestly one of the best changes they couldve done, my main grip with the 360 controller is the analog sticks just felt too short. every time i try to go back and use it that is the first thing that stands out to me.
Yep I made a comment similar to this earlier, did the same thing back in the day by taking the sticks out of a controller S and swapping them in to an x360 controller, I did it for comfort and to keep my aim similar from the xbox days with halo 1 and 2. I haven't tried to swap sticks in a modern controller but if the stems are similar the caps should fit right on without issue. Only really ran into differences with some third party controllers back then in which case I'd get a cheap used controller from the same company with sticks I liked and swap them then let my friends use the other one. The best third party controller for xbox back then in my opinion is the Pelican Eclipse. You get a controller s style layout and the controller is a little bigger plus you get duplicated black and white buttons on the top of the controller. It was marketed for football games but it worked really well for shooters with easier access to two more buttons while aiming that other people may not have had at the time.
As long as this 360 controller lasts as long as the old microsoft one, im fine with the $50 price for it brand new, but id be even more willing to pay another $10 for hall effect sticks... Maybe hyperkin will do a controller with them in the future hopefully
A DAC in a controller is certainly an interesting idea, would be nice for my use case. Not super DAC proficient knowledge wise but would it add significant weight?
@@mcsnuggie if you're gonna be wrong it's good that you're at least confident. The DS3 introduced analog triggers, is wireless and the buttons are pressure sensitive ala DS2.
$50 is kinda steep for me, but the 360 controller is my favorite of the more modern controllers. The Xenon feels slightly different, but it's just a great controller overall.
You're NOT using them on Windows, I'm guessing. Windows blutooth is shit. Absolutely disgraceful how trash it is after all this time. It's notorious for how terrible it is.
genuinely thinking about adding some tiny weights to add a few grams to mine, although i’m not sure whether or not this is a good idea. most likely not.
On the XBOX Elite Gamepad, you actually get great feedback from the ABXY buttons, maybe it's a cost-saving thing on the regular XBone pads? The Elite V2 is my favorite pad of all time... sure, it's ridiculously expensive for a gamepad, but a) the buttons feel amazing, b) I won't ever go back to a pad without rear paddles, c) the fact that you can customize it quite a bit and it still instantly works with any game without any hassle whatsoever makes for a pretty convincing package for PC gamepad use.
I used to think the xbox 360 dpad was trash as I grew up with the ps1/2, snes, nes, and genesis dpads. Gave it a good shot with street fighter iv and mvc3 and realized I just misunderstood it. I like it more than the ps3s to be honest
360 controller may have perfect ergnomics of any controller ever......... coming from a playstation fanboy i still love dualshock but 360 controller is that good
Sidenote, you mention hoping for a better DAC in controllers. Alternative take, how much longer until they remove the analog audio port altogether and just throw a 2nd USB-C port there? Which in USB-C all the things crusade I'm all for.
I like the noise cancelling to get rid of the fan noise from the laptop. If it is not, then something is up with the audio processing somewhere. Did MSI want this?
that MSI ad sounds like it was written by Amy Schumer, a feeling of smugly thinking they know what they're talking about. "eat spicy goodness, like a boss"
How does anyone enjoy controllers with oversized, unstable D-pads like the 360 controller had? How can you accurately move around or pick the right menu option without isolated directions?
@@Lily-white Original x360 dpad was more like very short travel stick. You was able to hold your finger on dpad all the time. Setting direction by slight movement of your finger. It was super cool once you get used to it. No need to do actual "click". You just move finger so slightly and do a special move. In my personal opinion it was just so much better for fightings, run&gun, shmups etc. You just need to get used to it. It's like stick + gyro aiming. It might be hard at first. But once you lerned how to use it. You just out of the competition.
@@IgorYatskiv yeah, I hated the thing, but looking back could see it potentially being nice for fighting games, shmups I much prefer keyboard or stick so can't speak to that, sounds better than the analog stick for them though and from other shmup experiences on dpads it wasn't too bad I personally used the 360 for a bunch of random games but never liked the dpad in any of them especially RPG menus
I cant stand the the askew joysticks, it drives me nuts. It took me years to not get thumb cramps on my left hand. every time i grab my PS controllers, I'm always like this is how it should feel in my heads, perfect. also the Series X controller is a down grade from the xbox ones controller. need to get ride of the circular D pad and just go with the Plus D pad.
How’s the dead zone on the Hyperkin’s sticks? I find the Series X and Elite 2 both have a dead zone that can’t be tuned out and it makes them unusable for racing games at a high level.
If there's gyro, I don't want it. Gyro is such a huge qol feature that needs to be implemented into a wider variety of controllers. Their lack of presences in Xbox style controllers is such a shame. Pro controller is still the best other than the lack of analog triggers
IMO, for a $50 wired controller it should have hall effect sensors
I refuse to buy another controller that isn't hall effect. GameSir has put out a couple of hall effect controllers for less money than this one.
@@matthouse99 They got me with their Guilikit video and I've never looked back since.
yeah wired 360 controllers are 20-30$...
And a gyro.
Got a 8bitdo ultimate and not looking back again. Got a few controllers that drifted for me and don't want to repeat this cycle
It's surprising to me that people haven't noticed wireless 3rd party controllers don't really exist for Xbox One and Xbox Series consoles. Microsoft just doesn't license wireless controllers, there are only one or two that exist between both console generations. Brands like Scuf only have wireless controllers because they buy Microsoft controllers and mod them.
Don't all X-Input controllers work on Xbox?
@MrMagamarc on console they use a proprietary wifi signal to connect to the console not bluethooth so that it can transmit both audio and inputs with little to no latency.
@@MrMagamarc no, if it isn't licensed by Microsoft it doesn't work on Xbox. Wired or Wireless.
@MrMagamarc wired yes, wireless no.
@@hellspinner8378 even wired just having X-Input isn't enough. The controller needs to be licensed by Microsoft to work at all on an Xbox.
The Xenon also comes in "Cosmic Night" and "Twilight Galaxy" which are a sparkly black and blue version of the controllers. The Duke is still my favorite controller since it fits perfectly in my hands.
First time hearing someone say that the duke is their favorite Xbox controller
@@BotchuLeeSim It fits my hand perfectly, and purportedly also did so for the engineer who designed it.
@DoomSlinger I'm just shy of 6 feet tall, 225 lbs, and wear a size 10.5 wide shoe. That's not giant, just larger than average.
@DoomSlinger I bought the Hyperkin remake, it's got shoulder buttons where the S did. You should check it out and see if you like it.
I absolutely love the 360 controller. I still have one for my PC and it’s in excellent condition. I like that Hyperkin made these but for me the price is too high. The Xbox branded series controllers go on sell so often for around $45-50 usd that it makes it a no brainer for me to just get the better controller. Now if these went on sell for like $30 then I might consider one.
Sale*.
As a man with hands the size of baseball mitts, I really loved the original Xbox controller. I never really understood the hate for it. Being able to play without hand cramps was nice. Luckily, it looks like Hyperkin also makes a version of the original Xbox controller too.
I'm with you. I am 6'5 and have size 15 shoes so you can kinda guess how big my hands are. The Duke just felt nice in my monstrous hands.
I was like 10 when the og Xbox came out, and I didn't understand the hate for it either. And I had 10 year old hands!
I have totally average sized hands and I will defend the OG Xbox controller until the day I die. It was super comfortable.
I don't have big hands and it was still a fantastically comfortable controller. And SIX FACE BUTTONS OH MY. That is one thing I wish someone made today, a good quality PC compatible gamepad that had actual extra buttons, not just shortcuts to existing ones, and wasn't just a Sega oriented retro controller either...
Give me the overall shape and layout of the Duke, the D-pad from either the Xbox One or Series controller (I can do fine with either), Hall effect sticks with the feel of the DS4 or 5 sticks but the tops of the Xbox Series sticks, 6 face buttons like the Duke had, the active triggers from the DS5 (with an extra button click, virtual or real, when reaching all the way down), shoulder buttons as easy to use as the Xbox One/Series pads, the trackpad from the DS4 (I like it better than the DS5 one for whatever reason) and gyro controls at least as accurate as the Nintendo controllers, and I won't have anything left to complain about...
The duke was the last of the six face button controllers, I was a big sega guy and that was always my favoreite setup, I sorta dislike the four to this day.
I really like how, unlike the razer(I think?) they didn't recess the type c port by like 4 inches leaving you still stuck with /their/ specific cable.
I hate when they do that. Thankfully narrow cables exist and cheap cables can be shaved down
No hall effect sticks is a bit of a let-down, but otherwise this seems like a great option for reliving those 360 days.
It's surprising that no one has released an Xbox compatible controller with Hall Effect sticks yet. It is an untapped market.
My thought was hall effect sticks might bump the price up thus being near the official Xbox controller. $50 is a good spot for this controller, $40 would have been a must buy and I feel $60-$65 would be too much for a wired Xbox 360 clone controller.
@@OmairArifdude for real have you not heard of the guilikit king kong controllers?
@@OmairArifyou should try gamesir g7 se controller
@@zeroa69 those are not compatible with Xbox. X-Input is not the same thing as Xbox compatibility.
GameSir G7 SE just launched earlier this month and it has Hall Effect Joysticks and Triggers, a 3.5mm, and a 3meter USB-C cable and is only $45.
It is also the ONLY Officially Licensed Xbox Controller with Hall Effect Joysticks.
The T4 Kaelid is also great and is slightly cheaper, but it's PC/Switch market oriented instead of Xbox market oriented.
I have it. It's so weird playing Halo Infinite, centering the sticks and... nothing.
@@placeholderplaceholder3448 100% recommend the T4 Kaelid. 1000 Hz polling rate is godly.
Is it wireless
Trying to find a xbox controller that works on pc and series x. Hall effect and wireless. Android support would be a bonus
Unfortunately stuck with the gamesir t1s without hall effect for now
@@furythreeNo. Microsoft don't license the wireless technology so any licensed third party Xbox controller will be wired.
The biggest reason people like the XB360 controller design more is the triggers. The XB360 triggers have a longer travel and it's easier to tell by feel how much travel you've applied. The XB1 and newer designs don't have that. Now, why do a lot of players like that? Racing games. Yes, actually a vast majority of racing games are played on a controller. Why? Because it's rather challenging to integrate a racing setup that doesn't interfere with the regular setup. Challenge LMG to make a video on how to do it and for cheap.
Thank you! I was honestly watching this going "how is this significantly different than the controller I got with my XBox S? It looks basically identical except for having a little notch on the top. This is the insight I needed to understand the video.
It depends on the game, 360 controllers without trigger rumble have fallen to the wayside nowadays as now you can "feel" the limit of the tires on accel and braking with the series controllers.
Don't believe that, since I played racing games only on the X360, PS3, PC, PS4 and XONE. X360 controllers are one of the worst controllers.
From RB and LB shoulders buttons to build quality in general.
Back when I played racing games on controller I still preferred the xbox one controller as the rumble triggers let you feel the loss of traction. This one looks like a straight upgrade over that (for racing)
Shooters games as well, cannot leave those out!
The Xbox 360 controller is ergonomically perfect. I can't think of a single thing about its shape and button placement that I would change. I've rebuilt a couple of mine now. Had one shoulder button and one A button give out. I even use a wired 360 controller for my Windows 98 gaming PC because there's functional drivers for it.
Ahhhh the halo reach controller. A man of taste I see.
To anyone who has bought this controller how long before you had stick drift or if you were the head stick drift at all
His (understandable) conclusion "I have a hard time recommending this controller unless you really want the 360 feel. Then I guess it's pretty good." doesn't really match the thumbnail and the "close to absolute perfection" title 😅
For me I wanted a 360 controller it is that and shows and an Xbox series controller. Of they ever make wireless I'll buy another.
I wish new Xbox controllers kept the full color buttons like these 360 ones, easyer to see
I can't remember the last time I had to look at the controller while using it
That option's available on Xbox's customizable site.
@@disco4178they are indeed!
I bought their remake of the Duke and it crapped the bed after 6 months of extremely light use. I’m sure this one will be no different
My favourite controller is the Elite Series 2. Why? Because I have logged well over a thousand hours on it and it has yet to develop stick drift. I am almost afraid to have jinxed myself just for having talked about it in a public space.
Elites honestly feel like a total lottery. My first Elite lasted like a year, and my Elite 2 had a broken shoulder button within a month and I had only used it a handful of times doing nothing special with it.
When you get a good one it really is the best you can get.. But.. Yeah.. Quality control is lacking for sure.
The software config and 4 paddles with Shift function is the strongest aspect of the controller. The stick lifetime, trigger stop nubs falling off and shoulder button issues are decidedly not great. But there's no other controllers on the market with the same capabilities on the remapping and paddle quantity, so we're all fucked.
@@Squishydew Yeah same here, had mine a month and the right bumper button broke, took great care of it.
I think I'll be buying this controller over the elite.
I've been wanting an Elite since they were first launched, but to this day can't bring myself to spend the money when they seem to be so hit and miss lol. Would really be nice to have in some games I play, but not at the risk of something that expensive with potential reliability issues when the standard One/Series controller is pretty rock solid(and, on PC, you can augment with the keyboard if necessary of course).
Lucky. Series gen - got 1 serious and 1 very light elite 2 stick drifts
I’m still using my halo reach controllers to this day. Got the usb dongle and everything.
Does it work with my submarine though?
I would love to see controllers with hot swappable buttons. Clicky, soft, etc. I am a STAUNCH SNES controller simp and I absolutely adore the almost mush that they have. It is so much better and easier for when I have to button mash on my speedruns, like in megaman X for example. Clicky buttons are the bane of presses-per-second and I have trouble killing enemies in time before running into them.
Super niche` I know but very real.
I don't speed run or button mash and I prefer mushy buttons to click buttons.
Me 2, I love the switch lite over the joycons for this reason. It's loke the ps4 rather than the xbox
They exist
What about half-presses per second?
Add internal recbargeable battery, hall effect sticks and wireless connectivity and it will be a very nice thing to get
INTERNAL rechargable, hot-swappable rechargable dude.
@@matr1x327No, just a pre-installed play and charge kit. Keep AA option
Not in this timeline
I have a hard time calling Xbox 360 retro. I remember when I was a kid getting it NEW for Christmas the year came out. I remember looking at the controller and thinking it was so new and kind of futuristic. I'm buying one of these just to have one.
Yeah, doesn't quite feel retro to me either. Timeless, maybe. I was already looking for a wired 360 controller when I saw this at microcenter and I needed to get it.
Him wrapping the cables around his hand like that hurts the soul.
Thank you I thought I was the only one.
Remind your hosts ShortCircuit are NOT reviews. 11:16 David says its review content.
But the real question is: How does it compare to the GuliKit King Kong 2 Pro?
As something of a "gamepad enthusiast", while I don't immediately dismiss one because it's wired (one of my favorites is the Razer Wolverine TE, which, for how "serious" and expensive it is, it's weird that it doesn't have a wireless option, not even its V2 follow-up which is just sad), I do think it should be quite standard nowadays. Even though, again, one of my most-used gamepads is wired-only, for which I just dangle the cable over my keyboard, it does get annoying and cluttered at times. It's not really in the way while playing, but you're gonna have to hold it in one general region only. Which in turn, is just good discipline, rather than to hold it in weird positions or something, but still, you're just tethered, which feels so old-fashioned. I even got retro-styled gamepads that are wireless, cause that's something from the past we generally DON'T want. - I will stick with wired for stuff like audio, but any type of controllers... as long as it works, rather not.
Idk if it’s because I grew up mostly on PlayStation. But I do not like xBox controllers. I always felt the built in controller dead zone compared to the PlayStation. Even on my friends set ups who had screens supporting game mode with faster refresh rate even back then I still noticed it. I tested it too. Brought my PlayStation to a friends house and showed them what I meant because the PlayStation controller had a much smaller dead zone.
0-1 year = New
1-5 years = Modern
6-10 years = Old
11-20 years = Classic
21-40 years = Vintage
41-60 years = Piece of History
61+ years = Please put it in a museum or trash, depends on the item.
Did he ever say close to absolute perfection
Big question tho, small mods like button and joystick "mushroom" replacement (not the analog stick itself) still work from a regular 360 one? I really like aluminium buttons/joysticks both for feel and durability.
Seems odd not to fix the D-pad, not really sure what the point of this is.
After falling ib love with the Xbox 360 controller, after many years of owning a PlayStation and PlayStation 2, the Xbox 360 controller was just perfect for me in every single way but since I was fed up of having crappy knock offs or ludicris prices for a wireless xbox controller, I had found a really good brand - PDP Controllers.
It's a wired Xbox One/S style controller and unfortunately, my last one died on me because electrical contact cleaner got the A button stuck...It was the PDP Stealth Serise Spector Violet Controller that had buttons on the back, and unfortunately it wouldn't get unstuck and was impossible to open, so I had to unfortunately throw it away.
I now have the PDP Xbox Serise X|S & PC Purple Fade Rematch Controller and I absolutely love it! It's also lighter than the older model and uses USB C and not USB Micro B like my old one did. You also have software so you can customise the buttons,vibration, mic settings, etc on PC!
The reason it's not wireless, is primarily due to extra licensing fees to include the Xbox's proprietary radio signal, would have made the cost of the pad higher. They could have done BT, but everyone knows BT connection for controllers just suck thanks to the latency and disconnection issues.
Damn, they didn't use the updated d-pad from the tail end of the 360's lifespan? I liked that spinny option.
Not iconic enough I think. Hyperkin kinda gets things as close as they can without directly making a copy. I think that's why some color combos are a bit off.
Sighs in 360 days. Gimme that controller and pop Halo 3 in.
Let's gooooo!
bruh, the xbox 360 was my childhood, im so so so so happy that the controller is being brought back.!!
I have been maintaining my 360 controllers for about 14 years. Daily use, these lil fellas have been through all levels of hell and still work. They are so worn out now though so I was looking for a change. This could be it
I’ve been using the same regular, wired 360 controller since like 2013. 11 years it gave me zero issues, and just today when I picked it up I noticed if I move the cable around it’ll disconnect and reconnect (but STILL no stick drift). I absolutely love the 360 controller, it’s by far my personal favorite. Just bought the Cosmic Night variant of this controller and I am genuinely so, so excited for it to arrive. It’ll be sad packing up ol’ reliable, but damn this controller is sick!
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@@Jaden-ty7vh I genuinely love it so much. I can't overstate how good the Cosmic Night version looks in person, and of course it feels just like the 360 controller in your hand. I was worried about the cable because it doesn't clip into place, but I haven't had it pull out even once. It's got the updated share and pause buttons so it's nice actually seeing the correct glyphs in-game. Honestly I really don't have a single complaint, I've been using it all the time since I got it. If you like the 360 controller, I would 150% recommend it.
@@BirkinIdk how is the stick tension compared to a original 360 or even a ps4 controller
@@Jaden-ty7vh Honestly feels the exact same as my 360 controller. My 360 controller is pretty old though so I'm not sure if that one is worn out, and that's what I'm comparing it to. But I have a PS4 controller right here too and the PS4 controller sticks are 100% stiffer than the Hyperkin Xenon ones. Like the PS4 sticks definitely pull back to center with a bit more tension (which is all personal preference).
@@BirkinIdk stick tension was the first thing I noticed going from ps4 to xbox 360 controller. The 360 controller has more and it feels way better for shooters and just in general. It’s my favorite controller now but the zenon doesn’t live up to it, it has even less tension than a ps4 controller. Which the ps4 controller is pretty damn good but the zenon dosent even reach that level in my opinion.
This is a perfect controller for me, since I mainly play 360 games on my Xbox One.
After I got my Xbox One in 2018 and retired my 360, I moved over to using my wireless 360 controller on my PC with a dongle with a 360 controller up until earlier this year when the stick finally started drifting a bit too much. And because of that I decided to take a chance on the 8-bit do ultimate controller, and it feels really nice. I was never fond of the direction we decided to go with the Xbox One controller, the triggers always had a spongy feel to me and it was just something about it I didn't like compared to the 360 controller. The d-pad was miles better, but I feel like the parts of the controller that are used more often got a slight hit in quality.
Just ordered one for £16 from Argos (UK), can't go wrong for that amount
The 360 isn’t the worst d pad of all time. Though it might be 2nd to the OG Xbox dpad.
Also I assume that the A to C cables this come with are USB2. (Which the controller itself is probably also USB2.)
A controller with no Hall Effect sticks in 2023 is already behind. Those kinds of sticks aren't even more expensive. The Gamesir T4 Kaleid has Hall Effect sticks and triggers, RGB, rear grip buttons, and has mechanical ABXY buttons for $42. If you want as close to an exact replica of the 360 controller though, that seems to be the route.
But is that an Xbox 360 controller because that's what matters here
We need more controller reviews!
In the time I’ve had my ps4 controller, I’ve broken two 360 controllers. I don’t rage, I don’t throw, I just game with a firm (not hulk-like) grip. Shoulder button fell off of one, trigger fell off the other. The button arrangement is good, but it’s just not sturdy. I’ll take a sturdy ps4 controller and sacrifice the layout convenience, for something that actually can support its own structure.
If this had the hall effect analog sticks and the Playstation-like d-pad, it would be the perfect controller.
I'll be using this as my main controller for Xbox and PC. It feels just as amazing as the original 360 controller.
With that title I had assumed it would at least have Hall Effect sticks. Without that it goes from "close to perfection" to "just another controller"
The Cosmic Knight colorway looks so sexy. An Xbox 360 controller with Hall Effect sticks would be my endgame.
This actually beat out the Hori Octa and The 8Bitdo 6 button fight pad in my opinion. Both of those sucked for SF6. On the Octa I kept getting unintentional Drive Rushes and the 8BitDo DPad was missing inputs. So I grabbed the Hyperkin...and I have none of those issues . Plus I think this might work for Tekken 8 as well. Plus this one works good for charge characters like Guile. I tell people now the 360 pad was the best for Street Fighter... I remember being able to do Guile's supers on SF4 easily on the original 360 pad...put on PS3 controller I couldn't. DS4 I would say was 2nd best for stock controllers. The Hyperkin the dpad might be a little stiff....but im not dropping combos or moves as much anymore. It is as close to a 360 controller as you might get in 2024. Not perfect but really good.
Really too bad we won't be getting a wireless version. The 360 was the goat
$50 is a bit of an ask on these imo. Back in the day the wired only 360 controllers cost like, $20, so with inflation and the ever so slightly updated design I'd like to see these more in the $30-$35 range. That would be much easier to justify for the nostalgia.
I don't get what the obsession with the 360 controller is, all the following ones have just gotten better and better.
Same. It's strange
What obsession? It's just a throwback to a little piece of nostalgia for a lot of people, just like Hyperkin's previously released Duke derived controller.
Best shape! More modern one keep rotating the grip more vertical and making it skinnier. Same thing happened to Playstation.
@@RyTrapp0dude I had so much fun playing Ninja Gaiden with the remade Duke. So many memories of being so frustrated!
honestly the taller analog sticks is honestly one of the best changes they couldve done, my main grip with the 360 controller is the analog sticks just felt too short. every time i try to go back and use it that is the first thing that stands out to me.
Yep I made a comment similar to this earlier, did the same thing back in the day by taking the sticks out of a controller S and swapping them in to an x360 controller, I did it for comfort and to keep my aim similar from the xbox days with halo 1 and 2. I haven't tried to swap sticks in a modern controller but if the stems are similar the caps should fit right on without issue. Only really ran into differences with some third party controllers back then in which case I'd get a cheap used controller from the same company with sticks I liked and swap them then let my friends use the other one. The best third party controller for xbox back then in my opinion is the Pelican Eclipse. You get a controller s style layout and the controller is a little bigger plus you get duplicated black and white buttons on the top of the controller. It was marketed for football games but it worked really well for shooters with easier access to two more buttons while aiming that other people may not have had at the time.
As long as this 360 controller lasts as long as the old microsoft one, im fine with the $50 price for it brand new, but id be even more willing to pay another $10 for hall effect sticks... Maybe hyperkin will do a controller with them in the future hopefully
A DAC in a controller is certainly an interesting idea, would be nice for my use case.
Not super DAC proficient knowledge wise but would it add significant weight?
The weight would be unnotizable, it'd be a different thing if they came with an amp tho
DAC is something pretty standard on everything made the past 20 years with a headphone jack
Modern controllers with a headphone jack already have a DAC. He's saying he wants a better one.
The XBOX 360 controller is the king, I still use mine from way back when I'm playing controller games on PC
Mr. Big Hands here. I cannot game without the Duke controller.
Luckily hyperkin makes a updated model of that as well though not as new
You can't call that the worst D-pad of all time when the Gamegear exists.
The XB360 controller is one of the most comfortable. But the awful D-pad makes it unusable in some games. Which is why the DS3 is overall better.
ds3 is literally the ps1 controller with joystick. Ds4 is better but ds3 was outdated before it even released
@@mcsnuggie if you're gonna be wrong it's good that you're at least confident.
The DS3 introduced analog triggers, is wireless and the buttons are pressure sensitive ala DS2.
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$50 is kinda steep for me, but the 360 controller is my favorite of the more modern controllers. The Xenon feels slightly different, but it's just a great controller overall.
Anyone else remember that one X360 controller where the dpad rotated and had that bit that recessed? Would have liked to see that again.
Not being wireless is definitely a deal breaker for me.
You're NOT using them on Windows, I'm guessing. Windows blutooth is shit. Absolutely disgraceful how trash it is after all this time. It's notorious for how terrible it is.
I miss the days when Thrustmaster made cool PC controllers with extra buttons and features.
Correction: 4:23 -- this port is *NOT* proprietary! It will happily take any 2.5mm headphone/mic or adapted 3.5mm headphone 3 pole system.
Underrated comment since you're right about the middle hole. What's on either side of it is of course proprietary.
The original wired xbox 360 controllers were always lighter than the wireless versions. The battery bay and weight made a big difference in the heft.
genuinely thinking about adding some tiny weights to add a few grams to mine, although i’m
not sure whether or not this is a good idea. most likely not.
On the XBOX Elite Gamepad, you actually get great feedback from the ABXY buttons, maybe it's a cost-saving thing on the regular XBone pads?
The Elite V2 is my favorite pad of all time... sure, it's ridiculously expensive for a gamepad, but a) the buttons feel amazing, b) I won't ever go back to a pad without rear paddles, c) the fact that you can customize it quite a bit and it still instantly works with any game without any hassle whatsoever makes for a pretty convincing package for PC gamepad use.
I used to think the xbox 360 dpad was trash as I grew up with the ps1/2, snes, nes, and genesis dpads. Gave it a good shot with street fighter iv and mvc3 and realized I just misunderstood it. I like it more than the ps3s to be honest
360 controller may have perfect ergnomics of any controller ever......... coming from a playstation fanboy i still love dualshock but 360 controller is that good
Truth!
The big question is: does this controller works on x360?
There's NO WAY the air inside it smells like Bacon Bits like the original 360 controller.
What's up with the audio on this one, feels really loud even though I'm at like 20% on my headphones. Otherwise great video
Sidenote, you mention hoping for a better DAC in controllers. Alternative take, how much longer until they remove the analog audio port altogether and just throw a 2nd USB-C port there? Which in USB-C all the things crusade I'm all for.
Okay, i'm sold. When my xbox one controller dies, this is the one i buy.
Everybody’s talking about hall sticks, brother I don’t understand how they didn’t slap a new dpad on there. The 360 dpad was notoriously shitty
I hope i'll see Flydify Vader 3 Pro review sometime on ShortCircuit
Xbox 360 is a Classic Console in 2024.
The Controller S Original Xbox controller is the 2nd best controller I've ever used (2nd to Dualsense)
I like the noise cancelling to get rid of the fan noise from the laptop. If it is not, then something is up with the audio processing somewhere. Did MSI want this?
what is that "wire" technology you mention? something from history?
Hey can you make a video comparison of available PC controllers and PC- comparable controllers(PS and Xbox versions and their connectivity) please
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that MSI ad sounds like it was written by Amy Schumer,
a feeling of smugly thinking they know what they're talking about. "eat spicy goodness, like a boss"
LTT, do you have any flightsimmers, revue on joysticks and other setups would be really interesting!
The Series controller is best all around for me, tho a 360 with a Series disc/micro switched dpad would be killer.
I love knowing me and david both got the reach limited edition xbox
How does anyone enjoy controllers with oversized, unstable D-pads like the 360 controller had? How can you accurately move around or pick the right menu option without isolated directions?
Cause you press down and feel it got click! Even more on the new one.
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the fake endings always get me. HAHAHA
As a controller connoisseur, I have to admit David is dead wrong about PlayStation controllers. 😂
Xbox controllers are widely accepted to be ergonomically superior.
@@MobikSaysStuff "Widely accepted"
My anecdote where that is not the case disputes your anecdote where it is.
Hey, look, we're even.
@@bartbasil3704 No we're not. You are in the minority.
Jeeez. I was like "I'm buying it right now"... But a minute later, they ruined DPAD. The original x360 DPAD was the best for me personally.
Wdym? He reviews it as the dpad being the same as with the x360?
@@Lily-white He said it's clicking. Original x360 dpad had zero click. But you more like slide on it instead of touching specific direction.
@@IgorYatskiv oh, guess I just didn't hear that part
@@Lily-white Original x360 dpad was more like very short travel stick. You was able to hold your finger on dpad all the time. Setting direction by slight movement of your finger. It was super cool once you get used to it. No need to do actual "click". You just move finger so slightly and do a special move. In my personal opinion it was just so much better for fightings, run&gun, shmups etc. You just need to get used to it. It's like stick + gyro aiming. It might be hard at first. But once you lerned how to use it. You just out of the competition.
@@IgorYatskiv yeah, I hated the thing, but looking back could see it potentially being nice for fighting games, shmups I much prefer keyboard or stick so can't speak to that, sounds better than the analog stick for them though and from other shmup experiences on dpads it wasn't too bad
I personally used the 360 for a bunch of random games but never liked the dpad in any of them especially RPG menus
I heard this controller is a must have when building aquatic vehicles.
I cant stand the the askew joysticks, it drives me nuts. It took me years to not get thumb cramps on my left hand. every time i grab my PS controllers, I'm always like this is how it should feel in my heads, perfect. also the Series X controller is a down grade from the xbox ones controller. need to get ride of the circular D pad and just go with the Plus D pad.
This controller is much better than the recent ones.
8bitdo also has a colab with Xbox but is has one of the best d-pads available.
How’s the dead zone on the Hyperkin’s sticks? I find the Series X and Elite 2 both have a dead zone that can’t be tuned out and it makes them unusable for racing games at a high level.
Is this controller compatible with the xbox 360?
So the analogue sticks of this Hyperkin is softer than the control of the original 360?
If there's gyro, I don't want it. Gyro is such a huge qol feature that needs to be implemented into a wider variety of controllers. Their lack of presences in Xbox style controllers is such a shame. Pro controller is still the best other than the lack of analog triggers
Inagine being surprised that people don't only use a console controller next to their PC USB port