Momentum Pakyak E+ Review $5.5k
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- The Momentum Pakyak E+ is a premium electric cargo bike with dual-battery option for extended range, high speed 28mph performance in the US, and powerful SynchDrive Pro mid-drive motor (based on Yamaha PW-X). Available in two colors, the mid-step frame is approachable, and the adjustable height seat post accommodates multiple riders who share! High performance hydraulic disc brakes use thick upgraded rotors, extra large brake fluid reservoirs, and quad piston calipers for safe stops under load and at speed. Wide handlebar slows turns while requiring less hand effort. ViscoSet headset smooths steering and brings the handlebar back to center, improving stability. Stiff frame did not flex or wobble at speed, despite being a mid-step. Custom double-leg kickstand provides excellent stability for loading, and is easy to deploy and stow. Smaller 24-inch wheel size makes the bike easier to load with cargo, while still offering a low attack angle and higher air volume for comfort. Premium integrated lights are highly visible, the headlight points where you steer but doesn't interfere with the front rack. Momentum is part of Giant, which has a vast network of dealers who provide support. While pricey, the bike offers good value due to premium components, refined accessories, and unique characteristics found nowhere else. It's very heavy at 84lbs, but feels powerful when riding. The battery charging port position is low, the charger is large and heavy while also requiring a dongle to charge packs off bike.
0:00 Introduction, company background
0:38 Motor overview, SyncDrive Pro / Yamaha PW-X
1:22 Weight: 84lbs total, 6.8lb motor, 7.2lb batteries
1:47 Front and rear rack discussion, accessories!
2:50 Drivetrain overview, Shimano Nexus Inter 5E IGH
3:22 Fork mounting options, fenders, lights, kickstand
4:54 Brakes, spokes, rims, suspension dropper post
8:05 Boost hub spacing front, floating dropout rear
8:36 Key-matched storage compartment and battery
9:12 Matching paint and minimalist graphics
9:40 Cane Creek Viscoset stabilizing headset
10:12 Motor details: 250w, 80nm, 360%, 170 RPM
10:47 On-frame battery charging port, battery details
11:46 Open storage container, battery removal
13:59 Battery care tips, battery charger details
16:08 Display panel intro, USB C charging port!
17:32 Display panel menus operation, lights demo
20:38 Giant RideControl smartphone app
21:33 Display brightness, stability braking test
22:53 Kickstand test, third person shots
22:29 Drivetrain shots, RPM pedal speed test
24:38 Shifting tests, Shimano NEXUS Inter-5e
25:45 Conclusions and site resources (compare, forums)
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Hi guys! I got some additional information from Momentum about this custom motor. They said that it's not just an "off the shelf" rebadged PW-X. They implemented a slope (incline/decline) detection sensor into the SyncDrive Pro motor to further sophisticate the data points that feed into the human power and motor assist recipe. Especially so for the auto mode feature, which is custom tuned to each bike platform. The auto mode programming for a cargo bike is very different than that of a performance e-Mountain bike. It sounds like they even shared this sensor technology back with Yamaha to use in future platforms as part of their partnership! Very cool.
I focused on the Cane Creek Viscoset headset a lot too, and was told that it's not designed to "return to center" like the stabilizer springs that I compared it to. The Viscoset uses fluid shims and the viscos fluid to provide adjustable resistance to unwanted rotation of the steering system.
Someone had asked whether the bike can be adjusted to lower speeds in the United States, for people who don't want the Class 3 28mph performance. The reps from Momentum told me that it is not possible to govern the max support speed nor technically change its class system from Class 1 (20mph pedal assist) to Class 3 (28mph(45kph) pedal assist). However, in the Ride Control smartphone app, users can de-tune the support percentage level for each assist to essentially slow themselves down with motor support. My own experience is that it takes extra effort to exceed 20mph anyway, so people who are concerned about speed can just use lower assistance or pedal less hard ;)
Nice.... ☺️👍👌
I bought two of these bikes for my family and while they are fun, they are poorly made and have had alot of problems for us. In the first 100mi the kickstands fell off, the front basket fell off, and a crank fell off (all while riding with kid passengers). The dropper sticks making it not a dropper, and the visco-set has developed severe speed wobble at anything over 10mph. I bought these bikes with the intent of accessorizing them with with the plethora of accessories Momentum has advertised, but none of them are in stock. Momentum hasnt been very useful either, basically saying its up to me and whatever bike shop I take it to to figure it out. When I wrote a critical review on their site they scrubbed it and refuse to repost it. I'm regretting having bought these at this point, but have missed my return window. I just thought this info might be useful for prospective buyers.
Great insight. Looks like a no go in my books. Any company that hides from criticism is not worth their salt.
Thanks
Those sound like assembly issues. Maybe things not being torqued to spec or missing loctite. What’d your local shop say?
@@lastemperor12 agree, I would blame the shop who assembled it before than the manufacturer
I’ve had nothing but trouble with the auxiliary battery, I think we might be on the 4th or 5th battery Momentum has sent to the shop, my shop can’t get them to work, and am getting no help from Momentum. Very flustered here.
Im glad I saw EBR's review and read the comments, I had narrowed my review dissision to Onyx CTY2 mostly because of the power train has three modes like up to 20 then up to 32 then dont let the cops see you doing 48 mph untill I just saw this one.That cargo theme is perfect for having fun and going to market, put a jacket, tools and even a pet carrier up front I'm thinking but when EBR said 250 watt motor, $6.5K with extra battery not in parrellel etc., I thought contact the company to see about the cost of a beefyer motor? Reading yous guys comments about lame support compared to good support and only $3.5K I'm back to Onyx being my top pick now plus adding racks or saddle bags etc, Thank you people, still like that cargo set up for looks and practicality though.
Dropper seat posts are super nice for City bikes. I'm so glad to see a manufacturer make one standard. Not having to fully dismount at a light, but being able to get full in the extension when you're going is awesome.
Another well thought out and thorough review. Love the beautiful trail there and that nature sound at end is so soothing.
I really appreciate the encouragement! This is a wonderful ebike, it was exciting to see the custom features and smart design. I tried to make my intro and outro peaceful and simple, recently introduced a darker color vs bright white. Glad you noticed the nature music!
This looks like the perfect bike for a backwoods hike and picnic. Thank you for the review
You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed the review. That hike picnic adventure you described sounds like a lot of fun. I was really impressed with the stability of the bike and comfort even on gravel, so the picnic possibilities are pretty awesome :D
What an awesome bike. You do really good reviews and know your stuff. Thanks.
This fellows reviews are top shelf knowledgeable, thorough, and honest.
that locking box is game changing more cargo bikes like this please!!
Yeah, I totally agree. I love that it hides your stuff, sits inline with the frame, and is keyed to match the battery. Very cool, very custom.
Wow that bike is a beast Court!!
I see these bikes as an alternative to E-Cars
Great bike for shopping etc
As always you do the best reviews 👍
Really thorough review - nicely done! Would love to ride one of these. 28 MPH would be awesome as a commuter bike.
Thanks Courtney, we have the same name! Yeah, o do my best to be thorough and provide an objective look at the different bikes. This one was especially unique!
Those are some monster brakes! Awesome cargo ebike. Expensive, but it seems to give you a lot of features for the price.
I agree, the brakes are really unique. I’ve seen 203mm diameter, but the extra thickness and increased hydraulic fluid is something else :)
5.5? Wow!
Yeah, definitely more towards top of the line. It’s nice that there are several cheaper options available now as well. Most use hub motors and have some trade offs with frame stiffness etc. but they can still work fairly well :)
Impressive bike, and impressive review, top!!!
Thank you Hanri! I’m doing my best ;)
I like the Dark Mode intro and outro.
Hi Jay! So glad that you noticed, you made my day ;)
Damn those pedals lolz, great vid, another one i couldn't justify paying over 5k for but she's a beast
Nice.... I like design n spec performance ☺️👍👌
Love this bike my local bike dealer has one on his sales floor.it’s. Really cool bike😎🚲🇨🇦
Really like the bike, can you find out, if this will come to the european market as the speed-version?
Love your stuff!
I’ve owned the bike for a year and the bike has been fantastic. In my view the flaws are: the kickstand gets gunk in it which can prevent it from opening all the way (forcing me to devise a cover for it), there is no tent like cover option like Yuba, the app doesn’t connect reliably, and I need two hands on the handlebars for it feel stable. I’m very happy with the bike otherwise.
Thanks EBR for the excellent review
can you review the Gosen/Gesheng Q7?
New to electric bikes. Would it be possible to rotate batteries in order to prevent the 1st battery from wearing out? Thanks
Cool Bike
Is it possible to unlock the 28mph for Canada?
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Where can I purchase a battery charger for this bike (momentum payYak e. bike
Do you know of any other cargo bikes that are class 3?
Fabulous review of a fabulous bike. I wish I could afford it!
Thanks! I’m glad you enjoyed it. Yes, this is a pretty fancy one… I’m glad there are several more affordable cargo bike options on the market now. This is kind of “top of the line” in my opinion.
Great review . Any IP water proof rating on this model?
Good question, they said it’s IPX6 rated. I try to include these details back on the site in the details section, but sometimes forget to mention during the video.
Maybe a good competitor for the GSD? I'd love to see a belt drive option, too.
Belt would be awesome! I wonder if there is such a belt for a long chainstay
It looks like competition for the Benno Boost to me. I’ve ridden both the GSD and the Boost and I have to admit the Boost on those 24 inch tires is a lot nicer ride than the GSD.
I tried this bike yesterday at Spokes Etc in Alexandria VA… bruh this bike is a beast even at 80 pounds the price though it’s too much maybe if it was at 3000$ I would go for it since I already have a Vado
Keep IT coming
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I really want to say that 5.5k is too high for this bike. Considering all the little specific touches they put on it, the overall quality and its standard equipment package compared to some much more expensive bikes in this class i just cant really get to put off by the price. I mean of course this can only really appeal to two types of people at this price point, people who have this kind of money and just want this bike, or people who are fairly well dedicated cycle only people who dont mind spending mid range used care money on a bike that only has a year or two max of warranty coverage unless they spend more money for the extended warranty. And of course they will probably want to insure it.
I guess the only thing i can really complain about is the 1k tag on the additional battery.
Especially since they are bespoke and not even interchagable, nor are they comparably high capacity for the price. I guess my other complaints would be a fairly low motor power for that price and absolutely no warranty friendly way to put a throttle on it. I really hate the euro compliance that the big companies are forcing on the us market in terms of performance and throttles.
I understand the economy of scale here but i wont buy a bike without throttle. It makes no sense. Especially for something that migh be used out on trails where you might not have cell signal and could be injured past your capacity to pedal an already much heavier than usual bike that you arent probably used to pedalling the full weight of. A broken leg or ankle or snake bite or even just being low on blood sugar and not having any snacks could be something that having a throttle, even a limited one would allow you to self rescue in many cases and in many of those cases self rescue is your only rescue. Heavy ebikes should have throttles period, especially ones for off road use, give them a lock out or way to remove the actuator and store it on the bike so it can be implemented in cases where its needed and nothing else will do.
Overall this is a really impressive bike tho.
Does the charger fit in the bike storage box for transport?
Phew....such a beauty.....but I'd rather get two Rad Runner Plus each with an extra battery. No where nears as polished or feature-rich as this Pakyak but certainly a better "ROI" for a utility bike.... and almost enough left over to buy a Rad Mission.
I'm just now looking at Ebikes. Can you use it just for peddling? Or do you have to use the power?
Ya need two bikes, one to pedal and one for electric assist, I have both
Great $2500 bike! You can buy a small motorcycle and an electric bike for the price of one of these.
Cool but no front shocks is a deal breaker..great size tires tho.
5.6 k a pop? come on!
I think your better to always use one battery in particular, as you then end up when your first battery is finally worn out , you have saved the second one largely, I use the one for all the journeys, nipping to the shop or what ever always only wearing out mostly one , it mite be weeks before I use the othe one at all ,there kinda expensive , looks like your pedal misses the charge point.
I think i get your argument but the dogshit formatting makes it a pain in the ass. Using two batteries will drain each one less meaning a lower chemical wear. Pulling one battery down to 50% is generally worse than pulling 2 batteries to 25%. This company's battery is quite expensive like you said, especially for a 500 watthour pack. Several companies offer more capacity for less cost.
@@jayw900 I go by the proof of the pudding, and am still using a battery from 2015 , so it for sure works .
Its a moot argument. And its wrong the reason it seems correct to the maker of the argument is that they have good batteries that havent degraded much yet, and probably because they dont use them heavily.
Batteries are high cost consumable parts. They are disposable items.
They expire whether or not they are used, ebike batteries spoil.
Not like at a certain date or anything but their performance degrades over time in percentages, and then eventually, very eventually they will essientially become nearly useless, useless or totally unsuable, or even become hazardous to use or keep. This is on the scale of a decade or so, and most people will get rid of their batteries or the devices that use them long before this happens.
It happens more slowly with no or less use, depending on how the battery is stored of course, but it will eveutally degrade.
Regular use is a different case though.
A ride that would use 50% of a single battery's range damages that battery more than it would damage either of a dual battery system in which it used 25% of each battery.
Two clocks are always ticking on each battery. Its over all lifetime and how hard it is used.
Assuming both batteries are made at or near the same time, holding one in reserve actually reduces its overall life span since the overall life span clock is ticking that entire time its being held then, once its being used, its going to be used harder than it would than if it was used concurrently with the "main" battery.
Example.
Two batteries are made in the same month, or even lets say year.
Even though you may not have bought them at the same time, its irellevant because while they are a spoiling product, they have a long shelf life. Kinda like canned goods.
Even if you buy it a year later, it might well be the battery that came off the line right after the one that came with your bike. But lets say that you buy them at the same time, you store one at like 80% like the prevailing wisdom dictates and use the other as your primary, the OAL is still ticking away on the stored one. Its not being preserved. You are then burdening the primary battery with all the use load you subject it too, even while its base overall clock is ticking. Then after it reaches the point that its really annoyingly degraded, you switch to the stored battery, and now its subjected to ALL the use load that you use it for.
Given that cycling and depth of discharge of those cycles is the primary determinant of the practical lifespan of regularly used batteries, ignoring the conditions in which they are used and stored, or presuming perfect practices adherences, using two batteries that are yoked through a smart external bms such as are on higher end ebikes, each battery for an otherwise identical use case and conditions of storage will result in a longer lifespan for both batteries. This is because again, the lifespan of batteries isnt static, it begins once they are made not when you buy them or start using them.
Additionally, lithium batteries will actually last longer in an overall lifespan if they are NOT left on the shelf and are used regularly and moderately. They like to be kept in a certain percentage of their max rated capacity. Not too far above or below a certain value for too long. While cycling them too much over or above that "damages" them, or reduces the overall lifespan, this is based on pretty specific lab conditions and becomes pretty arbitrary because use cases and conditions vary widely between users. It becomes more of a general guideline, because you are not likely going to get exactly the rated cycles or lifespan because those numbers were generated with very specific conditions. It does make a pretty big difference though.
Example and im using completely arbitrary values and units here based on a arbitrary model use case.
If you have a primary battery that given your overall use case will experience a lifespan of say 500 cycles which may be as much as 90% of the max rating, and your typical use results in
.25 or 25% cycles you will get somewhere between 1600 and 1800 cycles of charge for that battery subjectively since batteries are rated in cycles in the lab based on how many full cycles the battery can go through before experiencing degredation that noticeably effects utility for the end user based on full cycle range in which the battery's internal bms on an external bms will shut the system off or reject the battery.
So theres an important factor, the terms manfctrs use and how consumers interpret those terms. Your idea of a cycle may be far smaller than what they think of as a cycle.
For that same use case, having a dual battery yoked system would result in a .125or 12.5% discharge of either batteries. In this case we can also define this percentage as either the percentage of discharge from "full", or from a best practices "full" of a less than fully charged state that preserves overall life of the battery. Makers tend to measure capacity in watthours and users in miles or distance. Either way its about the same experientially. Miles for a given load can be mathed into watthours. But this would give you a subjective user cycle count of 3200 to 3600 cycles, and in actual use, probably even more than that since thats not likely to occur over a period of time less than the battery would be able to be fully cycled by most users to actually approach the rated use cycles. So using dual yoked batteries would result in 2x the lifespan over using them singly. It would likely last even longer than that because those lifespan ratings are given in terms of percentages of deviation of the battery to be charged to its full design capacity. This means that is occurs on a spectrum its not like one day the battery just doesnt work after being perfect the day before.
In moderate use cases, a user might go quite sometime before they notice and degredation that effects their range becsuse they simply dont ever use the range potential their battery has lost.
What does all this mean? well dual using your batteries is probably the best practice. Given the rate of obsolescence of batteries in the ebike world, and the cost, you can deffinitely save money by say 30ish % before a particular battery is not available any more or on rebuilding costs.
Additionally legacy battery formats are often not made new but were made in batches over the production span of that fornat and left on a shelf, spoiling. Buying a "new" battery may be hard or impossible unless you are using a currently propular format ir buying from a builder using actual new cells. thats likely to be be expensive.
Using those batteries in a way that can give them up to twice the life span is a good idea. it gives you longer life on each battery and still allows you to get twice the range between charges when you do need to go a long way.
Additionally, having dual yoked batteries is a good idea for daily use because it reduces the damage that can be done by temperature if you ride in high or low temps. By cycling between batteries you reduce the voltage drop that you would suffer in your off battery if were just using a spare battery not yoked in cold weather. in hot weather it reduces the rate of range reduction by allowing each battery a cool off period betweem cycles as higher temperature faster discharge rate. Yoking is good.
This bike is £5500 in the UK, the fact that they cannot supply a decent set of metal platform pedals is a disgrace
Well heres the thing, its actually more interesting that it has pedals at all because after about 5k many bikes dont even come with pedals at all since many people who spend that much on a bike actually have a favorite pedal or even a custom pedal they want to use and if the bike comes with pedals they will either not be used or installed or have to be uninstalled so they can put theirs on. With ebikes this still applies to some extent. Those who are gonna supply their own pedals dont want to spend more for better pedals they arent going to keep or use and those who dont care... well they dont care. Those who kinda care, well theres not than many of us, yet. But yeah those are some pretty mediocre pedals.
Someone please tell the mother to not start off with her bike on the kickstand, lol.
As someone with a 50lb ebike and a 28 lb traditional bike, the 50lb eBike feels really heavy and is a bit of a pain to mount on my car rack. I would not even consider an 84 lb bike as handsome as this one is.
Yeah, I think it can be difficult to mount some electric cargo bikes to car racks due to the longer wheelbase. I included this stat in my writer review so people could measure. The higher weight can be difficult to lift and may even exceed some racks.
It’s a “cargo” bike…not “designed” for easy mounting on a bike rack.
Oh! Crap!
I pronounce it as Padi-ak
That works!
junk for wayyyyy too much money
Far too heavy. 🐮 Far too expensive 💰 ( I could buy a used Tesla for $5500 USD! 🙈
Or two used Chevy Bolts! 🤣
Or one Yamaha piano!
A used Tesla? I'd Ike wherever you're smoking. Throw in $10k for out of warranty Tesla battery repairs