What if Grandpa Gohan was a farmer? Plot justification- Roshi's 'Turtle Hermit' training involved manual labor, including plowing fields. Gohan incorporated this into his own physical conditioning and would teach Goku to farm as an aspect of martial arts training. Thus Goku would learn a basic understanding of math, science, grammar, and general knowledge of society (AKA what a girl is) by selling their crops with nearby villages.
@@FallenL1ght_ Yeah if Gohan was 'just' a farmer, he would of likely been baby Kakarot's first victim. But with farming a pseudo-hobby of Goku's parental figure, he should be more rounded person. (Opposed to the Fighting Savant of Canon) If you are so inclined, Gohan's customers could learn of his death and result in Goku getting adopted/orphanage with the 4 Star Ball as a keepsake.
@@huklo6331 How do you figure? Giving kid Goku a 4th grade education would fundamentally change how he interacts with other characters, especially Bulma. How this effects the story depends on the author of the What If, but you would have to actively choose for the change to be nil.
It would probably mean that goku and chichi would probably come to a bit of middle ground when it comes to gohan meaning he would fight a bit more not to the point of becoming the main character but definitely being a lot stronger
Group gravity training(Raditz will mention something about the gravity) Raditz gets a potential unlock (all of them are stronger anyways) At least a 15x or 20x boost for everyone depending on the time(Goku got 9x boost in 6 days with intense gravity on its own) Zenkais for the saiyans(do I need to give a reason for it?)
Hmm… this is gonna be interesting. Idea/prediction: “Hey brother, if we’re to stand a chance against a Zenkai-boosted Vegeta, and very likely Freiza, we need our tails back. I can train you to control the Great Ape as I do, so it won’t be a problem.”
Opinion: guru's potential unlock would still be useful as both guru is older thus can probably dig more out of someone, and between kami potential unlock and guru time will have passed. Additionally I would argue this is one of the few abilities piccolo would keep if/when he and kami fuse as it fits piccolo's role as mentor and teacher (basically serves as a way to quickly bring newer casties up to a useful baseline.)
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Kami and King Piccolo Dragon Clan Namekians while Piccolo Jr was born a Warrior Clan member. Thus the reason Jr doesn't have access to many abilities of his father and uncle.
We can also use the argument that it's a different stat besides the unlocker's innate ki, somewhat like magic. that way a fused Kami doesn't just turn people into early BoG level during the Cell saga.
@@sheridanroad2001 That would be correct. It just... FITS his character progression and growth though. If dude decides it can't work even post fusion? there is dende but at the same time.
@@RVGmetallicasaw I meant more in the case of like characters whom become good later, like if the androids get their potentials unlocked... or hell, future trunks or good Majin Buu
Potential Unlock is actually huge. It's the reason Gohan can grow _So Fast_ during intense training. It's also the reason Krillin outgrows Tenshinhan. Potential Unlock breaks down the locks on one's potential, the bottlenecks that create plateaus in growth and requires Limit Break Events
I'm so happy you spared Raditz, so many other what ifs would've came up with some kind of excuse to kill him, but you stay true to the spirit of dragon ball and the spirit of Goku, you know Goku on his feet half strength would've still spared Raditz and would stop Piccolo.
Amazing idea just struck me. What if Kami went to Namek too! And he meets Guru! And Guru recognizes him because they’re both so old. And Guru unlocks Kamis potential and Piccolos potential. Foreshadowing. When Kami and Piccolo fuse eventually..they’d be stronger than SSJ2 Gohan!
Which obviously that affects things like maybe Gohan won’t need to turn SSJ2 bcuz Piccolo kills Cell. But...what if it makes the dragon balls stronger by Kamis strength growing? And what if Piccolo and Kami fused can still control the dragon balls? And with their strength...the wishes can be bigger. Not held back by the things that he dragon said weren’t in his power..because the dragon should be at least as powerful as the namekian.
Because the technique was either a innate ability of guru or a technique that kami never would have learnt as he was sent to earth as Child which is also why his dragon balls could only grant 1 wish
I'm kind of surprised that in the 1 year training you didn't have Goku go train with King Kai. He could have easily made the trip down snake way in less than a day. Unless you're saving it for the next part maybe? All in all I think it's a good beginning.
Or...last idea. What if Kami used the earths dragon to wish for his youth because he felt the world was in danger with the approaching saiyans? And if he trained in the time chamber with the specific goal of making the dragons wishes stronger. Strong enough to defeat the saiyans with a wish. And the stronger Kami gets, the more the dragon can do.
Glad you are back my brother I have an idea for ya What If Android 16 was rebuilt love to see an Android 16 with the capabilities to become a Versatile Z Fighter
What If Request. What if Gohan drank the Ultra Divine Water before or after entering the Time Chamber with Goku, What if Goku was the first "evolved" Saiyan (like the Universe 6 Saiyan's who are born without a tail and have more potential), What if Kami regained his youth when King Piccolo did, What if Elder Guru fused with Kami before he died, What if Bulma found Androids 13, 14 and 15 used their parts to upgrade Android 16.
The V-Jump scan does say 250k for vegeta but frieza wasnt going all out and was just playing around as we can see frieza smirking and laughing the whole time because if he was serious he would be nervous or point out that vegeta is close to his power but also after the initial clash we see vegeta panting heavily while frieza is calm and not tired, also vegeta before the clash says that if all three of them (krillin gohan and vegeta) fight frieza they would win, he wouldnt include them if he wasnt confident in winning himself due to pride and such
There’s no indication frieza was holding back. If he thought he could handle someone in a form he wouldn’t transform as seen when Gohan actually hurt him but instead of transforming he just increased his ki even more. Yes frieza was smiling before the clash he can’t sense ki but he was not smiling when vegeta caught his first blow nor when his scouter broke so he wasn’t smiling the whole time. He started smiling again when vegeta told him to transform something he knew could handle the situation. Weighted piccolo had the upper hand the prideful vegeta who can sense ki admitted this but frieza still didn’t transform in that situation he just increased his ki and forced piccolo to remove his weights. He didn’t transform the last time until gohan once again landed a solid blow so frieza only transforms when he’s feels like the current transformation isn’t enough to completely dominant a fight and a 530,000 vs 250,000 + Friends (200,000 gohan, 75,000 krillin) would dominate a fight we see this with nappa who was 4,000 and even piccolo at 3,500 working together with krillin wasn’t enough to beat him. Also yes vegeta thought they could win if they worked together but he knew about frieza’s transformations knowing frieza would get stronger
@@MangaAdventures he never showed that he was struggling he was only mad that he was that powerful, its seen after the clash that frieza was standing there calm while vegeta was panting heavily and sweating indicating frieza wasnt trying while vegeta was, which makes vegeta being 250k believable
@@zerocreation5327but he can transform so it doesn’t matter how confident he appears in his first form when he has 3 more if the situation needs each giving him a massive boost in power. Being confident in his transformations in this case his second form says nothing about the ability of his first form. Not once in his second form does he say I didn’t need to transform to beat you. Not once did he indicate how much power he was using in any forms except his final one
What if Master Roshi wished for his youth and was able to help in the saiyan saga? What if Tien reaches a power where he can literally transform? Super human? Don’t forget..Roshi literally has a second form and he’s human!
Okay on the topic of potential, this idea came across my mind, what if Videl had potential equal to Gohan? it's strange but imagine she had that potential and her training through life got her around the strength of someone like Krillin for when they first met and she stays a fighter....
There’s precedent for it. Some members of different races just have unusually high potential for their race. Frieza or Broly for example, and I mean, yeah they were unusual and mutants of their race but who’s to say that Videl couldn’t be similar in terms of potential? Just for humans instead. Excluding that angle, the type of stories and folklore the franchise draws heavy inspiration from is full of once a millennia prodigies “blessed by the heavens” and “strongest under the sun.” (Which is actually the literal translation of Tenkaichi Budokai - “number one under the sun” or “number one under heaven” - so it thematically fits) Pan would be ridiculously powerful and have monstrous natural potential if Videl and Gohan still got together in that case. Enough to truly justify, perhaps, having a God of Destruction and an angel as an uncle/babysitter.
BuT GoKu PoWeR LeVeL ShOuLd bE aT 100,000! 😆 This idea really interesting though with Kami been able to unlock people's potential it would definitely come in handy during early DBZ. Nice the Saiyans Saga turned out fine, and it looks like Raditz is turning good here. I'm hoping to see Gohan begin training in the next part (Not going up against Frieza of course) to help defend herself if needed maybe Raditz personally training Gohan some and doubles as a way to get to know each. Anyways overall another really good start to this new series, and looking forward to the next part soon. What if suggestion: What if Gohan was similar to Broly?
What if Supreme Kai trained Goku instead of King Kai during the Saiyan Saga. Shin, being more proactive, could have been scouting warriors to protect the universe from Majin Buu, due to Babidi being more active in securing energy.
The only thing i question is if Goku really has to die in order to get king kais training. I mean Kami without dying can teleport there and can teleport other people to and from there. I just always feel like in these what ifs that kami still wanting to do more would still think of and get goku to train at king kais
He’d have to have a way to store six months of food & water for the journey for himself. I know we got capsule tech, but you know he’s going to accidentally drop that off snake way the first time he tries to use it lol.
hey dude cool vid ive been watching you for a bit could you do a what if were the humans catch up here are a few ideas of mine Tien loves hard work so he goes down the kaio ken route (Above x100 limit) Krillin likes hard work too but... we take the eazy route sometimes so he gets the mystic form Yamcha not knowing what to do just train and one day his wolf fang fist evolved (His new move) was mixed with his neo wolf fang fist making him get absorbed into his aura he comes out in a ssj4 looking transformation but colored like his bright blue wolf fang fist (Main perks puts body into prime age, goku black level ki controll, and allows him to use the ulltmate wolf fang fist cut text rest in replys
Chaitzu (yes im going there) gets training with the kais and gains magic powers including kai kai and healing and telekinesis What happended to my text I have no idea during the universe 6 tournament (no chaitzu : ( sage) they take a page from each other yamcha goes with kaio ken with his wolf form, tien trys to get yamchas form but cant but gets a form that is kaio ken x20 strong with no strain and that ki control yamcha has (Its better than reaguler when he first got it) and krillin gets the kaio ken chaitzu gets mystic cause why not elder kai was there and his small body would not get destroyed all get god ki from whis in his staff (no special form from this) roshi comes along too along with chaitzu cause why not roshi can fiannaly break hsi limits and whis loves him and teaches him what goku cant understand I have no other ideas for arks beyond but its your what if so you go crazy
So Goku went from around 300-400 to over 8,000-9,000 (over 8,000 in the manga, over 9,000 in the dub) during his year of training under King Kai. That’s anywhere from a 20-30 times increase _in around 5-6 six months_ due to having to traverse Snake Way. While the training with King Kai _was_ under 10x gravity, it was training alone and without sparring partners. I think having sparring partners even if only just towards the final quarter of the year (which Whis has stated makes for better and more effective training), a Zenkai from the fight with Raditz, and the gradual strengthening effects of a potential unlock should reasonably have taken a post-Raditz Zenkai Goku who’s probably around 2,500-3,500 at that time up to 15-20 times stronger over the course of a *full year* of training. So a range of anywhere between 37,500 and 70,000. I think, realistically for this point in the timeline, somewhere between 45,000 and 60,000 would make more sense. It ends up making little difference for this point in the story though. 30,000 just seems slightly too low.
Yes whis said training with other “saiyans” gives them better results but You’re comparing king Kai’s training to the training on earth which I don’t believe is fair in the slightest. King Kai’s planet like you said has 10xs earths gravity and we see how gravity training vastly increases your strength throughout the series. They are still using gravity training/weighted clothes in super. Plus king Kai taught goku new ways to utilize ki which is essential to fighting as seen when ginyu switched bodies with goku and only had a power level of 23,000. Goku even outright says it’s because he can’t use his ki properly. You’re also using a very specific timeframe which I again don’t think is fair for these calculations. Goku went from 8,000 to 90,000 in 5 days on his trip to Namek using the 6th day to rest. So 11.25xs stronger every 5 days he should be in the millions within a year but on the flip side of that goku went from a super kamehameha of 910 in the piccolo jr saga to 924 in the Raditz saga which is only 1.02xs stronger in 5 years. Everything is clearly a case by case basis depending on the training you do and the goals you set for yourself. With no goals or new training you get goku only getting 1.02xs stronger in 5 years but when you add a goal your power jumps astonishingly example the goal in the vegeta arc for the humans was bare minimum as strong as raditz and they all got to that point doing the exact same training goku did in 1/3 the time.
I think this idea of potential unlock should enable the humans to remain relevant in the story. It's a continual itch of mine for the Z-fighters to get more love. An interesting fact. When Krillin, Yamcha, Tien, and Chiaotzu trained with Kami, they grew stronger than Goku did in one year compared to when Goku trained with him for three years. And when Tien, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu went to train with King Kai, King Kai said that they beat his record of getting through snake way. It seems that the humans grow at an exponential rate when they trained together, whereas the saiyans grow much more through zenkai boosts. If the humans can come to learn this, maybe they can spend more time training with the sayians and Piccolo, and be more on par with them instead of being sidelined as usual. Just a thought though. This is a very interesting fic.
Zenkai boosts have diminishing returns, and the reason they grew more from Kami's training than Goku did is because they were training as a group and that's always been more effective. They were dozens of times stronger going down snakeway than goku was
@@munchies982 True. My point is that since the humans grew so much in such a short time, and now they all can have their potential unlocked, they should be able to stay relevant to the story. I just don't want the saiyans to be the only ones running the show anymore is all.
What if future trunks was like vegeta. This could put him in every arc due to wanting to fight all the time and train with his own beers. GOD of destruction trunks. Maybe he could be in sdbh as well he could be the building saga after wanting to show his power to vegeta him vs making vegeta he could be arrogant in personality letting cell absorb 18
What if the super saiyan transformations were evolutions instead? Meaning the moment goku goes super saiyan it becomes his new base form. What if trunks was the legendary super saiyan? What if Gohan krillin and bulma Landed on planet cereal instead of false namek?
I like the premise a lot. And you made a lot of choices I agree with, like Gohan not being as involved in the fight since he wasn't as needed. I'm interested in seeing where Piccolo's story takes him though, it could be fun if him and Gohan still end up becoming friends. Perhaps Piccolo spying on Goku, keeping an eye on what's going on, and Gohan discovers him and is just kinda like "Hi.." and then their friendship grows from there maybe? Lol, I dunno, but I'm interested in seeing where this goes in the future!
This is quite fun. Goku beating on Raditz till the Oozaru, defending him against Piccolo, and had the upper hand against the Saiyans for the most part. Also, Raditz getting a redemption arc is a nice plus. This is very beneficial to the Humans since they get a nice headstart in power and don't die. I'm curious what you'll do with Piccolo and Gohan, since those two were major players in the original Saiyan Saga and with the threat of Frieza probably coming to Earth. Always a pleasure to see an upload, Manga. See ya next time around here.
Krillin being at 75 thousand+during the freiza fight makes more sense than him being 13,000 + a couple thousand from overtime. He did do unusually good against freiza second form despite being so overwhelmed and though he did eventually lose, that was already way past something someone of a power level of even 75000 should be capable of. Not to mention the insane boosts gohan was getting at that same points.(although together with zenkais)
I don’t understand your argument. You’re saying he should be 75,000 instead around 23,000 because he did well against someone with a power level of over 1 million. Regardless of which number you pick he’s still below 100,000 making him more than 10xs weaker than frieza regardless with that big of a difference it doesn’t matter which one he was the results would be the same. As for gohan his rage boost are the reason he was doing well against frieza and those power ups vary to say the least and can’t be pin pointed.
I initially thought the humans power lvls were to high but it does make sense and I'm glad you didn't make Goku super buff to fast. Can't wait to see what happens with raditz in the next part. Great job with this
You're my favourite dragonball Whatif guy like, you have proper structuring, unique assets to each story, proper power scaling which is important for some aspect of dragonball and that sexy voice man, you're just the perfect, too bad u only have 11k subs, I'm surprised by don't have 150k already...
I got a scenario for this: Make Grandpa Gohan a farmer. Plot justification- Roshi's 'Turtle Hermit' training involved manual labor, including plowing fields. Gohan incorporated this into his own physical conditioning and would teach Goku to farm as an aspect of martial arts training. Thus Goku would learn a basic understanding of math, science, grammar, and general knowledge of society (AKA what a girl is) by selling their crops with nearby villages.
What if goku went to yardrat as a kid (Via bulma somehow) What if king Kai and kami switched places somehow (King Kai being earths god with kami being a Kai)
One of the reason why Goku isn't as strong as Krilling or Gohan after their potential unlocks could be because Kami is not as good with that technique as Guru. Another thing is that I feel like Goku would probably try to go in the room of spirit and time so that he'd be able to defeat the saiyans in their great ape form, but maybe you're saving the room for the next part because there's a chance that frieza could show up on earth.
I actually think that king piccolo having the power to unlock potential would have made for a better story. piccolo Jr not having it makes sense still, both would be more powerful when they fought raditz. they could've beaten him, making the power unlock from kami more important for the saiyins.
I think he would be a stronger one because the potential unlock takes time and you get stronger overtime and plus the humans wanna even compare even with the potential unlock Because one sure they will get stronger overtime tube but go to the saying that should explain it all 9:29
Thanks for clicking the heart button. Uh yeah so Kid Goku gets his potential ENHANCED by Kami so every Zenkai boost makes him MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH STRONGER than they normally could...... and also all of his training gets much faster results. So four months of training with just one zenkai boost makes him stronger than GOLDEN FRIEZA before he even talks to Raditz.
@@MangaAdventures . Ofcourse that might lead to one of the two things I'm listing here. One: GOKU accidentally kills Vegeta and Nappa both with a single basic KI BLAST and then has to bring them back to life, break their limbs,drag them over to Kami, and have both of their potentials ENHANCED even if against their will....... just so they could still be a good challenge for him someday. Two: He accidentally kills them just as in above.... but gets Yemma and Kami to let them keep their bodies in the afterlife so they can keep getting stronger while Goku goes to Namek with Piccolo,Gohan,Bulma, and Krillin to meet the namekians...... which then becomes the easiest rescue mission ever because Frieza is killing namekians for dragon balls. GOKU, having gotten even stronger from KAIO KEN training just because he can, accidentally kills FRIEZA with one punch before he can even transform. So he doesn't turn SSJ on Namek and never even encounters the Ginyu Force. Beerus wakes up,Goku beats him before he can even mention SUPER SAIYAN GOD,then Goku is forced by divine law to replace Beerus as a god of destruction. Eventually everyone wished back Vegeta and Nappa but they are still nothing to Goku so he still drags their poor butts to Kami so they can get their potentials ENHANCED and train with Goku for all eternity. Oh wait,..... how does this effect Cell and the Android Saga? I'm thinking of this as I type it so if you see any flaws, that is probably why.
Honestly I like the thought and research you put into your what ifs. And the fact that you reference that guru’s potential unlock is a power up that increases over time not many people understand that
Ngl this was pretty interesting I loved this part 1. My main hope is the humans staying relevant, Piccolo too with their powers unlocked now. Already nearing Ginyu force levels of power.
Krillin in the Namek saga peaked at around 100,000. Goku’s potential unlock peaking at 30,000 makes sense, but I think if he trained for a year in addition, Goku should at least be around 100,000.
I know this might be a stretch but I’m curious to see what would happen if goku was created by zeno so he could have a friend I would love to see how powerful and important goku would be if you could make this possible it would be amazing
@@kappakiev9672 He would be too strong for OG and DBZ story. So the What If would propel kid Goku into Super's Arcs, which be quite interesting if done right.
*@Manga Adventures:* all due respect, If Kami is going to Unlock the Human's Potential, he's doing it *before* the year of training. The whole point of Potential Unlock is breaking the locks on the recipient's growth, preventing bottlenecks and allowing them to freely improve through training and battle without any need for Limit Break Events. The immediate power boost is just a bonus
This was never stated by Guru himself or in any guides that I know of. Guru’s exact words when he uses it on Krillin in chapter 265 was “You are wasting your inner strength that still lies asleep. I can awaken it for you.” Then 2 pages later when krillin asks if he can do this to little kids as well or does it shortens guru’s life or anything guru responds “I only awakened what was yours. It has no bearing on the life I have left. If there is sleeping power I could bring it out even if it’s from a child.” Guru is clearly stating he is drawing out the power within you he doesn’t mention breaking open your limits any time he unlocks someone’s potential. Not saying you are wrong but if you are getting this from a guide could you please send a link to which one and if you read this on a chapter page please which chapter and quote it so it’s easier for me to find I could have very well skipped over it
Btw power level maybe closer to 50k because of the zen Kia and the potential increased over time and he had a year plus maybe another zen Kia from training
This is a really fun video, looking forward to part 2. I think Goku having a PL of 30,000 makes sense for the Saiyan Arc in terms of narrative pacing, but I do think you could scale it higher without much effort. I will assume the PL of 2500 the Goku has in the Raditz fight is him in weighted clothing based on how you worded the confrontation, and thus that his true PL would be around 3100. If we use your idea that the average zenkai gives +30%, that would mean Goku should be at a PL of 4000 after he finishes healing. However, we know from within the narrative that he should have also been getting passively stronger from the boost during that period of time. If we use the 1.77x scaling factor you chose here (23000/13000 for Krillin), then Goku should be closer to 7100 after he gets his zenkai. Personally, I think a ~4x improvement in 3 months is a little weak. I can see intense group training getting him to 40,000. If he trains with Piccolo, then the Androids arc shows us that all bets are off (you can argue that fusing with Nail gave Piccolo greater potential, but that's never been proven or stated in any official source). Thus, if Goku train intensely with Piccolo and the post-unlock humans, his power level could probably be scaled anywhere from 40,000-60,000 imo (and maybe 100,000 for those people that are dead set on having a justification for feeling that way).
Yes 2500 is weighted 3000 is unweighted I rounded down the exact number is 3055. Zenkai would round him up to 4,000 overtime growth he would be 7,000 exact number is 7027. How much stronger goku got with piccolo is unknown but we know piccolo at least caught up to around ssj level which is the same logic I used here with goku catching up to the human z fighters. Strongest human I stated was tien at 24,000 so I’m curious why you think 40,000 is a better number plus he never trained with piccolo he only trained with the humans. If you want to say goku caught up by training by himself and using piccolo’s growth he would be 60,000 but at the same time piccolo was clearly image training and his goal was raditz and surpassing him since his Allies were stronger Tldr I can’t see them going higher than 30,000 with no goal in mind goku got that high because his friends were his goal and he surpassed them
At first like yourself I didn't think much of it, but it turned out to be really intriguing. Wonder just what you will change with these new story beats moving forward.
I feel like since raditz is there with goku and all he'll tell them about their past and stuff like he'll talk about how planet vegeta had 10× gravity and stuff and that'll probably inspire goku to ask bulma for a gravity chamber in this whatif since that is thr only scenario that would make sense since goku didnt go to king kai, also I feel like saiyans are preparing for frieza by training in the time chamber, or kami can tell them about king kai and go learn kaioken and whatnot
Now to be fair, 30k isn't bad at all when you consider the gains he could have gotten in gravity training. But this is great story so far and it's refreshingly new. I've seen a few times where Guru unlocked potentials but this is first time I'm seeing one for Kami.
What if Grandpa Gohan was a farmer?
Plot justification- Roshi's 'Turtle Hermit' training involved manual labor, including plowing fields.
Gohan incorporated this into his own physical conditioning and would teach Goku to farm as an aspect of martial arts training.
Thus Goku would learn a basic understanding of math, science, grammar, and general knowledge of society (AKA what a girl is) by selling their crops with nearby villages.
Sounded boring af at first but that makes sense would be cool to see not a genius goku nor the dumb one we have canonically but a competent one
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Yeah if Gohan was 'just' a farmer, he would of likely been baby Kakarot's first victim.
But with farming a pseudo-hobby of Goku's parental figure, he should be more rounded person. (Opposed to the Fighting Savant of Canon)
If you are so inclined, Gohan's customers could learn of his death and result in Goku getting adopted/orphanage with the 4 Star Ball as a keepsake.
No change in story tho
@@huklo6331 How do you figure?
Giving kid Goku a 4th grade education would fundamentally change how he interacts with other characters, especially Bulma.
How this effects the story depends on the author of the What If, but you would have to actively choose for the change to be nil.
It would probably mean that goku and chichi would probably come to a bit of middle ground when it comes to gohan meaning he would fight a bit more not to the point of becoming the main character but definitely being a lot stronger
Group gravity training(Raditz will mention something about the gravity)
Raditz gets a potential unlock (all of them are stronger anyways)
At least a 15x or 20x boost for everyone depending on the time(Goku got 9x boost in 6 days with intense gravity on its own)
Zenkais for the saiyans(do I need to give a reason for it?)
Hmm… this is gonna be interesting. Idea/prediction:
“Hey brother, if we’re to stand a chance against a Zenkai-boosted Vegeta, and very likely Freiza, we need our tails back. I can train you to control the Great Ape as I do, so it won’t be a problem.”
Gonna need a big strength boost to overcome the lack of Spirit Bomb…
Opinion: guru's potential unlock would still be useful as both guru is older thus can probably dig more out of someone, and between kami potential unlock and guru time will have passed.
Additionally I would argue this is one of the few abilities piccolo would keep if/when he and kami fuse as it fits piccolo's role as mentor and teacher (basically serves as a way to quickly bring newer casties up to a useful baseline.)
This makes sense
That makes sense and I think the older you are the more advanced potential unlock it will be.
Edit: I mean kami and guru
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Kami and King Piccolo Dragon Clan Namekians while Piccolo Jr was born a Warrior Clan member.
Thus the reason Jr doesn't have access to many abilities of his father and uncle.
We can also use the argument that it's a different stat besides the unlocker's innate ki, somewhat like magic. that way a fused Kami doesn't just turn people into early BoG level during the Cell saga.
@@sheridanroad2001 That would be correct. It just... FITS his character progression and growth though.
If dude decides it can't work even post fusion? there is dende but at the same time.
Quite an interesting concept for a what if, curious to see how far the potential unlock will help in later sagas.
Edit: poor Radditz 😢
I don’t think it will, what matters is how the boost can help set things up later.
@@RVGmetallicasaw I meant more in the case of like characters whom become good later, like if the androids get their potentials unlocked... or hell, future trunks or good Majin Buu
Potential Unlock is actually huge.
It's the reason Gohan can grow _So Fast_ during intense training.
It's also the reason Krillin outgrows Tenshinhan.
Potential Unlock breaks down the locks on one's potential, the bottlenecks that create plateaus in growth and requires Limit Break Events
A Giant Piccolo's special beam cannon, could beat Giant Raditz as well.
I'm so happy you spared Raditz, so many other what ifs would've came up with some kind of excuse to kill him, but you stay true to the spirit of dragon ball and the spirit of Goku, you know Goku on his feet half strength would've still spared Raditz and would stop Piccolo.
I think Goku & Radits should go to king kai's world some kinda way & do gravity training with the rest of the Z warriors
Amazing idea just struck me. What if Kami went to Namek too! And he meets Guru! And Guru recognizes him because they’re both so old. And Guru unlocks Kamis potential and Piccolos potential. Foreshadowing. When Kami and Piccolo fuse eventually..they’d be stronger than SSJ2 Gohan!
Which obviously that affects things like maybe Gohan won’t need to turn SSJ2 bcuz Piccolo kills Cell. But...what if it makes the dragon balls stronger by Kamis strength growing? And what if Piccolo and Kami fused can still control the dragon balls? And with their strength...the wishes can be bigger. Not held back by the things that he dragon said weren’t in his power..because the dragon should be at least as powerful as the namekian.
Low key was wondering why kami didn’t have this ability in the first place
Because the technique was either a innate ability of guru or a technique that kami never would have learnt as he was sent to earth as Child which is also why his dragon balls could only grant 1 wish
@@legaming4859Or more importantly, Toriyama hadn't thought of it yet.
@@DanielMWJ just because he didn't think of it yet does mean it didn't exist until he thought of it i was giving an in universe explanation
I'm kind of surprised that in the 1 year training you didn't have Goku go train with King Kai. He could have easily made the trip down snake way in less than a day. Unless you're saving it for the next part maybe? All in all I think it's a good beginning.
Or...last idea. What if Kami used the earths dragon to wish for his youth because he felt the world was in danger with the approaching saiyans? And if he trained in the time chamber with the specific goal of making the dragons wishes stronger. Strong enough to defeat the saiyans with a wish. And the stronger Kami gets, the more the dragon can do.
They forgot about that
Raditz should have gotten a zen kai but, in the end I guess it was inconsequential lol
Glad you are back my brother I have an idea for ya What If Android 16 was rebuilt love to see an Android 16 with the capabilities to become a Versatile Z Fighter
What If Request. What if Gohan drank the Ultra Divine Water before or after entering the Time Chamber with Goku, What if Goku was the first "evolved" Saiyan (like the Universe 6 Saiyan's who are born without a tail and have more potential), What if Kami regained his youth when King Piccolo did, What if Elder Guru fused with Kami before he died, What if Bulma found Androids 13, 14 and 15 used their parts to upgrade Android 16.
I agree 👍👍👍
The V-Jump scan does say 250k for vegeta but frieza wasnt going all out and was just playing around as we can see frieza smirking and laughing the whole time because if he was serious he would be nervous or point out that vegeta is close to his power but also after the initial clash we see vegeta panting heavily while frieza is calm and not tired, also vegeta before the clash says that if all three of them (krillin gohan and vegeta) fight frieza they would win, he wouldnt include them if he wasnt confident in winning himself due to pride and such
There’s no indication frieza was holding back. If he thought he could handle someone in a form he wouldn’t transform as seen when Gohan actually hurt him but instead of transforming he just increased his ki even more. Yes frieza was smiling before the clash he can’t sense ki but he was not smiling when vegeta caught his first blow nor when his scouter broke so he wasn’t smiling the whole time. He started smiling again when vegeta told him to transform something he knew could handle the situation. Weighted piccolo had the upper hand the prideful vegeta who can sense ki admitted this but frieza still didn’t transform in that situation he just increased his ki and forced piccolo to remove his weights. He didn’t transform the last time until gohan once again landed a solid blow so frieza only transforms when he’s feels like the current transformation isn’t enough to completely dominant a fight and a 530,000 vs 250,000 + Friends (200,000 gohan, 75,000 krillin) would dominate a fight we see this with nappa who was 4,000 and even piccolo at 3,500 working together with krillin wasn’t enough to beat him. Also yes vegeta thought they could win if they worked together but he knew about frieza’s transformations knowing frieza would get stronger
@@MangaAdventures he never showed that he was struggling he was only mad that he was that powerful, its seen after the clash that frieza was standing there calm while vegeta was panting heavily and sweating indicating frieza wasnt trying while vegeta was, which makes vegeta being 250k believable
@@zerocreation5327 still doesn’t explain why frieza didn’t just throw a harder punch which he does in ever other transformation
@@MangaAdventures because he was being cocky, its obvious as seen when he smiles and laughs while talking about how strong he is
@@zerocreation5327but he can transform so it doesn’t matter how confident he appears in his first form when he has 3 more if the situation needs each giving him a massive boost in power. Being confident in his transformations in this case his second form says nothing about the ability of his first form. Not once in his second form does he say I didn’t need to transform to beat you. Not once did he indicate how much power he was using in any forms except his final one
What if Master Roshi wished for his youth and was able to help in the saiyan saga? What if Tien reaches a power where he can literally transform? Super human? Don’t forget..Roshi literally has a second form and he’s human!
Okay on the topic of potential, this idea came across my mind, what if Videl had potential equal to Gohan? it's strange but imagine she had that potential and her training through life got her around the strength of someone like Krillin for when they first met and she stays a fighter....
Hmm. So is Mr. Hercule, or Mrs. Hercule like a Saiyan?
@@couldbetrento5850 No, not a change in race, just a change in her potential as a fighter, like she was just born with insane potential
@@Kiro_Valyne like uub?
@@darkmagiccardsyugioh2985 yes but not a reincarnation
There’s precedent for it. Some members of different races just have unusually high potential for their race. Frieza or Broly for example, and I mean, yeah they were unusual and mutants of their race but who’s to say that Videl couldn’t be similar in terms of potential? Just for humans instead. Excluding that angle, the type of stories and folklore the franchise draws heavy inspiration from is full of once a millennia prodigies “blessed by the heavens” and “strongest under the sun.”
(Which is actually the literal translation of Tenkaichi Budokai - “number one under the sun” or “number one under heaven” - so it thematically fits)
Pan would be ridiculously powerful and have monstrous natural potential if Videl and Gohan still got together in that case. Enough to truly justify, perhaps, having a God of Destruction and an angel as an uncle/babysitter.
i like this. plus any what if that Raditz survives, is a good what if.
Manga Adventures upload? A surprise to be sure but a welcome one.
BuT GoKu PoWeR LeVeL ShOuLd bE aT 100,000! 😆 This idea really interesting though with Kami been able to unlock people's potential it would definitely come in handy during early DBZ. Nice the Saiyans Saga turned out fine, and it looks like Raditz is turning good here. I'm hoping to see Gohan begin training in the next part (Not going up against Frieza of course) to help defend herself if needed maybe Raditz personally training Gohan some and doubles as a way to get to know each. Anyways overall another really good start to this new series, and looking forward to the next part soon.
What if suggestion:
What if Gohan was similar to Broly?
Always love you and your comments king the 100,000 got a chuckle out of me
Radditz has almost nothing to teach Gohan, he's not a martial artist he's a shock trooper.
Could be a good sparring partner though
@@MangaAdventures What If Manga Adventures was in Dragon Ball
What if Supreme Kai trained Goku instead of King Kai during the Saiyan Saga. Shin, being more proactive, could have been scouting warriors to protect the universe from Majin Buu, due to Babidi being more active in securing energy.
and so he returns
Yes he did.
Sacred saiyan knows who I am! Jk good to see you buddy glad your channel is thriving and I can’t wait for you to hit 30k!!!
The Goku vs Vegeta fight in this timeline is literally how canon Vegeta believes the shit went down, and that is just bizarre to think about.
What if lord slug was sent to earth with kami pls make that also love this what if
I'm super excited to see a part 2!!
goku should have a power lvl of 100,000. I refuse to elaborate
The only thing i question is if Goku really has to die in order to get king kais training.
I mean Kami without dying can teleport there and can teleport other people to and from there. I just always feel like in these what ifs that kami still wanting to do more would still think of and get goku to train at king kais
He’d have to have a way to store six months of food & water for the journey for himself. I know we got capsule tech, but you know he’s going to accidentally drop that off snake way the first time he tries to use it lol.
Could use Shenron to wish him there I guess though.
This is a banger
hey dude cool vid ive been watching you for a bit could you do a what if were the humans catch up here are a few ideas of mine
Tien loves hard work so he goes down the kaio ken route (Above x100 limit)
Krillin likes hard work too but... we take the eazy route sometimes so he gets the mystic form
Yamcha not knowing what to do just train and one day his wolf fang fist evolved (His new move) was mixed with his neo wolf fang fist making him get absorbed into his aura he comes out in a ssj4 looking transformation but colored like his bright blue wolf fang fist (Main perks puts body into prime age, goku black level ki controll, and allows him to use the ulltmate wolf fang fist
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Krillin gets his after buu saga and tien and yamcha get theres after cell saga krillin trains but still does not get his form
Chaitzu (yes im going there) gets training with the kais and gains magic powers including kai kai and healing and telekinesis
What happended to my text I have no idea
during the universe 6 tournament (no chaitzu : ( sage) they take a page from each other yamcha goes with kaio ken with his wolf form, tien trys to get yamchas form but cant but gets a form that is kaio ken x20 strong with no strain and that ki control yamcha has (Its better than reaguler when he first got it) and krillin gets the kaio ken chaitzu gets mystic cause why not elder kai was there and his small body would not get destroyed all get god ki from whis in his staff (no special form from this) roshi comes along too along with chaitzu cause why not roshi can fiannaly break hsi limits and whis loves him and teaches him what goku cant understand
I have no other ideas for arks beyond but its your what if so you go crazy
So Goku went from around 300-400 to over 8,000-9,000 (over 8,000 in the manga, over 9,000 in the dub) during his year of training under King Kai. That’s anywhere from a 20-30 times increase _in around 5-6 six months_ due to having to traverse Snake Way. While the training with King Kai _was_ under 10x gravity, it was training alone and without sparring partners. I think having sparring partners even if only just towards the final quarter of the year (which Whis has stated makes for better and more effective training), a Zenkai from the fight with Raditz, and the gradual strengthening effects of a potential unlock should reasonably have taken a post-Raditz Zenkai Goku who’s probably around 2,500-3,500 at that time up to 15-20 times stronger over the course of a *full year* of training. So a range of anywhere between 37,500 and 70,000. I think, realistically for this point in the timeline, somewhere between 45,000 and 60,000 would make more sense. It ends up making little difference for this point in the story though. 30,000 just seems slightly too low.
Yes whis said training with other “saiyans” gives them better results but You’re comparing king Kai’s training to the training on earth which I don’t believe is fair in the slightest. King Kai’s planet like you said has 10xs earths gravity and we see how gravity training vastly increases your strength throughout the series. They are still using gravity training/weighted clothes in super. Plus king Kai taught goku new ways to utilize ki which is essential to fighting as seen when ginyu switched bodies with goku and only had a power level of 23,000. Goku even outright says it’s because he can’t use his ki properly. You’re also using a very specific timeframe which I again don’t think is fair for these calculations. Goku went from 8,000 to 90,000 in 5 days on his trip to Namek using the 6th day to rest. So 11.25xs stronger every 5 days he should be in the millions within a year but on the flip side of that goku went from a super kamehameha of 910 in the piccolo jr saga to 924 in the Raditz saga which is only 1.02xs stronger in 5 years. Everything is clearly a case by case basis depending on the training you do and the goals you set for yourself. With no goals or new training you get goku only getting 1.02xs stronger in 5 years but when you add a goal your power jumps astonishingly example the goal in the vegeta arc for the humans was bare minimum as strong as raditz and they all got to that point doing the exact same training goku did in 1/3 the time.
I think this idea of potential unlock should enable the humans to remain relevant in the story. It's a continual itch of mine for the Z-fighters to get more love.
An interesting fact. When Krillin, Yamcha, Tien, and Chiaotzu trained with Kami, they grew stronger than Goku did in one year compared to when Goku trained with him for three years. And when Tien, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu went to train with King Kai, King Kai said that they beat his record of getting through snake way. It seems that the humans grow at an exponential rate when they trained together, whereas the saiyans grow much more through zenkai boosts. If the humans can come to learn this, maybe they can spend more time training with the sayians and Piccolo, and be more on par with them instead of being sidelined as usual.
Just a thought though. This is a very interesting fic.
Zenkai boosts have diminishing returns, and the reason they grew more from Kami's training than Goku did is because they were training as a group and that's always been more effective. They were dozens of times stronger going down snakeway than goku was
@@munchies982 True. My point is that since the humans grew so much in such a short time, and now they all can have their potential unlocked, they should be able to stay relevant to the story. I just don't want the saiyans to be the only ones running the show anymore is all.
What if future trunks was like vegeta. This could put him in every arc due to wanting to fight all the time and train with his own beers. GOD of destruction trunks. Maybe he could be in sdbh as well he could be the building saga after wanting to show his power to vegeta him vs making vegeta he could be arrogant in personality letting cell absorb 18
What if the super saiyan transformations were evolutions instead? Meaning the moment goku goes super saiyan it becomes his new base form.
What if trunks was the legendary super saiyan?
What if Gohan krillin and bulma Landed on planet cereal instead of false namek?
A Story Where Raditz Lives?!?!
*Slams Fist on Table*
MORE! I WANT MORE OF THIS STORY!
It's been a while, glad to see you back
Can’t wait to hear part 2
I like the premise a lot. And you made a lot of choices I agree with, like Gohan not being as involved in the fight since he wasn't as needed. I'm interested in seeing where Piccolo's story takes him though, it could be fun if him and Gohan still end up becoming friends. Perhaps Piccolo spying on Goku, keeping an eye on what's going on, and Gohan discovers him and is just kinda like "Hi.." and then their friendship grows from there maybe? Lol, I dunno, but I'm interested in seeing where this goes in the future!
I mean technically Bardock was the one to develop the technique since he was a brilliant scientist
I know this is gonna be good
You keep as close to Canon as possible but makes it work like salad saiyan smug and more great start to a series
What if goku was born an elite sayain
This is quite fun.
Goku beating on Raditz till the Oozaru, defending him against Piccolo, and had the upper hand against the Saiyans for the most part. Also, Raditz getting a redemption arc is a nice plus. This is very beneficial to the Humans since they get a nice headstart in power and don't die. I'm curious what you'll do with Piccolo and Gohan, since those two were major players in the original Saiyan Saga and with the threat of Frieza probably coming to Earth.
Always a pleasure to see an upload, Manga. See ya next time around here.
Love you and your comments index!
True Goku should had that level of power
Krillin being at 75 thousand+during the freiza fight makes more sense than him being 13,000 + a couple thousand from overtime. He did do unusually good against freiza second form despite being so overwhelmed and though he did eventually lose, that was already way past something someone of a power level of even 75000 should be capable of. Not to mention the insane boosts gohan was getting at that same points.(although together with zenkais)
I don’t understand your argument. You’re saying he should be 75,000 instead around 23,000 because he did well against someone with a power level of over 1 million. Regardless of which number you pick he’s still below 100,000 making him more than 10xs weaker than frieza regardless with that big of a difference it doesn’t matter which one he was the results would be the same. As for gohan his rage boost are the reason he was doing well against frieza and those power ups vary to say the least and can’t be pin pointed.
Welcome back king 👑
Banger video, I can't wait to see what direction you take this next.
Thanks king your comment gives me motivation!
I initially thought the humans power lvls were to high but it does make sense and I'm glad you didn't make Goku super buff to fast. Can't wait to see what happens with raditz in the next part. Great job with this
I'm glad that you did not have Goku get his potential unlocked right away because he just had it unlocked before the demon king fight
You're my favourite dragonball Whatif guy like, you have proper structuring, unique assets to each story, proper power scaling which is important for some aspect of dragonball and that sexy voice man, you're just the perfect, too bad u only have 11k subs, I'm surprised by don't have 150k already...
What if goku wasn't stupid
I got a scenario for this:
Make Grandpa Gohan a farmer.
Plot justification- Roshi's 'Turtle Hermit' training involved manual labor, including plowing fields.
Gohan incorporated this into his own physical conditioning and would teach Goku to farm as an aspect of martial arts training.
Thus Goku would learn a basic understanding of math, science, grammar, and general knowledge of society (AKA what a girl is) by selling their crops with nearby villages.
@@sheridanroad2001 I like your premise, actually.
I’d say unlocking your potential makes you from 7 to 10 times stronger
What if goku went to yardrat as a kid
(Via bulma somehow)
What if king Kai and kami switched places somehow
(King Kai being earths god with kami being a Kai)
One of the reason why Goku isn't as strong as Krilling or Gohan after their potential unlocks could be because Kami is not as good with that technique as Guru.
Another thing is that I feel like Goku would probably try to go in the room of spirit and time so that he'd be able to defeat the saiyans in their great ape form, but maybe you're saving the room for the next part because there's a chance that frieza could show up on earth.
Another banger from manga adventures! Can't wait to see how this series unfolds
What if Goten was the reincarnation of Cell?
I want this
I actually think that king piccolo having the power to unlock potential would have made for a better story. piccolo Jr not having it makes sense still, both would be more powerful when they fought raditz. they could've beaten him, making the power unlock from kami more important for the saiyins.
I think he would be a stronger one because the potential unlock takes time and you get stronger overtime and plus the humans wanna even compare even with the potential unlock Because one sure they will get stronger overtime tube but go to the saying that should explain it all 9:29
I like that Goku's at 30,000 as his kaioken x3 would only be around 27,000 anyway
A maybe better question is,.... what if Kami could ENHANCE potential?
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Uh yeah so Kid Goku gets his potential ENHANCED by Kami so every Zenkai boost makes him MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH STRONGER than they normally could...... and also all of his training gets much faster results.
So four months of training with just one zenkai boost makes him stronger than GOLDEN FRIEZA before he even talks to Raditz.
That would be interesting
@@MangaAdventures . Ofcourse that might lead to one of the two things I'm listing here.
One: GOKU accidentally kills Vegeta and Nappa both with a single basic KI BLAST and then has to bring them back to life, break their limbs,drag them over to Kami, and have both of their potentials ENHANCED even if against their will....... just so they could still be a good challenge for him someday.
Two: He accidentally kills them just as in above.... but gets Yemma and Kami to let them keep their bodies in the afterlife so they can keep getting stronger while Goku goes to Namek with Piccolo,Gohan,Bulma, and Krillin to meet the namekians...... which then becomes the easiest rescue mission ever because Frieza is killing namekians for dragon balls.
GOKU, having gotten even stronger from KAIO KEN training just because he can, accidentally kills FRIEZA with one punch before he can even transform. So he doesn't turn SSJ on Namek and never even encounters the Ginyu Force.
Beerus wakes up,Goku beats him before he can even mention SUPER SAIYAN GOD,then Goku is forced by divine law to replace Beerus as a god of destruction.
Eventually everyone wished back Vegeta and Nappa but they are still nothing to Goku so he still drags their poor butts to Kami so they can get their potentials ENHANCED and train with Goku for all eternity.
Oh wait,..... how does this effect Cell and the Android Saga?
I'm thinking of this as I type it so if you see any flaws, that is probably why.
Honestly I like the thought and research you put into your what ifs. And the fact that you reference that guru’s potential unlock is a power up that increases over time not many people understand that
@Manga Adventures,
Why didn't they wish back all of the Saiyan victims ?
like the humans in that city ?
Ngl this was pretty interesting I loved this part 1. My main hope is the humans staying relevant, Piccolo too with their powers unlocked now. Already nearing Ginyu force levels of power.
Removes the restrictions from the dragon balls and rosat
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Glad to be back
Krillin in the Namek saga peaked at around 100,000. Goku’s potential unlock peaking at 30,000 makes sense, but I think if he trained for a year in addition, Goku should at least be around 100,000.
Yeah imma need that full series ASAP chief
It is good to have you back man
Thanks! Good to be back
I know this might be a stretch but I’m curious to see what would happen if goku was created by zeno so he could have a friend I would love to see how powerful and important goku would be if you could make this possible it would be amazing
Her be too strong and the story would be boring
@@kappakiev9672 He would be too strong for OG and DBZ story.
So the What If would propel kid Goku into Super's Arcs, which be quite interesting if done right.
I will like to much
This isn’t possible or interesting
I thought for sure piccolo was going to betray goku and kill him too but this is nicely different
part 2 plzzz man
At 4:00 I was thinking Raditz would use the Oozaru and at 4:55 It happened.
This is new I'm glad I subscribed
Thanks for subscribing it means a lot
What if future gohan survived
of course raditz can do it. his father was a middling warrior but a brilliant scientist!
Finally someone covering this
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*@Manga Adventures:* all due respect, If Kami is going to Unlock the Human's Potential, he's doing it *before* the year of training.
The whole point of Potential Unlock is breaking the locks on the recipient's growth, preventing bottlenecks and allowing them to freely improve through training and battle without any need for Limit Break Events.
The immediate power boost is just a bonus
This was never stated by Guru himself or in any guides that I know of. Guru’s exact words when he uses it on Krillin in chapter 265 was “You are wasting your inner strength that still lies asleep. I can awaken it for you.” Then 2 pages later when krillin asks if he can do this to little kids as well or does it shortens guru’s life or anything guru responds “I only awakened what was yours. It has no bearing on the life I have left. If there is sleeping power I could bring it out even if it’s from a child.” Guru is clearly stating he is drawing out the power within you he doesn’t mention breaking open your limits any time he unlocks someone’s potential.
Not saying you are wrong but if you are getting this from a guide could you please send a link to which one and if you read this on a chapter page please which chapter and quote it so it’s easier for me to find I could have very well skipped over it
he could they just never thought of it.
Another great video, King!
Thanks bri
Wassup, Bandorn.
@@leisurelyindex Hey there!
Btw power level maybe closer to 50k because of the zen Kia and the potential increased over time and he had a year plus maybe another zen Kia from training
During the training arc for namek raditz should have his potential unlocked too
What if the saiyans had insane potential (like half Saiyan tier for low class and for elites, broly or Frieza tier)
Keep it up man! I didn't expect the story to go in that direction.
As far as PLs, you did it right imo. I wouldn't want Goku OP
for your enemies attack to not effect you,you need to be 2x stronger then them
I know that
@@MangaAdventures cool amd also you replied to me its an honour for you to replied to me
@@MangaAdventures i have a request for a what if can you do what if goku could hear the narrator
Can you do what if you can change the gravity on king Kai's planet pls
This is a really fun video, looking forward to part 2.
I think Goku having a PL of 30,000 makes sense for the Saiyan Arc in terms of narrative pacing, but I do think you could scale it higher without much effort.
I will assume the PL of 2500 the Goku has in the Raditz fight is him in weighted clothing based on how you worded the confrontation, and thus that his true PL would be around 3100. If we use your idea that the average zenkai gives +30%, that would mean Goku should be at a PL of 4000 after he finishes healing.
However, we know from within the narrative that he should have also been getting passively stronger from the boost during that period of time. If we use the 1.77x scaling factor you chose here (23000/13000 for Krillin), then Goku should be closer to 7100 after he gets his zenkai.
Personally, I think a ~4x improvement in 3 months is a little weak. I can see intense group training getting him to 40,000. If he trains with Piccolo, then the Androids arc shows us that all bets are off (you can argue that fusing with Nail gave Piccolo greater potential, but that's never been proven or stated in any official source).
Thus, if Goku train intensely with Piccolo and the post-unlock humans, his power level could probably be scaled anywhere from 40,000-60,000 imo (and maybe 100,000 for those people that are dead set on having a justification for feeling that way).
Yes 2500 is weighted 3000 is unweighted I rounded down the exact number is 3055. Zenkai would round him up to 4,000 overtime growth he would be 7,000 exact number is 7027.
How much stronger goku got with piccolo is unknown but we know piccolo at least caught up to around ssj level which is the same logic I used here with goku catching up to the human z fighters. Strongest human I stated was tien at 24,000 so I’m curious why you think 40,000 is a better number plus he never trained with piccolo he only trained with the humans.
If you want to say goku caught up by training by himself and using piccolo’s growth he would be 60,000 but at the same time piccolo was clearly image training and his goal was raditz and surpassing him since his Allies were stronger
Tldr I can’t see them going higher than 30,000 with no goal in mind goku got that high because his friends were his goal and he surpassed them
This was such a good vid please continue the story
what is up z fighters its manga and bitches is what i heard lmaooo
This is amazing work bro 🙌 👏
Yooooo he's back
I really like this story so far, can't wait to see where it leads.
At first like yourself I didn't think much of it, but it turned out to be really intriguing. Wonder just what you will change with these new story beats moving forward.
I feel like since raditz is there with goku and all he'll tell them about their past and stuff like he'll talk about how planet vegeta had 10× gravity and stuff and that'll probably inspire goku to ask bulma for a gravity chamber in this whatif since that is thr only scenario that would make sense since goku didnt go to king kai, also I feel like saiyans are preparing for frieza by training in the time chamber, or kami can tell them about king kai and go learn kaioken and whatnot
why not have king kai come to earth here they would use ;2 years inside the time chamber
@@surajsridhar1701 king kai Can't leave his planet tho.. so idk what u talking about
What if Kibito was like Zamasu and became Goku black or Gohan Black?
Now to be fair, 30k isn't bad at all when you consider the gains he could have gotten in gravity training. But this is great story so far and it's refreshingly new. I've seen a few times where Guru unlocked potentials but this is first time I'm seeing one for Kami.
10 to 20 thousand would be best as one it is logical he would be around here without the help of gravity training which he had in the original.
If you can please continue what if future gohan went to king kai
Here is one I haven't seen yet from anyone... Dragon ball what if the supreme Kai of time got stuck in the past and raised kid goku
What if kid goku unlocked super saiyan
This is a very interesting concept I definitely would like some more parts!