2015 Ford Mustang GT vs. 2015 Chevrolet Camaro SS - Head 2 Head Ep. 58
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2014
- On this episode of Head 2 Head presented by Tire Rack (www.tirerack.com), Carlos Lago pits the Chevrolet Camaro SS against the new Ford Mustang GT. Not only are both packing around 430 horsepower, but they both have the most aggressive handling packages available with their respective performance packs. These cars have been going at it for longer than some of you watching have been alive, and they've never been better. To find out which is best, we'll run them through the full gamut of MT testing, a drive on the road, and hot laps with Randy Pobst. Find out which one wins this classic American rivalry!
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In my humble opinion both cars are winners, cause they're keeping the powerful engine in the front, rear wheel drive and manual gearbox combination alive.
I can't agree more, but a mustang with a 4 cyl turbo TERRIBLE IDEA!
It maybe cheaper but a 4cyl in a mustang? come on thats what you buy your wife to run back and forth to the grocery store.
justin driscoll A strait 4 twin turboed to make 310 hp doesn't sound too bad.
justin driscoll There have been four cylinder Mustangs before and besides the only thing it does is increase profits so the real enthusiasts can still have their V8's.
single turbo not twin. not saying thats a bad engine because the focus st has proven its performance. Its just seems wrong to not put a v8 in it, but hey lets see how aftermarket companies mod this combo, it will be interesting to see at least.
You really have to see the new Mustang in person. It's beautiful.
I went to the Ford dealer and saw the new mustang and was like that is SO DAMN UGLY. Guess ill just keep my 04 Cobra.
edward carballo Damn, 04 Cobra's are still worth 20k. It's like fuck depreciation!
xCkillaxC Its still the best mustang I have ever driven and I have driven most. Just wanted to look at some thing new. I was very disappointed.
edward carballo Hey, some people are stuck in the past I guess. I got an older car too, it's a 1999. I won't tell what kind of car, because you're a muscle car guy, so you could probably care less XD
Agreed. In person this thing is so tough looking! I feel like this is GM Trend!
The GM Track Pack is $1,000 more. Which gives wider tires, more dampening, etc... For $1,000 you can get the extra power and wider rubber and dampening to gain 2 seconds on the lap time the sliver of lateral skid pad and figure eight improvement to compare with the more expensive GM Track Pack.
Regardless we are talking about bolt on parts. The Ford is praised as having the more refined interior, size, and the overall package. The GM is accused of having a cheap interior in comparison and the less desireable size to throw around the track. Ford put their value in things that are harder for the consumer to improve themselves.
Has anyone else ever noticed that all the car comparisons so far this year and late last year between a GM product and other manufacturers, the GM products has won pretty much everything?
2015 mustang vs camaro 1le= Camaro (GM)
Nissan GTR vs Camaro Z28 = Camaro (GM)
2014 Motor Trend Best Driver's Car = Camaro (GM)
2014 Motor Trend Car of the Year = Caddillac (GM)
2014 Cadillac CTS Vsport vs 2013 Lexus GS350 F Sport = Cadillac (GM)
It's either GM has building some really amazing cars, or some people should start considering changing their company name to GM TREND.
Lol thats actually true! Even in this video, Randy and Carlos's words sometimes contradicts each other. When they're talking about the GT on the track they mention how it's "too hard" for the road but too soft for the track. But then Randy goes on to say the 1LE has even harder suspension which is why it's better on the track... and... that is what you want for the road.
They've always been biased towards GM
So it seems GM is building some good cars this year! is there a problem?
Lmao ... It's true .. General Motors has been devoted in making a big step for this decade .. Truth be told some companies are going to start stealing GM ideas ..
For economy cars GM has the best exterior looking cars and as my opinion the interior also ...
Mike Camaro Good cars??? Jesus, look at all the recalls!
This was the golden era of MT. And H2H. Rip
more like 2017
No jason camissa this is trash bud
Impressive! I expected the Mustang's return to be more sparkly. When it comes to the track, Chevy always seems to pick well in regards to tires. Big and sticky.
love your channel bro!
It seems to be their thing, just throw a big engine and big tires at anything and voila, less engineering, more ugh, ugh, big stick hit hard!
fightfanian That's interesting considering all the GT500 has to offer against the ZL1 is big engine, more power. I'd say Ford engineers are the ones worried how hard a stick will hit something.
Did you know you can install a blower on a ZL1 that is the same size as the one on the GT500 and match it's boost level and it'll make more power than the GT500? You probably didn't. You're too busy trying to clean up all the butt hurt.
*****
ZL1 performance package changes pulley to make 15psi form the stock blower and makes 790hp
if ZL1 had GT500 blower it would makes over 800hp @15psi boost
ihatecrackhead If that's true, then that's pretty interesting. I'll have to search it on YT
So 9 Minutes in and from what I understand... better suspension and tyres for the mustang and it'll be best option. Awesome
thank you now we have a real car guy XDXDXD
***** I dont know if I would change the suspension on the 1LE I hear its pretty good
JR666 I've gone to track days in my 2012 1LE against some pretty modded mustangs. My camaro isn't totally stock either (mostly bolt on engine upgrades and some tuning) but I usually kick quite a bit of ass.
alexander vick and you don't consider that could be all driver? Not saying you're a pro driver at all, but the other drivers are just doing it for fun. Nothing is a competition. I guarantee most of the drivers aren't even comfortable pushing the car to it's very limit.
G3nesis Prime yeah... definitely.
***** oh lawdy yes it does!
***** yea just use 20K in upgrades!! thats all and it will be a better car!!! more power to the ford fan boy brigade
MT H2H Street of Willow Randy's Pobst lap time:
2013 Mustang GT Track pack: 1:25.77
2015 Mustang GT Performance Pack: 124.32
2013 Camaro SS-1LE : 1:22.70
2015 Camaro SS-1LE: 1:22.81
Strait line speed tests:
2013 Mustang GT Track pack: 0-60: 4.4 1/4`mile: 12.7 @ 111.9mph
2015 Mustang GT Performance Pack: 0-60: 4.4 1/4`mile: 12.8 @ 112.2mph
2013 Camaro SS-1LE : 0-60: 4.3 1/4`mile: 12.7 @ 111.8mph
2015 Camaro SS-1LE: 0-60: 4.4 1/4`mile: 12.9 @ 110.5mph
Braking tests 60-0mph:
2013 Mustang GT Track pack: 110ft
2015 Mustang GT Performance Pack: 107ft
2013 Camaro SS-1LE : 101ft
2015 Camaro SS-1LE: 99ft
Figure Eight tests:
2013 Mustang GT Track pack: 25.0 sec @ 0.77 g (avg)
2015 Mustang GT Performance Pack: 24.7s @ 0.84g (avg)
2013 Camaro SS-1LE : 24.2 sec @ 0.83 g (avg)
2015 Camaro SS-1LE: 24.5s @ 0.87g (avg)
CURB WEIGHT:
2013 Mustang GT Track pack: 3618 lbs
2015 Mustang GT Performance Pack: 3814lbs
2013 Camaro SS-1LE : 3860 lbs
2015 Camaro SS-1LE: 3886 lbs
Mike Camaro you obviously didnt memorize these....right?
As a Ford guy, im disappointed with the '15 GT. However, I also do not take magazine tests as official. Towards the end, Carlos says, "If the Camaro weren't here, then we would be singing the Mustangs praises." Seems like they already made up their mind with a statement like that.
In a previous head to head when the GT500 beat the ZL1 is most tests, they gave the win to the ZL1, which was odd. But now that actually give the win to the car that won most of the tests. Flip flop, flip flop.
Either way, im not impressed with the new GT. I will however be patient and wait to see what SVT pulls out of their butt with the GT350. Its either going to be a monster that sucks up GM products and eats them, or it will be a heavy disappointment. Either way, I gotta give it to GM for making a really nice track car like the 1LE, even though im not a GM guy. But then again, the 1LE is just a ZL1 without the blower and MRC, so its no surprise that the 1LE was slightly faster.
Sanic x2
Mike Camaro idk about twice as good.
The GT is the better daily driver though.
But it can't touch the camaros' handling.
Also, the zl1 beat the gt500 in every test except the 1/4 mile.
That's why it won.
The zl1 best the gt500 in every comparison.
Edmunds,car and driver, drive, ex.
i'm still really pissed off about the gt-500 vs zl1.
Gt-500 won more tests, was more fun, and in the magazine, appeared to have more positive points than the camaro (in the article) and still lost.
and then the hellcat one for being a gt-500 with more power -_-
Sanic Thats where I gotta stop you. The ZL1 did not beat the GT500 in every test. If you read the MT article, it lists all the tests, and the GT500 won in 0-60, 60-0, 1/4 mile, top speed, gas mileage, faster around Laguna Seca, and the only thing the ZL1 won, was the handling portion (figure eight). The GT500 had the better results in most of the tests.
Man, as a Camaro guy I was hoping the 2015 Mustang would wreck the Camaro. I like the competition and it's important to drive all automobile manufacturers to improve on their vehicles more and more.
To be honest though, the only reason the Mustang lost is because it's Performance Package is a rip off... If you bought the stock GT and did your own customization and put some better tires and suspension on it I'm sure it'll be right up there with the 1LE.
Biggest issue you run into with the Mustang though is that wheelbase. The Camaro is still very low and wide and the Mustang has a lot more body roll.
Can't wait to see what Shelby does with this thing, hope it blows me away.
Chevy paid them to have the camaro win and to make it best drivers car which is probably the worst drivers car they couldve chosen. The Mustang is wayy better inside and out, power wise and style wise. Thats why they sell more... Carlos is either a heavy chevy fanboi or chevy paid them to make their car win because the Mustang is the better car and the Mustang deffinitily should have one. It does in every other auto journalists book.
***** fair enough. But I agree, alright the camaro performance pack is a better track car but chevys completely missing the point. First of all, the mustang and camaro are only supposed to be good in a straight line, thats theyre heritage. Its great if they can do both straight line performance (which the mustang wins at) and still be a track car but it also needs to be a daily driver which the camaro would be quite difficult and uncomfortable to have as. People dont think of camaros and mustangs when they want a track car, lmao. Chevy is just in the wrong ballpark. The Mustang on the other hand covers all the bases with styling, performance and actual practicality that you could easily use a daily driver and yet have some fun and use it as a toy (that will out perform the camaro) whenever you want which is why the Mustang is the better car. The Mustang is better, Ford actually made a predecessor that goes back to the original mustangs heritage and yet can do everything right. The camaros chevys attempt at a scion frs with an engine swap, its not what the cars supposed to be lmao. in my book and im sure in numbers quite soon, Ford won.
Kenny M
Ford made Mustang into a sport cars or do you think this is muscle
1993 Mustang GT 5.0L 205hp
1996 Oldsmobile 88 LSS 240hp, my grandmas V6 that beat my 1stcar 93GT
1998 mustang GT V8 225hp
1998 Camaro Z28 350hp, only rated 327hp
2000 ZL1 camaro 400hp
2009 Mustang GT 300hp
2010 V6 Camaro 315hp This is the V6
once again Mustang almost got beat by a V6 but sold twice as many cars
Kenny, you need to grow up an pay attention to the facts. The Camaro performance models have been chosen over Mustang by pretty much every automotive we site out there. That's their opinion after driving in a heads up comparison. If you haven't been keeping up with the 2015 Z/28 reviews, then you need to start now. You hurt feeling aren't a substitute for the facts. Camaro is the better drivers car.
Ron LHeureux being the best track car and being the best drivers car are two completely different things Ron. Chances are if youre strictly a track car, you cant be the best drivers car, strictly track cars are unpracticle, uncomfortable and pretty much undesirable. You might think its the best drivers car but you cant drive it for more than 15 minutes.
If you ever watch one of the many heads up reviews on a variety of internet automotive sites, the you would know that the Camaro SS is the better street driving car. Things like flat cornering without under or oversteer matter even on the street. Stability and predictability are desirable in either circumstance. I think you should find Randy Probts driving impressions while behind the wheel of a Z/28 on the Laguna Seca raceway. Your opinion will be changed. Camaros are much more predictable than any Mustang. That includes the Shelby 500. That car took much, much more effort to handle turn. It was faster in the straight, though the brakes began fading in no time. The Camaro has zero brake fading issues. In the end, the track time for both was nearly the same. Bottom line: The Camaro required far less effort, particularly in turns. The 500's HP advantage helped it overall.
What an excellent episode! I have to say, as someone who does car videos (nowhere near this level) the camera work and editing on this episode were just SO GOOD! Hats off to your production team. The literal head-to-head hot lap was awesome. Lastly, the commentary made sense and was quite poignant. Great job MT.
-Greg
Nothing is more beautiful than a solid competition between two manufacturers. It's what move technology forward. Both are great cars.
Man, the Mustang flops around in corners like a fish out of water.
Or like a car that is smooth on the road. Only one of these is comfortable enough for the road, and only one doesn't need to drive around for 15 minutes to warm the tires before pushing hard
whiteandnerdytuba The 1LE isn't a Z/28 you don't need to warm the tires up and it's comfortable on a road.
I'd like to see how many tight corners your average driver takes lol.
whiteandnerdytuba You dont get a Mustang with a track pack if you want a smooth trip to the shops, you buy it for its handling and track capabilities.
CardiacAtttack I own a 2014 1le. You DO have to warm up the tires and it is COMPLETELY uncomfortable on the road.
Challenger Hellcat wins.
Valts Neizaks 3.6 actually
You pay $20.000 more so you can expect it to be better.
*****
1.8
Wins what? Biggest fattest of the 3?
Not in a track...
Pitching, rolling, floating, and a rear end that is just itching to come flying out and wrap you around a tree... sounds like a mustang.
Sounds like you have been using the same comment for the straight axle as well. Don't worry, if you aren't satisfied now I bet your girl ain't either.
What people are seeming to forget is that this new Mustang is in it's very first year while the Camaro is at the end of the generation. Of course the Camaro is going to be more refined handling wise. The old Corvette ZR1 is faster than the new Corvette C7. Rerun this comparison in a year or two and the results will be different I bet.
I sense butthurt.
carblader4254 dude i'm so sorry but how stupid are you to compare ZR1 to the new Corvette? its not about early or the end of the gen!! Ford promised this new Mustang will handle better than the BOSS 302! but she didn't:(
turbotimthree what company had to be bailed out twice with your tax dollars? Was it ford? No. It was GM, why? Because in order to satisfy the needs of their unions they have to use cheaper parts in their vehicles in order to make it profitable. Sorry, not trusting a GM product past 1970.
carblader4254 Surely the new generation is supposed to be better than the old generation and its competitors at the same level.
the zr1 has like over 600bhp and a c7 has 450 or abouts. In 2 years time there will be a new camaro and it will eat up any mustang. just like how the new c63 amy will eat up the m3 :p
That's the scary thing. Chevy has the new LT1 waiting for the new Camaro. Not to mention all the things learned with the engineering study with the z/28. Performance wise the next Camaro should be leaps and bounds over the old Gen.
Much bigger, stickier tires, stiffer springs/shocks, no surprise the Camaro 1LE wins on a road course. The Mustang now has a better chance to equal whatever GMs equips the Camaro with, just a matter of Ford electing to put super stiff spring/shocks and expensive, wider and stickier tires. The platforms of each are now on equal footing, just a matter of Ford wanting to "extreme" the regular GT or just making the upcoming GT350 the all around extreme Mustang. Should be interesting to see what both manufacturers have up their sleeves......
I agree. Mustang is on par with the camaro now. It probably needs inly a few tweeks to better it performance wise.
All the deficiencies you're pointing to (tires size/springs) were well known to Ford before the car was released, if it doesn't stack up, its Ford's fault, not some unanticipated advantage for the Camaro.
Volt Lover I never said the Camaro had an unfair advantage, just stating that Ford is not giving it's newest Mustang a package equivalent to what GM has bestowed the 1LE version of the Camaro SS. Let's not start a brand war............
1LE is the performace package for the Camaro SS, and they tested it against the performace package for the Mustang GT. If Ford's performance package doesn't measure up (its inferior), its Ford's fault. The 1LE package isn't new for 2015, its been around, Ford knew what they were up against. Its a valid comparison of the equivalent packages from the manufacturers.
Volt Lover
Nope, Camaro has a performance option, a mild cam making 460hp, Ford won;t allow for testing against mustang
Just like Ford refuses to allow a test between 1LE & BOSS mustang
even though BOSS has an engine made from aftermarket parts, that are made standard by chevy on even V6 Camaro, like Drop Forged & Ball Peen Forged connecting rods
Well. I'm definitely disappointed that the Mustang didn't do better against the Camaro. Having said that, I think the disparity in performance isn't necessarily a mark against the Mustang as much as a pat on the back to GM. Track numbers aside, I can think of plenty of reasons I'd much rather have the Mustang in my garage, but that's just a matter of personal preference. Dear MotorTrend: this is hands down one of THE BEST comparisons of two cars I've ever seen, and certainly the best Head 2 Head episode you've done. It was a little bit of everything. Raw track data, driving impressions both on and off the track, and finally an awesome real-time split-screen comparison of one complete lap. Simply awesome. I really came away feeling like I learned something tangible today. Thank you!!!
Agreed, i'm a chevy guy but I do still like mustangs mainly the 60s gt fastback mustangs. the track data backs up what the presenters have said. the camaro has better brakes than the mustang decelerating faster into corners.The camaro has better suspension resulting in more corner grip allowing it to take corners faster. it has consistently higher corner mph than the mustang, especially in the second to last corner. The camaro's low to mid range torque helps it accelerate out of corners faster but then the mustang counters with more mid to high range HP so as was said their straight line speed is almost identical with the mustang being slightly faster in the quarter mile due to gearing and a higher power band. I would still buy a camaro but I certainly wouldnt say no if some one gave me this mustang. all in all great test and video and go Chevy!
I agree.
will snyder Tires are the biggest difference between these two cars. Mustang needs a couple section widths wider front and back, with probably a 305 in the back, judging by the way it gets loose. Camaros front tire width and compound is a huge part of the braking difference as well, six piston brembos on 15 inch rotors, stopping 3800 lbs in 107 feet? That means the Mustang definitely has a ferocious set of brakes already, it just needs more rubber on the ground to take more advantage of them.
Tech4Dummies Both are probably still coming from the factory with those crappy Pirelli P Zero tires. First thing to do with a stock Mustang or Camaro is replace those worthless things with better tires and sell the Pirellis to somebody's grandma. I swear GM and Ford must be getting those things damn near for free to keep putting that crap on their high performance cars.
***** Yeah my rear pzeros were trashed on my '13 5.0 at 10k miles. Wear-marker city. I bought some Falken Fk453's, traction is just as good but they're $100+ cheaper per tire. They're still back there with 25k miles on it now. Bout ready to be replaced, but still, 15k miles of hard street abuse ain't bad for a relatively sticky (and cheap) summer tire that has good grip/traction and a 186 mph speed rating. The Pirellis aren't that bad but definitely not worth anywhere close to $330 a tire for a 255/40-19.
I'm a mustang guy...for many years, but I don't know how anyone can say the Camaro is "ugly." That car is totally badass looking. It actually comes from the factory with proper wheels/tires that look awesome and have proper offsets, while Ford as usual chose to go with a Wally Wagon setup. The Ford's interior is definitely nicer, and the visibility is obviously much better, but other then that, the Camaro wins this, and at a MUCH lower price. Not only do Mustang buyers pay a higher price up front but then have to pony up (no pun intended) another couple grand for proper wheels/tires & even more aggressive dampers. Bottom line: The Camaro comes turn-key, the mustang you need to invest a lot more into on top of the higher price tag. You'll then have the better car but at a much higher cost + time.
i like how you put it kevin coming from a camaro guy. the mustang is faster in a straight line but cornering its got nothing really. i feel bad for you ford guys cuz i actually thought they was gonna come out with this track monster with like 450hp and outhandle and outperform our chevy cars. but really they slacked off made it heavier nice interior tho....but only faster by .1 tenth? brakes are a huge concern for me anyways and the suspension needs alot of improving still.......how much time will 1 need lol? a camaro is ready to race right away no excuses or anything. now just imagine a hennesy700 upgraded camaro SS. check out there site and cars you may like them. i think they do mustangs too?
Ok I'm going to have to retract from initial comment a bit. After posting it I did a "build and price" with the Camaro and it's not any less expensive. In fact it's actually more expensive. The only reason the Ford is more expensive in this comparo is because the Mustang is loaded up with all the options including recaro's, while the Camaro is not. Building a GT premium as I would want it came out about $1000 less than the price of the Camaro SS as I would want it. Add in Ford X-pricing and it's quite a bit less expensive than the Camaro to the point of more then offsetting the cost of new wheels/tires (after selling the stock ones). At that point I think they both look equally nice on the exterior. But looking back at the interiors, there really is a HUGE difference in my opinion. I'm not sure I could ever get past that camaro interior, whereas I think the new mustangs interior is superb. Definitely a place I would enjoy being as opposed to sitting in the Camaro which would be a matter of tolerating it. For starters, those generic chevy steering wheels…uggh. The only advantage the Camaro would have then is a slight handling advantage. But that can be remedied without too much difficulty or expense. It would already be partially offset with more aggressive wheels/tires. Plus some people may actually prefer the softer ride quality of the Mustang. After all, not everyone goes to the track. Either way it's not too difficult to change. While on the other hand, the Camaro's interior you can't do much about it. There's also the better visibility of the Ford and I personally like the Mustang heritage and name better too. Plus it's still is lighter and bit quicker as well. All Said and done I have to go back and give the edge to the Mustang. Both however are great sports/muscle cars. To each their own.
Funny how there is technical evidence of the Camaro being the better driver car, and still the mustang guys don't accept it. I'm not even a muscle car guy and I can see the clear winner. The ST hatchbacks are fords best drivers cars right now.
Neither of these are muscle cars.
Brian TX nice joke m8
Brian TX
your funny
The Mustang's flaws like a lack of tire footprint and poor suspension setup are relatively cheap to modify to your liking.
In contrast..
The Camaro's whole interior being reupholstered so it feels like a 40K car wouldn't be a very cheap modification.
Plus the Camaro is just face lifted, the mustang is an actual brand new, updated car.
***** Obvious Fanboy is obvious.
That's one reason I didn't purchase the performance pack. I saved around 10 grand getting the base model with Recaro seats no useless performance app or the 7" radio screen either. I then put ford racing shocks and springs, gt500 calipers and rotors, boss 302 radiator, completely overhauled exhaust, amr wheels on Michelins. After selling my basically new stock parts, I came out ahead around 7 grand with a better car than the performance pack.
There's using your head.
***** im a mustang guy myself dont get me wrong but, the 2014 was way more of a muscle car than the 2015 will ever be. Put a wide body kit on a 2013-14 mustang and you have one sexy car.
***** 2014 mustang looks bettr than a 2014 camaro
I think the main point in this video that most people are missing is that the GT performance package is just that a PERFORMANCE PACKAGE not a "track package" as he listed the upgrades from it it just seemed really drag strip oriented which, in my personal opinion is what you buy a muscle car for. The 1LE package, lets be honest it's for track type racing. In fact the entire car is oriented towards the track due to things like "flying car mode" even as rediculous as it sounds it's very good for bumpy tracks whereas the GT has line-lock, this feature to me screams "IM A DRAG CAR".
Camaro 🏆🥇
I had 6 mustangs, my most recent one was a brand new '12 5.0. I sold it and got a brand new '14 Camaro SS 1LE. It's a great car and I love it 5x better than my 5.0. I saw the new mustangs and was thinking about getting one in that dark highland green looking color. After watching this, I decided I'm going to keep my 1LE :).
I feel like my 5.0 was quicker in straight line but I think that's because the softer suspension on the 5.0 plus the 1LE has a taller transmission ratio. The handling doesn't even make sense on the 1LE. The car is so big, but it handles like no car I've ever owned. I've had imports like Nissan Spec V's to Corvettes and the 1LE takes the crown for handling. The 1LE also looks so sinister. I always get looks and thumbs up. If you get a Camaro, don't buy it without the 1LE box checked. Totally worth the. 3500. I'm going to lower it an inch in a few weeks.
The color your talking about is called Guard. Weird name for a color, but it's the best looking color on it. :)
I agree. My 08 Bullitt was highland green and it reminded me of it. I loved that car. Probably my favorite of all the cars I've ever owned.
I knew the outcome before clicking the start icon.......... The 1LE is way more track prepared than the Performance Pkg GT . The 1LE is still a ZL-1 without the LSA engine and magnetic suspension . I would have like them to side test a 2013 Boss 302 just for comparison.
was done, Boss Lost
Mike Camaro ...But in a previous video the SSLE also ran a quicker 0-60 mph of 4.3 sec ...............Different car / day /conditions.
***** right.
***** ...I agree with you too a point sir . My problem with some comparisons is 75% of individuals don't take into account that many variables that effect the results. This is the results on this day with Motortrend . In these mean streets , owner skill and traction may present another outcome. I am not hurt by the results @ all , you win some lose some . Hear me out though ......The SS1LE has many changes that became available due to the ZL-1 suspension work & wheels. The 2015 Mustang is not utilizing the Shelby GT500 pieces and wheels . brakes etc . I am let down by the output as well of the mustang being that the 2012-'13 Boss 302 was under-rated @ 444 hp and 380 lb-ft . The 2016 Camaro will probably use the LT-1 and it has shown to be a BEAST in the Stingray Corvette and Ford will be playing catch-up in my opinion.
and without the supercharger. And the GT500 couldnt really give the GT much suspension because it wasnt a track focused car. the ZL1 is mainly a track focused car. And with the 1LE, ZL1, they are both Chevy and work close. While the GT and GT500 is Ford and Shelby. They are kind of close, but again, the GT500 has nothing special when it comes to track performance, just HP
Europeans always ridicule Americans for driving mainly automatics but they fail to realize that OUR sports cars still have manuals, unlike a lot of theirs.
Also, while you would think these cars would mash up, technically they don't. Yeah sure they are both performance packs, but as Randy said, "This 1LE is basically a z/28 that's not as fast". A better comparison would be a Boss 302 if they ever make another one.. That being said, GM is light years ahead of Ford right now in terms of performance with cars like the C7, ZL1, Z/28, 1LE, and Cadillac CTS Vsport.
***** im saying a new boss 302
I suppose. The 1LE is just a bargain and it makes the ford look way overpriced.
Mustang much better is my opinion!
I am an Pontiac/Cadillac kind of guy. I do prefer Fords over Chevy's tho.
I must admit, that Camaro looks nice and it won, fair and square. I'll give you Chevy guys this one.
that camaro was sweet you gotta admit how smooth it was on the racetrack. the mustang was just a big mess. only faster by .1 tenth of a second and what 1.7mph? not really worth it to me unless your only gonna drag race. camaro wins all around better car period.
thisguy177
It was slower than the Camaro actually.
I personally prefer the 05-07 mustangs the most. That style pays more tribute to the older 66-69 version which happens to be my favorite.
The Camaro seems to have parts borrowed from the C7 which is why it is more practical on the track.
zzzhuh i like the front end of the camaro the lights and hood. the backend dont look too bad either. idk why either car is called ugly really to be honest. but the front of the new mustang too modern and its got that stupid euro look to it. you like that?
thisguy177
Meh, it's alright. The grill looks similar to an Aston Martin (gee I wonder why.) I don't think either is ugly, but I think it is nice to see both car's being able to take corner's 'properly.'
No one in the 60's would of ever though there would be a day.
Both those brands are gm just like Chevy....l
Camaro better braking, tires size, wheel base, and gearing won this… I’d bet a 2011 GT PP would have actually done better than the 2015 just because of the weight difference alone.
Either way not going to beat SS 1LE. Matter of fact that gen SS 1LE was less than a second slower than 2013 gt500 around VIR which has two very long straights to allow the gt500 to catch up. And faster than any preceding gt500 as well.
@@FL50ssp I wonder how the z28 did against the gt500 at VIR
@@ZLwh1ne Z/28 on another level compared to all gt500 generations with the exception of s550.
2015 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28, 2:50.9
2006 Ford GT, 3:00.7
2013 Ford Shelby GT500, 3:00.6
2013 Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE, 3:01.5
2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302 Laguna Seca, 3:02.8
2011 Ford Shelby GT500, 3:04.0
2015 Ford Mustang GT, 3:05.2
2007 Ford Shelby GT500, 3:05.9
While I definitely enjoy Carlos, Randy was much better at explaining the attributes of each car and the differences towards each other, and just generally giving the viewer a better overlook of how it feels to drive both cars.
You have to take into consideration that they were explaining each cars attributes in two completely different ways, the street and the track.
I would actually be disappointed with GM if the 6th production year of this car couldn't beat a brand new platform. The 5th Gen Camaro has been around since '09 (and the concept since '06), so they've had 5-6 years to work out most of the kinks in the platform. The 2015 Mustang is a brand new platform and is going to have its problems. It seems that if they get the steering and suspension reworked a bit, the outcome of this episode could be different. Interesting to see the differences in the two motors as well. With 1.2 liters more than the 5.0 you get 20 lb-ft, but 9 hp less. It'd be interesting to see the power curve for both of these motors since the Camaro weighed more but was just as fast if not slightly faster than the Mustang. The Camaro definitely has some wider rear tires, too!
People are biased. Both cars are awesome. I'm glad they took the cars in the right direction. Now someone buy and ship a Mustang to me.
What the FUCK is this? Every single review I have read, have not been biased like you pricks. Every single one has said that there is no understeer. The only time the rear would step out is when you told it to. Also, every single one said that it puts it's power down well. Top Gear(Magazine) said that "it puts its power down like it has worms". Ford should stop giving cars to them. Same with Dodge. Motor Trend is basically just a huge circus for Chevrolet advertisement.
I would prefer Mustang too, but no need to be disrespectful. At least we get free content. No need to be a fanboy. And about the worms thing. If you have worms, your ass gets itched. You always try to scratch your ass on the chair you sit. You wiggle. That's what the aggressive diff does to the Mustang. Makes it oversteer.
not a surprise they show us the z28 betting a gtr black edition lol, they have their history in fabrication.
StandoffSiren02 Oversteer is what happens when the back steps out of line, you can see the Mustang doing it in the video. Also Top Gear is the most biased car magazine in existence and they literally have no idea what they're talking about. Top Gear magazines thinks that wheel horsepower is the same as horsepower at the flywheel. MT definitely isn't biased towards GM they've made honest comparisons that are backed up by other magazines. Anyone who says MT is biased towards GM is just a butt hurt fanboy. They were comparing track performance so it's obvious why the 1LE won this test. Day to day the GT wins.
fawaz1165 The Z28 slaughtered the GTR and if you read Car and Drivers lightning lap from this year you'd see that is totally justified as it beat all but 1 GTR the nismo.
fawaz1165 Other magazine's test data backs up MototrTrend's tests. The Z/28 is a very capable car. It was only a tenth of a second off of a Ferrari F12 in C&D 2014 lightning lap test as well.
You know what I got out of this video? That Randy Pobst is the best thing that has happened to automotive journalism in the last decade. Or maybe even the last 3 decades. And I applaud Motor Trend for shelling out the cash and taking the risk to make that happen. Randy is virtually unbiased. He always praises every car on their strong points and only criticizes them on points where the car really needs improvement. And he packs the credentials through racing victories and Laguna Seca lap times to know that he's the real deal and that if he can't pull a faster time, another automotive journalist surely isn't going to be able to either. I'm really happy that MT is bringing him on board more and more, not just for best driver's car. And in my opinion, MT is clearly rising above Road and Track and Car and Driver (I subscribe to all three). I would like to give all the credit to Randy, but Carlos has stepped up the charm and likability in the last two years, the association with Chris Harris is a huge plus and even though Lieberman is dry, he gives great analytics. I don't see articles from him anymore, but maybe the credit really goes to Ron Kiino for bringing it all together? I'm not sure, but you guys have really hit the winning combination. Keep up the AWESOME work.
Wow, a little surprised and disappointed that the fully loaded Mustang weighed almost as much as the Camaro and was almost 5K more expensive. I think a smart buyer should probably wait a year or two and/or buy a stripped down 5.0 and head to the aftermarket for suspension. I believe Ford engineers said their benchmark was the Boss 302 and they exceeded it. Doesn't appear so based on the review, at least regarding driving dynamics. Also, I hear wheel-hop is an issue with the new IRS at the strip. It is the first year of the design, however, and, if I recall, Motor Trend had similar complaints with the Camaro when it was first re-released. GM has been refining year by year and now we have the 1LE and Z/28 as a result. It will be interesting to see what Ford does with the upcoming GT350. Maybe they'll actually release the Nurburgring lap times this time.
I've owned both, and it's almost a toss-up as to which is better. Unbelievable how big both these cars are on the outside, and how small they are on the inside (compared to what they were in the early years).
As someone who ordered a 2015 Mustang GT with track pack and red interior, this review is disappointing. I was expecting it to handle great, not understeer and bounce around. My expectations were to high it seems, however Ford marketing did really "hype" this car up with a ton of claims including that it would beat a boss on the track; and there is nothing comparable when it comes down to performance for the price. I may still get the Mustang, but the nostalgia of it all has suddenly disappeared. I don't like the Camaro for some reason, it is an unusual feeling of dislike and disgust I have towards that car for some reason. Right now I was wishing I had enough money to be able to afford cars slightly pricier than these two like :
-Base V6 f-type coupe.
-BMW M3/4
-Mercedes C63 AMG coupe
- Mercedes CLA45 AMG (maybe)
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Look you really have to understand how these reviews go and pay attention to what they really say, I don't think this comparison was really fair they took basically a 1LE SS on steroids with all these loaded up track options and ran it against a Mustang GT with the track pak option which is not much to write home about, when compared to the options on the Camaro with a thousand dollars more in parts add on mind you , not to mention all the loaded up heavy options they added to the mustang this is not truly a track worthy contender to even compete with the Boss 302 which mind you was scaled down and didn't have as nearly as many options as one of these so called GT's come with, be glad you're purchasing a 2015 Mustang GT... Just wait for a real comparison between the 2 cars I'm talking base GT and base SS trust me the out come will be different... And this is coming from a happy 2012 mustang 5.0 owner Cheers...
Price as tested: the mustang was more expensive by 5k....the biggest disappointment about the new mustang is the increase in weight. How is the mustang going to compete with Camaro when it was been completely remodeled and can't beat the Camaro in its current form? Realistically, the mustang with its redesign should have easily beat the Camaro in nearly every category. The Camaro is about to get a new, supposedly lighter chassis. I'm sure ford will have to hit the drawing board sooner than they think
TheDonta99 As a Ford guy myself, you're lying to your self right now. Don't be mad at Chevy because they offer a better track pack than Ford does. This isn't a "1LE on steroids" it's the 1LE package, everything on the test car is standard with that package. I'm seriously disappointed with the new Mustang, an to make matters worse, it's 5k more than the 1LE! Guess I'm sticking with my 2014.
OFF2theGYM No the performance pack for the mustang is cheaper. The overall cost of the mustang that they tested was 5k more because they had all the stuff like premium interior, and probably all the other options. I customized a 2015 mustang on the ford website and did it with just the track pack and a few other options and it was under 40k
Alex Connor it would beat it in every category if it wasnt for GM suddenly putting race tires on everything to get a slight edge on the stang. those tires cost a lot and need constant replacing due to being soft youll spend thousands more over the life of the car just to slightly edge out a stang.
To be fair, the camaro rocks ZL1 tires, whereas the mustang's tires are just slightly upgraded over the stock option. The new gen mustang also has just came out, so it's still in development. I'm sure that Ford will address these problems later on. The Camaro is also a great car, the 1LE package does miracles to the car's handling and behavior.
good comment and im waiting for ford to bring out a mustang to go against the z28. either its going to be a new gt500 or they will bring back the cobra/cobra r. im hoping it will be a cobra
It'll be a gt350, SVT is working on it at the moment.
By the time Ford might fix it's problems, the new gen Camaro will be out. Hopefully it won't disappoint.
No the Mustang is finalized, too late to make changes, they don't send unfinished cars for testing
Ford knew about 1LE years ago and know it was faster when they made the new GT
I meant that it just came out, so it's not as refined as the camaro which has been out since 2009
There's a reason why the Camaro received drivers car of the year :)
I am a proud owner of a 2011 Stang. I can say my next car will be a Camaro. Ford went the wrong way with the Mustang. The Camaro is a amazing performing car and now a better looking one also.
Disappointed Ford. You made it smaller and more refined in every way, but you couldn't keep the weight down.
I'd love to see the normal GT compared with the SS just to see the difference between the track packs.
He said the car was much stronger and more rigid.
EscapeforMankind Which is why I said more refined.
It's because of the independent rear suspension.
More sports car? it has sports car handling pack what do they expect the camaro has the handling pack of the z/28 and that came from the vette zr1 it's not like the gt track pack is from a gt500 stupid ass company
GT500 is slower than a BOSS on most tracks
But it handles better
Stiffer stocks and struts
The gt500 isn't known for its handling either. That would be the Boss 302.
It's been noted by many that the handling in the gt500 is better than the boss
I'm what most of you muscle car guys would call a ricer(I drive a pretty fucking low FRS), and if someone told me to pick one of these, I couldn't. The mustang seems like the way better option for a daily car, but if you're a track junkie I would go with the camaro. Aesthetically the mustang look much better from the back and from the side. Kind of iffy about those headlights. Lol maybe the after market will fix that eye sore. But from the front the camaro is so much more pissed off looking, so mean specially with the white body and the black/cf? Hood. Don't know much about mustangs or camaros, but I always hear about 5.0 guys making some serious power gains with just basic bolt ons. Idk, I'm leaning more towards the mustang on this one.
Looking at your profile pic, you look more like a Muscle guy then a ricer! Might be time for you to man up and get a real car, not a boy racer toy.
Mike Camaro AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
your totally right, im glad your being repectful to both sides. im a ford guy all the way
***** Mustang & Camaro, they go together. it's a love & hate relationship, wouldn't want it any other way.
luis,
do this: www.vorshlag.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8275
and all your ricer sins will be forgiven.
i love both
You guys should compare the mustang to a M235i. They both cost the same ... it would be interesting to see how they both perform.
The bimmer is the perennial favorite with motor trend personnel. Hard to beat all that history.
Consumer report gave the m235i a 98. The model s got a 99. I don't think the mustang is going to score that high.
I love the new mustang but when its main European rival is the bmw 2 series, you have to think about how the Mustang is the size of a bmw 6 series but yet still has an interior smaller than the 2'series.
The main point is that Chevy will always be BETTER than Ford..
No comments for three years aside from the one right in front of me. Wow.
Comment...Camaro for the win.
Nobody cares about the utter failure that was the 5th gen Camaro.
Car was a land yacht with looks that aged like an avocado
@@BC08 LOL you are just upset because this "avocado" (SS 1LE) outperformed all N/A and shelby 2011 gt500 mustnags on a road course, like this video for example, ouch. And was marginally slower than the 2013 gt500 excuse for a performance car, again on a road course. Now if you are comparing which car can load up the most grocery bags then mustnag takes that category. However, as a performance car, we both know Camaro sweeps all important categories, easily. And is still the only real track ready car from the big three in this class. Don't waste my time with the gt350 disaster. If you can't reliably go to a road course, run hard all day long without something falling off, go into limp mode (LOL), or eat an engine/trans/diff and come home in the car you drove there (riding in it on a flatbed doesn't count) well it isn't track ready. Oh forgot about the manufacturer track warranty... does frod offer this? Yep Camaro for the win again.
2006 Ford GT, 3:00.7
2013 Ford Shelby GT500, 3:00.6
2013 Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE, 3:01.5
2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302 Laguna Seca, 3:02.8
2011 Ford Shelby GT500, 3:04.0
2015 Ford Mustang GT, 3:05.2
2007 Ford Shelby GT500, 3:05.9
@@FL50ssp Racing road course lap times is pretty irrelevant unless same driver, same day.
Even more variables than a drag strip.
5th gen SS is an ugly, dated flop.
@@FL50ssp Also, are you seriously bringing up reliability for a generation of Camaro that included the LSA and L99?
I’ve never seen either one of those 💩 make it past 50,000 miles on the original long block.
I have seen over 2 dozen NOT make it to 50K though.
GT350 is an instant classic that will hold value better than any horrid 5th Gen.
Why?
It’s unique and doesn’t have styling that ages like an avocado
Camaro superiority
Mustang is always superior lol
@@loneokami6560 then why does the new gen mustang lose to the old gen camaro?
@@InsomniaReal I know why... because it is an inferior product that uses a chassis which is a combination of previous gen chasiss. And the Zeta and Alpha chassis are on another level compared to their mustnag competition. Well, not really competitors in the sense of track performance. Cars and coffee and carriying the most grocery bags... yes mustnag has a chance.
@@InsomniaRealhow come the camaro has disappeared and the mustang never has....
@@loneokami6560It just isn't, keep coping
So the Mustang will slightly under-steer which requires more throttle to correct and the ass end comes out more as a result and it goes into slight over-steer... SWEET! Drifting applications here we come! I can't wait to see Von Gittin Jr put one of these babies out in the drift course! If you're a camaro fan or a mustang fan and some of you are cheering and others whining because these guys picked the camaro... it's all about perspective people. If this video had been done on a drift course, guess which car would have won lol. Stop being so butt-hurt.
Also, last I checked, most of these cars will not be bought by professional racers, but everyday average Joes that will race from light to light and both cars perform basically the same in the straight line 0-60; 1/4 mile.
Brace yourself
Angry mustang fanboys incoming
99 percent of the people who own these cars will never drive them like you or Randy..It will be a fun car to drive and maybe have the pedal to the floor for a few seconds every now and then..If the Mustang is easier to see out of and more modern and comfy the 2 seconds a lap will mean very little...
Thats the one thing I noticed between my '13 GT and a coworkers '10 SS is its really hard to see out of his car. The windows are too small. I really like the look of the camaro but I cant imagine driving one through traffic.
Ahennem I drive it every day through traffic, the good news is we see less of it in the Camaro! hahaha
Mike Camaro
The z28 won the best drivers car shootout..A lot of money but it is what I would have if I could afford it.. Blow both of these out of the water.. My buddy has an SS.. I love it..
Head to head is so much better than that generation gap thing they've tried to do.
Came to see the cars. Stayed for the flame wars in the comments. *grabbing popcorn*
So the Mustang is 100% Better all around.
just not in interior
Yeah, keep living in a dream.
Still mustang FTW
Lots of comments from the ford fanboys about the camaro having better tires etc. These are both track optioned cars, the tires on the mustang are what ford decided on, quite your whining....
The camaro is $5000 ish cheaper, and performs better everywhere except it's a tenth slower in the qt mile. That tenth wouldn't even be noticed on the street by amature drivers. The camaro is old tech and the mustang is all new. Ford boys be carefull!!! Don't use all your excuses up now because in 2016 a brand new camaro is coming, and your going to need all the excuses you can think of then.
Is it just me or does the mustang get more pussified every generation. I think all mustangs after 1971 look like a girls car. I do still love a nice fox body notchback lx, but other then that I could not own a mustang just because of how they look. Same as the early fourth gen camaros and firebirds, they all looked like a girls car to me.
Couldn't have said this better myself . . .
FYI a base track pack mustang costs much less than a base 1ss camaro 1le....... And the tire argument I agree is complete garbage..... stock for stock the camaro will win but who keeps stock tires these days anyway..... HRE has already tested and fitted 295 fronts and 315 rears on the stang which will be quite unfortunate for any camaro that tries to race me
***** You should watch the video and listen first. +10 grand package? semi-slicks? please get your shit strait and stop blaming MT for your inaccuracies.
David Eagle The reason the Camaro was cheaper is because they had every option put onto the Ford. Without all of those extras the Mustang comes out cheaper.
Nickolas Little yeah is cheaper but don´t come with the brembos and + does not handle as well
Interesting lead-in Carlos but are any of you presenters old enough to remember a time when camaros and mustangs weren't competing? Maybe Randy?
There wasn't.
Chevy made the Camaro, just to compete with the Mustang, as lewd as it sounds, a pony car competing with a muscle car. Don't get me wrong, I like both cars as much, but I did find something about news reporters asking what a "Camaro" is when it was 1st announced, they replied (idk, GM or Chevy) something along the lines "A Camaro is an insect, that eats Mustangs". They were competing back then, but it wasn't as obsurd as it is today.
there was never a time. The camaro from day one was built to compete against mustang.
The sad thing is that FORD when benchmarking and tuning their new Mustang made a specific choice to not compare and test it against the Camaro. Why? Either they have their head in the sand or are trying to down play the performance advantage of Chevy, in both case they are losing face and the battle. Sad. Let me ask Ford, did you really think because you've decided that the New Mustang was in another league then the Camaro that 50 years of Magazine comparisons would stop? nice dream, welcome to the reality.
*****
I remember when they said that the camaro wasn't the mustang's competitor. I dont know what they are thinking.
Camaro for the win! Nice job chevy! Its cool that GM can make that kinda power outta a single cam and 16 valve v8...where as ford has to have dual overhead cams and 32 valves in their v8 to make any power. Rock on chevy! Uh oh...now I'm gonna get a whole bunch of ford fan boys cryin at me.
Yep....barely a few hours pass and ford fan boys are already mad at me. Get a life. lol There's more out there then mustangs and camaros.
And Chevy has to have an extra 1.2L's lmao.
Mrborgarn you realize GM's 6.2L v8 weighs less than most 6cyl infact its also near half the size of the 5.0. remember just because it has a big displacement doesnt mean its a big engine. its light and extremely compact. and its getting similar fuel economy...
1.2L vs 2X valves? hmmmm fair trade since the 6.2 from 2007 is making more power just as efficiently..
Nice job jackass! Stating stupid shit as expected.
Victor Antonio Wow...what yer saying is better? lol!
With the Camaro being "Government Motors" which stole money from me, it already has a strike against it. But trying not to be biased, I would take the Mustang by far anyway. Maybe because I had an old Camaro and to me, the new one looks like someone took an air pump to my '69 Camaro and pumped it up with Air. It is like a party balloon version of the original. The Mustang looks slimmer than past models and the fastback looks extremely nice.
Uhh ford took a loan/ bail also. Harley Davidson is a loan bail to back in the 80's if it's made in Detroit then they all took a loan/ bail
Ford got 9 billion to upgrade tools to make better parts
Chevy Drop Forges & ball Peen Forges even V6 connecting rods, adding up to 55% fatigue strength
Ford still sinters rods in a dry bag using HIP, then quenches in oil, no forging
Just like 1987 Ford Escort 1.9L
Ford has to order pistons 7 connecting rods from manley & mahle to make GT500 & Boss engine cause they can't make the Drop Forged & Ball Peen Forged rods
When the bankers crashed the economy, they bought ford's name and refused to loan money to GM or chrysler, why cause they had ford's name, so they wanted to put ALL OTHER AMERICAN MANUFACTURERS OUT OF BUSINESS and make tons of money from ford's name
WHICH company was helping the sleezy banker do this, FORD!
the sleezy bankers printed OUR money, but only for Ford, why is ford in the bed with bankers?
Good thing the Government stepped or Mustang GT would still be 300hp!
ihatecrackhead Well, first of all, bankers do not print money. Secondly, there were no bankers that crashed any economy, it was the socialist policies which forced banks to give loans to people who couldn't make payments and had no business in a house. Then government ratholes like Fannie Mae sold those bad loans and "securitized" them. Accompanied by the Fed holding interest rates artificially low, this crashed the economy.
Getting back to the subject of cars, Ford did not take the bailout money and GM did. It was my money that I worked hard for, 50 billion all told. Any company that makes the Pontiac Aztec SHOULD go bankrupt.
Wavestrike Electronics 10billions
i think you meant to say the mustang won.
Everyone complaining the the Camaro's tires from the ZL1 gave it an unfair advantage, yada yada yada, no, not at all.
Motor Trend was comparing two cars that were spec'd equally from the manufacturer. If Ford does not give the GT adequate tires, that is Ford's fault and problem, not Motor Trend's. Motor Trend is testing the cars as they came from the manufacturer. If Ford drops the ball, then that is why they lost.
In testing two performance cars, the Camaro wins based on the advantage given to it by Chevrolet.
that is so typical gm ppl ignorance,i wonder if u said the same if ford gave is so agresive tiers like on z28?i bet not
dont u wonder why they took thouse "performenc packs" - because normal ss lost even to last mustang model
one more thing ,ask your self about a detail that this annoying hipster mention:"is it posible that despite caling similar are aim at difrent targets?" for example fords pack is a sharper roud car and camaro pack makes it a track car?
before droping verdicts lets remember that boss 302 equvilalent (which will be the true track versin) is yet to come
Although your English is terrible, I will still correct your errors.
The SS and the GT are the equivalent cars, the Camaro had its 1LE package and the Mustang had its equivalent, therefore, the cars were matched as evenly as possible by their manufactures. You say "normal ss lost to even last mustang model," I say, prove it kid, you talk a lot.
Even if themustang have different targets, you saw the tests in this video, overall the Camaro was better everywhere. The fact that you say the Mustang is a "roud" car is irrelevant, because they tested the cars on a ROAD COURSE. Therefore, as you say, the mustang is set up as a road car, and the camaro as a track car, the camaro still one on the road course. The Boss 302 is Ford's attemp to compete with the ZL1, so there is no room for that argument here.
Class dismissed.
SonicDriver24
Although its a tube coment,full of shortcuts u nit pick...
gt500 was the one that WON with ZL1, whou do u kidding
1le felt beter on hard canion driving cuz of the same things that made it a track car
"roud car" as more comfortable more every day even randy said so.
u like a bling horse - just because MT compare them dosent mean they compeat with each other,ford moust sertanly never make it compeat witl 1le
"I say, prove it kid, you talk a lot." im a ford blocke we are men of our word unlike GM redneck liers
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camaro was not beter everywher ,they didnt even do so much in the reviev to call is everything,if any thing: THAT camaro is beter in performance driving than THAT mustnag
ford didnt give it sticky tires because they cost a ton and need constant replacing because they're so soft. camaro owners leave the dealership with a huge smile (after paying 2500$ more than a stang for virtually the same performance) then after a couple months of driving they're gonna say oh shit, these tires cost thousands and ill need new ones every few months. fuck.
SonicDriver24 how was it better everywhere? the mustang was faster in a straight line and had better interior, dramatically better gas mileage, etc. only thing the camaro had was slightly better track performance due to expensive race tires.
Of course Chevy for the win guys it's MotorTrend after all...
Yeah, I'm sure they biased their way into a better lap time
Motortrend is notorious ford fanboys
incase you haven't been watching in the last 5 years
So all they've managed to do with the 'Stang is make it uglier. Oh well. I'd have a Challenger over both of these anyway. If only they'd import them to the UK.
You're not an American, so no one gives a fuck what you think about American cars
Dr.Beef Thats got to be the dumbest thing I've heard this week.
Dr.Beef You, sir, are a moron.
is physically possible to drive a challenger in the UK? the car is pretty massive... and with that kind of engine displacement and weight the challenger has, how much will it cost to insure? (i'm asking as a north american resident wondering about the UK)
fabulousprofound Sure, it's possible. Plenty of massive cars on the roads in the UK. Insurance wouldn't be cheap, and neither would fuel costs. I'm mainly concerned about the LHD, though, as having the wheel on the correct side is pretty important with a performance car.
You guys yammer on about brembo this and sway bar that when in reality a handling test like this is just a tire comparo. A 4000 lbs car on super sticky tires, enjoy getting new tires every 500 miles for that extra 0.02 cornering G. I'm no mustang fanboy but I saw the newest and oldest camaro parked side by side and the new one looked like a double decker bus next to a miata and you STILL can't even see out of it.
LE1 vs base GT. No surprise there.
definetly agreed the GT cost alot because its new, better technology the interior but GT vs 1le package, the odds is in fords favor
gt had the track pack, not a base. The 1LE is a performance package which you can get on a base ss. But who cares about the performance packs, you're going to mod the car anyhow.
The GT has the Performance package just like the SS
Your an idiot the mustang in video was 46 grand compared to the 41grand camaro, and both cars have the track pack. Watch the video before posting stupid comments.
+thecamaro5 mustang has better interior hence the higher price. Get the better interior in the camaro and watch the price change. Or just live in a fanboy fantasy
Fail for Ford after all the hype.
Which hype are you reading into? This is the only negative review. The only one.
Its not even a negative review. Its a fail for Ford cause they cant beat a 2014 Chevy Camaro. Its not faster and it cant handle better with its 'hyped' IRS. With a new Camaro in the works I dont see how Ford can win this battle.
whiteandnerdytuba I'd say it's not even "negative". It's just not as positive as the review for the Camaro.
DevPack
this is a 2015 camaro
thelonelydirector
the tone is one i saw as negative, but i will give you that they are not just saying its horrible
One of the reasons I never liked the mustang was because it seems to fake and common when I would rank the Camaro on a BMW class ..
Why ??
Although the Camaro has nothing new to to its body look this year it still captures the attention of others .. Guesing that's why General Motors made more modifications mechanically instead of with the interior and exterior ..
By the way it's still perfect ..
Tino Miller boss 302 went toe to toe with an m car and won. Stop it.
Smackledorf Mcsween that was the drag ... But on the track the boss 302 will never see a Camaro on any day .. So please a drag race is nothing compared to a lap on the track ..
Someone just had a lucky take off on the start line ..
No it beat the m3 in everything. The funny part is, the camaro didn't beat the m3 in anything. Yet, it was better than the mustang. I'm through with the whole debate though. If you were given the choice between a 458 and a 1le, no trade in, no selling of one to buy multiples of the other- just one solid choice, which would it be, the ,1LE or the 458 and why?
Smackledorf Mcsween 1LE because GM worked on performance instead of style;in addition, the best camaro beat the GTR in a circuit race. Now image what the new a ZR1 and a ZO6 2015 corvette can do just saying bro.
Smackledorf Mcsween when you said 458 do you mean the Italia 458 or the BMW 458 ??
The camaro may be more fun to drive and faster around a race track, but the mustang is a much prettier car, more fuel efficient, faster in a straight line, and more technologically advanced.
technologically advanced?
Mustang connecting rods are sintered in a drybag(HIP) like a 1987 Ford Escort 1.9L
Ford has to order Drop Forged & ball Peen Forged rods from Manley to make a Boss or GT500 engine
V6 Camaro comes standard with Drop Forged & Ball Peen Forged rods, more powerful than a V8 mustang
you can swap in a Hotcam in a V8 camaro & get 525hp from one part.
You can order a Camaro with mild cam making 460hp
Ford won't allow a Mustang for testing against a camaro with a cam upgrade
People don't buy track ready cars bases on gas milage. That's the last thing on their mind. Both cars did 0-60 in 4.4 seconds. The Mustang was after by 1/10th of a second and 1.7 mph. Straight line driving is a small part of buyers expectations in high performance cars these day. I owned muscle cars in the 60's and then that was all that mattered. That doesn't cut it today.
Ron LHeureux
i cant wait to see what chevy has planned next for the camaro zl1 or camaro ss in the near future? 650hp zl1 same engine as corvette? ss gets z28 505 hp engine and z28 gets a cam upgrade and supercharger on top of that nasty 7.0 V8 it sounds so good! the z28 is real the best chevy car out so far and i even like it more than some corvettes. which is saying alot for camaro they have come so far....
I find it interesting that the camaro wins because it is a better track car, instead of whether or not it is better as an everyday car which is where is will always be. Same tires I bet they would have identical track times as well
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***** They're nearly the same in a straight line, it would be all about the driver in a race. The camaro won because of the huge, sticky tires.
*****
mustangs were always made to be modded
***** Most likely. Too bad ford only offers those tires which look like donuts compared to the camaro's.
don't go there man we all know mustangs break down a lot
What’s the name of this song?
The funny thing about looking At this is All It takes Is 5k in A 95 hatch to shit on both of these. =) Out of the 2 I'll take the stang anyday tho. Not saying suspension, isn't playing a big part but look A the tire difference no shit the camaro will handle better its on fucking radials. fail. lol Ps. Motor Trend that micro fabric suede like material is called alcantara. lol facepalm
i was going to say the same. i was annoyed how they didnt mention tires
Teh RedSpade Yup they did the same shit with the viper and the corvette zr1. lol Idk what the fuck it wrong with motor trend. I know there just testing them with how they come from fact with the performance packs but come one. Anyone that wants true test results want them on the same tires!
Funny you mention that I was searching for a 90s gt last week for a project. Alcantara is a brand name although it has become the ubiquitous term for synthetic suede.
so do you hate on everything besides rice burning civics?
Dylan Sumski You do know any car can be riced out right. lmfao
So, the SS 1LE is a better car than the Track Pack GT, for almost $5000 less. That the 'performance' iteration of the Mustang is so soft and lazy looking is disappointing. I think another interesting head-to-head, with lots of popular appeal, would be the V6 Camaro against the Ecoboost Mustang. As for the above models, though, the Camaro is clearly the one to get (its front end could use a refresh, though).
Where are you getting $5k less? They specifically said that the Mustang's Performance Package is $1k less than the Camaro's Track Package.
One is a car for the road, one is a car for the track. Which one do you think is actually better in the real world?
***** 02:00 in the video. You bring up a good point, however involuntarily - without the performance packages, the Camaro is an even better bargain of the two.
whiteandnerdytuba I'd rather have the one that's less fussy and more of a solid ride...and a (slightly) better performer (even on the curvy back roads). So, I'd rather have the Camaro. To each their own, of course.
Cerebral Method
*****
mustang gt starts at 32k and the camaro ss starts at 34k. the v6 camaro needs to battle the v6 mustang, the ecoboost mustang needs to battle chevys upcoming copycat 4 banger. on price i dont see the camaro as a bargain
How the fuck does Ford make a car so heavy and floppy at the same time? Shouldn't steel be more rigid? It also looks under sprung and dampened.
I still can't wait to drive one. I think the Camero is one of the ugliest cars Americans make. The Mustang and Challenger, on the other hand, both look fucking fantastic.
Seriously???
nam Hưng
I'm not sure what you mean. But yes, seriously. I'm just judging it on what I see in the video. As soon as the new Mustangs are available I'll rent one and do the Mt. Palomar hill climb here in California. I can't wait. Even if it's shitty, hill climbs in muscle cars are fucking fun.
nam Hưng seriously the camaro is dogshit ugly and played out
SpaceManDawn i completely agree, i love the challenger and Mustang. camaros are shitty lookin. only wins cause it turns in better
***** The looks are subjective, the handling is not. That's why the Camaro won.
I'm a CAR guy. Not an oval or bowtie guy. I like both...however, this review sounds REALLY biased...
Mustang looks modern, sleek, but still like a proper sports car. Camaro still looks like a caricature and like a 10 year old design. Reflector headlights and boring square non-led taillights. What is this, 2004? Yuck.
The Camaro has only been out 6 years.
It can't be old lol.
The RS package adds both LED tail and headlights. But they weigh more so they cut them out on the 1LE and Z/28 since they are meant to be track cars. At least know your opponent that you are being biased against before you insult it.
DiDurk Led taillights weigh more? Lol.
Nick Motsarsky the angel eye head lights.
Like what BMW uses.
Nick Motsarsky No, but the headlights do. And having LED headlights and Regular taillights wouldn't look good.
0.1sec is not winning, guaranteed most 6-speed drivers won't get 12.8 time after time and the LE1 will win some too.
But congrats on "beating" the LAST-gen Camaro in straight line ONLY, guess the whole IRS deal went to shit there & your cars is still ONLY better at what it could have done the old way.
Also good luck with the new Camaro SS & 1LE next year......remember the current top Camaro (Z/28) can take on Track Edition GTR's H2H, so better pray it doesn't loose some weight or it's over and y'all can really go after whatever other imaginary mustang vs German coupe comparo you want to make, because the Camaro will be out of reach to you.
#butthurt
BullrockMcHammergeil Yes, I'm hurt the Camaro won every test except one, be serious :P
Patrick Evidente Yeah, OK, whatever....
Patrick Evidente Time to go....
g00dl00kinb0i The SVT is rumored to pump out 730+hp and if handles as good as a 302 in 2012 then yeah I think you should probably be worried. And the Mustang kept up with a car that took it's performance amenities from a car that is twice as expensive. Also, I probably wouldn't take this video too seriously. They're pretty biased and they don't even try to hide it. So, in order to be fair, go check out other H2H's before you start ranting on UA-cam.
People talk shit on cars to much, pick the one you like, take fucking care of it, and it will last...
Yeah except that's not true at all
u r not living a life...u r in rush to complete life! mind it
MrPl0x
Personally I'm a Camaro guy, but I've driven a few of my friends mustangs as well as rode in them. Mustangs look great and perform great! I'm biased towards the Camaro, but the Mustang is still a great looking car that is awesome!
who cares?
bro you drive a v6 camaro a Camry s could beat you lol
+Anderson Lemus lol I actually drive a f430 spider as my weekend car and a bmw 335i as my dd
its nice to see someone appreciate both cars!
I like this guy. You are not that bowtie or die kind of Chevy person.
Can we stop being 5 years old fanboys and agree they both are great car. I've a 2015 GT Premium and I find the Camaro to be gorgeous and sometimes jealous of the sound although the 5.0 Coyote sound is nothing to be ashamed of.
+BrawndoScream they put hat same engine in the f150 , and oh god its awesome to listen to , and that truck imo is the best truck there is on the market right now, but both those cars ,are just great , altho I still favour the mustang , I give credit where credit is due
+BrawndoScream how much did you got your 2015 GT mustang ? and where are you from ?
Emily Dante I'm Canadian but live in Mexico. Manual 6 speed, Premium and 50th Years Anniversary Appearance Package was 578,000 MXN, roughly 35,000 US Dollars.
BrawndoScream well Brawndo i live in Italy im an Italien and i was wondering what the price of Ford Mustang GT 2015 ? Manaul Shift gear
sorry about my english
Emily Dante Ford Mustang Fastback 2.3 Ecoboost 314 CV: 36.000 euro
Ford Mustang Fastback 2.3 Ecoboost 314 CV Automatica: 38.000 euro
Ford Mustang Fastback 5.0 V8 TiVCT 418 CV: 41.000 euro
Ford Mustang Fastback 5.0 V8 TiVCT 418 CV Automatica : 43.000 euro
Ford Mustang Convertible 2.3 Ecoboost 314 CV: 40.000 euro
Ford Mustang Convertible 2.3 Ecoboost 314 CV Automatica: 42.000 euro
Ford Mustang Convertible 5.0 V8 TiVCT 418 CV: 45.000 euro
Ford Mustang Convertible 5.0 V8 TiVCT 418 CV Automatica : 47.000 euro
Both fast cars but the mustang looks a hell of a lot better.
6The6Devil6 ford ditched the boxy look....chevy is doing the same with the 16 camaro.
Mark01gt The mustang looks better than what? In my opinion the camaro looks ten times better than the ugly mustang! Hell the old 2013 mustang looks better then this thing! You are sure you wasn't drunk when you looked at the stang. If not time to update your eyeglass prescription!
smibru Lol sounds like a stupid reply considering looks are a matter of opinion. I wish the Camaro looked more like the Mustang.
smibru you sure you wasnt drunk? Who learned you how to spoke?
In fact, I did have a little too drink. What's your excuse, "Who learned you how to spoke?" You should keep you judgement to yourself and say it out loud so you can hear how you sound. This isn't the year 1913! LOL.
Has anyone noticed that the 1LE Camaro here just beat the time for the new BMW M4 (and also Lexus RCF). And here there are still people that think the M4 is faster than the Corvette.
Camaro 1LE - 1:22.81
BMW M4 - 1:23.73
Lexus RCF - 1:24.05
Mustang GT Track - 1:24.32
Problem with M4 is the instant torque of turbos. BMW didn't hold it back on that issue. Those SS tires can't put the power down in cornering. M4 is a drift machine.C&D where checking Z51 pack tires vs M4 and couldn't believe the difference at VIR.Both have SS but Vette run flats grip far greater. M4 power is very similar to Vette only comes in later in rpm.
It nudges the Corvette at peak delivery by a few horses and some tq on dyno.
M4 is more of a strait line car. Would be good race with DCT vs Vette Z51 with new auto.
Jeffrey Williams Randy (or any experienced driver) is good at feeding the throttle. If the M4 is tail happy it is likely due to suspension setup. Maybe it could use wider rear tires as well.
Adam S Rear chassis is very stiff. It's bolted in without bushing if I'm not mistaken.Very little flex is in the rear because this. Could be a reason but this drift machine need some R tires or Cup2 for cornering.
Jeffrey Williams Yes a stiff rear end will make a car prone to oversteer. Despite being FWD the Fiesta ST will oversteer sometimes because they set the rear end so stiff (which is why its so fun).
You can still lose
Motortrend has always humped Chevy leg.
Numbers don't lie
+Ernesto look at the engine sizes... It's kinda sad that a 6.2 is just a little better then a 5.0. So first of all the numbers don't even match to begin with.
Whist like your gay ford father
Tristen Martin Well, considering the external dimensions of the 5.0L is bigger than a big block Hemi, I would say that it is a fair comparison as they are also running quadruple the camshafts and double the valves.
Chase M Very very well said. It's not talked about but GM is a very large contributor to Motortrend.....
2015 Muscle Car Appearance's
Mustang>Corvette>Challenger>Charger>Camaro
This is my opinion, not yours, but feel free to express yours
Randy Barley I'm a Camaro guy but I think I like the mustang's look just on teeny bit better. However My list is
CorvetteZ06 > Mustang(JUST BARELY) > Camaro > Charger > Challenger.
I really just like what chevy has done to the corvette, But that may be because it reminds me of some european sports cars.
Randy Barley For me it's Mustang, Charger, Corvette, Challenger, Camaro. If you want to count the Viper it would be no. 1 by far though. Especially if we are talking the new ACR.
Mine is Corvette> Challenger> Camaro> Charger = Mustang
Randy Barley I wouldn't put it at the bottom, but yeah, I def. am not as much of a fan of it as I am the Mustang, the new Mustang looks Niiiiiiice. I'm actually not a fan of the C7 either, IMO the C6 looked a hell of a lot better. Think I'd have an ordering similar to yours but would be:
Mustang>Challenger>Camaro>Corvette>Charger
Randy Barley in my opinion it would go
corvette,camaro,mustang,challenger,charger
Before getting my 2015 car* I compared prices, comfort, handling, speed and overall feel of all 3 pony cars... Needless to say, I went with the camaro😎👌🏼 .. Better handling than challenger and mustangs, better feel of the engine as I take control of the streets from my hands on the steering wheel, and that sounds everyone seems to love . Happy camaro owner! 👌🏼
Any issues with it after 3 years? Any opinion?
The one negative I give the Mustang is the exhaust note. It's like they wanted to quiet it as if it was competing for luxury points. Mustangs need to roar!
Eric West You need to go sit in one. The 2015 GT sounds like my 2011GT, but my GT has the Ford Racing axle-back exhaust. It sounds good stock, and is about as loud as my buddies 2014 1LE with performance exhaust.
I did and it wasn't as strong as the 04 Mach 1 I used to own. It sounded nice but wasn't as gutteral. Hard to explain without comparing it to Mach 1 (2004).
Eric West exhaust note had to be neutered to comply with euro noise regs. Theres a reason why 2015 GTs are gaining 30 rwhp from exhausts.
ForTehNguyen
The gt350 is way better :)
Here's what bugs me about this comparison, I'm a Ford guy, but Chevy got it right. They delivered a purpose built track car that is relatively affordable. They got it. Straight line performance is too one dimensional for today's market. Ford has this phenomenal engine and they keep missing the mark on the chassis. Make it stick in the turns. The technology is there, but I think Ford doesn't really care at the moment. It's like they gave us the IRS just to keep us quiet. I'm still on the fence about the looks too.
u got it wrong...it was the same story with last gen
gt with PP was for light duty racing and brakes upgrades for the roud
track version was the boos302 and we all know what that did to chevys...
Not sure what you're saying I got wrong.
skooli2 ask your self what dose MT knows?are thouse rly comparble only cuz MT compared them?
PP on mustnag is aimed at difrent porpose than 1le - u can see it in the price,i went to site of ford and gm and base stang gt with PP is 2,5k less than base 1le
u said gm delivered purpose built track - ye they did, but that mustang is not its competitor
last generation GT compeat with ss,1le with boss302,gt500 with zl1 and all was right in the world
that irs is all all ready over 3 sec faster on this track with same driver than last generation
gm cars are fast on the track because of whide sticky tiers and hard shocks and its the same thign that makes them worst on the bumpy roud
For the moment, the car that Ford gave for the test is the closest they can get to the 1LE. Ford has not built, nor have they mentioned building, another Boss 302 (which by the way, was much more expensive than the 1LE). As I said in my original post, Ford doesn't really seem to care at the moment.
***** you, sir, have not driven a camaro ss 1le. These cars cost about 40000.00$ but also feel like 40000.00$. Compared to the gt on a track...no comparison. The 1le doesn't really even feel like a camaro on the track! It feels like a smooth roller-coaster ride that you get to control....very track designed but full of forgiveness. .
Motor trend isn't biased with Chevrolet. Chevrolet just make better cars than ford does. Enough said :)
Ford Mustang my favourite car!
Put the the same shocks, sway bar and tires on the Mustang,as on the Camaro. The Mustang wins. Remember the Camaro performance package is $1000.00 more than the Mustang. Add a $1000.00 dollars more to Mustangs performance package making it dollar for dollar equal.
put the new gen camaro up against the new gen mustang and see what happens...6 year old car beat the brand new mustang...just wait and see what the 300lb lighter, lt1 powered, great chassis is gonna do to the mustang
Dylan Sumski
honestly with every year the camaro's been in production they've been getting better each year. This is the first year for the 15 so give it some time. I personally dont like the 15 and if have to decide between the 15 stang and 15 camaro i would choose the camaro, but luckily i still have my 13 5.0 for daily and my 11 c6 for the weekends :)
tomnguyen717 the '13-'14 mustangs look so good, why did they change it so quickly to something so inferior looking?
i have no idea bro, this will be my last mustang. i got my eye on the ford gt for my next ride :)
Boosting Stangs BUT THEY DIDNT PUT ALL THAT ON THE SHITSTANG SO STFU
I would still take the GT. Better interior and the looks are to die for.
I just love how descriptive Randy is when reviewing cars' performance and feel. It feels like I'm sitting next to him at every turn. Love it!
Camaro Vs Mustang
Which one is better?
Which ever one your heart falls for
.... Hopefully that will be a camaro
Ordered 2016 Mustang GT Premium Race Red, 4 weeks ago, expected delivery mid-December. CAN'T WAIT!
Would love to see an updated matchup of the newest versions of these cars!
***** That would be a battle of two different class. Regardless, it would still be interesting.
Hi it's me from the future.
Camaro still won.... That is all.
My Ford Focus what absolutely demolish both cars combined.
1. I doubt that. 2. If someone were to spend 60k in upgrades in a Focus, and race it against a stock Mustang, obviously it'd win. Fit both with the same upgrades, and the Mustang would blow the Focus to another world.
+PancakeInsomnia he could be joking you know
How stupid can you sound Chevy will always kick a punk ass Ford
Ceritfied Kernel dude both are equally good at their things, at the end of the day both are great cars
Yo-No But Chevies are always better end of discussion
I'm a mustang guy, but I'm buying a Camaro SS. ;)
what year?
Makes no sense at all if your A mustang guy
I'm more of a Mustang guy. but I respect the Camaro to the highest degree still. The Camaro performs better, but I just love character and look of Mustangs more so. plus Mustang was my first car xD
Camaro is for people who want more than just .1 faster in the quarter mile.
Yes, for .02 g's in lateral grip...
It edged out the stang with what .02 on the skid pad? You people who argue over this shit are just stupid. When it comes down to that little it no longer becomes about the car. It is now a drivers race. 99% of people who own these cars will not see the times these pro drivers are putting up.
This years Camaro and Mustang is all about personal preference. If you really think stock times matter then you aren't a real sports car person. If your mustang or camaro stays stock for longer than a month your doing it wrong. I could buy that stang buy some nicer tires, and 1 bolt on and be faster than the camaro in every category, that is how close it is. Hell i may not even need the bolt on, the tested tired on the stang are not as good as the camaros.
To me the Mustang wins mostly because the interior. It is so much nicer inside and you can actually see out of it! The Camaro feels cheap. You cant see shit out of the small windshield and the A pillars are massive! Not a good combo for a car your doing 100+ on the track in.
Seriously though, the people who get all mad and verbally assault others over track time are just sad. It is all about having fun with what you choose and respecting others choices.
joe bob Thank you. Couldn't have said it better.
But when they actually go to the track, they won't get that time anyway
joe bob let the truth be told!
This is one exciting video, keep it up MotorTrend!