Great review! Glad to see you still enjoying the bike. I agree that it's a fun bike to man handle off road. Puts a smile on your face. The criticism of the geometry I think is valid. But as you said, can mostly be solved by a set-back seatpost. Will try look into the feasibility of offering a choice of seatpost. 🙌🙌
Hey do you guys plan on restocking the size medium G2 or are you designing a G3? Just wondering because I'm planning on getting a frame in the next 2-3 months and based on this video I may need a size medium. Thanks!
I have had one of these for a while now. I pained over the measurements at purchase and concluded that running a shorter stem got me in a good position. Upright and a bit further back. I really like the frame and the big clearance. I use it for everything "fun". Bike packing over 2 weeks with 2" XC tyres, fast grav rides on 38's, slick 35's with fenders for winter commuting. It's been great and great value. Some of the price comes in due to a bit lower quality. Mine arrived with quite a few of the bossed bolts cross threaded and a couple straight-up missing. I've also found the fork expander plug to be a bit average, it keeps coming loose. Over long offroad bike packing trip it kept vibrating loose and putting slack in the headset. a bit sketchy having a loose headset and also caused some paint cracking around the top of the head tube. But I'm living with it because of the value for money. Just my honest experience.
I had the same problem with the paint cracking, Winspace recalled some early G2 stem expanders, check out the safety notices on their website. I asked them to send me a new one when I bought some wheels from them. Also I put in a 1mm spacer on the stem for the paint too.
The short reach is what I wanted it is a more comfortable position for me. I built mine up with parts from my previous gravel bike so I used a Cane Creek eeSilk seat post so I never noticed the harsh ride. I also added the eeSilk 90mm stem and it made a world of difference. I can blast down bumpy downhills with confidence.
I bought mine (green!) partially because of your last video. It's my gravel and bikepacking rig, but it does the majority of its kms as my daily commuter and the geometry is great for that. But I agree about the seatpost. I have a couple of friends who have Canyon Grails and those split setback seatposts are amazing
love to see you cycling uTubers (GP Lama, Hambini, Peak Torque, ride media, Cam Nicholls etc) get together & do a review of all sorts of bikes a bit like the RACV does for car of the year by class.
@@JustRideAdelaide ..its actually a nice gravel frame..will take up to 45 tyres.. reasonably long rear stays ... 27.2mm setback seatpost. A few nice features like long top tube .... built in chain drop protector and a drainage grille near the bottom bracket to let any water out and an adjustable top bearing head tube system so effectively not using any spacers under the stem
Very much considering picking one of these up for a new super commuter build, just waiting until my current supply of spares runs out for my current bike
It would certainly help - I've got one of those well overdue to review on another bike. But that's quite a big ticket expense to add onto a value-focused frame.
Seatback vs straight post is a fit parameter and should not be used to chase a certain ride quality. But it does change ride quality, but maybe for worse, if the fit is not correct.
I got the 650b. Weak wheelset. After just several use it developed warps on the top edges near the spokes. They replaced the rear wheelset at first but when the front wheelset developed the same warps and so do the replacement, I was told that they cannot replace them anymore. What’s more upsetting is they had me wait for several months!
another great review. just curious ... with the geometry of this frame, would you consider going up a frame size and using a shorter stem? do you think that would that solve any handling issues off road??
I reckon a setback post and shorter stem is still the best way to chill out the geometry. Going up a frame size will make it suuuuuper tall at the front relative to your height
@@JustRideAdelaide You're definitely more of an expert than I am, but my knee-jerk reaction to seeing you on that bike sure made it seem like the bike is a little too small for you. I also googled the geometry of a size medium giant revolt (which fits people at my height- 5'9) and its much closer to the size medium G2 than the small G2. If I were to size down it would be a bit cramped.
Ay-up matey! Great few words. Pondering over my own G2, but I'm on the fence with sizing. How tall are you for your medium frame selection please? Cheers! I.
yeah that geometry is what would have made me say NO on this bike, the bike is just too short - and as I have heart is harsh AF. and it really needs a 20-25 offset seatpost and a 80mm stem. i wouldn't want to be on a straight post with a 110mm stem on gravel, yikes.,
Is it just me or is WinSpace sending out these bikes to a bunch of UA-camrs for product pimping? I know you claim to give honest reviews, but this causes me to doubt your opinions. When it comes to carbon, we are talking about peoples lives at risk. If you have chosen money/compensation over promoting a frame that has questionable fork integrity/durability/testing, that is sad.
A couple of things: 1. I didn't get money or compensation. The build costs mean I'm actually out of pocket to make this review. Plus, the time and hardware investment in making these videos is significant. 2. I'm not sure what you're saying about promoting the frame over potential safety issues. What safety issues specifically? I spoke very specifically about concerns with the fork and steerer design in the build video. I showed exactly what I didn't like about it and how we managed it. 3. I've addressed the positives and negatives of my experience with the product across 2 videos and given everything I think potential buyers need to know. Is there something within the content that makes you to doubt what I said? It wasn't wholly positive. I said multiple things that Winspace wouldn't have liked. Do you think someone shilling for the brand would criticise the product?
@@JustRideAdelaide I am just saying there are a TON of UA-cam product pimps all of a sudden showing up with "winspace" frames. Some of these product pimps are admitting that Winspace is doing some sort of back door deal with them. I notice UA-cam pimps always give carefully worded explanations of how they came to own the product. So did they initiate contact with you? Did they give you the frame? Have you confirmed ANY stress testing on the fork to show saftety?
Great review! Glad to see you still enjoying the bike. I agree that it's a fun bike to man handle off road. Puts a smile on your face. The criticism of the geometry I think is valid. But as you said, can mostly be solved by a set-back seatpost. Will try look into the feasibility of offering a choice of seatpost. 🙌🙌
Please do. I'd much rather buy a carbon seatpost from Winspace rather than spend $300 with other brands.
Hey do you guys plan on restocking the size medium G2 or are you designing a G3? Just wondering because I'm planning on getting a frame in the next 2-3 months and based on this video I may need a size medium. Thanks!
Please offer complete bikes too.
I have had one of these for a while now. I pained over the measurements at purchase and concluded that running a shorter stem got me in a good position. Upright and a bit further back. I really like the frame and the big clearance. I use it for everything "fun". Bike packing over 2 weeks with 2" XC tyres, fast grav rides on 38's, slick 35's with fenders for winter commuting. It's been great and great value. Some of the price comes in due to a bit lower quality. Mine arrived with quite a few of the bossed bolts cross threaded and a couple straight-up missing. I've also found the fork expander plug to be a bit average, it keeps coming loose. Over long offroad bike packing trip it kept vibrating loose and putting slack in the headset. a bit sketchy having a loose headset and also caused some paint cracking around the top of the head tube. But I'm living with it because of the value for money. Just my honest experience.
I had the same problem with the paint cracking, Winspace recalled some early G2 stem expanders, check out the safety notices on their website. I asked them to send me a new one when I bought some wheels from them. Also I put in a 1mm spacer on the stem for the paint too.
Whats the max spacers you can put under stem? 40mm normal as any other bikes off the shelf?
The short reach is what I wanted it is a more comfortable position for me. I built mine up with parts from my previous gravel bike so I used a Cane Creek eeSilk seat post so I never noticed the harsh ride. I also added the eeSilk 90mm stem and it made a world of difference. I can blast down bumpy downhills with confidence.
I bought mine (green!) partially because of your last video. It's my gravel and bikepacking rig, but it does the majority of its kms as my daily commuter and the geometry is great for that. But I agree about the seatpost. I have a couple of friends who have Canyon Grails and those split setback seatposts are amazing
As always, outstanding review! Thanks!
My pleasure!
I am very satisfied with the frame. with some adjustments to the seatpost and headset I have had a lot of fun with the bike. 😄😄😄
love to see you cycling uTubers (GP Lama, Hambini, Peak Torque, ride media, Cam Nicholls etc) get together & do a review of all sorts of bikes a bit like the RACV does for car of the year by class.
Great review good to have you back James , having lots of fun on the Grail these days !
It seems an expensive frame when I can buy an Argon 18 gravel frame for just $100USD more. Good to see you back
Good lawd is that how cheap Argon 18s are in the states?!
And thanks, good to be back 😁
@@JustRideAdelaide .. you can buy the Argon 18 gravel frame here in Australia for $2000AUD
Wow, really? I couldn't see a frame only buy option on their website !
@@cannon1156 Yikes, I don't pay any attention to Argon 18 apart from seeing the track squad ride them
@@JustRideAdelaide ..its actually a nice gravel frame..will take up to 45 tyres.. reasonably long rear stays ... 27.2mm setback seatpost. A few nice features like long top tube .... built in chain drop protector and a drainage grille near the bottom bracket to let any water out and an adjustable top bearing head tube system so effectively not using any spacers under the stem
Very much considering picking one of these up for a new super commuter build, just waiting until my current supply of spares runs out for my current bike
A redshift suspension stem would mate perfectly to mute vibrations whilst preserving the snappiness.
It would certainly help - I've got one of those well overdue to review on another bike. But that's quite a big ticket expense to add onto a value-focused frame.
Nice review. Would a Sram Rival 43/30T chainrings work on this bike noticing that the chainstay drop gap is pretty low and small
Great video. Perfect review🙌
Haha cheers dude!
Great review as always would love to see you do a review on Campagnolo Ekar if you got hold of one Groupset 😊
Way ahead of you! My Bossi Grit SX has Ekar and I've got a review planned. I ride that bike in the Maxis Rambler review if you want to see it 🤙
New 2022 Giant Revolt looks like a winner! Because reasons. Be great to see you review of a “mainstream” bike like that!
Unfortunately COVID and supply chain chaos killed off demo bikes. Big media outlets can get them again but I'm not quite at that level yet 🥲
great green colour too.
Seatback vs straight post is a fit parameter and should not be used to chase a certain ride quality. But it does change ride quality, but maybe for worse, if the fit is not correct.
I got the 650b. Weak wheelset. After just several use it developed warps on the top edges near the spokes. They replaced the rear wheelset at first but when the front wheelset developed the same warps and so do the replacement, I was told that they cannot replace them anymore. What’s more upsetting is they had me wait for several months!
Great review. Where can I purchase that cycling cap you’re wearing? Thank you.
another great review. just curious ... with the geometry of this frame, would you consider going up a frame size and using a shorter stem? do you think that would that solve any handling issues off road??
I reckon a setback post and shorter stem is still the best way to chill out the geometry. Going up a frame size will make it suuuuuper tall at the front relative to your height
@@JustRideAdelaide You're definitely more of an expert than I am, but my knee-jerk reaction to seeing you on that bike sure made it seem like the bike is a little too small for you. I also googled the geometry of a size medium giant revolt (which fits people at my height- 5'9) and its much closer to the size medium G2 than the small G2. If I were to size down it would be a bit cramped.
Ay-up matey!
Great few words. Pondering over my own G2, but I'm on the fence with sizing. How tall are you for your medium frame selection please?
Cheers!
I.
Great review and interesting option. Any chance you could share the handlebar bag used here?
skingrowsback Little Lunch handlebar bag 👌
Can you consider reviewing POLYGON Bend R5 & R2 and Path X4 & X5.
Do I see correctly that there is toe overlap with front wheel?
What can you say about the color? I am between this green and the crimson red.
Oh man I love this green! It looks fantastic. Really sparkles in the sun. For my tastes the red is a bit much, but I get why others would love it 👌
hey james .. why did you not change the seatpost to a setback one? thats fairly fundamental isnt it? I almost.always have to use a setback sestpost
I reviewed the product as it's sold 🤷♀️
@@JustRideAdelaide no worries thanks 👍
All this time and effort spent on this video can’t believe you just didn’t put the offset seat post on it
personally the described geometry is perfect for how I like a gravel bike setup, although a 31.6mm post is a bit oversized - dropper post anyone?
How did this compare to the Moots Routt you reviewed?
yeah that geometry is what would have made me say NO on this bike, the bike is just too short - and as I have heart is harsh AF.
and it really needs a 20-25 offset seatpost and a 80mm stem. i wouldn't want to be on a straight post with a 110mm stem on gravel, yikes.,
Why is that? No control with longer stem? Only good for fast speed with longer stem?
you said you have a medium size frame. May I ask how tall you are? Thanks for this review.
I'm 180 cm - but all arms and legs with a short torso
@@JustRideAdelaide Thanks again!
For me 500$ frame is ''cheap''. Winspace is like 3 time more?
Cheap is definitely a misleading term when it comes to carbon. I'd probably just get an actually cheap steel or alloy frame tbh.
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I vaguely remember this guy
Is it just me or is WinSpace sending out these bikes to a bunch of UA-camrs for product pimping? I know you claim to give honest reviews, but this causes me to doubt your opinions. When it comes to carbon, we are talking about peoples lives at risk. If you have chosen money/compensation over promoting a frame that has questionable fork integrity/durability/testing, that is sad.
A couple of things:
1. I didn't get money or compensation. The build costs mean I'm actually out of pocket to make this review. Plus, the time and hardware investment in making these videos is significant.
2. I'm not sure what you're saying about promoting the frame over potential safety issues. What safety issues specifically? I spoke very specifically about concerns with the fork and steerer design in the build video. I showed exactly what I didn't like about it and how we managed it.
3. I've addressed the positives and negatives of my experience with the product across 2 videos and given everything I think potential buyers need to know. Is there something within the content that makes you to doubt what I said? It wasn't wholly positive. I said multiple things that Winspace wouldn't have liked. Do you think someone shilling for the brand would criticise the product?
@@JustRideAdelaide I am just saying there are a TON of UA-cam product pimps all of a sudden showing up with "winspace" frames. Some of these product pimps are admitting that Winspace is doing some sort of back door deal with them. I notice UA-cam pimps always give carefully worded explanations of how they came to own the product. So did they initiate contact with you? Did they give you the frame? Have you confirmed ANY stress testing on the fork to show saftety?