I was about to say, convenient Cowherd didn't utter a peep about the offensive line -- which accounts for a lot of the problems we've had on offense. Yeah, some of this Geno owns -- world-class between the 20s, falls apart inside the red zone. Some of this Ryan Grubb owns -- he eschews the run game and won't take advantage of play action. No imaginative play calls in the red zone. BUT....how much of _that_ is a lack of confidence in our offensive line to open holes for RBs and hold up in pass pro? We'd find out in short order if Schneider for once in his life would invest in an O line, at least at the Guard spots and maybe Center -- and collect more DEPTH at all five positions. Until that happens we won't know whether Geno has just regressed or the OC might have to be cycled for someone who can do more with the skill players we've got. It ALL. BEGINS. in the TRENCHES.
no kidding. I was just about to say the glaringly obvious problem with Seattle. You can have a mediocre QB with a good O-line. You can have a top tier QB with a mediocre O-line. You can not have a mediocre QB with a bad O-line
@@briane173 Last year Geno had a league worst completion percentage in the redzone among starting QB's at a terrible 43%, this year he's no better with 49% and leading the league in redzone INT's. That's back to back years being one of the worst redzone QB's in the NFL with 2 different HC's, 2 different OC's, 2 different O-line coaches, and 2 different O-lines. It's not coaching, it's not play calling, it's not the O-line, it's Geno.
@kerbyzhao Eh... they're hit and miss by game. I agree that they're better, but they're still not good. Switching from awful to serviceable and back on a week-to-week basis is not "much better" enough.
Yes, Geno has made some confusing decisions at times, but take a detailed look at his stats, pretty good given no blocking for run or pass. I suppose you think it's time to move on from K9 as well.
Disagree. Geno is who he is. He isnt and has never been a top tier QB. If you have a bad O line the only thing that will mitigate it is a top tier QB. There are like 5 of those in the world. A good O line is critical in the NFL. Ours has been subpar ever since we traded Max Unger and ever since it has haunted us
@@RussDaChampno he doesn't "holding onto the ball too long" is probably the same amount of time that Jared Goff holds onto the ball. Because he's got a WAY BETTER offensive line that allows him to hold onto the ball for a while. Get your facts straight bud.
I was NEVER a Geno fan. Never. When he was the backup he lost 2 of 3 FOR ALL THE SAME REASONS people are FINALLY now complaining about - all things I pointed out when he was the backup. 1. Stupid TOs. 2. Afraid of contact. 3. Gets frustrated/pouty. 4. False bravado: His "confidence" is actually insecurity. 5. His great play his first season starting? A mirage. I track QBs weekly. He had a red hot start that season, so hot it completely hid that the last half of the season was strictly pedestrian. I PREDICTED his very average play these last two seasons. Most people still think of him in terms of that one half season. Bench him, give Howell a chance to grow a little in this last game.
Colin is a Geno hater , Geno has his faults but he’s been asked to do more then any other qb this year besides maybe Joe burrow ,we can win 11-12 games with Geno just need to do a better job supporting him with a oline and run game
2024 Bengals- Bad defense + Bad OLine + 46% 3D conversion rate + no run game = potential 9-8 season 2023 Seahawks - Bad defense + Bad OLine + 36% 3D conversion rate + no run game = 9-8 season Moral of the story it doesn’t matter how great a qb back is this will always be the result when the team around you is this bad. Regardless of Burrows 42 TD - 8 INT they are still in the same situation the Seahawks with same record praise Burrow and Trash Geno. Geno haters always blame Geno but never assess the infrastructure around him. If Genos gone get ready for dark times in Seattle
Sorry dude, die hard Seahawks fan here and no one I know defends Ge-No. He is average AT BEST. And no he's not even a good person, just look up his arrest by the Bellevue and Issaquah police department for driving hammered at nearly 100 miles an hour then getting arrested for resisting arrest and slandering the police, all which was swept under the carpet. Or look up the real reason his Jet teammate punched him out, what a piece of work. That said, they guy makes a stupid mistake very game that cots us and while the offensive line is brutal Ge-No is not the answer, no way, no how. Time to move on.
On my opinion, Geno struggles when the expectations get bigger. It's no coincidence he's gone down every year he's started with the Hawks. He went from 30 touchdowns and 9 interceptions 3 years ago, to 17 touchdowns and 15 interceptions. The online has always been garbage. Great person, just not that guy
The problem is not Geno, the problem is the OC. The play calling is atrocious. The OC is not putting the O-Line and Geno in a position to be successful. Too much shot-gun, too much zone blocking, not enough running, not enough smash mouth, not enough under center, not enough play action.
our O-line gets zero push. every time we are on goal line or it is 4th and 1, I just want us to punt or kick the field goal. Grubb isn't great, but our O-line is inept. Just running the ball is not the answer.
@divorcing_dads and this why we are losing recipes and divorcing dads geno has at least TAKEN a team to the playoffs. congrats to sam for doing so this year; though he was this "big thick kid who is a stud" that colin overglazed early on. so im cool if you wanna put darnold over geno, but he has to WIN ONE 1st
Geno is a solid QB. I don’t think a new QB would matter if Seattle doesn’t do something about this offensive line. Our o line can’t protect our QB and they also can’t run block.
We haven’t had a good O Line in years but Geno makes bad decisions that elite QB’s don’t make. I love him and his story but we need to work on the line and find a new QB.
Geno is trash! His play has cost Seattle 5 games this year. He will make 2-5 really good to great throws a game that make you go wow. Then he'll make 2-5 horrible throws a game that will either make the game closer than it needs to be or outright cost you the game. He was nothing more than a bridge QB.
@fin3sS3e NYG, LAR, SF, Det, & Minn are all games that Geno was horrible and gave Seattle 0 chance to win in. Yes, Grubb is not a good OC, but a competent QB wins you at least 2 of those games I mentioned above. Those 2 Ws put Seattle at 11-5 going into next week vs. 9-7 and eliminated. Only people who don't know ball are still defending Geno at this point. Seattle would literally have the division won had Geno not thrown a 100-yard pick 6 against the Rams last month. That 1 play by Geno cost Seattle their entire season. He's below avg at best.
@@tommyjames2448 Boy you Geno Haters are just easy work. Where should I start… NYG - 23-20 Defense gets a stop coming out of 2 minute warning. Geno drives down close to the red zone, throws right to JSNs hands but he drops football. Jason Myers comes to kick to try and tie game but gets blocked for TD. How is Geno to blame for this lose? LAR- 20-13 Despite throwing 3 ints yes one pick six but Geno is the reason we go it to overtime 20-20 with a clutch dot to JSN and we win that game if it wasn’t for Grubbs play calling to run on 4 & 1 instead of throwing. How is Geno to blame for this loss? SF- 49ers had over 200 yards on the ground w/ Purdy almost throwing for 300 yards. Geno int comes off of lazy route ran by DK and DK TD gets called back due to penalty. Despite all that BS & sloppiness Seattle cuts lead 29-24 and opportunity to get ball back if defense makes stop. You know what happens? Defense once again gets gashed in the fucking run that seals it. How is Geno to blame for this loss? DET- Are you fucking serious??? Geno had his best game of the season and you’re blaming him for this loss? Goff has no incompletions, no pressure, and all day in the pocket. How was this loss on Geno? Minn- Geno drives team down to take the lead 24-20. Byron Murphy gets called for facemask that would have sealed game with sack but because of this one play later it’s 27-24. Offense comes out Geno throws to DK put gets picked because once again DK runs another lazy route & seals the game. The only common denominator from all these losses is the we were in position to win the game but the reason we lost has nothing to do with Geno. Geno gives this team the best chance to win despite garbage OLine. Putrid play calling from Grubb, and lack of run support. You Geno haters are irrational in your assessment of Geno but gave sorry ass RW way more grace. Ya man you can fuck off
@@clintonalford7357 He only has those yards because he throws the ball 35 times a game, yet he's 29th in TD%, and nearly leads the league in INT's. Yes, he's rapidly declining.....
Geno could be great. The problem is holding onto the ball instead of throwing it out of bounds. This goes hand and hand with him throwing picks in the redzone. He makes the amazing throw then he can do the exact opposite the next play. You could say Geno Smith RZ picks have cost at minimum 22-35 points. Including the Pick Six. I would say a great QB doesnt cost his team that many points. Example, he took a sack in the Vikings game with 1:49 left that took the Hawks out of field goal range. Im not even adding in plays like this into the equation. Just reducing Geno Smiths Mistakes your talking Seahawks have 1-3 more wins this season. Which is the difference between making or missing the playoffs. To me thats not a QB you can win championship level games with. He is a good Journeyman. Above average
I know the OLINE sucks. I've watched every game Geno Smith has played for the Seahawks. Most of the plays where he makes a critical mistake the OLINE isn't that much of a factor. He could have tossed out of bounds. Also you have to realize Geno also knows his OLINE is subpar and still chooses to hold onto that ball
Fan since 76. Geno needs to go. The oline is average. But look, geno lost us 4 games. Especially the rams one 3 INTs. Geno is 34 making rookie mistakes. He needs to go
I’m a season ticket holder. I think Geno is a top 12 QB, but he’s made bad decisions this year and I don’t think top 12 is good enough to win a SB when you probably have to pay him $45 million/yr.
Seahawks need a change they started with the coaching staff now it's time for personnel I said from the start of this season the players are playing this year for roster spots next year, I predict alot of changes this coming off season let's hope the royal we sees the light 😅 go hawks!
We need o-line, o-line, linebacker, o-line then QB. Geno is probably 12-15th best QB in league right now. Our o.c. is new to pro ball. He needs to tell Schneider to draft o-line and lb this draft.
Yup I would have to totally agree. If we just had a SOMEWHAT competent o line, we would be easily making the playoffs this year but because dum ass Schneider thinks offensive guards are "over drafted" and "over paid" we missed oout on the playoffs 🤦
Yup totally agree. He has been for this whole time and he's one of the sports media people I hate the most because he always says the stupidest shit about Seattle and Geno in particular. Can't stand the dip shit.
I like Geno and I think he has done what he was brought into Seattle to do. However, Seattle is never going to win a Super Bowl with Geno. I wish Geno success in the future but I'd rather it be somewhere else.
You know who else was 17/23 in passing on Sunday? Drew Lock, except that he threw for 309 yards, 4 TD's, and 0 picks. He was never given an actual chance in Seattle.
Drew Lock was bad all season until that game. Stop it!!! Geno Smith is a very good quarterback. The man needs an offensive line that can keep him upright.
@clintonalford7357 he played 7 games this season, but was the starter in only 4 of them. A guy that has had little playing time over 4 years shouldn't be expected right away to play as well as a starting quarterback that plays every week.
Geno has regressed significantly as the year has gone on . We were behind him we like his story but his turnovers has lost us. Seahawks might win 10 games and we do believe a more dynamic QB could result is a net 2 game win so I’m a believe in Colin’s win total.
I'm continually at a loss to understand how the coaching or O line is letting Geno down? Consistent, dependable bouts of schizophrenia in the red zone is NOT the fault of the coaching, O line, or the receivers -- that's all on Geno Smith. I guess the fans of Seattle have to decide if they want a noble, character QB who is truly a gentleman, who throws killer interceptions when it matters most; or do they want to win football games and go to the playoffs?... I made my decision long ago when I said we should have kept Drew Locke and traded Geno.
If you want to see what a great offensive line does for you, look no further than Minnesota, I haven't heard enough about how awesome they are. He stands in a perfect pocket for 3-5 seconds. If Geno had that line our Hawks would be 15-2. It is so elemental. It defies sense that JS doesn't vehementally build our Oline.
I love Geno and he has played well for us since stepping in. I think we should keep Geno but definitely look for another quarterback and make Geno compete for his job.
@@thrillhouse4784 yeah I can agree with that QB's the most important individual player on the field but OL's the most important WHOLE position group and most of the top teams in the NFL will show you that you need a good one to be a great team along with a at least decent QB depending on the quality of the offensive line
I’ve said the Seahawks need to move on from Geno for a while now. I was called a racist and told that I don’t understand football. I’m so happy that people are finally starting to wake up about him. I think geno needs to not play another snap for the Seahawks. Let Howell have a shot and draft a qb this draft or trade for one in the offseason. This Seahawks team isn’t far off. Geno needs to go. Use that money to invest in the OLine. Every season we just barely miss the playoffs or worse, make the playoffs and get bounced out of the first round is another wasted year of DK and JSN.
Get him out of Seattle. I’m tired of this team man. Geno is trash. Arguing with fans in the stands. Throwing his helmet. I’m tired of seeing this cry baby as our leader. Yeah o line is bad. But our qb can’t score in the redzone. Hasn’t done it once on the first drive this year. 🗑️🗑️🗑️🗑️🗑️🗑️
Whether Geno’s the problem or not, you have to draft young QB talent after getting all of those draft picks for the Russ trade. 3 years later we are mid with an above average QB. He’s a bridge. We should have moved up and got a Bo Nix, Penix, or anyone young with high potential. Geno will be Geno forever. He makes bad decisions in key moments. Draft a young QB! We are tired of Geno. Simple of that
Been saying all that for that last month and a half. Cant have a 1 dimensional QB with one of the worst o lines in the NFL. You need a qb with perk points spread out, hes maxed out in accuracy and negative in speed, stamina, pocket awareness, panic, and dexterity. He crumbles, fumbles or throws an INT whenever its on the line or whenever you need to start building momentum. He’s the reason we’re a .500 team sure, for good and bad. He got us there and he wont take Seattle any further
Geno is good enough to take the Hawks to the superbowl with all our weapons. Geno is not the issue. We got the worst Oline that needs upgrade. Left and Right tackles are good, Right guard is good. Need a solid center and Left Guard.
Nah man, against mediocre or poor teams geno balls out but against playoff caliber teams he chokes consistently. He'd be lucky if he ever gets a playoff win in his career let alone get all the way to a super bowl lol. He has very low iq
One problem, for whom? Unless the Vikings are insane and let Darnold walk, there's no worthwhile free agent QBs and the draft looks weak. Sorry folks, the Hawks are stuck with Geno for another year, so get the OL interior sorted, get the running game going and ring the best out of Geno for another year.
John Schneider needs to go, all he's done is not fix the offense line and bring in backups at qb. Claims to regret not drafting more QB's the goes out and doesn't draft a qb, sorry geno is getting older and not better, time to move on.
geno make our o line look better than what it is but ion like why they say his fault. get him sum ppl to block for him and watch how much better he would be.
I think Geno doesn't have time because of the offensive line plus the NFL has a strong emphasis on pass rush. The line also effects the ability to run the ball which messes with the play action pass. I think Seattle is close and needs a couple more pieces on the o line. I noticed in the last few games they are keeping people in to help pass block. They need to have a replacement on the sidelines for Geno but who the heck is available? Also they are in need of a third good reciever and a couple good tight ends.- Thats my two cents worth.
The obvious point not mentioned by Colin is how bad Seahawks OL is, bottom 5 if not bottom 3 on league. Hard for me to day Geno isn't the qb with such a bad OL, same OL that made Russ look done. Look at Russ at Pittsburgh now, though not great definitely a C+ to B- grade. Now if Geno isn't better with a more decent OL then I'd say time to move on. I expect the GM to make the move to improve OL this off-season. That being said... I don't see a qb change unless a better qb comes available to team.
He don’t say nothing about how awful the Oline is. However, Geno starts good on the season then suddenly he gets tunnel vision and picks a favorite receiver who he will try to force the ball to over and over. This season it’s Jackson Smith-Njigba. He’s a great receiver but you gotta spread the ball around. Geno seems like he got worse over the last 3 years. I’m ready for something new but I also realize it can and probably will get even worse with someone new until that QB grows. Assuming a new QB is young. This feels like a situation of being stuck right now.
The Oline and John Schnitzel has done a historically awful job of drafting and developing an Oline. It ain’t Geno folks, or rather how could we even know with that group of oatmeal piles in our interior
Stop blaming the o line. We have great guards. Yea lukas probably came back too early. The center is trash but their young learn a whole new offense. They didn't threw it to the other team in the end zone. Or fail to stick to the run game. Geno has poor management outside of the last 2min of a drive. We were close to dead last in the league on the first drive. That's scripted for Geno and he stumbled. With insane talent at wide receiver. It's insane how big of a step back this offense took. Get it's a new offense but it's a offense that fits Geno and he just isn't showing up.
Seattle's oline is ranked worse and how many of those INTs are Genos fault? 4 tipped passes that lead to INTs, DK running the route wrong twice that lead to 2 INTs, tipped passes from JSN that became an INT and then about 3 or 4 INTs caused from Geno being hit while throwing. It has nothing to do with decision making when Geno has been doing things right. Thats like 10 or 11 INTs that weren't even his fault so blaming him for that would be stupid. Also a couple dropped TD passes too that would've given him more
Seattle's oline is ranked worse and how many of those INTs are Genos fault? 4 tipped passes that lead to INTs, DK running the route wrong twice that lead to 2 INTs, tipped passes from JSN that became an INT and then about 3 or 4 INTs caused from Geno being hit while throwing. It has nothing to do with decision making when Geno has been doing things right. Thats like 10 or 11 INTs that weren't even his fault so blaming him for that would be stupid. Also a couple dropped TD passes too that would've given him more
instead of getting M.Pennix they get sam howell .. hey seahawks enough of the redemption stories. your starting to look like the mariners who cant finish even when there 10 games up!
People from Seattle like me are tired of Geno, the tides have turned. We HAVE to draft a QB. Geno plays scared and his INT's show that, I think 6 were in the red zone. He doesn't think in critical situations. I'm a season tix holder and have watched every snap.
Why can't geno go back to playing under center. Makes it easier on the o line and he excels there. Play action bootlegs to get him out of the pocket and throwing to two te sets are what he needs but grubb wants him to sit in shotgun and stare down field like a deer in headlights. Grubb needs to scheme around helping geno and the o line, he's not penix who had the best offensive line
Geno is not the issue yes he makes mistakes, but my God the line is horrible the CB play is terrible thank god for the safeties. Plus we don’t run the ball! Geno ain’t the issue trust!
Nice video. A lot of interesting takes and I could see both arguments. Mine is two-fold. 1. Yes , Seattle needs to plan for the future by drafting or trade etc .. for a QB. 2. Geno isn't as bad as some let on, he gets put in a lot of horrible situations without the threat of a run game and he panics. At least Russell Wilson would throw it away 5 times in a row, Carroll taught him about turnovers and field position. 3. The difference in physical measurements once a offensive lineman gets to the NFL are minimal, they're all big , strong and fast. My theory is the coaching isn't happening and or scheme. Grubb needs to realize he's not playing the WSU Cougars anymore and adjust. I see them giving him at least another season to figure it out. Maybe that's 3 or 4 points 😂
All this hate on Geno when he had a line early this year we were 3-0...people forget that injuries happen we just need to draft more on that Offensive line and the Manage staff needs to stop playing before we get bought out like the freaking supersonics....aw grief
only reason they were 3 and 0 was because they played 2 backup QBs (tua got injured) and Bo Nix in his first career game. Geno only has 5 legimate wins this season (and if you take out the 2 arizona wins, that drops to 3... because kylar aint that good either), any time he faces quality QBs he gets smacked.
@EvanJohnson-j6rDarnold has Jefferson. Burrow has two in Chase and Higgins. Goff is loaded with them. I can go on and on. JSN is nice and upcoming but he’s not a true #1 yet. And DK has the size speed and talent but has never turned into AJ Brown or Justin Jefferson.
Geno has flashes of greatness, but he's really inconsistent. But even with those flashes, he can't finish games. Either way, he's the leader of the team. If they lose, it falls on his shoulders. And for what he's being paid, he should be winning more. If the defense gives you opportunities to win, then we should be winning big games. The rams do, we don't. Bottom line, if we want to win, our salary cap is too high to get the right players. It NEEDS to come down. Cutting geno will give us 25 mil on top of the 7 we have. Sign fields for cheap, or draft a qb next year, use the cap to buy an Oline and keep your defensive starters. That way, whoever starts at qb will actually have a better chance of winning.
Seattle had a chance to have 12 or more wins. They chocked the Giants and Rams game and then DK ruined the Vikings game. All of those were very winnable games. Bad oline and injuries made it worse for us too
So the truth of the matter is Geno, on his current contract, is borderline top 12 guy, and those who say he is trash are wrong, and those who say he is an MVP candidate are also wrong. Colin just hates him because he associates him with his time in New York. The O-line is trash, the game was played mostly in pouring rain, and DK did not run the route well on the interception at the end of the game too. With that said, it was a terrible offensive game and Geno did not help it like a Mahomes, Allen, Burrow or Jackson would have done. Geno has some great comebacks, but also dumb plays too. They are not paying him like a top QB, and they are pretty much getting that. Can you win with him, I would say yes because the evidence seems to bear that out, but do you win the whole thing if you pay him top dollar, not sure that will happen as the O-line being bad seems to affect him greatly. Those are my thoughts on the matter.
I can't even think of 11 QBs thatvI would take over Geno. Dudes a proven top starting even with no oline and bad play calling. Give this man some fucking help or send him to a good team that will
@realmadzero well let's see for this year who you could put above him and who is kind of in that same tier. My general rule is would you trade Geno for that player straight up and feel good about it or pretty neutral. I am guessing Mahomes, Allen, Jackson and Burrow are easily in the feels good category. I would add in Stroud and Daniels for sure because rookie deals. Stafford should probably be in the feels good, but he is older and more expensive so we make that an okay. For swinging for a QB with high upside you have Caleb, who I would like the money side of things, but we will see if that turns out. You also have the resurgence of Baker and Darnold who both would be kind of lateral moves from but both are also younger than Geno. Obviously you have to include Goff too because even though I don't love him, he is definitely a top ten guy this year. You also have Love and many would say Justin Herbert too. There is an argument for the other young QBs who have performed well and have team friendly contracts, but I will leave them off because they have yet to prove anything. To be clear I think you can win with Geno, I just think the he is the greatest or worst narratives need to stop. And when looking at the contract side of things, if Geno gets 60 million is he good enough to win with less talent around him than he currently has with that increased pricetag?
Dunno what "good enough" is. If you can coach the TOs out of him, he is. Some are really odd and bad and they come at times. He is near the top of the league in big time throws and is way more highly graded than QBs like Nix. Sacks is harder to gauge. The line is bad at pass pro but he is obviously responsible as well. Bottom line, the negative plays undoes a lot the good tape he puts out. He has top 10 "good tape"
Geno is a solid bridge qb, terrible decision-making in the red zone or he could be more, but he is who he is at this point. Do not pay him 40 mill/year, it'd be better to suck with Sam Howell and get a young qb to develop bc this team isn't going anywhere w/Geno at qb obviously. I like Geno though, fun story for a couple of years.
Well a few things…. First off the O Line nuff said. Second Geno is hurt and gutting it out. Third the OC .. not sure if he is an NFL OC.. Grubb still might be.. OL makes it difficult to assess at this point.. Fourth- Not sure whether OC or Geno is viable until the OL is at least passable WITH a consistent run game… Bad take from Collin.
Seattle has a "win now" roster, as a Vikings fan, you guys should trade for our current starting QB, Sam Darnold, just saying... think about it, because JJ McCarthy isn't getting traded. ❤
Silly, a Colin specialty since his show is about hot takes and you're only going to get them right some of the time, especially on the things you know nothing about. Of course the Seahawks are looking at options. Right now, there are none. Geno is not the biggest problem.
Over exaggerated expectations by fans. I’m happy with the team this season. You couldn’t ask for better results from a new HC and coaches. A lot of new this season and it could’ve been worse like the 49ers and cardinals who are so called “ better “ 😂
As a Seahawks fan I would like to move on from Geno but I'm not sure that there will be any options to do that in the next off season. The only potential free agents that are better than Geno those being Sam Darnold or Russell Wilson will probably be retained by their current teams. Mortgaging multiple years of first round draft picks for a top pick is not the John Schneider way and there doesn't look to be any QB's in next year's draft to be worth doing that. So that leaves improving the team around Geno and perhaps finding a more experienced offensive coordinator. How does the next draft look for O-Line prospects?
It almost feels like Colin is intentionally leaving out that the OLine in Seattle is pretty bad
I was about to say, convenient Cowherd didn't utter a peep about the offensive line -- which accounts for a lot of the problems we've had on offense. Yeah, some of this Geno owns -- world-class between the 20s, falls apart inside the red zone. Some of this Ryan Grubb owns -- he eschews the run game and won't take advantage of play action. No imaginative play calls in the red zone. BUT....how much of _that_ is a lack of confidence in our offensive line to open holes for RBs and hold up in pass pro? We'd find out in short order if Schneider for once in his life would invest in an O line, at least at the Guard spots and maybe Center -- and collect more DEPTH at all five positions. Until that happens we won't know whether Geno has just regressed or the OC might have to be cycled for someone who can do more with the skill players we've got. It ALL. BEGINS. in the TRENCHES.
no kidding. I was just about to say the glaringly obvious problem with Seattle. You can have a mediocre QB with a good O-line. You can have a top tier QB with a mediocre O-line. You can not have a mediocre QB with a bad O-line
Bottom 3, imo.
Geno leads the league in red zone interceptions, and he takes sacks when he should just throw the ball away.
@@briane173 Last year Geno had a league worst completion percentage in the redzone among starting QB's at a terrible 43%, this year he's no better with 49% and leading the league in redzone INT's. That's back to back years being one of the worst redzone QB's in the NFL with 2 different HC's, 2 different OC's, 2 different O-line coaches, and 2 different O-lines. It's not coaching, it's not play calling, it's not the O-line, it's Geno.
He said nothing about the O-line
Because the o-line is playing much better.
@@kerbyzhao ha ha 😂 yeah sure and pigs fly too
@kerbyzhao 🤣🤣🤣 how long have you been on drugs
@kerbyzhao Eh... they're hit and miss by game. I agree that they're better, but they're still not good. Switching from awful to serviceable and back on a week-to-week basis is not "much better" enough.
@@kerbyzhao how in any world is it playing "much better"???? 😆😆😆
I personally don’t think the O Line seems that bad, I haven’t ever had the most confidence in Geno Smith. They need to draft a new one.
the oline is trash but geno's decision making is worse.
Yes, Geno has made some confusing decisions at times, but take a detailed look at his stats, pretty good given no blocking for run or pass. I suppose you think it's time to move on from K9 as well.
How? What decisions has he made that are fully to blame on him?
Disagree. Geno is who he is. He isnt and has never been a top tier QB. If you have a bad O line the only thing that will mitigate it is a top tier QB. There are like 5 of those in the world. A good O line is critical in the NFL. Ours has been subpar ever since we traded Max Unger and ever since it has haunted us
I'm no geno or Seattle fan but this is a bad take
Geno is regressing and will not get better, we need the QB of the future before JSN, Witherspoon, Hall, Murphy get old
Geno has one of the worst offensive lines in the league. He still threw for 4,000 yards under duress. Give him an offensive line.
@ No thank you - it’s time to invest in the future - thankful for Geno but he is not a franchise QB
Everyone saying blaming Geno is honestly making me happy because it lowers his value in the open market for when they inevitably resign him.
My husband has been a Seahawks fan for 30 years. He's done with Geno.
Do your husband see the oline
Geno isn't good
@@DRgoated he does but when they're doing their job, he says Geno makes awful decisions. He yells at him during most games. Lol
Haha totally fair!
@@JoyP1998 when has the oline did there job?
If i had to choose between Geno and Grubb, I'm keeping Geno. Grubb has no business in the NFL. Geno is also playing behind a trash oline.
That is not true he holds onto the ball just way too long!
@@RussDaChampbecause he has a trash line !!
Exactly, totally agree
@@RussDaChampno he doesn't "holding onto the ball too long" is probably the same amount of time that Jared Goff holds onto the ball. Because he's got a WAY BETTER offensive line that allows him to hold onto the ball for a while. Get your facts straight bud.
Not me, Grubb calls a Great game... Geno makes bad decisions...
I was NEVER a Geno fan. Never. When he was the backup he lost 2 of 3 FOR ALL THE SAME REASONS people are FINALLY now complaining about - all things I pointed out when he was the backup.
1. Stupid TOs.
2. Afraid of contact.
3. Gets frustrated/pouty.
4. False bravado: His "confidence" is actually insecurity.
5. His great play his first season starting? A mirage. I track QBs weekly. He had a red hot start that season, so hot it completely hid that the last half of the season was strictly pedestrian. I PREDICTED his very average play these last two seasons. Most people still think of him in terms of that one half season.
Bench him, give Howell a chance to grow a little in this last game.
To be clear, I have been saying this SINCE HE WAS THE BACKUP.
Geno Smith should been gone his first season with us😂
Colin is a Geno hater , Geno has his faults but he’s been asked to do more then any other qb this year besides maybe Joe burrow ,we can win 11-12 games with Geno just need to do a better job supporting him with a oline and run game
2024 Bengals- Bad defense + Bad OLine + 46% 3D conversion rate + no run game = potential 9-8 season
2023 Seahawks - Bad defense + Bad OLine + 36% 3D conversion rate + no run game = 9-8 season
Moral of the story it doesn’t matter how great a qb back is this will always be the result when the team around you is this bad.
Regardless of Burrows 42 TD - 8 INT they are still in the same situation the Seahawks with same record praise
Burrow and Trash Geno. Geno haters always blame Geno but never assess the infrastructure around him. If Genos gone get ready for dark times in Seattle
@@fin3sS3eexactly. These fake ass ignorant fans need to go too. I'm so tired of them
Honestly thank you for saying that, I’ve been telling everyone this exact same thing and it’s so facts
@@fin3sS3eYour evaluation of each defense was way off.
Seattle top 10 scoring defense, Bengals bottom 4. That's the difference in wins/losses right there.
Sorry dude, die hard Seahawks fan here and no one I know defends Ge-No. He is average AT BEST. And no he's not even a good person, just look up his arrest by the Bellevue and Issaquah police department for driving hammered at nearly 100 miles an hour then getting arrested for resisting arrest and slandering the police, all which was swept under the carpet. Or look up the real reason his Jet teammate punched him out, what a piece of work. That said, they guy makes a stupid mistake very game that cots us and while the offensive line is brutal Ge-No is not the answer, no way, no how. Time to move on.
Sign Justin Fields...
Plenty of Seahawk fans on Twitter defend Geno. Geno is good.
🤣🤣🤣
On my opinion, Geno struggles when the expectations get bigger. It's no coincidence he's gone down every year he's started with the Hawks. He went from 30 touchdowns and 9 interceptions 3 years ago, to 17 touchdowns and 15 interceptions. The online has always been garbage.
Great person, just not that guy
The problem is not Geno, the problem is the OC. The play calling is atrocious. The OC is not putting the O-Line and Geno in a position to be successful. Too much shot-gun, too much zone blocking, not enough running, not enough smash mouth, not enough under center, not enough play action.
Hiring that OL without NFL experience is the biggest mistake John Schneider made. He should be held accountable for this mistake.
our O-line gets zero push. every time we are on goal line or it is 4th and 1, I just want us to punt or kick the field goal. Grubb isn't great, but our O-line is inept. Just running the ball is not the answer.
100%!
The problem is Geno, open your eyes. He himself lost us 4 games with his dumb áss INTs. Leads league 2 yrs straight in red zone INTs. My gawd, wake up
Need to move on from Geno Smith please,born and raised Marysville Washington 1969
No. Geno has been too good to just let go of
@@realmadzeroHow's that burner account working for you Geno? 😂
colin cant convince me about darnold until he actually WINS a playoff game, until then darnold is on same boat as geno
How many playoff games has GENO WON?
@divorcing_dads and this why we are losing recipes and divorcing dads
geno has at least TAKEN a team to the playoffs. congrats to sam for doing so this year; though he was this "big thick kid who is a stud" that colin overglazed early on. so im cool if you wanna put darnold over geno, but he has to WIN ONE 1st
He hears news from mainstream sports. He knows nothing about the Seahawks. LOL
Exactly
Geno is a solid QB. I don’t think a new QB would matter if Seattle doesn’t do something about this offensive line. Our o line can’t protect our QB and they also can’t run block.
We haven’t had a good O Line in years but Geno makes bad decisions that elite QB’s don’t make. I love him and his story but we need to work on the line and find a new QB.
Fair
Geno sucks and is getting worse. He is right.
Learn football, it's clearly not your thing
@ I will try and study up. Thanks!
Geno is trash! His play has cost Seattle 5 games this year. He will make 2-5 really good to great throws a game that make you go wow. Then he'll make 2-5 horrible throws a game that will either make the game closer than it needs to be or outright cost you the game. He was nothing more than a bridge QB.
Name the 5 games that Geno was the sole reason they lost…. I’ll wait
@fin3sS3e NYG, LAR, SF, Det, & Minn are all games that Geno was horrible and gave Seattle 0 chance to win in. Yes, Grubb is not a good OC, but a competent QB wins you at least 2 of those games I mentioned above. Those 2 Ws put Seattle at 11-5 going into next week vs. 9-7 and eliminated. Only people who don't know ball are still defending Geno at this point. Seattle would literally have the division won had Geno not thrown a 100-yard pick 6 against the Rams last month. That 1 play by Geno cost Seattle their entire season. He's below avg at best.
@@tommyjames2448 Boy you Geno Haters are just easy work. Where should I start…
NYG - 23-20 Defense gets a stop coming out of 2 minute warning. Geno drives down close to the red zone, throws right to JSNs hands but he drops football. Jason Myers comes to kick to try and tie game but gets blocked for TD. How is Geno to blame for this lose?
LAR- 20-13 Despite throwing 3 ints yes one pick six but Geno is the reason we go it to overtime 20-20 with a clutch dot to JSN and we win that game if it wasn’t for Grubbs play calling to run on 4 & 1 instead of throwing. How is Geno to blame for this loss?
SF- 49ers had over 200 yards on the ground w/ Purdy almost throwing for 300 yards. Geno int comes off of lazy route ran by DK and DK TD gets called back due to penalty. Despite all that BS & sloppiness Seattle cuts lead 29-24 and opportunity to get ball back if defense makes stop. You know what happens? Defense once again gets gashed in the fucking run that seals it. How is Geno to blame for this loss?
DET- Are you fucking serious??? Geno had his best game of the season and you’re blaming him for this loss? Goff has no incompletions, no pressure, and all day in the pocket. How was this loss on Geno?
Minn- Geno drives team down to take the lead 24-20. Byron Murphy gets called for facemask that would have sealed game with sack but because of this one play later it’s 27-24. Offense comes out Geno throws to DK put gets picked because once again DK runs another lazy route & seals the game.
The only common denominator from all these losses is the we were in position to win the game but the reason we lost has nothing to do with Geno. Geno gives this team the best chance to win despite garbage OLine. Putrid play calling from Grubb, and lack of run support. You Geno haters are irrational in your assessment of Geno but gave sorry ass RW way more grace. Ya man you can fuck off
@@fin3sS3e Too many games to name, we will never win SB with that 🤡🤡
This is completely false
Give Geno Smith an offensive line.
Seattles has to draft a QB! Sit him behind Geno for at least 1 year. The team is close.
draft o line WAY before drafting a qb
Cam from Miami could be a good choice.
We need to just start shedur sanders
@@TruthfuWords that's literally a downgrade from Geno. You're crazy😂
@@ricardoedmondson5099hell no, I ain’t trading up to 1 for him
The biggest problem for Seahawks is bad OL. Geno has reached his limit and he is declining. It is time to move on.
4,000 yards is declining???
@@clintonalford7357 He only has those yards because he throws the ball 35 times a game, yet he's 29th in TD%, and nearly leads the league in INT's. Yes, he's rapidly declining.....
Geno could be great. The problem is holding onto the ball instead of throwing it out of bounds. This goes hand and hand with him throwing picks in the redzone. He makes the amazing throw then he can do the exact opposite the next play. You could say Geno Smith RZ picks have cost at minimum 22-35 points. Including the Pick Six. I would say a great QB doesnt cost his team that many points. Example, he took a sack in the Vikings game with 1:49 left that took the Hawks out of field goal range. Im not even adding in plays like this into the equation. Just reducing Geno Smiths Mistakes your talking Seahawks have 1-3 more wins this season. Which is the difference between making or missing the playoffs. To me thats not a QB you can win championship level games with. He is a good Journeyman. Above average
I know the OLINE sucks. I've watched every game Geno Smith has played for the Seahawks. Most of the plays where he makes a critical mistake the OLINE isn't that much of a factor. He could have tossed out of bounds. Also you have to realize Geno also knows his OLINE is subpar and still chooses to hold onto that ball
Or chooses to just throw it up on a prayer
Ge-No will NEVER be great, zero chance
In the Rams game alone Geno's redzone INT's lead to a possible 21 point swing, at the very least 13 points.
It would be nice if we could get shedur sanders
It's time to move on. Geno is ok as a Quarterback. Ok is NOT good enough. I can't take another year with him. Period !!
Fan since 76. Geno needs to go. The oline is average. But look, geno lost us 4 games. Especially the rams one 3 INTs. Geno is 34 making rookie mistakes. He needs to go
It’s tricky bc Geno’s been through a massive amount of change, outside the terrible picks he’s had real poise
Same old Geno with the Seahawks is the same geno with the Jets!!!!
I’m a season ticket holder. I think Geno is a top 12 QB, but he’s made bad decisions this year and I don’t think top 12 is good enough to win a SB when you probably have to pay him $45 million/yr.
Seahawks need a change they started with the coaching staff now it's time for personnel I said from the start of this season the players are playing this year for roster spots next year, I predict alot of changes this coming off season let's hope the royal we sees the light 😅 go hawks!
You can’t discount how bad Seattle’s offensive line is.
No matter how bad the O-line is, a good QB wins those games against the Giants and Rams.
He’s just not good enough.
YES Geno needs to go!
We need o-line, o-line, linebacker, o-line then QB. Geno is probably 12-15th best QB in league right now. Our o.c. is new to pro ball. He needs to tell Schneider to draft o-line and lb this draft.
Yup I would have to totally agree. If we just had a SOMEWHAT competent o line, we would be easily making the playoffs this year but because dum ass Schneider thinks offensive guards are "over drafted" and "over paid" we missed oout on the playoffs 🤦
I give Mike Mcdonald a pass. He inherited Gino smith, but if he's here next year, i'm done with this coach.
Colin a Geno smith hater
fax
Seattle hater in general
Yup totally agree. He has been for this whole time and he's one of the sports media people I hate the most because he always says the stupidest shit about Seattle and Geno in particular. Can't stand the dip shit.
He’s not a Seattle hater or Gino Smith hater. Gino Smith just fucking sucks.
I like Geno and I think he has done what he was brought into Seattle to do. However, Seattle is never going to win a Super Bowl with Geno.
I wish Geno success in the future but I'd rather it be somewhere else.
You know who else was 17/23 in passing on Sunday? Drew Lock, except that he threw for 309 yards, 4 TD's, and 0 picks. He was never given an actual chance in Seattle.
Drew Lock was bad all season until that game. Stop it!!! Geno Smith is a very good quarterback. The man needs an offensive line that can keep him upright.
@clintonalford7357 he played 7 games this season, but was the starter in only 4 of them. A guy that has had little playing time over 4 years shouldn't be expected right away to play as well as a starting quarterback that plays every week.
Geno has regressed significantly as the year has gone on . We were behind him we like his story but his turnovers has lost us.
Seahawks might win 10 games and we do believe a more dynamic QB could result is a net 2 game win so I’m a believe in Colin’s win total.
I'm continually at a loss to understand how the coaching or O line is letting Geno down? Consistent, dependable bouts of schizophrenia in the red zone is NOT the fault of the coaching, O line, or the receivers -- that's all on Geno Smith. I guess the fans of Seattle have to decide if they want a noble, character QB who is truly a gentleman, who throws killer interceptions when it matters most; or do they want to win football games and go to the playoffs?... I made my decision long ago when I said we should have kept Drew Locke and traded Geno.
If you want to see what a great offensive line does for you, look no further than Minnesota, I haven't heard enough about how awesome they are. He stands in a perfect pocket for 3-5 seconds. If Geno had that line our Hawks would be 15-2. It is so elemental. It defies sense that JS doesn't vehementally build our Oline.
I love Geno and he has played well for us since stepping in. I think we should keep Geno but definitely look for another quarterback and make Geno compete for his job.
People also don’t realize Seattle has maybe worse o line in league with three rookie starters
@@SM-3196geno ain’t never going have to compete for his job
Yeah we EASILY need a huge overhaul on the interior of the o line WAY before a new QB
@EvanJohnson-j6rpick where it makes sense. Draft the qb you want where you have to. It's the most important player on the field
@@thrillhouse4784 yeah I can agree with that QB's the most important individual player on the field but OL's the most important WHOLE position group and most of the top teams in the NFL will show you that you need a good one to be a great team along with a at least decent QB depending on the quality of the offensive line
Philly fans only defend their players when they are winning. One of worst fan bases 😂
Definitely not. Players LOVE Philly. That can’t even be argued against.
Facts I watched Philly fans at the games openly dis Jalen Hurts it’s only when they’re winning they love everybody
@@amadizyair3441y’all are slow af. People on all fan bases do that, just more obvious with Philly because everyone cares about it lol
Wentz loyalists started that mess because they act like it’s Hurts fault wentz was a failure…everybody else’s fault but wentz himself
I’ve said the Seahawks need to move on from Geno for a while now. I was called a racist and told that I don’t understand football. I’m so happy that people are finally starting to wake up about him. I think geno needs to not play another snap for the Seahawks. Let Howell have a shot and draft a qb this draft or trade for one in the offseason.
This Seahawks team isn’t far off. Geno needs to go. Use that money to invest in the OLine.
Every season we just barely miss the playoffs or worse, make the playoffs and get bounced out of the first round is another wasted year of DK and JSN.
GENO GOTS TO GO
Get him out of Seattle. I’m tired of this team man. Geno is trash. Arguing with fans in the stands. Throwing his helmet. I’m tired of seeing this cry baby as our leader. Yeah o line is bad. But our qb can’t score in the redzone. Hasn’t done it once on the first drive this year. 🗑️🗑️🗑️🗑️🗑️🗑️
Geno is worthless and has zero leadership skills. he will always be considered a second-string QB and needs to be fired
our Offensive line is weak and that is the biggest issue
Whether Geno’s the problem or not, you have to draft young QB talent after getting all of those draft picks for the Russ trade. 3 years later we are mid with an above average QB. He’s a bridge. We should have moved up and got a Bo Nix, Penix, or anyone young with high potential. Geno will be Geno forever. He makes bad decisions in key moments. Draft a young QB! We are tired of Geno. Simple of that
Been saying all that for that last month and a half. Cant have a 1 dimensional QB with one of the worst o lines in the NFL. You need a qb with perk points spread out, hes maxed out in accuracy and negative in speed, stamina, pocket awareness, panic, and dexterity. He crumbles, fumbles or throws an INT whenever its on the line or whenever you need to start building momentum. He’s the reason we’re a .500 team sure, for good and bad. He got us there and he wont take Seattle any further
I like Geno but he has issues, like not seeing wide open receivers.
Geno is good enough to take the Hawks to the superbowl with all our weapons. Geno is not the issue. We got the worst Oline that needs upgrade. Left and Right tackles are good, Right guard is good. Need a solid center and Left Guard.
Nah man, against mediocre or poor teams geno balls out but against playoff caliber teams he chokes consistently. He'd be lucky if he ever gets a playoff win in his career let alone get all the way to a super bowl lol. He has very low iq
One problem, for whom? Unless the Vikings are insane and let Darnold walk, there's no worthwhile free agent QBs and the draft looks weak.
Sorry folks, the Hawks are stuck with Geno for another year, so get the OL interior sorted, get the running game going and ring the best out of Geno for another year.
John Schneider needs to go, all he's done is not fix the offense line and bring in backups at qb. Claims to regret not drafting more QB's the goes out and doesn't draft a qb, sorry geno is getting older and not better, time to move on.
geno make our o line look better than what it is but ion like why they say his fault. get him sum ppl to block for him and watch how much better he would be.
Yeah that's what I've been trying to tell all the dip shit dum ass people out there that always hate on geno
If you give Geno an all-star team, he will have success?? who the F wouldn't!.... you are basically describing a Trent Dilfer, which Geno is.
Geno is a backup qb.That is all.
I think Geno doesn't have time because of the offensive line plus the NFL has a strong emphasis on pass rush. The line also effects the ability to run the ball which messes with the play action pass. I think Seattle is close and needs a couple more pieces on the o line. I noticed in the last few games they are keeping people in to help pass block. They need to have a replacement on the sidelines for Geno but who the heck is available? Also they are in need of a third good reciever and a couple good tight ends.- Thats my two cents worth.
The obvious point not mentioned by Colin is how bad Seahawks OL is, bottom 5 if not bottom 3 on league. Hard for me to day Geno isn't the qb with such a bad OL, same OL that made Russ look done. Look at Russ at Pittsburgh now, though not great definitely a C+ to B- grade. Now if Geno isn't better with a more decent OL then I'd say time to move on. I expect the GM to make the move to improve OL this off-season. That being said... I don't see a qb change unless a better qb comes available to team.
He don’t say nothing about how awful the Oline is. However, Geno starts good on the season then suddenly he gets tunnel vision and picks a favorite receiver who he will try to force the ball to over and over. This season it’s Jackson Smith-Njigba. He’s a great receiver but you gotta spread the ball around. Geno seems like he got worse over the last 3 years. I’m ready for something new but I also realize it can and probably will get even worse with someone new until that QB grows. Assuming a new QB is young. This feels like a situation of being stuck right now.
colin went from closet seahawks fan at the start of the season to back in the closet fan at the end of the season, guy is so inconsistent
The Oline and John Schnitzel has done a historically awful job of drafting and developing an Oline. It ain’t Geno folks, or rather how could we even know with that group of oatmeal piles in our interior
Stop blaming the o line. We have great guards. Yea lukas probably came back too early. The center is trash but their young learn a whole new offense. They didn't threw it to the other team in the end zone. Or fail to stick to the run game. Geno has poor management outside of the last 2min of a drive. We were close to dead last in the league on the first drive. That's scripted for Geno and he stumbled. With insane talent at wide receiver. It's insane how big of a step back this offense took. Get it's a new offense but it's a offense that fits Geno and he just isn't showing up.
Rand fan here geno is a good qb their oline is just terrible and the play calling has no spark geno would thrive in LA or San Fran
This is the guy that said Will Levis would be good 👍🏿
Who said that?
Caleb Williams has a Worse OLine and Caleb Williams has 19TDs and 6INTs... Geno has 17TDs and 15INTs... is it decision making?
Seattle's oline is ranked worse and how many of those INTs are Genos fault? 4 tipped passes that lead to INTs, DK running the route wrong twice that lead to 2 INTs, tipped passes from JSN that became an INT and then about 3 or 4 INTs caused from Geno being hit while throwing. It has nothing to do with decision making when Geno has been doing things right. Thats like 10 or 11 INTs that weren't even his fault so blaming him for that would be stupid. Also a couple dropped TD passes too that would've given him more
Seattle's oline is ranked worse and how many of those INTs are Genos fault? 4 tipped passes that lead to INTs, DK running the route wrong twice that lead to 2 INTs, tipped passes from JSN that became an INT and then about 3 or 4 INTs caused from Geno being hit while throwing. It has nothing to do with decision making when Geno has been doing things right. Thats like 10 or 11 INTs that weren't even his fault so blaming him for that would be stupid. Also a couple dropped TD passes too that would've given him more
This issue is the O-line
Take your pick :( O line, Offensive Coordinator, Geno's decision making.
What does the Seahawks have to do to get Dillon Gabriel?
We need an offensive line. No quarterback would be great unless he could fly.
He needs a good offensive line we
instead of getting M.Pennix they get sam howell .. hey seahawks enough of the redemption stories. your starting to look like the mariners who cant finish even when there 10 games up!
Losing that many games at home? Changes in the making at many levels.
Seattle home games sounded like away games, especially the last few. Seattle fans were absolutely terrible this season
People from Seattle like me are tired of Geno, the tides have turned. We HAVE to draft a QB. Geno plays scared and his INT's show that, I think 6 were in the red zone. He doesn't think in critical situations. I'm a season tix holder and have watched every snap.
100% agree
I’m from Seattle and Geno is excellent. No QB deals with more. Mike MacDonald loves him for a reason.
You can’t put any good qb behind this offensive line we have the worse one this year
Why can't geno go back to playing under center. Makes it easier on the o line and he excels there. Play action bootlegs to get him out of the pocket and throwing to two te sets are what he needs but grubb wants him to sit in shotgun and stare down field like a deer in headlights. Grubb needs to scheme around helping geno and the o line, he's not penix who had the best offensive line
Genos not that bad. Offensive line has been garbage. Play calling worse
New QB let geno go
Geno is not the issue yes he makes mistakes, but my God the line is horrible the CB play is terrible thank god for the safeties. Plus we don’t run the ball! Geno ain’t the issue trust!
Move on from geno draft a qb with no oline be in the same situation sounds dumb ash
Nice video. A lot of interesting takes and I could see both arguments. Mine is two-fold.
1. Yes , Seattle needs to plan for the future by drafting or trade etc .. for a QB.
2. Geno isn't as bad as some let on, he gets put in a lot of horrible situations without the threat of a run game and he panics. At least Russell Wilson would throw it away 5 times in a row, Carroll taught him about turnovers and field position.
3. The difference in physical measurements once a offensive lineman gets to the NFL are minimal, they're all big , strong and fast. My theory is the coaching isn't happening and or scheme. Grubb needs to realize he's not playing the WSU Cougars anymore and adjust. I see them giving him at least another season to figure it out.
Maybe that's 3 or 4 points 😂
All this hate on Geno when he had a line early this year we were 3-0...people forget that injuries happen we just need to draft more on that Offensive line and the Manage staff needs to stop playing before we get bought out like the freaking supersonics....aw grief
only reason they were 3 and 0 was because they played 2 backup QBs (tua got injured) and Bo Nix in his first career game.
Geno only has 5 legimate wins this season (and if you take out the 2 arizona wins, that drops to 3... because kylar aint that good either), any time he faces quality QBs he gets smacked.
Seattle doesn't have one true blue chip player that respectfully could be argued the best at their position.
There's a lotta teams out there that don't though
Williams is the Best DT in the league... Period!!!
@EvanJohnson-j6rDarnold has Jefferson. Burrow has two in Chase and Higgins. Goff is loaded with them. I can go on and on. JSN is nice and upcoming but he’s not a true #1 yet. And DK has the size speed and talent but has never turned into AJ Brown or Justin Jefferson.
Geno has flashes of greatness, but he's really inconsistent. But even with those flashes, he can't finish games. Either way, he's the leader of the team. If they lose, it falls on his shoulders. And for what he's being paid, he should be winning more.
If the defense gives you opportunities to win, then we should be winning big games. The rams do, we don't.
Bottom line, if we want to win, our salary cap is too high to get the right players. It NEEDS to come down. Cutting geno will give us 25 mil on top of the 7 we have. Sign fields for cheap, or draft a qb next year, use the cap to buy an Oline and keep your defensive starters. That way, whoever starts at qb will actually have a better chance of winning.
No team is getting 12 wins with Ryan Grubb calling those plays
Seattle had a chance to have 12 or more wins. They chocked the Giants and Rams game and then DK ruined the Vikings game. All of those were very winnable games. Bad oline and injuries made it worse for us too
@realmadzero It was noted this year that Seattles run or pass selection could be accurately predicted 75% of the time thats not a 12 win team
This dude doesnt know football😂
So the truth of the matter is Geno, on his current contract, is borderline top 12 guy, and those who say he is trash are wrong, and those who say he is an MVP candidate are also wrong. Colin just hates him because he associates him with his time in New York. The O-line is trash, the game was played mostly in pouring rain, and DK did not run the route well on the interception at the end of the game too. With that said, it was a terrible offensive game and Geno did not help it like a Mahomes, Allen, Burrow or Jackson would have done. Geno has some great comebacks, but also dumb plays too. They are not paying him like a top QB, and they are pretty much getting that. Can you win with him, I would say yes because the evidence seems to bear that out, but do you win the whole thing if you pay him top dollar, not sure that will happen as the O-line being bad seems to affect him greatly. Those are my thoughts on the matter.
I can't even think of 11 QBs thatvI would take over Geno. Dudes a proven top starting even with no oline and bad play calling. Give this man some fucking help or send him to a good team that will
@realmadzero well let's see for this year who you could put above him and who is kind of in that same tier. My general rule is would you trade Geno for that player straight up and feel good about it or pretty neutral.
I am guessing Mahomes, Allen, Jackson and Burrow are easily in the feels good category. I would add in Stroud and Daniels for sure because rookie deals. Stafford should probably be in the feels good, but he is older and more expensive so we make that an okay. For swinging for a QB with high upside you have Caleb, who I would like the money side of things, but we will see if that turns out. You also have the resurgence of Baker and Darnold who both would be kind of lateral moves from but both are also younger than Geno. Obviously you have to include Goff too because even though I don't love him, he is definitely a top ten guy this year. You also have Love and many would say Justin Herbert too. There is an argument for the other young QBs who have performed well and have team friendly contracts, but I will leave them off because they have yet to prove anything.
To be clear I think you can win with Geno, I just think the he is the greatest or worst narratives need to stop. And when looking at the contract side of things, if Geno gets 60 million is he good enough to win with less talent around him than he currently has with that increased pricetag?
Kyler Murray isn’t as good as Geno! Stop it!
Dunno what "good enough" is. If you can coach the TOs out of him, he is. Some are really odd and bad and they come at times. He is near the top of the league in big time throws and is way more highly graded than QBs like Nix.
Sacks is harder to gauge. The line is bad at pass pro but he is obviously responsible as well.
Bottom line, the negative plays undoes a lot the good tape he puts out. He has top 10 "good tape"
Geno is a solid bridge qb, terrible decision-making in the red zone or he could be more, but he is who he is at this point. Do not pay him 40 mill/year, it'd be better to suck with Sam Howell and get a young qb to develop bc this team isn't going anywhere w/Geno at qb obviously. I like Geno though, fun story for a couple of years.
Well a few things…. First off the O Line nuff said. Second Geno is hurt and gutting it out. Third the OC .. not sure if he is an NFL OC.. Grubb still might be.. OL makes it difficult to assess at this point.. Fourth- Not sure whether OC or Geno is viable until the OL is at least passable WITH a consistent run game… Bad take from Collin.
Seattle has a "win now" roster, as a Vikings fan, you guys should trade for our current starting QB, Sam Darnold, just saying... think about it, because JJ McCarthy isn't getting traded. ❤
wow no o line...duh. so sad he talks like he knows nothing.
Silly, a Colin specialty since his show is about hot takes and you're only going to get them right some of the time, especially on the things you know nothing about. Of course the Seahawks are looking at options. Right now, there are none. Geno is not the biggest problem.
We probably need to draft or get a young QB, so we can afford an oline lol!
Over exaggerated expectations by fans. I’m happy with the team this season. You couldn’t ask for better results from a new HC and coaches. A lot of new this season and it could’ve been worse like the 49ers and cardinals who are so called “ better “ 😂
As a Seahawks fan I would like to move on from Geno but I'm not sure that there will be any options to do that in the next off season. The only potential free agents that are better than Geno those being Sam Darnold or Russell Wilson will probably be retained by their current teams. Mortgaging multiple years of first round draft picks for a top pick is not the John Schneider way and there doesn't look to be any QB's in next year's draft to be worth doing that. So that leaves improving the team around Geno and perhaps finding a more experienced offensive coordinator. How does the next draft look for O-Line prospects?
Yeah I think Russ and Sam are staying put. Especially Sam
Justin Fields, should have done it last year
@@shavenutz - Other than QB runs Justin Fields has nothing on Geno.