The Strangest Myths About the Lance
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- its been an intersting couple of weeks for monster hunter, the whole debacle around whether Deviljho can actually eat his own tail or not has been a great thing to see, and its inspired me to do some mythbusting of my own.
we've also had the announcement that the next dev diary is happening on the 16th so Tu3 will hopefully be showing up next week, so i'll crack on with updating the meta sets for the next video.
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the greatest lance myth is
"The lance is not fun, its just poke poke poke"
Debunked. And not just because there is so much more to the lance than that, but simply because POKE POKE POKE *is already fun enough!*
Cz now it's not just Poke poke poke hop repeat,
Its now can do hop(guarding)-pokepokepoke
Right?
mine is shieldtackle thrust shieldtackle thrust skyward thrust panic cart
having a less complicated weapon is great imo, not every weapon has to have 20 different combinations of moves and functions as it not only brings a different experience entirely, it gives the weapon a very different feel. that said, one of my favorite reasons for using lance is i can go to it after weapons like longsword or charge blade and just sit back while monsters KO themselves with the new stun guard rampage decoration :)
This Deviljho tail thing makes me go nuts. I could've sworn that I've seen him eating his own tail. I have such strong memories of it as well! It's so weird and unbelievable to think that this myth has been there for such a long time now and people are still uncertain. Insane. Anyways, about the "backhop"-myth: I would also assume that higher frames give you less time / decreasing the i-frames? Atleast it's like this for other things. On Switch it feels easier to dodge but this might be placebo. Anyways nice video and very interesting topic to talk about :)
The deviljho tail thing has been wild. It feels like everyone is ~60% sure that they've seen it happen but there is also nothing online that can back up the claim, its utterly mad.
I've witnessed it. I don't need anybody to confirm it for me or validate my experience.
I thought i've seen it one time too, back in 3U on 3ds, but it was 10 years ago so i'm not even sure anymore.
Same. I swear I've seen it happen before I even heard the rumors. Really vividly as well. Maybe it's one of those mandella effect things.
Wait a minute, it doesn’t eat it’s tail?
As a lance main since 2005~ish, lance being boring is the biggest myth.
For the blunt/cutting hitzone, this is something i can confirm from frontier, since jebia/vashimu tail needed both cutting and impact weapon, lance was one of the only weapon (for a very long time) who could cut his tail solo. But i don't think it's a thing anymore.
ive been playing MHXX on my ds during flights and it's been a very interesting challenge with lance. I think there would be a lot of fun things to talk about lance wise in the older games in this style. It definitely feels significantly different from Rise. great videos :)
Lance was a beast in that game. Striker paticularly. Loved it
Definitely the most misunderstood weapon ♥
And the best so far, in terms of fun, that's coming from someone that has played over at least a hundred hours for most weapons, except maybe heavy bowgun.
The only time using a ledge to cancel the recovery frames of Skyward Thrust has been truly gamechanging is for the Narwa fight. Because every time it is knocked down, it raises ledges near its exposed glowing weak spot. I've seen one speedrunner abuse this specific terrain interaction to chain consecutive Skyward Thrusts on a downed Narwa. Doing that definitely shaved off a lot of time in that person's speedrun.
Hi there! Just wanted to say that I've really been enjoying your videos! :D Been playing MH since Tri and have honestly NEVER given lance the time of day before Sunbreak. Been practicing with it for a couple weeks now and I'm having a blast with it! Your videos really helped learning combos and breaking down all the individual moves so thank you, I really appreciated the help! Swag axe will always be my OG and #1, but I think lance may definitely break into my top 3 favorite weapons lol
I'd love to see some content on the older games, specifically Tri! It's the game where Lance really hit its stride, the game with underwater Lance (best Lance btw), and the game with Gobul, so I think it'd be fitting. Also, any excuse to return to Moga is a good one.
If you want to test guarding unguardable attacks and are worried about stamina, use power guard with infinite stamina drink. That would undeniably determine if the attacks are truly unblockable or not because for some reason I think some attacks might hit from multiple angles at once or might not have a strictly determined source. Who knows, but it just makes the idea of unblockable attacks being unblockable even with a skill that says can block unblockable attacks very deceiving.
yeah just guarding it's not gonna cut it, and also i don't know if power guarding works the same like in world but power guard should protect you all around (360 degrees don't know if they changed it tho)
@@Wafflefucker69 Power guard is full 360 guard in Rise too.
As far as I remember, the only real usage of Lance's old "pierce" gimmick was to slap on Weakness Exploit, since increasing damage to weak hitzones was good enough and the pierce functionally gave it two chances to try at the increased damage. Obviously in practice, as mentioned, there weren't always good opportunities to use, or even confirm, that the pierce was even working, but back in those good ol days I barely cared. If the monster died before I did, that was enough for me.
I would love to see Pierce come back and be exclusive to Lance and Pierce Ammo. Would give them more of a niche that I feel was taken away in later generations
Best MH UA-cam channel
As a Lance main I really like your content I'm glad I found your channel
Would love to see more content from older titles. Great videos!
I'm pretty sure the backhops question was about the extended backhops and not the regular ones.
Those i-frames graphics were amazing and hilarious.
I'd like to see content about the older games. I've heard that in Tri (maybe 3U as well) that the lance had it's mv nerfed on land but retained it's high mv underwater. I have also heard the s were ridiculous in 4U but got drastically nerfed in GU and I'm curious by how much. Really enjoyed this video!
The I frames were the same in GU and 4U, what was nerfed was the Evasion Skill, it could no longer go to Evasion +3 in GU.
Okay, so that's why I can't break Barroth's Scalp in Sunbreak like I did in Gen U, I didn't realize the switched to purely Cutting with Gen 5. A shame they didn't keep that mechanic.
Dude you pulled a god charm for longsword builds quick sheathe 3 with 2 2 slots, I would kill to have that charm in the base game
Late comment but I would always be down for content on the older games! MH is one of those series where almost all the games feel evergreen to me
a further clarification on the dual cutting/blunt aspect:
in first gen (jp release of mh1 through international mh freedom), lance doesn't scale back the blunt part for comparison; as a result lance is actually the lategame meta for melee! the 0.72x modifier was introduced in mh2 to rein it back in line with the other returning weapons.
The backhop thing is from people thinking the Lance and the SnS get the same Backhop.
Great effort
Slight correction: You are able to get yourself out of the endlag of skyward thrust with a hop or attack. Your video shows it. The frames are pretty tiny, but you are cutting the animation off. The lance isn't completely sweeping forward as it does when you let the animation go without trying to skip it.
it happened me twice but after skyward trust i used lance charge and it looked like it had less endlag than a poke or shield tackle
Please do content for GU! I just got into it and I love it! Honestly any old mh
Sorry if I did not catch it, but can Espinas' attack be blocked by lance's power guard?
unfortunately not, power guard doesn't work against the attack.
@@Gobuls_Lantern D'oh! Good to know, thanks for the reply.
Usually skillswap has animation cancelling properties but it doesn't seem any faster when I checked.
9:40 Aha- I've had this happen to me quite a few times by accident, leaving me wondering why I was free of the animation lag. I figured it had something to do with elevation, but I feel like I've seen it happen away from ledges, I'm probably wrong though or some other shenanigan was going on (like a player/monster's body pushing you, obviously without you getting hit during it).
Older game content: yes please!
Power Guard, though?
You can block Rajang's sgrab in MHW: Iceborne if you guard dash towards it, i'm not sure if by just guarding near him when he starts the animation or if guad up makes a difference there but hey at least is not like Jho's
Content on older games is really interesting to me, cuz I'll never play them lol
Jho eats his tail in Tri.
I'm a HR999 with over 3.000 hours playing that game. i memorized each and every single one of jho's movements like it's my job.
He eat his tail, and fuck "lack of internet proof", nobody recorded gameplays back then. My brain is the proof. 100%. Fuck the guy who started the gossip.
I literally went back through all the 7 games containing deviljho especially the 2 Japanese exclusive games! 4 and p3rd. I even had to by a new psp to boot. Lol from tri, p3rd, 3u, 4, 4u, gen, gen ultimate, and iceborne (xbox one) I had spent a very very unhealthy amount of hours into just pure jho tail cutting of every iteration of jho through every rank! Including hyper, savajho, and even event quest jho from MH tri called "world eater" that is the biggest deviljho in the entire series. I did all that just to literally see him even once eat his tail and came up with nothing! I had to do it cause it's been to many years I kept hearing this conspiracy and bulshit claims so I took the time to do it myself!😂😂
Well he didn't eat his tail but he did eat my Kushala Daora, at least he helped!
Lance with huge shield, 5 guard skill, and 6 extra skills making their block able to block normally unblockable attacks, and more skills dedicated to ensuring they have infinite stamina to block it: Ded.
Longsword with no skill investment hiding behind a metal noodle: "lol what attack? Oh and I hit you back harder"
Used insect glaive for the longest time ignoring the lance, decided to have ago with it a few days ago and ngl im having more fun with the lance
Mythbusting!
0:10 I would swear that I've seen devil jho eating his tail. I wonder if there's a small group of people purposely putting meat under the tail to make it look like that. But anyways I think that that should have been a thing
Wait wait wait... 1st myth about unblockable attacks... you've said certain weapons can counter them... Lance has counters... 🤔 Like 4 different counter too. Can lance counter it?
yo any chance you can share your spreadsheet for matchups just want to see underlying calcs. thank you
I'm working on it, ideally i get the whole spreadsheet to a presentable state so that other people can use it (but, no promises its ready for the update next week). In the mean time if there are specific questions about how i'm calculating stuff feel free to ask i'll be happy to help!
I've been told that Stamina Theif isn't useful for Lance because it only works with shield attacks.
I hit things with my shield pretty regularly. Do you think a Drain Jewel is more useful than people realize?
On the face of it no, its probably not worth it unless more than half of your attacks are shield attack. There are some meme-y armour sets that focus specifically on stamina thief, but they're not particularly effective for actually hunting stuff, and instead focus on novelty
how do you get the royal order lance?
Didn't backhops have a lot more s in older games? 4u I defnitely think it did
its been a long times since I've played 4u but iirc the number of s we had was the same at the base level (around 4 frames at 30fps) but hoping in 4u could be pushed much further with evasion +3 allowing you to be invincible for the entire duration of the backhop.
but in terms of backhops vs fronthops, backhops technically had more s in 4u because being able to hop in any direction didn't exist until world.