SJ Newell (Objective Believer) Discusses Mike Winger's Benny Hinn Video
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- Опубліковано 23 чер 2024
- Mike Winger did a 4.5 hour video a couple of months ago attacking Benny Hinn. In this podcast S.J. Newell and I discuss that video and his rebuttal videos.
I'm Rod Saunders, founder of Jew and Greek. I’m a musician, web developer, and a student of philosophy and economics. I recently published my first book on Amazon entitled Defending the Faith: Word of Faith Apologetics. It’s a response to the numerous charges against and misrepresentations of the Word of Faith movement and theology. I also have a CD of original music on CD Baby entitled Gates of Pearl. “Jew and Greek” is a good name because the two civilizations that influenced Western civilization the most were those of the Judeo-Christian and Greek worlds. From the Jews we received our values and a monotheistic theology, and from the Greeks we got philosophy which brought us science, sports, the arts, democracy, and economics. As a result I discuss all of the above in this blog and in my videos.
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First OB response to Winger - ua-cam.com/video/bXdbGPcE1KM/v-deo.html
Second OB response to Winger - ua-cam.com/video/MO6XJyGvemY/v-deo.html
Third OB response to Winger - ua-cam.com/video/szmlcKB5aIk/v-deo.html
Hi, if GOD gave us the HOLY. SPIRIT for decernment why does so many feel they have to do it for us, when we grow closer to the LORD by asking ourselves
On the other hand, if we have the Holy Spirit and he can teach us why do we need people to teach us? I think it’s pretty clear, especially from scripture that some are teachers and some are not and it’s the same thing with discernment. Some people do not have that gift.
@@Vern_Levinebingo. Based on his logic, Christians don't need to attend church since all of us have the Holy Spirit
@@Vern_Levine Can you give me a verse where it says regenerate Christians need human teachers?
Genuine question.
Because the following verse (mirroring Jesus's words in John 14:26 & 16:13) says the opposite...
1 John 2:27:
"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and *ye need not that any man teach you* but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him".
@@leenieledejo6849
Ephesians 4:11 “It was he who "gave gifts to people"; he appointed some to be apostles, others to be prophets, others to be evangelists, others to be pastors and teachers.
12 He did this to prepare all God's people for the work of Christian service, in order to build up the body of Christ.”
1 Timothy 2:7 (ESV):
“7 For this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying), a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth”
1 Corinthians 12:28-31 (ESV): “And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 31 But earnestly desire the higher gifts.”
Hebrews 5:12-13 (ESV): “For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food, 13 for everyone”
James 3:1-2 (ESV): “Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness. 2 For we all stumble in many ways. And if anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle his whole body.”
Love this interview, Rod. I "met" SJ because of you, and your styles, tone and deliveries truly complement one another. I have been greatly edified by your collaboration with SJ. Press on, and keep up the excellent work.
Thank you guys. Sincerely.
Please we need this often in the body of Christ. CLARIFICATION
Well done, gents! 😎👏
There's so much to appreciate about this video, but I think what resonated with me the most is SJ's highlighting of our current inability to evaluate ideas without becoming tribal or divided. This issue basically defines most online interactions and even some personal conversations. 💯
I know how we got there, but how we get out is the challenge. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I believe a good start is to encourage thoughtful, logical, and gracious dialogue while remaining conscious of what is most important and being able to love people even while disagreeing. 🧐💛
I will object to SJ Newell's metric of "how many people did one lead to the Lord" as an indicator of holy living. To use an analogy, it's a bit like giving the doctor all the credit for baby creation and formation because he delivered the baby. The process of salvation is lead by the Holy Spirit and there is no greater holiness that should be attributed to the one that contributes to any part of the process of salvation.
Love your ministry, Brother Rod! Is there a way for some of the people who watch your content get in contact with you? There's some topics that I would LOVE to hear you talk about!
My email address is on the channel banner.
God bless you both, Christian UA-cam is becoming so toxic these.days,😪 I pray you both maintain your spirit of unity and love, i commend both your channels on that
Idk who this Jew and Greek people are but Benny hinn is indefensible. If Mike wingers 4 hour video wasn’t enough check out the interview he did with Cultish which includes Benny’s nephew Costi Hinn.
As SJ pointed out in the video, Mike's video was mostly his opinions and interpretation of Benny Hinn's motives rather than actual evidence of wrongdoing. And seeing as how Costi built his whole career on bashing his uncle, I don't consider him an unimpeachable voice on the matter either.
Also I understood that it's not so much about defending Benny Hinn, but mostly having a critical look on the methods and making of Mike Wingers docu, and helping people see the facts more objectively and think for themselves. Put it into perspective a bit. They also say here in the video that they do see also negative things about Benny Hinn
Though, of course, debunking some of Mikes accusations will result in a defense of Benny Hinn in the end. And maybe rightly so.
Yeah all those people being saved through Benny Hinn’s preaching and being healed. So dishonoring to God…. Oh wait.
For all intents and purposes Mike Winger is not a “Charismatic” regardless of how he likes to present himself.
And thank God he isn’t!!!!!
He is a Christian. That's more important than being a Charismatic
@@kevinevans8892 thanks for the clarification - super helpful
@@newformofflightglad I could be of some help
@@mikemuncy7464 And thank God he's not reformed (refoaming at the mouth) I'd rather name it and claim it than refoam at the mouth.
Great interview. To be fair, Mike Winger has been rather gracious at times to Charismatics even calling Joel Osteen and Bill Johnson Brothers. So, He is not totally against Charistmatics like someone such as Justin Peter's. Examples of people on UA-cam who are Charismatics but also use discernment where needed are people such as Abendego Lufile, Torn Curtain and a few others. Even Dr Brown is Charismatic and has a strong focus on the word and the Spirit. We need both. I think so many of these discernment channels are quick to call someone a heretic without really researching their doctrines, what they believe. They just play a few second clips from a lot of these people without even really giving any context.
Love you guys, doing honest and great jobs.
Thanks!
Epic meet up.
So what do you about his nephew Costi Hinn? After all, no one would know him better than his own nephew.. If you denounce him, then what would you think is his motive? Does he have an axe to grind with Uncle Benny?
Costi is an expert on one thing - what he experienced as part of Benny Hinn's family. Nobody would question what he observed. But that doesn't mean that he knows the motives behind what Benny Hinn does. He can only speculate like Mike is doing. As for having an axe to grind, Costi has told stories about his family rejecting his wife because she doesn't speak in tongues. Add to that the fact that Costi is now a Calvinist and rejects Benny's theology.
@@JewandGreekCosti addressed the issue of lavish spending within the Hinn clan while working for his uncle. He was grieved at the way Hinn those raised funds and spent it, especially on Beverly Hills on Monday mornings. I cannot imagine anyone questioning Costi's testimony anymore than I can imagine anyone questioning the testimony of Prince Harry on what went on behind closed doors at Buckingham Palace
Winger has now seleased video with costi hinn interview
Costi has made about as much as his uncle in book sales
@@mick9371Costi Hinn will never see the kind of money his uncle has made. $100 million per year in collections? You can't be serious
Nice honest, charitable, polite and Christlike discussion of differences with a brother. May we all learn from this example.
Hinn is a charlatan
This is made clear by his decades of heresy
✝️🙌🏽🙏🏽
Im glad Kenneth Hagin was brought up in this video. Brother Hagin to his credit wrote a book a few years before he passed dealing with extremes and excesses in teaching on money, prosperity, and finances in the charismatic church. He had actually called a private meeting in Tulsa of leaders in the charismatic church before releasing the book. This included Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Jesse Duplantis, Mac Hammond, Happy Caldwell, and some othe notables. I think even Jerry Sevelle was there, I cant remember. The one guy who refused to show up was Leroy Thompson whom Ive never been a fan of. At that point the charismatic church had pretty much ballanced itself out in every area except teaching on money and prosperity. That book is worth a read. I think it was also Kenneth Hagins final prophetic warning to church leaders before he went on to be with the Lord. Not too many leaders heeded the warning. Thats what I always appreciated about Kenneth Hagin. One of the most ballanced, biblical leaders in the charismatic church weve ever had in the last 100 years. I think if Benny had been at that meeting if not at the least read that book he would be in a much better place regarding much of the controversy surrounding his ministry. Ill take shots just for saying this but I dont think Benny is a demonic false teacher. Far from it. Off on some unhealthy extremes that he needs to repent of? Definitely. But I know better than most as I know people that know him personally.
And yet these excesses continue to this day 😬
@toolegittoquit_001 unfortunately. Few heeded what was given. It's a good book though.
The book you're referring to is "The Midas Touch" correct?
@@TheFIame yup.
@@TheFreedomDefender recently ordered a bunch of Kenneth Hagin books, I need to work my way through that one.
Great discussion and view points - technically it seems so true … thanks very much.. Mike’s video is quite deceptive and perversion especially not covering the good portions.. shame on Mike !!
Exactly and Costi Hinn mimicking his uncle's voice and Winger finding it hilarious speaks volumes.
I'm not a Benny Hinn fan but I know that mockery of any sort is UnChrist-like.
The healing reveival... have you watched the "leaving the message" videos? William Branham deity cult..? What about that? What is truth there? Would appreciate some education about that. Bless
Those guys know a lot about what went on in Branham's meetings after 1960 but they make a lot of assumptions about the Healing Revival of the 40s and 50s, and want to link today's charismatics and Pentecostals to the error and extremism of that era. Gordon Lindsay and Kenneth Hagin were there, so I'll trust their account rather than the account of UA-cam discernment hacks.
@@JewandGreek ok interesting... well, for someone like me, being I the charismatic circles, thus influenced by all of that, but not knowing anything of these revivals and ministries first hand, people like them have some impact and more personal experience than me...and they seem to uncover some things about serious problems with Branham and others that noone else seems to adress. And of course, as it's connected to the roots of todays charismatic streams, it does kind of bother me.. so thats exactly the thing, like how much is true of that, how much was influenced by what, was the bad stuff only some extremist overflows or kind of later on as you suggest or more central, etc. .. it seems to me that charismatics should address these things, also the problematic things, and sort it all out well, in order to be able be confident and also healthy and growing in our walk... would be great if people like them, like the "discernment hacks" and "us" or well, people like you etc., could work together, to find out what's true and right.
@@JewandGreek I mean, at least if around the central figure of these revivals in the end a deity cult develops, we should ask questions about it, or not?
@@maxemrich8778 I did a video about Branham, detailing how he got into trouble when he got away from his calling as an evangelist and tried to be a teacher in the 1950s. He was warned and he ignored the warnings and ended up dying in a car wreck when he was 56. ua-cam.com/video/ox1G41plIw0/v-deo.html Regardless of what Branham did, it's disingenuous to try to link the charismatic movement to Branham's foolishness when virtually all charismatic leaders denounce his teachings.
Youre a hack that defends predators lol
People keep bashing prosperity, word of faith and healing preachers. The fact is no aspect of Christianity is bating a 100%, I dare say even 50%. The regular preachers keep acting like their doctrine and all is 100% correct because there is no immediate way to verify that, but let not kid ourselves over the year lots of Christian doctrine has be revise as we get older and wiser.
And what about the prophecies we are still waiting for Jesus to return 2000 years later, there is still lots of sin and failures in the church after so many year of preaching the gospel that supposed to save us all.
I don’t get how people feel so comfortably with personal criticism, as far as I can see no one really know what’s going on this earth. Everyone is working with the light they have does not mean it 100% truth.
If you have to ask youself whether or not to leave the charismatic movement for a couple of years, you've probably hopped on the wrong "word of faith movement" boat to begin with.
The scripture says test all things, when one continually speaks false prophecies that person is a false prophet, Duet 13,18 Eezk 13... I would want to see medical evidence of all the claimed healings/resurrections, God does heal and I believe the gifts are for today, however most of what is claimed is bogus if not out right deception
And you know this how?
@@raymondharris3200the Bible
@@kevinevans8892 : yep that’s true,
It’s easy to have opinions and thoughts, but the simple question is this… Based on his behavior, does Benny Hinn meet Paul’s requirements for an elder and minister? If not then none of us should be listening to him
Yes Benny does meet the qualifications. Doesn't mean he's perfect as we know he's not and neither is any elder in the body. We all have quirks and imperfections which do not disqualify us.
I don't see why he doesn't meet Biblical requirements for leadership. If he intentionally deceives people that is very bad. Certain sin are more dangerous than others by reason of their consequences.
If he sincerely repents that is good ,but he may hv lost some respect with many and need or will have to prove himself to re ceive honour and trust from those under him. Sad some have been wounded and grieving. Leadership position is no child's play God wants us to hold leaders up to a higher standard . Unfortunately we fail woefully sometimes.
Local church authority has the responsibility to see that an erring leader is rebuked ,corrected , if possible discipline, and restored but not necessarily in the capacity they may cause further harm if they slide back into error again. Habitual sin is the worst , as worst as fundamental doctrinal error.Permanent removal from Leadership position is the responsibility of the Local churches authority,they should decide on such cases by the Scriptures, the guidance of the Holy Spirit and the case at hand .
For most independent ministries this is most difficult. The man rules and dictates. He is the final authority over ' his ministry'. I can only pray and hope this time around Benny Hin will stay true and steadfast in the truth keeping away from what he said he has repented from
false prophecies/teaching disqualify him and others from leadership in the church
@@larriveemanproof please
@@spiritualdiscovery8320 May I unpack your reply because its quite long therefore dificult to reply to:
1. What are the biblical requirements for a leader?
2. Are you saying Benny Hinn intentionally deceives and if so how do you know that?
3. Nothing has been established that requires him to repent unless we can established that he is a heretic or wolf.
4. Benny Hinn is not on "another round" as far as I know. His ministry has always been in force.
Excellent discussion; so glad to see R. Saunders and S. J. Newell giving a balanced analysis of Mike Winger's attack on Benny Hinn.
You meant to say fact-based review of Hinn’s history of heresy
@@toolegittoquit_001 Benny Hinn doesn't teach heresy, unless you define heresy as anything Winger disagrees with.
@@toolegittoquit_001 : Don’t say anything unless you want Benny hinn to come after you with his “ Holy Spirit machine gun”
I think what Mike Winger meant (and I've heard other critics of Benny Hinn say as well) is that if God is healing anyone at a Benny Hinn Crusade, He is healing them "in spite" of Benny Hinn---not "because of" Benny Hinn. Winger would also probably describe himself as a "charismatic with his seat belt on". I, too, have always respected Winger for being respectful to Joel Osteen and others for not questioning their salvation and calling him a brother, even while he was critical of his ministry--because Justin Peters would condemn him to hell. I'm just not sure what his beef is with Benny Hinn, though, and why he all of a sudden has made this a hill to die on to the extent he would go on a 4 hour rant
There are a surprising number of testimonies of people even being healed through the tv screen when Benny is on. In fact, Costi Hinn recently admitted to knowing someone that happened to. So I don’t know how that would constitute God healing “in spite” of Benny in the eyes of his critics.
@@theobjectivebeliever Their reasoning is because he preaches heresy and is therefore in sin, so if God is moving, its not because of Benny
Justin Peters is a great man of God!!!!!
@@theobjectivebeliever Spoiler alert! Mike Winger just came out with another 2-hour video interviewing Costi Hinn where Costi confirmed Uncle Benny as a fraud. Who wouldn't believe his own nephew?
@@theobjectivebelieverpeople being healed at the Hinn crusades says nothing about Hinn. You get 10k true Christians together in one space and it wouldn't surprise me at all if miracles occur. You are giving too much credit to Hinn, who I am beginning to doubt is a Christian
I do agree with Mike Winger take on Hinn
I can’t listen to this bull anymore!
There is no positive!!!!
No positive w you maybe...Baptists are really really off
Benny Hinn has shipwrecked the Faith of far too many
He has zero fruit of his salvation 😒
I would encourage you to stop wording your opinions as absolute objective facts. I’m not telling you how to feel about Benny Hinn, I’m telling that your opinion isn’t the final authority.
You should have stayed Baptist!!!!!
You should be baptised on the holy spirit
@@paulc71901 Corinthians 12:13 says ALL CHRISTIANS have been baptized in the Holy Spirit.
@@paulc7190so arrogant.
Please wgy would someone stay in a group that believes very little of the New Testament