solkim23 ✊🏽 recently bought a 2017 Corvette I knew the automatic was faster they were trying to sell me on the paddle shifters but I needed a manual I love to drive the car don't want to feel like a civilian in it lol just mr
Check and see if the factory has nannies installed in the computer to keep you from powershifting. Ford had them on the 11 and up Coyote 6-Speed manuals. Disabling the factory nanny gained 3 tenths and a few MPH. Computer was closing throttle body and pulling timing when you tried to powershift.
Super legit... Goodness I'm a Mustang guy but I couldn't tell you how many times a day I say " Shit that's a beautiful Camaro/Corvette or Challenger/Charger." I really don't think there is a bad choice in American muscle right now. We are down to splitting hairs on the track and they are all faster than most of know how or should drive! When your in a world where you are arguing fast and it's an 11.8 vs 11.6 stock, it's a great world to be in! The only thing I dislike on any of the forums etc are the fanboys that say "ohhh my Hellcat/ZL1 or GT500 whoops your Scatpack/SS or GT's ass.... " no shit lol! That's like hearing a guy in a Scatpack say how he whooped that Honda Accords ass! Congrats....Apples to oranges.
Lensync7 I couldn't agree with you any more. Ive always hated when people get their panties soo much in a bunch when they see a "lesser" model then theirs running a fast time. I have a procharged civic as well (but the single slammer) and I would get soo much flame for spending so much money on a "slow car". I would have to hear all of the "why didn't you get an Si, o my Si would smoke that shit" comments. And I always try to remind people why we buy our rides. Not everyone wants the faster model. Even beforr progressed, I got/still get 600-620miles with the 13.2gallon tank the car gas and still run a 13.2@107mph. That isn't bad at all. Anyways I also have a zl1 and I know how it feels to have those baby dick mofos scrutinizing you for not having the top model. I show love to all. Even 4banger maro/stang guys. Anything can be made fast. We all can't drive the top models, but we all don't want to. People just want to justify their worth and will look down on others if their ride isn't as fast or equipped. So I feel you on that Fam I really do
This is great comment section. Been a Ford guy since birth with dad owning an 89 LX convertible mustang (4 cylinder) red with black top. Was the most beautiful car I've ever seen when I was 9 years old. I had an 88 LX and 86 GT since. And so many other cars too but Now a 17 Focus ST but next car definitely a Mustang. Point is, if I told you I didn't love a Challenger or Camaro I'd be a damn liar. Hell I've owned a 2000 Grand Prix GT I was in love with. Can't we just all get along? Lol
In terms of performance , you won't go wrong with any one. Personally I love to build my car and I own a SRT392 for that reason, because I would love my choice of blown engine. But today I'm here to say that whether its a Camaro, Mustang or Mopar, they are equally capable of beating each other on track. Not always the one with higher horsepower is strongest, but the witty one wins the race with a proper driver mod. Mods are not always to add power but also to shred unwanted baggage from the car. And some mods might not add power but might affect quarter miles. Nice videos, definitely a lot to take from it. Thanks for the share.
I love it when someone makes an HONEST video about muscle cars. I own a Camaro, love it, tried a Mustang and didn’t. Doesn’t mean the Camaro was faster, I just liked it better. I do have to say the Camaro seems to handle better but that’s me. Whatever you drive, drive it because you like it!
The New pony cars are nice, but so is my 6th Gen Camaro SS .. LOL but we agree that the top three US Muscle cars have really upped there game with more to come.
Why are you apologizing for liking the Mustang? It is a nice car, I drove and like it. I still chose an SS 1LE, but the new Mustang does a lot of things well.
1. I don't care if the automatic is faster I would still take a manual. 2. If someone bought me a brand new Camaro or a brand new Mustang I would be happy either way because they're both amazing cars.
I don't know why this video has so many dislikes. It's a straight up, down to earth, apples to apples comparison. I've always been a Camaro guy, but nothing said here is untrue. Way to go, Matt.
Great video man. Just earned yourself a new sub. I liked how you are a Camaro guy but aren’t completely biased and realize there’s good things/better things about both. Personally I’m a mustang guy but hell, I’m not against ever owning a Camaro. Good video man
That 10 speed helped the mustang substantially. I believe they produce most of their power in a smaller RPM window which more gears helped them stay in those RPMs. The Camaro pulls better throughout the RPM range.
Matt I love your position being neutral. I am a big fan of Americans cars and tue same as you love all of them. Thank you for your videos. Always is a pleasure watching them. Waiting for your new video with the new driveshaft.
I dont hate the other muscle cars either. When I see them out on the road i always notice how good they all look. Makes me wonder what people are thinking when they spend muscle car money on a Malibu or Altima or a honda type r, ford focus rs, or a truck lol. I know people need trucks and other people like hot hatchbacks but for that money you can get v8 muscle power lol. Hope you run sub 10 second next time out.
Ik lol I want one so bad some day. Preferably a mustang I suppose since admittedly I am a ford guy for kind of a funny and dumb reason. But for now I need a truck for towing my work trailer and so on. But my f150 has the same 5.0 as a mustang with just slight changes to add low end power for towing, etc. and dang it sounds delicious. Good power too, i could only imagine how powerful it will feel in a 2000 lb lighter vehichle. And thanks to the Shelby gt350 and camaro zl1 and dodge demon, America's muscle cars are putting better track and drag numbers on the board than basically anything else in the world right now. Bravo America!!!
For the most part, it's the same engine. Just different cams to gear the engine for more low end power. But if I already think it's the best sounding v8 I've seen in person, and the mustang has that engine but better exhaust, then that sounds really awesome to me. But good point.
I love everything about the 2018 mustang except for that front end. I've tried to let it grow on me. I've seen it in person in literally every color more than once. I just don't like it. In my eyes, the front end looks more like droopy eyes than a mean agressive look. Idk...
I understand a lot of people buy Camaros and Mustangs to go down the straight line but can you tell me what car gives you the best performance if you want to put it on the track and really build your driving skills up do you like the Mustang Camaro which one really performs do you think the 5th gen can hang with all up-to-date cars on a racetrack
Nathan Torraville Shut the fuck . Your inner female is coming out. “I just think it’s funny when” and listening to only what you want to listen to, he obviously said “I’m putting all that aside”, little bitch.
Just recently bought an '18 GT Performance Pack in manual ans completely love it. Honestly, I ALMOST bought a Camaro SS 1LE but hated the visibility and the trunk space. The main thing that ruined it for me was the viz though but I have to say the GT is plenty fast and fun for me. So far loving it
i've seen quite a few people trade in their stangs for the maro but im curious in buying a stang one day. i love all cars i just hate the price lol im actually an import fan but bought my first American muscle last year and so far i love my camaro. i had one bad 800hp 350z but wanted to try something different and i gotta say america is stepping up their game.
@@wahiawabound808 Same, I have seen many people trading their newer camaro, for the mustang. Matter of fact, I wanted to buy a camaro, but then I saw one dude trying to trade in his camaro that he bought few months ago, for a mustang.
I've been a Mustang man since 1987. However all American muscle car enthusiast respect any and all American true musclecars including the Camaros and the Dodge lineup. It is exciting indeed to see The Return of the horsepower battle right out of the factory which is amazing. Just to think my first Mustang GT came out of the factory with 225 horsepower LOL and now you can take them off the dealer lot with more than double that, wow. Thanks for posting this video and keeping it real. So many people because they are in such competition with one car or another totally block anything truthful because when they put their heads on the pillow at night they have to win LOL but I'm just amazed to see how these cars have evolved over the years and so happy that they are making them so nice now. These are truly real sports cars now and technically speaking you don't have to add anything to them which is remarkable. Once again thanks for the video and you have an awesome looking car.
Cool video. I'm a Mustang guy(2009 Shelby GT500 and also an 18 Mustang GT) but the reality is like you said they're all building some really nice and pretty evenly matched cars over the last 3 or 4 years.....I'm hoping it stays this way a while longer. BTW nice build on your Camaro. I'll be checking in to see if you can get her into the 9's.
Hey Matt ever get any of the Yenko Camaro's out that way racing? I work in a small town in Ohio that has a local dealership that seems to sell these $100k Camaro's like hot cakes. I know they ship them all over the country. One of the local guys just bought the special edition version that is 1000hp while the normal ones are 800. I know they fall into special edition but just wondering if you have seen any at the track?
I'm with most people here. I enjoy and really like all cars, especially Muscle cars. It's fun to see some friendly rivalry. What I don't like is when the rivalry becomes unfriendly and almost violent. We don't have time for that. It's childish. I drive a Challenger Hellcat with 6 speed manual. I know automatics are faster, but I am all about just enjoying my car in my own little life. I always compliment others if I see another nice car. Respect for others goes a long way in life.💪
Agree, got to love all muscle cars. We live in a great generation where these cars a representing and dominating for the money! The 6th gen camaro looks amazing to me! Love that redesign on how aggressive it looks.
I agree bud. I like them all. I know the camaro is track king and the Dodge looks closest to the classic. I respect them all. Even a LS Powered RX-7. If I had a huge garage and the ching. I'd have one of each.
Great unbiased look at both cars. I think the reason the Mustang community is lacking in drag racing is because Ford is also shifting to more of a driver's car. These cars are amazing and fast. If i could afford ine of each i would. I am an Owner of a GT350R and a road course guy not drag racer and I am active on the forums and there is definitely a shift.
Appreciated the video. My last car was a 99 Z28 that put down 470WHP. That was super impressive for the setup. Like you've said, now that's not even that impressive anymore given what these new cars can do. Considering finding a sixth generation car with a six speed stick. Any info on what those cars do? Would probably just do a full exhaust on it and run it.
I’d like to see a move from drag racing exclusively in these cars and getting to be more GTE type racers. It would open them up to more competition. Great video.
I️ am a 2013 Mustang GT owner. I️ also love all American Muscle. I️ think if people spent less time hating and more time collaborating that would be good. The sound of a V8 is intoxicating no matter what camp it comes from. My 6 year old is the same way haha. Were both going down the road calling out “Mustang, Camaro , Challenger etc. Lol Nice vid!! Stock number are very important as I️ don’t have a lot to invest after the initial purchase.
That was good man. Like you, I love all Muscle. I also love the factory turbo imports (I own a 2006 WRX). Muscle and awd's are very different. I am a Mustang guy at heart and will own a gt500 one day. Aside from all that, keep making the all inclusive Muscle videos. I think the Camaro Z/28 a few years back was awesome, and the ZL1's are fantastic.
Im with you. Give me any current muscle car and I will be a happy guy. That being said i ordered a 18Gt 10 speed auto, performance pkg, magneride, active exhaust,digital dash. Nothing against the Camero I just feel the Mustang is a little easier to live with as a daily driver and I dont track my cars. If I tracked them I would say Camero all day long and would probably get the 1le. Thats just where I fell. Got a delivery date of 3/5 cant wait! Great video!
I used to be a Mustang fanboy until I came across your channel; so much so that I'm actively shopping for a used Camaro. I still like both cars, but the Camaro just looks meaner. Mustang is more comfortable and has better visibility, but for a toy, I like the Camaro more.
Refreshing perspective. We are living in awesome times for performance cars, like no time ever in history. Soak it in, enjoy it....it may be gone soon!
Reason i ask is because i wanna go from my dual exhaust to the quad exhaust and i found a SS quad exhaust for a decent price, so before i spend money i wanna know if i can swap it with out any complications
MOST H8D I was just going to mention that. Not sure if this dude knows who "Evan J. Smith" is, but Evan is always good for a tenth or 2 over anyone else behind the wheel.
Ford is sandbagging on the horsepower numbers. Its more like 480 hp. They always under rate their engines. The old 2005 was more like 325 hp. Advertised as 300 hp. 500 hp GT 500s run about 11.7 with slicks and 6 speed. 11.9 on stock tires
American muscle will always have my heart coming from a Mustang Fan. Love all of them. Camaro, Challengers, Chargers, Mustangs although I Drive a STI as my daily, gotta love New York winters lol, the weekend warrior is my 03 Mustang GT that I’ve built over the years.
This was a really good non biased review. I am also a camaro guy but honestly....there really isn't that big of a difference in the 2 when it comes to the 1/4. Damn near equal. What I like about the SS is it's no lift shift option for the manual. That's something I said for some time before it came out on the 6th gen that needed to be done along with having at the least 450hp. I don't see the 10R80 only being an option for the higher end models though. I see it being used in this next refresh considering Ford and GM together designed it and GM is going to utilize it in the SS for sure and I honestly think it will close the gap in performance in 1/4 against the mustang. Really digging the amount of awesomeness coming from both sides of the competition these days for sure. I got love for all 3 of the big 3.
Another factor to consider though when trying to compare the times posted in 2016 by a stock Camaro is that GM may have improved the tune a little on the 2018. So it may be a little quicker then the previous model even though it is still a 6th gen.
Both are great cars. I work for a GM dealer and I still chose the new 5.0 just because I feel like the interior is better quality and I got a great deal on mine.. kona blue.. digital dash.. pp1 401a car.. leather/heated/cooled seats heated wheel, premium sound system, blue stitching etc. And the fact that you can spin these motors to 7500 stock blows my mind. Both are beautiful cars I guess its just preference
motor trend just did a comparison of the 2018 mustang gt 10 speed and a 2017 camaro ss 8 speed and they said in every way the camaro still beats out the mustang that with performance pack level 1 and they will soon test the mustang when the performance pack level 2 becomes available.
Both were manual cars, but even then it looks like a 1SS with the M6 is neck and neck with a PP 5.0 given that it’s lighter than a 1LE which helps for straight line acceleration, probably even with the PP around the turns also.
They compared stick cars but in stick car varrient the camaro kills the manual 5.0 because the camaro makes way better torque and around the track the camaro was 3 seconds faster
The 1le has far better tires. Look at the tire size on both cars front to back. Way more grip. Besides that there really isn't much difference in set up from weight, HP, tq, besides chassis tuning. And I can't remember if in that comparison if the Mustang had magneride suspension. Doesn't the 1le come with it?
Tires on the 1lE make the difference in track Times... 305's on each corner...ultra high performance rating Mustang 255 fronts and 275 rears.. Big difference in size and compound Camaro is a great car with awesome performance numbers.. But a regular SS alines with a PP1 optioned Mustang
I got a stock mustang gt and I ran a stockish 2017 ss. The only reason I went with the Gt was the stock motor holds way more power than a ss. Both are fast cars tho
I tell you what impressed the f out of me, I drove from Philly to Cape May, Nj (105 miles), and I averaged over 31mpg. That's crazy for a muscle car. That's with my 17 2ss no mods. In a 6.2v8. It's fast enough already for me but those mpg's ....wow.
Wasn't that a Facebook post ? I've been watching the 1/4 race for a while and the 11.7 owner never popped up on camaro6. Facebook is the only place where I've seen that time. At the same time no one else has been able to reproduce what Evan did in the mustang. It is early though.
I'd like to see a test on a 6th gen Camaro v6 with a supercharger and full exhaust.... I can't find more than Rev videos on them. I want to see quarter mile runs!
The first race out of the gate in late May was the Ford Motorsport Nationals, the third stop on the NMRA tour and Tobener instantly set the quickest time for a S550-based Mustang. It wasn’t the kind of big deal that some would make it out to be since Tobener had all sorts of little teething problems as it was the car’s first time on the drag strip. Two more events went by, the NMCA competition at Beech Bend Raceway and the NMRA stop in Ohio, and Tobener made adjustments to the chassis and going quicker each time. In just the fourth outing and less than 30 runs on the new car, Tobener eclipsed the 7-second barrier with his 2015 Mustang GT. He ran 7.991 at 171.45 mph during the final round of qualifying for Edelbrock Xtreme Street during the NMRA race in Indianapolis.
I feel like my 2010 GT is fast. I know these newer muscle cars are faster. I already lost badly to a new 5.0... My car will still clobber 90% of the cars on the road and it's my favorite body style.. I got the black premium with the Track Pack. It will run son..
Im a recent convert to camaro, coming from stang. The A10 has entirely different gearing, and will be quicker, this is why the zl1 and vette have it. Its an excellent trans, i still prefer to row my shifts.
go back and watch some vintage racing from late 60s and early 70s. we built our cars like crazy and had a hard time getting to the numbers we get off the lot now. I LOVE it. Chev all the way, sorry rest of you guys, just the way it is.
Well that intro was awkward.... Forgot to edit it out ;(
Should have just gone ahead and shown the bong hits that transpired in the minutes before the video starts.
Proud to say I don’t do drugs. I just never sleep.
At some point, the effect is the same. : )
LethalGarage is
Lmr is late model racecraft not restoration
Mustangs, Camaros, Chalengers
It’s all american muscle and it’s all good.
From a Mustang guy
camaros and mustangs are pony cars while challengers are proper muscle cars.
@ZL1 Exorcist yes they are
Except it's not. It's am eri can crap.
@@beluga8851 boats are muscle cars?
@@beluga8851 why are they slower
Automatic is faster but I enjoy driving a manual much better
amen!
solkim23 ✊🏽 recently bought a 2017 Corvette I knew the automatic was faster they were trying to sell me on the paddle shifters but I needed a manual I love to drive the car don't want to feel like a civilian in it lol just mr
Check and see if the factory has nannies installed in the computer to keep you from powershifting. Ford had them on the 11 and up Coyote 6-Speed manuals. Disabling the factory nanny gained 3 tenths and a few MPH. Computer was closing throttle body and pulling timing when you tried to powershift.
solkim23 who the fuck told you that I got burned by a 50yo.....my uncle 😡
solkim23 me too
Super legit... Goodness I'm a Mustang guy but I couldn't tell you how many times a day I say " Shit that's a beautiful Camaro/Corvette or Challenger/Charger." I really don't think there is a bad choice in American muscle right now. We are down to splitting hairs on the track and they are all faster than most of know how or should drive! When your in a world where you are arguing fast and it's an 11.8 vs 11.6 stock, it's a great world to be in! The only thing I dislike on any of the forums etc are the fanboys that say "ohhh my Hellcat/ZL1 or GT500 whoops your Scatpack/SS or GT's ass.... " no shit lol! That's like hearing a guy in a Scatpack say how he whooped that Honda Accords ass! Congrats....Apples to oranges.
Lensync7 I couldn't agree with you any more. Ive always hated when people get their panties soo much in a bunch when they see a "lesser" model then theirs running a fast time. I have a procharged civic as well (but the single slammer) and I would get soo much flame for spending so much money on a "slow car". I would have to hear all of the "why didn't you get an Si, o my Si would smoke that shit" comments. And I always try to remind people why we buy our rides. Not everyone wants the faster model. Even beforr progressed, I got/still get 600-620miles with the 13.2gallon tank the car gas and still run a 13.2@107mph. That isn't bad at all. Anyways I also have a zl1 and I know how it feels to have those baby dick mofos scrutinizing you for not having the top model. I show love to all. Even 4banger maro/stang guys. Anything can be made fast. We all can't drive the top models, but we all don't want to. People just want to justify their worth and will look down on others if their ride isn't as fast or equipped. So I feel you on that Fam I really do
Lensync7 same here!
This is great comment section. Been a Ford guy since birth with dad owning an 89 LX convertible mustang (4 cylinder) red with black top. Was the most beautiful car I've ever seen when I was 9 years old. I had an 88 LX and 86 GT since. And so many other cars too but Now a 17 Focus ST but next car definitely a Mustang. Point is, if I told you I didn't love a Challenger or Camaro I'd be a damn liar. Hell I've owned a 2000 Grand Prix GT I was in love with. Can't we just all get along? Lol
Well if you get a 6 cyl that's a bad choice lmao
In terms of performance , you won't go wrong with any one. Personally I love to build my car and I own a SRT392 for that reason, because I would love my choice of blown engine. But today I'm here to say that whether its a Camaro, Mustang or Mopar, they are equally capable of beating each other on track. Not always the one with higher horsepower is strongest, but the witty one wins the race with a proper driver mod. Mods are not always to add power but also to shred unwanted baggage from the car. And some mods might not add power but might affect quarter miles. Nice videos, definitely a lot to take from it. Thanks for the share.
I can remember when low 13,s was quick...factory 11 second cars is just awesome.
lol i was at the track this weekend and i brought this up. its crazy what is now "slow". But still fast.
Breath of fresh air in the camaro/mustang comparisons. Good job keeping it based on facts and not being ignorant. Sick car by the way.
I’m exactly like you. I love all American muscle cars. The thing I don’t like is when people want to kill each other to show which is better haha
The Challenger is the last standing "real" muscle car. The Camaro and Mustang are more sports cars than anything else.
11.8-11.9 stock base cars with V8's damn! What a time to be alive.
I love it when someone makes an HONEST video about muscle cars. I own a Camaro, love it, tried a Mustang and didn’t. Doesn’t mean the Camaro was faster, I just liked it better. I do have to say the Camaro seems to handle better but that’s me. Whatever you drive, drive it because you like it!
Im a ford guy but i do appreciate american muscle will have no issue owning either one
These cars both the mustang and camaro with simple mods are performing at the level 300k supercars were 8-10 years ago in my mind that's crazy
The New pony cars are nice, but so is my 6th Gen Camaro SS .. LOL but we agree that the top three US Muscle cars have really upped there game with more to come.
Why are you apologizing for liking the Mustang? It is a nice car, I drove and like it. I still chose an SS 1LE, but the new Mustang does a lot of things well.
I run a Camaro channel...
Kell m - And it goes around corners better as well…..
It’s really cool to see how evenly matched these cars are.
And the rivalry continues !!!!
Love it.
Great video
1. I don't care if the automatic is faster I would still take a manual.
2. If someone bought me a brand new Camaro or a brand new Mustang I would be happy either way because they're both amazing cars.
Yankee 1985 same finally Someone that don’t hate
Same. M6 is so much fun.
Per 1 yeah but it’s so much slower
I don't know why this video has so many dislikes. It's a straight up, down to earth, apples to apples comparison. I've always been a Camaro guy, but nothing said here is untrue. Way to go, Matt.
Great video man. Just earned yourself a new sub. I liked how you are a Camaro guy but aren’t completely biased and realize there’s good things/better things about both. Personally I’m a mustang guy but hell, I’m not against ever owning a Camaro. Good video man
That 10 speed helped the mustang substantially. I believe they produce most of their power in a smaller RPM window which more gears helped them stay in those RPMs. The Camaro pulls better throughout the RPM range.
Matt I love your position being neutral. I am a big fan of Americans cars and tue same as you love all of them. Thank you for your videos. Always is a pleasure watching them. Waiting for your new video with the new driveshaft.
I dont hate the other muscle cars either. When I see them out on the road i always notice how good they all look. Makes me wonder what people are thinking when they spend muscle car money on a Malibu or Altima or a honda type r, ford focus rs, or a truck lol. I know people need trucks and other people like hot hatchbacks but for that money you can get v8 muscle power lol. Hope you run sub 10 second next time out.
Cause people have different tastes and preferences? what you may find amazing might be lackluster to me. All about preferences at the end of the day.
Ik lol I want one so bad some day. Preferably a mustang I suppose since admittedly I am a ford guy for kind of a funny and dumb reason. But for now I need a truck for towing my work trailer and so on. But my f150 has the same 5.0 as a mustang with just slight changes to add low end power for towing, etc. and dang it sounds delicious. Good power too, i could only imagine how powerful it will feel in a 2000 lb lighter vehichle. And thanks to the Shelby gt350 and camaro zl1 and dodge demon, America's muscle cars are putting better track and drag numbers on the board than basically anything else in the world right now. Bravo America!!!
Benton Kranz they have different cams in that truck 5.0 from the factory. I wanna say it's just either intake or exhaust. Not both.
For the most part, it's the same engine. Just different cams to gear the engine for more low end power. But if I already think it's the best sounding v8 I've seen in person, and the mustang has that engine but better exhaust, then that sounds really awesome to me. But good point.
Dude I think this too, I'm like you wasted all that money on a truck?! WTF?! lol
I couldn’t have said it any better myself. These are great cars and produce crazy numbers to be stock.
I love everything about the 2018 mustang except for that front end. I've tried to let it grow on me. I've seen it in person in literally every color more than once. I just don't like it. In my eyes, the front end looks more like droopy eyes than a mean agressive look. Idk...
I have a 2016 GT. Wouldn't trade it for a new one. Can't get excited about the nose
I hate how they look in the front too. Mine is the only color combo I found that makes it look good (oxford white with the black accent pkge)
I understand a lot of people buy Camaros and Mustangs to go down the straight line but can you tell me what car gives you the best performance if you want to put it on the track and really build your driving skills up do you like the Mustang Camaro which one really performs do you think the 5th gen can hang with all up-to-date cars on a racetrack
sean gooden the zl1 and the CTS-V are track cars
Another awesome video!!! Thank you for being a humble and honest person..
Spot on , Thanks for a great video - Keep up the great work.... !!
Definitely the way to look at cars. Leave the hate behind. It's bad for all of us. Great job!
I just think its funny when he said he tries to be non-biased yet has a poster of a Camaro, Camaro plate, and a "Camaro Parking Only" sign lolol
(yes i Know he said he prefers Camaro)
Fairly sure I wasn't biased with all those things int he background.
Being non biased doesn't mean you can't like something. It means you can report facts about a subject not your opinion.
Nathan Torraville Shut the fuck . Your inner female is coming out. “I just think it’s funny when” and listening to only what you want to listen to, he obviously said “I’m putting all that aside”, little bitch.
You obviously didn’t listen to what he said try watching it again without your own bias
Just recently bought an '18 GT Performance Pack in manual ans completely love it. Honestly, I ALMOST bought a Camaro SS 1LE but hated the visibility and the trunk space. The main thing that ruined it for me was the viz though but I have to say the GT is plenty fast and fun for me. So far loving it
I literally can't see shit out of a Camaro. lol
I hope you'll develop some loyalty to the Stang cause this rivalry is very serious
i've seen quite a few people trade in their stangs for the maro but im curious in buying a stang one day. i love all cars i just hate the price lol im actually an import fan but bought my first American muscle last year and so far i love my camaro. i had one bad 800hp 350z but wanted to try something different and i gotta say america is stepping up their game.
@@wahiawabound808
Same, I have seen many people trading their newer camaro, for the mustang. Matter of fact, I wanted to buy a camaro, but then I saw one dude trying to trade in his camaro that he bought few months ago, for a mustang.
I've been a Mustang man since 1987. However all American muscle car enthusiast respect any and all American true musclecars including the Camaros and the Dodge lineup. It is exciting indeed to see The Return of the horsepower battle right out of the factory which is amazing. Just to think my first Mustang GT came out of the factory with 225 horsepower LOL and now you can take them off the dealer lot with more than double that, wow. Thanks for posting this video and keeping it real. So many people because they are in such competition with one car or another totally block anything truthful because when they put their heads on the pillow at night they have to win LOL but I'm just amazed to see how these cars have evolved over the years and so happy that they are making them so nice now. These are truly real sports cars now and technically speaking you don't have to add anything to them which is remarkable. Once again thanks for the video and you have an awesome looking car.
Cool video. I'm a Mustang guy(2009 Shelby GT500 and also an 18 Mustang GT) but the reality is like you said they're all building some really nice and pretty evenly matched cars over the last 3 or 4 years.....I'm hoping it stays this way a while longer. BTW nice build on your Camaro. I'll be checking in to see if you can get her into the 9's.
It should happen
11 seconds for a stock muscle car! Unreal! Awesome vid👍as usual!!
Hey Matt ever get any of the Yenko Camaro's out that way racing? I work in a small town in Ohio that has a local dealership that seems to sell these $100k Camaro's like hot cakes. I know they ship them all over the country. One of the local guys just bought the special edition version that is 1000hp while the normal ones are 800. I know they fall into special edition but just wondering if you have seen any at the track?
I'm with most people here. I enjoy and really like all cars, especially Muscle cars. It's fun to see some friendly rivalry. What I don't like is when the rivalry becomes unfriendly and almost violent. We don't have time for that. It's childish. I drive a Challenger Hellcat with 6 speed manual. I know automatics are faster, but I am all about just enjoying my car in my own little life. I always compliment others if I see another nice car. Respect for others goes a long way in life.💪
I'm more of a mustang guy , but chevy needs to fix that new front end in a hurry !!!
It’s not bad man, it looks way better in person.
Good video, I love all American muscle/sport cars and they all look good.
Great stuff. I’m tired of people hating on each other just cause of what they drive. Great cars.
My 2019 Camaro SS has the 10 speed auto. Would be fun to see how it runs against the gt 10spd 🤔
Gotta love it, fantastic muscle cars under 70K straight out the factory, competing against the high priced foreign cars!!! That is the way I see it.
What does DA stand For? I know it's the pressure but just wondering
Agree, got to love all muscle cars. We live in a great generation where these cars a representing and dominating for the money! The 6th gen camaro looks amazing to me! Love that redesign on how aggressive it looks.
When did you put that spoiler on? Do you have an install video for it?
Not yet, it’s a spoiler I have been testing
It's Badass! on your car! I love it.... It really sets it off
Less than a tenth... not bad. Competition is good for the customers... really good.
Good for banks you mean...
Love the videos dude
I’m just happy Americans are designing great cars again. I’m a mustang guy for 30 years. All these new muscle cars/pony cars are beast mode!! USA USA
I agree bud. I like them all. I know the camaro is track king and the Dodge looks closest to the classic. I respect them all. Even a LS Powered RX-7. If I had a huge garage and the ching. I'd have one of each.
Great unbiased look at both cars. I think the reason the Mustang community is lacking in drag racing is because Ford is also shifting to more of a driver's car. These cars are amazing and fast. If i could afford ine of each i would. I am an Owner of a GT350R and a road course guy not drag racer and I am active on the forums and there is definitely a shift.
Good perspective.
What's your take, if you have one, on the 10 speed auto in the Stang vs. the 8 speed auto in the Camaro?
8 speed auto 18 camaro ss
made me cry, thought you had this race lined up, side by side on an actual track lol
exactly....click bait video and funny to believe people want to listen to this dude talk for 12 minutes. BYE
Appreciated the video. My last car was a 99 Z28 that put down 470WHP. That was super impressive for the setup. Like you've said, now that's not even that impressive anymore given what these new cars can do. Considering finding a sixth generation car with a six speed stick. Any info on what those cars do? Would probably just do a full exhaust on it and run it.
Get a Corvette instead
I’d like to see a move from drag racing exclusively in these cars and getting to be more GTE type racers. It would open them up to more competition. Great video.
Mustang guy here. Great video. Thanks for the honest numbers
I️ am a 2013 Mustang GT owner. I️ also love all American Muscle. I️ think if people spent less time hating and more time collaborating that would be good. The sound of a V8 is intoxicating no matter what camp it comes from. My 6 year old is the same way haha. Were both going down the road calling out “Mustang, Camaro , Challenger etc. Lol Nice vid!! Stock number are very important as I️ don’t have a lot to invest after the initial purchase.
What's in the performance pack?
That was good man. Like you, I love all Muscle. I also love the factory turbo imports (I own a 2006 WRX). Muscle and awd's are very different. I am a Mustang guy at heart and will own a gt500 one day. Aside from all that, keep making the all inclusive Muscle videos. I think the Camaro Z/28 a few years back was awesome, and the ZL1's are fantastic.
hum negative Matt, there's a post of someone who ran 11.84 stock on the forum. I don't think he's a member and it was posted on facebook
Im with you. Give me any current muscle car and I will be a happy guy. That being said i ordered a 18Gt 10 speed auto, performance pkg, magneride, active exhaust,digital dash. Nothing against the Camero I just feel the Mustang is a little easier to live with as a daily driver and I dont track my cars. If I tracked them I would say Camero all day long and would probably get the 1le. Thats just where I fell. Got a delivery date of 3/5 cant wait! Great video!
I used to be a Mustang fanboy until I came across your channel; so much so that I'm actively shopping for a used Camaro. I still like both cars, but the Camaro just looks meaner. Mustang is more comfortable and has better visibility, but for a toy, I like the Camaro more.
Refreshing perspective. We are living in awesome times for performance cars, like no time ever in history. Soak it in, enjoy it....it may be gone soon!
How much money do u hv in ur car so far and how much power is it putting out?
Great non-bias review!
Great video!👍
Very surprising to see a clear camaro fan thats not dead set on being as biased against a mustang as possible.
Great video man...
Great video and beautiful Camaro.
Whether your and Ford, Chevy or Dodge guy it's a great time in history to be a American car guy!
You found 1 hero run for the Mustang. Take the top 5 of each and see who has the faster average. Keep up the good videos.
That was the point of the video. People only want to know what it’s potential is, not an average.
Great commentary and I agree What a Great time to be a Car guy !
good review Matt :)
Reason i ask is because i wanna go from my dual exhaust to the quad exhaust and i found a SS quad exhaust for a decent price, so before i spend money i wanna know if i can swap it with out any complications
camaro needs the 10 speed auto
Camaro SS* needs a A10 :) Yes.
I'm sure they're going to add it to the refresh, it's going to be sick fast with it!
Also the zo6
The SS is getting it In 2019 with the new look
Auto's may be a bit faster but which one (manuals) is the most fun to drive? Spoken like a true 66-year-old.
John Capizola Hell yea Manuals forever idgaf how much faster the autos are lhh
Amen brother !!
Most likely the Stang
I bet you like cars without power steering too.
Dan Davis Haha....ya nothing like joe average manual driver chirpping.
With Evan behind the wheel it doesn't surprise me. One of the baddest drag racers of all time.
MOST H8D I was just going to mention that. Not sure if this dude knows who "Evan J. Smith" is, but Evan is always good for a tenth or 2 over anyone else behind the wheel.
Ford is sandbagging on the horsepower numbers. Its more like 480 hp. They always under rate their engines.
The old 2005 was more like 325 hp. Advertised as 300 hp.
500 hp GT 500s run about 11.7 with slicks and 6 speed. 11.9 on stock tires
I like you're honest unbiased opinion. I am a Ford guy. Fireball is most likely a deep 7 car now. I hope u get your 9sec pass. Be safe
Great video. In the end I went with 1SLE. Love the low end torque and super fun Tremec m6.
American muscle will always have my heart coming from a Mustang Fan. Love all of them. Camaro, Challengers, Chargers, Mustangs although I Drive a STI as my daily, gotta love New York winters lol, the weekend warrior is my 03 Mustang GT that I’ve built over the years.
This was a really good non biased review. I am also a camaro guy but honestly....there really isn't that big of a difference in the 2 when it comes to the 1/4. Damn near equal. What I like about the SS is it's no lift shift option for the manual. That's something I said for some time before it came out on the 6th gen that needed to be done along with having at the least 450hp. I don't see the 10R80 only being an option for the higher end models though. I see it being used in this next refresh considering Ford and GM together designed it and GM is going to utilize it in the SS for sure and I honestly think it will close the gap in performance in 1/4 against the mustang. Really digging the amount of awesomeness coming from both sides of the competition these days for sure. I got love for all 3 of the big 3.
Another factor to consider though when trying to compare the times posted in 2016 by a stock Camaro is that GM may have improved the tune a little on the 2018. So it may be a little quicker then the previous model even though it is still a 6th gen.
As of now, no runs with 18s have been faster.
Both are great cars. I work for a GM dealer and I still chose the new 5.0 just because I feel like the interior is better quality and I got a great deal on mine.. kona blue.. digital dash.. pp1 401a car.. leather/heated/cooled seats heated wheel, premium sound system, blue stitching etc. And the fact that you can spin these motors to 7500 stock blows my mind. Both are beautiful cars I guess its just preference
How did they get 11.9? I did a 12.9 last nighy
motor trend just did a comparison of the 2018 mustang gt 10 speed and a 2017 camaro ss 8 speed and they said in every way the camaro still beats out the mustang that with performance pack level 1 and they will soon test the mustang when the performance pack level 2 becomes available.
Not relevant to this conversation. This is 1/4 mile racing: if you read the fine print MTs testsfor data are with manual cars.
Both were manual cars, but even then it looks like a 1SS with the M6 is neck and neck with a PP 5.0 given that it’s lighter than a 1LE which helps for straight line acceleration, probably even with the PP around the turns also.
They compared stick cars but in stick car varrient the camaro kills the manual 5.0 because the camaro makes way better torque and around the track the camaro was 3 seconds faster
The 1le has far better tires. Look at the tire size on both cars front to back. Way more grip. Besides that there really isn't much difference in set up from weight, HP, tq, besides chassis tuning. And I can't remember if in that comparison if the Mustang had magneride suspension. Doesn't the 1le come with it?
Tires on the 1lE make the difference in track Times...
305's on each corner...ultra high performance rating
Mustang 255 fronts and 275 rears..
Big difference in size and compound
Camaro is a great car with awesome performance numbers..
But a regular SS alines with a PP1 optioned Mustang
I got a stock mustang gt and I ran a stockish 2017 ss. The only reason I went with the Gt was the stock motor holds way more power than a ss. Both are fast cars tho
Unfortunately a lot of GT owners believe that. A lot of them pop if you hit lap the car.
which one faster for 1/4 mile
I tell you what impressed the f out of me, I drove from Philly to Cape May, Nj (105 miles), and I averaged over 31mpg. That's crazy for a muscle car. That's with my 17 2ss no mods. In a 6.2v8. It's fast enough already for me but those mpg's ....wow.
I hope the new Camaro comes with the A10 in the SS trim
Like the way you Differentiate the difference . . . Frosty ! Cool
What about the 5.2s in the mustang? I haven't heard much about those motors
Damn 8 sec pass on pony car. We are living in good times my friend.
If Im not mistaken Ford is calling it the 10r80 transmission
Your list is wrong . The fastest stock ss on the fast list is 11.7 at like 118 . There’s a few right behind it
On the Camaro6.com fast list it is not 11.7
No stock SS ran a 11.7, link for proof or gtfo
Wasn't that a Facebook post ? I've been watching the 1/4 race for a while and the 11.7 owner never popped up on camaro6. Facebook is the only place where I've seen that time. At the same time no one else has been able to reproduce what Evan did in the mustang. It is early though.
Well pure stock record for Mustang now at 11.30
There is an 11.7 and an 11.8 run on the Camaro Facebook page.
how about the 1/4 times for the manuals, 18 ss 1le vs 18 gt? ;)
Not many 18' manual times posted for the 18' Mustang GT.
True, im just going off MotorTrends latest comparison
never said it wasn't, I am stating in a comparison of manuals, gt vs 1le, the 1le is faster on the 1/4.
Caranddriver ran 12.3s at 118mph with a 2016 camaro ss 6 speed
Juan C. I like both cars I'm a Mustang owner but that's pretty damn good time right there
I'd like to see a test on a 6th gen Camaro v6 with a supercharger and full exhaust.... I can't find more than Rev videos on them. I want to see quarter mile runs!
The first race out of the gate in late May was the Ford Motorsport Nationals, the third stop on the NMRA tour and Tobener instantly set the quickest time for a S550-based Mustang. It wasn’t the kind of big deal that some would make it out to be since Tobener had all sorts of little teething problems as it was the car’s first time on the drag strip. Two more events went by, the NMCA competition at Beech Bend Raceway and the NMRA stop in Ohio, and Tobener made adjustments to the chassis and going quicker each time. In just the fourth outing and less than 30 runs on the new car, Tobener eclipsed the 7-second barrier with his 2015 Mustang GT. He ran 7.991 at 171.45 mph during the final round of qualifying for Edelbrock Xtreme Street during the NMRA race in Indianapolis.
I feel like my 2010 GT is fast. I know these newer muscle cars are faster. I already lost badly to a new 5.0... My car will still clobber 90% of the cars on the road and it's my favorite body style.. I got the black premium with the Track Pack. It will run son..
Im a recent convert to camaro, coming from stang. The A10 has entirely different gearing, and will be quicker, this is why the zl1 and vette have it. Its an excellent trans, i still prefer to row my shifts.
go back and watch some vintage racing from late 60s and early 70s. we built our cars like crazy and had a hard time getting to the numbers we get off the lot now. I LOVE it. Chev all the way, sorry rest of you guys, just the way it is.
Honestly, I wish I could own all of them! But for now, I'm happy with my 2010 SS.
I believe "Quickest" is the proper adjective and the slush box 8 speed is the only thing holding the Camaro back.
What kind of power can the new Ford 10-Speeds hold up to?
We haven’t seen many built 18s, but I saw a raptor with 900rwhp. I have seen ZL1s with 1100rwhp.
Just don't go on a road course. The 46K Camaro SS 1LE was 3.5 seconds faster than the 49K Mustang GT Performance Pack. That's absolute destruction.
Terry" Beefcake" Reeves out of Beechmont Ford Cincinnati Ohio he races a 2017 Mustang GT 7:9 in the 1/4 Mile.